Conservative majority growing

[drgnbkr]

This one is always good fodder for the yard!:D


June 15, 2009
“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
Percentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90s
by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.

[15Adragon]

Yes it is. :Music:D:cool:

[slcdragonfan]

This one is always good fodder for the yard!:D


June 15, 2009
“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
Percentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90s
by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.

See, its the Moderates who are the swing vote. To get elected, the party that brings in the moderates wins. I proudly proclaim myself a significant swing voter, just right of centerline. Come pander to me, political parties....:D

[slorch]

This one is always good fodder for the yard!:D


June 15, 2009
“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
Percentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90s
by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.

Not that we had a conservative candidate to vote for in 2008, but Americans damn sure didn't follow their self-labels in the last election.

Something doesn't add up.

The moderates sure didn't vote for the moderate candidate.

[DragonWatcher]

This one is always good fodder for the yard!:D


June 15, 2009
“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group
Percentage of “liberals” higher this decade than in early ’90s
by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- Thus far in 2009, 40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This represents a slight increase for conservatism in the U.S. since 2008, returning it to a level last seen in 2004. The 21% calling themselves liberal is in line with findings throughout this decade, but is up from the 1990s.

You'd think republicans would be owning at the polls if that were the case. If not they seceded the entire 35% of moderates this last election to the dems lol.

[slorch]

You'd think republicans would be owning at the polls if that were the case. If not they seceded the entire 35% of moderates this last election to the dems lol.

The moderates voted for an extreme leftist then.

I llove folks that live by opinion rather than conviction...:rolleyes:

[15Adragon]

You'd think republicans would be owning at the polls if that were the case. If not they seceded the entire 35% of moderates this last election to the dems lol.

I think the Dems would have won the election with anyone as their candidate. McCain was weak at best. If things don't start getting better soon the Dems will have some losses in '10. I just don't see how they can get much better with potentially huge issues in Pakistan, Korea and Iran ...it could get really bad in a hurry. Let's face it Obama wasn't elected to be a wartime prez.

[dragonsdaddy]

I think the Dems would have won the election with anyone as their candidate. McCain was weak at best. If things don't start getting better soon the Dems will have some losses in '10. I just don't see how they can get much better with potentially huge issues in Pakistan, Korea and Iran ...it could get really bad in a hurry. Let's face it Obama wasn't elected to be a wartime prez.did anyone look at lincoln as the greatest wartime president ever, when he was elected from a backwater state like illinois? it is hard to predict how metal will respond to fire. some melt. others are tempered. let's pray we don't find out for many reasons.

[mad_fan]

Not that we had a conservative candidate to vote for in 2008, but Americans damn sure didn't follow their self-labels in the last election.

Something doesn't add up.

The moderates sure didn't vote for the moderate candidate.

I think a lot of moderates voted for what they thought would benefit them not necessarily the country...

[DragonWatcher]

I think the Dems would have won the election with anyone as their candidate. McCain was weak at best. If things don't start getting better soon the Dems will have some losses in '10. I just don't see how they can get much better with potentially huge issues in Pakistan, Korea and Iran ...it could get really bad in a hurry. Let's face it Obama wasn't elected to be a wartime prez.

He was voted in while 2 active wars are being fought... I'd say its safe to say he was elected as a wartime president.

[slorch]

He was voted in while 2 active wars are being fought... I'd say its safe to say he was elected as a wartime president.

Militarily speaking, i wouldn't follow that *&%&*er to lunch, much less trust his judgment as the steward of the military I served in. Oh well... I felt the same way about William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.

Good things the folks that serve do recognize their chains of command and have the courage to follow through, even with the idiot we have in office calling the shots.

When I pray that our country's leadership is blessed with the wisdom to make the right choices, I think God even laughs when I get to the BHO part.:(

[DragonWatcher]

Militarily speaking, i wouldn't follow that *&%&*er to lunch, much less trust his judgment as the steward of the military I served in. Oh well... I felt the same way about William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.

Good things the folks that serve do recognize their chains of command and have the courage to follow through, even with the idiot we have in office calling the shots.

When I pray that our country's leadership is blessed with the wisdom to make the right choices, I think God even laughs when I get to the BHO part.:(

So you think he made the wrong call with the troop level increase to afghanistan? or replacing McKiernan with McChrystal? I think he's actually handling the war quite well right now although bush deserves most credit for iraq.

[slorch]

So you think he made the wrong call with the troop level increase to afghanistan? or replacing McKiernan with McChrystal? I think he's actually handling the war quite well right now although bush deserves most credit for iraq.

Truthfully, I think his military strategy decisions have been the best part of his presidency so far, but I find him repulsive as the guy our troops must look to as their C.I.C.

If BHO is successful with any program that helps those with less, I would love to see more done for our military and vetrans financially, both during and after service. I am not talking from a personal POV, as I have what I need and utilized VA loans and GiBill for school, but I didn't have to support a family except the last year I served. I know some in the military stuggle mightily financially. This is not the fault of BHO, but, like I said, for a guy that supports putting people on the dole, I can think of no 2 groups more deserving.

You have a great point though, the substance far outweighs the style.

[slcdragonfan]

I think the Dems would have won the election with anyone as their candidate. McCain was weak at best. If things don't start getting better soon the Dems will have some losses in '10. I just don't see how they can get much better with potentially huge issues in Pakistan, Korea and Iran ...it could get really bad in a hurry. Let's face it Obama wasn't elected to be a wartime prez.

I don't think Hillary would have won, but perhaps that's because I don't like her.

[15Adragon]

He was voted in while 2 active wars are being fought... I'd say its safe to say he was elected as a wartime president.

true but I don't think the public voted him thinking of him as a wartime prez. I think they saw him as the fastest way out of war when in reality he is validating the positions taken by the previous admin.

[15Adragon]

I don't think Hillary would have won, but perhaps that's because I don't like her.

Me either, but I would take her over Obama.

I can't believe I said that.

