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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6467096.html
People in Cy-Fair aren't pleased.
Favpack
06-10-2009, 08:00 AM
Several thoughts -
1) The tax rate is reasonable.
2) I had no idea Super. had the power to revoke a homestead
3) Dan Patrick needs to worry about Cy-Fair rather than guarding the border and getting on TV
4) In all seriousness Cy-Fair - were you even remotely concerned when you built a $100 million sports complex that it might cost a few dollars down the road? Who doesn't love the Berry Center, but it's example A-1 of a bloated economy from 2003.
CyFallsMom
06-10-2009, 10:45 AM
I knew this would one day come due to the stadium. I guess Second Baptist isn't bringing in enough revenue:rolleyes: :D.
Cy Fair ISD is in trouble - there is no doubt about that. They have grown too fast and, as the article states, most of their tax base is homes, not big businesses. But, even if I have no kids there any longer, I don't want to hear about classrooms with 40 kids because they had to fire teachers. The solvency of the district is important for housing values also. If I have to pay an additional $300 then that's the way it goes. The school district you live in is important to many, not just those with kids in the schools.
Maybe some Katy ISD folks can chime in - I think their tax base is already higher than CFISD.
CyFallsMom
06-10-2009, 12:50 PM
I do think they should utilize the Berry Center more or maybe offer to sell or lease it to Lone Star College or something. I voted for the Berry Center and am very proud of it but if it is the reason or a major reason for this shortfall in the budget, they need to look into doing something with it.
I also think the district voters might need to clean house next go round. I just think there is a lot of ineptness on that board - it has always been that way. One more thing to do - get rid of all the special programs. When I went to school, you either sank or swam. If a kid dropped out, nobody stopped them. They had to pay the piper later on. The parents should be helping these kids to succeed - not just the teachers and schools.
Illegals who pay not one cent of property tax need to foot some of their own kids bill somehow too. And CFISD has a TON of them. Why should I pay for them or you or anyone else? We pay for ESL - LEARN THE LANGUAGE before you start in public school. Again, none of that was around in the 60's and 70's because we weren't coddled like that. My kids aren't coddled either. They know what they have to do in life and they work hard for it.
Sorry - went off topic a bit!!:cool:
slcdragonfan
06-10-2009, 12:55 PM
I do think they should utilize the Berry Center more or maybe offer to sell or lease it to Lone Star College or something. I voted for the Berry Center and am very proud of it but if it is the reason or a major reason for this shortfall in the budget, they need to look into doing something with it.
I also think the district voters might need to clean house next go round. I just think there is a lot of ineptness on that board - it has always been that way. One more thing to do - get rid of all the special programs. When I went to school, you either sank or swam. If a kid dropped out, nobody stopped them. They had to pay the piper later on. The parents should be helping these kids to succeed - not just the teachers and schools.
Illegals who pay not one cent of property tax need to foot some of their own kids bill somehow too. And CFISD has a TON of them. Why should I pay for them or you or anyone else? We pay for ESL - LEARN THE LANGUAGE before you start in public school. Again, none of that was around in the 60's and 70's because we weren't coddled like that. My kids aren't coddled either. They know what they have to do in life and they work hard for it.
Sorry - went off topic a bit!!:cool:
Question: From a property tax standpoint, wouldn't illegals have to live somewhere? IF they live in apartments, the apartments pay the tax. If they rent a house, the owner of the house pays the tax. If they purchase a house (how does that happen if you are illegal?) then they pay the tax.
Bottom line: from a property tax standpoint, someone is paying if they live in the district.
I would think renting out Berry for playoff games for 4A/3A games would be profitable, as well as other uses. Just have to get creative.
CyFallsMom
06-10-2009, 01:22 PM
Question: From a property tax standpoint, wouldn't illegals have to live somewhere? IF they live in apartments, the apartments pay the tax. If they rent a house, the owner of the house pays the tax. If they purchase a house (how does that happen if you are illegal?) then they pay the tax.
Bottom line: from a property tax standpoint, someone is paying if they live in the district.
I would think renting out Berry for playoff games for 4A/3A games would be profitable, as well as other uses. Just have to get creative.
I think I'm an open book when it comes to illegals. I'm also not politically correct when it comes to them, Obama, libs, etc. Come here legally and I can understand but so many come here just for the health care, schools, etc. They should have to fork out something. I don't care where they live. There are many immigrants out there who have gone to the trouble to become legal or at least work towards that end. Why can't the others? They are a drain to our society. I'm not saying it's all their fault CFISD is in the pickle it is - that is a lot of mismanagement no doubt. They don't help the situation though. We have to have special programs for them and such - it's just a drain.
I think I'm an open book when it comes to illegals. I'm also not politically correct when it comes to them, Obama, libs, etc. Come here legally and I can understand but so many come here just for the health care, schools, etc. They should have to fork out something. I don't care where they live. There are many immigrants out there who have gone to the trouble to become legal or at least work towards that end. Why can't the others? They are a drain to our society. I'm not saying it's all their fault CFISD is in the pickle it is - that is a lot of mismanagement no doubt. They don't help the situation though. We have to have special programs for them and such - it's just a drain.
If they are living in the district and not on the streets, they are paying the same tax rate you and I are.
Firebird
06-10-2009, 01:42 PM
Question: From a property tax standpoint, wouldn't illegals have to live somewhere? IF they live in apartments, the apartments pay the tax. If they rent a house, the owner of the house pays the tax. If they purchase a house (how does that happen if you are illegal?) then they pay the tax.
Bottom line: from a property tax standpoint, someone is paying if they live in the district.
I would think renting out Berry for playoff games for 4A/3A games would be profitable, as well as other uses. Just have to get creative.
Of course they do. Most pay rent, and those property owners pay the going rate. Illegals pay not a cent less, indirectly, than legal renters and it is asinine to suggest otherwise.
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 01:49 PM
If they are living in the district and not on the streets, they are paying the same tax rate you and I are.
How?
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 01:51 PM
Of course they do. Most pay rent, and those property owners pay the going rate. Illegals pay not a cent less, indirectly, than legal renters and it is asinine to suggest otherwise.
That doesnt mean the illegals are paying property taxes, that means they are paying rent.
Firebird
06-10-2009, 01:53 PM
That doesnt mean they are paying property taxes, that means they are paying rent.
Is it your contention that landowners don't use a portion of the rent they collect to pay property taxes on the rental property? Care to explain how that works?
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 01:57 PM
Is it your contention that landowners don't use a portion of the rent they collect to pay property taxes on the rental property? Care to explain how that works?
Well no joke. But that doesnt mean the renter is paying it.
Well no joke. But that doesnt mean the renter is paying it.
That really may be one of the more dopey points I have read on this board.
Firebird
06-10-2009, 02:04 PM
Well no joke. But that doesnt mean the renter is paying it.
It makes no difference who actually signs the check, the money originated with the renter.
If I am a merchant, and I don't list sales tax separately on my reciepts but include it in posted prices (some do this), then submit the collected sales taxes to the government, who paid the sales tax? The merchant or buyer?
Same principle.
CyFallsMom
06-10-2009, 02:08 PM
Well no joke. But that doesnt mean the renter is paying it.
That's my point - not sure how it was missed to begin with. AND, remember that many of these apartments are holding 3 or 4 families. I lived in Concord Bridge before I moved to Copperfield and we had a 3 bedroom house nearby that had 5 families living in it from Colombia (a rent house) until we all got together and complained as to why they were living in a single family house. All the kids were illegal and went to the schools and the adults split the rent. Eventually, they moved. Also, there are a few of those "pay by the week" hotels that some of them live in. Again, they are paying "rent", not "taxes". I don't care that the landlord is paying taxes - the landlord isn't reaping benefits of free school and free lunches or being part of the problem by forcing new programs on the district to help educate these kids.
DrEdward
06-10-2009, 02:14 PM
I knew this would one day come due to the stadium. I guess Second Baptist isn't bringing in enough revenue:rolleyes: :D.
Cy Fair ISD is in trouble - there is no doubt about that. They have grown too fast and, as the article states, most of their tax base is homes, not big businesses. But, even if I have no kids there any longer, I don't want to hear about classrooms with 40 kids because they had to fire teachers. The solvency of the district is important for housing values also. If I have to pay an additional $300 then that's the way it goes. The school district you live in is important to many, not just those with kids in the schools.
Maybe some Katy ISD folks can chime in - I think their tax base is already higher than CFISD.
A large number of districts in Texas are experiencing deficits these days, having to dip into fund balances to continue the status quo. The legislature didn't help much at all this session in correcting any of the ongoing issues with school financing; in some sense they may have worsened it a bit with mandated increases in teacher salaries (which leads to other expenses by districts in terms of benefits to be paid.)
Fast growth in a residential only district is something that the taxpayers in Carroll can also relate to; we went through the same thing during the mid '90s. Our business tax base to start with consisted of a feedstore, a Dairy Queen, a taco stand and a gas station, everything else was residential and ranching land. As all the folks moved in, some ranchers became pretty well-off selling their land for development, but the new people wanted schools. With the building of new schools came a fast growing I&S tax rate and lots more teachers, hence the M&O tax increases. Carroll eventually got into financial difficulty when the combination of growth, some irresponsible spending, and Robin Hood led to our having to cut programs, and fire teachers during the early 00s. The good news is that the I&S can be controlled over time as your growth slows down, but it does require not spending too much on things that are not necessary.
