interesting map, imo

[BDB]

this is a map of votes after the election by county.
http://www.johnheckmanwright.com/images/222.jpg


and this is a map of the US. (in case you didn't know ;))
http://home.comcast.net/~DiazStudents/AmericanGeographyPhysicalMap.jpg


i think it's interesting to see how around most major waterways in this country, is where you'll find a lot of democrats, especially considering that ports are the major mixing of information and goods. i wonder (if the republicans don't pick up some type of new voters soon) how long if the south gains more democrats and the midwest becomes a stronghold for the republican party.

any thoughts?

[tayb]

Pretty.

[DragonBand06]

I think that the development of the WWW kind of negates the whole "movement of information" idea, but it is interesting to see the correlation of water and dems.

[F18mustang]

ou sucks

[TWHS10]

Colorful.

[Rockets8805]

ou sucks


BAM!!! debate over!!! :D

[pied]

Arizona doesn't seem right to me.

[tayb]

Can I see it with pinstripes or burnt orange and white instead? I don't like puplre.

[BDB]

Arizona doesn't seem right to me.

i just noticed that.... wierd.

everything else (off the top of my head) made sense.... or atleast from what i remember from the election. i'm assuming that purple isn't as close as purple should indicate, in some cases, though.

[BDB]

I think that the development of the WWW kind of negates the whole "movement of information" idea, but it is interesting to see the correlation of water and dems.

as great as the internet is, it's really isn't a good substitute for the moving of cultural/theological information as much as on a interpersonal level. (IMO)

[Firebird]

i think it's interesting to see how around most major waterways in this country, is where you'll find a lot of democrats, especially considering that ports are the major mixing of information and goods. i wonder (if the republicans don't pick up some type of new voters soon) how long if the south gains more democrats and the midwest becomes a stronghold for the republican party.

any thoughts?

1. Most of the major cities in the United States are port cities in some sense, and major cities nearly always lean leftward.

2. Port cities (or any city, landlocked included that is a port of entry) are going to be more diverse ethnically than most cities in the interior. Ethnic minorities are also a stronghold of the DPUSA.

I think that's more important than the exchange of goods and information, the exchange of people themselves. I wouldn't look for the South to go blue anytime soon barring a major demographic shift. Texas, barring the selection of a GOP leader like first term GWB who can reach out to Mexicans, will be blue within a few more cycles. Not enough credit goes to Bush for very nearly pulling off a major coup within that community.

[svhorns]

Blue Counties:

Bexar
Travis
Harris
Jefferson
Dallas
El Paso
Culberson
Reeves
Presidio
Brewster
Val Verde
Maverick
Zavala
Frio
Dimmit
La Salle
Webb
Duval
Jim Wells
Kleberg
Zapata
Jim Hogg
Brooks
Kenedy
Starr
Hildago
Willacy
Cameron

[Firebird]

Blue Counties:

Bexar
Travis
Harris
Jefferson
Dallas
El Paso
Culberson
Reeves
Presidio
Brewster
Val Verde
Maverick
Zavala
Frio
Dimmit
La Salle
Webb
Duval
Jim Wells
Kleberg
Zapata
Jim Hogg
Brooks
Kenedy
Starr
Hildago
Willacy
Cameron

Quite a few of those were red in 00 and 04. It doesn't have to be permanent unless the GOP wants it to be.

[svhorns]

Quite a few of those were red in 00 and 04. It doesn't have to be permanent unless the GOP wants it to be.

The smallest margin of those counties was Brewster with the difference being 38 votes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/election/uscounties.html

[svhorns]

...and if you haven't looked yet I'll give you a cookie if you guess which county had the largest margin...

[Firebird]

Travis? Dallas? Don't know.

[svhorns]

Travis? Dallas? Don't know.

#1 was Travis 116,000+
#2 was Dallas 114,000+

[Firebird]

Just looked, it's Webb. Interesting (to me) that Cameron , my home county, which went GWB in 04, went 64 percent Obama.

[Firebird]

#1 was Travis 116,000+
#2 was Dallas 114,000+

Ah, you're talking absolute and not percent.

[svhorns]

Just looked, it's Webb. Interesting (to me) that Cameron , my home county, which went GWB in 04, went 64 percent Obama.

I meant according to the votes not percentages.

[svhorns]

Ah, you're talking absolute and not percent.

Yeah you're one step ahead.

[BDB]

Just looked, it's Webb. Interesting (to me) that Cameron , my home county, which went GWB in 04, went 64 percent Obama.

border fence. simple as that.

[svhorns]

Zavala was 84%-15%.

[Firebird]

border fence. simple as that.

Yup. IMHO, that's the sticking point. Mexicans aren't naturally either Republicans or Democrats, but they do have their hot button issues. Just by projecting out the demographics, the GOP is going to have some hard choices on that issue and deciding whether to be a winning party of stick to the message. Setting aside the actual question for a minute and just playing politics.

[BDB]

Yup. IMHO, that's the sticking point. Mexicans aren't naturally either Republicans or Democrats, but they do have their hot button issues. Just by projecting out the demographics, the GOP is going to have some hard choices on that issue and deciding whether to be a winning party of stick to the message. Setting aside the actual question for a minute and just playing politics.

true. strong religious background SHOULD be the way to pick up the vote, but they don't show enough heart for us. that, and the fact that we're still in the early stages of minority advancements, shows that we have NO ties. if the republicans really decided to make a change and make sure that mexicans don't get lost inside the projects and urban area the way it happened to the black community back when, they would have a new breed of voters that would stay loyal.

balls in their court, and i'm waiting to see their move.

