Southlake Carroll to Play an out of State Powerhouse?

[RidgePride]

How many of you would want Southlake Carroll to play an out of State Powerhouse in a non-district game next year?

I believe it gives Texas a chance to "put our money where our mouths are."

Would this be good for Southlake Carroll and Texas Football?

[grayowl60]

How many of you would want Southlake Carroll to play an out of State Powerhouse in a non-district game next year?

I believe it gives Texas a chance to "put our money where our mouths are."

Would this be good for Southlake Carroll and Texas Football?
I thought Dodge had a chance to play one of thr teams Lee played and turned it down.

[BAMF cowboy]

Southlake has nothing to prove. National games are just for glamour. This is not college football, scheduling pre-district powerhouses serves you no advantage. If Dodge has any sense he'll realize that this is pointless, and he can find just as good competition in Texas.

[KT2000]

Added question mark onto end of title to avoid misleading anyone.

Southlake doesn't need to play any out of state teams in my opinion. I'm not a big fan of that because I don't want to let the networks take advantage of HS football to boost their weeknight ratings.

[SLCDad]

A game like that would be 100% stupid, stupid, stupid.

[dragonfan22]

i agree anyways the only ones who would care about the game is people who are playing in it, not anyone else from some weird town in washington...

plus southlake doesnt need to prove anything to anyone..they know what they are capable about and how good they are..so just go screw the other teams

[supercentex]

I would like to see them do it....not this year (2006)....but maybe in 2007 right before district play.........but, the team from out of state has to play at Dragon Stadium.

[The Lone Ranger]

It would be at Texas Stadium.

And you'd have to play both 2006 and 2007, because contracts for football are signed on a 2-year basis. There isn't a school in the state who'd sign a 1-year non-district contract, and then agree to not have a 10th game in 2007.

So it's 2 games, or none at all.

[ACM Dad]

I think Dragon Stadium=Texas Stadium=Texslum Stadium

[supercentex]

It doesn't have to be a two year deal.........Tyler Lee did it..........instead of playing Lufkin.....Lufkin played PAM

[t00 playa]

too bad they couldnt have played a top notch this year... this yrs carroll team would have definitely made a national statement....:eek:

[Red Raiders]

It doesn't have to be a two year deal.........Tyler Lee did it..........instead of playing Lufkin.....Lufkin played PAM

I think it was a good deal for us because Lufkin is one heck of hard team and Colerain was ok and the best part is that we just proved to Ohio that we have 4-6 record. Imagine 30 other Texas teams could beat Ohio.

[BAMF cowboy]

too bad they couldnt have played a top notch this year... this yrs carroll team would have definitely made a national statement....:eek:

right now...yes

at the beginning of the season...no

this SLC team has come on leaps and bounds since week zero in abilene.

[dragons08]

this would be a stupid idea..espically if played out of state..the amount of slc fans in attedance would be small..just look at a PLAYOFF game against Lufkin IN texas..we couldnt even fill our side..imagine traveling out of state with hotel, airfare, and what ever else comes with it..plus i doubt the band, drill team, cheerleaders, and what ever else is at the game would all be there, thus taking away from the 'expirience' horrible idea

[BAMF cowboy]

this would be a stupid idea..espically if played out of state..the amount of slc fans in attedance would be small..just look at a PLAYOFF game against Lufkin IN texas..we couldnt even fill our side..imagine traveling out of state with hotel, airfare, and what ever else comes with it..plus i doubt the band, drill team, cheerleaders, and what ever else is at the game would all be there, thus taking away from the 'expirience' horrible idea

no they'd get the band and belles etc. out there. but as for attendance...you're right, it wouldnt be so good.

[dragons08]

no they'd get the band and belles etc. out there. but as for attendance...you're right, it wouldnt be so good.
well maybe your right about the bands, mr b would IMO do all he can to get us out there..

but yea the fan support will = horrible

[BAMF cowboy]

well maybe your right about the bands, mr b would IMO do all he can to get us out there..

but yea the fan support will = horrible

more like Dodge would do all he could. and honestly, whatever Dodge says goes.

Dodge loves the band, he'd make sure they'd be there. and if the band was there, so would the rest.

[dragons08]

more like Dodge would do all he could. and honestly, whatever Dodge says goes.

Dodge loves the band, he'd make sure they'd be there. and if the band was there, so would the rest.
really? and you call us losers..

[BAMF cowboy]

really? and you call us losers..

dont flatter yourself too much, he loves the crew more

(reference: Dragon Cookbook, Dragon Football Recipe for Success)

[dragons08]

dont flatter yourself too much, he loves the crew more

(reference: Dragon Cookbook, Dragon Football Recipe for Success)
hmm i havent seen said cookbook..so i guess i wont take your word for it..

[The Lone Ranger]

It doesn't have to be a two year deal.........Tyler Lee did it..........instead of playing Lufkin.....Lufkin played PAM

Tyler Lee had a 2-year deal with Lufkin, and a 2-year deal with PAM. They broke both of those contracts to play Chaminade and Colerain. Had REL not won the state title in 2004, neither of those games would have happened and REL would have played Lufkin and PAM.

PAM and Lufkin luckilly had coincidental off-dates, and played each other for a 10th game. REL needed their approval to break the contracts, though.

However, no school will go into a contract knowing that they won't have a 10th game availible in 2007. Lufkin and PAM got lucky that REL screwed both of them at once. I can't see Carroll scheduling 2 out-of-state games for 2007. Maybe if they schedule one for 2006 and one for 2007, then they wouldn't screw any Texas team.

DeLaSalle's big games versus SoCal competition (LB Poly and Mater Dei) were scheduled on 2-year contracts.

[dragonfootballfan]

It would be at Texas Stadium.

And you'd have to play both 2006 and 2007, because contracts for football are signed on a 2-year basis. There isn't a school in the state who'd sign a 1-year non-district contract, and then agree to not have a 10th game in 2007.

So it's 2 games, or none at all.
that is not true. There are many national games that do not take place twice. Ask Tyler Lee

[stevefoxsc]

I think it was a good deal for us because Lufkin is one heck of hard team and Colerain was ok and the best part is that we just proved to Ohio that we have 4-6 record. Imagine 30 other Texas teams could beat Ohio.


lol you try telling them that this is what they would say
" omg you Texass team's think your the best we'll get over it our state champion's beat your state champion's you guy's can't even play D ohio football is better" trust me ive said the same thing to them it never fails

[Redneckn]

I don't necessarily see SLC playing an out of state team so much for proving anything to anyone other than themselves.

SLC is running the board here in Texas and I think they like it that way. I sure don't expect them risking a loss to an out of state team anytime soon.


