My Thoughts on the 4 major ET Teams

[LP-79]

I am bored at work this evening so bear with me on this. I got to looking at the schedules for this coming year for John Tyler, Tyler Lee, Longview, and Lufkin. I thought I would prognosticate on how I feel they will do in them. There is no scientific basis for the picks. Just knowing the teams like I do and looking at what each have coming back. I would be interested in some other peoples opinions based on anything but homerism! ( bigred&cujo)

JOHN Tyler
1. Texas High - revenge is sweet! CUJO will win big.
2. Lufkin - played LP close last year. I look for another close game with Lufkin edging out in last few minutes.
3. Arlington Lamar - JT win
4. WF Rider - JT win
5. Lewisville- This was a tossup to me but I will pick JT
6. Mes. Horn - JT win
7. Mesquite - JT lose in a squeaker
8. North Mesquite - JT win but hard fought game
9. Tyler Lee- UPSET JT wins big!!!
10 DeSoto - let down from previous game against a top team causes JT to lose big!
So I pick John Tyler to have a 7-3 record next year.

Tyler Lee
1. Lufkin - at Abe. Outlaw pwns Owens Lufkin wins but a close game.
2. Longview - not even close. Longview wins
3. Dallas Kimball - Big easy win for Lee
4. Abilene - controversial game! Abilene wins
5. FM Marcus - easy win for Lee
6. Mesquite - tossup to me Lee wins
7. DeSoto - hands Lee its worst lose of season
8. Mes. Horn - Lee wins
9. John Tyler - Lee loses fans upset by this call for Owens resignation!! Just kidding
10. North Mesquite - Lee wins

I pick Tyler Lee to finish 5 - 5

Lufkin
1. Tyler Lee - win
2. John Tyler - win
3. Nacogdoches - win
4. Longview - at Abe, slober knocker. Longview squeaks by with last second field goal
5. Mesquite - wrong time to play LP. Big win for Lufkin
6. New Caney - win
7. Conroe - payback win
8. TW College Park - close close game LP loses
9. Woodlands - Lufkin wins
10. Conroe Oak Ridge - Lufin wins
I pick Lufkin to go 8-2

Longview
1. Allen - at Longview, hard to beat Longview and the REfs.
2. Tyler Lee - Longview wins
3. Nat. Central - Longview dominates
4. Lufkin - win
5. Texas High - win
6. Sulphur Springs - win
7. Mt. Pleasant - sorry Lonnie Longview wins
8. Marshall - rivalry game - Longview wins but close
9. Hallsville - win
10. Pine Tree - win
I pick Longview to go 10 - 0 then wind up 16-0 as much as I hate to say that.

[powerofthehaka]

I am bored at work this evening so bear with me on this. I got to looking at the schedules for this coming year for John Tyler, Tyler Lee, Longview, and Lufkin. I thought I would prognosticate on how I feel they will do in them. There is no scientific basis for the picks. Just knowing the teams like I do and looking at what each have coming back. I would be interested in some other peoples opinions based on anything but homerism! ( bigred&cujo)

JOHN Tyler
1. Texas High - revenge is sweet! CUJO will win big.
2. Lufkin - played LP close last year. I look for another close game with Lufkin edging out in last few minutes.
3. Arlington Lamar - JT win
4. WF Rider - JT win
5. Lewisville- This was a tossup to me but I will pick JT
6. Mes. Horn - JT win
7. Mesquite - JT lose in a squeaker
8. North Mesquite - JT win but hard fought game
9. Tyler Lee- UPSET JT wins big!!!
10 DeSoto - let down from previous game against a top team causes JT to lose big!
So I pick John Tyler to have a 7-3 record next year.

Tyler Lee
1. Lufkin - at Abe. Outlaw pwns Owens Lufkin wins but a close game.
2. Longview - not even close. Longview wins
3. Dallas Kimball - Big easy win for Lee
4. Abilene - controversial game! Abilene wins
5. FM Marcus - easy win for Lee
6. Mesquite - tossup to me Lee wins
7. DeSoto - hands Lee its worst lose of season
8. Mes. Horn - Lee wins
9. John Tyler - Lee loses fans upset by this call for Owens resignation!! Just kidding
10. North Mesquite - Lee wins

I pick Tyler Lee to finish 5 - 5

Lufkin
1. Tyler Lee - win
2. John Tyler - win
3. Nacogdoches - win
4. Longview - at Abe, slober knocker. Longview squeaks by with last second field goal
5. Mesquite - wrong time to play LP. Big win for Lufkin
6. New Caney - win
7. Conroe - payback win
8. TW College Park - close close game LP loses
9. Woodlands - Lufkin wins
10. Conroe Oak Ridge - Lufin wins
I pick Lufkin to go 8-2

Longview
1. Allen - at Longview, hard to beat Longview and the REfs.
2. Tyler Lee - Longview wins
3. Nat. Central - Longview dominates
4. Lufkin - win
5. Texas High - win
6. Sulphur Springs - win
7. Mt. Pleasant - sorry Lonnie Longview wins
8. Marshall - rivalry game - Longview wins but close
9. Hallsville - win
10. Pine Tree - win
I pick Longview to go 10 - 0 then wind up 16-0 as much as I hate to say that.

Allen wins by at least 3 scores.

[LP-79]

Allen wins by at least 3 scores.

That is a laugher! You obviously have never been to a game at Lobo stadium. Get ready to boo the refs a lot and get wet from sprinklers that only spray on visitors side while getting pelted by ice from the rowdy student section. Longview will win.

[PackAttack2005]

What are the reasons you feel CP has an advantage over Lufkin? I know the Cavaliers may be improved this year but the Pack will be loaded for bear in 2009.

[allendad]

That is a laugher! You obviously have never been to a game at Lobo stadium. Get ready to boo the refs a lot and get wet from sprinklers that only spray on visitors side while getting pelted by ice from the rowdy student section. Longview will win.


We're bringing our own refs . . . . . .

Plano SH is paying for them ! ! ! !


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[LP-79]

What are the reasons you feel CP has any advantage over Lufkin? I know the Cavaliers will be improved this year but so will the Pack.
really just the inconsistent play I have seen on offensive side of ball last couple years. Plus it seems like College Park looks at Lufkin as their Super Bowl.

[alleneagle4]

That is a laugher! You obviously have never been to a game at Lobo stadium. Get ready to boo the refs a lot and get wet from sprinklers that only spray on visitors side while getting pelted by ice from the rowdy student section. Longview will win.

Have you ever seen Allen play?
Or when they beat Longview by 2 TDs?

Make sure you remember that their defense will be even better than they were last season.....
and BOTH of their quarterbacks will be seniors........

I want to go to Longview and laugh at them SOO bad.... but college awaits

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[LP-79]

It will be first game of year for both teams. You think Allen wins, I think Longview wins. No where did I say by 3 or 4 TD's I figure it to be a close hard fought game with a 3 or 4 point margin of victory. After game no matter how it goes I gauruntee all the Allen fans will be pissing and moaning about the refs!

[allendad]

It will be first game of year for both teams. You think Allen wins, I think Longview wins. No where did I say by 3 or 4 TD's I figure it to be a close hard fought game with a 3 or 4 point margin of victory. After game no matter how it goes I gauruntee all the Allen fans will be pissing and moaning about the refs!

I think I'll be "pissing and moaning" about having to listen to the
"dawg-hollerers" for 3 hours ! ! ! ! !

:D:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[PackAttack2005]

really just the inconsistent play I have seen on offensive side of ball last couple years. Plus it seems like College Park looks at Lufkin as their Super Bowl.

Concerning the inconsistency you speak about, their eligibility has run out. There is new blood and leadership coming aboard for this '09 team.;)

http://www.lufkindailynews.com/sports/content/sports/stories/2009/05/20/springfootball.html

[farmerfan]

I am bored at work this evening so bear with me on this. I got to looking at the schedules for this coming year for John Tyler, Tyler Lee, Longview, and Lufkin. I thought I would prognosticate on how I feel they will do in them. There is no scientific basis for the picks. Just knowing the teams like I do and looking at what each have coming back. I would be interested in some other peoples opinions based on anything but homerism! ( bigred&cujo)

JOHN Tyler
1. Texas High - revenge is sweet! CUJO will win big.
2. Lufkin - played LP close last year. I look for another close game with Lufkin edging out in last few minutes.
3. Arlington Lamar - JT win
4. WF Rider - JT win
5. Lewisville- This was a tossup to me but I will pick JT
6. Mes. Horn - JT win
7. Mesquite - JT lose in a squeaker
8. North Mesquite - JT win but hard fought game
9. Tyler Lee- UPSET JT wins big!!!
10 DeSoto - let down from previous game against a top team causes JT to lose big!
So I pick John Tyler to have a 7-3 record next year.

Tyler Lee
1. Lufkin - at Abe. Outlaw pwns Owens Lufkin wins but a close game.
2. Longview - not even close. Longview wins
3. Dallas Kimball - Big easy win for Lee
4. Abilene - controversial game! Abilene wins
5. FM Marcus - easy win for Lee
6. Mesquite - tossup to me Lee wins
7. DeSoto - hands Lee its worst lose of season
8. Mes. Horn - Lee wins
9. John Tyler - Lee loses fans upset by this call for Owens resignation!! Just kidding
10. North Mesquite - Lee wins

I pick Tyler Lee to finish 5 - 5

Lufkin
1. Tyler Lee - win
2. John Tyler - win
3. Nacogdoches - win
4. Longview - at Abe, slober knocker. Longview squeaks by with last second field goal
5. Mesquite - wrong time to play LP. Big win for Lufkin
6. New Caney - win
7. Conroe - payback win
8. TW College Park - close close game LP loses
9. Woodlands - Lufkin wins
10. Conroe Oak Ridge - Lufin wins
I pick Lufkin to go 8-2

Longview
1. Allen - at Longview, hard to beat Longview and the REfs.
2. Tyler Lee - Longview wins
3. Nat. Central - Longview dominates
4. Lufkin - win
5. Texas High - win
6. Sulphur Springs - win
7. Mt. Pleasant - sorry Lonnie Longview wins
8. Marshall - rivalry game - Longview wins but close
9. Hallsville - win
10. Pine Tree - win
I pick Longview to go 10 - 0 then wind up 16-0 as much as I hate to say that.

Ha at that one. It was close last year in Tyler and Marcus was without a few starters that game. THis year Marcus gets Lee at home and I dont know how you are getting at an easy win for Lee.

I also think JT beats Lewisville in Tyler and probably will by a few TD's.

[LP-79]

Ha at that one. It was close last year in Tyler and Marcus was without a few starters that game. THis year Marcus gets Lee at home and I dont know how you are getting at an easy win for Lee.

I also think JT beats Lewisville in Tyler and probably will by a few TD's.

I think that will be only game of year that DaDa Brown really goes wild. Only reason I picked Lee to win

[farmerfan]

I think that will be only game of year that DaDa Brown really goes wild. Only reason I picked Lee to win

Marcus pretty good against the run, in fact they are very good against the run. Daniel Noble one of best DT's in the entire state. Marcus have more weapons at RB than Lee does and Hopkins a better back than Brown. I think Marcus will win this one by the tune of 28-14

[LP-79]

You may be right. I was looking at past performances when I picked this game. Still we will wait and see. I promise to check back after season on this thread to see how I did.

[bigdaddydog]

We're bringing our own refs . . . . . .

Plano ISD is paying for them ! ! ! !


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FIFY :D

I think this is going to be a good test game for both teams. If we lose I can just hear all the backseat analyst on here eulogizing the former State Champs.

Non District = Get better and STAY HEALTHY!
District = Win District
Playoffs = ALL OUT!!


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[Rapture]

I am bored at work this evening so bear with me on this. I got to looking at the schedules for this coming year for John Tyler, Tyler Lee, Longview, and Lufkin. I thought I would prognosticate on how I feel they will do in them. There is no scientific basis for the picks. Just knowing the teams like I do and looking at what each have coming back. I would be interested in some other peoples opinions based on anything but homerism! ( bigred&cujo)

JOHN Tyler
1. Texas High - revenge is sweet! CUJO will win big.
2. Lufkin - played LP close last year. I look for another close game with Lufkin edging out in last few minutes.
3. Arlington Lamar - JT win
4. WF Rider - JT win
5. Lewisville- This was a tossup to me but I will pick JT
6. Mes. Horn - JT win
7. Mesquite - JT lose in a squeaker
8. North Mesquite - JT win but hard fought game
9. Tyler Lee- UPSET JT wins big!!!
10 DeSoto - let down from previous game against a top team causes JT to lose big!
So I pick John Tyler to have a 7-3 record next year.

Tyler Lee
1. Lufkin - at Abe. Outlaw pwns Owens Lufkin wins but a close game.
2. Longview - not even close. Longview wins
3. Dallas Kimball - Big easy win for Lee
4. Abilene - controversial game! Abilene wins
5. FM Marcus - easy win for Lee
6. Mesquite - tossup to me Lee wins
7. DeSoto - hands Lee its worst lose of season
8. Mes. Horn - Lee wins
9. John Tyler - Lee loses fans upset by this call for Owens resignation!! Just kidding
10. North Mesquite - Lee wins

I pick Tyler Lee to finish 5 - 5

Lufkin
1. Tyler Lee - win
2. John Tyler - win
3. Nacogdoches - win
4. Longview - at Abe, slober knocker. Longview squeaks by with last second field goal
5. Mesquite - wrong time to play LP. Big win for Lufkin
6. New Caney - win
7. Conroe - payback win
8. TW College Park - close close game LP loses
9. Woodlands - Lufkin wins
10. Conroe Oak Ridge - Lufin wins
I pick Lufkin to go 8-2

Longview
1. Allen - at Longview, hard to beat Longview and the REfs.
2. Tyler Lee - Longview wins
3. Nat. Central - Longview dominates
4. Lufkin - win
5. Texas High - win
6. Sulphur Springs - win
7. Mt. Pleasant - sorry Lonnie Longview wins
8. Marshall - rivalry game - Longview wins but close
9. Hallsville - win
10. Pine Tree - win
I pick Longview to go 10 - 0 then wind up 16-0 as much as I hate to say that.
lol!!!!!! 79 i like what u did here buddy! we needed a topic bad on east tx teams. I was gettin board . thanks man!! but i disagree big with your opinion on the homer stuff and 5-5 record :eek: a blow out by jt! come on dog! i c u just dont hAVE THE RESPECT for lee that 5a texas football will. just wait till u see my results. i will do them as the day goes on durin breaks and lunch breaks,so i will have to do a lil at a time. but it will be my usual strait forward opinions and that straight from the heart. no homerism. oh and longview want be 10-0 i'll tell u that now. my opinion will be more reasonable than yours and more believable:o stay tuned..........

[PackAttack2005]

You give Longview too much credit, especially playing away from Lobo Stadium. I think Allen, Lufkin, Lee and Texas High all have a good chance at winning their matchups with the Lobos. Just my opinion.

[Favpack]

We're bringing our own refs . . . . . .

Plano SH is paying for them ! ! ! !


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Hmmm - no, you really don't understand. Longview uses their ALUMNI as refs, and has the guts to announce it before kickoff.

Hail Lobo. :notworthy :D

[Rapture]

Marcus pretty good against the run, in fact they are very good against the run. Daniel Noble one of best DT's in the entire state. Marcus have more weapons at RB than Lee does and Hopkins a better back than Brown. I think Marcus will win this one by the tune of 28-14
:eek: man are you ill !!!!!! i c that you have never seen lee play or definately not seen dada brown:eek:. he is alot better than hopkin!! speed wise footwork and especially hands. hopkins cant catch!!!plus he (HOPKINS) had an experienced o-lines last yr. see how he does this yr. but hokins is a good back but dada may be the best in the state!!! i dont know what the hell you are talkin about. he got his yards (dada brown) playing against the best defenses all yr just about. he showed up to in nearly all of them. a couple he was hurt. man you really need to see this dood. i cant believe you make such comments and lee has a very good backfield. how can you say marcus has more weopons is just ludacris ! PLUS THE LEE\MARCUS GAME WASNT REALLY CLOSE LAST YR. LEE WENT UP EARLY 21-3 AND HELD ON 21-13 TO WIN BY 8 BUT MARCUS NEVER THREATEN THE LEAD. PLUS ONLY HAD ONE GOOD DRIVE. OH YEA AND DADA BROWN ROLLED THAT NIGHT , PLUS HAD A 75 YRD TD RUN . MAN JUST CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO SOMETHING U R BETTER @

[tjw]

Hmmm - no, you really don't understand. Longview uses their ALUMNI as refs, and has the guts to announce it before kickoff.

Hail Lobo. :notworthy :D

Should be a good game either way as Dave Campbells preseason had Longview #1 4A and Allen #1 5A.

I do know what you're saying though as not the first Allen game in Longview. Do recall going home the loser in a game we won every where but on the scoreboard there thanks to the zebra's. Of course now that you identified it, I guess the win will be that much sweeter. :D:p

[Rapture]

I think that will be only game of year that DaDa Brown really goes wild. Only reason I picked Lee to win
:confused: I WANT EVEN THINK PAST THAT ON WHAT KIND OF CRACK U SMOKIN. LMAO!! DADA BROWN IS MAGNIFICENT!! HIS RUN STYLE IS EXTRAORDINARY!!! JUST AMAZING PLAYER. NOW HE HAS A EXPERIENCED LINE AND DONT FORGET ITS HIS 3RD YR AS A STARTER. MUCH SAID ON WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF THIS YR.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Hmmm - no, you really don't understand. Longview uses their ALUMNI as refs, and has the guts to announce it before kickoff.

Hail Lobo. :notworthy :D

Damn! That is very bold!

[Favpack]

Damn! That is very bold!

PA Announcer....

"Longview fans.. welcome to homecoming, particularly to our alumni. We especially welcome Lobo alumni Bob Smith, tonight's side judge."

Can't make stuff like that up. LV fan often still thinks it's 1972.

[Rapture]

lufkin: lost some big names from their roster and especially defense last season , but return tWO good starters in Carrington Byndom and Quin Trimble.
SEASON REVIEW
TYLER LEE: HUGE GAME BY SUPERSTAR DADA BROWN RUSHING AND RECIEVING. TRIMBLE HAS OK GAME BUT HELD TO 3 CATCHES 78 YRDS NO TD. LEE WINS BY 14
JOHN TYLER: CUJO COMES OUT IN THE EAST TEXAS CLASSIC CRUNK 1-0 AND DETERMINED TO PROVE THEY CAN BE ARGUED AS A TEAM THAT BELONGS AT THE TOP OF THE EAST TEXAS THRONE. JT HAS BIG PLAYS THROUGH THE AIR AND ON THE GROUND JT WINS BY 17.
NACOGDOCHES: LUFKIN 0-2 START HAS JOHN OUTLAW CALLING A TEAM MEETING AND LUFKIN ANSWERS THE BELL. LUFKIN WINS BY 24
LONGVIEW:AFTER 1-2 STARTS FOR BOTH TEAMS. SOMEBODY HAS TO FALL ANOUTHER GAME UNDER 500. LONGVIEW WINS
MESQUITE: YEA U RIGHT LP 79. WRONG TIME TO PLAY LUFKIN. LUFKIN WINS BUT NOT BIG
NEW CANEY: PACK WIN
CONROE: LUFKIN CLOSE WIN
TW COLLEGE PARK:LP! LP! LP!
THE WOODLANDS: ANOTHER WIN THAT PROVES THAT THE PACK IS BACK AND ANOTHER DISTRICT CHAMPIONSHIP UNDER THEIR BELTS
CONROE OAK RIDGE: THE PURPLE PEOPLE WRAPS UP DISTRICT UNDEFEATED AND HEADS INTO THE POST SEASON 7-3
BRC'S FINAL ANALASIS: LUFKIN SHOWED HEART AND DETERMINATION FIGHTING BACK AGAINST ALL ODDS TO WIN DISTRICT AND TO WIN BACK THE HEARTS OF THEIR FANS TO MAKE THEM PROUD TO BE A PANTHER. GOING INTO THE THE PLAYOFFS ON A HIGH LUFKIN ROLLS THRU THE OPENING ROUND. AFTER TOUGH SECOND RD DEFEAT,LP PRIDE STILL STANDS HIGH AFTER THE STEEP HILL THATS WAS CLIMBED TO GET TO MAKE IT THIS FAR

[PackAttack2005]

You don't just replace a Jamarkus McFarland or Germad Reed, but there are several great sub-varsity guys moving up that will still make the Panther defense quite formidable. Coach Todd Quick is still there and remains the designer of great Pack defensive play. The Panthers are going to surprise a few folks, even you Rapture

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

PA Announcer....

