Cavs Coach Mike Brown

[hunterbunter]

WTF. Is it just me or is the guy just riding the coattails of Lebron James? I dont think he's done anything to prove he's a great coach. All he's done is fiddle his thumbs while the Cavs build a team around Lebron. I have a feeling if the Cavs do lose this series, he'll be on the hot seat for next year.

[SeguinMatadors]

WTF. Is it just me or is the guy just riding the coattails of Lebron James? I dont think he's done anything to prove he's a great coach. All he's done is fiddle his thumbs while the Cavs build a team around Lebron. I have a feeling if the Cavs do lose this series, he'll be on the hot seat for next year.

I think he has been a good coach over the years. Lebron doesn't have half the supporting cast Kobe does and IMO, the Cavs are a better team. So I guess you could have a gripe about Phil Jackson, too.

The fact is, all great coaches have great players. Phil Jackson wouldnt be Phil Jackson without MJ, Pippen, Kobe, and Shaq. Pop wouldnt be Pop without Timmy D.

It's just how things are at the NBA level. And I certainly feel like the Cavs are really good with average talent around Lebron.

[slorch]

WTF. Is it just me or is the guy just riding the coattails of Lebron James? I dont think he's done anything to prove he's a great coach. All he's done is fiddle his thumbs while the Cavs build a team around Lebron. I have a feeling if the Cavs do lose this series, he'll be on the hot seat for next year.

I wouldn't call him Phil "GAMEBOY" Jackson if that's what you mean...

[slorch]

I think he has been a good coach over the years. Lebron doesn't have half the supporting cast Kobe does and IMO, the Cavs are a better team. So I guess you could have a gripe about Phil Jackson, too.

The fact is, all great coaches have great players. Phil Jackson wouldnt be Phil Jackson without MJ, Pippen, Kobe, and Shaq. Pop wouldnt be Pop without Timmy D.

It's just how things are at the NBA level. And I certainly feel like the Cavs are really good with average talent around Lebron.

Pop is one of the greatest coaches. Leaps and bounds ahead of Jackson and Mike Brown. I am not a Spurs guy, but I don't think it's fair to mention Pop in this context. Guys like Adelman, Larry Brown, and Pop can coach circles around Jackson and Mike Brown.

In mIke Brown's defense, I think he's just beginning his body of work.

[hunterbunter]

I wouldn't call him Phil "GAMEBOY" Jackson if that's what you mean...

I wouldn't either, because that'd be comparing him to a Future HOF'er with 9 championship rings. Yes Jackson has been fortunate enough to have coached Micheal Jordan and now Kobe Bryant, but there's a reason these star players are so close to him. He knows how to handle these type of players and bring the best out of them. I have no doubt Lebron James and the Cavs would've been much more successful earlier had they been coached by Popovich or Phil Jackson.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

WTF. Is it just me or is the guy just riding the coattails of Lebron James? I dont think he's done anything to prove he's a great coach. All he's done is fiddle his thumbs while the Cavs build a team around Lebron. I have a feeling if the Cavs do lose this series, he'll be on the hot seat for next year.

Well, to be honest, even though LeBron is as good as he is, you still have to have a quality coach to win like the Cavs are doing. Brown is still a young "HEAD" coach. But, no matter how much talent you have, or how talented one player is, coaching does make a difference. Not to mention, the Cavs have been one of the best defensive teams in the league for the past, what, 3 years, and that includes this year. Coach Brown is good and, like Slorch said, is just beginning his body of work.

[dragonsdaddy]

WTF. Is it just me or is the guy just riding the coattails of Lebron James? I dont think he's done anything to prove he's a great coach. All he's done is fiddle his thumbs while the Cavs build a team around Lebron. I have a feeling if the Cavs do lose this series, he'll be on the hot seat for next year.

if he has any similar success after lj moves on, i'll be shocked. his coaching iq is completely dependent on lj. kenny stabler was dead on when he said," to be a great qb, first, get on a great team".

[lufkindad]

WTF. Is it just me or is the guy just riding the coattails of Lebron James? I dont think he's done anything to prove he's a great coach. All he's done is fiddle his thumbs while the Cavs build a team around Lebron. I have a feeling if the Cavs do lose this series, he'll be on the hot seat for next year.

