Trinity needs help

[TEXASFOOTBALLTILLIDIE]

Currently Euless trinity has won the State championship as everyone knows, however some are not fortunate enough to have enough money for their state rings so I am asking anyone who is will to contribute to them getting the rings they earned all year. You can call coach Lineweaver at 817-399-3672, and he will be willing to give information on how you can help the team out. there is also an article online that i attached,which gives you more information about the situation. Thank you for your help and remember this time of the year is the time for giving :)
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/13474033.htm

[BAMF cowboy]

i've heard about this. it's a hsame that these kids worked so hard and can't get anything to show for it. people have offered to buy the rings for the team, but UIL wont allow it. many are getting jobs and working to raise the money. Just let these kids have their rings, they earned it.

[GTown02]

I know when Garland won the title in 99', the coaches set up temporary jobs like mowing lawns/anything to help those that could not afford the rings. BTW, how much does it cost the players?

[BAMF cowboy]

I know when Garland won the title in 99', the coaches set up temporary jobs like mowing lawns/anything to help those that could not afford the rings. BTW, how much does it cost the players?

in the article it says they have to have a downpayment of 50 dollars by the first week in january. rings are 215 in total

[Redneckn]

Let me understand this... If I wanted to give away some of my money so one of these boys could have a ring, I cant? WTF? What if I roll up to ET and get one of the kids to wash my windows for $100? Can I do that?
I cant see where the UIL could possibly keep me from giving my cash to a kid. How do they know where it comes from? Why would they even care?

[BAMF cowboy]

Let me understand this... If I wanted to give away some of my money so one of these boys could have a ring, I cant? WTF? What if I roll up to ET and get one of the kids to wash my windows for $100? Can I do that?
I cant see where the UIL could possibly keep me from giving my cash to a kid. How do they know where it comes from? Why would they even care?

the way i understand it, you cannot give him the money, but yes you could offer him 100 dollars for tying your shoe and it'd be okay. i suppose it's considered a form of bribery, or endorsing high school athletes

[SeguinMatadors]

Let me understand this... If I wanted to give away some of my money so one of these boys could have a ring, I cant? WTF? What if I roll up to ET and get one of the kids to wash my windows for $100? Can I do that?
I cant see where the UIL could possibly keep me from giving my cash to a kid. How do they know where it comes from? Why would they even care?

I think it has a lot to do with recruiting.

[Redneckn]

Oh.. I guess that kind of makes some sense... But whose to say that Nike can't give me some shoes and some cash, I go up to ET and say look here, my rims need shining. I'll give you these shoes and 5k. We have a deal?

Then, next year the team sporting new shoes and rings...haha..

Anyone from NIKE, here's your chance. You can just PM me and we'll get this deal going.:D

[BAMF cowboy]

im sure there's all sorts of laws involved

[dragons08]

man thats just horrible that they have to go out and work for the rings, they worked all year for it and now have to work some more

newspaper did say they had a TON of job offerings and the people are paying "top notch money" for everything

[gritty52]

Alot of us Euless folks have helped these kids. For instance a friend and I have donated $200 to wash our cars. They say that the UIL is watching like a hawk!! Any help would be deeply appreciated!!!

[GRP05]

I cant see where the UIL could possibly keep me from giving my cash to a kid. How do they know where it comes from? Why would they even care?

Yeah, I don't see why the donators wouldn't just give me money directly to the family. It's not like the UIL can pull a case about where they got it from. Does the UIL collect the money and distribute the rings, or are they just looking out for bribery and endorsements?

[stangsfan]

I'm sure SLC is facing the same predicament...those golden heads are mowing and washing right now...don't ya think? :D

[Converse Judson]

I actually read about this in the newspaper the other day and there was a rumour that Converse Judson would help them out getting their rings. If it's true, that's a real classy thing for Judson to do.

[myround0]

This is a Joke, now way should the kids who have worked their tails off for this ring have to continue to work in order to purchase them. You would think the UIL would purchase the rings and have them on hand for the winning teams...I am beside myself to have to read this...All the monies these kids generate around the state, no teams should have to pay for state title rings... these kids like the kids in college make a ton of money for the system and they shouldn't have to pay one dime for they are giving up their bodies every week, monies a percentage of the money made on friday nights should be set aside and go to the UIL to purchase chanpionship rings for every team crowned champion, and a way to cut some of that is to have ONE 5A CHAMP, but no way should the kids have to pay for those rings...they pay every Friday night, and we all know theamount of money made in Texas on Friday nights.