"Longview fans.. welcome to homecoming, particularly to our alumni. We especially welcome Lobo alumni Bob Smith, tonight's side judge."

Can't make stuff like that up. LV fan often still thinks it's 1972.

LMAO...that's insane!:notworthy

[Rapture]

johntyler: a tough loss in a nail bitter to lake highlands in 08. Cujo has what could of been on thier minds. With skill at key position on both sides of the ball, JEREMY JOHNSON,Ky'ORDRICK BLACK, ALVIN ARPS,ANTJAUN LEE and clutch kicker JESSIE DIAZ along with the rest of the mighty jt lions looks @ the 09 season as anouther shot to get what could of been
SEASON REVIEW
TEXAS HIGH: JT on the road comes out charged and takes command in a game they were called underdogs. fans leave with raised eyebrows saying "Bring on the pack"!!! cujo wins with a lil fashion
LUFKIN: east texas classic time and on this friday night jt chants CUUUUUUUUJO! CUUUUUUJOO! CUUUUUUUUJO!!!!! john tyler wins by a surprising margin
WF RIDER: even after a long road game,jt still comes to play. jt win
LEWISVILLE: DEJA VU!! last season was a good one between these 2. same outcome but no ot. cuuujoooo!!!
ARLINGTON LAMAR: cujo rolls
MESQUITE HORN: big win
MESQUITE: LIONS REMAIN UNDEFEATED AND HOT @ 7-0!!!
NORTH MESQUITE:lions get a good home win
TYLER LEE: great played game by teams ,but jt comes up short 35-30 and getting knocked out of the 3 way tie for first place
DESOTO: jt drops anouther one in a tough district battle 21-16
BRC'S FINAL ANALYSIS: starting off 8-0 and dropping the final 2 @ the end the regular season 8-2 was not what the lions envisioned, but also not worried about. going into the playoffs cujo is still syched. cruisin thru the first round,jt knocks off a determined opponent in the second rd to get the sweet win that slipped from them a yr earlier but against a different foe.3rd RDand the cujo playoff spirit back alive and fans jumping, john tyler squeaks by a tough foe with the foot of sr kicker jessie diaz. on to the 4th round a match up that has vever happened before this time of yr. a hyped cruisade! as the rematch with thier bitter cross-town rival tyler lee. lions play hard but mistakes early cost them late and thier season ends in defeat 28-14. cujo pride is back as lions finish a wonderful season 11-3

[LP-79]

lufkin: lost some big names from their roster and especially defense last season , but return tWO good starters in Carrington Byndom and Quin Trimble.
SEASON REVIEW
TYLER LEE: HUGE GAME BY SUPERSTAR DADA BROWN RUSHING AND RECIEVING. TRIMBLE HAS OK GAME BUT HELD TO 3 CATCHES 78 YRDS NO TD. LEE WINS BY 14
JOHN TYLER: CUJO COMES OUT IN THE EAST TEXAS CLASSIC CRUNK 1-0 AND DETERMINED TO PROVE THEY CAN BE ARGUED AS A TEAM THAT BELONGS AT THE TOP OF THE EAST TEXAS THRONE. JT HAS BIG PLAYS THROUGH THE AIR AND ON THE GROUND JT WINS BY 17.
NACOGDOCHES: LUFKIN 0-2 START HAS JOHN OUTLAW CALLING A TEAM MEETING AND LUFKIN ANSWERS THE BELL. LUFKIN WINS BY 24
LONGVIEW:AFTER 1-2 STARTS FOR BOTH TEAMS. SOMEBODY HAS TO FALL ANOUTHER GAME UNDER 500. LONGVIEW WINS
MESQUITE: YEA U RIGHT LP 79. WRONG TIME TO PLAY LUFKIN. LUFKIN WINS BUT NOT BIG
NEW CANEY: PACK WIN
CONROE: LUFKIN CLOSE WIN
TW COLLEGE PARK:LP! LP! LP!
THE WOODLANDS: ANOTHER WIN THAT PROVES THAT THE PACK IS BACK AND ANOTHER DISTRICT CHAMPIONSHIP UNDER THEIR BELTS
CONROE OAK RIDGE: THE PURPLE PEOPLE WRAPS UP DISTRICT UNDEFEATED AND HEADS INTO THE POST SEASON 7-3
BRC'S FINAL ANALASIS: LUFKIN SHOWED HEART AND DETERMINATION FIGHTING BACK AGAINST ALL ODDS TO WIN DISTRICT AND TO WIN BACK THE HEARTS OF THEIR FANS TO MAKE THEM PROUD TO BE A PANTHER. GOING INTO THE THE PLAYOFFS ON A HIGH LUFKIN ROLLS THRU THE OPENING ROUND. AFTER TOUGH SECOND RD DEFEAT,LP PRIDE STILL STANDS HIGH AFTER THE STEEP HILL THATS WAS CLIMBED TO GET TO MAKE IT THIS FAR

Dang man take your helmet off and get off the short bus. Only thing keeping DaDa from being a very good back is the buck 70 he weighs. As it is he is just a ordinary 5A running back. Even Smoaky and there are no bigger Tyler Lee homers than him does not have him as one of the top rated Runningbacks in East Texas. By the way I call B.S. on the 4.38 forty. What was that the texas Longhorn coach said when they came and timed Derek Farmer in the 40. Asked him for a 4.5 after it was posted he could run a sub 4.4. He got a 4.65 and The coach said " DAMN YOU MUST RUN A 30 YARD SPRINT IN EAST TEXAS" Mark my words BigRed and look back. I have been way more accurate on my predictions concerning Tyler Lee the last 2 years than you ever have. Tyler Lee at least will not have to send buses to Dallas Kimball this year to get their first win.

[Rapture]

Dang man take your helmet off and get off the short bus. Only thing keeping DaDa from being a very good back is the buck 70 he weighs. As it is he is just a ordinary 5A running back. Even Smoaky and there are no bigger Tyler Lee homers than him does not have him as one of the top rated Runningbacks in East Texas. By the way I call B.S. on the 4.38 forty. What was that the texas Longhorn coach said when they came and timed Derek Farmer in the 40. Asked him for a 4.5 after it was posted he could run a sub 4.4. He got a 4.65 and The coach said " DAMN YOU MUST RUN A 30 YARD SPRINT IN EAST TEXAS" Mark my words BigRed and look back. I have been way more accurate on my predictions concerning Tyler Lee the last 2 years than you ever have. Tyler Lee at least will not have to send buses to Dallas Kimball this year to get their first win.
shoot yea that 4.38 is bs!! hell i think he may be faster!!! whats b.s is you thinkin smoaky doesnt have dada as one of the top backs in east texas you need to kill that bull you bringin. smoaky is big on dada. that buck 70 is a tough and slippery joker to bring down.

[LP-79]

shoot yea that 4.38 is bs!! hell i think he may be faster!!! whats b.s is you thinkin smoaky doesnt have dada as one of the top backs in east texas you need to kill that bull you bringin. smoaky is big on dada. that buck 70 is a tough and slippery joker to bring down.

Yeah he is big on DaDa. He just does not have him as one of the top 4 RB's in east Texas. DaDa is one of them guys you here about and talk about. If you get my meaning he has Leonard Hewitt wrote all over him. Very good high school runningback never to be heard of on the sporting scene after that. See Rapture I work where I can see more and hear more about the sporting scene around East texas than most people. I try to look at things objectively. Really and truly I root for Lufkin but I take the Homer glasses off when discussing them. As you can see I have Lufkin supporters disagreeing with some things I have said.

[Favpack]

dada gave us fits in the first half - then we adjusted and he went nowhere - please tell me you saw the adjustment rapture?

He's unfortunately too small to go big school, but I can see him playing at TJC with Jeff Claybon. Two years and move on to being a non-athlete because he is too small, but not for HS.

[LP-79]

Rapture I have a serious question for you and I will hopefully get an honest answer from you. DaDa runs a 4.38 40 time. He is faster than 98% of the players in the NFL right. Well then how in the heck did he not even place in the 100 meter dash in district?

[99cujo]

Rapture I have a serious question for you and I will hopefully get an honest answer from you. DaDa runs a 4.38 40 time. He is faster than 98% of the players in the NFL right. Well then how in the heck did he not even place in the 100 meter dash in district?
:eek: oh snap!!!!!!!!!!

[Aggies2009]

Should be a good game either way as Dave Campbells preseason had Longview #1 4A and Allen #1 5A.

I do know what you're saying though as not the first Allen game in Longview. Do recall going home the loser in a game we won every where but on the scoreboard there thanks to the zebra's. Of course now that you identified it, I guess the win will be that much sweeter. :D:p

Um, Allen has never played Longview in Longview. Good try, though.

And I see Fav is still bitter about losing in LView. ;) Apparently those losses hit really close to the heart with the Lufkin fans, coaches, etc. I mean, the only time I've seen people blame officials more is Waco Midway or Longview fans. And I don't recall any just flat out bad calls, much less that influence the game in a huge way. Not like being called for holding after getting 2 first downs, both of which would have ended the game. Not to mention, both calls were questionable at BEST (especially when you look at how they had let holding go on both sides all night). And then letting a horrible pass interference go to allow an interception.

But I saw LP fans claiming Longview was inner city ghetto, clamoring about what people were saying, getting butthurt over the fans rushing the field (which they did against Evangel in 02 and Lee in 04, just FYI... You're not special), and other things. I mean, my friend had a drink poured on her at the 07 game in Lufkin as we left through the tunnel and I heard plenty of stuff around females and kids that I wouldn't dream of saying... But I guess every team has fans like that.

And the cheerleaders wouldn't sell me a program at the Cy Ridge game at Kyle Field this past year because I was wearing Lobo gear. :( I think that there was more to that loss than I'm seeing, because Lufkin fans REALLY resented us for it.

[RP-3]

Rapture I have a serious question for you and I will hopefully get an honest answer from you. DaDa runs a 4.38 40 time. He is faster than 98% of the players in the NFL right. Well then how in the heck did he not even place in the 100 meter dash in district?

Hey LP I am going to answer for him. He is going to say "he was hurt" LOL

[Rapture]

Rapture I have a serious question for you and I will hopefully get an honest answer from you. DaDa runs a 4.38 40 time. He is faster than 98% of the players in the NFL right. Well then how in the heck did he not even place in the 100 meter dash in district?
cause the 40 and the100 are two different events. plus bad times happens sometimes. dada is a tru 4.3. so was tyrone ross. i dont remember hearin ross's name much in track .football speed and track is different. admit it man ur are just a lee hater:rolleyes: u r the biggest homer on here when it comes to lufkin.

[Rapture]

Yeah he is big on DaDa. He just does not have him as one of the top 4 RB's in east Texas. DaDa is one of them guys you here about and talk about. If you get my meaning he has Leonard Hewitt wrote all over him. Very good high school runningback never to be heard of on the sporting scene after that. See Rapture I work where I can see more and hear more about the sporting scene around East texas than most people. I try to look at things objectively. Really and truly I root for Lufkin but I take the Homer glasses off when discussing them. As you can see I have Lufkin supporters disagreeing with some things I have said.
man you are a bigtime liar!!!!! just like dood from longview. dada is probobly the best back in the state. so where do u think he is in east texas:cool: smoaky would be livid to hear you say that he thinks dada is not in the top 2 backs in east texas much less 5th or more. i'll tell you what how about u call the show today and tell him what you told me. i dare you!!! better yet justask him where do he think dada is in the state or east texas and see what he says. man you are a big time fool or just playin crazy. cause that dood is awhsome!!!! dont compare him to anybody from lufkin who you never hear from again:eek: this is tyler buddie. nfl and college knows this place ! believe me !!! macfarland will never be what u think he is. thats why i wasnt high on him after i saw him. watch what i say. its to easy to take him out of the game

[E-Vol-ution]

What do y'all think about D'voric Black?
dada gave us fits in the first half - then we adjusted and he went nowhere - please tell me you saw the adjustment rapture?

He's unfortunately too small to go big school, but I can see him playing at TJC with Jeff Claybon. Two years and move on to being a non-athlete because he is too small, but not for HS.

[Favpack]

Um, Allen has never played Longview in Longview. Good try, though.

And I see Fav is still bitter about losing in LView. ;) Apparently those losses hit really close to the heart with the Lufkin fans, coaches, etc. I mean, the only time I've seen people blame officials more is Waco Midway or Longview fans. And I don't recall any just flat out bad calls, much less that influence the game in a huge way. Not like being called for holding after getting 2 first downs, both of which would have ended the game. Not to mention, both calls were questionable at BEST (especially when you look at how they had let holding go on both sides all night). And then letting a horrible pass interference go to allow an interception.

But I saw LP fans claiming Longview was inner city ghetto, clamoring about what people were saying, getting butthurt over the fans rushing the field (which they did against Evangel in 02 and Lee in 04, just FYI... You're not special), and other things. I mean, my friend had a drink poured on her at the 07 game in Lufkin as we left through the tunnel and I heard plenty of stuff around females and kids that I wouldn't dream of saying... But I guess every team has fans like that.

And the cheerleaders wouldn't sell me a program at the Cy Ridge game at Kyle Field this past year because I was wearing Lobo gear. :( I think that there was more to that loss than I'm seeing, because Lufkin fans REALLY resented us for it.

Points well made - plus, that was two years ago. I still think rushing the field typifies the 1972 mentality that is Lobo field, however. Seriously - we didn't rush the field when we won state, so, can't ya'll just contain yourselves?

[Rapture]

longview: fresh off a state championship appereance. the lobos gear it up in 09 in hunt for thieir first state title in over 70yrs. state championship games arnt new to longview though. they were state finalist in 1997 and 2008. in 09 the 4a title is probobly thier's to loose. especially with players like johnson at Qb and mccray at RB
SEASON REVIEW
ALLEN: allen plays a good defensive game and precision passing. allen wins
TYLER LEE: tyler lee finally get whats been holding them back the past 2 or 3 meeting vs the lobos, a passing game. Rb dada brown has big night. lee wins
NAT.CENTRAL: LONGVIEW BIG IN FIRST WIN !
LUFKIN: the lobos go to abe martin stadium and stun lufkin. lobos back on track b4 district !
TEXAS HIGH:longview wins
SULFER SPRINGS: longview big
MOUNT PLEASANT: LONGVIEW IN A ROUTE !
MARSHALL: anouther big win by longview and now heir 6-2 and back in the top
PINE TREE: ON THURSDAY NIGHT MATCH-UP @ ROSE STADIUM & THE LOBOSE SHINED AND FANS ENJOY HIGHLIGHT AFTER HIGHLIGHT ON THE VIDEO REPLAY SCREEN
HALLSVILLE:longview ends the regular season win a demoliation of hallsville. record now 8-2
BRC'S FINAL ANALYSIS: LONGVIEW cruises by every round, gets to the state chapionship and the 3rd time is the charm!!!!!! longview 2009 4a state champions (14-2)

[Aggies2009]

Points well made - plus, that was two years ago. I still think rushing the field typifies the 1972 mentality that is Lobo field, however. Seriously - we didn't rush the field when we won state, so, can't ya'll just contain yourselves?

Hmm. I dunno. I didn't rush the field, FYI (my friend and I had to jet out to get back to CS haha... in 02 against Evangel I bolted out of there to beat traffic, and in 04 against Lee I was playing), but I don't see what is wrong with it. I mean, colleges do it all the time after big wins. I know most (if not all) Longview fans consider Lufkin a HUGE rival. And after 12 straight beatings, ANY win over them is worth celebrating. Not to mention they're a good team year in and year out. Think of it as us respecting Lufkin to the point that beating them is something to celebrate. And to come back and win in triple overtime is huge as well. I mean, there have been like 7 games in Longview history that have gone to any OT, two that went to double, and only one that went to triple: the Lufkin game. It's exciting and harmless. It's not like they tore down goalposts and whatnot. I dunno, I'll agree to disagree on the rushing the field issue.

Now, the ice throwing at the drill team and whatnot, I definitely don't condone, and THAT makes me embarrassed to be in the same fanbase as those idiots.

[allendad]

Um, Allen has never played Longview in Longview. Good try, though.

And I see Fav is still bitter about losing in LView. ;) Apparently those losses hit really close to the heart with the Lufkin fans, coaches, etc. I mean, the only time I've seen people blame officials more is Waco Midway or Longview fans. And I don't recall any just flat out bad calls, much less that influence the game in a huge way. Not like being called for holding after getting 2 first downs, both of which would have ended the game. Not to mention, both calls were questionable at BEST (especially when you look at how they had let holding go on both sides all night). And then letting a horrible pass interference go to allow an interception.

But I saw LP fans claiming Longview was inner city ghetto, clamoring about what people were saying, getting butthurt over the fans rushing the field (which they did against Evangel in 02 and Lee in 04, just FYI... You're not special), and other things. I mean, my friend had a drink poured on her at the 07 game in Lufkin as we left through the tunnel and I heard plenty of stuff around females and kids that I wouldn't dream of saying... But I guess every team has fans like that.

And the cheerleaders wouldn't sell me a program at the Cy Ridge game at Kyle Field this past year because I was wearing Lobo gear. :( I think that there was more to that loss than I'm seeing, because Lufkin fans REALLY resented us for it.


All I know is that when I stayed for the Longview vs _______? (I can't remember who it was) quarter final game at T.S. I met GREAT people that were hospitable and gracious! I am looking forward to heading out east to
travel through REAL pine trees and some hills. I am not going to get into "inbread Refs" or any of that. (at least until AFTER the game.:D)

All these other 5A teams dog Allen for playing a 4A team. I'm sure that most of the people "in the know" are aware of how dangerous Longview will be this year AND are grateful that the Lobos are NOT on their schedule, be they 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A, or Middle School. Longview will be a difficult challenge, but they will be a great obsticle to try and overcome. I think it will be a great game!

I just hope no one gets hurt between now and then! ! ! ! ! :eek:

[Rapture]

All I know is that when I stayed for the Longview vs _______? (I can't remember who it was) quarter final game at T.S. I met GREAT people that were hospitable and gracious! I am looking forward to heading out east to
travel through REAL pine trees and some hills. I am not going to get into "inbread Refs" or any of that. (at least until AFTER the game.:D)

All these other 5A teams dog Allen for playing a 4A team. I'm sure that most of the people "in the know" are aware of how dangerous Longview will be this year AND are grateful that the Lobos are NOT on their schedule, be they 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A, or Middle School. Longview will be a difficult challenge, but they will be a great obsticle to try and overcome. I think it will be a great game!

I just hope no one gets hurt between now and then! ! ! ! ! :eek:
now u know longview is really a 5a so they cant knoc u for them

[Marcus Fan]

:eek: man are you ill !!!!!! i c that you have never seen lee play or definately not seen dada brown:eek:. he is alot better than hopkin!! speed wise footwork and especially hands. hopkins cant catch!!!plus he (HOPKINS) had an experienced o-lines last yr. see how he does this yr. but hokins is a good back but dada may be the best in the state!!! i dont know what the hell you are talkin about. he got his yards (dada brown) playing against the best defenses all yr just about. he showed up to in nearly all of them. a couple he was hurt. man you really need to see this dood. i cant believe you make such comments and lee has a very good backfield. how can you say marcus has more weopons is just ludacris ! PLUS THE LEE\MARCUS GAME WASNT REALLY CLOSE LAST YR. LEE WENT UP EARLY 21-3 AND HELD ON 21-13 TO WIN BY 8 BUT MARCUS NEVER THREATEN THE LEAD. PLUS ONLY HAD ONE GOOD DRIVE. OH YEA AND DADA BROWN ROLLED THAT NIGHT , PLUS HAD A 75 YRD TD RUN . MAN JUST CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO SOMETHING U R BETTER @

Da Da had an excellent game last year against Marcus but lets compare the 2 running backs: according to rivals.com
Stephen Hopkins 6' 220 runs a 4.52 three star ranking committed to Michigan
Da Da Brown 5'8" 165 runs a 4.50 no stars and no commitment.