[pied]

true but I don't think the public voted him thinking of him as a wartime prez. I think they saw him as the fastest way out of war when in reality he is validating the positions taken by the previous admin.

Seems odd to speak for other people. I did not. He stated that he would increase the focus on Afghanistan from Iraq. I think many Republican voters heard what they wanted to hear or what Rush told them.

[15Adragon]

Seems odd to speak for other people. I did not. He stated that he would increase the focus on Afghanistan from Iraq. I think many Republican voters heard what they wanted to hear or what Rush told them.

Maybe in the general election, but to win the primary he was the anti-war candidate otherwise Hillary is prez.

[pied]

Maybe in the general election, but to win the primary he was the anti-war candidate otherwise Hillary is prez.

Don't believe so, but I voted McCain in the primary so I wasn't paying as much attention to the other side.

[mad_fan]

Seems odd to speak for other people. I did not. He stated that he would increase the focus on Afghanistan from Iraq. I think many Republican voters heard what they wanted to hear or what Rush told them.

Many Republicans...mad included...don't listen to Rush...just sayin'...

[slorch]

Maybe in the general election, but to win the primary he was the anti-war candidate otherwise Hillary is prez.

IMO, it's still one of the alltime biggest choke jobs with Hillary not winning the nomination. Didn't hear a whole lot of folks framing it that way, lest they hurt their boy's political capital...

[mad_fan]

Maybe in the general election, but to win the primary he was the anti-war candidate otherwise Hillary is prez.

I voted Hill in the primary...did that thread get deleted???:D

[pied]

Many Republicans...mad included...don't listen to Rush...just sayin'...

And this past year many Republicans didn't vote for McCain. Just sayin.

[pied]

I voted Hill in the primary...did that thread get deleted???:D

nope. It's still around.


Remember...I voted for Hillary before Rush even had the idea...;)

[mad_fan]

nope. It's still around.

Thanks.:D

[mad_fan]

And this past year many Republicans didn't vote for McCain. Just sayin.

Is that the group you were speaking for??? Just asking...

[pied]

Is that the group you were speaking for??? Just asking...

I just speak for me. I would suggest asking the person who got broke up with why the person broke up with them, might not give you the most accurate of results.

[mad_fan]

I just speak for me. I would suggest asking the person who got broke up with why the person broke up with them, might not give you the most accurate of results.

I reread...and I'm still confused how 'thinking' (opinion)...got mixed up with 'speaking for others'...but I'll read it again later and it'll all be clear to me...

[slcdragonfan]

Me either, but I would take her over Obama.

I can't believe I said that.

I can't either.:)

[b756561]

did anyone look at lincoln as the greatest wartime president ever, when he was elected from a backwater state like illinois? it is hard to predict how metal will respond to fire. some melt. others are tempered. let's pray we don't find out for many reasons.

Whoa dragonsdaddy. I'm not sure if you are saying Lincoln was the best wartime president or not, but if you are, you need to do a tad bit more studying on the subject. Read what his wartime generals said about him, especially Meade. Read what the Supreme Court said when they had to (twice) slap him down for trying to do away with habius corpus in the United States. Read what his own cabinet had to say about him. Don't assume that just because he was killed in office that he was a great president. Think about it, what do you ever read about him other than that he was the president during the Civil War and that he was killed in Ford theater? Even his greatest known success, the freeing of the slaves, did not happen on his watch. The 13th. Amendment did not become effective until Nov. 1865, 7 months after Lincoln's death. As for the Emancipation Proclaimation, it didn't free any slaves in any state or territory controlled by Union forces. And of course where the Confederate forces held control (the only places where the Emancipation Proclaimation was supposed to have any effect) both Linco;n and his proclaimation were ignored. Yes, he did many good things, but to say he was our greatest wartime president is just not factual, as least not in my opinion. Actually as much as I dislike him, I think Franklin D. Roosevelt was our greatest wartime president. Again, personal opinion.

[ktCarl]

He was voted in while 2 active wars are being fought... I'd say its safe to say he was elected as a wartime president.


It was his wartime stance that people had elected him. Pull out of Iraq was the mantra but, we are still in Iraq, Pakistan and he commited more troops to Afghanistan.

[pied]

It was his wartime stance that people had elected him. Pull out of Iraq was the mantra but, we are still in Iraq, Pakistan and he commited more troops to Afghanistan.

I believe he has extended the length oftime for combat troops in Iraq bysix months. Never said all out. I told you guys that last summer, when I started listening to what he was saying and not just what people said he stated. We didn't build the biggest embassy in the world to not be there at all.

[the_phoenix612]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m261/killerrabbit612/Untitled-14.jpg

There's your problem....:rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

Whoa dragonsdaddy. I'm not sure if you are saying Lincoln was the best wartime president or not, but if you are, you need to do a tad bit more studying on the subject. Read what his wartime generals said about him, especially Meade. Read what the Supreme Court said when they had to (twice) slap him down for trying to do away with habius corpus in the United States. Read what his own cabinet had to say about him. Don't assume that just because he was killed in office that he was a great president. Think about it, what do you ever read about him other than that he was the president during the Civil War and that he was killed in Ford theater? Even his greatest known success, the freeing of the slaves, did not happen on his watch. The 13th. Amendment did not become effective until Nov. 1865, 7 months after Lincoln's death. As for the Emancipation Proclaimation, it didn't free any slaves in any state or territory controlled by Union forces. And of course where the Confederate forces held control (the only places where the Emancipation Proclaimation was supposed to have any effect) both Linco;n and his proclaimation were ignored. Yes, he did many good things, but to say he was our greatest wartime president is just not factual, as least not in my opinion. Actually as much as I dislike him, I think Franklin D. Roosevelt was our greatest wartime president. Again, personal opinion.
you are basing yopur arguments on complaints from idiots like meade. lincoln was hamstrung with the dregs as all the real warriors went south. the average yank general before grant was worse than worthless.

he was doing whatever it took to accomplish his goal of re-uniting the union.
wars were fought to win in those days. today, not so much.