Yeah he doesn't seem to be that great a coach to me either, just give it to Lebron let him go 1 on 5, make a decision whether to pass or shoot, and see what happens, that's his motto. This is definitely a case of a player making a coach. It doesn't hurt that they play in the eastern conference either. Now that they are playing one of the best teams in the conference, they are in a dog fight.

It takes a special type of team to win an NBA Championship, you have to have great players and a great coach like Phil Jackson. :)

Stan Van Gundys pretty good he handled the Dwight Howard situation very well, I don't think it was a coincidence that Pat Riley decided to step in and "win" a NBA championship in 06, that was Stan Van Gundy's team. I don't think it's a coincidence he may be headed back to the NBA finals either.

[svhorns]

I'm not sure how you can fault a coach for having the best player in the league. If they wouldn't have finished with the best record in the league I guess the claim of Mike Brown not being a good coach would make sense, but I really don't see the reason for such a claim. The Lakers in 2004 finished with a 34-48 record with Kobe on the team. The worst record that Cleveland has had since LeBron James was acquired is 35-47 and that was bron brons rookie year. Kobe has had a much stronger supporting cast through out his years in Los Angeles.

[slorch]

I'm not sure how you can fault a coach for having the best player in the league. .

you probably should not fault him, but you don't anoint him either...

[svhorns]

you probably should not fault him, but you don't anoint him either...

Best record in the league with a weak supporting cast? Who would you have voted coach of the year?

[slorch]

Best record in the league with a weak supporting cast? Who would you have voted coach of the year?

I agree with Mike Brown this year. Cleveland has come a long way.
Kobe has Pao Gasol and Lamar Odom, two known scorers as well as the leadership of Derrick Fisher.

LeBron has Wally Szcerbiak and Ilgauskas.

i was shooting more at Gameboy.

[dragonsdaddy]

i'd go with jonathan winters errrrr, george carl. he has taken some misfits and turned out a very hard working, tenacious team. whoever screwed detroit into the ai for cb trade needs a huge raise.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I'm not sure how you can fault a coach for having the best player in the league. If they wouldn't have finished with the best record in the league I guess the claim of Mike Brown not being a good coach would make sense, but I really don't see the reason for such a claim. The Lakers in 2004 finished with a 34-48 record with Kobe on the team. The worst record that Cleveland has had since LeBron James was acquired is 35-47 and that was bron brons rookie year. Kobe has had a much stronger supporting cast through out his years in Los Angeles.

And, Brown wasn't Cleveland's coach back then either. It was Paul Silas! LeBron has had his playoff success under Mike Brown, with basically, the same team, with the exception of adding Mo Williams this year.

[hunterbunter]

Best record in the league with a weak supporting cast? Who would you have voted coach of the year?

Orlando's Van Gundy

[hunterbunter]

And, Brown wasn't Cleveland's coach back then either. It was Paul Silas! LeBron has had his playoff success under Mike Brown, with basically, the same team, with the exception of adding Mo Williams this year.

What Im saying is the Cavs would've been a lot more successful earlier if it had been a coach like Popovich or Phil Jackson. There's a lot of defensive issues that the Cavs are facing right now against the Magic, and Mike Brown hasn't shown the ability to adjust at all.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

What Im saying is the Cavs would've been a lot more successful earlier if it had been a coach like Popovich or Phil Jackson. There's a lot of defensive issues that the Cavs are facing right now against the Magic, and Mike Brown hasn't shown the ability to adjust at all.

I agree with you on that! At the same time though, as I said before, Brown is still a young head coach, as to where Jackson and Popovich are seasoned veterans with rings. Brown, as Slorch stated, is just beginning his body of work in the past couple of years.

As for those defensive issues against Orlando, this goes back to supporting cast. Howard, Lewis, and Turkoglu can cause problems for ANYBODY, especially when they're on the same team. Orlando, besides Denver and LA, probably has the most athletic front court in the league. With the exception of Howard, Turkoglu and Lewis can shoot from anywhere on the court, and take you off of the dribble and go to the basket. And, even though Howard can't shoot, he's still an athletic center. Orlando can give anyone problems!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Orlando's Van Gundy

Orlando's overall talent is better than Cleveland's. Mike Brown deserved it!

[JMSFan]

I'm not sure how you can fault a coach for having the best player in the league. If they wouldn't have finished with the best record in the league I guess the claim of Mike Brown not being a good coach would make sense, but I really don't see the reason for such a claim. The Lakers in 2004 finished with a 34-48 record with Kobe on the team. The worst record that Cleveland has had since LeBron James was acquired is 35-47 and that was bron brons rookie year. Kobe has had a much stronger supporting cast through out his years in Los Angeles.