The M&O is more of a problem, since in the typical district, M&O consists of about 80+% personnel costs. To make any real dents in this, it involves controlling the labor expenses.
The CFISD tax rate is not all that high currently relative to surrounding districts and appears to be a bit lower than many. I don't think the superintendent has the power to simply revoke any exemption, but the Board does. It might be easier to go that route than to put the question of a tax rate increase for the M&O budget in front of the voters. But to ultimately solve the issues confronting the schools currently, the legislature will have to revisit the question of scholl finance once more. (They have done so well previously.)
Firebird
06-10-2009, 02:15 PM
That's my point - not sure how it was missed to begin with. AND, remember that many of these apartments are holding 3 or 4 families. I lived in Concord Bridge before I moved to Copperfield and we had a 3 bedroom house nearby that had 5 families living in it from Colombia (a rent house) until we all got together and complained as to why they were living in a single family house. All the kids were illegal and went to the schools and the adults split the rent. Eventually, they moved. Also, there are a few of those "pay by the week" hotels that some of them live in. Again, they are paying "rent", not "taxes". I don't care that the landlord is paying taxes - the landlord isn't reaping benefits of free school and free lunches or being part of the problem by forcing new programs on the district to help educate these kids.
You should prefer to have as many of these as possible instead of living in a single family residence. Commercial property is taxed at a higher rate, therefore proportionally more of their week's rent went to property tax than a citizen living in a single family residence.
Your point about the landlord renter paying taxes is pretty ignorant. For all intents and purposes it is the renter paying that tax. Any landowner making income off of his property will channel the rents collected first into paying any bills or taxes or liens on the property before keeping the rest for profit. If that's your gripe, then you should gripe about any legals living on rental properties. The district probably collects MORE revenue from them, not less.
Firebird
06-10-2009, 02:31 PM
That's my point - not sure how it was missed to begin with. AND, remember that many of these apartments are holding 3 or 4 families. I lived in Concord Bridge before I moved to Copperfield and we had a 3 bedroom house nearby that had 5 families living in it from Colombia (a rent house) until we all got together and complained as to why they were living in a single family house. All the kids were illegal and went to the schools and the adults split the rent. Eventually, they moved. Also, there are a few of those "pay by the week" hotels that some of them live in. Again, they are paying "rent", not "taxes". I don't care that the landlord is paying taxes - the landlord isn't reaping benefits of free school and free lunches or being part of the problem by forcing new programs on the district to help educate these kids.
Uhhh...yeah he is. If I am going to make the choice to operate a low income rental property, I know full well the types of renters I am going to get. The types of renters who need free lunches and the like. (Do your property taxes pay for that, BTW?)
Maybe you fine upstanding citizens should pressure landlords (your friends and neighbors) to renovate their properties and raise their rates try to turn them into properties that attract different tenants. As it is, the tenants actually in there pay proportionally their share of property taxes, if their name is on the check or not.
ESL courses cost how much per year that is not covered by property taxes?
http://images.chron.com/blogs/schoolzone/berry%20center%20stadium.jpg
http://www.cfisd.net/bond/esc/ESC5.jpg
DrEdward
06-10-2009, 02:49 PM
The status of legal immigrant vs illegal is not really the issue here. A larger family with more school age children living in a given property places a greater burden on a school district than a smaller sized family in that same property. The property taxes paid to the district are a function of the appraised value of the property, given the tax rate and the exemptions, not of the number of children residing in it. Thus a family living in a given apartment with say three children places a greater financial obligation on a school district than does a family with only a single child would in that same property.
If one wants to examine the impact of legal vs illegal on the school budget, then one has to estimate the relative size of families. I have not done so.
Favpack
06-10-2009, 03:06 PM
It's incredibly expensive to build anything these days, including schools. It's just a no win situation when you have to build new schools every year - ask Plano.
CyFallsMom
06-10-2009, 03:08 PM
The status of legal immigrant vs illegal is not really the issue here. A larger family with more school age children living in a given property places a greater burden on a school district than a smaller sized family in that same property. The property taxes paid to the district are a function of the appraised value of the property, given the tax rate and the exemptions, not of the number of children residing in it. Thus a family living in a given apartment with say three children places a greater financial obligation on a school district than does a family with only a single child would in that same property.
If one wants to examine the impact of legal vs illegal on the school budget, then one has to estimate the relative size of families. I have not done so.
I guess that's what I was getting at in a roundabout way but I am, as you all know, against illegal immigration so I was just throwing my right wing opinion around too;). But as I said, that house had about 8 kids - mine had 3. My house was worth more so I was paying more to begin with. That part doesn't bother me - I will pay what they ask if my kids are getting a good education. But the taxes on that - since it was owned by a retiree - were probably non-existent to begin with but 8 kids went to school. People might forget that - if they are over 65 I believe, they don't pay much - my mom pays about $200 a year on a house worth $150,000. So that law brings in even less money as well to the district. But many of those folks have put in their working time and are now on SS or very little money at all.
CyFallsMom
06-10-2009, 03:09 PM
It's incredibly expensive to build anything these days, including schools. It's just a no win situation when you have to build new schools every year - ask Plano.
And Cy Fair has been on a building spree that I liken to a drug binge!! Maybe they should go back to year round school.
CyFallsMom
06-10-2009, 03:13 PM
Uhhh...yeah he is. If I am going to make the choice to operate a low income rental property, I know full well the types of renters I am going to get. The types of renters who need free lunches and the like. (Do your property taxes pay for that, BTW?)
Maybe you fine upstanding citizens should pressure landlords (your friends and neighbors) to renovate their properties and raise their rates try to turn them into properties that attract different tenants. As it is, the tenants actually in there pay proportionally their share of property taxes, if their name is on the check or not.
I live in a very strict community so renovations are a part of life at all times or big brother sends you a nasty letter. We don't have run down homes in the area. We also aren't supposed to have renters but we all know how that goes. None that I know of anyway. I'm talking about the pay as you go hotel on Hwy 6 near the school. It's a drug haven as well. Even the apartments around us are pricey and very nice. But when you put 3 families in it, they can afford it.
twcpfan1
06-10-2009, 04:24 PM
That really may be one of the more dopey points I have read on this board.
Technically the dude is correct. It is still the homeowner who makes the ultimate decision on whether or not to use a portion or all of the rent to pay the property taxes. I'm pretty sure though that like myself, most property owners factor in the property taxes when they set the rental price. But in some high dollar cities, they do not have that luxury. Some don't even collect enough to cover the P&I. So who would you say pays the property taxes then? Income is Income. Whether it be from a job, investments or rent, it's still good enough to pay the government what they demand.
Firebird
06-10-2009, 04:32 PM
Technically the dude is correct. It is still the homeowner who makes the ultimate decision on whether or not to use a portion or all of the rent to pay the property taxes. I'm pretty sure though that like myself, most property owners factor in the property taxes when they set the rental price. But in some high dollar cities, they do not have that luxury. Some don't even collect enough to cover the P&I. So who would you say pays the property taxes then? Income is Income. Whether it be from a job, investments or rent, it's still good enough to pay the government what they demand.
True enough but by the same token you should be griping about the citizen who is living in a rental property if indeed the landlords are losing money on rental properties. The only reason they could feasibly be doing that is if they are holding a property to sell later and are just looking to recoup some of the price of ownership. I can't imagine that there are too many owners like that in the Cypress district. The "they don't pay property taxes" just doesn't wash.
twcpfan1
06-10-2009, 04:38 PM
True enough but by the same token you should be griping about the citizen who is living in a rental property if indeed the landlords are losing money on rental properties. The only reason they could feasibly be doing that is if they are holding a property to sell later and are just looking to recoup some of the price of ownership. I can't imagine that there are too many owners like that in the Cypress district. The "they don't pay property taxes" just doesn't wash.
Not in Cypress or anywhere in Texas. Go to London or Sydney and it's a given that Landowners lose money. They do it for the tax break and what you mentioned - long term ownership of a pretty valuable piece of Real Estate. Although nobody there has ever been able to explain to me how it's better to get a tax break on a loss as compared to paying tax on a profit. While they are building equity, they don't seem to realize what it's costing them in the meantime.
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:04 PM
A large number of districts in Texas are experiencing deficits these days,
Amen...out here...the criminals at the appraisal district worked with the criminals at the school district and double whammy...
I'd have to dig out the paperwork but I guess the state limits the increase in rates and or appraised values i a single year...
For 2009...they increased the rate and value by the maximum allowed by state law...and they apply the rest of the increases in 2010...
LoneRocket
06-10-2009, 05:07 PM
Holly CRAP.....Sitting here reading this thread....thinking.."Sucks to be Cy-Fair People"...then I get this email:
Attached please find important information regarding State Funding and CFISD.
We hope you are having a wonderful summer break and are still checking the e-mails from Horne. Dr. Anthony does a wonderful job of keeping us informed and sharing information with all of us in the district.
Have a safe, enjoyable summer break!
Cindy Hickman
Secretary to the Principal
Horne Elementary
June 10, 2009
Dear Key Communicator:
An action item regarding the Cypress-Fairbanks ISD's 20% Optional Homestead Exemption (OHE) was anticipated to be placed on the June 15, 2009 meeting agenda for the CFISD Board of Trustees. However, the Board will not take action on the OHE at this meeting in order to allow State Sen. Dan Patrick the opportunity to address the state's inequitable funding of CFISD with officials in Austin.
