Region 1 District Picks & Analysis Posted

[ktchamp97]

Region 1 District Picks & Analysis (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/2009%20Gridiron%20Guide/gg_09Reg1distprev.htm) now posted!

What do you think?

[Bass]

Edit: I need a better first post than that.

Finally! ;)

I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.

[Prep Ticket]

Very well done! You guys have really done your homework, nice find on Andrew Hogan at Keller. That's a name that most people outside of that area haven't heard of but i think he will be a dominant player at linebacker for the next couple of years.

[ktchamp97]

Very well done! You guys have really done your homework, nice find on Andrew Hogan at Keller. That's a name that most people outside of that area haven't heard of but i think he will be a dominant player at linebacker for the next couple of years.
Thanks, that means a lot coming from y'all.

But, most of the credit goes to the coaches in this region who were OUTSTANDING in terms of responding to our request for information. The level of participation we got out of Region 1 was far and away better than any other region. :notworthy

[Bass]

Is Region 2 close to being finished, as well?

[ktchamp97]

Is Region 2 close to being finished, as well?
chill is hard at work putting the finishing touches on it...but it could still be a couple of hours.

[Bass]

chill is hard at work putting the finishing touches on it...but it could still be a couple of hours.

Good enough for me, but I'll be happy no matter when it comes out. I'ma go watch Fargo. Let's see which is done first... :laugh

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Great work, Guys!!! I know I will be referring back to this thread for info in the coming months.

[tjw]

Great analysis and love the write ups for each team. Seems to be right on with each team. ;)

[E-Vol-ution]

Great work Gents............the complaint committee will comment later of course.:notworthy

[mad_fan]

'gaudy'???
Not an adjective I would use...but it's your writeup...
There's a lot of coaching experience and success in the Davis family...and we wish Brent the best...he's got his hands full taking over the winless Bobcats...and in 2-5A...

Hope things work out better than his last foray into 5A football...

Breaking down his gaudy .635 career winning percentage...
1995-1997 Banquete (2A) 20-11-1 .625
1998-2001 Sinton (3A) 43-9 .827
2002-2004 The Colony (5A) 7-24 .226
2005-2008 Alice (4A) 31-13 .704

umm...when I look at it this way...gaudy might well be the correct adjective...

[farmerfan]

Good stuff guys. Very good stuff. My only gripe would be how I am sick and tired of hearing that the only reason Carroll has lost lately is due to injuries. We are now getting it out of the admins as well as some of their posters. They are too proud of a prgoram for that to be mentioned. There were teams they played during their run who were suffering through some injuries but we never heard 'Carroll won a close game against an injury depleted team' in fact they had many posters who would get butt hurt if that was even mentioned.. Its a slap in the face to those teams who have busted their butt and had enough to beat the Dragons to suggest injuries were the reason why.
Once again though, very well done and great job on the writeups.

[DrEdward]

Good stuff guys. Very good stuff. My only gripe would be how I am sick and tired of hearing that the only reason Carroll has lost lately is due to injuries. We are now getting it out of the admins as well as some of their posters. They are too proud of a prgoram for that to be mentioned. There were teams they played during their run who were suffering through some injuries but we never heard 'Carroll won a close game against an injury depleted team' in fact they had many posters who would get butt hurt if that was even mentioned.. Its a slap in the face to those teams who have busted their butt and had enough to beat the Dragons to suggest injuries were the reason why.
Once again though, very well done and great job on the writeups.

farmer, Carroll has had more injuries to key players in the past two seasons than TD experienced during his entire tenure at Carroll. There is simply no denying that observation. The most blatantly obvious include losing Riley against Abilene two years ago and Padron last season, but there were several others on both sides of the ball. Any serious Carroll fan, even those of us with green blood (at least on Friday nights) cannot reasonably assert that the injury factor is the sole reason behind the Dragons's performance over the last two seasons. In particular for the performance last season. Many of us have stated that the skill level last season was not what it had been during the 5A run up unto that point. Certainly not that the boys weren't good players, just not what we had been blessed with previously.

I don't see the referenced Region 1 write-up making the claim that injuries were the only factor in the relative decline last season (or the previous one). Their causal attribution is to "A combination of youth and injuries." Mainly that they expect this year's version of the Dragon's to be improved over last year's. In that, I think they are correct.

In any event, kudos for the write up KTs.

[LION57]

chill is hard at work putting the finishing touches on it...but it could still be a couple of hours.
That sure is an extremely long couple of hours?:):):notworthy:cool:

[farmerfan]

farmer, Carroll has had more injuries to key players in the past two seasons than TD experienced during his entire tenure at Carroll. There is simply no denying that observation. The most blatantly obvious include losing Riley against Abilene two years ago and Padron last season, but there were several others on both sides of the ball. Any serious Carroll fan, even those of us with green blood (at least on Friday nights) cannot reasonably assert that the injury factor is the sole reason behind the Dragons's performance over the last two seasons. In particular for the performance last season. Many of us have stated that the skill level last season was not what it had been during the 5A run up unto that point. Certainly not that the boys weren't good players, just not what we had been blessed with previously.

I don't see the referenced Region 1 write-up making the claim that injuries were the only factor in the relative decline last season (or the previous one). Mainly that they expect this year's version of the Dragon's to be improved over last year's. In that, I think they are correct.

In any event, kudos for the write up KTs.

I say injuries because that is all we have heard from a lot Carroll poster now. They did not want to hear it from fans of teams from 02-06 that were suffering from injuries and now it just seems that the only reason Carroll has now lost a game is because of injuries. Football is a rough sport, injuries are apart of the game. You play with what you have and do your best and leave nothing behind and when the game is over you dont make excuses. It seems all we have heard is that things would have been different had Padron or Riley not gotten hurt. I guess Trinity could say the same back in 06 with Shannon Moore, Katy in 05 with Dalton, Lufkin in 05 with Claybon and the list goes on. But you never heard a big deal made about those. I made my comment because of this part in the District 6-5A write up
A combination of youth and injuries last led to a 3-2 district record and a second round playoff exit
I guess Hebron should put an * next to their district title and that Cedar Hill should do the same with their area championship.

[DrEdward]

I say injuries because that is all we have heard from pretty much every Carroll poster now. They did not want to hear it from fans of teams from 02-06 that were suffering from injuries and now it just seems that the only reason Carroll has now lost a game is because of injuries. Football is a rough sport, injuries are apart of the game. You play with what you have and do your best and leave nothing behind and when the game is over you dont make excuses. It seems all we have heard is that things would have been different had Padron or Riley not gotten hurt. I guess Trinity could say the same back in 06 with Shannon Moore, Katy in 05 with Dalton, Lufkin in 05 with Claybon and the list goes on. But you never heard a big deal made about those. I made my comment because of this part in the District 6-5A write up

I guess Hebron should put an * next to their district title and that Cedar Hill should do the same with their area championship.

If that's what you want to believe that Carroll fans believe, I guess there is nothing I can say that will alter your perception, since you know that I do not believe such. But no one here is trying to put down anyone other team's achievements. And once again, the KT boys do not state that Carroll's performance was solely or even mostly attributable to injuries.

[farmerfan]

If that's what you want to believe that Carroll fans believe, I guess there is nothing I can say that will alter your perception, since you know that I do not believe such. But no one here is trying to put down anyone other team's achievements. And once again, the KT boys do not state that Carroll's performance was solely or even mostly attributable to injuries.

The KT's mentioned injuries as a reason to Carroll going 3-2 in district. Youth and injuries. Not the fact that Carroll was in a tough district or that Hebron and Coppell had pretty good teams. They said youth and injuries are what led to a 3-2 record. Other posters have stated numerous times that Carroll lost games because of injuries. It was just stated this past week on a thread by a Carroll poster with Padron playing in the Bayou Bowl that "people now know what we mean when we say our season was cut short because of injuries" That isn't word for word what was said but it gets to the point of what was stated. Once again Doc, what is one to take from this comment right here
A combination of youth and injuries last led to a 3-2 district record and a second round playoff exit

[kbarj]

Just checked the Region 1 analysis. For me, it was a blast from the past. Back in the pre-5A days, my school was in Region 1, District 1 (still is, but still 4A). Darned if Coronado (not my school) isn't kicking butt still. Now I follow Region 4, but this is cool.

Good stuff, guys. This gives me fodder for conversation with old buds back in EP.

[bigdaddydog]

The KT's mentioned injuries as a reason to Carroll going 3-2 in district. Youth and injuries. Not the fact that Carroll was in a tough district or that Hebron and Coppell had pretty good teams. They said youth and injuries are what led to a 3-2 record. Other posters have stated numerous times that Carroll lost games because of injuries. It was just stated this past week on a thread by a Carroll poster with Padron playing in the Bayou Bowl that "people now know what we mean when we say our season was cut short because of injuries" That isn't word for word what was said but it gets to the point of what was stated. Once again Doc, what is one to take from this comment right here

Nice detailed writup KTs!! Good Job.

To not mention injuries along with other factors, especially when they are to key players would make them deralict in their duties to write the truth. I have to agree with you on how is reflects on the other teams in the district. IT is a fine line that the KT will get better at. The youth part can be overcome but the injury thing is often up to a higher power.

Pushing through and overcoming injuries are what makes some seasons and acheivements so special. Last year for Allen, 2006 for SLC, 2003 for Katy.

I can only imagine what a poster named farmerfan would have said about the comment if it had been said about Plano??? :eek:

A combination of youth and injuries last year led to a 3-2 district record and a second round playoff exit.



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[JagFan]

Good job. And yes Sumpter is moving back to his natural position as OLB from last year. Our Linebackers will be a tough group.

I hope we will be as good as you have projected and make the playoffs. This team is young and inexperienced but they have better chemistry than last years team. IMO

Our running game will be fine with Hunter Lee (JR) being a second year starter.

How did SLC get half a kid in enrollment? 5. Southlake Carroll (2544.5)

[JagFan]

Just checked the Region 1 analysis. For me, it was a blast from the past. Back in the pre-5A days, my school was in Region 1, District 1 (still is, but still 4A). Darned if Coronado (not my school) isn't kicking butt still. Now I follow Region 4, but this is cool.

Good stuff, guys. This gives me fodder for conversation with old buds back in EP.

Coach Don Brooks is still the coach at EP Coronado. 31 years:eek:

[farmerfan]

Nice detailed writup KTs!! Good Job.

To not mention injuries along with other factors, especially when they are to key players would make them deralict in their duties to write the truth. I have to agree with you on how is reflects on the other teams in the district. IT is a fine line that the KT will get better at. The youth part can be overcome but the injury thing is often up to a higher power.

Pushing through and overcoming injuries are what makes some seasons and acheivements so special. Last year for Allen, 2006 for SLC, 2003 for Katy.

I can only imagine what a poster named farmerfan would have said about the comment if it had been said about Plano??? :eek:





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I dont want to come across as being ungrateful or too critical of the KT's, they did an excellent job with their writeups.
It's just all we have been led to believe over the last two years is that the only reason Carroll lost was because of injuries. Not all their posters are guilty of this but a lot of them are. The admins mentioned injuries twice in this writeup for Carroll.
The first being what I have pointed out already and the second being this one
Carroll will feature one of the nastiest defenses in the state and with better luck on the injury front they should improve offensively as well
I guess the only reason Hebron and Coppell and Cedar Hill really did defeat Carroll had to do with injuries.
If it were Plano they said this about then my tone would probably be much nicer ;):D

[JagFan]

I don't want to sound stupid but how and what are the offense efficiency and defense efficiency adjustments on the side of each district write ups?

[Bass]

I don't want to sound stupid but how and what are the offense efficiency and defense efficiency adjustments on the side of each district right ups?


I'm glad someone finally took the plunge.

[kbarj]

I don't want to sound stupid but how and what are the offense efficiency and defense efficiency adjustments on the side of each district write ups?

Put me down for a "me too" here. I assumed it was some kind of rating based on number of scores per possession (offense) and number of stops per possessions, but hadn't figured it out yet.

[JagFan]

Good now I don't feel so silly. ;)

[brodyboy]

Misprint on Cedar Hill's 2008 record. They were 12-2 and 6-0.

[ktchamp97]

Wow, I wasn't expecting that one line from the Carroll writeup to cause so much of a stir. I thought it was pretty obvious that they had injuries and that they were young. It certainly wasn't meant as a slight to other programs. I guess I can see how it might be taken that way, but that's not what was intended. I was basically just talking about Carroll, and Carrroll alone. Staying healthy is a key for any team...everyone deals with injuries, but sometimes you get a bit unlucky and have a top player or two go down. The next time around, you hope those things don't happen. That's all.

[ktchamp97]

The Offensive and Defensive Efficiency numbers are something I came up with as an alternative to Points Per Game and Points Allowed Per Game to give a better idea of how good a team's offense or defense is.

Say your team averaged 35 points per game...pretty good right? Well, what if those 35 ppg were scored against crappy defenses that gave up an average of 29 points per game? That would produce an Adjusted Offensive Efficiency score of +6. Still pretty good, but not as good as 35 ppg looks on the surface. Another team may "only" average 31 ppg, but they played against defenses that gave up an average of just 20 points per game, resulting in an Adjusted Offensive Efficiency of +11. That offense would rank pretty highly.

The same principles apply to the defensive scoring numbers, just in reverse.

Take note of the correlation between Adjusted Defensive Efficiency and a team's district ranking (from last year)...it's pretty eye-opening.

[JagFan]

The Offensive and Defensive Efficiency numbers are something I came up with as an alternative to Points Per Game and Points Allowed Per Game to give a better idea of how good a team's offense or defense is.

Say your team average 35 points per game...pretty good right? Well, what if those 35 ppg were scored against crappy defenses that gave up an average of 29 points per game? That would produce an Adjusted Offensive Efficiency score of +6. Still pretty good, but not as good as 35 ppg looks on the surface. Another team may "only" average 31 ppg, but they played against defenses that gave up an average of just 20 points per game, resulting in an Adjusted Offensive Efficiency of +11. That offense would rank pretty highly.

The same principles apply to the defensive scoring numbers, just in reverse.

Take note of the correlation between Adjusted Defensive Efficiency and a team's ranking...it's pretty eye-opening.

Thank you :) It makes sense now.

[Bass]

The Offensive and Defensive Efficiency numbers are something I came up with as an alternative to Points Per Game and Points Allowed Per Game to give a better idea of how good a team's offense or defense is.

Say your team average 35 points per game...pretty good right? Well, what if those 35 ppg were scored against crappy defenses that gave up an average of 29 points per game? That would produce an Adjusted Offensive Efficiency score of +6. Still pretty good, but not as good as 35 ppg looks on the surface. Another team may "only" average 31 ppg, but they played against defenses that gave up an average of just 20 points per game, resulting in an Adjusted Offensive Efficiency of +11. That offense would rank pretty highly.

The same principles apply to the defensive scoring numbers, just in reverse.

Take note of the correlation between Adjusted Defensive Efficiency and a team's district ranking (from last year)...it's pretty eye-opening.

That makes a lot of sense; excellent addition to the Guide.