Seriously?...

[svhorns]

Seriously?...

seriously.

[hunterbunter]

I'm not sure how you can fault a coach for having the best player in the league. If they wouldn't have finished with the best record in the league I guess the claim of Mike Brown not being a good coach would make sense, but I really don't see the reason for such a claim. The Lakers in 2004 finished with a 34-48 record with Kobe on the team. The worst record that Cleveland has had since LeBron James was acquired is 35-47 and that was bron brons rookie year. Kobe has had a much stronger supporting cast through out his years in Los Angeles.

I can agree with you on that, but its not like Brown has had crap to work with since he took over the Cavs. Lets not forget the players who have come on gone through this organization.

Carlos Boozer
Drew Gooden
Ricky Davis
DeSagana Diop
Jason Kapono
Darius Miles
Eric Snow
Larry Hughes

...and now he has Pavlovic, Wally Szerbiack, AND Ben Wallace. He's had all this to work around Lebron James and what has he accomplished?

[wizenbud]

I can agree with you on that, but its not like Brown has had crap to work with since he took over the Cavs. Lets not forget the players who have come on gone through this organization.

Carlos Boozer
Drew Gooden
Ricky Davis
DeSagana Diop
Jason Kapono
Darius Miles
Eric Snow
Larry Hughes

...and now he has Pavlovic, Wally Szerbiack, AND Ben Wallace. He's had all this to work around Lebron James and what has he accomplished?

I don't know much... but didn't he take the Cavs to their first Finals ? That has to count for something. 2 conference finals, lost to the champs last year in round 2(?), I believe. That's not all that bad. LeBron is only 24. They just got the PG settled. Some youth on the front line would be nice. But, that is Danny Ferry's job, not Browns. He may not be one of the top 5 coaches, but he is in the top 7-10. IMHO. Cleveland could do worse.

[hunterbunter]

He may not be one of the top 5 coaches, but he is in the top 7-10. IMHO. Cleveland could do worse.

With the coaching in the NBA right now, 7-10 sounds about right.

[svhorns]

I can agree with you on that, but its not like Brown has had crap to work with since he took over the Cavs. Lets not forget the players who have come on gone through this organization.

Carlos Boozer
Drew Gooden
Ricky Davis
DeSagana Diop
Jason Kapono
Darius Miles
Eric Snow
Larry Hughes

...and now he has Pavlovic, Wally Szerbiack, AND Ben Wallace. He's had all this to work around Lebron James and what has he accomplished?

It looks like you just started naming people. Only 2 of those guys you mentioned are worth a damn. Boozer and Gooden. Ben Wallace is a defensive specialist nothing more.

[hunterbunter]

It looks like you just started naming people. Only 2 of those guys you mentioned are worth a damn. Boozer and Gooden. Ben Wallace is a defensive specialist nothing more.

Looks like you gave the predicted response to avoid losing any argument. :rolleyes:

[hunterbunter]

And once again the camera was put on Mike Brown and he had a face of :confused: as his team had no defensive answer.

[su4c]

I can agree with you on that, but its not like Brown has had crap to work with since he took over the Cavs. Lets not forget the players who have come on gone through this organization.

Carlos Boozer
Drew Gooden
Ricky Davis
DeSagana Diop
Jason Kapono
Darius Miles
Eric Snow
Larry Hughes

...and now he has Pavlovic, Wally Szerbiack, AND Ben Wallace. He's had all this to work around Lebron James and what has he accomplished?

This is a joke right?

The only guys on that list that were even with the Cavs during Brown's tenure are Gooden, Snow, and Hughes. Gooden and Hughes are both average guys putting up around 12 ppg, but Snow averaged 5 ppg for most of his tenure in Cleveland (and a whoppping 2 ppg in the playoffs). He came off the bench almost twice as many times as he started.

And Pavlovic, Szerbiak, and Wallace are supposed to constitute a supporting cast? Mo Williams, Ilgauskas, and West should've been the guys you named there. Those first three have done jack squat for the Cavs as far as helping Lebron get a ring. Hell, they struggle to average 5 ppg.