In an email to Cy-Fair community members, Senator Patrick stated that he was working every hour and talking to everyone in authority he could in Austin, and in the district, to find a positive solution for both the district and the taxpayers. He has been open to listening, and he understands the issues. Senator Patrick knows that the district has until the end of the month to adopt the budget for 2009-2010. He is committed to making every effort to resolve this situation so that neither the district nor the homeowners are punished by the flawed state funding formulas.
The CFISD Board of Trustees is scheduled to meet at a special-called meeting on June 25, 2009. The Board has also postponed its goal-setting workshop, originally scheduled for June 11, until after the budget is adopted.
We appreciate your continuous support for CFISD.
Sincerely,
David Anthony, Ed.D.
I forgot I lived in Cy-Fair ISD:D
Sen. Patrick knows there is nothing that can be done for another two years unless the Gov. calls a special session on this issue. Instead of trying to push a UIL bill through he should had been working on this problem from day one after all he is the vice chair of the Senate educational committe.
GoOwls
06-10-2009, 05:08 PM
My new appraisal came in at about 30% less than last year.
They dug their own hole.
I'm moving my G-daughter to a charter school next year.....the ISD has no clue how to educate in this PC world.......heck with 'em.
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:10 PM
The status of legal immigrant vs illegal is not really the issue here. A larger family with more school age children living in a given property places a greater burden on a school district than a smaller sized family in that same property. The property taxes paid to the district are a function of the appraised value of the property, given the tax rate and the exemptions, not of the number of children residing in it. Thus a family living in a given apartment with say three children places a greater financial obligation on a school district than does a family with only a single child would in that same property.
If one wants to examine the impact of legal vs illegal on the school budget, then one has to estimate the relative size of families. I have not done so.
True...and it keeps childless people like ms mad and mad in a smaller home in the city...
The tax rates out at the other place are nothing...and the same place in the city would be 'worth' 40-50% more...
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:16 PM
Not in Cypress or anywhere in Texas. Go to London or Sydney and it's a given that Landowners lose money. They do it for the tax break and what you mentioned - long term ownership of a pretty valuable piece of Real Estate. Although nobody there has ever been able to explain to me how it's better to get a tax break on a loss as compared to paying tax on a profit. While they are building equity, they don't seem to realize what it's costing them in the meantime.
You're assuming they make no other money...
Take ranching and oil...in most years...the oil money goes out the window on the ranching operation...and it revenue neutral...but we have steaks...
KattTx
06-10-2009, 05:17 PM
Amen...out here...the criminals at the appraisal district worked with the criminals at the school district and double whammy...
I'd have to dig out the paperwork but I guess the state limits the increase in rates and or appraised values i a single year...
For 2009...they increased the rate and value by the maximum allowed by state law...and they apply the rest of the increases in 2010...
My appraisal has gone up at or near the maximum every year since we bought our current house (2005). :Censor: But to be fair, until the oilfield took this last dip - the true market value had outpaced the appraised value by quite a bit. Now the real estate market has leveled off, so I'm hoping the appraisal district takes a break as well.
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:17 PM
My new appraisal came in at about 30% less than last year.
They dug their own hole.
I'm moving my G-daughter to a charter school next year.....the ISD has no clue how to educate in this PC world.......heck with 'em.
30% LESS???:eek: Are you in the ghetto???
slcdragonfan
06-10-2009, 05:22 PM
Apartments are not a good deal either. You then have a much more transient population, and you have higher density of population to contend with with regards to children/square mile. :)
My experience growing up was that apartments are a bane to a city and a school district but a real boon to the owner until serious maintenance time, at which point they simply sold them.
But of course, zoning can prohibit apartments in some cities.
twcpfan1
06-10-2009, 05:25 PM
You're assuming they make no other money...
Take ranching and oil...in most years...the oil money goes out the window on the ranching operation...and it revenue neutral...but we have steaks...
Except that I do not recall taking other sources of income into account. I was merely talking about rent that is collected on a piece of residential real estate as opposed to what it's costing the landowner to keep owning it.
GoOwls
06-10-2009, 05:29 PM
30% LESS???:eek: Are you in the ghetto???
Prolly compared to where you live...me and momma downsized a couple of years ago after all the 6 kids moved out, finally.
Went from 2500 sq. ft. to almost 1300, but 2 big out buildings, a big hot tub building, and an auxiliary shed.
This is Garland, remember.
It went from 89K to 64K in one year.......Hallelujah......:notworthy
Conventional had it valued at 119K when we bought it for 88K.
Bye-bye taxes.
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:30 PM
Except that I do not recall taking other sources of income into account. I was merely talking about rent that is collected on a piece of residential real estate as opposed to what it's costing the landowner to keep owning it.
I know it wasn't your point in the first place but...
They do it for the tax break
What are these 'tax breaks' you speak of???
slcdragonfan
06-10-2009, 05:30 PM
Amen...out here...the criminals at the appraisal district worked with the criminals at the school district and double whammy...
I'd have to dig out the paperwork but I guess the state limits the increase in rates and or appraised values i a single year...
For 2009...they increased the rate and value by the maximum allowed by state law...and they apply the rest of the increases in 2010...
My wife has worked as an appraiser for Pasadena, Houston, Harris County, and independent districts, all prior to the Centralized Appraisal District approach. She has also appraised homes for many years. She is not a criminal. :rolleyes:
Typically, home valuations are based upon recent sales (within the past year) of similar properties. This appraisal stays in place for I think 3 years with the automatic ratcheting up of the value each year until you get another 'real' appraisal. These appraisals can be pretty lame as they do not go into the house but typically estimate based upon strapping the outside or measurements held on file. So if you have had a recent appraisal, blame the good sales around you for the value.
Until the 'real' appraisal occurs again, you will either have to appeal your valuation (good luck) with comps that indicate the value is incorrect, or major detriments that have not been identified (highway, gas well, etc) which detract from your value, OR just grin and bear it.
On the rate side, since she had nothing to do with it, you can call them criminals all day long.:)
twcpfan1
06-10-2009, 05:32 PM
I know it wasn't your point in the first place but...
What are these 'tax breaks' you speak of???
Well if what he's paying for the house (interest and taxes) exceeds what he is collecting for rent (and factoring in depreciation) , the difference is considered a loss and ultimately comes off his overall taxable income.
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:33 PM
Prolly compared to where you live...me and momma downsized a couple of years ago after all the 6 kids moved out, finally.
Went from 2500 sq. ft. to almost 1300, but 2 big out buildings, a big hot tub building, and an auxiliary shed.
This is Garland, remember.
It went from 89K to 64K in one year.......Hallelujah......:notworthy
Conventional had it valued at 119K when we bought it for 88K.
Bye-bye taxes.
Is that 1300 in living space or total (attached garage)???
Our place in town is 1495 of living space...
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:35 PM
Well if what he's paying for the house (interest and taxes) exceeds what he is collecting for rent (and factoring in depreciation) , the difference is considered a loss and ultimately comes off his overall taxable income.
Not if he doesnt have any other 'rental income'...it just sits there on a piece of paper...
twcpfan1
06-10-2009, 05:40 PM
Not if he doesnt have any other 'rental income'...it just sits there on a piece of paper...
Guess you're going to have to explain that. So if I only have one rental property, you're saying I'm not supposed to be paying tax on the rent I collect or conversely not get a deduction for a loss if my rent does not cover my expenses?
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:41 PM
My wife has worked as an appraiser for Pasadena, Houston, Harris County, and independent districts, all prior to the Centralized Appraisal District approach. She has also appraised homes for many years. She is not a criminal. :rolleyes:
On the rate side, since she had nothing to do with it, you can call them criminals all day long.:)
I don't KNOW how it works elsewhere...but if you see the Super eating lunch with the chief appraiser enough times...you CAN put it together...;)
As the instruction flow down from the top...the man...or woman...on the street is still an accomplice...:)
slcdragonfan
06-10-2009, 05:42 PM
I don't KNOW how it works elsewhere...but if you see the Super eating lunch with the chief appraiser enough times...you CAN put it together...;)
As the instruction flow down from the top...the man...or woman...on the street is still an accomplice...:)
:) Think I'll go put her in handcuffs right now.....:eek:
So, regarding your other comment, you can't carry a loss over to ordinary income?
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:42 PM
Guess you're going to have to explain that. So if I only have one rental property, you're saying I'm not supposed to be paying tax on the rent I collect or conversely not get a deduction for a loss if my rent does not cover my expenses?
The IRS will not allow the loss...you'll have to generate RENTAL INCOME...then you can offset that income with your rental loss...
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:44 PM
:)
So, regarding your other comment, you can't carry a loss over to ordinary income?
:)...
Sorry...you can't buy one rent house...loss money on it...and claim it against your regular income....
slcdragonfan
06-10-2009, 05:44 PM
The IRS will not allow the loss...you'll have to generate RENTAL INCOME...then you can offset that income with your rental loss...
Is this relatively new? You can still capture some of the loss with expensing repairs and with depreciation, correct?
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:48 PM
Is this relatively new? You can still capture some of the loss with expensing repairs and with depreciation, correct?
You can 'capture' all of your loss...you just can't deduct it...but you carry it...
See 'passive activity loss' at irs.gov...
twcpfan1
06-10-2009, 05:48 PM
The IRS will not allow the loss...you'll have to generate RENTAL INCOME...then you can offset that income with your rental loss...
OK. My original point was pertaining to Expenses exceeding generated Income from rent. But I guess I'll keep it in mind if I ever own rental property that will just sit there unoccupied forever.
GoOwls
06-10-2009, 05:49 PM
Is that 1300 in living space or total (attached garage)???
