Tre Newton and other Sophomore Backs

[cfbobcat]

I was wondering if any of you Dragon fans had Newton's stats for the season. He really impressed me with his running and being as good as he is as only a sophomore. My old school, Cy-Fair, had a pretty good sophomore tailback this year as well and I just wanted to see how the two stack up statistically. I realize stats are not everything but I just want to compare for the fun of it.

The tailback from Cy-Fair is named Sam McGuffie. In 13 games (6 starts), Sam ran for 988 yards and averaged 6.9 yards per carry. He scored 15 times: 13 on the ground, once through the air, and once on a kickoff return. In 3 playoff games, Sam ran for 444 yards and scored 8 touchdowns. I think he is going to be a phenomenal player for the Bobcats the next two years.

Finally, were there any other sophomore backs this past season who had great years? If so, please list who they are, where they are from, and statistics, if you have them.

Thanks to all.

[BAMF cowboy]

I am taking this from slcsportsfan's post in the USA Poll thread:

Tre's Stats
171 carries - 1,345 yrds - 13 td
19 Recep - 296 yrds - 2 td

Keep in mind he did not start until the 4th game of the season, and he did not play in the 3 final regular season games due to injury.

[sendero]

The two I know about are #30 for Katy and #22 for SV. I don't know if they had that good of stats though.

[cfbobcat]

I looked up the stats for the Katy RB. I believe his name is Aundre Dean. According to Chron.com he had 129 carries for 782 yards (6.1 avg) and 5 TDs rushing. The site lists him as scoring 7 TDs so maybe he returned kicks as well? What is most impressive about Dean is that he put up very respectable numbers behind a 1300 yard, 16 TD tailback.

I do not know who the SV back is. Anybody?

[GRP05]

Josh Johnson from Berkner did a really good job last year.


Att. - 191
Yards - 1410
Average- 7.5
T.D. - 14

[cfbobcat]

Josh Johnson from Berkner did a really good job last year.


Att. - 191
Yards - 1410
Average- 7.5
T.D. - 14


He sure did. Nice average per carry.

I did the math and see Newton averaged 7.9 per carry. That is just awesome. In my mind, if you have a back that can rack up 7+ per carry then you are doing more than okay.

[KT2000]

Dean did very well backing up Brandon King in my opinion. Dean was out for 2-3 games with a sprained ankle, and eased back into the rotation during the playoffs once able to go again. He's 6'0-6'1, 180 and returned kicks also. He'll be the #1 back next season as a junior.

SV's sophomore is Trent Rios. Rios has good speed, and should put up good numbers next year as the main man as long as he's got a good line.

[rangerpride]

Dean did very well backing up Brandon King in my opinion. Dean was out for 2-3 games with a sprained ankle, and eased back into the rotation during the playoffs once able to go again. He's 6'0-6'1, 180 and returned kicks also. He'll be the #1 back next season as a junior.

SV's sophomore is Trent Rios. Rios has good speed, and should put up good numbers next year as the main man as long as he's got a good line.

The O-line will probably be the strong point for the Rangers next year. It's areas like LB and DB that are a concern for the Rangers next season. The defense, I believe, will not be as good next year as they have been the last 2 years. Offensively, the Rangers running game will be much improved, but the Wr corp is still a question mark, after losing Fuller and Beyer to graduation. I still see next year as a rebuilding year for SV, (still a playoff team, but won't make it out of regional finals) but look for them to come on strong again in 2007.

[Xfballphenome05]

Rios had 127 carries for 728 yards and 6 touchdowns in the regular season.

[KT2000]

Not bad considering he split carries with two and sometimes three other backs (McKinney, Schrock, Hall).

[fbmarshall]

the kid from strake 14 was the best we saw all year, he could move the pile, block, catch, take hits and move the ball. we believe he has huge upside, they forgot him sometimes and it hurt them. they don't have too many athletes like that.