[jgmike101]

What's taking region 2 so long

[DragonBand06]

I guess the only reason Hebron and Coppell and Cedar Hill really did defeat Carroll had to do with injuries.
Pretty much. I think all dragon fans agree with me when I say that every year we have far and away the best team; it's just a combination of injuries to all our best players and the refs blowing calls against us that causes us to lose games. In fact, if it were called fairly and there were no injuries, we wouldn't have lost a game in 5A yet. In other news, we just signed Jesus to the QB position this year, and Superman as starting MLB. And they're both taking steroids. :rolleyes:

[mad_fan]

Wow, I wasn't expecting that one line from the Carroll writeup to cause so much of a stir. I thought it was pretty obvious that they had injuries and that they were young. It certainly wasn't meant as a slight to other programs. I guess I can see how it might be taken that way, but that's not what was intended. I was basically just talking about Carroll, and Carrroll alone. Staying healthy is a key for any team...everyone deals with injuries, but sometimes you get a bit unlucky and have a top player or two go down. The next time around, you hope those things don't happen. That's all.

farmer couldn't resist turning it into another SLC thread...:rolleyes:
btw...I've tried using that 'injury defense' in the last couple of years...;)

[DrEdward]

farmer couldn't resist turning it into another SLC thread...:rolleyes:
btw...I've tried using that 'injury defense' in the last couple of years...;)

We will have to wait to see if the injury comments are only made relative to Carroll's changes or could other teams be effected as well. The drama awaits. :D:eek:

[farmerfan]

We will have to wait to see if the imjury comments are only made relative to Carroll's changes or could other teams be effected as well. The drama awaits. :D:eek:

Honestly Doc, every team goes through injuries over the course of a season. I have just never seen it discussed and used as an excuse as I have seen the last two years by some of the strongest Dragon supporters on this board. It just seems that with some of the Carroll fans they think they are the only ones who have suffered trhough or been effected by injuries. So yes I guess the drama does await, if Carroll wins district its because they have higher standards and work harder. If Carroll loses district then its because they had injuries or youth.

[farmerfan]

Wow, I wasn't expecting that one line from the Carroll writeup to cause so much of a stir. I thought it was pretty obvious that they had injuries and that they were young. It certainly wasn't meant as a slight to other programs. I guess I can see how it might be taken that way, but that's not what was intended. I was basically just talking about Carroll, and Carrroll alone. Staying healthy is a key for any team...everyone deals with injuries, but sometimes you get a bit unlucky and have a top player or two go down. The next time around, you hope those things don't happen. That's all.

Champ.
I apologize for coming out so strong in my words about the wrtieup. It's just frustrating as hell when you hear it during the season, off-season and then in a write up it is mentioned again. There were a lot of people on the board that did not want to hear about injuries to teams that were playing Carroll in the playoffs over the coruse of the last 7 years. Some pretty key injuries too. Well the same applies here for me. Some of my favorite posters from Carroll have said it all off-season too. By doing that it fails to truly give credit to the teams that beat them. That is why I said what I did. It gets old. You either accept the card your delt and bust your butt or your make excuses. Carroll is too proud of a program to make excuses. I know of a few pretty serious injuries to some over at Trinity the past few years but you never hear them bring those up. Last year we could have heard how Denarius had a bad throwing shoulder and it truly did effect his play(the surgery he had after the season confirmed that) how they were missing two DB's that were pretty stout. Lost a WR/KR in the playoffs too. But they took their beating from Allen like a man and never brought up injuries as the reason that lead to a 4th round playoff exit. I just wish we could hear that Hebron and Coppell and CH beat Carroll without injuries being mentioned. That is all.

[ktchamp97]

Champ.
I apologize for coming out so strong in my words about the wrtieup. It's just frustrating as hell when you hear it during the season, off-season and then in a write up it is mentioned again. There were a lot of people on the board that did not want to hear about injuries to teams that were playing Carroll in the playoffs over the coruse of the last 7 years. Some pretty key injuries too. Well the same applies here for me. Some of my favorite posters from Carroll have said it all off-season too. By doing that it fails to truly give credit to the teams that beat them. That is why I said what I did. It gets old. You either accept the card your delt and bust your butt or your make excuses. Carroll is too proud of a program to make excuses. I know of a few pretty serious injuries to some over at Trinity the past few years but you never hear them bring those up. Last year we could have heard how Denarius had a bad throwing shoulder and it truly did effect his play(the surgery he had after the season confirmed that) how they were missing two DB's that were pretty stout. Lost a WR/KR in the playoffs too. But they took their beating from Allen like a man and never brought up injuries as the reason that lead to a 4th round playoff exit. I just wish we could hear that Hebron and Coppell and CH beat Carroll without injuries being mentioned. That is all.
All good points farmer.

[DrEdward]

Honestly Doc, every team goes through injuries over the course of a season. I have just never seen it discussed and used as an excuse as I have seen the last two years by some of the strongest Dragon supporters on this board. It just seems that with some of the Carroll fans they think they are the only ones who have suffered trhough or been effected by injuries. So yes I guess the drama does await, if Carroll wins district its because they have higher standards and work harder. If Carroll loses district then its because they had injuries or youth.

The last comment of mine was meant to be on the humorous side. Your dispute with some of the Dragon faithful is well known; still I would hope you are reading too much into the comments made by some Carroll fans on here.

The drama I was referring to is whether other write-ups will mention teams returning players who had been injured or banged up from last season. (By the way, there is at least one other already.:D)

[farmerfan]

The last comment of mine was meant to be on the humorous side. Your dispute with some of the Dragon faithful is well known; still I would hope you are reading too much into the comments made by some Carroll fans on here.

The drama I was referring to is whether other write-ups will mention teams returning players who had been injured or banged up from last season. (By the way, there is at least one other already.:D)

I'm not a smart man. You have to explain most humor to me;)

[worster70]

I dont want to come across as being ungrateful or too critical of the KT's, they did an excellent job with their writeups.
It's just all we have been led to believe over the last two years is that the only reason Carroll lost was because of injuries. Not all their posters are guilty of this but a lot of them are. The admins mentioned injuries twice in this writeup for Carroll.
The first being what I have pointed out already and the second being this one

I guess the only reason Hebron and Coppell and Cedar Hill really did defeat Carroll had to do with injuries.
If it were Plano they said this about then my tone would probably be much nicer ;):D



I saw SLC in the POs vs CH & CH they were not the same team offensively Coppell played (w/o Padron @ QB) imo...

You think SLC was young in 08 what until 10...alot of 09 pressure !

[DragonBand06]

Champ.
I apologize for coming out so strong in my words about the wrtieup. It's just frustrating as hell when you hear it during the season, off-season and then in a write up it is mentioned again. There were a lot of people on the board that did not want to hear about injuries to teams that were playing Carroll in the playoffs over the coruse of the last 7 years. Some pretty key injuries too. Well the same applies here for me. Some of my favorite posters from Carroll have said it all off-season too. By doing that it fails to truly give credit to the teams that beat them. That is why I said what I did. It gets old. You either accept the card your delt and bust your butt or your make excuses. Carroll is too proud of a program to make excuses. I know of a few pretty serious injuries to some over at Trinity the past few years but you never hear them bring those up. Last year we could have heard how Denarius had a bad throwing shoulder and it truly did effect his play(the surgery he had after the season confirmed that) how they were missing two DB's that were pretty stout. Lost a WR/KR in the playoffs too. But they took their beating from Allen like a man and never brought up injuries as the reason that lead to a 4th round playoff exit. I just wish we could hear that Hebron and Coppell and CH beat Carroll without injuries being mentioned. That is all.I'm gonna go ahead and throw these out there:
http://5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=41056
http://5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=40398&highlight=Coppell+Carroll&page=18
(Starting at post #884)
http://5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=38135&page=10
(Starting about halfway down at #458)
I couldn't find anything related to Coppell, but maybe you can.
All these threads came out right after their respective games, and I think I found ONE instance of an injury being mentioned, and it wasn't the QB, and nobody said it was what determined the whole game. So either I'm missing something here, or I think you're remembering some things a bit differently than they happened. You can't deny that injuries have an effect on the game, but I don't think you'll find a single loss (except maybe to Abliene) where most didn't agree that the better team won. And I think the KTs are completely justified in putting injuries as a cause for not being successful in their analysis. Injuries most certainly do affect a team. Nobody's saying the losses should be taken away because players were injured, they're just saying that you might expect SLC to do better this year if they don't face so many injuries. Calm down.

[farmerfan]

I'm gonna go ahead and throw these out there:
http://5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=41056
http://5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=40398&highlight=Coppell+Carroll&page=18
(Starting at post #884)
http://5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=38135&page=10
(Starting about halfway down at #458)
I couldn't find anything related to Coppell, but maybe you can.
All these threads came out right after their respective games, and I think I found ONE instance of an injury being mentioned, and it wasn't the QB, and nobody said it was what determined the whole game. So either I'm missing something here, or I think you're remembering some things a bit differently than they happened. You can't deny that injuries have an effect on the game, but I don't think you'll find a single loss (except maybe to Abliene) where most didn't agree that the better team won. And I think the KTs are completely justified in putting injuries as a cause for not being successful in their analysis. Injuries most certainly do affect a team. Nobody's saying the losses should be taken away because players were injured, they're just saying that you might expect SLC to do better this year if they don't face so many injuries. Calm down.

Oh really. Here is a link to the Carroll thread that discussed the injuries between two posters.
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=38798&page=208
I could scan thousands of post by bkr and pants and a few more who have been saying injuries for the past two years.
Go to any discussion about the 07 Katy team and you will see them same thing being brought up about Riley.
Injuries are a poor excuse to use. You all never wanted to hear it from Allen when Dick went down in 06, or Lufkin when Claybon was lost the week before the Carroll game in 05, or from Katy in regards to Dalton having a broken finger in the 05 game or Trinity when their leading rusher Shannon Moore was injured in week 10 in 2006.
As for calming down, I am fine, the KT's are justified in putting anything they want but when you say, "Injuries and Youth led to a 3-2 district record and second round playoff exit" it is exactly what it is, they were saying that is why Carroll lost to the teams they did youth and injuries and not because they were not the better team. As for injuries being apart of a season, you are dang right, that's why using them as an excuse to losing or an early exit is not a justifiable cause. Nobody is saying how Trinity was without 3 key players and a very injured QB last year as to why they lost to Allen.

[DragonBand06]

Oh really. Here is a link to the Carroll thread that discussed the injuries between two posters.
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=38798&page=208
I could scan thousands of post by bkr and pants and a few more who have been saying injuries for the past two years.
Go to any discussion about the 07 Katy team and you will see them same thing being brought up about Riley.
Injuries are a poor excuse to use. You all never wanted to hear it from Allen when Dick went down in 06, or Lufkin when Claybon was lost the week before the Carroll game in 05, or from Katy in regards to Dalton having a broken finger in the 05 game or Trinity when their leading rusher Shannon Moore was injured in week 10 in 2006.
As for calming down, I am fine, the KT's are justified in putting anything they want but when you say, "Injuries and Youth led to a 3-2 district record and second round playoff exit" it is exactly what it is, they were saying that is why Carroll lost to the teams they did youth and injuries and not because they were not the better team. As for injuries being apart of a season, you are dang right, that's why using them as an excuse to losing or an early exit is not a justifiable cause. Nobody is saying how Trinity was without 3 key players and a very injured QB last year as to why they lost to Allen.I'll say it. With those 3 players, maybe Trinity wins. Heck, if William Cole had gotten injured a couple years ago, I'd argue that CH wouldn't have taken home the goods. Regardless of the team, injuries and inexperience will ALWAYS contribute to a team losing. It's just redundant to state it. I doubt anyone is saying injuries is the ONLY reason SLC lost to those teams, but you can't deny it was a factor. As for what goes on in the "Carroll Dragon Fan" thread, that is a thread for evaluating what went on last season and predictin what will happen this season. Any time you have lots of injuries on a team, there's gonna be talk. There's gonna be "what if" situations. I really don't think anyone's saying the teams that won didn't deserve it, just speculating what could have been if certain players had been in. At the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with speculation. Katy and Allen have the rings, and that's all that matters. But therer's nothing wrong with saying "our team might have beaten your team if we had our starting QB" (or whatever player). Sure, it might have happened, but it didn't. Why should we get all ramped up over talk?

[farmerfan]

I'll say it. With those 3 players, maybe Trinity wins. Heck, if William Cole had gotten injured a couple years ago, I'd argue that CH wouldn't have taken home the goods. Regardless of the team, injuries and inexperience will ALWAYS contribute to a team losing. It's just redundant to state it. I doubt anyone is saying injuries is the ONLY reason SLC lost to those teams, but you can't deny it was a factor. As for what goes on in the "Carroll Dragon Fan" thread, that is a thread for evaluating what went on last season and predictin what will happen this season. Any time you have lots of injuries on a team, there's gonna be talk. There's gonna be "what if" situations. I really don't think anyone's saying the teams that won didn't deserve it, just speculating what could have been if certain players had been in. At the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with speculation. Katy and Allen have the rings, and that's all that matters. But therer's nothing wrong with saying "our team might have beaten your team if we had our starting QB" (or whatever player). Sure, it might have happened, but it didn't. Why should we get all ramped up over talk?

They were not what if situations used in the Carroll Dragon fan thread. They were sarcastic tones to say that yes had "injuries" not occurred then things would have been different. I for one agree that one would never know what would have happened "IF" certain things did not unfold. However we do know how things did unfold and there is nothing you or them or I can say that will change that.
As for getting ramped up, once again I am not getting ramped up, not any more than others, just pointing out an observation that has been stated by some of the carroll supporters and now being echoed by the admins. You dont see it as a slap to other programs but it is. How would you feel if I told you the only reason Trinity bowed out of the playoffs in the second round in 06 was because of the injury to Shannon Moore? Or in 05 the thing that led to a Lufkin 5th round exit was the injuries suffered by starting QB Claybon?
You or other Carroll fans would not like that very well and you shouldn't. It takes away from the accomplishments of what your team did by suggesting so.

[DragonBand06]

They were not what if situations used in the Carroll Dragon fan thread. They were sarcastic tones to say that yes had "injuries" not occurred then things would have been different. I for one agree that one would never know what would have happened "IF" certain things did not unfold. However we do know how things did unfold and there is nothing you or them or I can say that will change that.Again, it's all talk. I seriously don't understand what can possibly have been said to get upset over, short of "they didn't deserve it".
As for getting ramped up, once again I am not getting ramped up, not any more than others, just pointing out an observation that has been stated by some of the carroll supporters and now being echoed by the admins. You dont see it as a slap to other programs but it is. How would you feel if I told you the only reason Trinity bowed out of the playoffs in the second round in 06 was because of the injury to Shannon Moore? Or in 05 the thing that led to a Lufkin 5th round exit was the injuries suffered by starting QB Claybon?
You or other Carroll fans would not like that very well and you shouldn't. It takes away from the accomplishments of what your team did by suggesting so.I really wouldn't care because at the end of the day we've got the trophy. Winning the whole shebang takes 3 things: Skill, hard work, and luck. And if you don't believe that luck is a big part of football, you're just naive. Say the guy that took down Riley misses his hit - maybe we win the game and go on to state. Say the snap isn't fumbled on the set-up for the winning field goal - even then the FG still has to be hit to win the game. Say that vs. ET a few years ago, the SLC defense doesn't pick up on the fake punt. Let's even say the ball takes a funny bounce on a kickoff and is recovered by the kicking team for a touchdown. Any one of those things and a million more can drastically alter the game. Even if Carroll fans are saying that things definitely would have turned out differently had so and so not been injured, it's still just asserting an opinion. I challenge you to find where one Carroll fan (regular, not drive-by) has straight up said that the winning team didn't deserve it, and I'll call for an apology from them myself. But anything short of that is just playing the what-if game, and shouldn't be regarded as anything more than talk.

The other thing that bothers me is that you act like this is particular only to SLC fans - like nobody else on here has ever blamed a loss on injury or speculated as to whether their team might have fared differently. Or maybe it's just that since we've won so many this decade we somehow have special rules about how we discuss games?

