SLC Scrimmage

[agentorange]

Anyone know the format of their scrimmage on the 28th?

[DragonFan0316]

Anyone know the format of their scrimmage on the 28th?

So far it has been ones vs ones. Not sure about the big scrimmage. Welcome to the board.

[dragonpants]

So far it has been ones vs ones. Not sure about the big scrimmage. Welcome to the board.

In the past it has been one vs twos for the Spring Game. I do not know if they will change it this year.
I know that alot of the DI colleges do the same thing meaning 1 vs 2.

[BigRing5311]

Split'em up down the middle and play like it's Friday night...except for taking the QB's head off.

[dragonpants]

Split'em up down the middle and play like it's Friday night...except for taking the QB's head off.

Welcome back Big, haven't seen you for a while. Little Rings:eek: looks great.

OK I will edit, younger Rings looks great.

[DrEdward]

Unlike the previous format of O vs D, I think this Spring will be the creation of two separate teams - hmm, let me guess, Green and White. I would guess it will be a balanced offense and defense on each squad. Other than that, I would imagine it will be a controlled scrimmage for the most part and then a quarter of, more or less, real play under the clock.

[drgnbkr]

Is tonite's varsity at 7?

[DrEdward]

Is tonite's varsity at 7?

About five hours after the fact - no. :rolleyes:

[drgnbkr]

About five hours after the fact - no. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I missed it, thanks!:p:o

[green day]

Edge to KW last night?

[dragonpants]

Edge to KW last night?

yes, I will post my thoughts on the Dragon thread since I know you have all been waiting. :D

[green day]

Is there an official Height/weight on some of the O- lineman prospects for 2009? Barone, Carnahan, Abernathy, Weaver, etc. Curious as to how much those guys are packing...

[BigRing5311]

Is there an official Height/weight on some of the O- lineman prospects for 2009? Barone, Carnahan, Abernathy, Weaver, etc. Curious as to how much those guys are packing...

Center - Barone: 5'10" / 265
RT - Carnahan: 6'2" / 275
RT - Abernathy: 6'3" / 260
LG - Weaver: 6'1" / 275
LT - Hathaway: 6'6" / 280

[CCCSportsFan]

Center - Barone: 5'10" / 265
RT - Carnahan: 6'2" / 275
RT - Abernathy: 6'3" / 260
LG - Weaver: 6'1" / 275
LT - Hathaway: 6'6" / 280

My gosh that is a stout line!! Don't we gave to go all the way back to Uli to find an O-lineman as big as Hathaway???

[Classof10Dragons]

My gosh that is a stout line!! Don't we gave to go all the way back to Uli to find an O-lineman as big as Hathaway???

As far as height, I think he is, I can't recall a taller tackle in recent history....

Your question made me curious so I checked some (other than Uli) I knew were in D-1: Sam Schwartzstein is listed at Stanford at 6'3" and they've moved him to guard. Robert Hill is at Utah State and is listed at 6'2", 260. Jake Jackson is listed at Baylor at 6'3", 285.

[ktCarl]

Center - Barone: 5'10" / 265
RT - Carnahan: 6'2" / 275
RT - Abernathy: 6'3" / 260
LG - Weaver: 6'1" / 275
LT - Hathaway: 6'6" / 280

The Dragons could have a run oriented offense with beef up front like that.

[dragonpants]

The Dragons could have a run oriented offense with beef up front like that.

Now that is funny. Just means larger protection for our QB. I will predict lots of flying brown things as our offensive attack.

[E-Vol-ution]

Jeesh.....how much weight did that Hathaway fellow gain in the past year? You guys have an insider at "Omaha Steaks"?:notworthyCenter - Barone: 5'10" / 265
RT - Carnahan: 6'2" / 275
RT - Abernathy: 6'3" / 260
LG - Weaver: 6'1" / 275
LT - Hathaway: 6'6" / 280

[Classof10Dragons]

Jeesh.....how much weight did that Hathaway fellow gain in the past year? You guys have an insider at "Omaha Steaks"?:notworthy

Probably 30ish pounds....16-17 yr olds can do that. They're all bigger this year. Can't vouch for any of the weights listed, though...not sure where he got his stats. :)

[DrEdward]

The Dragons could have a run oriented offense with beef up front like that.