I like it when teams play teams from other states. I think it can be a good thing most of the time. I think playing too many teams from out of state can be a bad idea though.
Texas has a pretty good thing going though. Back in Louisiana, when ECA got to where they were pretty much unstoppable, nobody in Louisiana would play them unless they HAD to. That sucked for several reasons. Mainly it sucked having to travel out of town a lot for pre-district. But it did put ECA on the map. It also put a target on their backs moreso than already was.

[Jtate862003]

And now Texas foootball is > ECA

[adcwalker]

SLC should play out of state teams. The SLC fans are the first to talk about being national champions. Let them prove it on the field.

[rich_pack]

Why do you think a nationally game is stupid, but brag about being nationally ranked?

[slcsportsfan]

Fans can talk all they want to. Sadly, on this board, they do.

Coach Dodge has said numerous times that there are more than enough good teams to play in the state of Texas. Don't hold your breath on Carroll playing anyone from out of state. That being said, the district just will not pony up to send them anywhere. Heck, they even complain about the cost to bus them to away games to Abilene.

[dragonfootballfan]

National games are ridiculous. The road team almost always loses.

[SLCDad]

Why do you think a nationally game is stupid, but brag about being nationally ranked?I can't think of even one benefit to any football program by playing an out of state opponent in a pre-district game. Why would any coach in is right mind agree to such a game (unless he was motivated by money)? Almost all teams are still developing in the pre-district games. With all of the new players pre-district is the time to incorporate the new players, build the players confidence, work on areas of weakness, etc., etc., etc. For many players the pre-district games are their first varsity starts. Going off in an attempt to prove something by playing an out of state team is 100% stupid at that time of the season.

There is a reason college bowl games are played at the end of the season rather than the beginning.

Further, we all know that the national rankings are totally mythical and one out of state game would do absolutely nothing to change that.

[Redneckn]

And now Texas foootball is > ECA


How do you figure that one? I'm at work and don't have my stats and junk with me but ECA has only lost to Longview, Abilene, and TxHigh in recent years. I think ECA is 9-7 total with Texas teams. I can't recall how many times they played Marshall Tx to know the exact #, but it seems like it was only 2x they played.

Reviewing what you said... You're right, currently Texas ball is better. It hasn't always been this way and it will certainly cycle around again.

Either way, being 9(or so) and 7 against Texas teams isn't that bad for anyone. I can remember when there were teams in Texas that wanted no part of ECA. Take JohnTyler for instance.. That got that little hiney spanked at home against ECA and wouldn't play them anymore. The only team in Texas that wanted more was Longview. And my hat's off to them for that one. They are really the only team in Texas that deserves to really talk crap about ECA as they are the only team in Texas to consistantly give ECA hell on the field 4 years in a row.

[Redneckn]

National games are ridiculous. The road team almost always loses.


I don't think that is necessarily true.

[BAMF cowboy]

SLC should play out of state teams. The SLC fans are the first to talk about being national champions. Let them prove it on the field.

good point, but those who usually do the bragging about the national championship are the ignorant fans who know little about the game of football. they just go around saying 'national champs yay!' not knowing who unrealistic it actually is. now, i'm assuming this board is full of semi-intelligent people that know the game pretty well, and i think we can all come to the conclusion together, that a national game serves little to no purpose whatsoever.

[Redneckn]

good point, but those who usually do the bragging about the national championship are the ignorant fans who know little about the game of football. they just go around saying 'national champs yay!' not knowing who unrealistic it actually is. now, i'm assuming this board is full of semi-intelligent people that know the game pretty well, and i think we can all come to the conclusion together, that a national game serves little to no purpose whatsoever.

You have a point.. Sorta.

My thing is what when you already know that you are the rest of Texas' daddy, why not go out a time or 2 and see what the grass is like on the other side? I can't see what it could possibly hurt to do this. Other than risk losing to a team from some other state and having to hear about it from now on. And no matter what, SLC could lose 1 or 2 times to out of state teams and still be on top here in Texas.

It's a great novelty for the fans and players IMO. Get to get out into the unknown a little bit and all...

But if SLC wont, then they wont. I can pretty much bet that SLC is not going to decide based off what we (on this board) think though.

[BAMF cowboy]

You have a point.. Sorta.

My thing is what when you already know that you are the rest of Texas' daddy, why not go out a time or 2 and see what the grass is like on the other side? I can't see what it could possibly hurt to do this. Other than risk losing to a team from some other state and having to hear about it from now on. And no matter what, SLC could lose 1 or 2 times to out of state teams and still be on top here in Texas.

It's a great novelty for the fans and players IMO. Get to get out into the unknown a little bit and all...

But if SLC wont, then they wont. I can pretty much bet that SLC is not going to decide based off what we (on this board) think though.

ill agree with the first paragraph, the second paragraph proves the point. all it is, is novelty.

[Redneckn]

ill agree with the first paragraph, the second paragraph proves the point. all it is, is novelty.


But you act as if there is something wrong with that... I feel like if the players and fans would like some outta state action, they should get it.

As I say that, I do keep in mind that most of the SLC folks around here seem to be opposed to the whole idea of playing anyone from outta state. And that's fine.

[slcsportsfan]

Please see my above post.

Players and fans can want a lot of things. Games like this will not happen while Dodge is at the helm. By the way, the AD is not interested either.

[Redneckn]

Please see my above post.

Players and fans can want a lot of things. Games like this will not happen while Dodge is at the helm. By the way, the AD is not interested either.


That seems a little bit self serving on Dodges part to me...But that's SLS's problem, not mine.

I will tell you though, I think he's scared of getting his hiney spanked and that's why he wont play outta state teams. I'd even say there are some Texas teams he wouldn't schedule for the same reason. He doesn't want "his" record to have a blemish on it. Kind of makes me think about a particular college coach in SouthCal. Won't schedule a strong team because he doesnt want to risk the loss.

[slcsportsfan]

Think what you like.

If our district complains about the cost to bus our players to Abilene, do you really think they will let the team go out of state? They even through a fit about the team playing Midland Lee at the Kickoff Classic in 04.

As for Dodge being scared. They've beaten everyone except one for four years. I guess they could play some good 3A or 4A teams if that would make you happy. I know they use the, what I call, preseason games to get ready for district. They use district games to get ready for the playoffs. I believe that this coaching staff does a good job NOT getting drawn into stupid stuff like this and focusing JUST on winning the State championship. I think that is why they have the same goals every year. 1. Win District outright. 2. Practice on Thanksgiving day. From there they re-evaluate.

[Redneckn]

Think what you like.

If our district complains about the cost to bus our players to Abilene, do you really think they will let the team go out of state? They even through a fit about the team playing Midland Lee at the Kickoff Classic in 04.

As for Dodge being scared. They've beaten everyone except one for four years. I guess they could play some good 3A or 4A teams if that would make you happy. I know they use the, what I call, preseason games to get ready for district. They use district games to get ready for the playoffs. I believe that this coaching staff does a good job NOT getting drawn into stupid stuff like this and focusing JUST on winning the State championship. I think that is why they have the same goals every year. 1. Win District outright. 2. Practice on Thanksgiving day. From there they re-evaluate.