[farmerfan]

Again, it's all talk. I seriously don't understand what can possibly have been said to get upset over, short of "they didn't deserve it".
I really wouldn't care because at the end of the day we've got the trophy. Winning the whole shebang takes 3 things: Skill, hard work, and luck. And if you don't believe that luck is a big part of football, you're just naive. Say the guy that took down Riley misses his hit - maybe we win the game and go on to state. Say the snap isn't fumbled on the set-up for the winning field goal - even then the FG still has to be hit to win the game. Say that vs. ET a few years ago, the SLC defense doesn't pick up on the fake punt. Let's even say the ball takes a funny bounce on a kickoff and is recovered by the kicking team for a touchdown. Any one of those things and a million more can drastically alter the game. Even if Carroll fans are saying that things definitely would have turned out differently had so and so not been injured, it's still just asserting an opinion. I challenge you to find where one Carroll fan (regular, not drive-by) has straight up said that the winning team didn't deserve it, and I'll call for an apology from them myself. But anything short of that is just playing the what-if game, and shouldn't be regarded as anything more than talk.

The other thing that bothers me is that you act like this is particular only to SLC fans - like nobody else on here has ever blamed a loss on injury or speculated as to whether their team might have fared differently. Or maybe it's just that since we've won so many this decade we somehow have special rules about how we discuss games?

You are right luck is involved in winning titles. As for the regular Carroll fans, SLC93 and Bckr have both said in the Carroll thread that yes the Padron injury had a factor in the season. That right there is saying that they believe that they would have beat CH had he be playing. Go read it for yourself. Bckr said that by him playing they would have kept Melina off the field and beat CH.
As for acting like Carroll fans are exclusive to it, no I am not saying they have a stronghold on the injury excuse making. I do remember though discussing with Bckr and SLC93 after the Abilene game in 07 how the Riley injury was more severe for Carroll than Trinity losing their leading rusher from a team who primarily runs the football. They said it wasnt big for Trinity and that could not be used as a excuse because the best team won. They were also the ones who were quick to dismiss Justice Campbells run as attributing it to a busted play by the Carroll defense and not crediting Campbell himself. As for what I am discussing here, yes it involves Carroll because that is what was said in the writeup about Carroll and being picked to win District 6-5A. You asked for instances and I gave you one. You don't like it. I am sorry. If I have more time I can go dig up more. But guys like Bckr and 93 and in some cases Pants and even SLC have all used injuries as a major outcry since last season concluded.

The thing that bothers me about you and some other Carroll posters is when anybody dares to bring up something other than SLC is the greatest ever, you all typically do not like it and in a certain case you are doing to me what you question me doing to the Admins. The rules that some are applying here are the same that you guys asked for during your run which was to give credit where credit is due and that is to the team who won the game on the field. In this case I took issue with what was said because once again the KT's said the following "A combination of Youth and INJURIES led to a 3-2 district record and a second round playoff exit". Nothing about having to overcome a more talented and better Hebron team or having to endure a tougher district than accustomed to. It was youth and INJURIES. By doing that you are insulting the kids who played for your team last year by implying that injuries and having to put kids who are not very good or who do not live up to our "higher standards" (and yes Bckr is on record to saying you all have higher standards than the rest of the schools in the district) on the field.

[DragonBand06]

You are right luck is involved in winning titles. As for the regular Carroll fans, SLC93 and Bckr have both said in the Carroll thread that yes the Padron injury had a factor in the season. That right there is saying that they believe that they would have beat CH had he be playing. Go read it for yourself. Bckr said that by him playing they would have kept Melina off the field and beat CH.
As for acting like Carroll fans are exclusive to it, no I am not saying they have a stronghold on the injury excuse making. I do remember though discussing with Bckr and SLC93 after the Abilene game in 07 how the Riley injury was more severe for Carroll than Trinity losing their leading rusher from a team who primarily runs the football. They said it wasnt big for Trinity and that could not be used as a excuse because the best team won. They were also the ones who were quick to dismiss Justice Campbells run as attributing it to a busted play by the Carroll defense and not crediting Campbell himself. As for what I am discussing here, yes it involves Carroll because that is what was said in the writeup about Carroll and being picked to win District 6-5A. You asked for instances and I gave you one. You don't like it. I am sorry. If I have more time I can go dig up more. But guys like Bckr and 93 and in some cases Pants and even SLC have all used injuries as a major outcry since last season concluded.

The thing that bothers me about you and some other Carroll posters is when anybody dares to bring up something other than SLC is the greatest ever, you all typically do not like it and in a certain case you are doing to me what you question me doing to the Admins. The rules that some are applying here are the same that you guys asked for during your run which was to give credit where credit is due and that is to the team who won the game on the field. In this case I took issue with what was said because once again the KT's said the following "A combination of Youth and INJURIES led to a 3-2 district record and a second round playoff exit". Nothing about having to overcome a more talented and better Hebron team or having to endure a tougher district than accustomed to. It was youth and INJURIES. By doing that you are insulting the kids who played for your team last year by implying that injuries and having to put kids who are not very good or who do not live up to our "higher standards" (and yes Bckr is on record to saying you all have higher standards than the rest of the schools in the district) on the field.Don't bring me into this. I always give credit where credit is due. And the one instance you're giving is of people saying they are sure we would have won had our player not been injured. Unless they say that the winning team didn't deserve it for some reason, I personally have no problem with it. And it goes the same for other teams - if they want to bring that up, have at it. Again, you don't make it to game 16 without those 3 things and you don't take home the trophy at the end of the day if you don't deserve it so why worry about talk?

[farmerfan]

Don't bring me into this. I always give credit where credit is due. And the one instance you're giving is of people saying they are sure we would have won had our player not been injured. Unless they say that the winning team didn't deserve it for some reason, I personally have no problem with it. And it goes the same for other teams - if they want to bring that up, have at it. Again, you don't make it to game 16 without those 3 things and you don't take home the trophy at the end of the day if you don't deserve it so why worry about talk?

THe issue at hand was a comment that Champ later came out and said it wasn't meant to come across the way it sounded but he also understands how that could be seen as a slap in the face to other programs. I do find it interesting though that you do not want me to lump you into the problem I have with this thread and I respect that, I ask of you in return to start seeing when I say "SOME CARROLL" posters not all. I have never included the whole Carroll fan base in this discussion. I have received a few PM's from some Carroll fans about this thread who understand exactly who the comments are directed to for the excuse making. Heck one of the posters who constantly uses injuries said this gem a month ago or so

Hopefully the Dragons can keep the QB upright this year. That is the only thing that kept us from a shot at title #8 in 07 and a deep run last year

Sounds as if this person was more than certain that Carroll wins the games they lost due to "injuries".

The issue at hand, was how supposedly only two things led to Carroll not winning district and or going further in the playoffs and that was Youth and INJURIES. Nothing more. THat is not giving credit to the teams who beat them. That is suggesting that they only did so because of one factor.
However we are not talking about game 16 here, we are talking about a 3-2 district record and a second round exit and what led to it. I never knew of luck being needed to win a district title though. Agree with you when you go through a whole 16 game season but the context of what is being discussed here is not a 16 game season. It is what led to a 3-2 district record and a second round playoff exit.

[E-Vol-ution]

In all fairness....I have never heard a single poster outside of myself say that Arlington Bowie was crippled more than half the season and entire playoff in '08 by Christian Matthews being injured from the Skyline game. He was relegated to being a passing quarterback and anyone could vouch that he was as much or more of a running threat than Matt Brown of Allen.
That being said, Wylie deserved to beat us because the end score reflected who was on the field. And that was Arlington Bowie. We lost.
We had a great excuse.....but that doesn't cut it.
It is true that a few of the SLC faithful refer back to Padron's injury and multiple injuries in their losses to CH and MNW as the cause of their loss or just flat out blame Wasson.
I'll say it. With those 3 players, maybe Trinity wins. Heck, if William Cole had gotten injured a couple years ago, I'd argue that CH wouldn't have taken home the goods. Regardless of the team, injuries and inexperience will ALWAYS contribute to a team losing. It's just redundant to state it. I doubt anyone is saying injuries is the ONLY reason SLC lost to those teams, but you can't deny it was a factor. As for what goes on in the "Carroll Dragon Fan" thread, that is a thread for evaluating what went on last season and predictin what will happen this season. Any time you have lots of injuries on a team, there's gonna be talk. There's gonna be "what if" situations. I really don't think anyone's saying the teams that won didn't deserve it, just speculating what could have been if certain players had been in. At the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with speculation. Katy and Allen have the rings, and that's all that matters. But therer's nothing wrong with saying "our team might have beaten your team if we had our starting QB" (or whatever player). Sure, it might have happened, but it didn't. Why should we get all ramped up over talk?

[slcdragonfan]

D@mn, if it weren't for Carroll injuries, this thread would be about "Region 1 District Picks & Analysis". Those pesky injuries have ruined this thread!

Congrats to CHILL, Hebron, and Coppell for beating whatever we put on the field. We try to play up to the other folks level but when we lose, we pull out our injury card to wave around and cry defeated by injury. We all know that Carroll fans are crybabies and that Carroll football is overrated.:rolleyes:

[E-Vol-ution]

uh...actually it was after the games.:D
D@mn, if it weren't for Carroll injuries, this thread would be about "Region 1 District Picks & Analysis". Those pesky injuries have ruined this thread!

Congrats to CHILL, Hebron, and Coppell for beating whatever we put on the field. We try to play up to the other folks level but when we think we are going to lose, we pull out our injury card to wave around and cry defeated by injury. We all know that Carroll fans are crybabies and that Carroll football is overrated.:rolleyes:

[slcdragonfan]

uh...actually it was after the games.:D

Fixed it to reflect your post.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Region 1 by far is the toughest in talent and teams. Few observations is SLC is rated way to high after last years season and what is coming back. You could equate the returning players etc to what Plano has coming back this year and we don't even get a cameo note in the region.

[E-Vol-ution]

Duly noted with the slightest hint at sarcasm..........:notworthyFixed it to reflect your post.

[slcdragonfan]

Region 1 by far is the toughest in talent and teams. Few observations is SLC is rated way to high after last years season and what is coming back. You could equate the returning players etc to what Plano has coming back this year and we don't even get a cameo note in the region.

That rating is made just so that we Carroll fans can then use injuries as an excuse when we lose.:rolleyes:

[drgnbkr]

THe issue at hand was a comment that Champ later came out and said it wasn't meant to come across the way it sounded but he also understands how that could be seen as a slap in the face to other programs. I do find it interesting though that you do not want me to lump you into the problem I have with this thread and I respect that, I ask of you in return to start seeing when I say "SOME CARROLL" posters not all. I have never included the whole Carroll fan base in this discussion. I have received a few PM's from some Carroll fans about this thread who understand exactly who the comments are directed to for the excuse making. Heck one of the posters who constantly uses injuries said this gem a month ago or so



Sounds as if this person was more than certain that Carroll wins the games they lost due to "injuries".

The issue at hand, was how supposedly only two things led to Carroll not winning district and or going further in the playoffs and that was Youth and INJURIES. Nothing more. THat is not giving credit to the teams who beat them. That is suggesting that they only did so because of one factor.
However we are not talking about game 16 here, we are talking about a 3-2 district record and a second round exit and what led to it. I never knew of luck being needed to win a district title though. Agree with you when you go through a whole 16 game season but the context of what is being discussed here is not a 16 game season. It is what led to a 3-2 district record and a second round playoff exit.

This discussion is pretty much about you and me...No one else is arguing the point from your point of view...I do believe that things could have been very different had the senior QB been able to finish the season in 07 and 08. You believe it is excuse making ...Whatever...That is why it is called a discussion board. iIf you want to argue about it take it to PM's. I stand by what I said and if somewhere I said it "definitely" would have turned out different, I misspoke. I always try and say could have turned out different. But if you want to carry on for pages, just PM me and we can discuss it.

[ktCarl]

farmer, Carroll has had more injuries to key players in the past two seasons than TD experienced during his entire tenure at Carroll. There is simply no denying that observation. The most blatantly obvious include losing Riley against Abilene two years ago and Padron last season, but there were several others on both sides of the ball. Any serious Carroll fan, even those of us with green blood (at least on Friday nights) cannot reasonably assert that the injury factor is the sole reason behind the Dragons's performance over the last two seasons. In particular for the performance last season. Many of us have stated that the skill level last season was not what it had been during the 5A run up unto that point. Certainly not that the boys weren't good players, just not what we had been blessed with previously.

I don't see the referenced Region 1 write-up making the claim that injuries were the only factor in the relative decline last season (or the previous one). Their causal attribution is to "A combination of youth and injuries." Mainly that they expect this year's version of the Dragon's to be improved over last year's. In that, I think they are correct.

In any event, kudos for the write up KTs.

I thought the game plan vs Cedar Hill in last years playoffs was very un-Dragon like. :cool:

[slcdragonfan]

I thought the game plan vs Cedar Hill in last years playoffs was very un-Dragon like. :cool:

Please explain.

IF you are referring to the 2-back offense, yes, that was not what we had shown in the past. Since it was successful, I think that was a pretty good idea, especially considering that a former Carroll Defensive coordinator was on the CHILL side lines. Why did we leave it? Of course, as a Carroll fan, I will blame injury as John-John (the second RB) broke his hand.:rolleyes: Many Carroll fans have commented on that game for other items, not our best endeavor.

[ktCarl]

Please explain.

IF you are referring to the 2-back offense, yes, that was not what we had shown in the past. Since it was successful, I think that was a pretty good idea, especially considering that a former Carroll Defensive coordinator was on the CHILL side lines. Why did we leave it? Of course, as a Carroll fan, I will blame injury as John-John (the second RB) broke his hand.:rolleyes: Many Carroll fans have commented on that game for other items, not our best endeavor.

The other games I've watched the Dragons play there seemed to be much more passing plays on first down. When I saw the Dragons that day they looked like any other high school Spread offense in the State. Well, at least one that made the playoffs. The offense was more predictable than what I've seen previous Carroll teams and seemed to play into the strengths of Cedar Hill's defense. This observation from a football fan that has seen the Dragons play only 4 previous games..( 2003-2004 2005 Finals and 2007 vs MNW).

[slcdragonfan]

The other games I've watched the Dragons play there seemed to be much more passing plays on first down. When I saw the Dragons that day they looked like any other high school Spread offense in the State. Well, at least one that made the playoffs. The offense was more predictable than what I've seen previous Carroll teams and seemed to play into the strengths of Cedar Hill's defense. This observation from a football fan that has seen the Dragons play only 4 previous games..( 2003-2004 2005 Finals and 2007 vs MNW).

Agreed. I commented at the time that it reminded me of the Glanville-era Oilers. Very predictable. But of course, somehow, injuries were the reason for that.:rolleyes:

[drgnbkr]

I thought the game plan vs Cedar Hill in last years playoffs was very un-Dragon like. :cool:

As we discussed at the game, it was different because of the changes in personnel. Injuries happen to all teams, and when you discuss it you run the risk of sounding excuse like, but so be it. But all credit goes to Chill..they took the opportunity and made the most of it.

[ktCarl]

As we discussed at the game, it was different because of the changes in personnel. Injuries happen to all teams, and when you discuss it you run the risk of sounding excuse like, but so be it. But all credit goes to Chill..they took the opportunity and made the most of it.

Hey! We got to use Dalton's broken finger as an excuse in 2005!!!! Convenient for us. :D

[slcdragonfan]

Hey! We got to use Dalton's broken finger as an excuse in 2005!!!! Convenient for us. :D

No, only Carroll fans can use injuries as an excuse, Everyone knows that other teams are not allowed to make any excuse whatever. They just lost. In Dalton's case, you just lost to the greatness that is Carroll.;) But we all know that Carroll fans are always looking for an injury to use as an excuse for the games they have lost. Otherwise, they couldn't have lost, right?:rolleyes:


This is the gospel according to FF.

[ktchamp97]

Let me restate, so that there's absolutely no misunderstanding, I was not trying to take anything away from the teams that beat Carroll. As I've said, I can now see how it would be taken that way. That was so far from my mind when I wrote it, that I didn't consider that at the time. I simply wrote a poorly worded sentence that did not produce the intended effect. It was written within the context of a district preview for the 2009 season, taking into account what every team returns, adding emphasis to the fact that Carroll returns more experienced key guys than anyone else and that we're assuming (as we do for every team) that everyone will be healthy throughout the season, thus providing the continuity and stability that any team would hope to have.