Our place in town is 1495 of living space...
It's like 1290 living space.....the one car garage was converted to one big room and widened the living room and kitchen/dining and left room for a big walk-in pantry and a wash room.
I have a 17X13 foot "Man Cave" in the end of one of the out buildings....carpeted.....window unit and portable heater.....all my man-toys (autographs, die-casts, etc.)....a 31" color TV with DirecTv ran to it and a DVR......computer table w/computer....1 (one) recliner.......:D
Now baby, that's life.......:notworthy
Momma goes to sleep and it's out to the Man Cave to conduct manly works and programs (DVR'ed sports and 5A.com).
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:51 PM
btw...I'm talking about the guy that owns a piece of land or a few rent houses...NOT apartment complexes owned by corporations...or real estate professionals...different rules for them...this is the IRS...:D
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:53 PM
OK. My original point was pertaining to Expenses exceeding generated Income from rent. But I guess I'll keep it in mind if I ever own rental property that will just sit there unoccupied forever.
I got that...rent a place out...expense>income...NO loss on your tax return...no tax break...
Carry the loss over until you MAKE MONEY...then take the loss...
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 05:55 PM
It's like 1290 living space.....the one car garage was converted to one big room and widened the living room and kitchen/dining and left room for a big walk-in pantry and a wash room.
I have a 17X13 foot "Man Cave" in the end of one of the out buildings....carpeted.....window unit and portable heater.....all my man-toys (autographs, die-casts, etc.)....a 31" color TV with DirecTv ran to it and a DVR......computer table w/computer....1 (one) recliner.......:D
Now baby, that's life.......:notworthy
Momma goes to sleep and it's out to the Man Cave to conduct manly works and programs (DVR'ed sports).
I'm going to piss beside that building one day...:D
GoOwls
06-10-2009, 05:57 PM
I'm going to piss beside that building one day...:D
I already do....no prob....I'll share the space.....just not at the same time...;)
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 06:06 PM
That really may be one of the more dopey points I have read on this board.
Really? How?
Really? How?
Because not only was it a bad point, but the answer was spelled out for you directly before.
That doesnt mean the illegals are paying property taxes, that means they are paying rent.
Is it your contention that landowners don't use a portion of the rent they collect to pay property taxes on the rental property? Care to explain how that works?
Well no joke. But that doesnt mean the renter is paying it.
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 06:49 PM
Because not only was it a bad point, but the answer was spelled out for you directly before.
What answer? The property owner pays the tax whether the property is occupied or not. The renter is never involved.
What answer? The property owner pays the tax whether the property is occupied or not. The renter is never involved.
Great point.....
If the property is un occupied then there is also no illeagal to mucky up Cyfallsmom's school, is there?
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 07:53 PM
Great point.....
If the property is un occupied then there is also no illeagal to mucky up Cyfallsmom's school, is there?
Her point was valid too.
Her point was valid too.
Her point that the illegal aliens that LIVE in her area, and PAY rent, or PAY a mortgage aren't paying taxes that support the schools they are attending.
That point?
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 08:24 PM
Her point that the illegal aliens that LIVE in her area, and PAY rent, or PAY a mortgage aren't paying taxes that support the schools they are attending.
That point?
Paying rent does not equal paying school taxes, no matter how you word it.
And yes, illegals are a burden on our schools, no matter how you word it.
Paying rent does not equal paying school taxes, no matter how you word it.
And yes, illegals are a burden on our schools, no matter how you word it.
I never stated they weren't, the only point is that if they are living in the district they are going to school in, and unless they live on the street they are contributing to the property taxes.
The other point is almost to dumb for words.
Just to show how dumb it is, I'll try to figure out a scenario.
Every property must pay property taxes or be foreclosed on. The property taxes go to the school. The only way a property owner can have someone live at a residence and not contribute to paying the taxes is to have them live for free, or perhaps pay them to live there.
So unless you know land lords who pay property taxes and allow illegal immigrants to live in their property rent free, then they are contributing to the poperty taxes in that school district.
Firebird
06-10-2009, 09:28 PM
You're assuming they make no other money...
Take ranching and oil...in most years...the oil money goes out the window on the ranching operation...and it revenue neutral...but we have steaks...
Put a couple of deer leases on that land.....;)
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 09:38 PM
Put a couple of deer leases on that land.....;)
Forgot that free stream of cash flow that adds to the landowners wealth...
Firebird
06-10-2009, 09:39 PM
What answer? The property owner pays the tax whether the property is occupied or not. The renter is never involved.
The renter is never involved only if there is no renter. If there is a renter then the renter is very much involved, because only a fool would charge less rent than required to keep the property. Do you think all these slumlords are losing money?
twcpfan1
06-10-2009, 09:47 PM
Wow. You guys are really splitting hairs about this. First of all there's never a guarantee that rent alone would be enough to pay for continued ownership. For all you know, he's getting his wife to do part time work at Centerfolds to pay the property taxes. No right or wrong answer here. The renter is paying rent. He's not paying taxes. If the landowner chooses to use that money to pay the taxes, then that's on him. So essentially, you could all be right as well as wrong :D
Firebird
06-10-2009, 09:57 PM
Wow. You guys are really splitting hairs about this. First of all there's never a guarantee that rent alone would be enough to pay for continued ownership. For all you know, he's getting his wife to do part time work at Centerfolds to pay the property taxes. No right or wrong answer here. The renter is paying rent. He's not paying taxes. If the landowner chooses to use that money to pay the taxes, then that's on him. So essentially, you could all be right as well as wrong :D
I thought we agreed that it's exceedingly unlikely that too many people with residential rental properties in most school districts in Texas are losing money on their rental properties. If I am losing money each year I am selling my complex/rent house.
And in any case, the larger point is that regardless of the immigration status of the actual resident, the taxes on a rental property ARE being paid, so it makes no difference who is actually in there. I'd wager the cost difference to educate a U.S. citizen in a low income rental property is only marginally different than to educate an illegal immigrant, as they will probably be consuming most of the same services.
I also have to wonder how it is that CyFallsMom is so up on all the immigration status of all these renters. Whenever I ask poor brown people who don't speak English to show me their greencard or Texas DL, they just get angry with me and won't do it....:rolleyes:
twcpfan1
06-10-2009, 10:06 PM
I thought we agreed that it's exceedingly unlikely that too many people with residential rental properties in most school districts in Texas are losing money on their rental properties. If I am losing money each year I am selling my complex/rent house.
And in any case, the larger point is that regardless of the immigration status of the actual resident, the taxes on a rental property ARE being paid, so it makes no difference who is actually in there. I'd wager the cost difference to educate a U.S. citizen in a low income rental property is only marginally different than to educate an illegal immigrant, as they will probably be consuming most of the same services.
I also have to wonder how it is that CyFallsMom is so up on all the immigration status of all these renters. Whenever I ask poor brown people who don't speak English to show me their greencard or Texas DL, they just get angry with me and won't do it....:rolleyes:
Yes it's highly unlikely in Texas. Not impossible, given what people paid for homes, back not too long ago when extremely easy credit was available. They may not have the option of being able to sell it that easily.
As to the larger point you refer to, my point was based on pure $ figures and nothing to do with the principals involved or their residency status.
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 10:07 PM
I thought we agreed that it's exceedingly unlikely that too many people with residential rental properties in most school districts in Texas are losing money on their rental properties. If I am losing money each year I am selling my complex/rent house.
They are making money hand over fist...so much so that I'd recommend you diversify and get a rent house or two...it'll do wonders for the cash flow...
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 10:09 PM
Wow. You guys are really splitting hairs about this. First of all there's never a guarantee that rent alone would be enough to pay for continued ownership. For all you know, he's getting his wife to do part time work at Centerfolds to pay the property taxes. No right or wrong answer here. The renter is paying rent. He's not paying taxes. If the landowner chooses to use that money to pay the taxes, then that's on him. So essentially, you could all be right as well as wrong :D
Thats about it.
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 10:11 PM
Yes it's highly unlikely in Texas. Not impossible, given what people paid for homes, back not too long ago when extremely easy credit was available. They may not have the option of being able to sell it that easily.
As to the larger point you refer to, my point was based on pure $ figures and nothing to do with the principals involved or their residency status.
The process of buying rental property has little to do with the process of buying a home you'll live in...
I thought we agreed that it's exceedingly unlikely that too many people with residential rental properties in most school districts in Texas are losing money on their rental properties. If I am losing money each year I am selling my complex/rent house.
And in any case, the larger point is that regardless of the immigration status of the actual resident, the taxes on a rental property ARE being paid, so it makes no difference who is actually in there. I'd wager the cost difference to educate a U.S. citizen in a low income rental property is only marginally different than to educate an illegal immigrant, as they will probably be consuming most of the same services.
I also have to wonder how it is that CyFallsMom is so up on all the immigration status of all these renters. Whenever I ask poor brown people who don't speak English to show me their greencard or Texas DL, they just get angry with me and won't do it....:rolleyes:
Yeah, I don't know... but at the same time, my sophomore year, when all those immigration rallies were taking place, many Hispanic students from Cy Falls "marched" over to Cy Ridge to gather for some bigger rally. And a lot of them were babbling about how even though their parents are illegal, they should be allowed to stay.
I had to walk with them and report on it for the school paper. It was pretty interesting. Granted though a lot of these kids live in the Chimney Hills, Sommeralls, Glencairns, etc etc neighborhoods of the Cy-Fair area, where a majority of the homes are rented... so again I don't know.
twcpfan1
06-10-2009, 10:16 PM
The process of buying rental property has little to do with the process of buying a home you'll live in...