Meanwhile, Mike Brown has taken the Cavs to the playoffs every year he's coached (once to the Finals), not to mention what they may accomplish this year, and with what? A Cavs-edition of Jason Terry, an average center who would start on maybe half the teams in the league, and Delonte West. That's half as good as Gasol, Odom, Bynum, etc.. yet the Cavs won more games than the Lakers.

Rant over.

[svhorns]

Looks like you gave the predicted response to avoid losing any argument. :rolleyes:

I didn't realize I was trying to win an argument... and I've already given my thoughts... Mike Brown led to his team to the best record in the league with a weak supporting cast... and LeBron > Kobe...

I just had to call you out for reaching a little too far with those players you mentioned.

[tayb]

I didn't realize I was trying to win an argument... and I've already given my thoughts... Mike Brown led to his team to the best record in the league with a weak supporting cast... and LeBron > Kobe...

I just had to call you out for reaching a little too far with those players you mentioned.

I'll give more credit to LA for going 65-17 in the West than CLE for going 66-16 in the East where 5 teams would have missed the playoffs had they played in the West. LA has a better supporting cast but not by much... especially when Bynum is missing for the majority of the season and comes "back" in the playoffs to play mediocre, at best. And if I had to pick a player to win games for me... its still Kobe > Lebron.

[hunterbunter]

This is a joke right?

The only guys on that list that were even with the Cavs during Brown's tenure are Gooden, Snow, and Hughes. Gooden and Hughes are both average guys putting up around 12 ppg, but Snow averaged 5 ppg for most of his tenure in Cleveland (and a whoppping 2 ppg in the playoffs). He came off the bench almost twice as many times as he started.

And Pavlovic, Szerbiak, and Wallace are supposed to constitute a supporting cast? Mo Williams, Ilgauskas, and West should've been the guys you named there. Those first three have done jack squat for the Cavs as far as helping Lebron get a ring. Hell, they struggle to average 5 ppg.

Meanwhile, Mike Brown has taken the Cavs to the playoffs every year he's coached (once to the Finals), not to mention what they may accomplish this year, and with what? A Cavs-edition of Jason Terry, an average center who would start on maybe half the teams in the league, and Delonte West. That's half as good as Gasol, Odom, Bynum, etc.. yet the Cavs won more games than the Lakers.

Rant over.

I like how you throw Bynum in there when really he's young and inexperienced. Good, but still. Only two worth mentioning for the Lakers are Gasol and Odom. Lebron has help around him and its been showing everytime he disappears in the 4th quarter and his teammates have to bail him out.

[svhorns]

I'll give more credit to LA for going 65-17 in the West than CLE for going 66-16 in the East where 5 teams would have missed the playoffs had they played in the West. LA has a better supporting cast but not by much... especially when Bynum is missing for the majority of the season and comes "back" in the playoffs to play mediocre, at best. And if I had to pick a player to win games for me... its still Kobe > Lebron.

It took Kobe four years before he was able to average 20ppg... LeBron did that in his rookie year... It took Kobe 7 years before he was able to average 30ppg... LeBron did that in his third year... LeBron has averaged over 7apg 3 times in his 6 year career... Kobe has never done that... Kobe has only finished with 6apg once in his 13 year career...LeBron finished his rookie year with 5.9apg and he has averaged over 6apg 5 years out of the 6... Kobe has never averaged over 7rpg... LeBron has averaged over 7rpg 3 times in his 6 years... Kobe is averaging 1.5 steals per game in his 13 year career... LeBron is averaging 1.8... Kobe's highest average for blocks is 1.0 in his 13 year career... LeBron has averaged 1.1bpg twice...

[hunterbunter]

It took Kobe four years before he was able to average 20ppg... LeBron did that in his rookie year... It took Kobe 7 years before he was able to average 30ppg... LeBron did that in his third year... LeBron has averaged over 7apg 3 times in his 6 year career... Kobe has never done that... Kobe has only finished with 6apg once in his 13 year career...LeBron finished his rookie year with 5.9apg and he has averaged over 6apg 5 years out of the 6... Kobe has never averaged over 7rpg... LeBron has averaged over 7rpg 3 times in his 6 years... Kobe is averaging 1.5 steals per game in his 13 year career... LeBron is averaging 1.8... Kobe's highest average for blocks is 1.0 in his 13 year career... LeBron has averaged 1.1bpg twice...

You forgot the most important stat. 3 NBA Championship rings to none. ;)