SLC has money problems? WHAT? I would think the PTA could raise some money for that. No, it wouldnt make me happy for them to play 3 or 4A teams. Although I can think of a couple that might give them a run for their money..haha.. Again, I honestly don't care because I don't have a dog in the hunt either way. I just feel like if you are winning all your pre-districts by huge margins, then you aren't playing anybody that can compete. I don't see how that is "helping" the program other than just to boost up their egos. SLC could lose all their pre-district games and still win district outright and win the state title. (ECA did that this year)
When looking back on SLC's pre-district schedule, I don't see where beating the snot out of teams is helping SLC. I can see where it would help the other teams though. But SLC is not concerned with that.


Again. If Dodge is dead set against playing out of state teams it is only because he is looking out for his own interests. If that is the case, he is short changing the kids there.

[dragonfootballfan]

Just because you have money does not mean that you should just throw it away by playing a meaningless football game that can only do more harm than good. If Carroll were to play a game that is out of state, they would most likely have to have students miss school. Missing school is not more important than a predistrict game.

[Redneckn]

I like most of y'all from SLC, I really do.. But all I'm hearing is excuses... It's odd to me. It's odd in the same way that Longview hates ECA so very much, but has beat them 4 in a row. I just don't understand it.

[DrEdward]

How many of you would want Southlake Carroll to play an out of State Powerhouse in a non-district game next year?

I believe it gives Texas a chance to "put our money where our mouths are."

Would this be good for Southlake Carroll and Texas Football?

There are a few reasons that Carroll has not played non-district game against an out-of-state team:

1) scheduling - need to schedule two years in advance. Doesn't have to be the same team over a two year period, but it can be at leat a bit difficult to find teams willing to play a one game series, especially if they have to do the traveling.

2) travel costs - while some dismiss the idea that Carroll has monetary concerns, it is nevertheless true. It cab rather expensive transporting an entire football team, it equipment and support staff to a remote site,. Then there is the cost for hotel rooms, food, etc. But just as important and frequently forgotten are the revenues that Carroll must forego when it travels to an out of state location, giving up a home game. These include ticket sales, concession sales, and parking fees. Given the attendance at Carroll home games, this cab a very signifigant amout of contribution foregone and largely explains why an AD would not be enthusiastic about giving up a home game.

All that being said, it would be interesting to have seen the 2005 Dragons play a Lakeland or Mission Viejo at the end of the season.

[SLCDad]

Please see my above post.

Players and fans can want a lot of things. Games like this will not happen while Dodge is at the helm. By the way, the AD is not interested either.They are both smart people.

[BAMF cowboy]

I like most of y'all from SLC, I really do.. But all I'm hearing is excuses... It's odd to me. It's odd in the same way that Longview hates ECA so very much, but has beat them 4 in a row. I just don't understand it.

The point is, playing these national games are all well and good. But honestly, what is the goal of every team each season. Winning the state title, that's what. By playing an out of state game, sure it's great for tv and all the hype and everything, but in the long run will it really help to win a state title, when you can scheudle just as good competition right here in texas? sure we can make all these excuses, but the point is...it doesn't benefit US in any way. we're not here to impress national critics, or fans around texas and the nation. im sorry redneckn, dodge doesn't care if you want to see us take on Mission Viejo. We care about us, and winning a STATE title.

[RidgePride]

The point is, playing these national games are all well and good. But honestly, what is the goal of every team each season. Winning the state title, that's what. By playing an out of state game, sure it's great for tv and all the hype and everything, but in the long run will it really help to win a state title, when you can scheudle just as good competition right here in texas? sure we can make all these excuses, but the point is...it doesn't benefit US in any way. we're not here to impress national critics, or fans around texas and the nation. im sorry redneckn, dodge doesn't care if you want to see us take on Mission Viejo. We care about us, and winning a STATE title.
Impressing the national critics is important to SLC as it would be for any school in their position.
The more exposure gained for SLC the better reputation they get in Texas as well as the nation which will equal more $. It will also equal more exposure for Dodge as a coach, and more College recruits to SLC.

Everyone wants to come out and see the #1 ranked team in the nation even if it is mythical.

The question is...does the risk outweigh the reward? Remember De La Salle of California was like (ridiculous number - 0) then decided to play an out of state team and was defeated. Hindsight says it was a dumb move by De La Salle.

[drgnbkr]

As Coach Dodge has said..."why go a long way to play someone when we have great competition in our own area?"

[BAMF cowboy]

Impressing the national critics is important to SLC as it would be for any school in their position.
The more exposure gained for SLC the better reputation they get in Texas as well as the nation which will equal more $. It will also equal more exposure for Dodge as a coach, and more College recruits to SLC.

Everyone wants to come out and see the #1 ranked team in the nation even if it is mythical.

The question is...does the risk outweigh the reward? Remember De La Salle of California was like (ridiculous number - 0) then decided to play an out of state team and was defeated. Hindsight says it was a dumb move by De La Salle.

the funny thing though...is that it's not. it's important for the students, and the fans. but to the players and the coaches? i dont think they could care less. yes im sure they are flattered that they have been deemd the #1 team in the nation for the past two years, but i guarantee you if you call coach dodge, he'll say he has nothing to prove.

3 out 4 consecutive appearances in the finest state for HS football is proof enough.

[The Lone Ranger]

the funny thing though...is that it's not. it's important for the students, and the fans. but to the players and the coaches? i dont think they could care less. yes im sure they are flattered that they have been deemd the #1 team in the nation for the past two years, but i guarantee you if you call coach dodge, he'll say he has nothing to prove.

3 out 4 consecutive appearances in the finest state for HS football is proof enough.

They've actually made 4 out of 4 final appearances since rising to 5A. They've lost 1 game in 5A, by 1 point, in the state final.
Dodge won't have scheduled non-district games with out-of-state teams. I'd almost guarantee it that he knows already who he's gonna play in non-district...he's just waiting until February 1st to make it official.

[BAMF cowboy]

They've actually made 4 out of 4 final appearances since rising to 5A. They've lost 1 game in 5A, by 1 point, in the state final.
Dodge won't have scheduled non-district games with out-of-state teams. I'd almost guarantee it that he knows already who he's gonna play in non-district...he's just waiting until February 1st to make it official.

i meant 3 titles out of 4 consecutive appearances, i suppose it was worded awkwardly.

