Heisman Trophy

[grayowl60]

I would like to know how I can E mail the "Downwntown Athletic club" and suggest where they can stick the trophy. Who was the best player on the field.:mad:

[ACM Dad]

Best overall QB performance I think I've ever seen.

[CyFallsMom]

They even gave it to the wrong player on the USC team - Vince made them look like kids playing on the sandlot!!

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Instant Classic

[toonman]

Yep - If anyone sees Reggie Bush, give him Vince Young's address, so Reggie can mail the Heisman Trophy to Vince.

[KT2000]

Reggie can keep it. It's a hype award and Bush won that particular race based on two games (Fresno and UCLA) against sub-standard defenses.

VY took the Maxwell Award and I think it's a better award because it's not as effected by hype like the Heisman. The Maxwell recognizes the overall MVP, and there can be no doubt that is Vince Young.

[Drake]

In defense of the Heisman voters...

(1) They had not seen last night's performance by Vince Young (or Reggie Bush) at the time they were required to vote. (2) Reggie Bush has played fantastically all season and had one of the greatest individual performances of all time just before the end of the regular season and the vote. (3) Vince Young threw a (relative to other VY performances) clunker versus Texas A&M with the whole country watching right before the vote...

Where's the OBJECTIVITY on this board? :D

[Tut]

Best overall QB performance I think I've ever seen.
I've seen others...VY against Katy...VY against Michigan.
The Heisman is just a hyped up, lobbied award which is decided by who gets the most national publicity.

[KT2000]

Before Reggie Bush's last two games, he'd only gone over 150 yards rushing in two other games. Vince Young was the favorite to win the Heisman until Bush ran for 290 yards in a 50-42 win over Fresno State when Texas had a bye week. All we saw on TV after that were Bush highlight reels and how he was the most complete running back ever. Bush had four games in the regular season where he had a minimal impact overall. VY's only real bad game came against A&M. The entire team was in a funk that game, especially the defense.

There's no way anyone can objectively say Bush was 700 votes better than VY even before the Rose Bowl. That's both ridiculous and laughable in my opinion.

[Drake]

The Heisman is just a hyped up, lobbied award which is decided by who gets the most national publicity.Yeah, I agree... Our man didn't get it so lets demean it...

[Drake]

There's no way anyone can objectively say Bush was 700 votes better than VY even before the Rose Bowl. That's both ridiculous and laughable in my opinion.I saw the vote totals in the paper... I can OBJECTIVELY and CONFIDENTLY say he was 700 votes better, just like I can suredly say UT was 3 points better last night...

[dragonfootballfan]

Bush is not even the best player on southern cal. It was evidence by the fact that when the game was on the line he was not on the field.

[Favpack]

Huge mistake - Bush is in the game there, even as a decoy - flank him out and Huff might not make the crashing stuff play.

[Tut]

Yeah, I agree... Our man didn't get it so lets demean it...
I've been saying this for many years. The Heisman is overated.

[KT2000]

I've said the same things about the Heisman ever since I saw Oregon unveil that huge color banner on the side of a downtown New York City building (in Times Square) advertising Joey Harrington as a Heisman candidate. A great way to spend your university funds. I'm sure the non-football programs on campus desperate for cash appreciated that.

[wide-e-wide]

I saw the vote totals in the paper... I can OBJECTIVELY and CONFIDENTLY say he was 700 votes better, just like I can suredly say UT was 3 points better last night...


You are either...legally blind...or smoking crack...I can't figure out which one...

And I am not demeaning the Heisman...They made it a joke a long time ago.
Every now and then they get it right.....but this year they were waaaaay off.

And 3 points? Does it freakin' matter?

3 points...30 points...300 points..........it's still a win.....
Now who is trying to demean something?

[Drake]

I've said the same things about the Heisman ever since I saw Oregon unveil that huge color banner on the side of a downtown New York City building (in Times Square) advertising Joey Harrington as a Heisman candidate. A great way to spend your university funds. I'm sure the non-football programs on campus desperate for cash appreciated that.On the other hand, the exposure may be a roundabout and legal way to promote your football program to recruits. Building a state-of-the-art weightroom may seem like a misappropriation to some non-football programs as well, but it's really not for us to judge how to best spend someone else's money...

Regardless, the way the Heisman winner is selected hasn't changed drastically through the years. It's the country's highest individual athletic award and it is voted upon primarily by the sports media. As such, it is naturally going to receive more hype and the results will always be subjective... I doubt there are very many voters that take their votes lightly and I'm sure they all have access to all the information needed to form an insightful opinion and DO NOT rely on billboards, TV time, or hype to come to their conclusions. Wouldn't you agree?

[Drake]

You are either...legally blind...or smoking crack...I can't figure out which one...I see... We don't agree so I must be impaired? Thats familiar reasoning. Its just like the people saying since VY didn't win the Heisman, the Heisman is irrelevant.

[KT2000]

I agree that the voters must be insightful and take things seriously, but I also know hype has to play a big role as well. The sports media wouldn't stay afloat if it didn't. All you have to do is look at the type of people they hire now. Stephen A. Smith's and Skip Bayless's of the world.