At least the recruiting specialists think Hopkins is the better player.

[LufkinPantherRules]

Da Da had an excellent game last year against Marcus but lets compare the 2 running backs: according to rivals.com
Stephen Hopkins 6' 220 runs a 4.52 three star ranking committed to Michigan
Da Da Brown 5'8" 165 runs a 4.50 no stars and no commitment.

At least the recruiting specialists think Hopkins is the better player.


I think that both Hopkins and Da Da have good things about them and have some things that make them college type football players

I've seen Hopkins on film and he to me is more a game breaker he reminds me of Beanie Wells of OSU he's big, strong, and has good speed for his size. I think that at college level he will get a better chance to be an all-time RB because of his size and speed.

Athleticism A
Size A+
Speed A-
Elusiveness A-

Overall A


Now Da Da Brown is like Jacquizz Rogers from Oregon State he has some good speed, elusive, athletic, and has some decent hands. He might be able to play some Wr and play running back get about 15-20 carries a game and slip him out on some screens. He also can maybe play DB in college.

Athleticism A
Size A-
Speed A
Elusiveness A+

Overall A


Both have there good points and there bad points. But again I think there both good and will in my opinion make some good college RB's.

[Aggies2009]

All I know is that when I stayed for the Longview vs _______? (I can't remember who it was) quarter final game at T.S. I met GREAT people that were hospitable and gracious! I am looking forward to heading out east to
travel through REAL pine trees and some hills. I am not going to get into "inbread Refs" or any of that. (at least until AFTER the game.:D)

All these other 5A teams dog Allen for playing a 4A team. I'm sure that most of the people "in the know" are aware of how dangerous Longview will be this year AND are grateful that the Lobos are NOT on their schedule, be they 5A, 4A, 3A, 2A, or Middle School. Longview will be a difficult challenge, but they will be a great obsticle to try and overcome. I think it will be a great game!

I just hope no one gets hurt between now and then! ! ! ! ! :eek:

I'd dog Allen for playing the Mexico team before playing Longview. Longview went 2-1 against 5A teams this year, and their only losses came to the teams that finished #2 and #3 in the nation.

I can't wait to play Allen; Longview vs Allen games are always good. In 01 we met at Texas Stadium and it was a barnburner.

[Rapture]

Da Da had an excellent game last year against Marcus but lets compare the 2 running backs: according to rivals.com
Stephen Hopkins 6' 220 runs a 4.52 three star ranking committed to Michigan
Da Da Brown 5'8" 165 runs a 4.50 no stars and no commitment.

At least the recruiting specialists think Hopkins is the better player.
dada runs 4.3 and i dont know and how rivals get there info,but im sure u can go to other sites and seee dada has better comments

[Rapture]

tyler lee: the red raiders return some key player on both sides of the ball, but the jaugarnot defense that carried them in 08 has lost some key names thats hard to replace. returning om offense is sr Qb luke wagner , sr. Rb Dada brown , jr wr's Marquise Mosley and Denis Edwards and athlete in Chris dinkins comin over fromthe defense to help out on offense. on defense lee returns 2 studs in lb's Austin Wilson and Blake Roberts
LUFKIN: big night from the lightning dada brown, qb luke wagner and ath chris dinkins.lee wins
LONGVIEW: east texas classic weekend.the lee players are pumped,confident and ready to go against a 0-1 lobo team who is out to get a win after loosing their top ranking after being downed by allen in wk 0.the red raiders get revenge with a good 4 qtr effort and end a sour streak by longview. red raiders win
KIMBALL: lee tops
ABELINE: with a good game by the seondary and the lee run game, raiders get a win
FLOWER MOUND MARCUS: wagner and dinkins toss td passes as the red raiders get big win on the road
MESQUITE: district opener and the winner stays atleast tied for 1st place. lee lee pays perfect ball control offense and have two time consuming drive that keeps the skeeters offense off the field when it mattered most.red raiders prevail
DESOTO: back and forward game that ends with desoto missing a late field goal to get the lead in the final minutes and lee hold on. lee 7-0 and tied with jt for 1st in district
MESQUITE HORN: lee rolls and rumbles
JOHN TYLER: great game with alot of offense! lee wins 35-30
NORTH MESQUITE: with 1st place and the district champs all to themselves, lee finishes undefeated at 10-0 heading into the division II playoffs
BRC'S FINAL ANALYSIS: unbeatin robert e lee rolls thru the first rd ,takes care of buisnesss in the 2nd and 3rd before they hook up with their cross-town rivals cujo lions in a game that was sure to be just as intising as the first time around. lee takes advanyage of 2 crucial turnover by JT to advance to the D-2 semi-finals. lee rolls to the state finals and claim their 2nd state title in 5 yrs ! ROBER E. LEE RED RAIDERS 2009 DII STATE CHAMPIONS 16-0 CONGRADULATIONS!!!!!

[LoboFan07]

I do know what you're saying though as not the first Allen game in Longview. Do recall going home the loser in a game we won every where but on the scoreboard there thanks to the zebra's. Of course now that you identified it, I guess the win will be that much sweeter. :D:p

Not sure where you're getting that. Longview and Allen have played three times previously, and for the first time in the regular season last year.

1996, Longview dominated Allen 48-14 in the Area Round.
2001, Allen knocked off Longview 20-17 in the Area Round.
Then last season.

Every single game has been played in the metroplex.

getting butthurt over the fans rushing the field (which they did against Evangel in 02 and Lee in 04, just FYI... You're not special), and other things

I honestly don't get why people got so upset after that. Our fans have always rushed the field after a big, dramatic win.

Evangel was No. 2 in the country when we did it in 02.
We won our first district title in 7 years with the overtime win against Lee in 04.
And we had just won the longest game in our history with the win against Lufkin in 08.

Dramatic wins = dramatic celebrations.

SEASON REVIEW
ALLEN: allen plays a good defensive game and precision passing. allen wins
TYLER LEE: tyler lee finally get whats been holding them back the past 2 or 3 meeting vs the lobos, a passing game. Rb dada brown has big night. lee wins
NAT.CENTRAL: LONGVIEW BIG IN FIRST WIN !
LUFKIN: the lobos go to abe martin stadium and stun lufkin. lobos back on track b4 district !
TEXAS HIGH:longview wins
SULFER SPRINGS: longview big
MOUNT PLEASANT: LONGVIEW IN A ROUTE !
MARSHALL: anouther big win by longview and now heir 6-2 and back in the top
PINE TREE: ON THURSDAY NIGHT MATCH-UP @ ROSE STADIUM & THE LOBOSE SHINED AND FANS ENJOY HIGHLIGHT AFTER HIGHLIGHT ON THE VIDEO REPLAY SCREEN
HALLSVILLE:longview ends the regular season win a demoliation of hallsville. record now 8-2
BRC'S FINAL ANALYSIS: LONGVIEW cruises by every round, gets to the state chapionship and the 3rd time is the charm!!!!!! longview 2009 4a state champions (14-2)

1st, Pine Tree is the last game of the season just for a heads up.
2nd, if Longview loses to Tyler Lee...well...we will lose to Lufkin as well and we won't be winning a State Championship.

Longview hasn't won at Abe since 1998. We had a victory wrapped up in 07 and handed it over to Lp when it mattered the most (no matter the stories I've heard about refs and extra stuff).

I honestly expect Hallsville to give us a run for our money. I don't know why, but I am quickly seeing them become a 2nd Marshall type rivalry for us. Definitely think them being less than 10 minutes away helps that.

[LP-79]

tyler lee: the red raiders return some key player on both sides of the ball, but the jaugarnot defense that carried them in 08 has lost some key names thats hard to replace. returning om offense is sr Qb luke wagner , sr. Rb Dada brown , jr wr's Marquise Mosley and Denis Edwards and athlete in Chris dinkins comin over fromthe defense to help out on offense. on defense lee returns 2 studs in lb's Austin Wilson and Blake Roberts
LUFKIN: big night from the lightning dada brown, qb luke wagner and ath chris dinkins.lee wins
LONGVIEW: east texas classic weekend.the lee players are pumped,confident and ready to go against a 0-1 lobo team who is out to get a win after loosing their top ranking after being downed by allen in wk 0.the red raiders get revenge with a good 4 qtr effort and end a sour streak by longview. red raiders win
KIMBALL: lee tops
ABELINE: with a good game by the seondary and the lee run game, raiders get a win
FLOWER MOUND MARCUS: wagner and dinkins toss td passes as the red raiders get big win on the road
MESQUITE: district opener and the winner stays atleast tied for 1st place. lee lee pays perfect ball control offense and have two time consuming drive that keeps the skeeters offense off the field when it mattered most.red raiders prevail
DESOTO: back and forward game that ends with desoto missing a late field goal to get the lead in the final minutes and lee hold on. lee 7-0 and tied with jt for 1st in district
MESQUITE HORN: lee rolls and rumbles
JOHN TYLER: great game with alot of offense! lee wins 35-30
NORTH MESQUITE: with 1st place and the district champs all to themselves, lee finishes undefeated at 10-0 heading into the division II playoffs
BRC'S FINAL ANALYSIS: unbeatin robert e lee rolls thru the first rd ,takes care of buisnesss in the 2nd and 3rd before they hook up with their cross-town rivals cujo lions in a game that was sure to be just as intising as the first time around. lee takes advanyage of 2 crucial turnover by JT to advance to the D-2 semi-finals. lee rolls to the state finals and claim their 2nd state title in 5 yrs ! ROBER E. LEE RED RAIDERS 2009 DII STATE CHAMPIONS 16-0 CONGRADULATIONS!!!!!

OK BIGRED you call me a homer? You need to put the crack pipe down and rethink your assesment. All I am going to say about that. I can't type because I have tears in my eyes from laughing so much. I got a deal for you Bigred. At the end of the season lets look back at our predictions. Just between us. If my predictions are better you will have to wear a shirt proclaiming your love for the Lufkin Panthers for a week plus get on here and write a essay. Yours will be why Tyler Lee should never play Longview in East Texas classic again. If your predictions are better I will wear a RedRaider shirt for a month. My essay will be Coach Owens owns Coach Outlaw. How about it Bigred you got the cajones to take that bet? You must realize I have pwned you last 2 years.

[LP-79]

cause the 40 and the100 are two different events. plus bad times happens sometimes. dada is a tru 4.3. so was tyrone ross. i dont remember hearin ross's name much in track .football speed and track is different. admit it man ur are just a lee hater:rolleyes: u r the biggest homer on here when it comes to lufkin.
I still call BS on DaDa. He may run a legetimate 4.5 to 4.6. Besides that you got no idea what you are talking about. The 100 is a sprinters event. IF DaDa actually could run a 4.38 he would be standing on the podium in Austin as the winner of the 100. There is no BS you can spout that will change that fact. BIGRED you need to start being factual. None of the East Texas crap. No hand time 40's. Get me a electronic 40 time on DaDa. Every recuiting site I have looked at has him at 4.5 to 4.6. I got more info on him than you will ever have my friend. Grades and attitude will play a bigger role on what he does after High school than any GOD given talent he has.

[LP-79]

After all the comments on here I still think the big 4 are ranked preseason as

1. Longview Nothing but a State championship will be acceptable

2. John Tyler. They have to be ranked here on returning players. Losing their offensive coach may hurt them.

3a. Lufkin. To many questions early
3b. Tyler Lee. to many questions early. Will DaDa run wild this year?

[Rapture]

OK BIGRED you call me a homer? You need to put the crack pipe down and rethink your assesment. All I am going to say about that. I can't type because I have tears in my eyes from laughing so much. I got a deal for you Bigred. At the end of the season lets look back at our predictions. Just between us. If my predictions are better you will have to wear a shirt proclaiming your love for the Lufkin Panthers for a week plus get on here and write a essay. Yours will be why Tyler Lee should never play Longview in East Texas classic again. If your predictions are better I will wear a RedRaider shirt for a month. My essay will be Coach Owens owns Coach Outlaw. How about it Bigred you got the cajones to take that bet? You must realize I have pwned you last 2 years.
:eek: bring it homie!! but i aint wearing nothin that sAYS longview owns lee wether u r closer or not,cause lobos want be lee regrdless who right out of me or u. lee may not go undefeated cause as you can see they will have some tough games in district that will be decided in the 4th like JT and desoto.they could possbly loose 2 or 3. i bet you anything they want go 5-5:confused::confused: whaat da hell is he thinking:confused: oh im back, yea like i was sayin.... go big red!!!

[Rapture]

I still call BS on DaDa. He may run a legetimate 4.5 to 4.6. Besides that you got no idea what you are talking about. The 100 is a sprinters event. IF DaDa actually could run a 4.38 he would be standing on the podium in Austin as the winner of the 100. There is no BS you can spout that will change that fact. BIGRED you need to start being factual. None of the East Texas crap. No hand time 40's. Get me a electronic 40 time on DaDa. Every recuiting site I have looked at has him at 4.5 to 4.6. I got more info on him than you will ever have my friend. Grades and attitude will play a bigger role on what he does after High school than any GOD given talent he has.
i agree on the grade thing. he has had offers slide by because of that. hopefully he gets on track enough to get to a good d-1 university.as for the times , i have seen him run. i cant argue what u saw on anouther site with computer times or what, but i know for a fact that if he breaks open field aint nothing catchin him. so i see 4.3 on that field and believe it. but i want argue what no site got cause i havnt timed him. but i believe the 4.3 time cause thats what he looks like

[LP-79]

:eek: bring homie!! but i aint wearing nothin that sAYS longview owns lee wether u r closer or not,cause lobos want be lee regrdless who right out of me or u. lee may not go undefeated cause as you can see they will have some tough games in district that will be decided in the 4th like JT and desoto.they could possbly loose 2 or 3. i bet you anything they want go 5-5:confused::confused: whaat da hell is he thinking:confused: oh im back, yea like i was sayin.... go big fed!!!

I got you so upset you are typing worse than you ussually do. My God man grow a pair here. Man up! A friendly East Texas bet is offered and you start backing off your prediction of Lee going 16-0 and state champs. So you will not welsh out of it you come up with the bet. Whoever's prediction is closer at end of season the loser gets to do? Your pick just remember I will honor my bet will you honor yours?

[Rapture]

I got you so upset you are typing worse than you ussually do. My God man grow a pair here. Man up! A friendly East Texas bet is offered and you start backing off your prediction of Lee going 16-0 and state champs. So you will not welsh out of it you come up with the bet. Whoever's prediction is closer at end of season the loser gets to do? Your pick just remember I will honor my bet will you honor yours?
oh no im not upset. im not backing off lee going undefeated either,just sayin there are a couple games that could surprise me. my bet is who ever bet is closer the looser has to call david smoak radio show and praise the other team:notworthy

[LP-79]

Ok I agree with that bet. Smoaky will have a heart attack if you call in saying Lufkin is better than Tyler Lee:)

[LP-79]

Just to double check on DaDa. He has not recieved any offers yet. All the services have him as a JUCO or Div.II right now because of his size. All have him at excellent speed. Only problem is just in East Texas there are 7 runningbacks just as fast as DaDa. They are bigger and stronger or have the body frame to bulk up and not lose any speed. Only real knock I have seen about him. Undersized is OK in High School but will get you squat in a Div. I school.

[Rapture]

Just to double check on DaDa. He has not recieved any offers yet. All the services have him as a JUCO or Div.II right now because of his size. All have him at excellent speed. Only problem is just in East Texas there are 7 runningbacks just as fast as DaDa. They are bigger and stronger or have the body frame to bulk up and not lose any speed. Only real knock I have seen about him. Undersized is OK in High School but will get you squat in a Div. I school.no, dada will be fine. like i said the scouts see what everyboddy else see's then they want have any choice. he runs over guys you would call d-1 prospects. im not arguing about his speed anymore. ill let him prove it on the field. oh and as far as the bet, how about we just make it a lee/lufkin head to head bet. cause if lee looses 3 games that is in your favor cause they do count a playoff loss. if lee happens to loose 2 regular season games then they would have to win state for me to win the bet. how about you bet they will go 5-5 and i say 16-0. if neither of us be exactly right then bet is a tie. thats more even

[LP-79]

Tell you what Bigred. I will say Tyler Lee has at least 4 losses on the season. I will give you 2 losses to play with. If they lose 3 we call it even. Bet will be if I am right you call Smoaky show and say Coach Outlaw is best coach in East Texas, and Lufkin is the envy of Tyler Lee. If you win I will call Smoaky up and say Coach Owens is best coach in TEXAS and Tyler Lee should be considered favorite to win State every year. Is it a bet?

[LP-79]

Bigred just to satisfy myself I did extra checking on DaDa. He is on the Rivals site but is not ranked. They have his forty time as 4.5.
I then checked another site and they have him graded out as a 74 which is about average on runningbacks. Here are comments left by the scout.

Expect recruiting to pick up on this guy. Despite his marginal size and the fact that he does look even lighter on film, Brown has too much foot-quickness and initial speed for a spread offense, at least at the mid-major level, not to take notice. Excels when getting the ball in space out of the gun and in the screen and draw game. Reaches top speed very quickly and excels at picking and sliding his way through the initial traffic and small creases. Flashes quick, very light feet sidestepping defenders through the hole. Shows great stop-start and jump-cut skill; not a real explosive or powerful guy but very elusive and slippery to wrap up in space and even in-line. Runs with very good body control. Can see the small cutback creases open quickly and shows some downhill burst and decisiveness slicing through into the second level. While he will keep his legs churning on contact and shows a bit of feistiness for a scat-back type runner, he will struggle to break consistent tackles at the next level and earn good yards after contact. Very narrow base and lean overall body makes durability and power a concern. Looks a bit quicker than fast and does not possess great top-end speed or an explosive extra gear to pull way in the second level. Brown does have polished hands and receiving skills out of the backfield and we feel if he could land in an open spread offense that utilizes his great quickness as a "space player", he could contribute. Key to recruitment may be his physical development over the next year and continued multi-purpose production as a senior.

[Rapture]

Tell you what Bigred. I will say Tyler Lee has at least 4 losses on the season. I will give you 2 losses to play with. If they lose 3 we call it even. Bet will be if I am right you call Smoaky show and say Coach Outlaw is best coach in East Texas, and Lufkin is the envy of Tyler Lee. If you win I will call Smoaky up and say Coach Owens is best coach in TEXAS and Tyler Lee should be considered favorite to win State every year. Is it a bet?
no u said 5 games. no if i win u say coach owens is the best coach in texas and lee in your opinion is a stronger proram than lufkin ever been when they are at their best

[Rapture]

Bigred just to satisfy myself I did extra checking on DaDa. He is on the Rivals site but is not ranked. They have his forty time as 4.5.
I then checked another site and they have him graded out as a 74 which is about average on runningbacks. Here are comments left by the scout.