[drgnbkr]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m261/killerrabbit612/Untitled-14.jpg

There's your problem....:rolleyes:

I don't believe the poll or anyone else mentioned parties....The important thing is that the country is firmly and growing more so, rooted in conservative ideals. A candidate will emerge that will carry that mantle forward and help get some sanity back into what is a clearly chaotic government. I personally don't think it will matter what the candidate calls themselves, the message will resonate with the majority.

[DragonWatcher]

I don't believe the poll or anyone else mentioned parties....The important thing is that the country is firmly and growing more so, rooted in conservative ideals. A candidate will emerge that will carry that mantle forward and help get some sanity back into what is a clearly chaotic government. I personally don't think it will matter what the candidate calls themselves, the message will resonate with the majority.

As it did in the last election.

[drgnbkr]

As it did in the last election.

Prior to the last election no one had any idea just how bad it was going to be under obama's rule...The flowery speeches (lipstick) can no longer hide the fact that this guy is a pig...Looked at the economy lately? Really listened to what they want to do to healthcare? How's the auto industry?

[DragonWatcher]

Prior to the last election no one had any idea just how bad it was going to be under obama's rule...The flowery speeches (lipstick) can no longer hide the fact that this guy is a pig...Looked at the economy lately? Really listened to what they want to do to healthcare? How's the auto industry?

If I'm not mistaken the economy had tanked before he was elected and the auto industry was in shambles. Considering half the country favors universal healthcare also I just don't see this conservative "majority" that everyone keeps talking about

[drgnbkr]

If I'm not mistaken the economy had tanked before he was elected and the auto industry was in shambles. Considering half the country favors universal healthcare also I just don't see this conservative "majority" that everyone keeps talking about

Keep on thinking that way...It really isn't about the economy tanking..it's what you do about it...Running up an unheard of deficit, borrowing us into oblivion, nationalizing health care, and private businesses has nowhere near 50% support. Obama has no experience other than as a speaker and it is showing badly. The honeymoon of 60% approval ratings is nearly over.

[JagFan]

Keep on thinking that way...It really isn't about the economy tanking..it's what you do about it...Running up an unheard of deficit, borrowing us into oblivion, nationalizing health care, and private businesses has nowhere near 50% support. Obama has no experience other than as a speaker and it is showing badly. The honeymoon of 60% approval ratings are nearly over.

80% want to sell stake in GM now. and only 41% support the healthcare, 41% don't want it. I think that number will change when people hear what it will really cost.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

[DrEdward]

If I'm not mistaken the economy had tanked before he was elected and the auto industry was in shambles. Considering half the country favors universal healthcare also I just don't see this conservative "majority" that everyone keeps talking about

It is not that many folks oppose "universal healthcare," since it is provided for today to various degrees. So attempting to measure the size of the conservative population by that standard is likely not a valid measurement. The issue is what should be the mechamism for providing such care and how should it be paid for. Considering the price tag attached to only a partial coverage of current uninsured, demanding yet another trillion dollars be spent is quite a risky proposition in this economic condition.

[DragonWatcher]

It is not that many folks oppose "universal healthcare," since it is provided for today to various degrees. So attempting to measure the size of the conservative population by that standard is likely not a valid measurement. The issue is what should be the mechamism for providing such care and how should it be paid for. Considering the price tag attached to only a partial coverage of current uninsured, demanding yet another trillion dollars be spent is quite a risky proposition in this economic condition.

I don't disagree, but saying there is a conservative majority in this country at this moment is laughable.

[DrEdward]

I don't disagree, but saying there is a conservative majority in this country at this moment is laughable.

No, the country seems fairly evenly divided to me, About 25% on the extreme left (even though some would not admit to being there, their actions suggest otherwise) and the same on the right. With the balance of the population residing in the center as to the role and scope of governmental actions.

[mad_fan]

I don't disagree, but saying there is a conservative majority in this country at this moment is laughable.

On what issue???
Saying there isn't...across-the-board...is laughable...

[drgnbkr]

I don't disagree, but saying there is a conservative majority in this country at this moment is laughable.

Tell it to the Gallup organization...it is their poll and it has been consistent for some time...

[RedRage00]

Tell it to the Gallup organization...it is there poll and it has been consistent for some time...

Except when Phoenix post a Gallup Poll....then its crap. :)

[slorch]

Prior to the last election no one had any idea just how bad it was going to be under obama's rule..

i call BS. Many folks told you why it was going to be bad from the time he started running for the Dem Nomination.

[DragonWatcher]

Tell it to the Gallup organization...it is there poll and it has been consistent for some time...

There is an important distinction in the respective ideological compositions of the Republican and Democratic Parties. While a solid majority of Republicans are on the same page -- 73% call themselves conservative -- Democrats are more of a mixture. The major division among Democrats is between self-defined moderates (40%) and liberals (38%). However, an additional 22% of Democrats consider themselves conservative, much higher than the 3% of Republicans identifying as liberal.

True to their nonpartisan tendencies, close to half of political independents -- 45% -- describe their political views as "moderate." Among the rest, the balance of views is tilted more heavily to the right than to the left: 34% are conservative, while 20% are liberal.

Gallup trends show a slight increase since 2008 in the percentages of all three party groups calling themselves "conservative," which accounts for the three percentage-point increase among the public at large.

Thus far in 2009, Gallup has found an average of 36% of Americans considering themselves Democratic, 28% Republican, and 37% independent. When independents are pressed to say which party they lean toward, 51% of Americans identify as Democrats, 39% as Republicans, and only 9% as pure independents.

Ideological tendencies by leaned party affiliation are very similar to those of straight partisan groups. However, it is worth noting the views of pure independents -- a group usually too small to analyze in individual surveys but potentially important in deciding elections. Exactly half of pure independents describe their views as moderate, 30% say they are conservative, and 17% liberal.

Although the terms may mean different things to different people, Americans readily peg themselves, politically, into one of five categories along the conservative-to-liberal spectrum. At present, large minorities describe their views as either moderate or conservative -- with conservatives the larger group -- whereas only about one in five consider themselves liberal.