I'm talking about people who initially bought a home as a primary residence, paid too much for it, can no longer afford to pay for it, and is now forced to rent it out, move to a little 2 bedroom in a crappy area, because it is now worth 40% less than his loan value.
mad_fan
06-10-2009, 10:21 PM
I'm talking about people who initially bought a home as a primary residence, paid too much for it, can no longer afford to pay for it, and is now forced to rent it out, move to a little 2 bedroom in a crappy area, because it is now worth 40% less than his loan value.
Same rules apply... as far as a bank is concerned...
And owning (and owing on) that new rental property is not going to get them far in borrowing on another house they can't afford...
twcpfan1
06-10-2009, 10:24 PM
Same rules apply... as far as a bank is concerned...
And owning (and owing on) that new rental property is not going to get them far in borrowing on another house they can't afford...
They would have to rent the crappy 2 bedroom. My point was people can lose money renting their property out and may not have the choice to totally bail on it.
Firebird
06-10-2009, 11:19 PM
Yeah, I don't know... but at the same time, my sophomore year, when all those immigration rallies were taking place, many Hispanic students from Cy Falls "marched" over to Cy Ridge to gather for some bigger rally. And a lot of them were babbling about how even though their parents are illegal, they should be allowed to stay.
I had to walk with them and report on it for the school paper. It was pretty interesting. Granted though a lot of these kids live in the Chimney Hills, Sommeralls, Glencairns, etc etc neighborhoods of the Cy-Fair area, where a majority of the homes are rented... so again I don't know.
They were "babbling" about well established United States Constitutional Law. Regardless of what Mong Hu wishes were the case.;)
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 11:36 PM
They were "babbling" about well established United States Constitutional Law. Regardless of what Mong Hu wishes were the case.;)
Its a soft spot for you, huh?
Firebird
06-10-2009, 11:37 PM
Its a soft spot for you, huh?
Apparently for CyFallsMom, too. Although she probably drives past the reason for her tax increase every day, which she voted for, it's apparently more fun to get angry at Mexicans.
I am counting the days to a Mexican majority Texas, because it's going to be funny....
GoOwls
06-10-2009, 11:39 PM
Apparently for CyFallsMom, too. Although she probably drives past the reason for her tax increase every day, which she voted for, it's apparently more fun to get angry at Mexicans.
I am counting the days to a Mexican majority Texas, because it's going to be funny....
Why wait...it's already funny...the insurance rates are already going sky high.
Apparently for CyFallsMom, too. Although she probably drives past the reason for her tax increase every day, which she voted for, it's apparently more fun to get angry at Mexicans.
I am counting the days to a Mexican majority Texas, because it's going to be funny....
84.8% of district voters voted for it in 2001.
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 11:47 PM
Apparently for CyFallsMom, too. Although she probably drives past the reason for her tax increase every day, which she voted for, it's apparently more fun to get angry at Mexicans.
I am counting the days to a Mexican majority Texas, because it's going to be funny....
I think you look at things with blinders on.
I believe the main thing that she was talking about is more common that you want to see or accept.
How is it right or fair to taxpayers that one house can have 2 or 3 families in it, and the property tax only counts as though one family is there. If those families are here illegally, (and most are) those children are still counted in the school system, and are given special needs. That costs more tax money, doesnt it?
Who has to help float the burden? Does that landlord have to pay double or triple the tax amount based on the # of families? You know the answer to that.
That extra burden is shared by those who are true taxpayers, not renters.
Firebird
06-10-2009, 11:48 PM
84.8% of district voters voted for it in 2001.
And now you have to pay for it, what do you know....
Firebird
06-10-2009, 11:51 PM
I think you look at things with blinders on.
I believe the main thing that she was talking about is more common that you want to see or accept.
How is it right or fair to taxpayers that one house can have 2 or 3 families in it, and the property tax only counts as though one family is there. If those families are here illegally, (and most are) those children are still counted in the school system, and are given special needs. That costs more tax money, doesnt it?
Who has to help float the burden? Does that landlord have to pay double or triple the tax amount based on the # of families? You know the answer to that.
That extra burden is shared by those who are true taxpayers, not renters.
If I were going to get pissed at someone over the three families living in a single family residence..I'd probably pick the landlord who didn't follow code on his property.
Illegals don't come where there aren't:
1. Jobs
2. Someone willing to look the other way
Iron rule of economics. If you want to get all pissy, get mad at your neighbors who are the landlords and business owners employing those people....but you probably think of them as smart businessmen...
And now you have to pay for it, what do you know....
Yeah, a lot of people care.... a lot of people don't. When I told my dad last night that his property tax might go up 30%, all he said was, "Oh."
You kind of get used to stuff like this when you live in the Cy-Fair district I guess. My old journalism adviser built a house in Cypress in 2004-2005 and regrets it now and plans on moving to Waller while still teaching in CFISD.
JMSFan
06-10-2009, 11:56 PM
If I were going to get pissed at someone over the three families living in a single family residence..I'd probably pick the landlord who didn't follow code on his property.
Illegals don't come where there aren't:
1. Jobs
2. Someone willing to look the other way
Iron rule of economics. If you want to get all pissy, get mad at your neighbors who are the landlords and business owners employing those people....but you probably think of them as smart businessmen...
2 wrongs dont make a right.
Firebird
06-10-2009, 11:59 PM
2 wrongs dont make a right.
True enough, but if you want to fix a wrong, it's best to start with the wrong that causes it to being with.
It would be interesting to see how many Republicans own business that employ illegal aliens...or are slumlords that don't bother to enforce code on their own property...
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 12:04 AM
True enough, but if you want to fix a wrong, it's best to start with the wrong that causes it to being with.
It would be interesting to see how many Republicans own business that employ illegal aliens...or are slumlords that don't bother to enforce code on their own property...
and if you find illegals living here without any documentation or any evidence of trying to become citizens, then you deport them. Each and every time.
Firebird
06-11-2009, 12:06 AM
and if you find illegals living here without any documentation or any evidence of trying to become citizens, then you deport them. Each and every time.
I prefer to send them to the emergency room for free lunches and English lessons.
DrEdward
06-11-2009, 12:09 AM
Amen...out here...the criminals at the appraisal district worked with the criminals at the school district and double whammy...
I'd have to dig out the paperwork but I guess the state limits the increase in rates and or appraised values i a single year...
For 2009...they increased the rate and value by the maximum allowed by state law...and they apply the rest of the increases in 2010...
What makes it even worse for school districts is that even if the property in the district increases in assessed value and the district collects more money, the state simply reduces the payment it makes to that district under the current school funding formula. In other words, increases in the economic base of a school district do absolutely nothing to benefit the ISD from a tax collection perspective. If you happen to be a Robin Hood district, not only will the state reduce any funding you might have received, but your payment to Austin will increase!! :(
and if you find illegals living here without any documentation or any evidence of trying to become citizens, then you deport them. Each and every time.
Yeah, but when you try to hire a legal citizen... for example, Marvin Zindler's grandson and he says he's too good for this... well then, sometimes you can't help but hire an illegal worker.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it true that prior to 9/11 and had 9/11 not happened, former President Bush and former President Vincente Fox had plans of having some sort of open pathway between the United States and Mexico for Mexican workers? Or something along those lines?
Firebird
06-11-2009, 12:12 AM
Yeah, but when you try to hire a legal citizen... for example, Marvin Zindler's grandson and he says he's too good for this... well then, sometimes you can't help but hire an illegal worker.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it true that prior to 9/11 and had 9/11 not happened, former President Bush and former President Vincente Fox had plans of having some sort of open pathway between the United States and Mexico for Mexican workers? Or something along those lines?
They had it worked out after 9/11 but our Republican Congress actually stood up to President Bush. See, record deficits are awesome, as is a massive entitlement program that we can't fund (prescription drug benefits) but more Mexicans is just the last straw.
C-DUB
06-11-2009, 12:14 AM
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There goes my money for season tickets.;)
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 12:15 AM
I prefer to send them to the emergency room for free lunches and English lessons.
They will have plenty of time for that when they get free college tuition.
They had it worked out after 9/11 but our Republican Congress actually stood up to President Bush. See, record deficits are awesome, as is a massive entitlement program that we can't fund (prescription drug benefits) but more Mexicans is just the last straw.
Oh okay, hah thanks.
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 12:20 AM
What makes it even worse for school districts is that even if the property in the district increases in assessed value and the district collects more money, the state simply reduces the payment it makes to that district under the current school funding formula. In other words, increases in the economic base of a school district do absolutely nothing to benefit the ISD from a tax collection perspective. If you happen to be a Robin Hood district, not only will the state reduce any funding you might have received, but your payment to Austin will increase!! :(
Will this happen to CFISD?
Nevermind......now that was a dumb question.
DrEdward
06-11-2009, 12:35 AM
Will this happen to CFISD?
Nevermind......now that was a dumb question.
If you are asking about the Robin Hood aspect, no. CFISD is not a Chapter 41 district.
I think you look at things with blinders on.
I believe the main thing that she was talking about is more common that you want to see or accept...
How is it right or fair to taxpayers that one house can have 2 or 3 families in it, and the property tax only counts as though one family is there. If those families are here illegally, (and most are) those children are still counted in the school system, and are given special needs. That costs more tax money, doesnt it?
Who has to help float the burden? Does that landlord have to pay double or triple the tax amount based on the # of families? You know the answer to that.