[Redneckn]

The point is, playing these national games are all well and good. But honestly, what is the goal of every team each season. Winning the state title, that's what. By playing an out of state game, sure it's great for tv and all the hype and everything, but in the long run will it really help to win a state title, when you can scheudle just as good competition right here in texas? sure we can make all these excuses, but the point is...it doesn't benefit US in any way. we're not here to impress national critics, or fans around texas and the nation. im sorry redneckn, dodge doesn't care if you want to see us take on Mission Viejo. We care about us, and winning a STATE title.


My point is that when you are playing Tx teams week in and week out and stomping them, how is that improving your team? All that does is make you good enough to beat other Texas teams. What is that going to do for the player once he is having to play in places other than Tx? Meaning college.

I know I use ECA as my example a lot. But that is the only program I have seen first hand from is very beginning. And I also got to see first hand what ECA did for football in Louisiana. When ECA first got started (2nd year) they put the ball in the air almost every single down. They ran 4 and 5 WR's and a QB sometimes almost 9 yards back. (because they had no O-line). When teams lined up against them, they had no idea what to do most of the time because they had never seen anything like it. Not to say they were unbeatable, because they were. But teams had a really hard time with it. There was actually a point where a team was able to not get beat by more than 21 and they tried to have "clinics" on how to not get smothered by ECA.

I realize what SLC is doing. They are dominating ball in TX. But is it fair to draw the line there?

[VB Pack Fan]

Southlake has nothing to prove. National games are just for glamour. This is not college football, scheduling pre-district powerhouses serves you no advantage. If Dodge has any sense he'll realize that this is pointless, and he can find just as good competition in Texas.

Well said, I could not agree more, and besides half of this team will be gone .

[drgnbkr]

My point is that when you are playing Tx teams week in and week out and stomping them, how is that improving your team? All that does is make you good enough to beat other Texas teams. What is that going to do for the player once he is having to play in places other than Tx? Meaning college.

I know I use ECA as my example a lot. But that is the only program I have seen first hand from is very beginning. And I also got to see first hand what ECA did for football in Louisiana. When ECA first got started (2nd year) they put the ball in the air almost every single down. They ran 4 and 5 WR's and a QB sometimes almost 9 yards back. (because they had no O-line). When teams lined up against them, they had no idea what to do most of the time because they had never seen anything like it. Not to say they were unbeatable, because they were. But teams had a really hard time with it. There was actually a point where a team was able to not get beat by more than 21 and they tried to have "clinics" on how to not get smothered by ECA.

I realize what SLC is doing. They are dominating ball in TX. But is it fair to draw the line there?

Texas has the best & by far the deepest competition in the country...Carroll has had a good run, but you don't see any of us talking about "stomping" all the competition...Katy, Lufkin, SV, Plano (this year) and a host of others could go anywhere and beat up on other states teams, but whats the point? We have the best teams here to play....

[Redneckn]

Texas has the best & by far the deepest competition in the country...Carroll has had a good run, but you don't see any of us talking about "stomping" all the competition...Katy, Lufkin, SV, Plano (this year) and a host of others could go anywhere and beat up on other states teams, but whats the point? We have the best teams here to play....

That really is such a complete cop-out. Surely you can come up with something better than that...
It's that very kind of statement that makes a lot of people come back with "you sure haven't proven it".

[toonman]

Any of the last 4 four seasons would have been the right time to play out of state games; as SLC clearly had great teams in each of these seasons. But in the next 2 years the team may not be as good for SLC and as such makes an out of state game a poor proposition, as there is no real benefit due to all the reasons stated in this thread. The non-benefits outweigh the benefits of playing out of state games; unless it is in Oklahoma for example, where the distances traveled could be the same as play-off game in Texas and therefore less of a disruption and distraction.

[dragonfootballfan]

My point is that when you are playing Tx teams week in and week out and stomping them, how is that improving your team? All that does is make you good enough to beat other Texas teams. What is that going to do for the player once he is having to play in places other than Tx? Meaning college.

I realize what SLC is doing. They are dominating ball in TX. But is it fair to draw the line there?
Would you have like Carroll to schedule a nationally ranked team from Missouri like Rockhurst. They played Abilene in Texas stadium and Abilene won by 2 touchdowns. Carroll beat Abilene 52-0 later this season. What would Carroll gained by playing Rockhurst in predistrict?

[Redneckn]

Would you have like Carroll to schedule a nationally ranked team from Missouri like Rockhurst. They played Abilene in Texas stadium and Abilene won by 2 touchdowns. Carroll beat Abilene 52-0 later this season. What would Carroll gained by playing Rockhurst in predistrict?


I'm not naming a team directly for them to play. I guess I could if I needed to though.

Lakeland, Fla (15-0)
Independence, Charlotte (14-0) *have heard they wont play outta state either*
St. Thomas Aquinas, Fort Lauderdale (13-1)
Springdale, Ark. (14-0) *school busted up after this year. cant play them now*
St. Xavier, Cincinnati (15-0)
South Panola, Batesville, Miss. (14-0)
Byrnes, Duncan, S.C. (15-0)
Hoover, Ala. (14-1)
Landstown, Virginia Beach, Va. (12-1)

Any of those but the 2 with *notes would be good games.
I realize we get back into the whole "no money to travel" cop out though. I know we aren't ever going to agree on this but I do want you to understand that I am not trying to take anything away from SLC. You can't dominate football in Texas and not be good and I do know that.

[dragonfootballfan]

there are great teams in Texas that Carroll can play to prepare them for the upcoming district season and the playoffs. Unlike ECA, Carroll does not have a hard time scheduling games with in state teams because there are many teams that would love to get their shot at them.

[CCHS77]

I realize we get back into the whole "no money to travel" cop out though. I know we aren't ever going to agree on this but I do want you to understand that I am not trying to take anything away from SLC. You can't dominate football in Texas and not be good and I do know that.


Redneckn,

I think you are on to something!! Looks like your "lame" campaign will force Dodge and Tipps to schedule an out of state foe!!

As a CISD taxpayer, I’m against to concept. It serves no useful purpose, except to appease some out of state posters on several of these forums.

[DawgDave]

Would be a waste of money.
It's one thing to travel to Arkansas, OK or LA to play those schools, but this Ohio vs Texas nonsense is just that - nonsense.
Cincinnati Colerain beat Tyler Lee. Big Dea. The following week Colerain lost to an in-state team. Neither of these two teams did much this year.

[allendad]

Those games are a waste of time.

Let the "private" high schools travel around trying to find competition.

Besides, I don't think it would be too smart to try and make a national
showcase out of a team that has so many questions to be solved.

But, to me the idea of matching up these high school teams is nothing more than EGO CANDY for parents/alumni.

I feel it is exploiting the kids. They are in high school. Let them BE in high school!

Allendad

[adcwalker]

SLC can schedule Highland Park for a non-district game. They are in the metroplex. Or will SLC not schedule a lower classification team?

[Redneckn]

Redneckn,

I think you are on to something!! Looks like your "lame" campaign will force Dodge and Tipps to schedule an out of state foe!!