We will be leading the high school game away from the spread and back to the multi-bone that the Dragons ran in the late 80s and early 90s.. I recommend that all defenses Carroll will face this coming season should start practicing to defend this wishbone variant immediately. No need to worry about defending the passing game whatsoever.

[slcdragonfan]

My gosh that is a stout line!! Don't we gave to go all the way back to Uli to find an O-lineman as big as Hathaway???

Abernathy must have packed on some weight over the past year, last time I saw he weighed considerably less.

[CCCSportsFan]

Abernathy must have packed on some weight over the past year, last time I saw he weighed considerably less.

Both Abernathy and Hathaway have really packed it on this calendar year!

[CCCSportsFan]

As far as height, I think he is, I can't recall a taller tackle in recent history....

Your question made me curious so I checked some (other than Uli) I knew were in D-1: Sam Schwartzstein is listed at Stanford at 6'3" and they've moved him to guard. Robert Hill is at Utah State and is listed at 6'2", 260. Jake Jackson is listed at Baylor at 6'3", 285.

I thought Mason Hathaway was the tallest we've had. Uli is in the 6' 4-5" range isn't he??

[Classof10Dragons]

Abernathy must have packed on some weight over the past year, last time I saw he weighed considerably less.

I think the listed weights must have been with helmets and pads ;) Hathaway is closer to 265 and Abernathy 235. They're mostly muscle, though.

[tigerowl06]

Are you starting a bunch of monkeys? ;)

Now that is funny. Just means larger protection for our QB. I will predict lots of flying brown things as our offensive attack.

[ktCarl]

Now that is funny. Just means larger protection for our QB. I will predict lots of flying brown things as our offensive attack.

I bet OL Dudes prefer run blocking over pass blocking.

[Classof10Dragons]

I thought Mason Hathaway was the tallest we've had. Uli is in the 6' 4-5" range isn't he??

Not quite...he's listed at 6'8", 305 at UT.

[slcdragonfan]

I think the listed weights must have been with helmets and pads ;) Hathaway is closer to 265 and Abernathy 235. They're mostly muscle, though.

For Abernathy, that is more in line with what I would expect considering. I'm feeling good about things.:notworthy

[slcdragonfan]

I bet OL Dudes prefer run blocking over pass blocking.

Looking at Tommy A, maybe we will be doing a bit more on the ground, he has built himself up. As I see these kids, there seems to be a real hunger, and a lot of hard work has been going on this off-season. Hope our Dragons can achieve their potential.

[CCCSportsFan]

Not quite...he's listed at 6'8", 305 at UT.

My goodness, I didn't realize he was that tall!

[drgnbkr]

My goodness, I didn't realize he was that tall!

Yeah, he was 6'6" here at Carroll.

[dragonpants]

I bet OL Dudes prefer run blocking over pass blocking.

run blocking, what the hell is that? Is that something that a TE might do, we do not know much about run blocking and TE's and stuff.

[dragonpants]

Looking at Tommy A, maybe we will be doing a bit more on the ground, he has built himself up. As I see these kids, there seems to be a real hunger, and a lot of hard work has been going on this off-season. Hope our Dragons can achieve their potential.

I think we did a little too much on the ground last year or attempted to. TA is a great running back but the running play selection, let me see I promised....hmmmm, was less than creative. I do think I violated my self imposed moratorium did I? Bkr a ruling please.

[ktCarl]

run blocking, what the hell is that? Is that something that a TE might do, we do not know much about run blocking and TE's and stuff.

It's where an OL guy can tee off on a DL guy or LB instead of holding off a pass rush. :D

[drgnbkr]

I think we did a little too much on the ground last year or attempted to. TA is a great running back but the running play selection, let me see I promised....hmmmm, was less than creative. I do think I violated my self imposed moratorium did I? Bkr a ruling please.