That extra burden is shared by those who are true taxpayers, not renters.
I don't think you read very carefully.
Illegals who pay not one cent of property tax need to foot some of their own kids bill somehow too. And CFISD has a TON of them. Why should I pay for them or you or anyone else? We pay for ESL - LEARN THE LANGUAGE before you start in public school. Again, none of that was around in the 60's and 70's because we weren't coddled like that. My kids aren't coddled either. They know what they have to do in life and they work hard for it.
Sorry - went off topic a bit!!:cool:
She is not atlking fairness in people that live several to a home, she is stating that they pay "not one cent of property tax".
Paying for education is seen as a community good and not a copmmodity. If we educated the kids they produce more. Is it fair for the couple who can't have children or choose not to pay the same tax rate as a family with 5 kids?
My kids go to private school. Is it fair for me to pay for your kids to go to public school?
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 08:31 AM
I don't think you read very carefully.
She is not atlking fairness in people that live several to a home, she is stating that they pay "not one cent of property tax".
Paying for education is seen as a community good and not a copmmodity. If we educated the kids they produce more. Is it fair for the couple who can't have children or choose not to pay the same tax rate as a family with 5 kids?
My kids go to private school. Is it fair for me to pay for your kids to go to public school?
For the last time, they dont pay any property tax. Why? Because they dont own any freaking property.
For the last time, they dont pay any property tax. Why? Because they dont own any freaking property.
Thanks for claering that up.
Just so I am crystal clear.
The land lord pays taxes, the renter pays rent to the land lord to cover the expenses of the property, including a possible mortgage and insurance, but does not contribute to the taxes.
What happens to the renter if the lan lord oes not pay property taxes?
Firebird
06-11-2009, 08:48 AM
Thanks for claering that up.
Just so I am crystal clear.
The land lord pays taxes, the renter pays rent to the land lord to cover the expenses of the property, including a possible mortgage and insurance, but does not contribute to the taxes.
What happens to the renter if the lan lord oes not pay property taxes?
It works like this, pied:
1. The landlord charges 500 dollars a month rent and puts that in one bank account. He uses that to cover any mortgage or insurance on the property.
2. Then he pays his $2000 dollars per year in property taxes from another bank account.
3. See? The renter's money doesn't contribute to the property taxes. It stays in a different bank account.
:rolleyes:
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 08:49 AM
Thanks for claering that up.
Just so I am crystal clear.
The land lord pays taxes, the renter pays rent to the land lord to cover the expenses of the property, including a possible mortgage and insurance, but does not contribute to the taxes.
What happens to the renter if the lan lord oes not pay property taxes?
Who cares?
Firebird
06-11-2009, 08:50 AM
I don't think you read very carefully.
She is not atlking fairness in people that live several to a home, she is stating that they pay "not one cent of property tax".
Paying for education is seen as a community good and not a copmmodity. If we educated the kids they produce more. Is it fair for the couple who can't have children or choose not to pay the same tax rate as a family with 5 kids?
My kids go to private school. Is it fair for me to pay for your kids to go to public school?
No. Neither is it fair for young childless couples to pay for other kids to go to school, or landowners based out of the district to support the cost of schooling local children.The cost of public schools should be borne by people who currently have children in the school.
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 08:52 AM
It works like this, pied:
1. The landlord charges 500 dollars a month rent and puts that in one bank account. He uses that to cover any mortgage or insurance on the property.
2. Then he pays his $2000 dollars per year in property taxes from another bank account.
3. See? The renter's money doesn't contribute to the property taxes. It stays in a different bank account.
:rolleyes:
No, the landlords wife uses her tip money from the Diamond Club to pay the taxes. And besides, the landlord is charging cheap rent because he is sleeping with the renter's wife. Everybody wins.
Who cares?
The mortgage company(if there is one) which could lose its lien, the school district which is losing income, the remainder of the community who must either pay extra to cover the lost tax revenue or raise taxes to cover it, the land lord who is losing potential income and an asset, and lastly the tennat who would be evicted.
Other than them, I guess no one.
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 09:03 AM
The mortgage company(if there is one) which could lose its lien, the school district which is losing income, the remainder of the community who must either pay extra to cover the lost tax revenue or raise taxes to cover it, the land lord who is losing potential income and an asset, and lastly the tennat who would be evicted.
Other than them, I guess no one.
Im in this group.
CyFallsMom
06-11-2009, 09:22 AM
Great point.....
If the property is un occupied then there is also no illeagal to mucky up Cyfallsmom's school, is there?
Not "mucky" up - "Pay" up like the rest of us. I no longer have kids in public school, yet I'm still paying for those who don't help themselves in any way against my will. Guys, I am not of a socialist or liberal bent in any way. I don't want to help those who leech off of society. I've supported myself since I was 18 - even paid for college with my own funds - no loans or grants of any kind. My kids have to get loans and immigrants are going for free. What is wrong with this picture?? Anybody who thinks that's okay is looking at the world through different colored glasses than me.
Again, for those challenged by my comments out there. If a house or apartment holds 3 families with 3 kids each means that the school has to pay the $4000 + for each of those 9 kids. That's $36,000 + EACH YEAR. Then, the landlord is paying $1700 in tax each year. That's a difference of $34,300 that people like myself with no kids in the school are picking up. Meanwhile, the parents are all splitting up the $1000 rent by 3 while I pay a full house payment complete with said taxes. Again, I ask, how is that fair?? They have special programs for them as well. These need to be cut back. It needs to be made more difficult to get into schools and emergency rooms without contributing something to society.
I truly don't care about paying another $300 in tax if it keeps our property values up. I heard from someone who has more of an insider view that they may file a lawsuit if Dan Patrick can't get something accomplished in Austin. If that happens, the school system will be shut down. That's would not be good.
Firebird
06-11-2009, 09:26 AM
Not "mucky" up - "Pay" up like the rest of us. I no longer have kids in public school, yet I'm still paying for those who don't help themselves in any way against my will. Guys, I am not of a socialist or liberal bent in any way. I don't want to help those who leech off of society. I've supported myself since I was 18 - even paid for college with my own funds - no loans or grants of any kind. My kids have to get loans and immigrants are going for free. What is wrong with this picture?? Anybody who thinks that's okay is looking at the world through different colored glasses than me.
Again, for those challenged by my comments out there. If a house or apartment holds 3 families with 3 kids each means that the school has to pay the $4000 + for each of those 9 kids. That's $36,000 + EACH YEAR. Then, the landlord is paying $1700 in tax each year. That's a difference of $34,300 that people like myself with no kids in the school are picking up. Meanwhile, the parents are all splitting up the $1000 rent by 3 while I pay a full house payment complete with said taxes. Again, I ask, how is that fair?? They have special programs for them as well. These need to be cut back. It needs to be made more difficult to get into schools and emergency rooms without contributing something to society.
I truly don't care about paying another $300 in tax if it keeps our property values up. I heard from someone who has more of an insider view that they may file a lawsuit if Dan Patrick can't get something accomplished in Austin. If that happens, the school system will be shut down. That's would not be good.
When did this happen....I was unaware of the "immigrants don't pay for college" bill....
I am more curious as to how you are so up on the immigration status of all these people, because as I have said they usually just blow me off when I ask to see a greencard or valid TX DL....
Not "mucky" up - "Pay" up like the rest of us. I no longer have kids in public school, yet I'm still paying for those who don't help themselves in any way against my will. Guys, I am not of a socialist or liberal bent in any way. I don't want to help those who leech off of society. I've supported myself since I was 18 - even paid for college with my own funds - no loans or grants of any kind. My kids have to get loans and immigrants are going for free. What is wrong with this picture?? Anybody who thinks that's okay is looking at the world through different colored glasses than me.
Again, for those challenged by my comments out there. If a house or apartment holds 3 families with 3 kids each means that the school has to pay the $4000 + for each of those 9 kids. That's $36,000 + EACH YEAR. Then, the landlord is paying $1700 in tax each year. That's a difference of $34,300 that people like myself with no kids in the school are picking up. Meanwhile, the parents are all splitting up the $1000 rent by 3 while I pay a full house payment complete with said taxes. Again, I ask, how is that fair?? They have special programs for them as well. These need to be cut back. It needs to be made more difficult to get into schools and emergency rooms without contributing something to society.
I truly don't care about paying another $300 in tax if it keeps our property values up. I heard from someone who has more of an insider view that they may file a lawsuit if Dan Patrick can't get something accomplished in Austin. If that happens, the school system will be shut down. That's would not be good.
How many kids did you have go through public school?
CyFallsMom
06-11-2009, 09:30 AM
I thought we agreed that it's exceedingly unlikely that too many people with residential rental properties in most school districts in Texas are losing money on their rental properties. If I am losing money each year I am selling my complex/rent house.
And in any case, the larger point is that regardless of the immigration status of the actual resident, the taxes on a rental property ARE being paid, so it makes no difference who is actually in there. I'd wager the cost difference to educate a U.S. citizen in a low income rental property is only marginally different than to educate an illegal immigrant, as they will probably be consuming most of the same services.
I also have to wonder how it is that CyFallsMom is so up on all the immigration status of all these renters. Whenever I ask poor brown people who don't speak English to show me their greencard or Texas DL, they just get angry with me and won't do it....:rolleyes:
I spend all day running E-Verify on new hires - many of which we have to turn back due to dishonesty on their part - I know when someone is lying on their status. You wouldn't believe the stories I get and how many people have stolen identities from other immigrants to get hired. It's a total quagmire among them. I have to make hiring decision based on this system. There are many honest one's out there and they are just trying to work - I admire that. But there are some bottom dwellers too. The families I had spoken of before who lived in the house by me (My OLD neighborhood - not current one) - all were here illegally from Colombia. I asked - they told me. Probably not good on their part.