As a CISD taxpayer, I’m against to concept. It serves no useful purpose, except to appease some out of state posters on several of these forums.

I'm not an out of state poster numbnutz. I live in Austin. I am on no campaign. I just stated that like the idea and think it would be a good thing. You don't think so and that's fine by me. Short cut your kids if you want, that's your business.

[Redneckn]

SLC can schedule Highland Park for a non-district game. They are in the metroplex. Or will SLC not schedule a lower classification team?

SLC isn't going to schedule a team with a good chance of beating them. Let's call and ace an ace here.

[sportsfan79]

SLC isn't going to schedule a team with a good chance of beating them. Let's call and ace an ace here.

You can't be serious.

[DrEdward]

SLC isn't going to schedule a team with a good chance of beating them. Let's call and ace an ace here.

Do you really believe that? At the beginning of this season, did you really think that Midland Lee and/or Plano East had no chance of beating Carroll? I think you have confused the two of spades with an ace.

[Sloth]

this would be a stupid idea..espically if played out of state..the amount of slc fans in attedance would be small..just look at a PLAYOFF game against Lufkin IN texas..we couldnt even fill our side..imagine traveling out of state with hotel, airfare, and what ever else comes with it..plus i doubt the band, drill team, cheerleaders, and what ever else is at the game would all be there, thus taking away from the 'expirience' horrible idea
Playing w/o the band, drill team, and cheerleaders is a plus in books. That just might be a reason to do it. Just think a 15 minute halftime. It would be great.

[Redneckn]

Do you really believe that? At the beginning of this season, did you really think that Midland Lee and/or Plano East had no chance of beating Carroll? I think you have confused the two of spades with an ace.


I said a team with a "good chance". That isn't the same as a plain old chance.

I just don't think Dodge is willing to risk "his" winning stats enough to play a team with a good chance of beating them. I honestly do think that. When SLC plays Highland Park, then I will change my opinion. Or Lakeland Florida.
Or even United Laredo South. ok, kidding on the Laredo thing...

[CCHS77]

I'm not an out of state poster numbnutz. I live in Austin. I am on no campaign. I just stated that like the idea and think it would be a good thing. You don't think so and that's fine by me. Short cut your kids if you want, that's your business.


I'm quite aware of where you currently live. (You've stated often enough)

My kid was neither, athletically or academically, short changed by his experience at Carroll. I don’t expect that to change, anytime soon, for anyone else’s kid(s) @ CISD.

[Redneckn]

I'm quite aware of where you currently live. (You've stated often enough)

My kid was neither, athletically or academically, short changed by his experience at Carroll. I don’t expect that to change, anytime soon, for anyone else’s kid(s) @ CISD.

I don't feel like I've stated that I live in Austin too much at all. Mainly it's mentioned because I change my "location" so often. I don't want to confuse people.

Chess is NOT a sport. haha.. kidding. I like Chess actually.

I'm glad your kid had a good deal with school. That really is important. Was your kid a starter on the football team?

[SLCDad]

I'm not naming a team directly for them to play. I guess I could if I needed to though.

Lakeland, Fla (15-0)
Independence, Charlotte (14-0) *have heard they wont play outta state either*
St. Thomas Aquinas, Fort Lauderdale (13-1)
Springdale, Ark. (14-0) *school busted up after this year. cant play them now*
St. Xavier, Cincinnati (15-0)
South Panola, Batesville, Miss. (14-0)
Byrnes, Duncan, S.C. (15-0)
Hoover, Ala. (14-1)
Landstown, Virginia Beach, Va. (12-1)

Any of those but the 2 with *notes would be good games.
I realize we get back into the whole "no money to travel" cop out though. I know we aren't ever going to agree on this but I do want you to understand that I am not trying to take anything away from SLC. You can't dominate football in Texas and not be good and I do know that.It would be 100% stupid to play any of these teams.

Redneckn I think your logic in this entire thread is flawed.

[CCHS77]

Chess is NOT a sport. haha.. kidding. I like Chess actually.

I'm glad your kid had a good deal with school. That really is important. Was your kid a starter on the football team?


Yes. 2 year letter in FB and 4 year letter in Track. One ring in FB and holds one individual and shares one team track record. (Although C. Renfro is making me sweat, one or both!)

Back to out of state foe. Unnessisary. Just my opinion.

[SLCDad]

SLC isn't going to schedule a team with a good chance of beating them. Let's call and ace an ace here.LOL

[Redneckn]

It would be 100% stupid to play any of these teams.

Redneckn I think your logic in this entire thread is flawed.

Only because SLC stands a pretty good chance of losing to them.

My logic is not at all flawed. My logic is that if you have a good team and you like to talk about how good you are, go out and put your money where your mouth is. My logic is that if you aren't getting good competition at home, then go where you can get it. SLC is not getting good competition at home or else they wouldnt have such a huge win streak.

Saying your team is the best in the country and whip anyone is one thing. Doing it is another.

In the end, as long as SLC is happy where they are, that's all that matters. I just think that being a big fish in the ocean is better than being a big fish in a pond.

[Redneckn]

Yes. 2 year letter in FB and 4 year letter in Track. One ring in FB and holds one individual and shares one team track record. (Although C. Renfro is making me sweat, one or both!)

Back to out of state foe. Unnessisary. Just my opinion.

Wow... 4 yr in track. Not too shabby at all.


Out of state foe. I don't want to say that I think it is just completely necessary. But I do think the good outweighs the bad. But that's just my opinion.
Agree to disagree?

[SLCDad]

Only because SLC stands a pretty good chance of losing to them.

My logic is not at all flawed. My logic is that if you have a good team and you like to talk about how good you are, go out and put your money where your mouth is. My logic is that if you aren't getting good competition at home, then go where you can get it. SLC is not getting good competition at home or else they wouldnt have such a huge win streak.

Saying your team is the best in the country and whip anyone is one thing. Doing it is another.

In the end, as long as SLC is happy where they are, that's all that matters. I just think that being a big fish in the ocean is better than being a big fish in a pond.I realize you don't see your flawed logic.

A small part of what you say may have some (very, very minimal) merit if you were talking about a game at the end of the season. However, your arguments make absolutely no sense whatsoever for a game in week 2.

Considering that these are high school kids your arguments make absolutely no sense at all.

Almost all of the good coaches in Texas don't agree with your position on this issue. Thank goodness.

[dragonfootballfan]

SLC isn't going to schedule a team with a good chance of beating them. Let's call and ace an ace here.
Why did Carroll schedule Midland Lee then? They had previously won three state championships in a row and were name a mythical national champion, just a few years earlier.

[Redneckn]

I have seen how my logic is flawed. I completely understand what y'all have been saying now.
With that said, I'm moving on.