I don't know if that helps or hurts my case, but at least you know where my warped mind was/is.

[E-Vol-ution]

I understand both positions..........really think SLC gets a bye on it (me questioning their position) being a proven program and system, which I respect. That being said; no bye for next year.........they have to earn it or face being looked at as "one of the better metroplex teams". I expect them to wreak havoc.
Besides......you guys should only be used to being called Katy Homers by a few folks. Being Dragon Homers to boot is just too much a burden.............:notworthy Let me restate, so that there's absolutely no misunderstanding, I was not trying to take anything away from the teams that beat Carroll. As I've said, I can now see how it would be taken that way. That was so far from my mind when I wrote it, that I didn't consider that at the time. I simply wrote a poorly worded sentence that did not produce the intended effect. It was written within the context of a district preview for the 2009 season, taking into account what every team returns, adding emphasis to the fact that Carroll returns more experienced key guys than anyone else and that we're assuming (as we do for every team) that everyone will be healthy throughout the season, thus providing the continuity and stability that any team would hope to have.

I don't know if that helps or hurts my case, but at least you know where my warped mind was/is.

[slcdragonfan]

Let me restate, so that there's absolutely no misunderstanding, I was not trying to take anything away from the teams that beat Carroll. As I've said, I can now see how it would be taken that way. That was so far from my mind when I wrote it, that I didn't consider that at the time. I simply wrote a poorly worded sentence that did not produce the intended effect. It was written within the context of a district preview for the 2009 season, taking into account what every team returns, adding emphasis to the fact that Carroll returns more experienced key guys than anyone else and that we're assuming (as we do for every team) that everyone will be healthy throughout the season, thus providing the continuity and stability that any team would hope to have.

I don't know if that helps or hurts my case, but at least you know where my warped mind was/is.

Your case is fine. FF is just obsessing with Carroll, and his LOVE/HATE relationship with it/us, and I am currently fed up with it. I will get over it however. ;) Kyle wasn't the only critical injury last year, and the previous year Dodge wasn't the only season-ending injury either, But of course, when FF makes up his mind to dogmatically pursue a subject, he is like a bulldog and sinks his teeth in until all others quit in exhaustion.

Coppell, Hebron, Cedar Hill, if you are listening, you won, and deservedly so. No excuses. But......We think it might have played out differently if we had scored more points.:eek:

[drgnbkr]

Let me restate, so that there's absolutely no misunderstanding, I was not trying to take anything away from the teams that beat Carroll. As I've said, I can now see how it would be taken that way. That was so far from my mind when I wrote it, that I didn't consider that at the time. I simply wrote a poorly worded sentence that did not produce the intended effect. It was written within the context of a district preview for the 2009 season, taking into account what every team returns, adding emphasis to the fact that Carroll returns more experienced key guys than anyone else and that we're assuming (as we do for every team) that everyone will be healthy throughout the season, thus providing the continuity and stability that any team would hope to have.

I don't know if that helps or hurts my case, but at least you know where my warped mind was/is.

Ditto here...I don't remember ever doing anything but congratulating the teams that have beaten the Dragons. Injuries happen and sometimes it is to key personnel, but everyone is correct that there is pressure associated with producing year in and year out, and this upcoming group is loaded and any stumble will be magnified. Carroll is in a very tough district and whoever comes out of it will be tested.

[farmerfan]

D@mn, if it weren't for Carroll injuries, this thread would be about "Region 1 District Picks & Analysis". Those pesky injuries have ruined this thread!

Congrats to CHILL, Hebron, and Coppell for beating whatever we put on the field. We try to play up to the other folks level but when we lose, we pull out our injury card to wave around and cry defeated by injury. We all know that Carroll fans are crybabies and that Carroll football is overrated.:rolleyes:

Yeah because I really said "EVERY CARROLL" Poster. Jesus for the higher expectations you all have over there and the best education in the state, especially when compared to others in the area, you all sure have a tough time reading. If you can show me where I said every Carroll poster then I will apologize and shut up. Thing is, You wont. I said we have some/several, but not every one.

[KT2000]

Few observations is SLC is rated way to high after last years season and what is coming back. You could equate the returning players etc to what Plano has coming back this year and we don't even get a cameo note in the region.

Carroll returns 11 all-district starters. I can count the number of teams in the state on one hand who can claim anything similar right now.

[drgnbkr]

Yeah because I really said "EVERY CARROLL" Poster. Jesus for the higher expectations you all have over there and the best education in the state, especially when compared to others in the area, you all sure have a tough time reading. If you can show me where I said every Carroll poster then I will apologize and shut up. Thing is, You wont. I said we have some/several, but not every one.

And I offered you the opportunity to take it to PM if you want..Either way, I'm good with it. I try to live a perfect life, but it just ain't working out so far...:p

[farmerfan]

This discussion is pretty much about you and me...No one else is arguing the point from your point of view...I do believe that things could have been very different had the senior QB been able to finish the season in 07 and 08. You believe it is excuse making ...Whatever...That is why it is called a discussion board. iIf you want to argue about it take it to PM's. I stand by what I said and if somewhere I said it "definitely" would have turned out different, I misspoke. I always try and say could have turned out different. But if you want to carry on for pages, just PM me and we can discuss it.

Nobody else is arguing the point from my view, but I have had several from not only your school but from other schools thanking me for bringing this up because as they said, anytime you question something Carroll and not point out how they are better than everybody else you ruin the risk of starting a hell storm. In this case, once again they are right. Even the dependable slcdragonfan, who is not guilty of what I am talking about has got his panties in a wad now.

I love how you say misspoke. Somehow given your record I highly doubt that. I didn't think those who come from places with "higher standards" would do something quite that bad. You have been trumping the injury cause ever since Katy won state in 07. You and a few others have constantly been saying that while Katy won in 07 you all could have or would have beat them. Using once again the injury card as the reason why you lost to Abilene. I just find it ironic because when somebody brought up Shannon Moore from Trinity being injured you and SLC93 both went on about how it made no difference in the outcome of the game and the better team won. You say you give teams kudos and but I call BS. Sure you said hey they won and deserved, but you are very quick to comeback and bring up the injury card which I can see how you would not think that has a slap in the face.

[E-Vol-ution]

Can't equate the SLC crew coming back to the Plano crew coming back.
Not even close...........Region 1 by far is the toughest in talent and teams. Few observations is SLC is rated way to high after last years season and what is coming back. You could equate the returning players etc to what Plano has coming back this year and we don't even get a cameo note in the region.

[farmerfan]

Please explain.

IF you are referring to the 2-back offense, yes, that was not what we had shown in the past. Since it was successful, I think that was a pretty good idea, especially considering that a former Carroll Defensive coordinator was on the CHILL side lines. Why did we leave it? Of course, as a Carroll fan, I will blame injury as John-John (the second RB) broke his hand.:rolleyes: Many Carroll fans have commented on that game for other items, not our best endeavor.

Yeah because I said you are one who is responsible for that.

What I do love most about "ALL YOU" Carroll posters is how you stick up for one another. One makes excuses, its ok with you, another points out the excuse making then boom, we have a Dragon hater in the house time to stick up for the others. I guess that's all apart of the "higher standards" we have over there in the land of non-mediocrity.

[farmerfan]

As we discussed at the game, it was different because of the changes in personnel. Injuries happen to all teams, and when you discuss it you run the risk of sounding excuse like, but so be it. But all credit goes to Chill..they took the opportunity and made the most of it.

No you don't run the risk of excuse making when you discuss it.
You run the risk of excuse making when you say, injuries prevented us from playing for title number 8 in 07 and a deep playoff run in 08. Both implying that you would have won games you lost and won games you did not even play in. That's excuse making.

[slcdragonfan]

Yeah because I said you are one who is responsible for that.

What I do love most about "ALL YOU" Carroll posters is how you stick up for one another. One makes excuses, its ok with you, another points out the excuse making then boom, we have a Dragon hater in the house time to stick up for the others. I guess that's all apart of the "higher standards" we have over there in the land of non-mediocrity.

No, its because I don't mind the point being made, but I get tired of it being made over and over and over. Why not just make the point, then move on? There is perhaps some justification to what you are saying, but we also did have a whole plethora of injuries the past two years. No excuse, just fact. But belaboring the point is more than pointing out specific posters.

[farmerfan]

No, only Carroll fans can use injuries as an excuse, Everyone knows that other teams are not allowed to make any excuse whatever. They just lost. In Dalton's case, you just lost to the greatness that is Carroll.;) But we all know that Carroll fans are always looking for an injury to use as an excuse for the games they have lost. Otherwise, they couldn't have lost, right?:rolleyes:


This is the gospel according to FF.

Well I do remember some of the Carroll fans I have referred to here not want to hear about Dalton's injury. They said it had no impact on the game. However, once again I ask you to show me where I have said every Carroll poster?

Hey, there are few who do just that.

[bowiedawgs01]

A guy on another site saw the district analysis. He's a fan of 2-5A, but never said what team. He just mentioned that y'all had a player listed as the top defender and he won't even be attending that school this fall. I'll try to find out what school he's talking about.

[farmerfan]

Your case is fine. FF is just obsessing with Carroll, and his LOVE/HATE relationship with it/us, and I am currently fed up with it. I will get over it however. ;) Kyle wasn't the only critical injury last year, and the previous year Dodge wasn't the only season-ending injury either, But of course, when FF makes up his mind to dogmatically pursue a subject, he is like a bulldog and sinks his teeth in until all others quit in exhaustion.

Coppell, Hebron, Cedar Hill, if you are listening, you won, and deservedly so. No excuses. But......We think it might have played out differently if we had scored more points.:eek:

Yeah because I have criticized the play on the field of the Dragons and I have made comments about the players and coaches on a level that is just so obsessive and I have never complimented your play or the accomplishments that you all have enjoyed over there in "Higher Standard Non-MediocrityVille".
It just is really funny to now see once again "SOME of the CARROLL fans" no use the exact thing they did not want to hear about to other teams back in the 05 and 06 seasons. But hey, as I said earlier I would not expect you to see how comments made by "Some of the Carroll" fans can be taken the way they are. Not when they talk about the edcuation you all have being better than anybody else or how you all have higher standards than the rest of the district or that compared to yall the rest of the district is mediocre. No, I guess challenging that or getting offended by that is wrong. So the only way somebody could beat those who have higher standards and are not near as mediocre as you has to be because of injuries.

The thing that I and others get sick of is constantly seeing "some of these" posters say things that are just so out there and get a pass on it from others in the Dragon nation but when somebody from outside the Dragon nation finally speaks up it is seen as a hater. Okay. :rolleyes::confused:

[farmerfan]

And I offered you the opportunity to take it to PM if you want..Either way, I'm good with it. I try to live a perfect life, but it just ain't working out so far...:p

What is there to take to PM?

[slcdragonfan]

Yeah because I have criticized the play on the field of the Dragons and I have made comments about the players and coaches on a level that is just so obsessive and I have never complimented your play or the accomplishments that you all have enjoyed over there in "Higher Standard Non-MediocrityVille".
It just is really funny to now see once again "SOME of the CARROLL fans" no use the exact thing they did not want to hear about to other teams back in the 05 and 06 seasons. But hey, as I said earlier I would not expect you to see how comments made by "Some of the Carroll" fans can be taken the way they are. Not when they talk about the edcuation you all have being better than anybody else or how you all have higher standards than the rest of the district or that compared to yall the rest of the district is mediocre. No, I guess challenging that or getting offended by that is wrong. So the only way somebody could beat those who have higher standards and are not near as mediocre as you has to be because of injuries.

The thing that I and others get sick of is constantly seeing "some of these" posters say things that are just so out there and get a pass on it from others in the Dragon nation but when somebody from outside the Dragon nation finally speaks up it is seen as a hater. Okay. :rolleyes::confused:

OK, I hear you. From my perspective, it doesn't feel like you are targeting specific posters, it feels as if you are targeting the Carroll Dragons. Even with the "some of" statements. I am proud of this school and its players and its tradition. If any school feels that we have been apologists for their victory, then they should speak up. I personally say, speaking for myself, that I don't believe that was ever intended as an excuse for why we lost (well, except for Abilene. ;)) OK, j/k. The reason we lost is because the Abilene rush was so intense it scared us into fumbling the ball.:o

Anyway, I have had my say and am over it. Carry on.

[drgnbkr]

Nobody else is arguing the point from my view, but I have had several from not only your school but from other schools thanking me for bringing this up because as they said, anytime you question something Carroll and not point out how they are better than everybody else you ruin the risk of starting a hell storm. In this case, once again they are right. Even the dependable slcdragonfan, who is not guilty of what I am talking about has got his panties in a wad now.

I love how you say misspoke. Somehow given your record I highly doubt that. I didn't think those who come from places with "higher standards" would do something quite that bad. You have been trumping the injury cause ever since Katy won state in 07. You and a few others have constantly been saying that while Katy won in 07 you all could have or would have beat them. Using once again the injury card as the reason why you lost to Abilene. I just find it ironic because when somebody brought up Shannon Moore from Trinity being injured you and SLC93 both went on about how it made no difference in the outcome of the game and the better team won. You say you give teams kudos and but I call BS. Sure you said hey they won and deserved, but you are very quick to comeback and bring up the injury card which I can see how you would not think that has a slap in the face.

My record is there for everyone to see, and I've never really had a quibble with anyone but you. Well maybe zippy, way back when...:p I moved in here in in 92 and have seen an incredible run...Our discussions are usually respectful, and we often poke fun at each other, but on the rare occasion when you call me out I guess I would just as soon discuss it via PM, or at a tailgate, where we usually seem to work it out. We'll never know if we could have won state in 07 because Abilene beat the Dragons. I've definitely said I would have liked the Dragon's chances with our full team, but that wasn't to be. If we can't talk about what we think might happen, we might as well fold up the board and go home.

[farmerfan]

My record is there for everyone to see, and I've never really had a quibble with anyone but you. Well maybe zippy, way back when...:p I moved in here in in 92 and have seen an incredible run...Our discussions are usually respectful, and we often poke fun at each other, but on the rare occasion when you call me out I guess I would just as soon discuss it via PM, or at a tailgate, where we usually seem to work it out. We'll never know if we could have won state in 07 because Abilene beat the Dragons. I've definitely said I would have liked the Dragon's chances with our full team, but that wasn't to be. If we can't talk about what we think might happen, we might as well fold up the board and go home.

What was being called out is how we now had gone from some of the posters using injuries to now having the admins do it too. KTChamp97 cleared up what he meant and fine. He even said he used a poor phrase to describe last season.
However when you see guys like you say things such as I give respect to so and so but we were injured and blah. It gets old. Especially when you make a comment such as "The only thing keeping Carroll from playing for number 8 in 07 and going deeper in 08 was injuries". So nobody is getting onto you for talking about what Might have happend. He is getting onto you because you seem to imply that It "WOULD" have happend.

[drgnbkr]

What was being called out is how we now had gone from some of the posters using injuries to now having the admins do it too. KTChamp97 cleared up what he meant and fine. He even said he used a poor phrase to describe last season.
However when you see guys like you say things such as I give respect to so and so but we were injured and blah. It gets old. Especially when you make a comment such as "The only thing keeping Carroll from playing for number 8 in 07 and going deeper in 08 was injuries". So nobody is getting onto you for talking about what Might have happend. He is getting onto you because you seem to imply that It "WOULD" have happend.

He who? He is you...as usual.:p I can handle it. And yes, IMO Carroll would have had a better result in 07 and 08 if not for injuries..But lot's of posters can and do say that..so what?