The voters come from all over the country, and like us, they are influenced by what they read and see on TV because they can't be at every game. This year, we had the majority saying Bush was "clearly" the best player in the country and should win the Heisman after his teammate Leinart did the year before. We saw Reggie's high school highlight reel and side by side video of he and Gayle Sayers. Marcus Allen even read us a Rudyard Kipling poem during a Reggie highlight video segment.

Hardly balanced coverage of the candidates and the Heisman votes reflected that. I don't think a lot of people in the country thought highly of Texas this year after Mack Brown supposedly "lobbied" Texas' way into the BCS last year. It turns out that was the correct decision after all with what happened to Cal against Tech, but people overlooked that anyway and made Brown out to be the bad guy.

Hype plays a huge role in the selection in my opinion. Some years it doesn't matter because there is a consensus "best" player. That wasn't the case this year. We had three guys who all had a legit claim to the trophy, and neither was 700 votes better than the other in my opinion.

[bullrock]

Strake,
You have to be one of the most liberal, Californian living in Texas acting posters on this board! If you think Bush was the better athlete answer this. How many offensive snaps was Young not involved in last night? How many offensive sets did Bush miss? I don't think you have a case. I was not a big VY fan until last night. I'm not sure I am today, but what I am is a media, California hatin' poster who got a belly full of Bush, USC, Lienart the last month and I love the results of last nights game. Call it poetic justice. UT not only had to beat the Men of Troy, they had to take on the entire national media! Now since they were so sure (the media) of a trojan victory (they were wrong), how do they have any credibility when it comes to choosing the heisman? I really don't care who won it. I just think all the hype they put on Bush set him up for failure and he couldn't do anything about it. That's what the sports writers have given to this years heisman winner.

[Ailani]

Before Reggie Bush's last two games, he'd only gone over 150 yards rushing in two other games. Vince Young was the favorite to win the Heisman until Bush ran for 290 yards in a 50-42 win over Fresno State when Texas had a bye week. All we saw on TV after that were Bush highlight reels and how he was the most complete running back ever. Bush had four games in the regular season where he had a minimal impact overall. VY's only real bad game came against A&M. The entire team was in a funk that game, especially the defense.

There's no way anyone can objectively say Bush was 700 votes better than VY even before the Rose Bowl. That's both ridiculous and laughable in my opinion.


I couldn't have said it better. VY also had a 500 yd game. He also beat a big time opponent on the road. I don't dispute Bush winning. I dispute his winning by 700 votes.

[wide-e-wide]

I see... We don't agree so I must be impaired? Thats familiar reasoning. Its just like the people saying since VY didn't win the Heisman, the Heisman is irrelevant.


No you're impaired because you cannot see what is right in front of you...
And the Heisman winner is irrelevant...USC had two of them on the field last night....How much good did it do them???

I'm cool with Bush receiving the Heisman......but not by 700 points...
and I think if it were handed out today.....it would be the other way around.

[Drake]

I agree, none of the three are convincingly better players than the other two. Leinhart was just as fantastic as Young last night and would be MVP had USC held on...

But a 700 vote win does say something because it wasn't a caucus vote... Each voter voted for the one they thought most deserved the award without knowing how the rest of the voters were voting, and Bush won in a landslide... That means an overwhelming amount of voters thought he was the best collegiate player. If the Heisman winner is selected in such a subjective manner, doesn't a landslide vote overwhelmingly confirm Bush as the best player as opposed to tarnishing the selection process?

I hear what your saying but am just not grasping how the selection process is tarnished because the results weren't as close as the player's skill level or value to their respective teams?

We don't invalidate the Miss America winner just because the first runner-up was just as pretty....

Is Ronald Reagan's 49 state win in 1984 less valid because common sense tells us he couldn't have been that much better of a candidate than Walter Mondale? (okay, bad example ;))

[wide-e-wide]

Leinhart was just as fantastic as Young last night

Now I know you're smoking crack.
Dude....did you watch the same game as the rest of us?....Or did you watch a game on ESPN classic or something?

just as fantastic......?

If anybody from USC deserved MVP...it was Lendale White...not Leinart...or Bush.

[Drake]

No you're impaired because you cannot see what is right in front of you...No, you personally attack me because you and I disagree and you are intolerant of those that have opinions different than your own... Just like you did in the previous post too... There's a word for that...

[Tut]

[QUOTE=StrakeDrake]We don't invalidate the Miss America winner just because the first runner-up was just as pretty.... [QUOTE]
Good comparison!! Don't you think the three are equally lovely?:D

[wide-e-wide]

No, you personally attack me because you and I disagree and you are intolerant of those that have opinions different than your own... There's a word for that...


Negative.....I tolerate idiots all the time. You are no different...I will treat you the same as I treat all the rest of them. To me...you are all equally worthless.

[KT2000]

Everybody just chill out.

/willferrell "We have to keep our composure!"

Leinart played one hell of a second half. He was on fire. Very ordinary in the first half, and was lucky not to have the second INT tacked on.

LenDale White would have been my game MVP had USC held on to win though. We stopped him short of five years maybe two or three times. Thank goodness one of those was on that 4th and 2.

[Drake]

Negative.....I tolerate idiots all the time. You are no different...I will treat you the same as I treat all the rest of them. To me...you are all equally worthless.Wide... I'm sorry you feel that way...