Expect recruiting to pick up on this guy. Despite his marginal size and the fact that he does look even lighter on film, Brown has too much foot-quickness and initial speed for a spread offense, at least at the mid-major level, not to take notice. Excels when getting the ball in space out of the gun and in the screen and draw game. Reaches top speed very quickly and excels at picking and sliding his way through the initial traffic and small creases. Flashes quick, very light feet sidestepping defenders through the hole. Shows great stop-start and jump-cut skill; not a real explosive or powerful guy but very elusive and slippery to wrap up in space and even in-line. Runs with very good body control. Can see the small cutback creases open quickly and shows some downhill burst and decisiveness slicing through into the second level. While he will keep his legs churning on contact and shows a bit of feistiness for a scat-back type runner, he will struggle to break consistent tackles at the next level and earn good yards after contact. Very narrow base and lean overall body makes durability and power a concern. Looks a bit quicker than fast and does not possess great top-end speed or an explosive extra gear to pull way in the second level. Brown does have polished hands and receiving skills out of the backfield and we feel if he could land in an open spread offense that utilizes his great quickness as a "space player", he could contribute. Key to recruitment may be his physical development over the next year and continued multi-purpose production as a senior.
sounds very close to him,but i have a lilmore respect for a guys speed if he can run a 97 and 75yrd tds

[LP-79]

no u said 5 games. no if i win u say coach owens is the best coach in texas and lee in your opinion is a stronger proram than lufkin ever been when they are at their best
Wait a minute You were one said 16-0 STATE champions. I am giving you 2 loses to play with. I take 4 loses. 3 is a push. Really anything less than 4 loses this year I will honor the bet. You have 2 to play with.

[Rapture]

Wait a minute You were one said 16-0 STATE champions. I am giving you 2 loses to play with. I take 4 loses. 3 is a push. Really anything less than 4 loses this year I will honor the bet. You have 2 to play with.
anything can happen with that schedule they have. i just know they want loose 5 games. thats what im gonna honer. but i do feel they can go 16

[GameTyme]

Yeah he is big on DaDa. He just does not have him as one of the top 4 RB's in east Texas. DaDa is one of them guys you here about and talk about. If you get my meaning he has Leonard Hewitt wrote all over him. Very good high school runningback never to be heard of on the sporting scene after that. See Rapture I work where I can see more and hear more about the sporting scene around East texas than most people. I try to look at things objectively. Really and truly I root for Lufkin but I take the Homer glasses off when discussing them. As you can see I have Lufkin supporters disagreeing with some things I have said.


Da Da is not in the same league as Hewitt. Leaonard could have picked any school he wanted in the country Florida was all over him and his knee would have been fine with time and proper rehab but Leonard couldnt get qualified by that I mean passing the Taaks test.

Sorry LP-79 DaDa wont be heard of because more then likely he will go Juco or somewhere in the southland conference. Hewitt just didnt pass a stupid F'n test that shouldnt determine if you graduate or not.

[GameTyme]

Um, Allen has never played Longview in Longview. Good try, though.

And I see Fav is still bitter about losing in LView. ;) Apparently those losses hit really close to the heart with the Lufkin fans, coaches, etc. I mean, the only time I've seen people blame officials more is Waco Midway or Longview fans. And I don't recall any just flat out bad calls, much less that influence the game in a huge way. Not like being called for holding after getting 2 first downs, both of which would have ended the game. Not to mention, both calls were questionable at BEST (especially when you look at how they had let holding go on both sides all night). And then letting a horrible pass interference go to allow an interception.

But I saw LP fans claiming Longview was inner city ghetto, clamoring about what people were saying, getting butthurt over the fans rushing the field (which they did against Evangel in 02 and Lee in 04, just FYI... You're not special), and other things. I mean, my friend had a drink poured on her at the 07 game in Lufkin as we left through the tunnel and I heard plenty of stuff around females and kids that I wouldn't dream of saying... But I guess every team has fans like that.

And the cheerleaders wouldn't sell me a program at the Cy Ridge game at Kyle Field this past year because I was wearing Lobo gear. :( I think that there was more to that loss than I'm seeing, because Lufkin fans REALLY resented us for it.


If I recall at the Cy Ridege game that one of your Lufkin buddies ;) recognized you at half time and was like whats up LOL. See we are not all bad. Really wasnt hard to recognize you walkin around in Longview sweats LOL.

[LoboBooster73]

I think I'll be "pissing and moaning" about having to listen to the
"dawg-hollerers" for 3 hours ! ! ! ! !

:D:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy


We'll turn up the PA system just for you!

[Rapture]

Da Da is not in the same league as Hewitt. Leaonard could have picked any school he wanted in the country Florida was all over him and his knee would have been fine with time and proper rehab but Leonard couldnt get qualified by that I mean passing the Taaks test.

Sorry LP-79 DaDa wont be heard of because more then likely he will go Juco or somewhere in the southland conference. Hewitt just didnt pass a stupid F'n test that shouldnt determine if you graduate or not.
man you crazy!!! dada is a bigger than hewwit. dada is in league of his own.

[GameTyme]

man you crazy!!! dada is a bigger than hewwit. dada is in league of his own.


LOL ok Hewitt was a the #4 Ranked FS in the class of 2006 and was a 4star player and that is 4 more stars the Da Da Brown has right now. Hewitt led the state in INTS his Jr season Da Da Brown didnt even lead his own district in rushing.

Now I have seen Da Da play once against Lufkin and he can make you hold your breate sometimes when he slips and slides his way threw but he ended up with like 40 rushing yards if that with half of them coming on his first carry. He is more quick then top end fast. Im sure he does ran a hand held 4.3 40 but electronically proly not. Now Reggie McNeal ran a legit 4.35 and Brown is no where near that elusive nor as fast as McNeal in HS.
To Browns credit he can catch the ball and do things out the backfield and I would love to have him lining up in our backfield next season in all Purple but thats not gonna happen.

[rich_pack]

What I dont understand is how everyone was *****ing about the game last year between Lufkin and Mesquite during the middle of the day when it was in the mid 90's temp, alot of people passing out, but yet, the same time in Lufkin this coming season? huh? Am I missing something or is the person scheduling suffer a heat stroke during the game last season and forget about that?

[farmerfan]

dada runs 4.3 and i dont know and how rivals get there info,but im sure u can go to other sites and seee dada has better comments

and I can fucntion just fine after drinking a handle of vodka:rolleyes:

[Rapture]

.................................................. .................................................. .................LOL ok Hewitt was a the #4 Ranked FS in the class of 2006 and was a 4star player and that is 4 more stars the Da Da Brown has right now. Hewitt led the state in INTS his Jr season Da Da Brown didnt even lead his own district in rushing.

Now I have seen Da Da play once against Lufkin and he can make you hold your breate sometimes when he slips and slides his way threw but he ended up with like 40 rushing yards if that with half of them coming on his first carry. He is more quick then top end fast. Im sure he does ran a hand held 4.3 40 but electronically proly not. Now Reggie McNeal ran a legit 4.35 and Brown is no where near that elusive nor as fast as McNeal in HS.
To Browns credit he can catch the ball and do things out the backfield and I would love to have him lining up in our backfield next season in all Purple but thats not gonna happen.
dada had nearly 100 yds vs lufkin with 37 on the second play , but he did have a total of aroung 150 all-pupose yds if u add recieving. he didnt lead his district cause he went agains top defenses all year,with those other backs playin butter ball defenses. he is probobly the best in the state. time will tell his sr.yr and if you think mcniel was a better runner than dada ur funny!!! LMAO!!!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Never seen Dada play! But, from what I hear, with his ability to be able to catch the ball as well, as take a handoff, someone is going to recruit him. Sounds like another Shannon Woods!

[Rapture]

Never seen Dada play! But, from what I hear, with his ability to be able to catch the ball as well, as take a handoff, someone is going to recruit him. Sounds like another Shannon Woods!
O YEA, try to c him this yr if u can

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

O YEA, try to c him this yr if u can

Are you going to be in Lewisville the night that Lee plays Marcus?

[Rapture]

Are you going to be in Lewisville the night that Lee plays Marcus?
no i'll probobly be in flower mound that night. lewisville comes here anyway.

[LP-79]

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dada had nearly 100 yds vs lufkin with 37 on the second play , but he did have a total of aroung 150 all-pupose yds if u add recieving. he didnt lead his district cause he went agains top defenses all year,with those other backs playin butter ball defenses. he is probobly the best in the state. time will tell his sr.yr and if you think mcniel was a better runner than dada ur funny!!! LMAO!!!

BIGRED what game did you watch last year? DaDa was a total nonfactor in second half. All I am saying on that. By the way..... you saying DaDa is a better runner or faster than Reggie just shows everybody on here that you have no idea what you are talking about. Not trying to start nothing with that. Just being brutally honest.

[Rapture]

BIGRED what game did you watch last year? DaDa was a total nonfactor in second half. All I am saying on that. By the way..... you saying DaDa is a better runner or faster than Reggie just shows everybody on here that you have no idea what you are talking about. Not trying to start nothing with that. Just being brutally honest.he is not faster than reggie was, but he sure hell is a better runner i dont care what you homers say. reggie was a good runner for a qb, but u cant say he is a better runner than a top running back and reggie never ran between the tackles hardly. macniel was one of the best running qb's i ever seen and i enjoyed watching him,but he is not better than dada when it comes to running come on man!. if dada played qb and he got to run when every body running down field with their backs turned shoot he would get 12,000 yds. thats all i hav on that..NEXT!

[Tyler Lee Fan]

BIGRED what game did you watch last year? DaDa was a total nonfactor in second half. All I am saying on that. By the way..... you saying DaDa is a better runner or faster than Reggie just shows everybody on here that you have no idea what you are talking about. Not trying to start nothing with that. Just being brutally honest.




I agree DaDa was a non-factor in the second half against Lufkin last year, but we didn't even run the same offense scheme the second half, can't blame DaDa for that. We really weren't even out played, just a little unlucky and a few poor coaching decisions. Wouldn't even go as far as saying we were out coached. Just a few bad decisions and some really good luck for Lufkin on a few hail Mary passes that was completed on our defensive backs in the 2nd half! That is the way it goes and congrats to Lufkin on a big win, and I can't wait until we visit old Abe this year! Just like the old days, should be fun.

As far as DaDa goes: DaDa is a solid 4.5 runner; He is good RB and can be great at the high school level. He needs to gain about 20 pounds to be a tough contact runner (bruiser or banger) in a D1 College, but I am not saying he can't have a great career at the next level. When I say tough contact runner I don't mean the ability to take a hit I mean break big hits for additional yardage, he can definitely take big hits. Also, I really don't know what he is weighing in at right now, but I would guess around 188 on the top end, currently. I expect greatness from him this year.

Rapture, PLEASE STOP MAKING INSANE AND RIDICULOUS PREDICTIONS. I believe we have a great team as well, but dude just quit being ignorant about it man!

[LP-79]

Then quit contradicting yourself:D

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

no i'll probobly be in flower mound that night. lewisville comes here anyway.

LOL! Bro, Marcus and Lewisville share the same stadium. It's on the campus of Lewisville High. So, technically, your answer is, yes, you WILL be in Lewisville the night that Marcus and Lee play. LOL!

[99cujo]

he is not faster than reggie was, but he sure hell is a better runner i dont care what you homers say. reggie was a good runner for a qb, but u cant say he is a better runner than a top running back and reggie never ran between the tackles hardly. macniel was one of the best running qb's i ever seen and i enjoyed watching him,but he is not better than dada when it comes to running come on man!. if dada played qb and he got to run when every body running down field with their backs turned shoot he would get 12,000 yds. thats all i hav on that..NEXT!Ok I didn't want to get in this but enough is enough I seen both players play I never once seen DaDa just take over a game like Reggie.......DaDa is not close to Reggie ........My lil nep....plays for Lee he told me DaDa only runs a good 4.5 sorry...Now for the long runs last year we had three backs that broke for more the 75yds for tds but they don't run a 4.3 just good a play at the right time. Reggie was one the best HIGH SCHOOL football player in a long time.Da Da is a good back I hate that we have to play against him.

[Rapture]

LOL! Bro, Marcus and Lewisville share the same stadium. It's on the campus of Lewisville High. So, technically, your answer is, yes, you WILL be in Lewisville the night that Marcus and Lee play. LOL!
lol!! oh ok,then i guess i will be in lewisville

[Aggies2009]

If I recall at the Cy Ridege game that one of your Lufkin buddies ;) recognized you at half time and was like whats up LOL. See we are not all bad. Really wasnt hard to recognize you walkin around in Longview sweats LOL.

Haha, yeah, you're one of few. Outside the Lufkin-Conroe game in 07 that a friend and I went to, we met a guy who said he had played in the early 90s and he was a great guy to talk football with. Too bad all fans (Longview included) can't be like those two. ;)

[RedRaider008]

Dada has A LOT more help this yr!! The suprise will be the new QB.... No one expected this.

And the Freshman that hasnt even made to the Lee campus yet..... Stay tuned!

QB's beware the 2 OLB's returning both are Rivals Top 50 in the nation.

We may actually have a shot this yr against L'view...

Abilene.... you get to drive this yr! Good Luck

[Rapture]

Dada has A LOT more help this yr!! The suprise will be the new QB.... No one expected this.

And the Freshman that hasnt even made to the Lee campus yet..... Stay tuned!

QB's beware the 2 OLB's returning both are Rivals Top 50 in the nation.

We may actually have a shot this yr against L'view...

Abilene.... you get to drive this yr! Good Luck
yep i mentioned him in the spring game topic, lol!! cant wait

[99cujo]

Dada has A LOT more help this yr!! The suprise will be the new QB.... No one expected this.

And the Freshman that hasnt even made to the Lee campus yet..... Stay tuned!
QB's beware the 2 OLB's returning both are Rivals Top 50 in the nation.

We may actually have a shot this yr against L'view...

Abilene.... you get to drive this yr! Good LuckAbout that Super Fresh...... he is friend to my grandson and they both went to H/M but lived in B/M district....about eight blocks away- so unless he lie about his real address (which is nothing new)... stay tune

[Tyler Lee Fan]

About that Super Fresh...... he is friend to my grandson and they both went to H/M but lived in B/M district....about eight blocks away- so unless he lie about his real address (which is nothing new)... stay tune

He will be at Lee legally! So don't go cryin' already. I can already hear the jealuosy starting.... We couldn't possibly have a good player live in our district right? Give me a break man!

[Rapture]

He will be at Lee legally! So don't go cryin' already. I can already hear the jealuosy starting.... We couldn't possibly have a good player live in our district right? Give me a break man!:cool: u know it has to be some contravercial talk when it comes to one of the top players in the state playing for lee . somebody gonna always get jelous;)@cujo99 lmao!!

[99cujo]

He will be at Lee legally! So don't go cryin' already. I can already hear the jealuosy starting.... We couldn't possibly have a good player live in our district right? Give me a break man!I will respond to you not BigRed because you act like a man with sense......just sayin they come over to my house everyday or two & he did not go to H/MS legally not cryin just real facts or jealuosy as u may say ov er one player because our squad looks pretty good now and with the players comming over we look even better in the future.Far as good players in your district Lee get good players every year....... now there is your break man!Good luck

[CO99JTHS]

Glad to know I didn't miss anything lol........Wow, I stepped away and came back to the exact same arguement almost a year later. Last year it was DaDa > Kendall Hunter.....well, Kendall made All Big-12 and DaDa can't even play in it lol. He's a solid back, but he ain't no....(insert average hs back name here) lol. Seriously though, he's a solid back and he serves Lee's purposes just fine; nothing more/nothing less. Another in a long line of decent, but not great, Lee backs...NEXT!!! . Come on now, Rapture...we know how this turns out don't we? Yes, I think we do lol.

[kalanj]

kendall hunter wasn't a great back in high school he had 1200 yds and lead yall to a 4-6 record and a first round lost! Lee has 4 backs that have more yards than kendall hunter at the high school level an he is your all time leading rusher so that make your backs less than average

[CO99JTHS]

kendall hunter wasn't a great back in high school he had 1200 yds and lead yall to a 4-6 record and a first round lost! Lee has 4 backs that have more yards than kendall hunter at the high school level an he is your all time leading rusher so that make your backs less than average

Wow, the ignorance on this board never seizes to amaze....just wow.... seriously....wow....a first round "lost"...the public school systems have failed us miserably. I shouldn't have even dignified this foolishness with a response so I guess the joke is indeed on me...

So, let me get this straight. Kendall Hunter wasn't a great back in High School, he just turned great once he got to college, in a big time conference and the competition got exponentially better?? Well, I guess coaching can work miracles lol. Wait, I think I got it. Just maybe, the 11-5a defenses he faced were alot tougher than the Big 12 South defenses which he torches every Saturday? Well, here's hoping that DaDa has a "great switch" he can turn on too, once he gets to SFA or Blinn Juco lol.

To gain 1200yds on a 4-6 team is a feat in itself. Stats can lie, highlights don't. Anyone that ever seen Hunter play would tell you he was indeed a GREAT back.

[Rapture]

Wow, the ignorance on this board never seizes to amaze....just wow.... seriously....wow....a first round "lost"...the public school systems have failed us miserably. I shouldn't have even dignified this foolishness with a response so I guess the joke is indeed on me...

So, let me get this straight. Kendall Hunter wasn't a great back in High School, he just turned great once he got to college, in a big time conference and the competition got exponentially better?? Well, I guess coaching can work miracles lol. Wait, I think I got it. Just maybe, the 11-5a defenses he faced were alot tougher than the Big 12 South defenses which he torches every Saturday? Well, here's hoping that DaDa has a "great switch" he can turn on too, once he gets to SFA or Blinn Juco lol.

To gain 1200yds on a 4-6 team is a feat in itself. Stats can lie, highlights don't. Anyone that ever seen Hunter play would tell you he was indeed a GREAT back.he was ag good high back but he is no better than dada! dada hasnt got to college yet so you cant say what he will do and want do compared to kendell, but when it comes to highschoo career. dada has already just about surpassed everything kendall did. plus hunter had a horrible senior year. when it came to stats. he was good, dont get me wrong. youm just cant argue him as a great highschool back if you cant argue dada as one.just the truth

[ROD LEE]

I have to give the nod to Brown when comparing he and Hunter on the HS level. Brown has had a much more productive career as he should. Brown has started more games and has played in the same offensive direction his entire varsity experience. If you can't get the numbers up doing the same thing year after year then you are no good. If I can, I have to give Hunter props for hanging tough through all the misfortunes so I could have opportunities to watch him play.

[GameTyme]

Wow, the ignorance on this board never seizes to amaze....just wow.... seriously....wow....a first round "lost"...the public school systems have failed us miserably. I shouldn't have even dignified this foolishness with a response so I guess the joke is indeed on me...

So, let me get this straight. Kendall Hunter wasn't a great back in High School, he just turned great once he got to college, in a big time conference and the competition got exponentially better?? Well, I guess coaching can work miracles lol. Wait, I think I got it. Just maybe, the 11-5a defenses he faced were alot tougher than the Big 12 South defenses which he torches every Saturday? Well, here's hoping that DaDa has a "great switch" he can turn on too, once he gets to SFA or Blinn Juco lol.

To gain 1200yds on a 4-6 team is a feat in itself. Stats can lie, highlights don't. Anyone that ever seen Hunter play would tell you he was indeed a GREAT back.

Ditto


Im going to go ahead and settle this now and its really stupid that it has reached this far. Kendall Hunter is going to become a first round draft picks after next season he is in the f'n heisman discussion. Tho Kendall Hunter played on a worse HS team st the time then Da Da doesnt mean Brown is better. Browm will be lucky to make the Southland conference and has 0 chance of the NFL. How far has Brown taken Tyler Lee in the okayoffs couldnt have been that far. Damn Brown is good but to even suggest he is better then Hunter is just ignorant. Now TY was a monster for Lee all the love in the world for that boy he was a really great HS back 10 times better then Brown but didnt have enough at the college level I think he at SFA now ima try and go check that out.

Tally and McGee were the monsters in the LV era Tally and Lufkin had Manns and Lane. Pretty good backs out of east Texas when you think about it the past decade or so. For JT throw Garmon in there he was aight they proly should have won state Julian Norman proly did the most with less in his time in the early 2000's.