[ktCarl]

Let me restate, so that there's absolutely no misunderstanding, I was not trying to take anything away from the teams that beat Carroll. As I've said, I can now see how it would be taken that way. That was so far from my mind when I wrote it, that I didn't consider that at the time. I simply wrote a poorly worded sentence that did not produce the intended effect. It was written within the context of a district preview for the 2009 season, taking into account what every team returns, adding emphasis to the fact that Carroll returns more experienced key guys than anyone else and that we're assuming (as we do for every team) that everyone will be healthy throughout the season, thus providing the continuity and stability that any team would hope to have.

I don't know if that helps or hurts my case, but at least you know where my warped mind was/is.

It was Bush's fault.

[ktCarl]

No, only Carroll fans can use injuries as an excuse, Everyone knows that other teams are not allowed to make any excuse whatever. They just lost. In Dalton's case, you just lost to the greatness that is Carroll.;) But we all know that Carroll fans are always looking for an injury to use as an excuse for the games they have lost. Otherwise, they couldn't have lost, right?:rolleyes:


This is the gospel according to FF.

Yup, Katy would have probably lost that game with a healthy Dalton but not by as many points. That was a good Dragon team.

[slcdragonfan]

Yup, Katy would have probably lost that game with a healthy Dalton but not by as many points. That was a good Dragon team.

Always fireworks when we play. I was being facetious. It is difficult to gauge how much a playing injury impacts the game result. For a QB with a hurt hand, more impact (but wasn't his throwing hand, correct?).

Just hope we get to meet, healthy, at the end. This year would be epic. But we have a difficult row to hoe with Cedar Hill, Hebron, Wylie, and many others between us and you.

Here's to good health....{ imagine a smiley with beers bumping }

[drgnbkr]

Always fireworks when we play. I was being facetious. It is difficult to gauge how much a playing injury impacts the game result. For a QB with a hurt hand, more impact (but wasn't his throwing hand, correct?).

Just hope we get to meet, healthy, at the end. This year would be epic. But we have a difficult row to hoe with Cedar Hill, Hebron, Wylie, and many others between us and you.

Here's to good health....{ imagine a smiley with beers bumping }

Yeah and add Allen in there...several are saying that if things go to form, they could be D-2. I'm sure they would like another shot at the Dragons!

[ktCarl]

Always fireworks when we play. I was being facetious. It is difficult to gauge how much a playing injury impacts the game result. For a QB with a hurt hand, more impact (but wasn't his throwing hand, correct?).

Just hope we get to meet, healthy, at the end. This year would be epic. But we have a difficult row to hoe with Cedar Hill, Hebron, Wylie, and many others between us and you.

Here's to good health....{ imagine a smiley with beers bumping }

Correct. Broke it on the 2nd play from scrimmage in the R3 Final vs Cy-Falls.

[farmerfan]

He who? He is you...as usual.:p I can handle it. And yes, IMO Carroll would have had a better result in 07 and 08 if not for injuries..But lot's of posters can and do say that..so what?

So why is it that things would have been different for Carroll and nobody else?

Funny how your tone changes when it does not apply to your team. True definition of homerism.

I say that because here is an exchange you had with a Trinjity poster who was responding to Maxthedog. The Trinity poster mentions Moore and you take the Bait.
Here is what was said by the Trinity poster

No comparison? Trinity was without their best back the whole game and lost 22-21. SLC was without their best QB and lost 22-21. SLC's strong point is QB, Trinity's strong point is rb. This is the exact same thing.

Here is your response

Okay, I'll take your bait...are you trying to say that the other back would have doubled or tripled Baker's output? Baker had an outstanding game so the other guy would have had to be superman. Are you putting down Baker or praising the other guy? Carroll running up a quick 14-0 score with Abilene, with Riley, and losing 22-21 without him for the final 3 1/2 quarters is not really in the same ball park

Trinity's fan response First of all baker was not even on the team. Campbell was the backup. I'm trying to say. Riley was your best player. he went out and you lost. Moore was our best player he did not play, we lost. see any comparison? SLC depends on the pass. Trinity on the Run. Not to say he would triple the output, but fresh legs at the rb position is what was key to Trinity's success. On the last series when Trinity is trying to run out the clock, having both backs fresh I beleive would have made a difference. IMO

Followed by this from you

Sorry, I was thinking of Samir Baker..but the point is the same. But to say having more depth at running back is the same as losing the 5-A offensive player of the year is kind of iffy...just my opinion though. Can't we just agree that it was a great game? I can't really see your comparison..sorry

But then you become so sure that things would have been different when a certain player did not even play in the playoff game this past year which totally contradicts your argument about why Moore and Riley couldn't compare. Funny how you change your tone when something applies to your team but when that same argument is used against your team you can't see it or do not accept it. Funny though how one year the QB who replaced the 5A offensive player of the year wasn't good enough to get the job done but the next year when he is the starter he was good enough especially after he himself got injured. Interesting

[farmerfan]

Always fireworks when we play. I was being facetious. It is difficult to gauge how much a playing injury impacts the game result. For a QB with a hurt hand, more impact (but wasn't his throwing hand, correct?).

Just hope we get to meet, healthy, at the end. This year would be epic. But we have a difficult row to hoe with Cedar Hill, Hebron, Wylie, and many others between us and you.

Here's to good health....{ imagine a smiley with beers bumping }

You get onto me for turning this into an injury thread instead of about Region 1 but you just turn it into a Katy vs SLC thread. We all know that the fans in Katy and Southlake and yes I am saying all, think they are entitled to play one another but can you please spare the rest of us from the love fest you all have for one another. Thanks. At least on this thread.

[ktCarl]

You get onto me for turning this into an injury thread instead of about Region 1 but you just turn it into a Katy vs SLC thread. We all know that the fans in Katy and Southlake and yes I am saying all, think they are entitled to play one another but can you please spare the rest of us from the love fest you all have for one another. Thanks. At least on this thread.

I thought you hated Plano? :confused:

[bigdaddydog]

Yeah and add Allen in there...several are saying that if things go to form, they could be D-2. I'm sure they would like another shot at the Dragons!

Indeed!! I think we both have long roads to travel to even think about that possibility.

If our QB had not gone down early in that '06 playoff game I think it would have had a better ending for us. :p;):D

I still have the video of a Freshman Matt Brown scrambling his heart out in the 4th quarter of that game. I'd like to think that the trial by fire helped to make him the player he is today. :notworthy

I love the fact that the KT's ranked you guys #4. Nothing like raised expectations to have to live up to. :D


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[drgnbkr]

Indeed!! I think we both have long roads to travel to even think about that possibility.

If our QB had not gone down early in that '06 playoff game I think it would have had a better ending for us. :p;):D

I still have the video of a Freshman Matt Brown scrambling his heart out in the 4th quarter of that game. I'd like to think that the trial by fire helped to make him the player he is today. :notworthy

I love the fact that the KT's ranked you guys #4. Nothing like raised expectations to have to live up to. :D


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This post goes to show just how important the starting QB's are! There are extreme expectations on the Dragons this year, but they appear to be up to it.

[KT2000]

Yeah and add Allen in there...several are saying that if things go to form, they could be D-2. I'm sure they would like another shot at the Dragons!

That'll depend squarely on East playing up to its potential.

[farmerfan]

I thought you hated Plano? :confused:

I dont hate Katy, I dont hate Carroll. I don't hate Allen anymore either. I just did not want this to turn into the 48479403 thread about how you Katy and Carroll fans love playing each other. We get that. We understand. We are reminded by the hijack of other threads we have seen stating that. I just wanted to try to steer clear of that one topic on this thread. That is all :)

[bigdaddydog]

That'll depend squarely on East playing up to its potential.

Don't be so sure that it won't depend more on Plano playing up to their potential. :rolleyes:

I tried to bet PWF a crisp 1 dollar bill that East ends up with a better district record that Plano, but for some odd reason he didn't respond...

I will just be happy if my team makes the playoffs... :cool:


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[drgnbkr]

I dont hate Katy, I dont hate Carroll. I don't hate Allen anymore either. I just did not want this to turn into the 48479403 thread about how you Katy and Carroll fans love playing each other. We get that. We understand. We are reminded by the hijack of other threads we have seen stating that. I just wanted to try to steer clear of that one topic on this thread. That is all :)

We? You got a Bulldog in your pocket?:p

[farmerfan]

We? You got a Bulldog in your pocket?:p

Trust me, there is more than just I that agree with that.

[farmerfan]

This post goes to show just how important the starting QB's are! There are extreme expectations on the Dragons this year, but they appear to be up to it.

That post goes to show how naive you are. Funny how you are ready to hear it now but due to past history between the two programs there were quite a few who said that injury had no bearing on the game.

[slcdragonfan]

You get onto me for turning this into an injury thread instead of about Region 1 but you just turn it into a Katy vs SLC thread. We all know that the fans in Katy and Southlake and yes I am saying all, think they are entitled to play one another but can you please spare the rest of us from the love fest you all have for one another. Thanks. At least on this thread.

sure, but only if you call me jackass again.

[farmerfan]

sure, but only if you call me jackass again.

Thanks Jackass:D

[drgnbkr]

That post goes to show how naive you are. Funny how you are ready to hear it now but due to past history between the two programs there were quite a few who said that injury had no bearing on the game.

You mean there is no Santa? Easter Bunny? Objective posters?:p

[bigdaddydog]

trust me, there is more than just i that agree with that.

+1

[slcdragonfan]

Thanks Jackass:D

Well, at least you capitalized it. Just so you know, I am NOT ok with you calling me that in the first place, and IMO doing it a second time, even on a dare, is way out of line. I don't expect you to apologize, but you have lost my respect. You can certainly dish it out hot and heavy, but you can't take it; you simply revert to name calling. Do what you want, say what you want, I have been nothing but respectful while having a little fun (just as you so often do).

[BTW Hawk Fan]

I will try and get this thread back on track.....

With 8-5a projected to be the toughest distrcit and 6-5a 2nd, it should be interesting to see if Hebron will be the "bell cow(hawk)" to those projections with Hebron playing Wylie, Plano, and Jesuit, in the first 4 weeks in the season, and with a little extra bonus of Hebron playiing AT Wylie and Plano.

- I think with the bad taste Hebron still has from Wylie playoff lost (darn refs:p), Hebron has a little chip on its shoulder and will be backing up the truck a AHMO stadium bringing extra wood :D
- Hebron was hanging with Plano last year until 'Mr Superman' took over late in the game. I believe Hebron takes this one without a guy name Rex on the team and with the left over wood from Wylie :)
- We do not care how much they pay their players to become Ringers, I mean Rangers, ;) we will be wating for them at the Woodshed :ninja:

Go Hawks !!

[E-Vol-ution]

I really think 4-5A has the deepest district from top to bottom in the metroplex this year. Non-district results could be very interesting. Last year shocked quite a few folks in post season.I will try and get this thread back on track.....

With 8-5a projected to be the toughest distrcit and 6-5a 2nd, it should be interesting to see if Hebron will be the "bell cow(hawk)" to those projections with Hebron playing Wylie, Plano, and Jesuit, in the first 4 weeks in the season, and with a little extra bonus of Hebron playiing AT Wylie and Plano.

- I think with the bad taste Hebron still has from Wylie playoff lost (darn refs:p), Hebron has a little chip on its shoulder and will be backing up the truck a AHMO stadium bringing extra wood :D
- Hebron was hanging with Plano last year until 'Mr Superman' took over late in the game. I believe Hebron takes this one without a guy name Rex on the team and with the left over wood from Wylie :)
- We do not care how much they pay their players to become Ringers, I mean Rangers, ;) we will be wating for them at the Woodshed :ninja:

Go Hawks !!

[toonman]

Region 1 District Picks & Analysis (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/2009%20Gridiron%20Guide/gg_09Reg1distprev.htm) now posted!

What do you think?

A superb piece of work. I am still working my way through the data.

[NHB06]

I will try and get this thread back on track.....

With 8-5a projected to be the toughest distrcit and 6-5a 2nd, it should be interesting to see if Hebron will be the "bell cow(hawk)" to those projections with Hebron playing Wylie, Plano, and Jesuit, in the first 4 weeks in the season, and with a little extra bonus of Hebron playiing AT Wylie and Plano.

- I think with the bad taste Hebron still has from Wylie playoff lost (darn refs:p), Hebron has a little chip on its shoulder and will be backing up the truck a AHMO stadium bringing extra wood :D
- Hebron was hanging with Plano last year until 'Mr Superman' took over late in the game. I believe Hebron takes this one without a guy name Rex on the team and with the left over wood from Wylie :)
- We do not care how much they pay their players to become Ringers, I mean Rangers, ;) we will be wating for them at the Woodshed :ninja:

Go Hawks !!


Better get to Clark stadium early for the Plano game. We'll be locking the gates on the visitor side just before kickoff (a little payback for last years fiasco at the Woodshed). BTW No wood and no obnoxious train horns allowed at Clark Stadium.

[farmerfan]

Well, at least you capitalized it. Just so you know, I am NOT ok with you calling me that in the first place, and IMO doing it a second time, even on a dare, is way out of line. I don't expect you to apologize, but you have lost my respect. You can certainly dish it out hot and heavy, but you can't take it; you simply revert to name calling. Do what you want, say what you want, I have been nothing but respectful while having a little fun (just as you so often do).

Yeah and you were having fun by taking this topic over to the Trinity thread attempting to be funny. Saying that I put all Carroll fans in this light and I will do the same to Trinity or whoever. I have no idea how it could be out of line when you say do it again, I do it again and then you get hurt. If you didn't want it to be done then you should not have asked me to call you that. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. As I said, I could have called you way worse. I have been called way worse by many on this board, it usually stems from when I do not bow down to some fans teams and declare them the greatest ever.
As for losing your respect that is fine. You are a nice guy and one I have never felt used excuses, I almost used your name directly on this thread as one who has always been stand up about winning and losing, maybe I should have done that last night. I didn't. That being said, it's all fine and dandy with me that I don't have your respect anymore. No sleep will be lost here.

[bowiedawgs01]

As we discussed at the game, it was different because of the changes in personnel. Injuries happen to all teams, and when you discuss it you run the risk of sounding excuse like, but so be it. But all credit goes to Chill..they took the opportunity and made the most of it.

I understand this, for sure. Bowie's gameplan in the playoff game was very different than what we did all year because of injuries to our key playmakers.

That doesn't mean we didn't have chances to win the game. We didn't execute when we needed to. Our approach just would have been different had we been healthy.

[SLC13]

Region 1 District Picks & Analysis (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/2009%20Gridiron%20Guide/gg_09Reg1distprev.htm) now posted!

What do you think?

A superb piece of work. I am still working my way through the data.

Champ........Great job!! :notworthy......the data is terrific and the writeups are very insightful.......much more so than most of this thread :eek:

[DragonBand06]

Hey Katy fans, did I ever mention that we really enjoy playing you guys? We should just cancel this season and have SLC and Katy play 16 times. Winner take all. ;) I mean, none of the other teams matter anyway, right? They really didn't deserve the trophy last year (except for yall of course) or a couple years ago - if we'd been completely healthy nobody would have been within 21 points of us anyway!

BTW, my friend told me they're thinking about starting a football program in lewisville. Silly prospect, right? :rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

Hey Katy fans, did I ever mention that we really enjoy playing you guys? We should just cancel this season and have SLC and Katy play 16 times. Winner take all. ;) I mean, none of the other teams matter anyway, right? They really didn't deserve the trophy last year (except for yall of course) or a couple years ago - if we'd been completely healthy nobody would have been within 21 points of us anyway!