[VB Pack Fan]

I saw Newton play a few games and was not really that high on him.He was just a 10th grader though. He did not seem as fast as everone said he was and runs a little to tall. That o line will be gone next year so we will be able to see how good he really gets then. The reasons he had as many yds is because SLC get so far ahead that teams did not foucs on him in the late qts.Our back Turner is a lot quicker and really strong for his size. Could havs had a 1000 yd season but spit time with Kibble, but this kid killed teams with his speed and quickest.

[dragons08]

I saw Newton play a few games and was not really that high on him.He was just a 10th grader though. He did not seem as fast as everone said he was and runs a little to tall. That o line will be gone next year so we will be able to see how good he really gets then. The reasons he had as many yds is because SLC get so far ahead that teams did not foucs on him in the late qts.
what games did you see newton play in?

[drgnbkr]

I saw Newton play a few games and was not really that high on him.He was just a 10th grader though. He did not seem as fast as everone said he was and runs a little to tall. That o line will be gone next year so we will be able to see how good he really gets then. The reasons he had as many yds is because SLC get so far ahead that teams did not foucs on him in the late qts.

175 yards in the State Title game against Katy says it all..you must have had on some foggy glasses...:D

[VB Pack Fan]

The Denton Ryan game and another that I can,t remember ,plus our game.

[VB Pack Fan]

175 yards in the State Title game against Katy says it all..you must have had on some foggy glasses...:D

Just me , like I said, not that high on him. There are a few out they better.

[dragons08]

The Denton Ryan game and another that I can,t remember ,plus our game.
correct me if im wrong dragon fans...but didnt tre get a concusion or something like that, during the DR game?

[BAMF cowboy]

he's entitled to his opinion...

...not our fault if it's wrong:D

[VB Pack Fan]

correct me if im wrong dragon fans...but didnt tre get a concusion or something like that, during the DR game?

Okay I see where this will lead, he,s a great running back.....now let,s not get your panties in a wad:D :D

[JagDad07]

One guy you'll hear a lot about this coming year is Erike Parker at Summit. He was a sophmore this past year and played slotback (had a solid D1 senior at tailback), so he only had 13 carries for 194 yards. But he'll be the man next year.

[Drake]

the kid from strake 14 was the best we saw all year, he could move the pile, block, catch, take hits and move the ball. we believe he has huge upside, they forgot him sometimes and it hurt them. they don't have too many athletes like that.His name is Jeff McVaney. Will be a multi-talented junior next season that may play QB, RB, or MLB, but not all at once... Also pretty good baseball and hockey player from what I understand...

[c-lisle]

Longview had two sophomore 2nd stringers at FB and RB. Mark Johnson is small at 5'7'' 165 but he had almost 400 yds at backup FB. Look for this kid to step up big time next season. The good thing about HS football is you don't always have to be the biggest to be the best.

[fbmarshall]

hockey? We really thought he could play and was under utilized, sounds like next year that may change. To us he is true D1 talent. Thanks for the update Drake.

[Drake]

hockey? We really thought he could play and was under utilized, sounds like next year that may change. To us he is true D1 talent. Thanks for the update Drake.Yeah hockey! (I have no idea what it is either)

[KT1ss24]

Not trying to knock on Newton, who is a good player, but he really gained all his yards against 3 to 4 katy players with 4 to 5 blockers. Once he got down field he did in fact make nice moves against more skilled players like Lb's and a few Db's. If katy had played man to man with only one or 2 players helping out they would of had 5 or 6 defenders to help out on runs. Newton still would of hit the 100yd mark but would have been less effective. Great athlete who has a future as a shifty speed back, but im not sure about his running in the middle if Slc ever does run there against a full 4-3 or 3-4. Dean is also a speed guy but knows how to run over people, he can run it in the middle or bounce it outside, but sometimes didnt read the hole right at all. Anther thing is his weak ankles which kept him from pulling off with 1000yds. He did run a 4.4 forty today on the first day of offseason. Rios of SV for all i know is a good back but wasn't able to see enough playing time in the playoffs. I cant really evaluate him b/c i never saw him play.