While these figures have shown little change over the past decade, the nation appears to be slightly more polarized than it was in the early 1990s. Compared with the 1992-1994 period, the percentage of moderates has declined from 42% to 35%, while the percentages of conservatives and liberals are up slightly -- from 38% to 40% for conservatives and a larger 17% to 21% movement for liberals.



That's all from the gallup poll your citing. The point isn't self identification as conservative or liberal. 22% of democrats consider themselves conservative. Look at party identification, that's a more telling sign.

[15Adragon]

No, the country seems fairly evenly divided to me, About 25% on the extreme left (even though some would not admit to being there, their actions suggest otherwise) and the same on the right. With the balance of the population residing in the center as to the role and scope of governmental actions.

I have no problem admitting where I am. :D

[RedRage00]

I have no problem admitting where I am. :D

Yeah, I believe that the 25% on the extreme right post on 5A...with GoOwls as their leader. :D

[15Adragon]

Yeah, I believe that the 25% on the extreme right post on 5A...with GoOwls as their leader. :D

I am on the right, but I don't need help forming my own opinions. It is all so very clear to me. As Col Jessup (Jack Nicholson) said in his famous line "..crystal clear..". (except in Iran, North Korea, etc..) ;)

[drgnbkr]

i call BS. Many folks told you why it was going to be bad from the time he started running for the Dem Nomination.

I'm talking about those that were taken in and actually voted for the messiah...Does not include the likes of me!

[drgnbkr]

There is an important distinction in the respective ideological compositions of the Republican and Democratic Parties. While a solid majority of Republicans are on the same page -- 73% call themselves conservative -- Democrats are more of a mixture. The major division among Democrats is between self-defined moderates (40%) and liberals (38%). However, an additional 22% of Democrats consider themselves conservative, much higher than the 3% of Republicans identifying as liberal.

True to their nonpartisan tendencies, close to half of political independents -- 45% -- describe their political views as "moderate." Among the rest, the balance of views is tilted more heavily to the right than to the left: 34% are conservative, while 20% are liberal.

Gallup trends show a slight increase since 2008 in the percentages of all three party groups calling themselves "conservative," which accounts for the three percentage-point increase among the public at large.

Thus far in 2009, Gallup has found an average of 36% of Americans considering themselves Democratic, 28% Republican, and 37% independent. When independents are pressed to say which party they lean toward, 51% of Americans identify as Democrats, 39% as Republicans, and only 9% as pure independents.

Ideological tendencies by leaned party affiliation are very similar to those of straight partisan groups. However, it is worth noting the views of pure independents -- a group usually too small to analyze in individual surveys but potentially important in deciding elections. Exactly half of pure independents describe their views as moderate, 30% say they are conservative, and 17% liberal.

Although the terms may mean different things to different people, Americans readily peg themselves, politically, into one of five categories along the conservative-to-liberal spectrum. At present, large minorities describe their views as either moderate or conservative -- with conservatives the larger group -- whereas only about one in five consider themselves liberal.

While these figures have shown little change over the past decade, the nation appears to be slightly more polarized than it was in the early 1990s. Compared with the 1992-1994 period, the percentage of moderates has declined from 42% to 35%, while the percentages of conservatives and liberals are up slightly -- from 38% to 40% for conservatives and a larger 17% to 21% movement for liberals.



That's all from the gallup poll your citing. The point isn't self identification as conservative or liberal. 22% of democrats consider themselves conservative. Look at party identification, that's a more telling sign.

Again, you are defaulting to party affiliations...Poll is about conservative / liberal.

[DragonWatcher]

Again, you are defaulting to party affiliations...Poll is about conservative / liberal.

Read the entire poll... It was wasn't juist about con/lib

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx

[GoOwls]

Yeah, I believe that the 25% on the extreme right post on 5A...with GoOwls as their leader. :D

Oooooooooo..... and a cheap shot gets fired across the bow from a closet on Cedar Springs.....;)

[the_phoenix612]

Boy, for a party allegedly supporting traditional values, Republicans do a pretty crappy job of not screwing around....

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/sanford-admits-he-has-been-unfaithfu

[RedRage00]

Boy, for a party allegedly supporting traditional values, Republicans do a pretty crappy job of not screwing around....

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/sanford-admits-he-has-been-unfaithfu

That's nothing.

You should see all the Republican married dads that hit on me on a weekly basis. ;):D

[Dawg Fan]

Boy, for a party allegedly supporting traditional values, Republicans do a pretty crappy job of not screwing around....

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/sanford-admits-he-has-been-unfaithfu

wow a far left site....what a freaking shock. Type in democrat hypocrisy......wait, we really don't have the time for that:rolleyes:

[RedRage00]

Both dems and repubs have politicians that are unfaithful. It's just funnier when its a repub because they are always trying to be holier than thou and telling people what is immoral and how to live their lives.

[RedRage00]

wow a far left site....what a freaking shock. Type in democrat hypocrisy......wait, we really don't have the time for that:rolleyes:

Everything is hypocrisy to you. Did you just learn that word?

lol

[DrEdward]

I have to say I don't see very much funny in the current situation. These things always are bad news, no matter who is involved, republicans, democrats, libertarians or any other label. But when there are children who must go through this as well, it is much worse.

P.S. No offense intended rr, as I don't think you meant funny as in humorous, at least I hope you didn't.

[15Adragon]

I have to say I don't see very much funny in the current situation. These things always are bad news, no matter who is involved, republicans, democrats, libertarians or any other label. But when there are children who must go through this as well, it is much worse.

This. I feel for his 4 boys. It is never fun to hear this stuff.

[the_phoenix612]

I have to say I don't see very much funny in the current situation. These things always are bad news, no matter who is involved, republicans, democrats, libertarians or any other label. But when there are children who must go through this as well, it is much worse.

P.S. No offense intended rr, as I don't think you meant funny as in humorous, at least I hope you didn't.

oh please.