BTW, my friend told me they're thinking about starting a football program in lewisville. Silly prospect, right? :rolleyes:

See, it's comments like this from kids who come from the plastic capital of the world that just allow those of us to wait for the day when you all suck. Too bad you all were a just a little community nobody outside of 3A gave a **** about during the 90's. Would have loved to kick your *** then. Trust me too, our teams back then would have kicked your *** too. But as we have seen with every major football program to play ball in this state, there will come a time when all the plastic surgery and boob jobs in the world will still produce a losing football team and some down times and it's posts and comments like yours that come from little band dorks like yourself who were too weak to step out on the football field that a lot of people will remember.
God, humility is a good thing and I am afraid what its going to do to the morale when you get served yours. Trust me too, you will get served a healthy does of it.

[DragonBand06]

See, it's comments like this from kids who come from the plastic capital of the world that just allow those of us to wait for the day when you all suck. Too bad you all were a just a little community nobody outside of 3A gave a **** about during the 90's. Would have loved to kick your *** then. Trust me too, our teams back then would have kicked your *** too. But as we have seen with every major football program to play ball in this state, there will come a time when all the plastic surgery and boob jobs in the world will still produce a losing football team and some down times and it's posts and comments like yours that come from little band dorks like yourself who were too weak to step out on the football field that a lot of people will remember.
God, humility is a good thing and I am afraid what its going to do to the morale when you get served yours. Trust me too, you will get served a healthy does of it.LOL @ Farmer saying he's not getting riled up and then falling into the most obvious troll of all time. Wideman would be ashamed. Calm down dude, I was just poking the bear. If you think one word of that was sincere, (except the enjoying playing Katy part) you need to have your sarcasmometer fixed.

[DragonBand06]

See, it's comments like this from kids who come from the plastic capital of the world that just allow those of us to wait for the day when you all suck. Too bad you all were a just a little community nobody outside of 3A gave a **** about during the 90's. Would have loved to kick your *** then. Trust me too, our teams back then would have kicked your *** too. But as we have seen with every major football program to play ball in this state, there will come a time when all the plastic surgery and boob jobs in the world will still produce a losing football team and some down times and it's posts and comments like yours that come from little band dorks like yourself who were too weak to step out on the football field that a lot of people will remember.
God, humility is a good thing and I am afraid what its going to do to the morale when you get served yours. Trust me too, you will get served a healthy does of it.For the record, I could have played football if I wanted to. I played baseball up until HS (I chose it over football in middle school) and in 8th grade I injured my foot and it was the end of my sports career.

[farmerfan]

For the record, I could have played football if I wanted to. I played baseball up until HS (I chose it over football in middle school) and in 8th grade I injured my foot and it was the end of my sports career.

How fitting for this thread:D

[farmerfan]

LOL @ Farmer saying he's not getting riled up and then falling into the most obvious troll of all time. Wideman would be ashamed. Calm down dude, I was just poking the bear. If you think one word of that was sincere, (except the enjoying playing Katy part) you need to have your sarcasmometer fixed.

If you say you were joking I'll take your word for it and take back the previous post

[DragonBand06]

How fitting for this thread:D:D Quite.
And I hope you realize I was kidding with that Lewisville comment. ;) I mean, we all know it's really plano that sucks :eek: there I go again :D

[farmerfan]

:D Quite.
And I hope you realize I was kidding with that Lewisville comment. ;) I mean, we all know it's really plano that sucks :eek: there I go again :D

If you say you were joking I'll take your word for it and edit the previous response.

You are right, it is Plano who will always suck.

[DragonBand06]

If you say you were joking I'll take your word for it and edit the previous response.

You are right, it is Plano who will always suck.Come on, I'm the little wimpy band nerd - it's in my best interest to not anger the big ole football players ;)

[farmerfan]

Come on, I'm the little wimpy band nerd - it's in my best interest to not anger the big ole football players ;)

You would be correct. The other foot could get injured in that case:D

[ktCarl]

I dont hate Katy, I dont hate Carroll. I don't hate Allen anymore either. I just did not want this to turn into the 48479403 thread about how you Katy and Carroll fans love playing each other. We get that. We understand. We are reminded by the hijack of other threads we have seen stating that. I just wanted to try to steer clear of that one topic on this thread. That is all :)

Don't care if you hate/love Katy and/or Carroll. I can't control people's emotions or who they want to pull for. I just didn't see the good Ol' Farmer hates Plano in your threads and was wondering if you were starting to have love for them. I thought you might need to see a shrink. :Music

Hey! I love playing Smithson Valley.

Carroll better win their District to make the Adimns look good.

[DrEdward]

See, it's comments like this from kids who come from the plastic capital of the world that just allow those of us to wait for the day when you all suck. Too bad you all were a just a little community nobody outside of 3A gave a **** about during the 90's. Would have loved to kick your *** then. Trust me too, our teams back then would have kicked your *** too. But as we have seen with every major football program to play ball in this state, there will come a time when all the plastic surgery and boob jobs in the world will still produce a losing football team and some down times and it's posts and comments like yours that come from little band dorks like yourself who were too weak to step out on the football field that a lot of people will remember.
God, humility is a good thing and I am afraid what its going to do to the morale when you get served yours. Trust me too, you will get served a healthy does of it.

It will be because we have injured band members. :eek::rolleyes:

[SWMHebron]

Don't care if you hate/love Katy and/or Carroll. I can't control people's emotions or who they want to pull for. I just didn't see the good Ol' Farmer hates Plano in your threads and was wondering if you were starting to have love for them. I thought you might need to see a shrink. :Music

Hey! I love playing Smithson Valley.

Carroll better win their District to make the Adimns look good.

Hey, your picks and your spelling are your problem. You want to look good, pick the right teams (Hebron).

[farmerfan]

It will be because we have injured band members. :eek::rolleyes:

I actually understood that humor Doc. Not often I get it the first time but I did this time :D:notworthy

[BTW Hawk Fan]

Better get to Clark stadium early for the Plano game. We'll be locking the gates on the visitor side just before kickoff (a little payback for last years fiasco at the Woodshed). BTW No wood and no obnoxious train horns allowed at Clark Stadium.

I heard there was a little problem over on that side of the stands. :D

As for the horns, the Hornmaster has gone through a couple upgrades since you last heard them. By the playoffs, it got so loud, he had to put a remote control on it so that he himself did not have to be subjected to the deathly earpiercing sound :Music

[SLC93]

Nobody else is arguing the point from my view, but I have had several from not only your school but from other schools thanking me for bringing this up because as they said, anytime you question something Carroll and not point out how they are better than everybody else you ruin the risk of starting a hell storm. In this case, once again they are right. Even the dependable slcdragonfan, who is not guilty of what I am talking about has got his panties in a wad now.

I love how you say misspoke. Somehow given your record I highly doubt that. I didn't think those who come from places with "higher standards" would do something quite that bad. You have been trumping the injury cause ever since Katy won state in 07. You and a few others have constantly been saying that while Katy won in 07 you all could have or would have beat them. Using once again the injury card as the reason why you lost to Abilene. I just find it ironic because when somebody brought up Shannon Moore from Trinity being injured you and SLC93 both went on about how it made no difference in the outcome of the game and the better team won. You say you give teams kudos and but I call BS. Sure you said hey they won and deserved, but you are very quick to comeback and bring up the injury card which I can see how you would not think that has a slap in the face.

To begin, my friend, leave me out of your rants unless I'm participating. I refuse to delve into thousands of posts from years ago for the proof I did or didn't say a particular thing about a particular player. What I can assure you of is I have never been anything but gracious with regards to that Trinity game. It was an all out war and somebody had to lose. The strongest I've ever been with regards to that one is we had to win it. The fake punt assured nothing. I do not run off at the mouth and am always certain to congratulate any team that defeats us before I begin with my thoughts, analysis or opinions. I consider it the equivalent of a post game handshake.

To be clear on your Shannon Moore point, the debate was the relative significance of a lost starting quarterback versus a lost starting running back and which one carried more weight due to the offensive system that their respective squads used. That is always going to be subjective and a matter of opinion, no matter how right one side feels. I happen to believe that a qb running Carroll's spread offense is not nearly as replaceable as a running back in Trinity's offense. I think that is sound for many reasons but that is not the point. The point is do not use me as a reference to support you latest obsession when I am not a part of the conversation, most especially when you're misrepresenting fact or expressed opinion. It's poor form and nearly as immature as hijacking a regional thread over one line in the review of one team, an accurate one at that.

As it applies to your hijack, get over it. You've made an absolute mountain out of a mole hill. It's embarassing for you. Stop. We're all well aware that injuries are part of the game. We're all well aware that they work both ways. As Carroll fans, yes, we know who teams were missing when we played them. To be fair, you seem to be more guilty of what you accuse us of in these rant than we are. You're absolute refusal to admit just how decimated our 07 squad was is laughable. To deflect you bring up certain games of years gone by. Games where a significant player or two may have been missing. That 07 squad lost 3 starters before the year began and saw as many as 8 on the sidelines for long stretches and a few more than played with painful injuries to help keep us afloat. That one squad had more injuries than the previous decades worth of Carroll team combined. As you taught us in your infinite wisdom, though, injuries are part of the game so they played on and finished 11-2, losing only to the national champion and a top 5 ranked squad from Texas by about 9 points. Clearly, we are delusional as fans to play the what if game. As it applies to 08, not one Carroll fan has said we would have competed for a state title if only Padron had stayed healthy. All that has ever been said is the Hebron and CHill games would have played out much differently had he been in there. Again, our opinion and not a crazy one at that. It's all postgame review. It's all offseason analysis. What the hell else would you have us do to fill the nine month gap? And, for the record, it's no different than any other team's reflections of opportunity lost, regardless of what you've convinced yourself of in that tunnel visioned mind of yours.
If you don't like it move on, ignore or don't participate. Wait, that would mean I'm telling you to stop expressing your thoughts, feelings or opinions and that would be wrong, especially on a fan based message board. Right?

[SLC93]

Region 1 District Picks & Analysis (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/2009%20Gridiron%20Guide/gg_09Reg1distprev.htm) now posted!

What do you think?

Back on point, this is great stuff. I read through it once yesterday and am going to go back through it today. As always, you guys have produced a superior product.

[KattTx]

A guy on another site saw the district analysis. He's a fan of 2-5A, but never said what team. He just mentioned that y'all had a player listed as the top defender and he won't even be attending that school this fall. I'll try to find out what school he's talking about.

They have Kody Tennison (SR) listed as Defensive MVP and he is a LB at OHS. I haven't heard anything about him leaving though. :confused:

[farmerfan]

To begin, my friend, leave me out of your rants unless I'm participating. I refuse to delve into thousands of posts from years ago for the proof I did or didn't say a particular thing about a particular player. What I can assure you of is I have never been anything but gracious with regards to that Trinity game. It was an all out war and somebody had to lose. The strongest I've ever been with regards to that one is we had to win it. The fake punt assured nothing. I do not run off at the mouth and am always certain to congratulate any team that defeats us before I begin with my thoughts, analysis or opinions. I consider it the equivalent of a post game handshake.

To be clear on your Shannon Moore point, the debate was the relative significance of a lost starting quarterback versus a lost starting running back and which one carried more weight due to the offensive system that their respective squads used. That is always going to be subjective and a matter of opinion, no matter how right one side feels. I happen to believe that a qb running Carroll's spread offense is not nearly as replaceable as a running back in Trinity's offense. I think that is sound for many reasons but that is not the point. The point is do not use me as a reference to support you latest obsession when I am not a part of the conversation, most especially when you're misrepresenting fact or expressed opinion. It's poor form and nearly as immature as hijacking a regional thread over one line in the review of one team, an accurate one at that.

As it applies to your hijack, get over it. You've made an absolute mountain out of a mole hill. It's embarassing for you. Stop. We're all well aware that injuries are part of the game. We're all well aware that they work both ways. As Carroll fans, yes, we know who teams were missing when we played them. To be fair, you seem to be more guilty of what you accuse us of in these rant than we are. You're absolute refusal to admit just how decimated our 07 squad was is laughable. To deflect you bring up certain games of years gone by. Games where a significant player or two may have been missing. That 07 squad lost 3 starters before the year began and saw as many as 8 on the sidelines for long stretches and a few more than played with painful injuries to help keep us afloat. That one squad had more injuries than the previous decades worth of Carroll team combined. As you taught us in your infinite wisdom, though, injuries are part of the game so they played on and finished 11-2, losing only to the national champion and a top 5 ranked squad from Texas by about 9 points. Clearly, we are delusional as fans to play the what if game. As it applies to 08, not one Carroll fan has said we would have competed for a state title if only Padron had stayed healthy. All that has ever been said is the Hebron and CHill games would have played out much differently had he been in there. Again, our opinion and not a crazy one at that. It's all postgame review. It's all offseason analysis. What the hell else would you have us do to fill the nine month gap? And, for the record, it's no different than any other team's reflections of opportunity lost, regardless of what you've convinced yourself of in that tunnel visioned mind of yours.
If you don't like it move on, ignore or don't participate. Wait, that would mean I'm telling you to stop expressing your thoughts, feelings or opinions and that would be wrong, especially on a fan based message board. Right?

1st point, you congratulate roughly a month or two after the fact it seems. I don't remember you being around here much after the Hebron game last year and then making an apperance the week of CH and once again disappearing. This after spending all week talking trash about CH. Maybe I am wrong on that( your disappearing act) but that's what I recall.

As for the Shannon Moore comment, the topic came up when the comparison of how Southlake went out in 07 compared to how Trinity went out in 06. When people said Moore, you and Bckr and a few more came out and used the well its not the same because our QB is worth more than Moore would have been, no pun, however having two healthy RB's is not a big deal. No. You can't say that or bring that up because he is not as important as a QB, especially to a team that relied on the run 70% and when they did throw it Moore was used out of the backfield very effectively. Far more than Campbell was. I am also using you because somebody asked for evidence that you all had been saying what you had, you made the comment you did about Padron as well as the comments you made in how it was not fair to compare the loss of Moore to Dodge. As for hijacking the thread, its also funny you use those words with me on this, maybe because it points out the ultimiate WHINING that posters like you and bckr and few more have been doing about injuries but you have posters usch as Bckr who hijack far more threads talking about how he can't wait for the Katy-SLC game when Carroll is not even brought up. So please spare me the lecture on hijcaking. Your people are far worse at it than I am. This was taking one comment, a comment taht even the Admins came out and said was a poorly written comment and said how they could see it would be slap in the face to others. I made the comment I did and like you all always do, you take exception with something when it does not say, "The Higher Standards of Southlake are far from mediocre and therefore they are the greatest ever".

How is it embarrassing for me to bring up all the whining some of the Dragon fans have done? How is it anymore embarrassing for me to bring something like that up but it's ok for you all to make comments about injuries being the only thing that kept you from playing for #8 in 07 and going further in the playoffs in 08? I fail to see your logic there. As always though, you all are unreal in how you all engage with people. It is always ok for your posters to make comments about how much better yall are in everything compared to other districts but when those people might defend themsevles, it's embarrassing? Okay that makes plenty of sense. Once again though, I laugh at you for bringing up the hijacking word. Especially considering the history that other Carroll posters have in other threads. Truly hilarious.

I understand that the 07 tema had injuries, but its just as funny as the Carroll fans adamantly defending their boys when the situations : in 02 when Sam Houston fans wanted to discuss the controversial call that cost them the game. Or in 03 when the officail spotted the ball well short of where the Monty player had advanced and thus leading to a turnover on downs. Or in 04 had SV not been so banged up, or in 05 had Katy had a healthy team along with Lufkin or in 06 had Trinity not been as banged up as they were then they could have beat the Dragons. That never made you all happy. Trust me you all defended everyone of those things as excuses and your fans told those teams, they should have just beat you instead of allowing those sitatuons to take fold. You all were right for doing that too. But holy hell when the reversals are reversed the whinning and excuse making come out. You say its embarrassing for me to carry this out, I say your program is too proud to make excuses as to whyyou lost. It is too proud to carry on with injuries two years after the fact. Too proud to sit here and not give credit without taking a backhanded slap at the programs who have beat you.
As for 08, you yourself made a comment about Pardon that suggested juts the opposite in regards to CH and Hebron by saying "and there are people that actually question if he would have made a difference in his teams season" or something to that tune. I guess that was taken out of context though

You ask me not to bring you into the discussion, fine just quit using injuries as an excuse and you will be fine.