[dcope73]

I was told by a friend of mine who is a former Evangel coach and now lives in Southlake that ECA is coming to Carrol next year in the preseason. Can anyone confirm this?

[dragons08]

Playing w/o the band, drill team, and cheerleaders is a plus in books. That just might be a reason to do it. Just think a 15 minute halftime. It would be great.
i think the players need a little bit more than 15 mins to rest..

[Pack Daddy]

They are both smart people.

I agree with them ... SLC has nothing else to prove. Period. Awesome team and I don't think there is any better competition than from Texas - we're Football!

[Pack Daddy]

SLC isn't going to schedule a team with a good chance of beating them. Let's call and ace an ace here.

Good chance? Hmmmm. Nah, you're kidding, right?

[Pack Daddy]

I said a team with a "good chance". That isn't the same as a plain old chance.

I just don't think Dodge is willing to risk "his" winning stats enough to play a team with a good chance of beating them. I honestly do think that. When SLC plays Highland Park, then I will change my opinion. Or Lakeland Florida.
Or even United Laredo South. ok, kidding on the Laredo thing...

I've known about Dodge for many years and he has alot of drive and he will do everything possible to make it to SLC's advantage (as it should be). I don't think "risk" comes into play with those guys. Powerful team with more than a few great kids playing football. Nothing more to prove. I do believe that 2006 will be different and the "power house SLC" will get hit hard only to recover for 2007.

[Redneckn]

I was told by a friend of mine who is a former Evangel coach and now lives in Southlake that ECA is coming to Carrol next year in the preseason. Can anyone confirm this?



I doubt that... I'm not gonna say it wont happen, but I do doubt it. ECA hasnt been able to muster the strength to beat Longview in 4 years. SLC would overpower ECA currently.

[Pack Daddy]

LOL

Hey Dad, got a question? What happened with Renfro in the Lufkin game - I guess I missed out on why he didn't play (not that ya'll needed him).

[Pack Daddy]

I doubt that... I'm not gonna say it wont happen, but I do doubt it. ECA hasnt been able to muster the strength to beat Longview in 4 years. SLC would overpower ECA currently.

I concur. Even with their recruiting efforts they fall short of the team they were several years back.

[dcope73]

I doubt that... I'm not gonna say it wont happen, but I do doubt it. ECA hasnt been able to muster the strength to beat Longview in 4 years. SLC would overpower ECA currently.

We both felt the same way. We would have liked to have seen a match up a few years back, but not now. However, he says the contract has been signed. We had lunch a couple of weeks ago and he had just returned from Shreveport and visiting with Denny. If it's true, it won't be pretty. Evangel has alot of good young talent, but not good enough anymore.

[Redneckn]

I concur. Even with their recruiting efforts they fall short of the team they were several years back.


ECA doesn't recruit. Get over it already.

[Redneckn]

We both felt the same way. We would have liked to have seen a match up a few years back, but not now. However, he says the contract has been signed. We had lunch a couple of weeks ago and he had just returned from Shreveport and visiting with Denny. If it's true, it won't be pretty. Evangel has alot of good young talent, but not good enough anymore.


I'll check and see. I'll be in Shreveport this weekend. And incidentally will be hanging out with Denny for a little bit. (dont ask, you dont want to know)
I'd go to see the game because I am an ECA fan. I think they are a coupla years away from being that strong again though. We'll see what happens though. I think it would be good for both teams no matter what the outcome is really.

[dcope73]

I'll check and see. I'll be in Shreveport this weekend. And incidentally will be hanging out with Denny for a little bit. (dont ask, you dont want to know)
I'd go to see the game because I am an ECA fan. I think they are a coupla years away from being that strong again though. We'll see what happens though. I think it would be good for both teams no matter what the outcome is really.

I'll check with Byron and confirm it but he said it was on. You never know, it could turn out to be a really good game or maybe not. Regardless, I'd be there too! How's Austin? I just left there and moved to Fort Worth, kinda miss it.

[Redneckn]

I'll check with Byron and confirm it but he said it was on. You never know, it could turn out to be a really good game or maybe not. Regardless, I'd be there too! How's Austin? I just left there and moved to Fort Worth, kinda miss it.


Byron is in DFW now? Last I heard, he was out near Phoenix. I haven't seen him in a long time. Kool guy for sure.

Austin is kool enough. Trying to get used to it though. I still don't know where much of anything is. But that's my own fault for not getting out and exploring more.

I'd rather be here in DFW for sure. My other options were Reno,Nv or Seattle. Austin is closer to home and seems more "normal" to me.

[dcope73]

Byron is in DFW now? Last I heard, he was out near Phoenix. I haven't seen him in a long time. Kool guy for sure.

Austin is kool enough. Trying to get used to it though. I still don't know where much of anything is. But that's my own fault for not getting out and exploring more.

I'd rather be here in DFW for sure. My other options were Reno,Nv or Seattle. Austin is closer to home and seems more "normal" to me.

Byron is the head of Student Ministries at Gateway Church in Southlake. He has been there somewhere around 3 yrs now. He loves it. I don't know if I would use the term "normal" to describe Austin. Maybe the suburbs, but not Austin. I'm sure you've seen the shirts "Keep Austin Weird". Need to know where anything is let me know, maybe I can give you some directions. I really hope the ECA/Carrol thing happens. Just out of my own selfishness.

[Redneckn]

Byron is the head of Student Ministries at Gateway Church in Southlake. He has been there somewhere around 3 yrs now. He loves it. I don't know if I would use the term "normal" to describe Austin. Maybe the suburbs, but not Austin. I'm sure you've seen the shirts "Keep Austin Weird". Need to know where anything is let me know, maybe I can give you some directions. I really hope the ECA/Carrol thing happens. Just out of my own selfishness.


Normal meaning "southern"..haha.. That is where it kind of stops though. You're right, there ain't much "normal" in Austin.

If the ECA/SLC thing does pan out, we'll have to get together and eat some burgers before or after...

[SLCDad]

Hey Dad, got a question? What happened with Renfro in the Lufkin game - I guess I missed out on why he didn't play (not that ya'll needed him).Clint broke his collar bone last summer. He had shoulder problems all season but I'm not sure if that was connected to the collar bone break or not. Clint missed a few games and lots of playing time during the season. I believe that's why he didn't play against Lufkin. After having a spectacular season in 2004, Clint was the #4 SLC receiver in 2005 (in receptions, yards and TDs).

[OC2SLC]

I'm surprised so many of you are against the idea of having out of state games against ranked teams. I played for DeLaSalle high school in nor cal in 97 and 98 and I loved travelling and playing other teams.

IMO if you wanna call yourself a great team, you gotta play great teams. These answers like "let the high school kids be high school kids" is kind of a copout. These kids surely wanna play great teams, they are champions. So I say let em play and stop using BS excuses to sidestep the issue for fear of losing to a great out of state team.