[HawgPaw75]

I actually read about this in the newspaper the other day and there was a rumour that Converse Judson would help them out getting their rings. If it's true, that's a real classy thing for Judson to do.
Doing the right thing is an important part of feeling like a winner.
In '99 when Katy was DQ'd from the State Final; when a Katy High teacher (English, I believe), turned in a student she gave a failing progress report grade to, after seeing him play in the final two minutes (after the game was won): Doing the right thing had a steep and (still) painful price for us.
These boys missed out on travelling to Texas Stadium to play Cedric Benson and Midland Lee.
Even more valuable, to me, was watching the steps that the coaching staff, and players took to assure the safety and protect this young man's very public miscue from the understandable wrath and anger of others. I genuinely can't remember seeing anything like it.
To me those "achievements" are as valuable to me as State Titles. There simply was no other place that I was going to raise my kids.
If Converse Judson is helping ET this way; I will be contacting CJ when school starts to add to your school's effort. GO JUDSON!

[stevefoxsc]

I'm sure SLC is facing the same predicament...those golden heads are mowing and washing right now...don't ya think? :D


i dont even think poor is in any ones vocab from SLC...

sure ill help tell some one from ET ill pay him 300 good ones to wash my car

[lonny23]

This is a Joke, now way should the kids who have worked their tails off for this ring have to continue to work in order to purchase them. You would think the UIL would purchase the rings and have them on hand for the winning teams...I am beside myself to have to read this...All the monies these kids generate around the state, no teams should have to pay for state title rings... these kids like the kids in college make a ton of money for the system and they shouldn't have to pay one dime for they are giving up their bodies every week, monies a percentage of the money made on friday nights should be set aside and go to the UIL to purchase chanpionship rings for every team crowned champion, and a way to cut some of that is to have ONE 5A CHAMP, but no way should the kids have to pay for those rings...they pay every Friday night, and we all know theamount of money made in Texas on Friday nights.
I agree it's a shame the kids have to pay for it. The UIL could give them the rings, but I also think the school could buy the rings. Look how much money they make off of 15 games. Sports owners don't make their players buy rings and look how much money they make and those rings are COSTLY.

For the record, I'd be willing to donate money, too. I'm not in the state to get them to do a job, but I'd be willing to help out if the UIL didn't prohibit it. I can see why they do it.

[HawgPaw75]

i dont even think poor is in any ones vocab from SLC...

sure ill help tell some one from ET ill pay him 300 good ones to wash my car
Too many folks spend too much time seeing quantity of life as quality of life issues. There are cultures' of poverty (or a culture of assets) all over depending on how you live your life (relate to your world).
Today the margins are thin wherever you really look; if you know what I mean.

[bullrock]

I'm sorry. It's time to speak my mind on this issue. Too many bleeding hearts that think everything should be handed to them out there. Sure, these boys worked hard to achieve their goals. They have one left now. I find it hard to believe they can't be enterprising enough to go out and make $215. What's wrong with mowing lawns, washing cars, sacking groceries, etc., etc.? Aren't these boys on the threshold of manhood? It's their turn to learn nothing comes easy and you work for what you want. Go get a job and pay for them or do without. Again, I'm sorry if I piss anyone off, but this takes the cake! My grandkids have piggybanks with that much money in them from allowances they've earned.

[a&mconsoltiger]

tell them all to find a job at a store or something,afterall they did eliminate us in the semi's

[HawgPaw75]

I'm sorry. It's time to speak my mind on this issue. Too many bleeding hearts that think everything should be handed to them out there. Sure, these boys worked hard to achieve their goals. They have one left now. I find it hard to believe they can't be enterprising enough to go out and make $215. What's wrong with mowing lawns, washing cars, sacking groceries, etc., etc.? Aren't these boys on the threshold of manhood? It's their turn to learn nothing comes easy and you work for what you want. Go get a job and pay for them or do without. Again, I'm sorry if I piss anyone off, but this takes the cake! My grandkids have piggybanks with that much money in them from allowances they've earned.
No problemmo earning it. If I were ET; that is doggone-sure how I would want to be seen, just the same. My take here is that the UIL maze is the trick.

[Tigerjag]

Trinity is not the first team to have kids have to get jobs to be able to afford their State rings. I was able to buy my sons ring for him in 2000, but he also had a job and was paying for other things. Most of his teammates had jobs after the season ended, whether it was to pay for the ring or not.