[NHB06]

I heard there was a little problem over on that side of the stands. :D

As for the horns, the Hornmaster has gone through a couple upgrades since you last heard them. By the playoffs, it got so loud, he had to put a remote control on it so that he himself did not have to be subjected to the deathly earpiercing sound :Music

The last time I heard the Hebron train horn was at the Wylie/Hebron matchup at Texas Stadium 2008. I thought the Wylie train horn was terrible, but the Hebron horn was just plain ridiculous. If they make it any louder, it should be considered a health hazard.

[JagFan]

The last time I heard the Hebron train horn was at the Wylie/Hebron matchup at Texas Stadium 2008. I thought the Wylie train horn was terrible, but the Hebron horn was just plain ridiculous. If they make it any louder, it should be considered a health hazard.

There is one sure fire way to not hear the horns. Don't let them score:D

[jc84chill]

The last time I heard the Hebron train horn was at the Wylie/Hebron matchup at Texas Stadium 2008. I thought the Wylie train horn was terrible, but the Hebron horn was just plain ridiculous. If they make it any louder, it should be considered a health hazard.

The first time I heard that horn AHMOst hit the deck. :eek:

[SLC93]

1st point, you congratulate roughly a month or two after the fact it seems. I don't remember you being around here much after the Hebron game last year and then making an apperance the week of CH and once again disappearing. This after spending all week talking trash about CH. Maybe I am wrong on that( your disappearing act) but that's what I recall.


If you'll bother to recall fact, my friend, both of those games took place during the later portion on my wife's pregnancy during which we had a few tense moments. So, respectfully, tend to things you actually know something about and stop with the half baked generalizations. The simple fact that I thought to congratulate them at all, under the circumstances, should be more than enough for you. I believe I was the first to congratulate Coppell and did so in over sized, red letters. Hope that was prompt enough for you.




This is the only thing you wrote that deserved a response. The rest, in my opinion, was nothing more than the ramblings of a man who struggles sometimes to differentiate fact from opinon and is often so blinded by his current compulsion that is incapable of realizing his wrongs. As for the above, well, lets just agree not to speak for awhile. Fair enough?

[farmerfan]

This is the only thing you wrote that deserved a response. The rest, in my opinion, was nothing more than the ramblings of a man who struggles sometimes to differentiate fact from opinon and is often so blinded by his current compulsion that is incapable of realizing his wrongs. As for the above, well, lets just agree not to speak for awhile. Fair enough?

My apologies for the comment about you disappearing then. I was in the wrong for that.

As for the rest of what you said, I find it funny how you and a few others in your fan base react when called on your excuse making and whining. Especially when you would have none of it from others who tried to do the same thing in the past. Now when you get called on it the reaction you have is, "was nothing more than the ramblings of a man who struggles sometimes to differentiate fact from opinon and is often so blinded by his current compulsion that is incapable of realizing his wrongs

Ok, sure whatever. This coming from the guy who saidThat guy? He wouldn't have even made a difference in his high school team's season in light of somebody talking about one of the injured. But one is wrong to interpret that as a knock on CH the team who beat ya, right? Ok. Yeah, I am the one who can't see my wrongs. I am the one who shouldn't allow something such as a comment like "Youth and Injuries led to a 3-2 district record" when you know clear and well how you and some of your other posters would have reacted if anything like that was said about any of the teams you beat during your incredible run.
I don't know why we should agree not to speak for a while. But if you say so, then fine. Cry about injuries all you want and I won't say anything about it.

[mad_fan]

Greatest DISTRICT analysis thread ever...
Thanks for the input...
:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

Greatest DISTRICT analysis thread ever...
Thanks for the input...
:rolleyes:

Thanks. Glad I could help:cool::Music:ninja:

[mad_fan]

Thanks. Glad I could help:cool::Music:ninja:

Carry on...my wayward son...:D

[farmerfan]

Carry on...my wayward son...:D

I promise there will be peace when I am done :D

[allendad]

I promise there will be peace when I am done :D


Now, that line right there is probably the most creative one EVER on this site!

Of course, that was a heck of a setup by mad_fan.


ff, I'm startin' to like ya!

It's been a long day . . . .
"lay your weary head to rest".


Sharp wit ma brutha!

[mojosoundwave]

Now, that line right there is probably the most creative one EVER on this site!

Of course, that was a heck of a setup by mad_fan.


ff, I'm startin' to like ya!

It's been a long day . . . .
"lay your weary head to rest".


Sharp wit ma brutha!

Dont cha cry no more! :ninja:

[farmerfan]

Now, that line right there is probably the most creative one EVER on this site!

Of course, that was a heck of a setup by mad_fan.


ff, I'm startin' to like ya!

It's been a long day . . . .
"lay your weary head to rest".


Sharp wit ma brutha!

Well, after all the confusion the noise brought forth by the Escadrille had set I had realized that the illusion of Allen winning a state title was actually not an illusion at all and I realized that your all were really SOARING ever higher:D

[farmerfan]

Now, that line right there is probably the most creative one EVER on this site!

Of course, that was a heck of a setup by mad_fan.


ff, I'm startin' to like ya!

It's been a long day . . . .
"lay your weary head to rest".


Sharp wit ma brutha!

Thank you sir. All it took to make me a believer in the Allen program was for you all to win a state title. You all did and took away some of my fun by doing so. That said, I have discussed this with SLC a few times and we both believe that the Allen program is getting ready to go on a nice little run. You all are far more fun to banter with than PWF is :D

[farmerfan]

Also to somewhat get the thread back on topic, despite my recent discussions of things that have been said in the past. I still think the admins got the pic right with Carroll taking the district. A few months ago I had projected Hebron to win district in the 6-5A thread but once I took into thought the road games Hebron must endure along with the home schedule the Dragons have then I think they(meaning Southlake) win the district. That could possibly lead to a second round showdown with Allen depending on how two of the schools from the suck turn out.
SLC93 and backer, I still love ya. :D

[KT2000]

Also to somewhat get the thread back on topic, despite my recent discussions of things that have been said in the past. I still think the admins got the pic right with Carroll taking the district. A few months ago I had projected Hebron to win district in the 6-5A thread but once I took into thought the road games Hebron must endure along with the home schedule the Dragons have then I think they(meaning Southlake) win the district. That could possibly lead to a second round showdown with Allen depending on how two of the schools from the suck turn out.
SLC93 and backer, I still love ya. :D

I would have picked Hebron #1, but I stubbed my toe on the door frame on the way back to the PC, fell to the floor, and chill capitalized on the opportunity to submarine the rankings. If I hadn't stubbed my toe...

[farmerfan]

I would have picked Hebron #1, but I stubbed by toe on the door frame on the way back to the PC, fell to the floor, and chill capitalized on the opportunity to submarine the rankings. If I hadn't stubbed my toe...

As firebird said a week ago or something, your humor is very underrated. Nicely done sir.

[slcdragonfan]

I would have picked Hebron #1, but I stubbed by toe on the door frame on the way back to the PC, fell to the floor, and chill capitalized on the opportunity to submarine the rankings. If I hadn't stubbed my toe...

Don't start with the injuries excuses....;)

[DrEdward]

Don't start with the injuries excuses....;)


:D:notworthy

[jc84chill]

Don't play the injury card on me... I capitalized on your lack of execution.

I was the better admin on the day.

[farmerfan]

Don't start with the injuries excuses....;)

So much for being done with a thread or topic, Jack ;):eek::D

[farmerfan]

Don't play the injury card on me.

I was the better admin on the day.

Too bad CH and Hebron can't say the same ;)

[DrEdward]

So much for being done with a thread or topic, Jack ;):eek::D

It was a fantastic line though, you have to admit.:cool:

[farmerfan]

It was a fantastic line though, you have to admit.:cool:

Sure. I am sure any, well I won't insert a name, could have pulled it off. definitely not mediocre and it met the standards to that of what we expect from you all :D

[DrEdward]

Sure. I am sure any, well I won't insert a name, could have pulled it off. definitely not mediocre and it met the standards to that of what we expect from you all :D

We try.

[farmerfan]

We try.

We know. Trust me, we know. :):notworthy

[slcdragonfan]

So much for being done with a thread or topic, Jack ;):eek::D

That one was just beggin' for it. I tried to resist, I really did. and the name is Mike.;)

[farmerfan]

That one was just beggin' for it. I tried to resist, I really did. and the name is Mike.;)

You're right, it was. Thanks Mike. The name here is David, ask some of the Katy fans and they will tell you I am a "Worthless Drunk" :D

[slcdragonfan]

You're right, it was. Thanks Mike. The name here is David, ask some of the Katy fans and they will tell you I am a "Worthless Drunk" :D

Sure that isn't true. Although some of your late night postings are historic. Epic even.:)

[jc84chill]

You're right, it was. Thanks Mike. The name here is David, ask some of the Katy fans and they will tell you I am a "Worthless Drunk" :D

That drunk knows more about Texas High School football than a lot of us. Only takes about 5 mins talking with you, drunk or not, to figure that out. :notworthy

At least you give us a heads up before the 1st bottle is popped, too :)

[farmerfan]

Sure that isn't true. Although some of your late night postings are historic. Epic even.:)

Can't be too epic, I am not from the land of higher standards, remember?
I say they are just mediocre;)

[slcdragonfan]

Can't be too epic, I am not from the land of higher standards, remember?
I say they are just mediocre;)

I grew up in Pasadena, Texas, land of the oil refinery, factories, and paper mill. Even worked at the paper mill for 2 years. Went to Sam Rayburn High School (check out THAT record). Baby, I KNOW mediocre. Those posts were epic.;)

[farmerfan]

I grew up in Pasadena, Texas, land of the oil refinery, factories, and paper mill. Even worked at the paper mill for 2 years. Went to Sam Rayburn High School (check out THAT record). Baby, I KNOW mediocre. Those posts were epic.;)

Then see, we would get along afterall. Please accept my apology for calling you a JA earlier. I know I was in the wrong and you were having some fun. I shouldnt have said it.
I have family from Lake Jackson so I understand what you mean by mediocre ;)

[twcpfan1]

I grew up in Pasadena, Texas, land of the oil refinery, factories, and paper mill. Even worked at the paper mill for 2 years. Went to Sam Rayburn High School (check out THAT record). Baby, I KNOW mediocre. Those posts were epic.;)

They do put on a pretty good gun show at the convention center though.

[slcdragonfan]

Then see, we would get along afterall. Please accept my apology for calling you a JA earlier. I know I was in the wrong and you were having some fun. I shouldnt have said it.
I have family from Lake Jackson so I understand what you mean by mediocre ;)

David, thanks for that. My apologies are required as well for going over the top, so please accept mine in return. Now, we gotta stop this love fest and get back to football.:)

I liked what you had to say about Marcus needing a QB who could fill out the package (balance run with the pass) and I agree. But don't they have a second RB there that could give them a nice 1-2 punch in the rushing game?

[svhorns]

I grew up in Pasadena, Texas, land of the oil refinery, factories, and paper mill. Even worked at the paper mill for 2 years. Went to Sam Rayburn High School (check out THAT record). Baby, I KNOW mediocre. Those posts were epic.;)

At least you're not a tool. If you look in the dictionary (farmer edition) under the word tool is where you'll see a picture of yours truly.

[slcdragonfan]

They do put on a pretty good gun show at the convention center though.

That's about all that's left, right? The paper mill and pulp mill are packed up and moved to somewhere in Indochina I hear. I forgot to mention, there are plenty of ice houses there. The old style ones.

[jc84chill]

You want to be on Farmer's good side. He knows many Georgia girls :)

[twcpfan1]

That's about all that's left, right? The paper mill and pulp mill are packed up and moved to somewhere in Indochina I hear.

Not really. Pasadena's a little wierd. You go to the old part and it looks like a 3rd world country. But you go along Fairmont close to the Convention Center and it's growing outta sight and actually appears to be quite pleasant.

[farmerfan]

David, thanks for that. My apologies are required as well for going over the top, so please accept mine in return. Now, we gotta stop this love fest and get back to football.:)

I liked what you had to say about Marcus needing a QB who could fill out the package (balance run with the pass) and I agree. But don't they have a second RB there that could give them a nice 1-2 punch in the rushing game?

Yes Marcus does have a second RB, he transferred in last season but was ruled ineligible to play varsity. From what I have been told and this is by a few very reliable sources who are very close to the Marcus program is that he is as big and faster than Hopkins, he will give Stephen an added rest but do not rest on Degan Newsome either. I love that kid. He is very quick and has a lot to offer. I will make it a point to go watch a few Marcus non-district games this fall to see what they have, I am a huge believer that if Marcus can develop a passing attack this year then they are going ot make a a lot of noise.
To be serious for once, I really like the way the teams in this district are shaping up. How fitting I type this about Marcus and I am listening to Green Days Holiday, a song the Marcus band plays very well. I will also say that MAARCUS has the best band in the district. :D

[farmerfan]

You want to be on Farmer's good side. He knows many Georgia girls :)

Here's what sucks Chill, I am nothing but "The Friend" to them. Then again I know most of them through somebody else ;):D

[farmerfan]

At least you're not a tool. If you look in the dictionary (farmer edition) under the word tool is where you'll see a picture of yours truly.

SV
I am pulling for UT right now. Is that worth anything? I have always loved UT baseball. I'M not lying when I say that either. UT wins tommorow night to capture number 7

[jc84chill]

Here's what sucks Chill, I am nothing but "The Friend" to them. Then again I know most of them through somebody else ;):D

Ya boy Chill would like to help out. I'm flyin' Han Solo these days.

Maybe we could try the "5ATXFB.com Fame" card, I haven't tried that one out.

And to stay on topic, somewhat, I will be interested in how well the young Marcus O-Line gels. I'd also like to hear how well the backup or 1A/1B QB, Brode Boyd (started in the secondary last year) can throw.

[farmerfan]

Ya boy Chill would like to help out. I'm flyin' Han Solo these days.

Maybe we could try the "5ATXFB.com Fame" card, I haven't tried that one out.

It just might work out. I have never used that one before. I will be meeting up with a lot of them in Knoxville this year. My best friend and I are driving to that one too so you are more the welcome to tag along with us. We already have a hotel room booked a half mile from Neyland.

[farmerfan]

David, thanks for that. My apologies are required as well for going over the top, so please accept mine in return. Now, we gotta stop this love fest and get back to football.:)

I liked what you had to say about Marcus needing a QB who could fill out the package (balance run with the pass) and I agree. But don't they have a second RB there that could give them a nice 1-2 punch in the rushing game?

Since I did not address one topic earlier I will now. One thing with me you or a lot of people will neve rhave to do is apologize. I never held anything against you. I dont hold anything against anybody. Despite what a lot of people might think about me, is that I am a really laid back person. I do accept your apology but just no for future references it is something that you will never have to do. I am a very forgiving person ;):)

[farmerfan]

Okay. I keep listening to a song that KT had to tell me what it was last year, it was during the Katy/Marcus game and the Marcus band broke out into it. I say this because I have a scary suspicion that Marcus is getting ready to turn it up. Here is the song and KT and the rest of trhe Katy fans will admit that the Marcus band plays it great....

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=OAR%20Wonderful%20day&sa=N&tab=wv&um=1#q=Green+Day+holiday&hl=en&emb=0

[mad_fan]

I need to stay up later...
And not miss out on these group hugs...

[SLC93]

I need to stay up later...
And not miss out on these group hugs...

I felt a little violated just reading all of that. Like a choir boy leaving confession, something just ain't right.