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 09:31 AM
Not "mucky" up - "Pay" up like the rest of us. I no longer have kids in public school, yet I'm still paying for those who don't help themselves in any way against my will. Guys, I am not of a socialist or liberal bent in any way. I don't want to help those who leech off of society. I've supported myself since I was 18 - even paid for college with my own funds - no loans or grants of any kind. My kids have to get loans and immigrants are going for free. What is wrong with this picture?? Anybody who thinks that's okay is looking at the world through different colored glasses than me.
Again, for those challenged by my comments out there. If a house or apartment holds 3 families with 3 kids each means that the school has to pay the $4000 + for each of those 9 kids. That's $36,000 + EACH YEAR. Then, the landlord is paying $1700 in tax each year. That's a difference of $34,300 that people like myself with no kids in the school are picking up. Meanwhile, the parents are all splitting up the $1000 rent by 3 while I pay a full house payment complete with said taxes. Again, I ask, how is that fair?? They have special programs for them as well. These need to be cut back. It needs to be made more difficult to get into schools and emergency rooms without contributing something to society.
I truly don't care about paying another $300 in tax if it keeps our property values up. I heard from someone who has more of an insider view that they may file a lawsuit if Dan Patrick can't get something accomplished in Austin. If that happens, the school system will be shut down. That's would not be good.
:notworthy:notworthy
Firebird
06-11-2009, 09:31 AM
I spend all day running E-Verify on new hires - many of which we have to turn back due to dishonesty on their part - I know when someone is lying on their status. You wouldn't believe the stories I get and how many people have stolen identities from other immigrants to get hired. It's a total quagmire among them. I have to make hiring decision based on this system. There are many honest one's out there and they are just trying to work - I admire that. But there are some bottom dwellers too. The families I had spoken of before who lived in the house by me (My OLD neighborhood - not current one) - all were here illegally from Colombia. I asked - they told me. Probably not good on their part.
All these new hires are the renters that live in Cy-Fair school district?
CyFallsMom
06-11-2009, 09:31 AM
How many kids did you have go through public school?
Three. They went to private school up to second grade and then public. While in private school, I still paid taxes and didn't complain. Key word - PAID.
They haven't been in school for 3 years now (this is the 3rd year coming up). And they won't be ever again - but I will still be paying my part for future kids to attend school so don't throw the math at me. I pay...end of subject.
Firebird
06-11-2009, 09:32 AM
Three. They went to private school up to second grade and then public. While in private school, I still paid taxes and didn't complain. Key word - PAID.
Should renters not get to use the public schools? None of them paid property taxes.
Still waiting for evidence of the "free immigrant college" bill that has apparently passed and been signed by Perry.
CyFallsMom
06-11-2009, 09:33 AM
All these new hires are the renters that live in Cy-Fair school district?
Just pointing out how I have come to my conclusions and they live all over the place and in several states as well. You asked how I knew this information. That question in itself, does not involve only CFISD.
CyFallsMom
06-11-2009, 09:35 AM
Should renters not get to use the public schools? None of them paid property taxes.
Still waiting for evidence of the "free immigrant college" bill that has apparently passed and been signed by Perry.
Nope - just those here illegally. They are the ones I have an issue with. And an immigrant whose parents make $25,000 a year will get far more help with college than a citizen whose parents make $80,000 a year (even though they may not have the funds available).
Firebird
06-11-2009, 09:37 AM
Nope - just those here illegally. They are the ones I have an issue with. And an immigrant whose parents make $25,000 a year will get far more help with college than a citizen whose parents make $80,000 a year (even though they may not have the funds available).
That's not what you said, you said that immigrants go to college for free. Are illegal immigrants eligble for FAFSA aid now? Again, I guess I missed that bill, care to direct me to it?
First you are complaining about people that don't pay property taxes, which under you and JMSFan' calculations applies to all renters. So I guess it really isn't about everyone contributing education, is it?
Three. They went to private school up to second grade and then public. While in private school, I still paid taxes and didn't complain. Key word - PAID.
They haven't been in school for 3 years now (this is the 3rd year coming up). And they won't be ever again - but I will still be paying my part for future kids to attend school so don't throw the math at me. I pay...end of subject.
What about all the illeagal immigrants whose kids are back home and have no children in the school, but still pay rent?
Does every apartment have three families per?
CyFallsMom
06-11-2009, 09:44 AM
That's not what you said, you said that immigrants go to college for free. Are illegal immigrants eligble for FAFSA aid now? Again, I guess I missed that bill, care to direct me to it?
First you are complaining about people that don't pay property taxes, which under you and JMSFan' calculations applies to all renters. So I guess it really isn't about everyone contributing education, is it?
I said Immigrants - not Illegal Immigrants. Some are here with the proper paperwork - still doesn't make it fair that they get free college - and they do in many cases in the form of grants. Scholarships is another story - they have to really earn those and I don't fault anyone for that.
And renters don't pay tax - the owner does. As was mentioned before - if that owner forecloses, the tax doesn't get paid by the renters - that's for sure. And that covers all renters, not just the illegals. But, it's the illegals that should be contributing to the education of their children since most US citizens and legal immigrants do. If I were to go to any country in this world and demand equal rights and free education/health coverage for my family without becoming a citizen - I just don't see that happening.
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 09:45 AM
That's not what you said, you said that immigrants go to college for free. Are illegal immigrants eligble for FAFSA aid now? Again, I guess I missed that bill, care to direct me to it?
First you are complaining about people that don't pay property taxes, which under you and JMSFan' calculations applies to all renters. So I guess it really isn't about everyone contributing education, is it?
Yes they are eligible. And there are plenty of scholarships available to undocumented students that do not require the student to be a US citizen or resident or have a social security number in order to apply.
Firebird
06-11-2009, 09:47 AM
I said Immigrants - not Illegal Immigrants. Some are here with the proper paperwork - still doesn't make it fair that they get free college - and they do in many cases in the form of grants. Scholarships is another story - they have to really earn those and I don't fault anyone for that.
And renters don't pay tax - the owner does. As was mentioned before - if that owner forecloses, the tax doesn't get paid by the renters - that's for sure. And that covers all renters, not just the illegals. But, it's the illegals that should be contributing to the education of their children since most US citizens and legal immigrants do. If I were to go to any country in this world and demand equal rights and free education/health coverage for my family without becoming a citizen - I just don't see that happening.
So be poor if you want grant aid. You have that choice.Point me to the "free education for immigrants" bill.
Or be smarter. I know lots of middle class and rich kids that never paid for college.
Your second point is fairly dumb. An illegal immigrant contributes just as much as a legal renter does. Do you think most of the renters in your district are illegal.
Firebird
06-11-2009, 09:47 AM
Yes they are eligible. And there are plenty of scholarships available to undocumented students that do not require the student to be a US citizen or resident or have a social security number in order to apply.
Actually, they aren't, but good try.
CyFallsMom
06-11-2009, 09:47 AM
What about all the illeagal immigrants whose kids are back home and have no children in the school, but still pay rent?
Does every apartment have three families per?
Okay, I know you aren't that ignorant. I was citing an "example" not what goes on in every single apartment. It does happen though. They are paying RENT not TAXES and stop with the "they pay it through the rent" - they are not responsible for taxes and can leave that rented house at any time. RESPONSIBILITY - for the most part it is not something they subscribe to. Many of them have a lot of kids too - it's a strain on the system.
Firebird
06-11-2009, 09:49 AM
Yes they are eligible. And there are plenty of scholarships available to undocumented students that do not require the student to be a US citizen or resident or have a social security number in order to apply.
Who is eligible to receive Federal Student Aid?
To receive federal student aid, you must meet certain requirements. You must:
Be a U.S. citizen or eligible noncitizen.
Have a valid Social Security Number (unless you’re from the Republic of the Marshall Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, or the Republic of Palau).
Be registered with Selective Service if you are male and 18 to 25 years of age (go to www.sss.gov for more information).
Have a high school diploma or a General Education Development (GED) Certificate or pass an exam approved by the U.S. Department of Education.
Be enrolled or accepted for enrollment as a regular student working toward a degree or certificate in an eligible program at a school that participates in the federal student aid programs.
Not have a drug conviction for an offense that occurred while you were receiving federal student aid (such as grants, loans, or work-study
With regards to scholarships, what business is it of yours if private organizations choose to give money to someone?
Firebird
06-11-2009, 09:51 AM
Okay, I know you aren't that ignorant. I was citing an "example" not what goes on in every single apartment. It does happen though. They are paying RENT not TAXES and stop with the "they pay it through the rent" - they are not responsible for taxes and can leave that rented house at any time. RESPONSIBILITY - for the most part it is not something they subscribe to. Many of them have a lot of kids too - it's a strain on the system.
Every single word of that applies to anyone who rents.
I am surprised to learn that none of the rent I pay goes towards property taxes.
They are probably using the separate bank account method to ensure that no money from rent goes towards taxes. Gotta keep it separate.
Okay, I know you aren't that ignorant. I was citing an "example" not what goes on in every single apartment. It does happen though. They are paying RENT not TAXES and stop with the "they pay it through the rent" - they are not responsible for taxes and can leave that rented house at any time. RESPONSIBILITY - for the most part it is not something they subscribe to. Many of them have a lot of kids too - it's a strain on the system.