[KT1ss24]

Newton of course will have another great season especially for a jr with say 1400 to 1500 yds. With Dean it all depends on how th o-line comes together and how the passing attack goes. Even Aston couldnt have ran for 2000 and so yds if there wasnt a passing game. Even though he almost did do it with out a passing game. The o-line at katy will be scatered with Sr's Jr's and maybe a So. It will be big as usual, and i do mean big(Jr.Nate Bryant 300+ but losing weight, and Sr.Matt Aguires 300+ and just broke a katy weight lifting record) but slow. Dean will probably end up with low 1300's but could get to 1600's if o-line is good and if defense is on its toes with passing game. Rios is on a team tht will just annoy the oppenent until they give up a big run. If he doesnt split time he could end up with say 1200's or 1300's.

[SLCDad]

Tre Newton needs to mature a bit. When he reaches age 16 he will be a beast. :p

[KT2000]

Yeah, that's the funny thing about these "super sophs". If you think they're good now, just wait until they actually grow into their frames and really figure out what they're doing on the field.

[dragons08]

Tre Newton needs to mature a bit. When he reaches age 16 he will be a beast. :p
hes 16 isnt he? i see him driving after school everyday

[yankee]

hes 16 isnt he? i see him driving after school everyday
at least 16. i think riley dodge might even be closing in on 17.:eek:

[drgnbkr]

hes 16 isnt he? i see him driving after school everyday
If Tre is 16, he just turned it....

[dragons08]

at least 16. i think riley dodge might even be closing in on 17.:eek:
i think riley already is 17..

[dragons08]

If Tre is 16, he just turned it....
i think since novemeber?

[TigerHat]

My observation on sophomore running backs is that they often have skills that are better than their bodies are able to handle. That is they have a tendency toward injury when playing against the older players who's bodies are just knit together better. Even high school seniors are a long way from being as solidly built as they will become later.

This is the real reason that High School teams can't play against college teams. SLC and Katy could play very well against most of the college teams in this state - but they would have a ton of injuries if they tried to do so. In a sport like basketball - which is not as violent as football I know this to be true from the following example.

When my younger brother was in High School at Meadowbrook in Va they had to play the undefeated 2 time state champion Petersburg team (district foe) which featured Moses Malone - the first player to jump from high school to the pros. Because Petersburg couldn't find any competition in the high school games - they played a game against Randolf-Macon college. Randolf-Macon had made it to the Div II final four the year before and did so again that year. Petersburg beat them just like they beat everyone else. 90 something to 70 something.

While Moses was the famous player on the Petersburg team the rest of the players on the team belonged on the court with him. When Moses said that he could pick up a team from the streets of Petersburg and beat the Celtics he wasn't kidding - he could have - the talent was there and he knew it. The reason that those people weren't pro basketball players was not playing skill; it was discipline and professionalism - which Moses had and they didn't.

[rancher52]

My observation on sophomore running backs is that they often have skills that are better than their bodies are able to handle. That is they have a tendency toward injury when playing against the older players who's bodies are just knit together better. Even high school seniors are a long way from being as solidly built as they will become later.

This is the real reason that High School teams can't play against college teams. SLC and Katy could play very well against most of the college teams in this state - but they would have a ton of injuries it they tried to do so. In a sport like Basket Ball - which is not as violent as football I know this to be true from the following example.

When my younger brother was in High School at Meadowbrook in Va they had to play the undefeated 2 time state champion Petersburg team (district foe) which featured Moses Malone - the first player to jump from high school to the pros. Because Petersburg couldn't find any competition in the high school games - they played a game against Randolf-Macon college. Randolf-Macon had made it to the Div II final four the year before and did so again that year. Petersburg beat them just like they beat everyone else. 90 something to 70 something.

While Moses was the famous player on the Petersburg team the rest of the players on the team belonged on the court with him. When Moses said that he could pick up a team from the streets of Petersburg and beat the Celtics he wasn't kidding - he could have - the talent was there and he knew it. The reason that those people weren't pro basketball players was not playing skill; it was discipline and professionalism - which Moses had and they didn't.
Actually Reggie Harding was the first to go directly from the preps to the pro in 1963.