:D

[SLC93]

Also to somewhat get the thread back on topic, despite my recent discussions of things that have been said in the past. I still think the admins got the pic right with Carroll taking the district. A few months ago I had projected Hebron to win district in the 6-5A thread but once I took into thought the road games Hebron must endure along with the home schedule the Dragons have then I think they(meaning Southlake) win the district. That could possibly lead to a second round showdown with Allen depending on how two of the schools from the suck turn out.
SLC93 and backer, I still love ya. :D

The way the schedule breaks this season for Carroll is what tipped the scales for me, too, because I think both squads will be talented. Hebron's history tell us they will reload fully and I have a good feeling about the kids in green for 09. The qb decision in August could effect whether it's a 1st or 2nd place finish for us, though. Of course, so could Marcus, Coppell or Flower Mound! 6-5A is not to be trifled with, thats for sure.

[SLC93]

Don't start with the injuries excuses....;)

Oh, Farmer! Sorry man but that was freaking priceless!

:notworthy

[dragonpants]

Oh really. Here is a link to the Carroll thread that discussed the injuries between two posters.
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=38798&page=208
I could scan thousands of post by bkr and pants and a few more who have been saying injuries for the past two years.
Go to any discussion about the 07 Katy team and you will see them same thing being brought up about Riley.
Injuries are a poor excuse to use. You all never wanted to hear it from Allen when Dick went down in 06, or Lufkin when Claybon was lost the week before the Carroll game in 05, or from Katy in regards to Dalton having a broken finger in the 05 game or Trinity when their leading rusher Shannon Moore was injured in week 10 in 2006.
As for calming down, I am fine, the KT's are justified in putting anything they want but when you say, "Injuries and Youth led to a 3-2 district record and second round playoff exit" it is exactly what it is, they were saying that is why Carroll lost to the teams they did youth and injuries and not because they were not the better team. As for injuries being apart of a season, you are dang right, that's why using them as an excuse to losing or an early exit is not a justifiable cause. Nobody is saying how Trinity was without 3 key players and a very injured QB last year as to why they lost to Allen.

I finally got here, I have not been critical of the injuries, actually my criticism of last year was more on play calling and the fact that DP was doing a good job and IMO turned away from our traditional offense.

[bigdaddydog]

I felt a little violated just reading all of that. Like a choir boy leaving confession, something just ain't right.

:D

I can only imagine, but that must be what it's like to read one of those trashy romance novels.

I just can't figure out which one is which character. :eek::cool:

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[slcdragonfan]

I can only imagine, but that must be what it's like to read one of those trashy romance novels.

I just can't figure out which one is which character. :eek::cool:

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:rolleyes:

Now I ask you, who is the one who even knows what that is, much less posted a pic about it?;)

[SWMHebron]

:rolleyes:

Now I ask you, who is the one who even knows what that is, much less posted a pic about it?;)

I get into trashy romance novels as much as anyone and I wasn't even aware of this genre.:eek:

[slcdragonfan]

I get into trashy romance novels as much as anyone and I wasn't even aware of this genre.:eek:

BigDaddyDog got a secret....;):D

[SLC93]

I can only imagine, but that must be what it's like to read one of those trashy romance novels.

I just can't figure out which one is which character. :eek::cool:

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Greatness! My sister in law is a total smut novel addict. Freaking hilarious. Reminds me of the episode of Friends where Joey calls it girl porn.:D

[slcdragonfan]

Greatness! My sister in law is a total smut novel addict. Freaking hilarious. Reminds me of the episode of Friends where Joey calls it girl porn.:D

er, I think this is a bit different. The 'M/M' and pictures imply something completely different. Ummm, bigdaddydog, care to explain?:D

[DrEdward]

er, I think this is a bit different. The 'M/M' and pictures imply something completely different. Ummm, bigdaddydog, care to explain?:D

Please don't.

[SLC93]

er, I think this is a bit different. The 'M/M' and pictures imply something completely different. Ummm, bigdaddydog, care to explain?:D

Yeah, I was just gonna cruise right by that fact. Getting sick on the job kills productivity.:D

[slcdragonfan]

Please don't.

after further reflection, I second that statement.

[bigdaddydog]

Please don't.

Not gonna do it! Wouldn't be prudent...

Maybe I should have used this picture?:

http://ryanbarrett.typepad.com/cheapthrills/images/2007/11/12/bushskydive_2.jpg

it was either that picture or a picture of Fabio and that would have started another war between pants and ff arguing which one was most Fabio like.

Anyway back to football. What is the benefit to the program for Wasson or any other coach to reach the point where practically all the kids that are varsity have come through under that coach?

I don't want to be too specific about Wasson but keeping it to Region one coaches and their situations if we can. Is there really anything measurable? Or is it just the fact that the results are now totally owned by the Coach? No Excuses possible.


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[E-Vol-ution]

You bring up a very interesting point (not the Fabio thing).........I'm sure it is different for a program like SLC's kids having to run the cycle so to speak for a new coach to be most effective. Reason being that the SLC system hasn't changed it's identity, and it's tradition has been conducive to winning. I do think it has an effect on the seniors in that initial turnover (not to mention the parents) but that is more related to style and approach. Now that same application for Bowie is very important being that the kids that have run the cycle only know about winning.....and they expect more out of themselves. We would have to look and see if these past kids that did well under Coach P. did so out of initial hunger and being tired of losing. I believe these (initial) kids set the precedent and we are proceeding with kids only knowing Perry's system and program. Losing isn't an option.....that's just not us anymore.Not gonna do it! Wouldn't be prudent...

it was either that picture or a picture of Fabio and that would have started another war between pants and ff arguing which one was most Fabio like.

Anyway back to football. What is the benefit to the program for Wasson or any other coach to reach the point where practically all the kids that are varsity have come through under that coach?

I don't want to be too specific about Wasson but keeping it to Region one coaches and their situations if we can. Is there really anything measurable? Or is it just the fact that the results are now totally owned by the Coach? No Excuses possible.


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[bleedblue]

Call me a homer but I think this is the year Trinity does not win their district. I think Bell has what it takes this year to finally challenge Trinity for the district title.

[E-Vol-ution]

Homer..........:notworthyCall me a homer but I think this is the year Trinity does not win their district. I think Bell has what it takes this year to finally challenge Trinity for the district title.

[SLC13]

Call me a homer but I think this is the year Trinity does not win their district. I think Bell has what it takes this year to finally challenge Trinity for the district title.

Dreamer would be more accurate......:D

[mad_fan]

Call me a homer but I think this is the year Trinity does not win their district. I think Bell has what it takes this year to finally challenge Trinity for the district title.

You need a new avatar...:rolleyes:

[TrinityTrojan80]

Call me a homer but I think this is the year Trinity does not win their district. I think Bell has what it takes this year to finally challenge Trinity for the district title.



I realize Bell will be a pretty good team this year but what makes you think they could beat Trinity?

Trinity= best DL ever, some say
Trinity= most athletic QB ever
Trinity=return of POWER running game with the huge sophmore O-linemen
Trinity=possibly the best overall defense since 2006
Trinity=best RB's since 2005
Trinity=amazing TE
Trinity=LB will be a strength this year
Trinity=speed on the team is great this year!
Trinity=amazing depth again

Bell=best team in 10 years
Blue Bell= Great ice cream!
Bell=try again next year

I reserve the right to fall out of character when it comes to Bell!

Call me a homer too!:D

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

You need a new avatar...:rolleyes:

His avatar says it all. Need I say more?

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

I reserve the right to fall out of character when it comes to Bell!

Call me a homer too!:D
+1
It's a God given right that All Trinity Trojan Fans get to step out of our polite and respectful postings when referring to L D Bell.
If bleedblue wants to start this crap so early in the year, I'm ready.

[jbusch]

His avatar says it all. Need I say more?

Hey TTFFL - How's the hopin' working out for ya?:p

you're just scared of strong women!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[slcdragonfan]

Call me a homer but I think this is the year Trinity does not win their district. I think Bell has what it takes this year to finally challenge Trinity for the district title.

good luck with that...

[SLC93]

.

Anyway back to football. What is the benefit to the program for Wasson or any other coach to reach the point where practically all the kids that are varsity have come through under that coach?

I don't want to be too specific about Wasson but keeping it to Region one coaches and their situations if we can. Is there really anything measurable? Or is it just the fact that the results are now totally owned by the Coach? No Excuses possible.


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The benefit is that the program is now completely yours. None of the kids have a memory of another style or structure to reference. You are now all the program knows, all they know. It eliminates any doubts from the inside and keeps such thoughts outside the field house, in the community or in the stands.

And, yes, there can be no more excuses either. I think, though, that in many cases that is a good thing for the coach, having that pressure.

[NHB06]

The benefit is that the program is now completely yours. None of the kids have a memory of another style or structure to reference. You are now all the program knows, all they know. It eliminates any doubts from the inside and keeps such thoughts outside the field house, in the community or in the stands.

And, yes, there can be no more excuses either. I think, though, that in many cases that is a good thing for the coach, having that pressure.

So, if the current program does not meet the expectations of the community, what happens next?

[slcdragonfan]

So, if the current program does not meet the expectations of the community, what happens next?

Kind of depends upon 'why'? Were the expectations unrealistic? How well did we play? Lots of things to think about. That is a topic we should discuss in December....

[E-Vol-ution]

If the program is a continuation of the previous regime, the community better self reflect as to whether or not they have become Jerry Jones like and hand over the program and system style to a coach. Of course they will dump that coach that couldn't produce with "their" system.
If the program is the blueprint of that head coach....he's out of here, it was his baby.
So, if the current program does not meet the expectations of the community, what happens next?

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Kind of depends upon 'why'? Were the expectations unrealistic? How well did we play? Lots of things to think about. That is a topic we should discuss in December....
Just don't use the injury card.;)

[drgnbkr]

Just don't use the injury card.;)

Teams have injuries?

[farmerfan]

Just don't use the injury card.;)

thank you. God knows you all couldn't with Shannon Moore :cool:

[farmerfan]

Teams have injuries?

they do, there are some who even tried to argue from 04-06 that you all wouldn't have won a single state title if certain teams didn't have some key injuries. Of course you didn't want to ever hear it back then. Funny how things change with you.:eek::cool:

[drgnbkr]

they do, there are some who even tried to argue from 04-06 that you all wouldn't have won a single state title if certain teams didn't have some key injuries. Of course you didn't want to ever hear it back then. Funny how things change with you.:eek::cool:

Wouldn't have won a state title from 04 to 06? Who tried to argue that? I'm not changing, not even to please you!:p

[farmerfan]

Wouldn't have won a state title from 04 to 06? Who tried to argue that? I'm not changing, not even to please you!:p

Lets see, there were soime from SV who had either their starting RB and or LB out of a game they lost on a last second FG. They believed then had they been full strength thye would have won. You didn't believe it then.

In 05, Lufkin starting QB Jeremy Claybon goes out with a broken arm the week before the Carroll game, a game being played in East Texas. Lufkin still able to put up 20+ points but according to you it wouldn't have made a difference.
Katy's Andy Dalton though he played was playing with a broken hand or seomthing. Katy fans claimed it led to a 4 interception performance but according to you, that wouldnt have made a difference had he been healthy or not.

In 06 Trinity had a RB who led their team in rushing MIA in Shannon Moore. Of course though you do not believe he would have been enough of a difference for Trinity to overcome a point deficit.

So yes there were people who argued that from 04-06 you all beat some injury depleted teams that had they been full strength they would have beat the Dragons either in the state championship or before the state championshiop.

My personal thoughts on that are that injuries used as a reason you lost regardless of if you are a Carroll or Trinity or Lufkin fan is weak and unfair to the kids and the team that beat you. It was wrong fro the fans in the years above to say that to you all and it is wrong for you do to the same to other teams. By doing so you are basicly telling the kids who did bust their *** in the off-season and during the season that filled in for the injured, that they are not good enough and insulting them.

[drgnbkr]

Lets see, there were soime from SV who had either their starting RB and or LB out of a game they lost on a last second FG. They believed then had they been full strength thye would have won. You didn't believe it then.

In 05, Lufkin starting QB Jeremy Claybon goes out with a broken arm the week before the Carroll game, a game being played in East Texas. Lufkin still able to put up 20+ points but according to you it wouldn't have made a difference.
Katy's Andy Dalton though he played was playing with a broken hand or seomthing. Katy fans claimed it led to a 4 interception performance but according to you, that wouldnt have made a difference had he been healthy or not.

In 06 Trinity had a RB who led their team in rushing MIA in Shannon Moore. Of course though you do not believe he would have been enough of a difference for Trinity to overcome a point deficit.

So yes there were people who argued that from 04-06 you all beat some injury depleted teams that had they been full strength they would have beat the Dragons either in the state championship or before the state championshiop.

My personal thoughts on that are that injuries used as a reason you lost regardless of if you are a Carroll or Trinity or Lufkin fan is weak and unfair to the kids and the team that beat you. It was wrong fro the fans in the years above to say that to you all and it is wrong for you do to the same to other teams. By doing so you are basicly telling the kids who did bust their *** in the off-season and during the season that filled in for the injured, that they are not good enough and insulting them.

I doubt that there is any confusion on your thoughts...And with you stating mine for me, I doubt there is any confusion there either.:eek::p

[farmerfan]

I doubt that there is any confusion on your thoughts...And with you stating mine for me, I doubt there is any confusion there either.:eek::p

I have already shown you the comments you made about Shannon Moore and Trinity being out in 06. Funny how your tone on that issue did a complete 180 in 07 and 08 though. I can't go back to 04 since all the comments from then have been deleted but give it some time and I am positive I could find you taking issue with injuries being brough up in 05. So no, there is no confusion. I have a memory better than just about anybody you will ever meet outside of Southlake of course:cool::eek:

[slcdragonfan]

oh my god!!! Not again!!!

[drgnbkr]

I have already shown you the comments you made about Shannon Moore and Trinity being out in 06. Funny how your tone on that issue did a complete 180 in 07 and 08 though. I can't go back to 04 since all the comments from then have been deleted but give it some time and I am positive I could find you taking issue with injuries being brough up in 05. So no, there is no confusion. I have a memory better than just about anybody you will ever meet outside of Southlake of course:cool::eek:

Wait...surely no one outside of Southlake has memories...Or injuries for that matter...:p

[bigdaddydog]

Wait...surely no one outside of Southlake has memories...Or injuries for that matter...:p

I swear if you guys don't cut it out I'm gonna have to revoke your "Man Cards" !!! ;):p


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[E-Vol-ution]

True..........or make them hold their breathe until they turn blue (why should we suffer?).
I swear if you guys don't cut it out I'm gonna have to revoke your "Man Cards" !!! ;):p


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[farmerfan]

oh my god!!! Not again!!!

I'm ready to let it die when the others are. You know me enough now though that I will continue to defend my position on things regardless of how much the horse is beaten. Just the way I am. Sorry if that annoys the rest of the board. I ain't changing :cool::D

[farmerfan]

I swear if you guys don't cut it out I'm gonna have to revoke your "Man Cards" !!! ;):p


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Slorch and others have already attempted to do that to me with some of the music I actually enjoy listening to. You're about a year or two too late :p

[slcdragonfan]

I swear if you guys don't cut it out I'm gonna have to revoke your "Man Cards" !!! ;):p


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I'll say this, that beats the h3ll out of the last picture you posted. :)

[SLC93]

I'll say this, that beats the h3ll out of the last picture you posted. :)

Confirmed.:D

[longball]

Ya boy Chill would like to help out. I'm flyin' Han Solo these days.

Maybe we could try the "5ATXFB.com Fame" card, I haven't tried that one out.

And to stay on topic, somewhat, I will be interested in how well the young Marcus O-Line gels. I'd also like to hear how well the backup or 1A/1B QB, Brode Boyd (started in the secondary last year) can throw.
Dont know about the football, but he has a cannon arm in baseball