At which point they are not going to school, right?
CyFallsMom
06-11-2009, 09:55 AM
So be poor if you want grant aid. You have that choice.Point me to the "free education for immigrants" bill.
Or be smarter. I know lots of middle class and rich kids that never paid for college.
Your second point is fairly dumb. An illegal immigrant contributes just as much as a legal renter does. Do you think most of the renters in your district are illegal.
Have you not yet gotten the point that I don't care for illegals leeching off our society? Trying to pick my comments apart and compare to legal vs illegal is a waste of time. If they want to be considered EQUAL, become a CITIZEN and pay your fair share!!!
A different example. The other day, my daughter came to me crying and holding her head. She couldn't see out of one eye and she was in excruciating pain in her head. I drove to the hospital as fast as I could, I walk in and the emergency room is loaded with people waiting for care for colds and sprained ankles (I know this because I had to wait in the room with them). Thankfully, they felt hers was a little more important and threatening and we didn't have to wait too long. Of course, I had to pay for my daughter. Didn't see them pay anything.
Firebird
06-11-2009, 10:00 AM
Have you not yet gotten the point that I don't care for illegals leeching off our society? Trying to pick my comments apart and compare to legal vs illegal is a waste of time. If they want to be considered EQUAL, become a CITIZEN and pay your fair share!!!
A different example. The other day, my daughter came to me crying and holding her head. She couldn't see out of one eye and she was in excruciating pain in her head. I drove to the hospital as fast as I could, I walk in and the emergency room is loaded with people waiting for care for colds and sprained ankles (I know this because I had to wait in the room with them). Thankfully, they felt hers was a little more important and threatening and we didn't have to wait too long. Of course, I had to pay for my daughter. Didn't see them pay anything.
OK, so what I am getting from you is that you:
A. Made a completely ficticious statement (Immigrants go to college for free)
B. Got called on it and were proven wrong.
C. Instead of talking about the fact that you are just making things up, decide to go on a rant tha the important thing is all these renters, who may or may not be illegal (you don't know, unless they all are in your e-verify system), are leeches on the society.
Do they take care of payments out in public in your hospital? At mine we go into a little room to settle up, present insurance, pay any bills, etc. I don't recall hanging around tracking the payment habits of the other people in the room. I did ask them to show me greencards, but no luck, they just got angry.
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 10:06 AM
With regards to scholarships, what business is it of yours if private organizations choose to give money to someone?
Hit a soft spot again?
Firebird
06-11-2009, 10:07 AM
Hit a soft spot again?
I am a big believer in the right of people to do what they want with their money. And also a big believer in not simply making things up out of my head to get mad about.
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 10:12 AM
I am a big believer in the right of people to do what they want with their money. And also a big believer in not simply making things up out of my head to get mad about.
I dont think she is making up anything.
A person who believes he pays his property taxes just because he signed a rental lease, well, thats a whole different thing.
Firebird
06-11-2009, 10:15 AM
I dont think she is making up anything.
A person who believes he pays his property taxes just because he signed a rental lease, well, thats a whole different thing.
1. She absolutely made up the fact that immigrants go to college for free.
2. I don't pay taxes after signing a lease, I pay taxes after paying my rent. In the same way that a merchant actually cuts a check to the state for sales tax, but actually collects the money from me to pay it. If I weren't paying taxes indirectly, my rent would be less. Are you seriously trying to argue that landlords don't use reciepts to pay their taxes?
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 10:16 AM
Tell me, what's an eligible non citizen?
Firebird
06-11-2009, 10:18 AM
Tell me, what's an eligible non citizen?
Legal resident, with a social security number.
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 10:22 AM
Legal resident, with a social security number.
not always. They dont have to have a SSN.
Still an immigrant, right?
Firebird
06-11-2009, 10:23 AM
not always. They dont have to have a SSN.
Still an immigrant, right?
Yes, they do need to have an SS because that is how DHS checks their eligibility. Did you not even read the quote I provided from the government's own site, which states upfront the need for an SSN?
Still an immigrant, but being able to fill out the FAFSA =/= "immigrants get to go to college for free."
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 10:28 AM
Yes, they do need to have an SS because that is how DHS checks their eligibility. Did you not even read the quote I provided from the government's own site, which states upfront the need for an SSN?
Still an immigrant, but being able to fill out the FAFSA =/= "immigrants get to go to college for free."
Some state aid and college aid doesnt require it. The FAFSA does, but the others dont.
Still an immigrant, but now its free.
slcdragonfan
06-11-2009, 10:42 AM
For the last time, they dont pay any property tax. Why? Because they dont own any freaking property.
But really, that is not an illegal immigrant issue. That could be your 85 year old grandmother, or my brother-in-law.
Firebird
06-11-2009, 10:43 AM
Some state aid and college aid doesnt require it. The FAFSA does, but the others dont.
Still an immigrant, but now its free.
You originally said that illegal immigrants are eligble for FAFSA aid, that was proven wrong. You then claimed that immigrants without an SSN were eligible, that was also proven wrong. Now it's some vague "state and college aid". Point me towards your evidence of this instead of just making statements.
Show me the evidence of all these immigrants going to college for "free", or rather going to college on your tax dollars. An immigrant who recieves a scholarship or grant from a private source or endowment is not going for "free", but rather on someone else's dime. And it's really none of your or CyFallsMom's concern what private citizens choose to spend their money on....
JMSFan
06-11-2009, 11:01 AM
You originally said that illegal immigrants are eligble for FAFSA aid, that was proven wrong. You then claimed that immigrants without an SSN were eligible, that was also proven wrong. Now it's some vague "state and college aid". Point me towards your evidence of this instead of just making statements.
Show me the evidence of all these immigrants going to college for "free", or rather going to college on your tax dollars. An immigrant who recieves a scholarship or grant from a private source or endowment is not going for "free", but rather on someone else's dime. And it's really none of your or CyFallsMom's concern what private citizens choose to spend their money on....
I copied and pasted this (just like Phoenix)
Myth: You can't get any financial aid without a Social Security Number / documentation.
Reality: Generally, undocumented students who are Texas residents** and who can demonstrate financial need to the college may be eligible for state funded aid programs, excluding work-study (as these students don't have work permits, they can't participate in work-study). To apply, these students must complete the FAFSA (paper version only as they don't have a Social Security Number) and give that application directly to the financial aid office at the college (that is, don't send it in to the Dept. of Ed. for processing).The college financial aid office will then make all awards based on their determination of the student's needs.
**Generally, you may be considered a Texas resident if, prior to the time you enroll in a Texas college or university, you (or your parent, if you are a dependent for federal income tax purposes):
have lived in Texas for at least 12 months,
have been “gainfully employed” in Texas for at least 12 months, and
can prove that you have established Texas as your permanent home.
http://www.netnet.org/students/financial%20aid%20links.htm
twcpfan1
06-11-2009, 06:27 PM
I said Immigrants - not Illegal Immigrants. Some are here with the proper paperwork - still doesn't make it fair that they get free college - and they do in many cases in the form of grants. Scholarships is another story - they have to really earn those and I don't fault anyone for that.
And renters don't pay tax - the owner does. As was mentioned before - if that owner forecloses, the tax doesn't get paid by the renters - that's for sure. And that covers all renters, not just the illegals. But, it's the illegals that should be contributing to the education of their children since most US citizens and legal immigrants do. If I were to go to any country in this world and demand equal rights and free education/health coverage for my family without becoming a citizen - I just don't see that happening.
If you become a permanent legal resident (not necessarily a citizen) of just about any developed country, you are entitled to just about anything a citizen is entitled to except the right to vote. In some cases you may not be eligible for a govt job.
If you become a permanent legal resident (not necessarily a citizen) of just about any developed country, you are entitled to just about anything a citizen is entitled to except the right to vote. In some cases you may not be eligible for a govt job.
Even if you are renting?
twcpfan1
06-11-2009, 06:34 PM
Even if you are renting?
Ha :laugh
mad_fan
06-11-2009, 06:47 PM
If you become a permanent legal resident (not necessarily a citizen) of just about any developed country, you are entitled to just about anything a citizen is entitled to except the right to vote. In some cases you may not be eligible for a govt job.
ms mad considers these blessings...:rolleyes:
twcpfan1
06-11-2009, 06:59 PM
ms mad considers these blessings...:rolleyes:
Yeah I kinda figured that. I'm married to a colonial too. I can relate
EagleDude73
06-11-2009, 08:10 PM
True...and it keeps childless people like ms mad and mad in a smaller home in the city...
The tax rates out at the other place are nothing...and the same place in the city would be 'worth' 40-50% more...
quit posting so much and sending ms mad off to Canada and go make some babies
mad_fan
06-11-2009, 08:41 PM
quit posting so much and sending ms mad off to Canada and go make some babies
Where did I say I haven't been doing that???:rolleyes:
EagleDude73
06-11-2009, 09:00 PM
Where did I say I haven't been doing that???:rolleyes:
babies - I want babies c'mon i have all of the pedi stealin'n monitors to install and new incubators Go make some babies mad
dragons08
06-14-2009, 01:11 AM
Man, if you saw what my parents pay in property tax you'd freak out!
TEXREB
06-25-2009, 11:51 PM
CFISD Board of Trustees voted to keep the 20% Optional Homestead Exemption in place by a vote of 5-1.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6498436.html
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