If this had been a Democratic governor, you'd cry from here to the moon about how immoral Democrats today are and how this is a clear sign of the moral decline of our "once great nation" or some other bull.

Your hypocrisy is transparent and you're not gonna get away with it.

[JagFan]

oh please.

If this had been a Democratic governor, you'd cry from here to the moon about how immoral Democrats today are and how this is a clear sign of the moral decline of our "once great nation" or some other bull.

Your hypocrisy is transparent and you're not gonna get away with it.

No. It is sad when something like this happens to ANY family. I will not try to excuse this behavior for anyone. It does not matter the political affiliations, race, or gender. It is a sad situation all the way around.

[mad_fan]

oh please.

If this had been a Democratic governor, you'd cry from here to the moon about how immoral Democrats today are and how this is a clear sign of the moral decline of our "once great nation" or some other bull.

Your hypocrisy is transparent and you're not gonna get away with it.

That's just silly...what are you going to do about his opinion???

[mad_fan]

Boy, for a party allegedly supporting traditional values, Republicans do a pretty crappy job of not screwing around....

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/sanford-admits-he-has-been-unfaithfu

So WE get to pick one guy from your side that represents YOUR party???

[RedRage00]

oh please.

If this had been a Democratic governor, you'd cry from here to the moon about how immoral Democrats today are and how this is a clear sign of the moral decline of our "once great nation" or some other bull.

Your hypocrisy is transparent and you're not gonna get away with it.

dawgfan, is that you? :D

[RedRage00]

I have to say I don't see very much funny in the current situation. These things always are bad news, no matter who is involved, republicans, democrats, libertarians or any other label. But when there are children who must go through this as well, it is much worse.

P.S. No offense intended rr, as I don't think you meant funny as in humorous, at least I hope you didn't.

Oh no...I'm not laughing at the situation. I think it's pretty sad all around, especially for the wife and kids. I may be gay and people think I am evil for it but I still believe in monogomy. I am very old fashioned when it comes to dating and relationships.

This guy needs to get his balls cut off.

[chhspantherfan]

Oh no...I'm not laughing at the situation. I think it's pretty sad all around, especially for the wife and kids. I may be gay and people think I am evil for it but I still believe in monogomy. I am very old fashioned when it comes to dating and relationships.

This guy needs to get his balls cut off.

is that you, Lorena Bobbit?:eek:

[RedRage00]

is that you, Lorena Bobbit?:eek:

Maybe...don't mess with me. :eek::D

[chhspantherfan]

Maybe...don't mess with me. :eek::D

Don't you worry, there is not a chance. :D

[chhspantherfan]

interesting quote i just stumbled across


"The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery." -- Winston Churchill

[cougmantx]

The reality of married life today is that there is a 50/50 chance that one or both spouses will cheat sometime during a marriage. The fact that we tend to ignore or minimize the statistics is one reason we are in the position we are in. I disagree with Stanford on almost all issues but the fact that he behaved in the manner that he did with the affair is between his wife, family and himself. The fact that he was AWOL from state business is another matter all together.

[RedRage00]

Don't you worry, there is not a chance. :D

You're out of my age range ;) :D

[the_phoenix612]

The reality of married life today is that there is a 50/50 chance that one or both spouses will cheat sometime during a marriage. The fact that we tend to ignore or minimize the statistics is one reason we are in the position we are in. I disagree with Stanford on almost all issues but the fact that he behaved in the manner that he did with the affair is between his wife, family and himself. The fact that he was AWOL from state business is another matter all together.

And what do you think of the fact that he spent over $21,000 of taxpayer money to visit South America?

[JagFan]

And what do you think of the fact that he spent over $21,000 of taxpayer money to visit South America?

Since this came to light yesterday, I have not heard one person try to excuse or justify this. It is appalling and he should have to pay it back. Just as Obama should pay for his own dates with his wife. He gets a salary for that kind of stuff.

[the_phoenix612]

Since this came to light yesterday, I have not heard one person try to excuse or justify this. It is appalling and he should have to pay it back. Just as Obama should pay for his own dates with his wife. He gets a salary for that kind of stuff.

So it shouldn't be just between him and his wife:confused:

[JagFan]

So it shouldn't be just between him and his wife:confused:

The affair yes, his disappearing on the state dime no. I don't look to see what letter is after the name when people abuse their power or spend money from the taxpayer on stuff like that. Wrong is wrong period.

[the_phoenix612]

The affair yes, his disappearing on the state dime no. I don't look to see what letter is after the name when people abuse their power or spend money from the taxpayer on stuff like that. Wrong is wrong period.

Apparently FauxNews thinks you will

http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2009/06/Sanford-D_f3174.JPG

[cougmantx]

And what do you think of the fact that he spent over $21,000 of taxpayer money to visit South America?

It has been reported that he was on legitimate business with the state when he visited Argentina. The press will use this to fuel more discontent among the voters. How many other Congressmen, Senators or other elected officials use taxpayer money to visit countries in attempts to promote their states, city or country?

Remember, I disagree with this man on just about everything. I am not trying to defend him. I am just stating that he is human and his personal life outside of molesting children or breaking other laws is between him and his family.

The Republicans brought much of this on them selves with the witch hunts they have conducted only to fall into their own trap. I think it is time we get out of the personal lives and base our votes on their representation of the voters that put them there.

[JagFan]

Apparently FauxNews thinks you will

http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2009/06/Sanford-D_f3174.JPG

Thinks I will what? I haven't heard anyone from Fox excusing him.

[Firebird]

And what do you think of the fact that he spent over $21,000 of taxpayer money to visit South America?

It's not yet clear whether or not he was admiring Argentinian tan lines on those trips.

[mad_fan]

Apparently FauxNews thinks you will

http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2009/06/Sanford-D_f3174.JPG

I don't understand what the fight you are trying to pick is all about???

[Firebird]

Thinks I will what? I haven't heard anyone from Fox excusing him.

Note the (letter) after his name on the screenshot. LOL.