I wish I could remember the exact phrase that the UIL uses. Inducement to play, I think. You can't give a kid a gift if he/she is an athlete, because it could be an inducement to play. That includes after the season is over, because you could have promised them you would give it to them then if they stuck out the season.

It is okay, however, to give a parent money directly to be used for their kid. And I find that strange...

[HawgPaw75]

tell them all to find a job at a store or something,afterall they did eliminate us in the semi's
That elimination feeling is something else...I do understand

[HawgPaw75]

...It's time to speak my mind on this issue... Sure, these boys worked hard to achieve their goals... They have one left now... My grandkids have piggybanks with that much money in them from allowances they've earned.
Bullrock does have a Grand message for all of us to listen to. The respect comes in when you play his (her) team like we did when the teams met at the Alamodome two (?) years ago.
Say, what is Schertz' enrollment projection for next year? Certainly a 5a team; hope that doesn't change.

[stevefoxsc]

I'm sorry. It's time to speak my mind on this issue. Too many bleeding hearts that think everything should be handed to them out there. Sure, these boys worked hard to achieve their goals. They have one left now. I find it hard to believe they can't be enterprising enough to go out and make $215. What's wrong with mowing lawns, washing cars, sacking groceries, etc., etc.? Aren't these boys on the threshold of manhood? It's their turn to learn nothing comes easy and you work for what you want. Go get a job and pay for them or do without. Again, I'm sorry if I piss anyone off, but this takes the cake! My grandkids have piggybanks with that much money in them from allowances they've earned.


Much easier said than done, i had a job in high school and let me tell you sure it's nice having a little money in your pocket, but then there's the schedules and the interferance with your school academically at times and it can really mess with you, im not saying some one can't work and go to school but if they are active it's alot harder than you expect. Plus the job rate right now is very low, atleast it is in temple and some other area's around here, and plus if some are fortunate to get job's alot of times these job's like to screw them over simply cause they are kid's (or race).

[lonny23]

I'm sorry. It's time to speak my mind on this issue. Too many bleeding hearts that think everything should be handed to them out there. Sure, these boys worked hard to achieve their goals. They have one left now. I find it hard to believe they can't be enterprising enough to go out and make $215. What's wrong with mowing lawns, washing cars, sacking groceries, etc., etc.? Aren't these boys on the threshold of manhood? It's their turn to learn nothing comes easy and you work for what you want. Go get a job and pay for them or do without. Again, I'm sorry if I piss anyone off, but this takes the cake! My grandkids have piggybanks with that much money in them from allowances they've earned.
I'm one of the biggest far-right guys on here and more right than our politicians, but it's only right they get a ring for free. They worked for that ring just like the guys in the Olympics work for a gold medal. They don't take a check from Michelle Kwan before handing her a medal.

[lonny23]

tell them all to find a job at a store or something,afterall they did eliminate us in the semi's
Hey, they beat us out of our 7th title, but they deserve it. I'm glad Judson wants to help.

[lonny23]

Bullrock does have a Grand message for all of us to listen to. The respect comes in when you play his (her) team like we did when the teams met at the Alamodome two (?) years ago.
Say, what is Schertz' enrollment projection for next year? Certainly a 5a team; hope that doesn't change.
bullrock is a Judson fan who has property that lies within Schertz.

Clemens had 1700 something this year, so I'll say 1850-1900 next year and back to 4A for 2 years.

[TigerHat]

i dont even think poor is in any ones vocab from SLC...

sure ill help tell some one from ET ill pay him 300 good ones to wash my car

Q: How do you spot the poor kid at SLC?
A: He's the one driving last year's Lamborghini.

[Tigerjag]

it's only right they get a ring for free.

That who gets a ring for free? All the members of all 10 of the state championship teams? Who exactly would pay for that?

If "they" pay for football state rings, then "they" need to buy all the other championship rings too - volleyball, golf, cross-country, track, tennis, baseball, basketball, wrestling, swimming, diving....

I don't know how long teams have been purchasing State rings, but I'll bet it hasn't been that long. Rings should be personal and something that the team deals with all by themselves, not something that should be handed them for free because "someone" owes it to them.

The players at Trinity wanted a State Championship enough to go out and earn it. I'm sure they'll do the same for this piece of jewelry. I don't think these "poor pitiful Trinity can't afford rings" posts and "give poor Trinity their rings for free" are giving enough credit to some determined teenagers who have already proven once that hard work is nothing they can't handle.