There, my first post, prepare to hate me lol ;)

[dragonfootballfan]

I'm surprised so many of you are against the idea of having out of state games against ranked teams. I played for DeLaSalle high school in nor cal in 97 and 98 and I loved travelling and playing other teams.

IMO if you wanna call yourself a great team, you gotta play great teams. These answers like "let the high school kids be high school kids" is kind of a copout. These kids surely wanna play great teams, they are champions. So I say let em play and stop using BS excuses to sidestep the issue for fear of losing to a great out of state team.

There, my first post, prepare to hate me lol ;)
You are now insulting all of the great teams in Texas that Carroll has played. Over the past few years, they have played plenty of nationally and regionally ranked teams from Texas. I guess those teams are not any good

[SLCDad]

I'm surprised so many of you are against the idea of having out of state games against ranked teams. I played for DeLaSalle high school in nor cal in 97 and 98 and I loved travelling and playing other teams.

IMO if you wanna call yourself a great team, you gotta play great teams. These answers like "let the high school kids be high school kids" is kind of a copout. These kids surely wanna play great teams, they are champions. So I say let em play and stop using BS excuses to sidestep the issue for fear of losing to a great out of state team.

There, my first post, prepare to hate me lol ;)Over the last few years SLC has played quite a few teams that were highly ranked nationally. SLC has played the best and beaten the best. They have nothing to prove because they have already done it.

Lufkin, Katy, Plano, Denton Ryan, Abilene, and more have all been ranked in the national polls. These impressive victories are one reason why SLC is #1 in 6 out of 7 national polls.

While traveling several states away may be a nice field trip and fun for the players it doesn't prove anything in week 2 of the season. Your comment about "fear of losing" is 100% BS as is most of the rest of your post IMO.

[dragonsdaddy]

I'm surprised so many of you are against the idea of having out of state games against ranked teams. I played for DeLaSalle high school in nor cal in 97 and 98 and I loved travelling and playing other teams.

IMO if you wanna call yourself a great team, you gotta play great teams. These answers like "let the high school kids be high school kids" is kind of a copout. These kids surely wanna play great teams, they are champions. So I say let em play and stop using BS excuses to sidestep the issue for fear of losing to a great out of state team.

There, my first post, prepare to hate me lol ;)
not bad oc2, and welcome in the future to sl.

why should any texas team chase around the country when there are plenty of great teams right at home. no one in the country has played more better teams in the last 2 years than slc has. the d-2 gauntlet in 04 and 05 was incredibly tough. it would have to provide a huge financial incentive for slc to take to the road this year. dodge understands that the non-district schedule is meant to prepare the dragons for the district title and the real brass ring, not to secure a place on the joke list that is the national hs polls.

[The Lone Ranger]

Regardless of whether Carroll plays out-of-state competition or not, Carroll is still ranked nationally by every single poll (#1 or #2).

They've shown that they don't need to play out-of-state teams.

If they want to, that's great! They'll improve their credentials. If they don't, then it doesn't matter, because sportswriters nationwide have ranked them as the best in the nation.

Todd Dodge doesn't make his schedule with the goal of earning the national championship, I can tell you that. He wants a UIL 5A title. The moniker "National Champions" is just an added perk.

[slcdragons]

I doubt that... I'm not gonna say it wont happen, but I do doubt it. ECA hasnt been able to muster the strength to beat Longview in 4 years. SLC would overpower ECA currently.

I can confirm---Evangel is coming to Southlake next fall. I have a very reliable source that will go unnamed.:)

[dragons08]

I can confirm---Evangel is coming to Southlake next fall. I have a very reliable source that will go unnamed.:)
your pet bird?

[OC2SLC]

I think some of you are/were missing the point. These kids are champions, I haven't -- nor will I ever -- understate that fact. But champions WANT to play champions. I don't think it has anything to do with "proving" something to someone. It has to do with great football programs playing other great football programs. It has to do with the cameraderie the comes when teams feel like they are playing in a big game. It has to do with establishing exciting out of state rivalries. Yes, there are great football teams in texas. But there are also great football teams in california, ohio, florida, etc. And the simple fact is that it is FUN to play out of state teams...unless, of course, you feel like you have something to prove or something to lose. And if that's the case...well I don't think I have to finish the sentence. Texas football doesn't have to chase anyone. I'm sure plenty of teams would love the opportunity to come out to SLC for a great saturday night game...I know I would have. :)

Let these kids play ball. Let these kids have a good time!

[dragons08]

i really doubt the school would fork over the cash to allow the travel

[drgnbkr]

i really doubt the school would fork over the cash to allow the travel

I would have to agree with that...we are here...we are the back to back "mythical" national champs..if they want to come get some..bring it...we have plenty of Lufkin, Katy, SV, Longview, Abilene, Plano, to match up with...should I go on? I'm all for any of the "National Powers" coming to Dragon Stadium for a game..I have my good seats and I'll be there!

[dragons08]

I would have to agree with that...we are here...we are the back to back "mythical" national champs..if they want to come get some..bring it...we have plenty of Lufkin, Katy, SV, Longview, Abilene, Plano, to match up with...should I go on? I'm all for any of the "National Powers" coming to Dragon Stadium for a game..I have my good seats and I'll be there!
yea if the game is at DS, im sure the district would be for it..but if they have to travel they'll complain...in 04..against lufkin in waco they made us (the band) take yellow buses..those things can only go what is it 50? on highways..so it took like 3-4 hours? maybe longer to get there..its HORRIBLE

thank god i got to ride back with the parents..no way i could of taken anotehr ride on that long bus ride

[}THS{LaNcEr]

yeah...take a shot at springdale, arkansas.

[dragonfootballfan]

yeah...take a shot at springdale, arkansas.
you know that their school is being seperated in two after this season and all of their best players in the school's history are graduating right?

[OC2SLC]

I know at DLS, parents were responsible for paying our airfare when we travelled to so cal or washington or hawaii, etc. Not to bring finances into this at all, but as far as I'm aware, Southlake is a well endowed town...hell, that's why I'm movin out that way. ;) I would think that parents could afford a plane ticket for their kid to california or somethin like that. But, again, I'm sure there are other teams around the country that would love a teste of 5A football. :) I just love seein great teams play other great teams since I can't be on the field anymore. :p

[drgnbkr]

I know at DLS, parents were responsible for paying our airfare when we travelled to so cal or washington or hawaii, etc. Not to bring finances into this at all, but as far as I'm aware, Southlake is a well endowed town...hell, that's why I'm movin out that way. ;) I would think that parents could afford a plane ticket for their kid to california or somethin like that. But, again, I'm sure there are other teams around the country that would love a teste of 5A football. :) I just love seein great teams play other great teams since I can't be on the field anymore. :p

You missed the uproar across the state a few years ago when the team flew to a game in El Paso, to avoid an 11 hour bus ride..