[mad_fan]

It's not yet clear whether or not he was admiring Argentinian tan lines on those trips.

I let that slide...well...because phoenix posted it so it must be true...

[mad_fan]

Note the (letter) after his name on the screenshot. LOL.

Does that make him a D now???
How about if phoenix says he is???:rolleyes:

[Firebird]

This whole story is worthless without pics. You can' release letters about tan lines, et. al. without pics......;)

How long before pictures of the lady get out? I am kinda surprised they have not yet.

[JagFan]

This whole story is worthless without pics. You can' release letters about tan lines, et. al. without pics......;)

How long before pictures of the lady get out? I am kinda surprised they have not yet.

I am too. I am sure they will be out soon. To include that tan line pics for you;)

[mad_fan]

At least we can count on phoenix misleading us like a politician...
From the same article...

http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2006/10/Foley-BO-Dem.jpg

http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2007/07/specter-democrat-hume.jpg

http://static.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2008/02/mccaind-j.jpg

http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/shocking-fox-news-labels-disgraced-re

SHOCKING: Fox News Labels Disgraced Republican Mark Sanford -- A Democrat
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Jun 24, 2009 3:00pm

[JOH]

oh please.

If this had been a Democratic governor, you'd cry from here to the moon about how immoral Democrats today are and how this is a clear sign of the moral decline of our "once great nation" or some other bull.

Your hypocrisy is transparent and you're not gonna get away with it.

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/uncle-sam/images/stop-whining.jpg

[chhspantherfan]

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/uncle-sam/images/stop-whining.jpg

Good luck with that;)

[Mong Hu]

So WE get to pick one guy from your side that represents YOUR party???

oooooh oooooh oooooh!!!!

I pick Barney Frank (hired a male prostitute, then gave the prostitute a job on his staff, then let the prostitute use the congressman's house for his "Business", and now is the chair of the House Financial Services Committe)

No No I mean Bill Clinton (Do I really need to get into this?)

Oh wait I got it Ted Kennedy. Nevermind we will just have to drive off that bridge when we get to it later.

In my mind the difference between the Republican and Democratic party is that Republicans who are guilty of the types of things that these men are guilty of resign or finish their careers in disgrace. In the Democratic Party these men are made the "Lions" of the party. The Republicans are vulnerable to the charge of hypocrisy because they try to live and/or advocate for a moral standard and fall short. The Democrats are not hypocritical because they never make the attempt (at least as a party I do believe that their are individuals with in the party who make the attempt). It is better to try and fail than to never try at all.

[chhspantherfan]

oooooh oooooh oooooh!!!!

I pick Barney Frank (hired a male prostitute, then gave the prostitute a job on his staff, then let the prostitute use the congressman's house for his "Business", and now is the chair of the House Financial Services Committe)

No No I mean Bill Clinton (Do I really need to get into this?)

Oh wait I got it Ted Kennedy. Nevermind we will just have to drive off that bridge when we get to it later.

is that your Horshak imitation?:D

[Mong Hu]

is that your Horshak imitation?:D

Horshak was my favorite character on that show. I remember growing up and my dad watching that show religiously. It was a great show.

[chhspantherfan]

Horshak was my favorite character on that show. I remember growing up and my dad watching that show religiously. It was a great show.

likewise. With only the three networks and some local UHF programming, we looked forward to seeing our favorite shows and planned family watching time.

[dragonsdaddy]

is that your Horshak imitation?:D
who, of course stole it from a character on sgt bilco, i think. man, i'm old.

[chhspantherfan]

who, of course stole it from a character on sgt bilco, i think. man, i'm old.

was he the one with the big glasses?

[drgnbkr]

oooooh oooooh oooooh!!!!

I pick Barney Frank (hired a male prostitute, then gave the prostitute a job on his staff, then let the prostitute use the congressman's house for his "Business", and now is the chair of the House Financial Services Committe)

No No I mean Bill Clinton (Do I really need to get into this?)

Oh wait I got it Ted Kennedy. Nevermind we will just have to drive off that bridge when we get to it later.

In my mind the difference between the Republican and Democratic party is that Republicans who are guilty of the types of things that these men are guilty of resign or finish their careers in disgrace. In the Democratic Party these men are made the "Lions" of the party. The Republicans are vulnerable to the charge of hypocrisy because they try to live and/or advocate for a moral standard and fall short. The Democrats are not hypocritical because they never make the attempt (at least as a party I do believe that their are individuals with in the party who make the attempt). It is better to try and fail than to never try at all.

:notworthy:notworthy

[Firebird]

oooooh oooooh oooooh!!!!

I pick Barney Frank (hired a male prostitute, then gave the prostitute a job on his staff, then let the prostitute use the congressman's house for his "Business", and now is the chair of the House Financial Services Committe)

No No I mean Bill Clinton (Do I really need to get into this?)

Oh wait I got it Ted Kennedy. Nevermind we will just have to drive off that bridge when we get to it later.

In my mind the difference between the Republican and Democratic party is that Republicans who are guilty of the types of things that these men are guilty of resign or finish their careers in disgrace. In the Democratic Party these men are made the "Lions" of the party. The Republicans are vulnerable to the charge of hypocrisy because they try to live and/or advocate for a moral standard and fall short. The Democrats are not hypocritical because they never make the attempt (at least as a party I do believe that their are individuals with in the party who make the attempt). It is better to try and fail than to never try at all.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the last Republican Presidential candidate was a man who started dating his current, rich, hot wife while still married and living with his first model, who had gotten fat after a car accident. Oh yeah, he boned a bunch of other chicks before that, too.

[slcdragonfan]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the last Republican Presidential candidate was a man who started dating his current, rich, hot wife while still married and living with his first model, who had gotten fat after a car accident. Oh yeah, he boned a bunch of other chicks before that, too.

:(:rolleyes:

Yeah, lets just make the point that some men in power have a tendency to go astray. It is not constrained to either party, and it is handled similarly across the board. Gingrich? Kennedy? Clinton? Roosevelt? Ike? and so on...