It's all good! It's the offseason, and we have yet to see what sort of mix we get with a settled QB situation heading into the season. You have to utilize the QB's strengths ie, Greg McElroy's passing accuracy, and Riley's, Chase Daniel & Chase Wasson's strength at both. Early on, it appears this 2009 defense has the potential to play the field position game which will further influence the coaches game planning.

[dragonpants]

It's where an OL guy can tee off on a DL guy or LB instead of holding off a pass rush. :D

Oh, we will have none of that, our O line gets to tee of downfield after an 8 yard completed pass play or on screen plays.

[drgnbkr]

Oh, we will have none of that, our O line gets to tee of downfield after an 8 yard completed pass play or on screen plays.

This group will get down field! Legally of course..:p

[slcdragonfan]

I think we did a little too much on the ground last year or attempted to. TA is a great running back but the running play selection, let me see I promised....hmmmm, was less than creative. I do think I violated my self imposed moratorium did I? Bkr a ruling please.

Perhaps. There were some issues with the bolded, don't know if that was QB choice or called. But TA was ripping it up in the Hebron game if I recall, we just felt he didn't get enough touches. For Cedar Hill, the double RB set was creative and giving them trouble, but of course we now know a broken hand ended that.

Again, I don't care how it gets done, what the mix is, etc. as long as the results are there.

[SLC93]

Perhaps. There were some issues with the bolded, don't know if that was QB choice or called. But TA was ripping it up in the Hebron game if I recall, we just felt he didn't get enough touches. For Cedar Hill, the double RB set was creative and giving them trouble, but of course we now know a broken hand ended that.

Again, I don't care how it gets done, what the mix is, etc. as long as the results are there.

I've said it before and it bears repeating, imo. While the offense may not have been perfect in 08, I really liked where they were heading with Padron at qb. They were putting their own stamp on Dragon football. The flavor was a bit different but they were deadly efficient in controlling the clock and protecting the ball. Additionally when the final whistle had blown they had still posted 35-50 points. Were there improvements to be made in the deep passing game, of course and especially in comparison to previous years, but they were quickly becoming their own unit. I hope that continues as I believe it to be key to Wasson and his staff succeeding. They have to put their own stamp on this program and make their own history. I think they were well on their way to doing just that until a mashed up hand ruined things. I like the balance. We're at our best when balanced. It's also why the best thing for this team is for KW to win the battle at qb and for DP to go on to become an all state selection as a wr or athlete. jmo

[drgnbkr]

I've said it before and it bears repeating, imo. While the offense may not have been perfect in 08, I really liked where they were heading with Padron at qb. They were putting their own stamp on Dragon football. The flavor was a bit different but they were deadly efficient in controlling the clock and protecting the ball. Additionally when the final whistle had blown they had still posted 35-50 points. Were there improvements to be made in the deep passing game, of course and especially in comparison to previous years, but they were quickly becoming their own unit. I hope that continues as I believe it to be key to Wasson and his staff succeeding. They have to put their own stamp on this program and make their own history. I think they were well on their way to doing just that until a mashed up hand ruined things. I like the balance. We're at our best when balanced. It's also why the best thing for this team is for KW to win the battle at qb and for DP to go on to become an all state selection as a wr or athlete. jmo

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[SLC13]

I've said it before and it bears repeating, imo. While the offense may not have been perfect in 08, I really liked where they were heading with Padron at qb. They were putting their own stamp on Dragon football. The flavor was a bit different but they were deadly efficient in controlling the clock and protecting the ball. Additionally when the final whistle had blown they had still posted 35-50 points. Were there improvements to be made in the deep passing game, of course and especially in comparison to previous years, but they were quickly becoming their own unit. I hope that continues as I believe it to be key to Wasson and his staff succeeding. They have to put their own stamp on this program and make their own history. I think they were well on their way to doing just that until a mashed up hand ruined things. I like the balance. We're at our best when balanced. It's also why the best thing for this team is for KW to win the battle at qb and for DP to go on to become an all state selection as a wr or athlete. jmo

Well said '93!! We have been at our best when our R/P Ratio has been balanced and unpredictable. I believe PYP might have been banned from use on this board back in '06, but it was pithy and accurate.