[lonny23]

this is a map of votes after the election by county.
http://www.johnheckmanwright.com/images/222.jpg


and this is a map of the US. (in case you didn't know ;))
http://home.comcast.net/~DiazStudents/AmericanGeographyPhysicalMap.jpg


i think it's interesting to see how around most major waterways in this country, is where you'll find a lot of democrats, especially considering that ports are the major mixing of information and goods. i wonder (if the republicans don't pick up some type of new voters soon) how long if the south gains more democrats and the midwest becomes a stronghold for the republican party.

any thoughts?Your true correlation is there are a few places in this country that have liberal whites and vote Democratic, you have black-predominant counties that vote Democratic, but more than anything else, you have quite a few urban areas that vote Democratic. You end up with about 75-80% of the counties voting R and it's still not enough in some years.

[BDB]

Your true correlation is there are a few places in this country that have liberal whites and vote Democratic, you have black-predominant counties that vote Democratic, but more than anything else, you have quite a few urban areas that vote Democratic. You end up with about 75-80% of the counties voting R and it's still not enough in some years.

i think firebird had a pretty good post about this.

[Firebird]

Your true correlation is there are a few places in this country that have liberal whites and vote Democratic, you have black-predominant counties that vote Democratic, but more than anything else, you have quite a few urban areas that vote Democratic. You end up with about 75-80% of the counties voting R and it's still not enough in some years.

Hard to get around the whole one man, one vote thing......:rolleyes:

[svhorns]

Montgomery County Texas sits only behind Maricopa County(Phoenix, AZ) and Utah County (Somewhere in Utah) with the largest margins for McCain.

[lonny23]

i think firebird had a pretty good post about this.
But, he didn't discuss stuff like how Pennsylvania and Illinois would've both been Bush states in 2000 and 2004 if it weren't for Chicago and Philly and how common that is in quite a few states. Even liberal CA has most counties vote R, but they get blown away in the Bay Area and they can't make up the votes in metro LA that they lose in LA County.

[BDB]

Hard to get around the whole one man, one vote thing......:rolleyes:

if they tried hard enough, i'm pretty sure we'll wipe a clean slate....

reeeeeeally hard.

[Firebird]

But, he didn't discuss stuff like how Pennsylvania and Illinois would've both been Bush states in 2000 and 2004 if it weren't for Chicago and Philly and how common that is in quite a few states. Even liberal CA has most counties vote R, but they get blown away in the Bay Area and they can't make up the votes in metro LA that they lose in LA County.

I didn't think it necessary to state the very obvious fact that if more people vote for a party, that party is likely to win.

[BDB]

But, he didn't discuss stuff like how Pennsylvania and Illinois would've both been Bush states in 2000 and 2004 if it weren't for Chicago and Philly and how common that is in quite a few states. Even liberal CA has most counties vote R, but they get blown away in the Bay Area and they can't make up the votes in metro LA that they lose in LA County.

yea.... it's because urban areas have more people in a smaller area. i thought that went without saying....

[BDB]

I didn't think it necessary to state the very obvious fact that if more people vote for a party, that party is likely to win.

AH! bush vs. gore ;)

[Firebird]

if they tried hard enough, i'm pretty sure we'll wipe a clean slate....

reeeeeeally hard.

One square mile one vote?

[BDB]

One square mile one vote?

that's not even fair.....

1 sq. mile = 1,000,000 mexicans....

[slorch]

i think it's interesting to see how around most major waterways in this country, is where you'll find a lot of democrats, especially considering that ports are the major mixing of information and goods. i wonder (if the republicans don't pick up some type of new voters soon) how long if the south gains more democrats and the midwest becomes a stronghold for the republican party.

any thoughts?

Most major urban areas are on the waterways, right?

[slorch]

Montgomery County Texas sits only behind Maricopa County(Phoenix, AZ) and Utah County (Somewhere in Utah) with the largest margins for McCain.

yep. Staunchly conservative we are. Not sure how supportive we truly were of McCain, as opposed to voting against the radically liberal candidate...

I think it would be interesting to see how many registered Republicans voted in the DEm Primary from Montgomery County because I heard quite a few folks talking about it.

[yankee]

fact. oklahoma was the only state in the union to have every county go red in this last election. pretty crazy imo. but ou still sucks.

[BDB]

Most major urban areas are on the waterways, right?

exactly. as the country grows, where does the conservatives strong-point stand? i don't think the deep south will lose that big of a lead for them, but if you check it out, there's room for expansion. which means, urban areas, which means more liberals....

[mad_fan]

Arizona doesn't seem right to me.

Amen...

[mad_fan]

Hard to get around the whole one man, one vote thing......:rolleyes:

Not that hard...

Signed,
ACORN and The Dallas Cowboys...

[mad_fan]

Most major urban areas are on the waterways, right?

Even in West Texas...Fort Concho wasn't built 50 from the river...

[okt0ber]

Well, El Prez, if you look at history, you'll see the south has always been democrat, and the republican party was "invented" in Wisconsin!