[Rapture]

Ditto


Im going to go ahead and settle this now and its really stupid that it has reached this far. Kendall Hunter is going to become a first round draft picks after next season he is in the f'n heisman discussion. Tho Kendall Hunter played on a worse HS team st the time then Da Da doesnt mean Brown is better. Browm will be lucky to make the Southland conference and has 0 chance of the NFL. How far has Brown taken Tyler Lee in the okayoffs couldnt have been that far. Damn Brown is good but to even suggest he is better then Hunter is just ignorant. Now TY was a monster for Lee all the love in the world for that boy he was a really great HS back 10 times better then Brown but didnt have enough at the college level I think he at SFA now ima try and go check that out.

Tally and McGee were the monsters in the LV era Tally and Lufkin had Manns and Lane. Pretty good backs out of east Texas when you think about it the past decade or so. For JT throw Garmon in there he was aight they proly should have won state Julian Norman proly did the most with less in his time in the early 2000's.i dont think yo opinion maters anyway cause you never seen brown play but one game and to judge hunter success in the college level against dada when he hasnt played a down of d-1 yet is ridiculious. back in 2006. you wouldnt be close to sayin the crap you are sayin now, expecialy when you try to compare how far a a back has taken a team in the playoffs when hunter never won a playoff game. no disrespect to kendall, just arguing yo crap

[GameTyme]

i dont think yo opinion maters anyway cause you never seen brown play but one game and to judge hunter success in the college level against dada when he hasnt played a down of d-1 yet is ridiculious. back in 2006. you wouldnt be close to sayin the crap you are sayin now, expecialy when you try to compare how far a a back has taken a team in the playoffs when hunter never won a playoff game. no disrespect to kendall, just arguing yo crap


LMAO you right I seen Brown once and the only game I saw was our LB's and Big J Mac feeding Da Da the business BTW how many yards sis the super star get that game not many.

Look Brown will never get a chance to evenplay on the Div 1 level so when he gets Juco or NAIA we still cant compare stats. Hunter never won a playoff game but how many has da da won and he has been on better teams. You ride Da Da nuts like he done somethin if anybody deserves somethin it should Tyron Ross he actuallyed backed it up when he played (Tho TY still didnt break 100 on us my SR season but Lee did when state but we did give them the business though at abe)

Basically quit sounding stupid by sayin Brown is this and that he aint half the back TY and want do anything bigger then what TY did in college. As far as Hunter goes he is a heisman candidate so STFU could care less if he didnt do **** at JT but make snow cones some Div 1 team recognized him and um cant say the same for Da Da.

[Rapture]

LMAO you right I seen Brown once and the only game I saw was our LB's and Big J Mac feeding Da Da the business BTW how many yards sis the super star get that game not many.

Look Brown will never get a chance to evenplay on the Div 1 level so when he gets Juco or NAIA we still cant compare stats. Hunter never won a playoff game but how many has da da won and he has been on better teams. You ride Da Da nuts like he done somethin if anybody deserves somethin it should Tyron Ross he actuallyed backed it up when he played (Tho TY still didnt break 100 on us my SR season but Lee did when state but we did give them the business though at abe)

Basically quit sounding stupid by sayin Brown is this and that he aint half the back TY and want do anything bigger then what TY did in college. As far as Hunter goes he is a heisman candidate so STFU could care less if he didnt do **** at JT but make snow cones some Div 1 team recognized him and um cant say the same for Da Da.
for yo info dada had over 150 yards all-purpose on yalls sorry defense. plus why you say TY didnt break 100 yo sr. yr. hell he broke 200 on yall his sohpmore year. plus dada has won 2 playoff games plua he has highlght plays every games. break multiple 20,30,40,50 and 60 yrs runs every year.he is right up there with ross and farmer. yall had a beak close to what dada can do. not evens manns or big boy yall had 5yrs ago. bra if you are gonna argue with me , have some real arguments and statments. you and said nothin that backs up what you say about dada or lufkin defense. ross hrt yall everytime he played you and you talkin about 04. he what about all the other games . plus he still had 2 td's in 04. dada clowned lufkin last season IMO and will kill ruin them this season

[GameTyme]

for yo info dada had over 150 yards all-purpose on yalls sorry defense. plus why you say TY didnt break 100 yo sr. yr. hell he broke 200 on yall his sohpmore year. plus dada has won 2 playoff games plua he has highlght plays every games. break multiple 20,30,40,50 and 60 yrs runs every year.he is right up there with ross and farmer. yall had a beak close to what dada can do. not evens manns or big boy yall had 5yrs ago. bra if you are gonna argue with me , have some real arguments and statments. you and said nothin that backs up what you say about dada or lufkin defense. ross hrt yall everytime he played you and you talkin about 04. he what about all the other games . plus he still had 2 td's in 04. dada clowned lufkin last season IMO and will kill ruin them this season


LMAO you ticklin my belley and smokin on that rock boy. First off if Da Da had 150 all purpose yards then he had to be including his kick return yards cause the boy only rushed for 40 yards and caught the ball for what 40 yards. Da Da was a non facotor and if our defense was sorry well you O-Line must have really sucked cause they gave up 5 sacks LMAO and you didnt score in the 2nd half while Trimble had a field day like back in 5th grade. Russell Shepheard had 311 yards rushing on us last seaon no tellin what his all purpose was well over 450. Now you still think Da Da did somethin to the Lufkin defense

On Ty yeah he was a beast and as a sophmore he ended up with 189 on us in an OT game that was for the ages but lets take a look at the bigger picture of TY. as a Freshman against Lufkin Lee was shut out and he and Smith maybe both combine for 4 or 5 yards rushin (Jk) but TY sucked it up as a freshman against us. His sophmore year yeah he did his thang. Jr season Lufkin and Lee split but it wasnt because of TY Lufkin dominated the 1st game and Pettigre bailed ya *** out in the 2nd game, but TY didnt do **** everythin yall got was cause Pettigrew was a grown man. And finally my favorite my Sr season vs TY his sr season at abe and yeah he scored twice but didnt break 100 Lane finished that game with close to 200 yards rushin and last thing I remeber was draggin your LB's every damn play en route to a Lufkin win. Now congrats cause Ty got you state but Da Da aint done a damn thing. BTW Vondrell McGee was better then TY he had 192 on us my sr season just an absolute monster. Best thing to happen to Tyler Lee was that Lufkin and LV and SLC all were D2 that season. Thats the truth.

And goodluck next season at Abe cause I think your Red Raiders and Da Da are gonna need it when you see Thomas-Kelly.

[LoboFan07]

Im going to go ahead and settle this now and its really stupid that it has reached this far.

Look at who you're talking to.

But then again....we're the ones that are homers according to him.

[allendad]

We'll turn up the PA system just for you!


This game is going to be . . . .

Be - ay - u - tif - ul ! ! ! !

I am very worried about this game.
It´s the first one outta the shoot.

What agreat way to spend the day . . . .
out in the pines watchin´Lobos and Eagles
goin´at it!

Tune up that P.A. system for us.

I´m sure we´ll get after the smack once
August rolls around.

Have a great summer Longview!

[Aggies2009]

This game is going to be . . . .

Be - ay - u - tif - ul ! ! ! !

I am very worried about this game.
It´s the first one outta the shoot.

What agreat way to spend the day . . . .
out in the pines watchin´Lobos and Eagles
goin´at it!

Tune up that P.A. system for us.

I´m sure we´ll get after the smack once
August rolls around.

Have a great summer Longview!

I'd rather not talk smack haha. Both are great teams with histories of winning. I'm hoping for a great football game either way.

[LP-79]

Gonna bump this back up to talk about offense Tyler Lee will be running next year. I don't care what everybody is saying Luke Wagner will be the starting QB this year. His job will be to hand the ball off to DaDa Brown or Chris Dinkins. Or throw a screen or bubble pass. That is all his job will be. DaDa's job will be to use his quickness to hit holes fast, or avoid first tackles to get yardage. Chris Dinkins will be the key to this "Wildcat" offense. Either from direct snaps or handoffs he will use his speed to hit the corners and head upfield. Once defenses start stacking the line to stop him he will pull up and throw a downfield pass. I can see it now 7 in the box he runs. 8 in the box he passes. I am not sure how Luke Wagner will react to his diminished roll but in my opinion he was to easy to get mentally shook up last year leading to a bunch on int's. DaDa will still get his carries but I see him used more this year on screen passes. Get him the ball in space where he is more effective. Tyler Lee's success this year will depend on Chris Dinkins. How he does so does Tyler Lee. Right now I am still sticking to my prediction. A 5-5 season or at best a 6-4 season. It damn sure will not be a 16-0 State champions season.

[Rapture]

Gonna bump this back up to talk about offense Tyler Lee will be running next year. I don't care what everybody is saying Luke Wagner will be the starting QB this year. His job will be to hand the ball off to DaDa Brown or Chris Dinkins. Or throw a screen or bubble pass. That is all his job will be. DaDa's job will be to use his quickness to hit holes fast, or avoid first tackles to get yardage. Chris Dinkins will be the key to this "Wildcat" offense. Either from direct snaps or handoffs he will use his speed to hit the corners and head upfield. Once defenses start stacking the line to stop him he will pull up and throw a downfield pass. I can see it now 7 in the box he runs. 8 in the box he passes. I am not sure how Luke Wagner will react to his diminished roll but in my opinion he was to easy to get mentally shook up last year leading to a bunch on int's. DaDa will still get his carries but I see him used more this year on screen passes. Get him the ball in space where he is more effective. Tyler Lee's success this year will depend on Chris Dinkins. How he does so does Tyler Lee. Right now I am still sticking to my prediction. A 5-5 season or at best a 6-4 season. It damn sure will not be a 16-0 State champions season.
dog i can see how u come up with that opinion about wagner being the starting qb. he has the most experience, but owens has said that the QB position is not decided yet. that leave dinkins a chance to be the startin QB sooner or later. i dont dinkins will start out the season either because of wagner's experience,although i think you are wrong about dinkins only passing when the line is loaded.:cool: he wouldnt get moved to qb if he was one demintional dog. he will run the wildcat for sure but with the recievers we have defenses will get beat no matter what defense they are in.

[LoboFan07]

A 5-5 season or at best a 6-4 season. It damn sure will not be a 16-0 State champions season.

Agreed.

[Rapture]

what ever lee run it will definatly work vs lufkin and longview

[RP-3]

what ever lee run it will definatly work vs lufkin and longview

Well it hasn't worked the last 5 times against Longview. ;)

[bigjim]

Gonna bump this back up to talk about offense Tyler Lee will be running next year. I don't care what everybody is saying Luke Wagner will be the starting QB this year. His job will be to hand the ball off to DaDa Brown or Chris Dinkins. Or throw a screen or bubble pass. That is all his job will be. DaDa's job will be to use his quickness to hit holes fast, or avoid first tackles to get yardage. Chris Dinkins will be the key to this "Wildcat" offense. Either from direct snaps or handoffs he will use his speed to hit the corners and head upfield. Once defenses start stacking the line to stop him he will pull up and throw a downfield pass. I can see it now 7 in the box he runs. 8 in the box he passes. I am not sure how Luke Wagner will react to his diminished roll but in my opinion he was to easy to get mentally shook up last year leading to a bunch on int's. DaDa will still get his carries but I see him used more this year on screen passes. Get him the ball in space where he is more effective. Tyler Lee's success this year will depend on Chris Dinkins. How he does so does Tyler Lee. Right now I am still sticking to my prediction. A 5-5 season or at best a 6-4 season. It damn sure will not be a 16-0 State champions season.

LP, unfortunatly I tend to agree with your opinion. Lee has got to become more diverse offensivly, and that has to start at the qb position. With a qb like either of the Hill brothers I truly believe DaDa and Dinkins could have unbelivable years. Lee had an outstanding defense last year that WAS the reason they made it to the 2nd round where a very good Garland team stopped their one dimensional offense. My point is if the offense cannot take some of the pressure off this years defense your prediction of 5-5 or 6-4 could be dead on.

[LoboFan07]

well it hasn't worked the last 5 times against longview. ;)

6. ;););)

[RP-3]

6. ;););)

I stand corrected LoboFan. My bad. Thanks :notworthy

[Rapture]

I stand corrected LoboFan. My bad. Thanks :notworthy
well it aint like we aint had a streak on yall right before you went on yours;)

[LP-79]

Looking at Region 2 analysis from the KT's it looks like they see it pretty much like I do.Except they have Lufkin slight favorites over John Tyler. I think this is more from reputation and coaching than with returning players. Whatever the differences they still have Tyler Lee sucking hind teat but that could be a motivator for the boys in Red. I still believe this is year "CUJO" roars back to life. They probably will not win all their games but whoever they play will know after the game that it was on hell of a fight.

[LP-79]

Wonder how high BIGRED&CUJOs blood pressure will shoot when he sees the KT's did not pick DaDa Brown as a first team Runningback? After all a legitamite sub 4.3 runningback should be the best in Texas!

[Rapture]

Looking at Region 2 analysis from the KT's it looks like they see it pretty much like I do.Except they have Lufkin slight favorites over John Tyler. I think this is more from reputation and coaching than with returning players. Whatever the differences they still have Tyler Lee sucking hind teat but that could be a motivator for the boys in Red. I still believe this is year "CUJO" roars back to life. They probably will not win all their games but whoever they play will know after the game that it was on hell of a fight.
YES CUJO :notworthyIS BACK

[Rapture]

Well i am shocked that dada is not a first team rb, but i can see why he is not. Most of those back are not in the same league as dada especially that desoto running back. These doods are up there because of their yds. The competition didnt decide in this one. I think the fm marcus back should be a first team back. Dada had over 1300 yds last yr vs good defenses plus some games he was takin out at halftime or 3rd qtr. Im not really knockin the player nor do i want to. Those doods deserve to be where there at and earned it. Im just gonna let them play and have fun and be safe. Im not hatin none of these players.all are just gonna have to prove themselves.oh and lp! How did you feel when you saw that tyler lee had morenotable players than yo boys in purple?;) AND THE KT'S DONT HAVE LEE SUCKING THIS YR. THEY MAY HAVE THEM BEING 3RD IN DISTRICT RIGHT BEHIND DESOTO AND THEN JT,BUT ATLEAST THEY ARE MENTION AND ON THE VERGE OF BEING RANKED AFTER WE BEAT LUFKIN @ OL ABE

[LP-79]

Racked? You mean the whole team gonna line up and let the KT's go down the line kicking them in the balls? Or did you mean ranked? I said reputation and coaching has Lufkin where they are RANKED. Lets wait till season gets a little closer before we get in the fine details but I expect Lufkin to do just fine this year at OLDABE. Outlaw will eat Owens lunch again is my opinion. Outplayed and outcoached. Just the HOMER in me had to say that.:)

[Rapture]

Racked? You mean the whole team gonna line up and let the KT's go down the line kicking them in the balls? Or did you mean ranked? I said reputation and coaching has Lufkin where they are RANKED. Lets wait till season gets a little closer before we get in the fine details but I expect Lufkin to do just fine this year at OLDABE. Outlaw will eat Owens lunch again is my opinion. Outplayed and outcoached. Just the HOMER in me had to say that.:)
yea i meant ranked and yes i know you are the biggest homer to. owens will be ready for outlaw this year and i know you are worried cause outlaw has never beatin owens more than 2 in a row

[LoboFan07]

well it aint like we aint had a streak on yall right before you went on yours;)

Longview 35 wins.
Tyler Lee 14 wins.

I'm sure it's killing you that Coach King has never even lost to Tyler Lee.

[Rapture]

Longview 35 wins.
Tyler Lee 14 wins.

I'm sure it's killing you that Coach King has never even lost to Tyler Lee.
no its not killing me cause king only been there 5 yrs. the games could of went either way in all of them except 2005 when lee was very young. that all-time record you put up was mostly durin lee's sorry years in the 60's - 80's. longview vs owens is a whole lot more even 8-6 longview. dont bring wins to me before i was born. alot has changed since then. that record is not correct anyway. man yall be on here posting lies like a mug. you no you not gonna get away with it. you think people ar just dumb!?

[LoboFan07]

dont bring wins to me before i was born. alot has changed since then

What has changed? This is the best run Longview has ever had consistently so really the only thing that's changed is that Longview has gotten better since the 80s while Lee has stayed par to their usual selves.

Tyler Lee has one season that they have more than 10 wins since 1958.
Longview has three in this decade alone.

Nothing has changed. since the 70s-80s.

no its not killing me cause king only been there 5 yrs. the could of went either way in all of them except 2005 when lee was very young.

Alright then, if that's what you have to tell yourself.

[Rapture]

[quote=LoboFan07;1210349]What has changed? This is the best run Longview has ever had consistently so really the only thing that's changed is that Longview has gotten better since the 80s while Lee has stayed par to their usual selves.

Tyler Lee has one season that they have more than 10 wins since 1958.
Longview has three in this decade alone.

Nothing has changed. since the 70s-80s.
[/quote ] oh so nothing has changed huh ? how about that lee has won a state title while longview hasnt? what about the fact that lee beat longview 5 tmes in a row from 98-2003 ? what about the fact that lee is 2-1 against ranked #1 teams ? what about the fact that lee has not lost in the first round since 1993 ? can you say the same for longview on all of that ? no!!!! the years where longview didnt get mo0re than 10 wins, they got less than 10, so you can kill that crap. longview is no better than they have been shoot 5a and cant win a 4a state title and they sopose to be the best! lmao!!!! ok i'll let u tell it:rolleyes: go lobos!!:o does that make you feel better:confused:

[LP-79]

yea i meant ranked and yes i know you are the biggest homer to. owens will be ready for outlaw this year and i know you are worried cause outlaw has never beatin owens more than 2 in a row

Rapture I am not worried in the least. You gotta remember Tyler Lee was a lot like Lufkin last year. They both had inept offenses and great defenses. The only difference I see this year is Lufkins defense will still be very good. Tyler Lees is good. Lee is changing their offense to try and spread the defenses a little more. Lufkin has 2 QBs that can run their system that has been in place since their junior high days. Reason I am giving them the advantage over Lee. No homer pick at all. I try to look at whole picture not just 1 or 2 players. Take off the rose colored glasses, step back and look at everything. First game of year. A new offense for Lee. Not saying they will not be good. But it takes time in game situations to get everything right. I think most people on here are in agreement with me on how the teams will be ranked this year. Longview is the best right now. Anything can happen under the lights but you coming on here saying Tyler Lee is going to just beat up on Longview shows how big a HOMER you are Mr. 16-0 State Champs. By the way I got a question for you. Has Tyler Lee ever went a season unbeat in all their history?. NOPE

[LP-79]

[quote=LoboFan07;1210349]What has changed? This is the best run Longview has ever had consistently so really the only thing that's changed is that Longview has gotten better since the 80s while Lee has stayed par to their usual selves.

Tyler Lee has one season that they have more than 10 wins since 1958.
Longview has three in this decade alone.

Nothing has changed. since the 70s-80s.
[/quote ] oh so nothing has changed huh ? how about that lee has won a state title while longview hasnt? what about the fact that lee beat longview 5 tmes in a row from 98-2003 ? what about the fact that lee is 2-3 against ranked #1 teams ? what about the fact that lee has not lost in the first round since 1993 ? can you say the same for longview on all of that ? no!!!! the years where longview didnt get mo0re than 10 wins, they got less than 10, so you can kill that crap. longview is no better than they have been shoot 5a and cant win a 4a state title and they sopose to be the best! lmao!!!! ok i'll let u tell it:rolleyes: go lobos!!:o does that make you feel better:confused:

OK I got a serious question! Is anybody else as confused as me by BigRed? First it was the racked instead of ranked now this mumbo jumbo? I love arguing with him but I may need to get FarmerFan in here to interpert some of his ramblings.