I have been pulling together some statisitical comparisons for Dragons fans. I was going to save them for the dog days of summer but here's a little taste, enjoy!!

Year.......Record...Run/Pass Ratios
2002.......16-0......40.7%....59.3% * 2002 stats are incomplete, CW & AL only.
2003.......15-1......61.0%....39.0%
2004.......16-0......51.3%....48.7%
2005.......16-0......49.0%....51.0%
2006.......16-0......55.0%....45.0%
2007.......11-2......52.0%....48.0%
2008.......8-3........48.0%....52.0%

Anyone that has access to team stats for 2002 and prior years, Please PM me......:)

[ktCarl]

I've said it before and it bears repeating, imo. While the offense may not have been perfect in 08, I really liked where they were heading with Padron at qb. They were putting their own stamp on Dragon football. The flavor was a bit different but they were deadly efficient in controlling the clock and protecting the ball. Additionally when the final whistle had blown they had still posted 35-50 points. Were there improvements to be made in the deep passing game, of course and especially in comparison to previous years, but they were quickly becoming their own unit. I hope that continues as I believe it to be key to Wasson and his staff succeeding. They have to put their own stamp on this program and make their own history. I think they were well on their way to doing just that until a mashed up hand ruined things. I like the balance. We're at our best when balanced. It's also why the best thing for this team is for KW to win the battle at qb and for DP to go on to become an all state selection as a wr or athlete. jmo

When I saw the Dragons at Texas Stadium last year I thought they had become the typical Spread team and didn't throw enough on first down. It didn't look like the Dragon teams I had seen in the past. If that was because of injuries then I guess they did the best they could with what they had.

[drgnbkr]

When I saw the Dragons at Texas Stadium last year I thought they had become the typical Spread team and didn't throw enough on first down. It didn't look like the Dragon teams I had seen in the past. If that was because of injuries then I guess they did the best they could with what they had.

It was due to injury, IMO, Kyle Padron, Sr. QB, was hoping to make it back if we made it further in the playoffs, but ran out of luck vs. C Hill. The Dragon offense of old was more identifiable with Padron at the helm last year.

[slcdragonfan]

When I saw the Dragons at Texas Stadium last year I thought they had become the typical Spread team and didn't throw enough on first down. It didn't look like the Dragon teams I had seen in the past. If that was because of injuries then I guess they did the best they could with what they had.

That was one of the complaints I had last year, felt we were too predictable, too safe. Playing not to lose instead of to win.
and agreed, quite possibly a result of the starting QB going down. That said, it is a new year and I think you will see a different approach.

[DrEdward]

When I saw the Dragons at Texas Stadium last year I thought they had become the typical Spread team and didn't throw enough on first down. It didn't look like the Dragon teams I had seen in the past. If that was because of injuries then I guess they did the best they could with what they had.

Injuries were obviously a big deal for the Dragons for the past two seasons. But there were other issues with the team last season as well. Hopefully, these appear to have been substantially reduced for this coming season.

[SLC93]

:notworthy

Thank you, sir.;)

[SLC93]

When I saw the Dragons at Texas Stadium last year I thought they had become the typical Spread team and didn't throw enough on first down. It didn't look like the Dragon teams I had seen in the past. If that was because of injuries then I guess they did the best they could with what they had.

Injuries and a young quarterback led to a very vanilla and limited spread. We were no better than ordinary in the passing game after KP went down, imo.

[SLC93]

That was one of the complaints I had last year, felt we were too predictable, too safe. Playing not to lose instead of to win.
and agreed, quite possibly a result of the starting QB going down. That said, it is a new year and I think you will see a different approach.

I think that was directly related to KP's injury. Instead of being able to run anything from anywhere our playbook became very limited. We just weren't that threatening beyond 12 yards in the passing game.

[SLC93]

Injuries were obviously a big deal for the Dragons for the past two seasons. But there were other issues with the team last season as well. Hopefully, these appear to have been substantially reduced for this coming season.

Agreed. I'm quietly confident that our kids and this staff are going to mesh in a big way this season.