[drgnbkr]

i dont even think poor is in any ones vocab from SLC...

sure ill help tell some one from ET ill pay him 300 good ones to wash my car

steve &stangsan, why would you drag Carroll into this? This thread just appeared, but I'm sure Carroll fans would be just as helpful as anyone else....

[SLCDad]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the players earn the money for their rings. Jobs are readily available in this area and with all of the offers from the friends of the team earning the money would only take a few days work. What's the big deal?

Working to pay for something important is a good thing especially for kids that age.

[Tigerjag]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the players earn the money for their rings.

The long forgotten article referenced at the beginning of this thread even said that they thought they were going to have enough jobs & opportunities for the players to earn the money. There was no whining on the part of Trinity.

[gtowndrumma]

Doing the right thing is an important part of feeling like a winner.
In '99 when Katy was DQ'd from the State Final; when a Katy High teacher (English, I believe), turned in a student she gave a failing progress report grade to, after seeing him play in the final two minutes (after the game was won): Doing the right thing had a steep and (still) painful price for us.
These boys missed out on travelling to Texas Stadium to play Cedric Benson and Midland Lee.

i think you are thinking of a diff year cuz Katy played Garland for the '99 state championship and lost

[HawgPaw75]

i think you are thinking of a diff year cuz Katy played Garland for the '99 state championship and lost
Indeed you are right, with that big fullback that kept making yards.
Must have been '98. The long and winding road...

[dragonfootballfan]

Q: How do you spot the poor kid at SLC?
A: He's the one driving last year's Lamborghini.
Q:How do you spot an idiot?
A:Look for a post like that.

[bullrock]

That's the way Trinity. Blue collar folks don't want a free ride. Trinity is a blue collar community and one to be proud of. Blue collar and proud are synonimous (sp?). I wasn't trying top get the ire of any of the Trinity people with my post. I had a gut feeling they would want to earn their bling. I think the article does the community of Euless an injustice.

[TrojanFan4Life]

Coach Lineweaver and several parents have volunteered their time over the break to facilitate the jobs being offered to the boys. The boys aren't afraid of hard work and they are doing a great job. Two raked my leaves (around 30 bags) yesterday and were paid top dollar. Most of the boys have what they need for their ring and most are willing to keep working for more.

We aren't whining - we are just asking for those who want to hire some hard working boys to call and ask!

The best part - the guys are talking about working and saving for NEXT year's ring!!!!! I like that kind of talk :) :D

[rwilleby]

Well, I went back and re-read both articles and the posts on this thread...

I didn't find in the article where the kids asked for a handout and, just like Bullrock and others have suggested, the kids are earning the money themselves...

Unless I've missed something, the call for handouts came from this board...

They're working odd jobs and they are glad to do so... The community is stepping forward to help and it sounds like the kids are taking the bull by the horns...

From the article...

"If it ain't rough, it ain't right," said linebacker Ryan Foster, 17, who was bagging leaves with three soggy teammates at a house in the Wilshire neighborhood. "That's been our motto on the team all year."

"They're real thankful for the opportunity to work and earn money," Lineweaver said. "They're cheerfully going out there."

"They're absolutely the best bunch of kids, the most polite, well-mannered, hardworking bunch," she said.

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Trinity should be proud of these young men... I know I am... True Champions!

[Tigerjag]

Unless I've missed something, the call for handouts came from this board...



That's what I said.

[lonny23]

That who gets a ring for free? All the members of all 10 of the state championship teams? Who exactly would pay for that?

If "they" pay for football state rings, then "they" need to buy all the other championship rings too - volleyball, golf, cross-country, track, tennis, baseball, basketball, wrestling, swimming, diving....

I don't know how long teams have been purchasing State rings, but I'll bet it hasn't been that long. Rings should be personal and something that the team deals with all by themselves, not something that should be handed them for free because "someone" owes it to them.

The players at Trinity wanted a State Championship enough to go out and earn it. I'm sure they'll do the same for this piece of jewelry. I don't think these "poor pitiful Trinity can't afford rings" posts and "give poor Trinity their rings for free" are giving enough credit to some determined teenagers who have already proven once that hard work is nothing they can't handle.
How many schools win multiple titles in the same year? I'm just saying some larger schools can afford it. It is a good point that is can get expensive.

[lonny23]

That's the way Trinity. Blue collar folks don't want a free ride. Trinity is a blue collar community and one to be proud of. Blue collar and proud are synonimous (sp?). I wasn't trying top get the ire of any of the Trinity people with my post. I had a gut feeling they would want to earn their bling. I think the article does the community of Euless an injustice.
Fair enough. I think it's admirable they work for the ring. Now that I think of it, all the UIL state winners in non-athletics should get rings, too.