[Rapture]

Rapture I am not worried in the least. You gotta remember Tyler Lee was a lot like Lufkin last year. They both had inept offenses and great defenses. The only difference I see this year is Lufkins defense will still be very good. Tyler Lees is good. Lee is changing their offense to try and spread the defenses a little more. Lufkin has 2 QBs that can run their system that has been in place since their junior high days. Reason I am giving them the advantage over Lee. No homer pick at all. I try to look at whole picture not just 1 or 2 players. Take off the rose colored glasses, step back and look at everything. First game of year. A new offense for Lee. Not saying they will not be good. But it takes time in game situations to get everything right. I think most people on here are in agreement with me on how the teams will be ranked this year. Longview is the best right now. Anything can happen under the lights but you coming on here saying Tyler Lee is going to just beat up on Longview shows how big a HOMER you are Mr. 16-0 State Champs. By the way I got a question for you. Has Tyler Lee ever went a season unbeat in all their history?. NOPE
U R CORRECT lee hasnt ever been undefeated at the end of regular season. we came close twice. once in the 80's they went 9-1 and missed the playoffs by coin flip. 1998 lee started of 8-0 and lost the last two to lufkin and then john tyler./BUT WE HAVE BEEN UNDEFEATED WHEN IT COUNTS MORE AND THATS IN THE PLAYOFFS;)

[Rapture]

[quote=Rapture;1210477]

OK I got a serious question! Is anybody else as confused as me by BigRed? First it was the racked instead of ranked now this mumbo jumbo? I love arguing with him but I may need to get FarmerFan in here to interpert some of his ramblings. WE GONNA C WHO SPEAKS THE MUMBO JUMBO WHEN YOU GO CALLING OH SMOAKY LMAO!!!:D

[LoboFan07]

oh so nothing has changed huh ? how about that lee has won a state title while longview hasnt? what about the fact that lee beat longview 5 tmes in a row from 98-2003 ? what about the fact that lee is 2-3 against ranked #1 teams ? what about the fact that lee has not lost in the first round since 1993 ? can you say the same for longview on all of that ? no!!!!

And what happened right after Lee won that State Title? They go right back to what they were before 04.

And honestly...you're bragging a 2-3 record. I'm not even going to go there on that one.

You can brag about not losing in the first round all you want...but you also missed the playoffs four of those years. 3, 3 win seasons at that. If you wanted to combine the last 3 win seasons Longview has had, you would have to go all the way back to 1963 to get the 3rd. You accomplished that goal just in the 90s.

the years where longview didnt get mo0re than 10 wins, they got less than 10, so you can kill that crap.

..................I see the Tyler ISD has taught you well. You can count!! Longview has had a 10 win season in 4 of the past 5 seasons...and the one we weren't able to get 10 in, we won 9. 56 wins for Longview in those 5 years...compared to 37 for Lee.

Sure we don't have the State Title yet. But if you want to continue to hang onto 2004, be my guest. Last season is last season. We weren't suppose to win last year and we didn't. We got beat by the best team in all of Texas and I have no shame in that. Our entire team is coming back and undoubtedly will knock Lee silly like they have done the past 6 times we've faced. And then again, you will go missing like you did last year, and the year before that, and the year before that.

[LP-79]

BigRed I just looked up some historical stats for you.

TYLER LEE
Undefeated seasons - 0
winless seasons - 2
Playoff record - 20-14-0

JOHN TYLER
undefeated seasons - 7
winless seasons - 0
Playoff record - 38-22-3

LONGVIEW
undefeated seasons - 10
winless seasons - 2 ( 1920 & 1921 )
playoff record - 39-32-1

Lufkin
undefeated seasons - 8
winless seasons - 0
playoff record - 41-28 - 0

not that it means anything but I just looked it up. If you want I can look up and break it down into District championships, and what round of playoffs each team got to.Tyler Lee has been to quarter finals 2 times, semi finals 1 time and 1 State championship.

[Rapture]

And what happened right after Lee won that State Title? They go right back to what they were before 04.

And honestly...you're bragging a 2-3 record. I'm not even going to go there on that one.

You can brag about not losing in the first round all you want...but you also missed the playoffs four of those years. 3, 3 win seasons at that. If you wanted to combine the last 3 win seasons Longview has had, you would have to go all the way back to 1963 to get the 3rd. You accomplished that goal just in the 90s.



..................I see the Tyler ISD has taught you well. You can count!! Longview has had a 10 win season in 4 of the past 5 seasons...and the one we weren't able to get 10 in, we won 9. 56 wins for Longview in those 5 years...compared to 37 for Lee.

Sure we don't have the State Title yet. But if you want to continue to hang onto 2004, be my guest. Last season is last season. We weren't suppose to win last year and we didn't. We got beat by the best team in all of Texas and I have no shame in that. Our entire team is coming back and undoubtedly will knock Lee silly like they have done the past 6 times we've faced. And then again, you will go missing like you did last year, and the year before that, and the year before that.that was a mis type vs #1 teams i meant to say 2-1 vs #1 teams.u a fool to say that 4a team that whooped yall was the best in all of texas. they wouldnt of beat allen!! yall just didnt have no defense almost every playoff game yall had you gave up 30+. just because they blowed yall out and allen beat you by 14 does not add up to that team beatin allen:rolleyes:. allen was the best team in all of texas last season. they whooped the #1 in 5a. were yall #1 in 4a ? no!!!!! you wasn't even 2 or 3:o and probobly wasnt 4 or 5

[Rapture]

BigRed I just looked up some historical stats for you.

TYLER LEE
Undefeated seasons - 0
winless seasons - 2
Playoff record - 20-14-0

JOHN TYLER
undefeated seasons - 7
winless seasons - 0
Playoff record - 38-22-3

LONGVIEW
undefeated seasons - 10
winless seasons - 2 ( 1920 & 1921 )
playoff record - 39-32-1

Lufkin
undefeated seasons - 8
winless seasons - 0
playoff record - 41-28 - 0

not that it means anything but I just looked it up. If you want I can look up and break it down into District championships, and what round of playoffs each team got to.Tyler Lee has been to quarter finals 2 times, semi finals 1 time and 1 State championship.
actually lee has played in the semi-finals 2 times and won one of them. have to be correct there 79;)

[LoboFan07]

that was a mis type vs #1 teams i meant to say 2-1 vs #1 teams.u a fool to say that 4a team that whooped yall was the best in all of texas. they wouldnt of beat allen!! yall just didnt have no defense almost every playoff game yall had you gave up 30+. just because they blowed yall out and allen beat you by 14 does not add up to that team beatin allen:rolleyes:. allen was the best team in all of texas last season. they whooped the #1 in 5a. were yall #1 in 4a ? no!!!!! you wasn't even 2 or 3:o and probobly wasnt 4 or 5

And where does that leave Lee.......you know....since we shut you out 21-0?

And I'm sure you never saw either Allen or Lake Travis all last season so why the heck should I listen to what you think?

I saw Allen on multiple occasions and still think LT would've beat them. And no...we weren't No. 1 in 4A. We weren't even suppose to be in the State Title game because of how young we were. But instead of using that as an excuse, as you used for the butt whoopin you took in 05 from us, we put that 21-7 loss behind us to start hte year and won 14 games in a row. Something Lee has only been able to dream of.

[LufkinPantherRules]

actually lee has played in the semi-finals 2 times and won one of them. have to be correct there 79;)

I'll be honest you show more homerism then any person i've ever seen. I understand routing for your team but I try to be realistic and Da da is good but he nothing compared to REGGIE that man would embarrass Da Da!!!

[LP-79]

actually lee has played in the semi-finals 2 times and won one of them. have to be correct there 79;)
I did not count the time they played in semifanals and won. The only way they could win a State championship is to win a semi game to get there. Of course I look at it like most people would:rolleyes:

[LoboFan07]

winless seasons - 2 ( 1920 & 1921 )

Also only played 9 games combined in those 2 seasons so it wasn't even a full season.

Tyler Lee has been to quarter finals 2 times, semi finals 1 time and 1 State championship.

Longview has 1 State Championship
2 State Finalists
2 State Semi Finalist
5 State Quarterfinalist
18 Bi-District Championships
31 District Championships
and 34 Playoff Appearances.

As I said earlier...Lee had 6 seasons or so that they were consistently good. After they got that one state title, they haven't been the same.

[Aggies2009]

oh so nothing has changed huh ? how about that lee has won a state title while longview hasnt? what about the fact that lee beat longview 5 tmes in a row from 98-2003 ? what about the fact that lee is 2-1 against ranked #1 teams ? what about the fact that lee has not lost in the first round since 1993 ? can you say the same for longview on all of that ? no!!!! the years where longview didnt get mo0re than 10 wins, they got less than 10, so you can kill that crap. longview is no better than they have been shoot 5a and cant win a 4a state title and they sopose to be the best! lmao!!!! ok i'll let u tell it:rolleyes: go lobos!!:o does that make you feel better:confused:

Lee won a state title due to having a cupcake playoff road. Had you had to play Lufkin, SLC, Smithson Valley as was in the way of Longview, you'd still be as irrelevant as always. Not to mention that in 2004 Longview, you know, beat Lee. It's funny how in Lee's BEST year, they can't beat Longview.

And it was 98- the first half of 02. And since then, Longview is 7-1 against Lee.

Longview is not 5A, they are 4A. You keep calling us 5A, but the UIL (the governing body that makes a difference, not a whiney message board fan llike yourself) says we're 4A. Lake Travis was voted the #3 team in the nation behind only #2 in Allen. No 5A team would have won state in 4A unless they were Allen. Well, they might have won if they had the easy playoff road that Sulphur Springs had... But you know all about that from 04, huh?

[Aggies2009]

And where does that leave Lee.......you know....since we shut you out 21-0?

And I'm sure you never saw either Allen or Lake Travis all last season so why the heck should I listen to what you think?

I saw Allen on multiple occasions and still think LT would've beat them. And no...we weren't No. 1 in 4A. We weren't even suppose to be in the State Title game because of how young we were. But instead of using that as an excuse, as you used for the butt whoopin you took in 05 from us, we put that 21-7 loss behind us to start hte year and won 14 games in a row. Something Lee has only been able to dream of.

Hey, now. He says that Garland would have killed Longview, so that's how it is! Never mind the fact that they lost to Stony Point 38-6. That's right, the same Stony Point who couldn't get by Waco. He claims Stony Point was one of the best teams in the state. I guess it's too bad they couldn't beat a 4A team.

[Rapture]

I'll be honest you show more homerism then any person i've ever seen. I understand routing for your team but I try to be realistic and Da da is good but he nothing compared to REGGIE that man would embarrass Da Da!!!
thats the homer in you!! cant u tell. let someone who seen them play multiple games decide that minus reggies senior yr,cause dada has yet to start his

[E-Vol-ution]

McNeal was a beast before his senior year.....all of Texas can vouch for that.thats the homer in you!! cant u tell. let someone who seen them play multiple games decide that minus reggies senior yr,cause dada has yet to start his

[Rapture]

Lee won a state title due to having a cupcake playoff road. Had you had to play Lufkin, SLC, Smithson Valley as was in the way of Longview, you'd still be as irrelevant as always. Not to mention that in 2004 Longview, you know, beat Lee. It's funny how in Lee's BEST year, they can't beat Longview.

And it was 98- the first half of 02. And since then, Longview is 7-1 against Lee.

Longview is not 5A, they are 4A. You keep calling us 5A, but the UIL (the governing body that makes a difference, not a whiney message board fan llike yourself) says we're 4A. Lake Travis was voted the #3 team in the nation behind only #2 in Allen. No 5A team would have won state in 4A unless they were Allen. Well, they might have won if they had the easy playoff road that Sulphur Springs had... But you know all about that from 04, huh?
awh!! give sulpher springs their do!!! they didnt have a easy road they were just a better team than they were during the regular season! stop being jelous cause they won state and you didnt! yall wouldnt of beatin them in the playoffs, hell cause you couldnt stop nobody and they had the best offese in 4a probobly. and lee did beat longview in o3. get yo lies straight man come on! i dodnt care what longview is on paper. they had 5a numbers last yr and still have it this yr. yall are 5a in 4a.just called 4a, because u r in 4a:rolleyes:. plus it dont matter who lee lost to in the regular season of 04. who beat them in they playoffs? nobody!!!!! lake travis wouldnt of made it to the 3rd round in 5a last season and longview wouldt have made it past the second

[Aggies2009]

awh!! give sulpher springs their do!!! they didnt have a easy road they were just a better team than they were during the regular season! stop being jelous cause they won state and you didnt! yall wouldnt of beatin them in the playoffs, hell cause you couldnt stop nobody and they had the best offese in 4a probobly.

Uh, they didn't have to play Carter, Midway, Guyer, or Lake Travis. THeir toughest opponent was Everman (who was good, I'll say that). But if they played the #3 team in the nation in Lake Travis, they'd have lost. Hell, I think Midway would have beaten them. I'm not jealous of SS in the least. We slaughtered them in the regular season (although to you a 21-0 victory is a very close game, so you might think we squeaked by them in the regular season). I love how you throw out claims that you can't back up at all. We wouldn't have beaten them in the playoffs? I have the fact that we had already beaten them to lean on. All you have is a biased opinion that means jack to anyone who matters here after you've made a fool of yourself over and over.

and lee did beat longview in o3. get yo lies straight man come on!

Show me where I said Lee didn't beat Longview in 03. You said you had a 5 game winning streak from 1998-2003. But the winning streak was from 1998-2002. And since that 2002 loss, we've gone 7-1 against Lee, the only loss coming in 03.

i dodnt care what longview is on paper. they had 5a numbers last yr and still have it this yr. yall are 5a in 4a.just called 4a, because u r in 4a:rolleyes:.

Well, then I guess it's a good thing the UIL is what matters and not you!

plus it dont matter who lee lost to in the regular season of 04. who beat them in they playoffs? nobody!!!!!

We've been over this. Lee didn't have to play anyone worth a damn in the playoffs that year. Had they been in Division II with Lufkin, SLC, Denton Ryan, Katy, Smithson Valley, Abilene, and Longview, they wouldn't have made it anywhere. Heck, they had already lost to Longview and Lufkin in the yearr before! But according to you, teams can just all of a sudden magically beat a team in the playoffs who had embarrassed them in the regular season just because.

lake travis wouldnt of made it to the 3rd round in 5a last season and longview wouldt have made it past the second

That's funny. Paid professional writers had them as the #2 team in the state. I guess that's why they get paid to do it and you don't. ANd LOL @ thinking Longview wouldn't have made it past the second round. We beat Lee 21-0. Garland barely squeaked by 13-10 (and it took Lee missing a FG if I remember correctly). Here again, you make these wild and foolish claims based on NOTHING.

[LufkinPantherRules]

thats the homer in you!! cant u tell. let someone who seen them play multiple games decide that minus reggies senior yr,cause dada has yet to start his

Ok whatever Da Da would be the dirt on Reggies shoes or his water boy Reggie could run all over field and dominate

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

LOL! The way y'all go at it in East Texas, y'all remind me of the Ennis and Corsicana fans. LMAO!

And Rapture, Dada is NOT better than Reggie! Word od advice bro, you saw what cocaine did to Rick James, right?

[E-Vol-ution]

lol......make that Ennis, Corsicana and Waxahachie.......no love between those dudes......LOL! The way y'all go at it in East Texas, y'all remind me of the Ennis and Corsicana fans. LMAO!

And Rapture, Dada is NOT better than Reggie! Word od advice bro, you saw what cocaine did to Rick James, right?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Ok whatever Da Da would be the dirt on Reggies shoes or his water boy Reggie could run all over field and dominate
Reggie is one of the coldest dudes to ever put on some pads. They didn't call him "Real Deal" for nothing.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

lol......make that Ennis, Corsicana and Waxahachie.......no love between those dudes......
I forgot all about the fans in 'Hachie! Talk about die-hard!

[Aggies2009]

LOL! The way y'all go at it in East Texas, y'all remind me of the Ennis and Corsicana fans. LMAO!

And Rapture, Dada is NOT better than Reggie! Word od advice bro, you saw what cocaine did to Rick James, right?


Haha, this guy is just an idiot homer. You should see when we go at it with Lufkin during the games. Or Marshall. Oooo, boy. We always take their street signs and whatnot, and they've spray-painted on our field, stomped the bushes that spell out "LOBOS", and hung a dead wolf from a power line on campus once.

[LoboFan07]

thats the homer in you!!

lolololololol @ bigred&cujo calling someone a homer.

[Rapture]

Ok whatever Da Da would be the dirt on Reggies shoes or his water boy Reggie could run all over field and dominate
reggie would want dada's autographed shoes after this season !! :notworthy reggies was a qb dog not a RB. he had good speed and was a good runner , but was a qb running when defenses are running away already. he does not have the skillz and moves a dada has. if dada played QB, it would be reggies X3

[E-Vol-ution]

Dang Bro.....you are a homer..lol!
reggie would want dada's autographed shoes after this season !! :notworthy reggies was a qb dog not a RB. he had good speed and was a good runner , but was a qb running when defenses are running away already. he does not have the skillz and moves a dada has. if dada played QB, it would be reggies X3

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Haha, this guy is just an idiot homer. You should see when we go at it with Lufkin during the games. Or Marshall. Oooo, boy. We always take their street signs and whatnot, and they've spray-painted on our field, stomped the bushes that spell out "LOBOS", and hung a dead wolf from a power line on campus once.

Wow!:notworthy That's insane!

My girlfriend's rivals in high school were the Vernon Lions. She said that after a volleyball game, A VOLLEYBALL GAME, that they got on the bus, and there was a deer's head on the bus. It still had the brains and whatever else dripping out of it.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

reggie would want dada's autographed shoes after this season !! :notworthy reggies was a qb dog not a RB. he had good speed and was a good runner , but was a qb running when defenses are running away already. he does not have the skillz and moves a dada has. if dada played QB, it would be reggies X3

LOL! Now, I have to be real right quick! Are you serious or, are you just trying to ruffle some feathers?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Dang Bro.....you are a homer..lol!

You mean to tell me that, you're just now figuring that out?

[E-Vol-ution]

LMAO.......I mean we all are but, man.....that last one blew me away!:notworthyYou mean to tell me that, you're just now figuring that out?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

LMAO.......I mean we all are but, man.....that last one blew me away!:notworthy

And, that's why Rapture is one of those guys that are actually good for the board. Just when you think that he can't surprise you anymore than he already has, he hits you across your head with something like his last post.

[Wypirates03]

All 4 major ET teams go 0-10 this season.

[LP-79]

And, that's why Rapture is one of those guys that are actually good for the board. Just when you think that he can't surprise you anymore than he already has, he hits you across your head with something like his last post.


I just wish he would hang around after Tyler Lee loses 3 or 4 games. When that happens he is outta here. I don't understand that. I root for LP whatever their record. I may gripe about it but I still root for them.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I just wish he would hang around after Tyler Lee loses 3 or 4 games. When that happens he is outta here. I don't understand that. I root for LP whatever their record. I may gripe about it but I still root for them.

True die hard fan! I respect that!:notworthy

Rapture will probably be wearing all blue during this season. I'm not sure what Lee will have, besides Dada and the 2 guys that have commited to TCU off of their defense. John Tyler, on the other hand, will push some teams hard this year.

[Aggies2009]

All 4 major ET teams go 0-10 this season.

If all their players get cheapshotted like Wylie did in the state championship, I can see it happening. :rolleyes:

[Rapture]

LOL! Now, I have to be real right quick! Are you serious or, are you just trying to ruffle some feathers?
a little of both;) but lufkin and longview are my bro's though. i still gotta tellem like it is:eek:

[LoboFan07]

I just wish he would hang around after Tyler Lee loses 3 or 4 games. When that happens he is outta here. I don't understand that. I root for LP whatever their record. I may gripe about it but I still root for them.

Yep. Every single year he's out of here after the first couple of non-district games.

I want to say I don't understand it...but I do. Because it's him. Instead of confessing that he's a homer (yes he has denied it in the past), he has absolutely no logical comebacks what so ever.

[Rapture]

All 4 major ET teams go 0-10 this season.
brang yo team down i bet we be 4-6 after that

[LoboFan07]

brang yo team down i bet we want be 4-6

Someone translate this for me please.

[Wypirates03]

brang yo team down i bet we want be 4-6

Hehe... ok, yeah... after that attempt at grammar, I hope all ET teams go 0-20 over the next 2 seasons.