I think that kind of crudity just destroys the points you make.

[Firebird]

:(:rolleyes:

Yeah, lets just make the point that some men in power have a tendency to go astray. It is not constrained to either party, and it is handled similarly across the board. Gingrich? Kennedy? Clinton? Roosevelt? Ike? and so on...

I think that kind of crudity just destroys the points you make.

The crude language was used specifically to illustrate the type of behavior engaged in. True, it is not constrained to any party, and the GOP doesn't do much better on the accountability front, either.

[mad_fan]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the last Republican Presidential candidate was a man who started dating his current, rich, hot wife while still married and living with his first model, who had gotten fat after a car accident. Oh yeah, he boned a bunch of other chicks before that, too.

Moral superiority goes to the D's and Firebird...

[Firebird]

Moral superiority goes to the D's and Firebird...

I believe it was Mong Hu trying to claim the high ground for the (R's) with the accountability trope.....But your selective reading is....unsurprising....

[drgnbkr]

The crude language was used specifically to illustrate the type of behavior engaged in. True, it is not constrained to any party, and the GOP doesn't do much better on the accountability front, either.

Sorry, but that was the point of his post...they do better on the accountability front as a whole, whereas the libs pretty much say "so what" and generally get away with it, which is more of a commentary on society.

[Firebird]

Sorry, but that was the point of his post...they do better on the accountability front as a whole, whereas the libs pretty much say "so what" and generally get away with it, which is more of a commentary on society.

You mean get away with it in the sense of a decades long career in the senate and recieving your party's nomination for president? Like the last (R) candidate?

[drgnbkr]

You mean get away with it in the sense of a decades long career in the senate and recieving your party's nomination for president? Like the last (R) candidate?

I didn't like McCain either, but that would be the least of my reasons...Kennedy gives us so much to dislike!

[chhspantherfan]

Moral superiority goes to the D's and Firebird...

i thought it was moral equivalency that they were after:rolleyes:

[DrEdward]

oh please.

If this had been a Democratic governor, you'd cry from here to the moon about how immoral Democrats today are and how this is a clear sign of the moral decline of our "once great nation" or some other bull.

Your hypocrisy is transparent and you're not gonna get away with it.

Grow up little boy.

[85Roughneck]

Not that we had a conservative candidate to vote for in 2008, but Americans damn sure didn't follow their self-labels in the last election.

Something doesn't add up.

The moderates sure didn't vote for the moderate candidate.

this !!! and THIS !!!

[chhspantherfan]

Grow up little boy.

I said that the other day to him. But, I think it was another thread

[JMSFan]

So it shouldn't be just between him and his wife:confused:

and his mistress.

[mad_fan]

I believe it was Mong Hu trying to claim the high ground for the (R's) with the accountability trope.....But your selective reading is....unsurprising....

Not selective...comprehensive...try it some time...;)
An R or a D leaving his/her job after being "exposed" for wrongdoing IS NOT credit to the PARTY but credit to the INDIVIDUAL...

[the_phoenix612]

Grow up little boy.

mature.

wanna address the point?

[DragonWatcher]

He had a conservative mind but a liberal *****... the downfall of many a man in the republican party.

[Firebird]

Not selective...comprehensive...try it some time...;)
An R or a D leaving his/her job after being "exposed" for wrongdoing IS NOT credit to the PARTY but credit to the INDIVIDUAL...

Mong Hu
In my mind the difference between the Republican and Democratic party is that Republicans who are guilty of the types of things that these men are guilty of resign or finish their careers in disgrace. In the Democratic Party these men are made the "Lions" of the party. The Republicans are vulnerable to the charge of hypocrisy because they try to live and/or advocate for a moral standard and fall short. The Democrats are not hypocritical because they never make the attempt (at least as a party I do believe that their are individuals with in the party who make the attempt). It is better to try and fail than to never try at all.

I think I will stick with "selective", since it's pretty obvious here that they guy was giving credit to the PARTY...and not the INDIVIDUAL:rolleyes:

[mad_fan]

Mong Hu


I think I will stick with "selective", since it's pretty obvious here that they guy was giving credit to the PARTY...and not the INDIVIDUAL:rolleyes:


In my mind the difference between the Republican and Democratic party is that Republicans who are guilty of the types of things that these men are guilty of resign or finish their careers in disgrace. In the Democratic Party these men are made the "Lions" of the party. The Republicans are vulnerable to the charge of hypocrisy because they try to live and/or advocate for a moral standard and fall short. The Democrats are not hypocritical because they never make the attempt (at least as a party I do believe that their are individuals with in the party who make the attempt). It is better to try and fail than to never try at all.

Whatever...
99.9% of the world's population could deconstruct that sentence...
There are two groups of peoples that are different...
What makes them different is the individuals...and how they react to getting 'busted'...
Reread bolded above...referring to INDIVIDUALS...not PARTYS...
Your reading skills still suck...:p

[Firebird]

Whatever...
99.9% of the world's population could deconstruct that sentence...
There are two groups of peoples that are different...
What makes them different is the individuals...and how they react to getting 'busted'...
Reread bolded above...referring to INDIVIDUALS...not PARTYS...
Your reading skills still suck...:p

Mong Hu places the source of the differences between individuals...and how they react...in their party affiliation and...in how the two parties respond to their indiscretions...my reading skills don't suck...but your partisanship does...:p

[GoOwls]

Mong Hu places the source of the differences between individuals...and how they react...in their party affiliation and...in how the two parties respond to their indiscretions...my reading skills don't suck...but your partisanship does...:p

So I guess it's OK for the Dems to always bring up the fact when a christian gets caught doing something wrong....wouldn't want to discriminate against a group now, would we, unless it's those danged christians, though, right? ;)

BTW, nice usage of elipsis....at least you've learned something from me....very dramatic, aren't they? :p

[RedRage00]

So I guess it's OK for the Dems to always bring up the fact when a christian gets caught doing something wrong....wouldn't want to discriminate against a group now, would we, unless it's those danged christians, though, right? ;)