[CCHS77]

I know at DLS, parents were responsible for paying our airfare when we travelled to so cal or washington or hawaii, etc. Not to bring finances into this at all, but as far as I'm aware, Southlake is a well endowed town...hell, that's why I'm movin out that way. ;) I would think that parents could afford a plane ticket for their kid to california or somethin like that. But, again, I'm sure there are other teams around the country that would love a teste of 5A football. :) I just love seein great teams play other great teams since I can't be on the field anymore. :p

OC2SLC,

Free advice.

Don’t confuse what you did, or didn’t do, or couldn’t do while at a private school in another state, with what you will find here. When you get to Texas and under stand what you can and can’t do at a public school, with a strong sanctioning body (some say too strong), I suspect it will change you mind somewhat. Next, you need to learn (and experience) the current, so-called “Robin Hood” financing aspect of funding a public school, before you draw the direct correlation with “wealthy area = wealthy school district. Are there another school districts in the same situation? Yes. Do very many other fans/tax payers in Texas feel sorry for CISD? No! But at least you will have earned the right to, really complain/comment about what the school district should or shouldn’t do, when you actually start paying the tax bill!

I applaud your decision to move to Southlake. While there are many, many reasons to move here, I hope, very close to the top of the list is the education opportunity for you kids. It was number two, on my list, over 15 years ago, and am still pleased with the “value” it provide in all areas!

[CCHS77]

You missed the uproar across the state a few years ago when the team flew to a game in El Paso, to avoid an 11 hour bus ride..


If you are talking about the Dragons, it was Midland, not El Paso.

[farmerfan]

If you are talking about the Dragons, it was Midland, not El Paso.

It's funny how the so called wealthy schools get picked on for flying. In 93 LHS flew to Midland and to Houston and I know in 97 Marcus flew to Houston, in fact then it was praised by the DMN and FWST that the coaches and booster club would do that for the kids so they could arrive on game day and not have to stay in a hotel.
I remember when SL flew to Midland and Lubbock and how many people complained about it even though it came out of the FOOTBALL BOOSTER clubs budget. :confused:

[CCHS77]

It's funny how the so called wealthy schools get picked on for flying. In 93 LHS flew to Midland and to Houston and I know in 97 Marcus flew to Houston, in fact then it was praised by the DMN and FWST that the coaches and booster club would do that for the kids so they could arrive on game day and not have to stay in a hotel.
I remember when SL flew to Midland and Lubbock and how many people complained about it even though it came out of the FOOTBALL BOOSTER clubs budget. :confused:


I don't know about the '03 Lubbock trip, but the '01 Midland trip was not booster money. It was the straw that broke the camels back and caused the anti-football/athletics faction to (efectivly) cause the supt. and Ledbetter to leave.

Just goes to prove that stupid/narrow minded people do stupid/narrow minded things. Having said that, tax payers foot the bill. (For the record, I voted for the first bond that would have built a 10K Dragon stadium. I was in the minority.)

[farmerfan]

I don't know about the '03 Lubbock trip, but the '01 Midland trip was not booster money. It was the straw that broke the camels back and caused the anti-football/athletics faction to (efectivly) cause the supt. and Ledbetter to leave.

Just goes to prove that stupid/narrow minded people do stupid/narrow minded things. Having said that, tax payers foot the bill. (For the record, I voted for the first bond that would have built a 10K Dragon stadium. I was in the minority.)

Was 01 Midland played on a friday night? somehow I remember you guys playing that year at Ratliff in Odessa during a night game. Seems to me that it would be just as much to fly out and fly home rather than board the team at a hotel and eat 3-4 meals.

[dragonfootballfan]

Was 01 Midland played on a friday night? somehow I remember you guys playing that year at Ratliff in Odessa during a night game. Seems to me that it would be just as much to fly out and fly home rather than board the team at a hotel and eat 3-4 meals.
I think it was a 2 thousand dollar difference. I also remember many parents of band and drill team members crying about the inequaties

[Grapeguy]

Was 01 Midland played on a friday night? somehow I remember you guys playing that year at Ratliff in Odessa during a night game. Seems to me that it would be just as much to fly out and fly home rather than board the team at a hotel and eat 3-4 meals.

It was a Saturday night game against Andrews in the third round. My recollection was that it did cost more to fly the team out there. However, the difference was pretty minimal.

[farmerfan]

It was a Saturday night game against Andrews in the third round. My recollection was that it did cost more to fly the team out there. However, the difference was pretty minimal.

Thanks, i thought it was a night game, which makes more sense to fly a team out there. The prices could not have been much different than chartering 3 busses as well as boarding the team and feeding them.
People will find a way to gripe about anything.

[OC2SLC]

OC2SLC,

Free advice.

Don’t confuse what you did, or didn’t do, or couldn’t do while at a private school in another state, with what you will find here. When you get to Texas and under stand what you can and can’t do at a public school, with a strong sanctioning body (some say too strong), I suspect it will change you mind somewhat. Next, you need to learn (and experience) the current, so-called “Robin Hood” financing aspect of funding a public school, before you draw the direct correlation with “wealthy area = wealthy school district. Are there another school districts in the same situation? Yes. Do very many other fans/tax payers in Texas feel sorry for CISD? No! But at least you will have earned the right to, really complain/comment about what the school district should or shouldn’t do, when you actually start paying the tax bill!

I applaud your decision to move to Southlake. While there are many, many reasons to move here, I hope, very close to the top of the list is the education opportunity for you kids. It was number two, on my list, over 15 years ago, and am still pleased with the “value” it provide in all areas!

That's true, I hadn't taken into account what kind of governing body yall might have out there. But I am familiar with property taxes out there in CISD, and I am looking forward to them as opposed to my current mortgage out here in california lol. ;) And while I have no children at this point (only 26 years old), I am again aware of the incredible school system that texas (and Carroll) offers.

But, to get back to the initial post, I STILL would love to see out of state play, whether it be SLC going away or inviting other teams to dragons stadium. :)

[RidgePride]

That's true, I hadn't taken into account what kind of governing body yall might have out there. But I am familiar with property taxes out there in CISD, and I am looking forward to them as opposed to my current mortgage out here in california lol. ;) And while I have no children at this point (only 26 years old), I am again aware of the incredible school system that texas (and Carroll) offers.

But, to get back to the initial post, I STILL would love to see out of state play, whether it be SLC going away or inviting other teams to dragons stadium. :)
That is a good point. What if we had the Florida team come to Texas? I bet you SLC fans would go for that. I bet there would be a playoff type buzz and probably nationally televised as well.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

It doesn't have to be a two year deal.........Tyler Lee did it..........instead of playing Lufkin.....Lufkin played PAMWhich was a mistake on Owens part. I couldn't believe Outlaw agreed to it.