[Rapture]

I just wish he would hang around after Tyler Lee loses 3 or 4 games. When that happens he is outta here. I don't understand that. I root for LP whatever their record. I may gripe about it but I still root for them.
i never ran! i always stayed on here. just went away from the board a couple weeks cause of a frustrating loss but after a lil time im kool to hear yalls crap:p:rolleyes:;)

[Wypirates03]

Someone translate this for me please.

I think it says "If your team comes to ET, we're guaranteed 4 wins out of 10."

[Rapture]

Yep. Every single year he's out of here after the first couple of non-district games.

I want to say I don't understand it...but I do. Because it's him. Instead of confessing that he's a homer (yes he has denied it in the past), he has absolutely no logical comebacks what so ever.
man i never ran from this board. i back my predictions 100% unless something goes wrong. i have no reason to leave running from this board. after we beat longview to make them 0-2 to start the season, we will c if u r still around:cool:

[LoboFan07]

i back my predictions 100% unless something goes wrong.

Which has happened the past 4 years.

after we beat longview to make them 0-2 to start the season, we will c if u r still around:cool:

You said the same thing last season........you lost.....and weren't seen for a month.

[Rapture]

Hehe... ok, yeah... after that attempt at grammar, I hope all ET teams go 0-20 over the next 2 seasons.
i dont care what u want! wiley miley want be one of the teams that beats us

[Rapture]

Which has happened the past 4 years.



You said the same thing last season........you lost.....and weren't seen for a month.
man what ever

[LP-79]

Man i gotta go back and find the post I made about Rapture after last year. About Raptures rehab from the disapointment.

[99cujo]

True die hard fan! I respect that!:notworthy

Rapture will probably be wearing all blue during this season. I'm not sure what Lee will have, besides Dada and the 2 guys that have commited to TCU off of their defense. John Tyler, on the other hand, will push some teams hard this year.:(:mad::Censor: naw we do need him

[Rapture]

:(:mad::Censor: naw we do need him
i'll be there wether anybody like it or not . its all about thE big red & da cujo!! yea!!! the teams will have my back. i dont care what no retirement home excapee want. just jokin ,lol! but its all about BIG RED & CUJO HERE

[LP-79]

]i'll be there wether anybody like it or not . its all about thE big red & da cujo!! yea!!! the teams will have my back. i dont care what no retirement home excapee want. just jokin ,lol! but its all about BIG RED & CUJO HERE


LP LP LP baby

[ROD LEE]

All 4 major ET teams go 0-10 this season. Now that's a prognosis.
Hehe... ok, yeah... after that attempt at grammar, I hope all ET teams go 0-20 over the next 2 seasons. And, to top the first...

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

a little of both;) but lufkin and longview are my bro's though. i still gotta tellem like it is:eek:

Oh, I see!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

:(:mad::censor: Naw we don't need him

fify!:d

[99cujo]

fify!:dHe needs to stay Red & leave the Cujo out .........just stay Rapture. I'm the biggest homer on the board but I'm no fool Reggie made us and alot of other teams look bad --plus Lee.

[Rapture]

He needs to stay Red & leave the Cujo out .........just stay Rapture. I'm the biggest homer on the board but I'm no fool Reggie made us and alot of other teams look bad --plus Lee.
reggie never made lee look bad. lee always shut him down. he only beat lee once as the startin QB and that was his senior when they won state.they beat le 21-0 that yr. even then he was contained, but he got off a bomb for a td and a flea flick pass back to him that he caught for a TD. he was good ,but he never could really play well vs owens. mike owens always had the defense for him. owens was 2-1 vs reggie. OH AND WTHER U LIKE IT OR NOT 99, IM GONNA STAY TASTYAND BIG RED & A HINT OF CUJO!! LMAO!! CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUJOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Aggies2009]

reggie never made lee look bad. lee always shut him down. he only beat lee once as the startin QB and that was his senior when they won state.they beat le 21-0 that yr. even then he was contained, but he got off a bomb for a td and a flea flick pass back to him that he caught for a TD. he was good ,but he never could really play well vs owens. mike owens always had the defense for him. owens was 2-1 vs reggie. OH AND WTHER U LIKE IT OR NOT 99, IM GONNA STAY TASTYAND BIG RED & A HINT OF CUJO!! LMAO!! CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUJOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Owens is also 0-5 against King LMAO!

[Rapture]

Owens is also 0-5 against King LMAO!
king is 0-1 in the state championship with a 5a team in 4a:D:D:D:D

[Rapture]

Owens is also 0-5 against King LMAO!
king ihas never beatin a ranked #1 team nor has ever won at abe!!:D:D:D:D lmao!!!!!!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

He needs to stay Red & leave the Cujo out .........just stay Rapture. I'm the biggest homer on the board but I'm no fool Reggie made us and alot of other teams look bad --plus Lee.

As I said before, they didn't call Reggie the "Real Deal" for nothing.

[LoboFan07]

king is 0-1 in the state championship with a 5a team in 4a

You act like it's a bad thing to loss in your first state championship game. Again, you even said we weren't ranked. We weren't suppose to be there. Yet we were.

Your coach has still never beaten King. And there's been multiple times where King's coaching has won the game on its own.

king ihas never beatin a ranked #1 team nor has ever won at abe!! lmao!!!!!!

Maybe not a Texas #1 sure...but he's beaten multiple Louisiana #1 teams (West Monroe, Evangel in their glory, John Curtis).

And he'll get the chance to win at Abe this season. He's only been there twice.

what about the fact that lee has not lost in the first round since 1993

I went back and looked at what Tyler Lee has done since Owens got there...and well. You must have a short term memory or something..because Lee lost to Skyline in the first round in 2007 to finish that awesome season 5-6.

And really...you're going to compare Owens to King?

Owens has been at Tyler Lee since 1996 (13 seasons).
King who has been at Longview since 2004 (5 seasons).

Owens has a playoff record of 17-10...and two seasons he didn't make the playoffs.
King has a playoff record of 12-5. He's made the playoffs all 5 seasons

Owens only has 3 district titles to his name since becoming head coach.
King has yet to lose a district ball game, much less not win a District title.

Owens has an overall record of 102-54 (.654 winning %).
King has an overall record of 56-10 (.848 winning %)....and that's include a forfeit loss that he actually blew out the team.

Owens has had only 4 seasons where he's recorded at least 10 wins...only one of those seasons had more than 10 itself.
King has had 4 seasons where he has recorded at least 10 wins...only one of those seasons was only 10 wins.

Owens has had 3 seasons that were below the .500 mark, including 2 of their last 4 seasons.
Kings has not had a season where he wasn't at least 6 games over the .500 mark.

The most losses Owens coached to in a single season...7
The most loses King coached to in a single season...3

The most points Owens' teams have scored in a single season was 542 points.
King set a record for his team this season with 613 points.

Owens' longest district winning streak...5 games.
King's longest district winning streak...28 games.

Owens' longest regular season winning streak...9 games.
King's longest district winning streak...22 games.

And the most important stat....head to head...
King has 5 wins over Lee since taking over.
Owens has 0 wins over Longview since King took over.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

You act like it's a bad thing to loss in your first state championship game. Again, you even said we weren't ranked. We weren't suppose to be there. Yet we were.

Your coach has still never beaten King. And there's been multiple times where King's coaching has won the game on its own.



Maybe not a Texas #1 sure...but he's beaten multiple Louisiana #1 teams (West Monroe, Evangel in their glory, John Curtis).

And he'll get the chance to win at Abe this season. He's only been there twice.



I went back and looked at what Tyler Lee has done since Owens got there...and well. You must have a short term memory or something..because Lee lost to Skyline in the first round in 2007 to finish that awesome season 5-6.

And really...you're going to compare Owens to King?

Owens has been at Tyler Lee since 1996 (13 seasons).
King who has been at Longview since 2004 (5 seasons).

Owens has a playoff record of 17-10...and two seasons he didn't make the playoffs.
King has a playoff record of 12-5. He's made the playoffs all 5 seasons

Owens only has 3 district titles to his name since becoming head coach.
King has yet to lose a district ball game, much less not win a District title.

Owens has an overall record of 102-54 (.654 winning %).
King has an overall record of 56-10 (.848 winning %)....and that's include a forfeit loss that he actually blew out the team.

Owens has had only 4 seasons where he's recorded at least 10 wins...only one of those seasons had more than 10 itself.
King has had 4 seasons where he has recorded at least 10 wins...only one of those seasons was only 10 wins.

Owens has had 3 seasons that were below the .500 mark, including 2 of their last 4 seasons.
Kings has not had a season where he wasn't at least 6 games over the .500 mark.

The most losses Owens coached to in a single season...7
The most loses King coached to in a single season...3

The most points Owens' teams have scored in a single season was 542 points.
King set a record for his team this season with 613 points.

Owens' longest district winning streak...5 games.
King's longest district winning streak...28 games.

Owens' longest regular season winning streak...9 games.
King's longest district winning streak...22 games.

And the most important stat....head to head...
King has 5 wins over Lee since taking over.
Owens has 0 wins over Longview since King took over.

Ouch!

[Rapture]

You act like it's a bad thing to loss in your first state championship game. Again, you even said we weren't ranked. We weren't suppose to be there. Yet we were.

Your coach has still never beaten King. And there's been multiple times where King's coaching has won the game on its own.



Maybe not a Texas #1 sure...but he's beaten multiple Louisiana #1 teams (West Monroe, Evangel in their glory, John Curtis).

And he'll get the chance to win at Abe this season. He's only been there twice.



I went back and looked at what Tyler Lee has done since Owens got there...and well. You must have a short term memory or something..because Lee lost to Skyline in the first round in 2007 to finish that awesome season 5-6.

And really...you're going to compare Owens to King?

Owens has been at Tyler Lee since 1996 (13 seasons).
King who has been at Longview since 2004 (5 seasons).

Owens has a playoff record of 17-10...and two seasons he didn't make the playoffs.
King has a playoff record of 12-5. He's made the playoffs all 5 seasons

Owens only has 3 district titles to his name since becoming head coach.
King has yet to lose a district ball game, much less not win a District title.

Owens has an overall record of 102-54 (.654 winning %).
King has an overall record of 56-10 (.848 winning %)....and that's include a forfeit loss that he actually blew out the team.

Owens has had only 4 seasons where he's recorded at least 10 wins...only one of those seasons had more than 10 itself.
King has had 4 seasons where he has recorded at least 10 wins...only one of those seasons was only 10 wins.

Owens has had 3 seasons that were below the .500 mark, including 2 of their last 4 seasons.
Kings has not had a season where he wasn't at least 6 games over the .500 mark.

The most losses Owens coached to in a single season...7
The most loses King coached to in a single season...3

The most points Owens' teams have scored in a single season was 542 points.
King set a record for his team this season with 613 points.

Owens' longest district winning streak...5 games.
King's longest district winning streak...28 games.

Owens' longest regular season winning streak...9 games.
King's longest district winning streak...22 games.

And the most important stat....head to head...
King has 5 wins over Lee since taking over.
Owens has 0 wins over Longview since King took over.
owens first season was a team that was at rock bottom and he brought them to the top. king was handed a good team. he aint earned nothin plus he couldnt beat lufkin until lufkin went down some notches. plus that record year in points u said yall had last year was against a weak district ad 4a district wioth yo 5a self. none of those teams had any defense.:confused::rolleyes: every 10 win+ season owens has had was higer or a better season than longview had that same year

[Aggies2009]

king is 0-1 in the state championship with a 5a team in 4a:D:D:D:D

You mean King is 0-1 against the #3 team in the nation with a 4A team? I mean, you keep calling us 5A but you can't get it through your head. THe UIL (the governing body and the ONLY ones who make a difference) say we're 4A. Deal with it and stop crying about it. 5A or 4A, we still humiliated you by shutting your offense out and blowing your prediction up in your face. King is also undefeated at home and undefeated in district.

And, of course, undefeated vs Tyler Lee and John Tyler....

[Aggies2009]

king ihas never beatin a ranked #1 team nor has ever won at abe!!:D:D:D:D lmao!!!!!!

He's played 2 games at Abe, once with the worst team of his tenure (against a nationally ranked team) and once in the first game for many of his starters. If he played as many games there as Owens did against down Lufkin teams, he'd have likely won a couple as well.

[Aggies2009]

owens first season was a team that was at rock bottom and he brought them to the top. king was handed a good team. he aint earned nothin plus he couldnt beat lufkin until lufkin went down some notches. plus that record year in points u said yall had last year was against a weak district ad 4a district wioth yo 5a self. none of those teams had any defense.:confused::rolleyes:

King was handed a team that went 7-4 the year before, lost 3 distrct games, lost their first playoff game, and barely beat JT. He was hardly handed a good team. In fact, I played on his first team (that was picked to finish 3rd in district by Dave Campbell). I mean, under Collins, the team had never won district and King hasn't lost a district game since then. If it were one or two years, I'd say okay. But it's been all 5 years he's coached that he's undefeated at home and undefeated in district. And again, UNDEFEATED vs LEE!!! That's all that matters. You can talk about how Lake Travis beat us, how we couldn't beat Lufkin, etc. But that only shows that you Lee fans have been pathetically reduced to living vicariously through other teams who CAN beat Longview (unlike Lee).

Sure, he's never beat a #1 team. He beat a #9 nationally ranked team in John Curtis. He also beat nationally ranked West Monroe (the only blemish on their record that year).

He only played Lufkin twice before the year we beat them. Here again, Owens didn't beat him in his first try either. Not to mention Lufkin didn't even rise to power until 2001.

[Aggies2009]

You act like it's a bad thing to loss in your first state championship game. Again, you even said we weren't ranked. We weren't suppose to be there. Yet we were.

Your coach has still never beaten King. And there's been multiple times where King's coaching has won the game on its own.



Maybe not a Texas #1 sure...but he's beaten multiple Louisiana #1 teams (West Monroe, Evangel in their glory, John Curtis).

And he'll get the chance to win at Abe this season. He's only been there twice.



I went back and looked at what Tyler Lee has done since Owens got there...and well. You must have a short term memory or something..because Lee lost to Skyline in the first round in 2007 to finish that awesome season 5-6.

And really...you're going to compare Owens to King?

Owens has been at Tyler Lee since 1996 (13 seasons).
King who has been at Longview since 2004 (5 seasons).

Owens has a playoff record of 17-10...and two seasons he didn't make the playoffs.
King has a playoff record of 12-5. He's made the playoffs all 5 seasons

Owens only has 3 district titles to his name since becoming head coach.
King has yet to lose a district ball game, much less not win a District title.

Owens has an overall record of 102-54 (.654 winning %).
King has an overall record of 56-10 (.848 winning %)....and that's include a forfeit loss that he actually blew out the team.

Owens has had only 4 seasons where he's recorded at least 10 wins...only one of those seasons had more than 10 itself.
King has had 4 seasons where he has recorded at least 10 wins...only one of those seasons was only 10 wins.

Owens has had 3 seasons that were below the .500 mark, including 2 of their last 4 seasons.
Kings has not had a season where he wasn't at least 6 games over the .500 mark.

The most losses Owens coached to in a single season...7
The most loses King coached to in a single season...3

The most points Owens' teams have scored in a single season was 542 points.
King set a record for his team this season with 613 points.

Owens' longest district winning streak...5 games.
King's longest district winning streak...28 games.

Owens' longest regular season winning streak...9 games.
King's longest district winning streak...22 games.

And the most important stat....head to head...
King has 5 wins over Lee since taking over.
Owens has 0 wins over Longview since King took over.

And that, my friends, is your ballgame. Rapture got demolished worse than Lee does vs Longview. :D

[ROD LEE]

You mean King is 0-1 against the #3 team in the nation with a 4A team? I mean, you keep calling us 5A but you can't get it through your head. THe UIL (the governing body and the ONLY ones who make a difference) say we're 4A. Deal with it and stop crying about it. 5A or 4A, we still humiliated you by shutting your offense out and blowing your prediction up in your face. King is also undefeated at home and undefeated in district.

And, of course, undefeated vs Tyler Lee and John Tyler....
John would like to be excluded from this dispute. Robert and John are of no relation.

[LoboFan07]

owens first season was a team that was at rock bottom and he brought them to the top. king was handed a good team. he aint earned nothin plus he couldnt beat lufkin until lufkin went down some notches. plus that record year in points u said yall had last year was against a weak district ad 4a district wioth yo 5a self. none of those teams had any defense.:confused::rolleyes:

Excuses. Excuses. Excuses.

King was "handed" a team that went 7-4 the year before..and hadn't won a District Championship in 7 years. He completely turned this program around (and I do mean him, not Collins...because King arrived here in 2000 with Collins and was one of the key reasons of turning the program around).

And yawn yawn yawn. King has played Lp 5 times, and beaten them twice.

The 2004 game was a tough game against 2 great teams. Both of those teams beat Lee.

The 2006 game was a complete wash. Lp was picked to win State that season and Longview had lost pretty much everyone from a stout team the season prior. Lufkin was suppose to win and they did. (O God I'm using excuses like br&c)

The first 2007 game is the only game I would question King's coaching when it comes against Lp...They blew the win. Plain and simple. But still...he made up for it 3 weeks later and knocked off Lufkin at home. O and just so you know...Lufkin was ranked 5th going into Lobo Stadium...and left with a loss as Longview ended their 36 game regular season and 26 game non-district winning streaks.

And the 2008 game, well that 3 OT game talks for itself.

And whatever. Tell yourself what you want about Owens and your Red Raiders. The fact is, Lee has done nothing since 2004...and in the program's entire history dating back to 1958...your team has only had 4 real year's of success.

Those 4 years are the ONLY years your program has ever gotten past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Longview has gone past the 2nd round 4 times this decade. It's taken your program 50 years to reach that.

[Aggies2009]

[/b]
John would like to be excluded from this dispute. Robert and John are of no relation.

Terribly sorry, brother. I respect JT.

[Rapture]

You mean King is 0-1 against the #3 team in the nation with a 4A team? I mean, you keep calling us 5A but you can't get it through your head. THe UIL (the governing body and the ONLY ones who make a difference) say we're 4A. Deal with it and stop crying about it. 5A or 4A, we still humiliated you by shutting your offense out and blowing your prediction up in your face. King is also undefeated at home and undefeated in district.

And, of course, undefeated vs Tyler Lee and John Tyler....
we shut yo offense down to. we had more total yards than yall. u just won by a down time lee offense you would have dare won later in the season. plus ofcourse the UIL has u 4a idiot because because yalls numbers was down long enough to let the deadline pass. then they came back up where they was .i dont care if you had 6a numbers there you still would have been 4a pass the deadline. that was the plan and thats yall way of finally trying to get a state title! but it still didnt happen. u dont have the coach to win a state in 5a. so you play against the lil boys and still get rumped. tat wasnt #3 in the state of texas. all that matters in that national poll is #1 and #2, the rest you cant even pay attention to. they are overated can be beatin buy many teams thats not ranked atb all in any topn 10 or 25 poll. you blbberin about king beatin lee. i dont care who beats lee, we won a title still. win something first then come back and brag about beatin lee and how good yo coach is. he cant even beat lufkin. he finally got a win this year at home against a not the same lufkin. king is not a great coach. he was givin a good team. he is not a coach that can make pebbles into steel like mike owens did. 3-7 first season, playoffs the next. diistrict title game the next and district title champs back to back the next couple years and a state title 4 years lalter. thats a great coach,. i dont care who he looses a regular season game to. lookat the accomplishments son!!!!

[Aggies2009]

Excuses. Excuses. Excuses.

King was "handed" a team that went 7-4 the year before..and hadn't won a District Championship in 7 years. He completely turned this program around (and I do mean him, not Collins...because King arrived here in 2000 with Collins and was one of the key reasons of turning the program around).

And yawn yawn yawn. King has played Lp 5 times, and beaten them twice.

The 2004 game was a tough game against 2 great teams. Both of those teams beat Lee.