I say the schools don't buy rings.

[lonny23]

Coach Lineweaver and several parents have volunteered their time over the break to facilitate the jobs being offered to the boys. The boys aren't afraid of hard work and they are doing a great job. Two raked my leaves (around 30 bags) yesterday and were paid top dollar. Most of the boys have what they need for their ring and most are willing to keep working for more.

We aren't whining - we are just asking for those who want to hire some hard working boys to call and ask!

The best part - the guys are talking about working and saving for NEXT year's ring!!!!! I like that kind of talk :) :D
They might as well invest their money now.

Judson gets the 2006 title!:p

[lonny23]

Well, I went back and re-read both articles and the posts on this thread...

I didn't find in the article where the kids asked for a handout and, just like Bullrock and others have suggested, the kids are earning the money themselves...

Unless I've missed something, the call for handouts came from this board...

They're working odd jobs and they are glad to do so... The community is stepping forward to help and it sounds like the kids are taking the bull by the horns...

From the article...

"If it ain't rough, it ain't right," said linebacker Ryan Foster, 17, who was bagging leaves with three soggy teammates at a house in the Wilshire neighborhood. "That's been our motto on the team all year."

"They're real thankful for the opportunity to work and earn money," Lineweaver said. "They're cheerfully going out there."

"They're absolutely the best bunch of kids, the most polite, well-mannered, hardworking bunch," she said.

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Trinity should be proud of these young men... I know I am... True Champions!
You mean like dada4w's stunt double so he can go party and get out of the house!:p

[rwilleby]

You mean like dada4w's stunt double so he can go party and get out of the house!:p
I don't even have a clue what this means, Lonny...

[Tigerjag]

How many schools win multiple titles in the same year? I'm just saying some larger schools can afford it. It is a good point that is can get expensive.

So you think the school should buy the rings? That's definately against UIL rules!

[gritty52]

For you SLC posters how did yaw buy rings for your kids in the past???

[dragons08]

For you SLC posters how did yaw buy rings for your kids in the past???
dont the players themselves/parents pay for it?

[SeguinMatadors]

Nice sig d08.:p

[ACM Dad]

pretty screwed up system, huh?

Doesn't ET have a booster club? That seems to maybe fall under their "scholarship" type thing IMHO.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

pretty screwed up system, huh?

Doesn't ET have a booster club? That seems to maybe fall under their "scholarship" type thing IMHO.
The UIL's policy is that the players have to pay for their ring themselves or else the player could be rendered ineligible and Trinity could be stripped of its title. It's that simple.
Trinity has a great booster club and community support, but are completely stymied in donating money. There was even one person who volunteered to buy all the rings but couldn't because of the UIL's policy. Coach Lineweaver is coordinating all jobs just to make sure no one violates the UIL policy.
We are proud of our players who are willingly working to earn the money for thier rings. Everyone I have talked to says they never complain and do excellent work at whatever job they are given.
The players worked hard to win their title and now they're working hard to get their rings.

[ACM Dad]

no argument out of me. those kids deserve their rings whether or not they can afford them. period. i'm suprised some doofus in the UIL isn't taking exception to the $225 leaf raking jobs or some such stuff.

But, at the end of the day, I guess maybe it is teaching the kids leasons that they've likely already learned in life about paying one's own way, doing things for yourself, etc.,.

Stupid policy. There really ought to be an exception that allows for a Booster Club to provide trophies (rings) to ANY student sport where the student wins a State Title.

Wouldn't that be a very easy policy to enforce?

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Perhaps the UIL could change the policy to let the rings be purchased with all the additional monies that befall the school districts from the gate proceeds. That sounds like the most sensible thing to do but whoever said the UIL makes good decisions on matters like this. We'll all have to wait to see what brillant changes they make in the realignments in February.

[bullrock]

I'm not sure there is any money left after the football season. Especially teams who play 4, 5, or 6 weeks. The gates are not really that good after the split. Have you ever stopped and thought about how much money it costs to run a bus down the road? I've heard some comments about buying gas for cars to get to games. Think about 25 buses! I think the "money generated by football" is way overated.

[dragonfootballfan]

when a team wins state hundreds of t-shirts are sold proclaiming that victory. Why couldn't some of the money generated by those shirts go to the players to buy their rings?