[Drake]

SLC and Katy could play very well against most of the college teams in this stateSince you said most, I'm curious about which notable college teams in Texas you think Katy or SLC could hang with... Rice? SMU? Texas State? Sam Houston? North Texas? UTEP? Which? (perhaps A&M, but that's not MOST:D)

[TigerHat]

Since you said most, I'm curious about which notable college teams in Texas you think Katy or SLC could hang with... Rice? SMU? Texas State? Sam Houston? North Texas? UTEP? Which? (perhaps A&M, but that's not MOST:D)
If you go to
http://www.50states.com/college/texas.htm
and take a look at the list of colleges and universities I think that you would realize that there are a lot of schools that if they play football - have programs that not many people are familiar with. I think that you will realize that the level of football played at those schools is not out of the range of possiblity for the top high school programs in the state. The well known programs are clearly out of reach - but the well known schools are not the majority of Texas colleges.

If there were a University of Katy that simply picked up where the high school eneded with the same program and players it would be a division II contender.

Plus of course, no one would deny that either SLC or Katy would put at least 50 on the Texans. :D

[Drake]

take a look at the list of colleges and universities I think that you would realize that there are a lot of schools that if they play football... Okay, I suppose if the Texas Culinary School hypothetically fielded a team perhaps our high schools could beat them (although I hear they're very proficient chop blockers) but your original post made it sound like you thought they could contend with most teams that do actually play football... I'm not saying they can't, just wanted a few examples...

[AZTiger]

I went to Texas Lutheran...and I have no doubt that SLC, Katy, Lufkin, and other usual suspects could compete and probably beat them.

[TigerHat]

Okay, I suppose if the Texas Culinary School hypothetically fielded a team perhaps our high schools could beat them (although I hear they're very proficient chop blockers) but your original post made it sound like you thought they could contend with most teams that do actually play football... I'm not saying they can't, just wanted a few examples...

Well, Rice is a D 1 school - but I don't think they could beat SLC. I do think they would beat Katy pretty badly - mainly because they ran a Wishbone - and Katy has basically no clue how to defense a Wishbone ( here is a hint, a 3 man line isn't going to work ).

Certainly the average D II school in the country is not out of reach for the country's best high schools - the coaching at the top of 5A in Texas is better than any D II college has.

The Katy coaches plus the coach from Madison and Humble badly outcoached the Canadian pro and college coaches at the World Junior championship 2 years ago during Super Bowl week. The Canadians had far bigger, faster and older ( some of them were 20 ) players , and the high school Academic All Stars from the Houston area made them look like they couldn't play at all. The Canadian coaches were yelling at each other by the second quarter.

[dragons08]

can a HS team beat a college team? i dont really think so...the players in College are bigger thna the players in HS the players in the NFL are bigger than college players..

can a HS team keep up speed wise with a college team? yes possibly..but the college team will hit harder and more often, and hurt players on the hs team..it'll be to physical for a hs team to handle..

[yankee]

can a HS team beat a college team? i dont really think so...the players in College are bigger thna the players in HS the players in the NFL are bigger than college players..

can a HS team keep up speed wise with a college team? yes possibly..but the college team will hit harder and more often, and hurt players on the hs team..it'll be to physical for a hs team to handle..
euless trinity?

[HoldUp]

Newton did well in the Katy game, I'm not gonna lie. But its kind of like the Adrian Peterson (OU) effect; you pass pass pass, and then run it up the middle and yeah you're going to surprise a defense. That is how football works. There is no denying that Peterson is a good back, but I'm just saying, it helps. As well as with Newton. Keep in mind they have a good o-line. He is good though, just not amazing. Aundre Dean will have a breakout season next year I think. All that Katy needs is an o-line and Dean is going to blow everyone away, and just wait till senior year!