BTW, nice usage of elipsis....at least you've learned something from me....very dramatic, aren't they? :p

That kind of stuff is just FUNNY. :D

[mad_fan]

Mong Hu places the source of the differences between individuals...and how they react...in their party affiliation and...in how the two parties respond to their indiscretions...my reading skills don't suck...but your partisanship does...:p

Firebird believes group affiliation determines behavior...if mad joined the D party...mad would start to think like a D...
mad believes individual behavior is the result of something inside the individual...and that individuals just belong to groups that think most like them...
Mong Hu can speak for himself...if you will allow him...:rolleyes:

[mad_fan]

So I guess it's OK for the Dems to always bring up the fact when a christian gets caught doing something wrong....wouldn't want to discriminate against a group now, would we, unless it's those danged christians, though, right? ;)

BTW, nice usage of elipsis....at least you've learned something from me....very dramatic, aren't they? :p

BS...I invented the usage...

[Firebird]

Firebird believes group affiliation determines behavior...if mad joined the D party...mad would start to think like a D...
mad believes individual behavior is the result of something inside the individual...and that individuals just belong to groups that think most like them...
Mong Hu can speak for himself...if you will allow him...:rolleyes:

I think it's pretty obvious...that group affiliation...affects a person's behavior and thinking...but feel free to believe that it doesn't...lots of football coaches and the guys in charge of training Marines...will disagree with you...:rolleyes:

[GoOwls]

Firebird believes group affiliation determines behavior...if mad joined the D party...mad would start to think like a D...
mad believes individual behavior is the result of something inside the individual...and that individuals just belong to groups that think most like them...
Mong Hu can speak for himself...if you will allow him...:rolleyes:

GoOwls doesn't belong to any political party since they are all too stupid to represent a person of my enormous brain power. A person who belongs to a party is a sheep, at best.......;)

Anyone who makes the decision to sign on to a party and allows the party platform to speak for them prolly has no business making decisions or speaking.

[mad_fan]

I think it's pretty obvious...that group affiliation...affects a person's behavior and thinking...but feel free to believe that it doesn't...lots of football coaches and the guys in charge of training Marines...will disagree with you...:rolleyes:

Which is why 100 lb weaklings and grandmothers make the best Marines and football players...:rolleyes:

[GoOwls]

I think it's pretty obvious...that group affiliation...affects a person's behavior and thinking...but feel free to believe that it doesn't...lots of football coaches and the guys in charge of training Marines...will disagree with you...:rolleyes:

Poor usage of elipsis....no drama or substance....like reading Ted Kennedy's personal notes of the last few months.

[GoOwls]

BS...I invented the usage...

BS....I perfected it.............sir...;)

[RedRage00]

GoOwls doesn't belong to any political party since they are all too stupid to represent a person of my enormous brain power. A person who belongs to a party is a sheep, at best.......;)

Anyone who makes the decision to sign on to a party and allows the party platform to speak for them prolly has no business making decisions or speaking.

You're so full of yourself.

You fit in Highland Park more than you realize ;)

[Firebird]

Which is why 100 lb weaklings and grandmothers make the best Marines and football players...:rolleyes:

Those are the first two that came to mind...I can think of some preachers who will tell you that group affiliation can impact behavor...btw...I can think of several friends that went into the Marines as one guy...and came out another...both physically and mentally...but you say that's impossible...so I guess it is...:rolleyes:

[slcdragonfan]

I think it's pretty obvious...that group affiliation...affects a person's behavior and thinking...but feel free to believe that it doesn't...lots of football coaches and the guys in charge of training Marines...will disagree with you...:rolleyes:

yes it does affect your behavior and thinking, but are you with that group because you joined? Yes, so your inclinations were already in that direction. What happens when someone leaves one group and goes to another? It does happen.

[Firebird]

yes it does affect your behavior and thinking, but are you with that group because you joined? Yes, so your inclinations were already in that direction. What happens when someone leaves one group and goes to another? It does happen.

I think it's pretty obvious that it cuts both ways...we seek groups that affirm our biases...and those same groups reinforce and instill new biases...but mad_fan says...that group affiliation...has no impact at all...

The more important thing to point out...is that Republicans do NOT necessarily cull their ranks of adulterers...contrary to Mong_Hu's assertion...as Senator Vitter would be happy to explain

[slcdragonfan]

I think it's pretty obvious that it cuts both ways...we seek groups that affirm our biases...and those same groups reinforce and instill new biases...but mad_fan says...that group affiliation...has no impact at all...

The more important thing to point out...is that Republicans do NOT necessarily cull their ranks of adulterers...contrary to Mong_Hu's assertion...as Senator Vitter would be happy to explain

I agree, I think the phrase 'glass houses' applies here. There is no moral high ground that either party can claim, IMO.

[Firebird]

In my mind the difference between the Republican and Democratic party is that Republicans who are guilty of the types of things that these men are guilty of resign or finish their careers in disgrace. In the Democratic Party these men are made the "Lions" of the party. .

I agree with you slcdragonfan...but not everyone does...as evidenced above...

[cougmantx]

I think it's pretty obvious that it cuts both ways...we seek groups that affirm our biases...and those same groups reinforce and instill new biases...but mad_fan says...that group affiliation...has no impact at all...

The more important thing to point out...is that Republicans do NOT necessarily cull their ranks of adulterers...contrary to Mong_Hu's assertion...as Senator Vitter would be happy to explain

He's from Lousiana...that doesn't count...:D

[GoOwls]

You're so full of yourself.

You fit in Highland Park more than you realize ;)

If you were me....you would be too......but you're not, so you are you.....

SORRY, WE HAVE A LOSER......

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[dragonsdaddy]

That's nothing.

You should see all the Republican married dads that hit on me on a weekly basis. ;):D
i'll call bs on this assertion. you don't have the skills to devine their party affiliation, and you sure as heck don't find out in your pick-up scenario. unless the new age astrology sign is ? is "who's your favorite ex-president?, you are bogus.