[KT1ss24]

Before you answered i thought the thred had changed from sophomore rb's to high school vs college

[KT1ss24]

But yes the Newton is a good player and will maybe bulk up and learn the game better. And i believe that katy could have played against rices wishbone, katy would lose to a good wishbone but not rices. Coach joseph should be smart enough to switch to a type of 4-4 against a wishbone, and i hope he does switch to a type of 4-4 against somebody next yr. It would definitely work against a run team like Hastings or Elsik.

[dragons08]

euless trinity?
i havent seen them..but generally speaking College players are bigger than HS players

[drgnbkr]

Newton did well in the Katy game, I'm not gonna lie. But its kind of like the Adrian Peterson (OU) effect; you pass pass pass, and then run it up the middle and yeah you're going to surprise a defense. That is how football works. There is no denying that Peterson is a good back, but I'm just saying, it helps. As well as with Newton. Keep in mind they have a good o-line. He is good though, just not amazing. Aundre Dean will have a breakout season next year I think. All that Katy needs is an o-line and Dean is going to blow everyone away, and just wait till senior year!

Dean was very impressive..I remember seeing him hopping sideways several times, which to me is the sign of all the great backs..Reggie Bush will go airborne on you at any time..as did Barry Sanders...jump stop and take off in another direction...I don't know how they do that!

[VB Pack Fan]

I went to Texas Lutheran...and I have no doubt that SLC, Katy, Lufkin, and other usual suspects could compete and probably beat them.

Noe of these teams could beat a college team ,no matter how bad the team is. College players are much more physical. You would have 16,17 and 18 year olds playing against 20,21 and 22 yr old men

[dragonsdaddy]

But yes the Newton is a good player and will maybe bulk up and learn the game better. And i believe that katy could have played against rices wishbone, katy would lose to a good wishbone but not rices. Coach joseph should be smart enough to switch to a type of 4-4 against a wishbone, and i hope he does switch to a type of 4-4 against somebody next yr. It would definitely work against a run team like Hastings or Elsik.
surely you jest. rice would beat kt into small bits of kitty chow.

[Drake]

So some of you believe Katy or SLC could beat Rice University?... What's funny is, I'm not even surprised... :D

[dragonsdaddy]

Well, Rice is a D 1 school - but I don't think they could beat SLC. I do think they would beat Katy pretty badly - mainly because they ran a Wishbone - and Katy has basically no clue how to defense a Wishbone ( here is a hint, a 3 man line isn't going to work ).

Certainly the average D II school in the country is not out of reach for the country's best high schools - the coaching at the top of 5A in Texas is better than any D II college has.

The Katy coaches plus the coach from Madison and Humble badly outcoached the Canadian pro and college coaches at the World Junior championship 2 years ago during Super Bowl week. The Canadians had far bigger, faster and older ( some of them were 20 ) players , and the high school Academic All Stars from the Houston area made them look like they couldn't play at all. The Canadian coaches were yelling at each other by the second quarter.
no hs team could beat any d2 school and only a few of the d3 schools. having watched quite a bit of both over the last 5 years, and as big a dragon fan as there is, i have no doubts along these lines.

[AZTiger]

Maybe not Texas Lutheran now...but when I was there 1998-2002. It was our first 4 years of football again, and guys on that team said the competition was like 5A playoffs.

We had a guy start at WR who I used to play weekend pickup games with in Houston who was horrible, and I'd just sit in the stands thinkin "THAT guy is playing??!!!"

[KT1ss24]

yes i do think katy and slc could beat rice but there are other schools that could also. Lufkin for example, their talent is just crazy sumtimes. Oh, and i would love to watch the 01' madison team play alot of colleges. The score would be somehting like 78-64. And the 01' Westlake team, if any one can out score, out pass, and out run VY like schroeder did he deserved to stay at Qb going into college.

[KT1ss24]

But back to so. rb's, like i've said before Dean does have problems with his ankles, and yes he does make older players look like fools sometimes with his open field moves but he sometimes misses the whole when its right there. Coach meekins sees that and will work on it this spring ball so it shouldnt be a problem any more but you never know.