The 2006 game was a complete wash. Lp was picked to win State that season and Longview had lost pretty much everyone from a stout team the season prior. Lufkin was suppose to win and they did. (O God I'm using excuses like br&c)

The first 2007 game is the only game I would question King's coaching when it comes against Lp...They blew the win. Plain and simple. But still...he made up for it 3 weeks later and knocked off Lufkin at home. O and just so you know...Lufkin was ranked 5th going into Lobo Stadium...and left with a loss as Longview ended their 36 game regular season and 26 game non-district winning streaks.

And the 2008 game, well that 3 OT game talks for itself.

And whatever. Tell yourself what you want about Owens and your Red Raiders. The fact is, Lee has done nothing since 2004...and in the program's entire history dating back to 1958...your team has only had 4 real year's of success.

Those 4 years are the ONLY years your program has ever gotten past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Longview has gone past the 2nd round 4 times this decade. It's taken your program 50 years to reach that.

:eek:

But I wouldn't put the first 2007 loss on King. I'd put it more on the lack of execution by the offense. A few weeks later when they needed to drive to run the clock out, they did, and got a FG out of it. In the first game, they couldn't muster a first down. Well, when they did, it was called back 2 consecutive plays for holding (both flags thrown AFTER the first down achieved, no less). I'd put the 06 Garland, 08 Allen, and first half of the 08 Lee game on him for getting out of the zone of what's working and trying to be fancy, but oh well. Oh, and the 08 Evangel "loss" because he didn't cross all of his t's and dot all of his i's. His big wins more than make up for those losses.

[Aggies2009]

we shut yo offense down to. we had hight total yards than yall. u just won by a down time lee offense you would have dare won later in the season. plus ofcourse the UIL has u 4a idiot because because yalls numbers was down long enough to let the deadline pass. then they came back up where they was .i dont care if you had 6a numbers there you still would have been 4a pass the deadline. that was the plan and thats yall way of finally trying to get a state title! but it still didnt happen. u dont have the coach to win a state in 5a. so you play against the lil boys and still get rumped. tat wasnt #3 in the state of texas. all that matters in that national poll is #1 and #2, the rest you cant even pay attention to. they are overated can be beatin buy many teams thats not ranked atb all in any topn 10 or 25 poll

Hey, moron. Before you go accusing our coaching staff and athletic department of intentionally trying to avoid the cutoff for 5A so that we could "finally win state", you should do a little research. Longview petitioned to play up. PLEASE know what you're talking about in the future before embarrassing yourself worse than Lee does every year, K?

And no matter what our numbers, we still humiliated Lee. We may have lost later in the season, Lee may have been a better team, but all of that is hypothetical. Facts are facts, and the fact is that Longview beat Lee for the 6th consecutive time.

And no, LT wasn't #3 in the state; they were #2 according to USAToday (only behind Allen who I'd say isn't much better). And if you think that #1 and #2 are invincible, Allen lost to Trinity 24-14 early on in the year.

[Rapture]

He's played 2 games at Abe, once with the worst team of his tenure (against a nationally ranked team) and once in the first game for many of his starters. If he played as many games there as Owens did against down Lufkin teams, he'd have likely won a couple as well.
you a fool !!!! owens has never played a down lufkin team!! you can kill that crap son!!!!! lufkin always have been the favorites vs lee. lee beat them when lufkin was#1 twice. plus lee beat a #1 and #6 lufkin in 2002. get yo facts straight and stop coming on here with lies to fool other posters. east texans knows better, but not these other posters. you need to cut that crap!!!!:mad:

[Aggies2009]

i dont care who beats lee, we won a title still.
You beat a cupcake schedule in the playoffs. Congrats. We still beat you that year (in Lee's best year, Longview is still better LOL!). And now you have the same amount of state titles that we do.
win something first then come back and brag about beatin lee and how good yo coach is.
We've won a state title. Thanks for asking, though.
he cant even beat lufkin.
He's 2-3 vs Lufkin. Good try, though. Isn't that a better percentage than Owens has vs LP? LOL! Owens can't beat LP OR King. All he can do is beat a cupcake playoff schedule. How sad.
he finally got a win this year at home against a not the same lufkin.
Uh, he's only played Lufkin 5 times. And he won two of them (which should have been 3).
king is not a great coach. he was givin a good team.
He was given a 7-4 team that had to replace all but 4 of the starters. Do you ever get tired of making statements that are completely untrue? Not to mention: Even IF he was handed a good team, that team didn't hang around for 5 years. Some of it has to do with him, you know, COACHING.
he is not a coach that can make pebbles into steel like mike owens did.
Oh, so I guess going from 7-4 to 12-1 with a district title and undefeated regular season isn't a turnaround, huh?
3-7 first season, playoffs the next. diistrict title game the next and district title champs back to back the next couple years and a state title 4 years lalter.
And since then what has he done? He's had losing seasons, missed the playoffs, been humiliated, only split district (and only because Longview left).
thats a great coach,.
Man, I'm glad we don't have a "great coach", then. You know, one that misses the playoffs, can't beat the other coach we're talking about, has many losing seasons, etc.
i dont care who he looses a regular season game to. lookat the accomplishments son!!!!
LoboFan07 already listed the accomplishments of the two and completely demolished whatever point you're trying to make.

[Aggies2009]

you a fool !!!! owens has never played a down lufkin team!!

That's funny. Didn't Lee play Lufkin this season? I mean, YOU said Lufkin was down this year when we beat them. And now you're saying he's never played a down Lufkin team? Which is it?

you can kill that crap son!!!!! lufkin always have been the favorites vs lee. lee beat them when lufkin was#1 twice. plus lee beat a #1 and #6 lufkin in 2002. get yo facts straight and stoop coming on here with lies to fool other posters. east texans knows better, but not these other posters. you need to cut that crap!!!!:mad:

Lufkin's always been the favorites vs Longview as well under King... Ask ANY East Texan on this forum or others who a better coach/team is and they'll all tell you Longview.

[Rapture]

King was handed a team that went 7-4 the year before, lost 3 distrct games, lost their first playoff game, and barely beat JT. He was hardly handed a good team. In fact, I played on his first team (that was picked to finish 3rd in district by Dave Campbell). I mean, under Collins, the team had never won district and King hasn't lost a district game since then. If it were one or two years, I'd say okay. But it's been all 5 years he's coached that he's undefeated at home and undefeated in district. And again, UNDEFEATED vs LEE!!! That's all that matters. You can talk about how Lake Travis beat us, how we couldn't beat Lufkin, etc. But that only shows that you Lee fans have been pathetically reduced to living vicariously through other teams who CAN beat Longview (unlike Lee).

Sure, he's never beat a #1 team. He beat a #9 nationally ranked team in John Curtis. He also beat nationally ranked West Monroe (the only blemish on their record that year). fool collins played during the round robin years.plus lufkin was in the same district !, king aint had that type trouble. plus the year you u lost in the first round that you are referring to, yo top players flunked out and couldnt play that game:rolleyes: whoo!!! lies lies lies and misinterpretations by this dood!!!! who!!! plus king lost inthe first round in 05!!!!! man shut up!!! ok?!!! please , you do not have any arguments. everything you have said does not help king and more and can be argued and are just stupid stuff in which king hasnt fared any better.
fool lufkin was highly respected in 98,well before 2001!! man shut up. all you are is a nerve wrecker!!!! you dont know crap about what you are talking about. owens beat lufkin 3 times before lufki won state. no disrespect to lufkin just arguing yo stupidity!!!! if you call those teams doewn lufkin teams, then lee was down to. lee was always underdog to lufkin

[Rapture]

Excuses. Excuses. Excuses.

King was "handed" a team that went 7-4 the year before..and hadn't won a District Championship in 7 years. He completely turned this program around (and I do mean him, not Collins...because King arrived here in 2000 with Collins and was one of the key reasons of turning the program around).

And yawn yawn yawn. King has played Lp 5 times, and beaten them twice.

The 2004 game was a tough game against 2 great teams. Both of those teams beat Lee.

The 2006 game was a complete wash. Lp was picked to win State that season and Longview had lost pretty much everyone from a stout team the season prior. Lufkin was suppose to win and they did. (O God I'm using excuses like br&c)

The first 2007 game is the only game I would question King's coaching when it comes against Lp...They blew the win. Plain and simple. But still...he made up for it 3 weeks later and knocked off Lufkin at home. O and just so you know...Lufkin was ranked 5th going into Lobo Stadium...and left with a loss as Longview ended their 36 game regular season and 26 game non-district winning streaks.

And the 2008 game, well that 3 OT game talks for itself.

And whatever. Tell yourself what you want about Owens and your Red Raiders. The fact is, Lee has done nothing since 2004...and in the program's entire history dating back to 1958...your team has only had 4 real year's of success.

Those 4 years are the ONLY years your program has ever gotten past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Longview has gone past the 2nd round 4 times this decade. It's taken your program 50 years to reach that.
whine whine whine!!! where is yo 5a state title?? huh? why yo doing loops to win a state title. king just wants to make the fans happy. he knows he can never win in 5a or 4a looks like. he swindled to get you there and blew it!!! LMAO!!!!!!!

[Aggies2009]

fool collins played during the round robin years.plus lufkin was in the same district !,
Yeah, for two years. He also wasn't anywhere close in 00 or 01...
king aint had that type trouble.
He's played Lufkin twice in a yearh, though.
plus the year you u lost in the first round that you are referring to, yo top players flunked out and couldnt play that game whoo!!! lies lies lies and misinterpretations by this dood!!!! who!!!
Where did I say that didn't happen? Part of being a good coach is keeping players eligible...

plus king lost inthe first round in 05!!!!! man shut up!!! ok?!!! please , you do not have any arguments.

And Owens didn't even make the playoffs that year. LOL
everything you have said does not help king and more and can be argued and are just stupid stuff in which king hasnt fared any better.
fool lufkin was highly respected in 98,well before 2001!! man shut up. all you are is a nerve wrecker!!!! you know crap about what you are talking about. owens beat lufkin 3 times before lufki won state. no disrespect to lufkin just arguing yo stupidity!!!! if you call those teams doewn lufkin teams, then lee was down to. lee was always underdog to lufkin
Those Lufkin teams aren't the same ones that made it to at least the semis 3 of 4 years in a row. They were decent, yes, but not the powers they were. We beat them in the middle of their 36-game regular-season winning streak.

[Aggies2009]

whine whine whine!!! where is yo 5a state title?? huh? why yo doing loops to win a state title. king just wants to make the fans happy. he knows he can never win in 5a or 4a looks like. he swindled to get you there and blew it!!! LMAO!!!!!!!

Hey, *******. I told you before. We petitioned to play up. It helps to know what you're talking about before coming on here and making yourself look like an idiot, just FYI.

Either way, we own Lee (who has the same amount of state titles).

[Rapture]

Hey, moron. Before you go accusing our coaching staff and athletic department of intentionally trying to avoid the cutoff for 5A so that we could "finally win state", you should do a little research. Longview petitioned to play up. PLEASE know what you're talking about in the future before embarrassing yourself worse than Lee does every year, K?

And no matter what our numbers, we still humiliated Lee. We may have lost later in the season, Lee may have been a better team, but all of that is hypothetical. Facts are facts, and the fact is that Longview beat Lee for the 6th consecutive time.

And no, LT wasn't #3 in the state; they were #2 according to USAToday (only behind Allen who I'd say isn't much better). And if you think that #1 and #2 are invincible, Allen lost to Trinity 24-14 early on in the year.
he knew he wasnt gonna win that patition!! he did it just to make it look like he tried to get back!!! LMAO!!!!!! shut up man !!! try to win with the kiddies and get embarrassed again!!!

[Aggies2009]

he knew he wasnt gonna win that patition!! he did it just to make it look like he tried to get back!!! LMAO!!!!!! shut up man !!! try to win with the kiddies and get embarrassed again!!!

Oh, so now you're into mind-reading? You knew what Coach King was thinking? QUite the conspiracy theorist. Either way, once again, we beat Lee. You dig yourself deeper with every post.

[Rapture]

Hey, *******. I told you before. We petitioned to play up. It helps to know what you're talking about before coming on here and making yourself look like an idiot, just FYI.

Either way, we own Lee (who has the same amount of state titles).
look man lol!! im not tryin to make you upset, i like longview , yall are my east texas brothers. but you have to know that i will battle word for word when it comes to my big red;) good luck this season!!! on the real. excuse some of my typing, i type so fast and dont read it b4 i post

[Aggies2009]

look man lol!! im not tryin to make you upset, i like longview , yall are my east texas brothers. but you have to knaow that i will battle word for word when it comes to my big red;) good luck this season!!! on the real

You too. I do hope you guys beat Lufkin. :D

[GameTyme]

You too. I do hope you guys beat Lufkin. :D


No Lufkin is taken back east texas from lil brother :D let me make it

BTW just got back from Round Rock and man what a game I know its baseball but man.DeJesus is a special player ended it with a no doubter and hopefully he can get the win on the mound tomarrow. Congrats to the Pack just one more win. The game will be televised on FSN at noon.

[LPack007]

That's funny. Didn't Lee play Lufkin this season? I mean, YOU said Lufkin was down this year when we beat them. And now you're saying he's never played a down Lufkin team? Which is it?



Lufkin's always been the favorites vs Longview as well under King... Ask ANY East Texan on this forum or others who a better coach/team is and they'll all tell you Longview.

Longview was the favorite last season at home vs Lufkin.

[Rapture]

[/b]
John would like to be excluded from this dispute. Robert and John are of no relation.
robert and john are related bigtime these days now. i like both some others like both now. probobly not as much as i do but some do. i mean one or the other is their favorite but pull for the other to. many want the two schools to combine. you know what that would mean if that was to happen. one thing is tyler would have a power house every year. one thing is that i havnt heard anyone metion yet, but will bound to happen if the 2 combined is that the other tyler school that dont get much publicity at the moment chapell hill will get better. also whitehouse would become a 5a proboblyand tat would definatley bring back lufkin. reason those teams would get better is combining the 2 big tyler schools . that would have alot of talented players searching for more playing time to other schools. they had a segment on that on smoaky's show a couple weeks ago

[Aggies2009]

Longview was the favorite last season at home vs Lufkin.

According to who? We were 1-1 and you were 2-0... The poll on here had more people thinking Lufkin would win. I know it'll make you feel better to think, "Hey, we were favored to lose", but that ain't true. In fact, I remember reading a Lufkin newspaper where all of the columnists predicted LP wins...

[99cujo]

[/B]
John would like to be excluded from this dispute. Robert and John are of no relation.None what-so-ever

[99cujo]

robert and john are related bigtime these days now. i like both some others like both now. probobly not as much as i do but some do. i mean one or the other is their favorite but pull for the other to. many want two schools to combine. you know what that would mean if that was to happen. one thing is tyler would have a power house every year. one thing is that i havnt heard anyone metion yet, but will bound to happen if the 2 combined is that the other tyler school that dont get much publicity at the moment chapell hill will get better. also whitehouse would become a 5a proboblyand tat would definatley bring back lufkin. reason those teams would get better is combining the 2 big tyler schools . that would have alot of talented players searching for more playing time to other schools. they had a segment on that on smoky's show a couple weeks agoNo we are not....... who? not me or our side of town ---if both teams combine I will pull for C-hill

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

robert and john are related bigtime these days now.

Okay now, I didn't go to school at JT or Robert E. Lee. BUT, I know folks who went to school at JT that attend my church and, they absolutely can't stand Robert E. Lee. I doubt that they'd say what you just said. That's hilarious!

[99cujo]

Okay now, I didn't go to school at JT or Robert E. Lee. BUT, I know folks who went to school at JT that attend my church and, they absolutely can't stand Robert E. Lee. I doubt that they'd say what you just said. That's hilarious!Dang I thought that I was the only one that cannot stand 'em.

[ROD LEE]

robert and john are related bigtime these days now. i like both some others like both now. probobly not as much as i do but some do. i mean one or the other is their favorite but pull for the other to. many want two schools to combine. you know what that would mean if that was to happen. one thing is tyler would have a power house every year. one thing is that i havnt heard anyone metion yet, but will bound to happen if the 2 combined is that the other tyler school that dont get much publicity at the moment chapell hill will get better. also whitehouse would become a 5a proboblyand tat would definatley bring back lufkin. reason those teams would get better is combining the 2 big tyler schools . that would have alot of talented players searching for more playing time to other schools. they had a segment on that on smoky's show a couple weeks ago Those, you say, that are hoping the two schools combine are chasing a pipe dream. Before Tyler combines they'll build a new school which will push the enrollment at Whitehouse and Bullard. Lee will become JT and JT will become Emmitt J. Scott. And for the record, I bleed Blue and White so if JT goes I'll root for Lindale.

[Rapture]

No we are not....... who? not me or our side of town ---if both teams combine I will pull for C-hill
go to chapel hill then. and yes on yo side of town. big red & cujo reside there to

[Rapture]

Okay now, I didn't go to school at JT or Robert E. Lee. BUT, I know folks who went to school at JT that attend my church and, they absolutely can't stand Robert E. Lee. I doubt that they'd say what you just said. That's hilarious!
well tyler's population is alot bigger than yo church, no disrespect & yes they have said that

[Rapture]

Those, you say, that are hoping the two schools combine are chasing a pipe dream. Before Tyler combines they'll build a new school which will push the enrollment at Whitehouse and Bullard. Lee will become JT and JT will become Emmitt J. Scott. And for the record, I bleed Blue and White so if JT goes I'll root for Lindale.
i doubt it!!!! and i bet if they got rid of lee and jt and put them together and called them tyler whatever , you would still be there and so would 99

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

well tyler's population is alot bigger than yo church, no disrespect & yes they have said that

Good point about the population. LOL!

If they did combine, then that would be scary. But, isn't Tyler a growing city?

[RockinL]

I think Allen, Lufkin, Lee and Texas High all have a good chance at winning their matchups with the Lobos. Just my opinion.

Theres a win-win statement

[Rapture]

Good point about the population. LOL!

If they did combine, then that would be scary. But, isn't Tyler a growing city?
yes, seems like its gettin bigger every year. plus they are steady addin apartment homes

[ROD LEE]

Good point about the population. LOL!

If they did combine, then that would be scary. But, isn't Tyler a growing city? Tyler is a growing city and the growth isn't headed North.

[Rapture]

[/b] Tyler is a growing city and the growth isn't headed North.
tru,building everything over in the south

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

yes, seems like its gettin bigger every year. plus they are steady addin apartment homes

Okay! So, you don't think that the Tyler ISD would build another high school before they combined JT and Robert E. Lee?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

[/B] Tyler is a growing city and the growth isn't headed North.

Is there a chance for another high school in the Tyler ISD?

[ROD LEE]

i doubt it!!!! and i bet if they got rid of lee and jt and put them together and called them tyler whatever , you would still be there and so would 99 With one child graduated and my last one working on graduating from JT, I seriously doubt I would tie myself to a combination school. I'll admit, IF they made it to state I'd go.

[ROD LEE]

tru,building everything over in the south So what sense does it make to build a school that feeds from the North when the bulk of the growth is South?

[ROD LEE]

Is there a chance for another high school in the Tyler ISD? I'd say there's a greater chance of new than a combination.

[Rapture]

Okay! So, you don't think that the Tyler ISD would build another high school before they combined JT and Robert E. Lee?
oh yes i think they would have to build anouther school if that was to happen. To many students. this not anything in the works, but a topic that was discussed on the local sports radio station

[LoboFan07]

i dont care who he looses a regular season game to. lookat the accomplishments son!!!!

No wonder you guys haven't done crap since 2004. You're so content with that damn State Championship from 5 years ago, that you could care less what happens in the present.

The fact is, Lee has been nothing since 2004. Nothing. On the other hand, Lufkin and Longview have both been back to the State Quarterfinals...with Longview going there multiple times.

oh yes i think they would have to build anouther school if that was to happen. To many students. this not anything in the works, but a topic that was discussed on the local sports radio station

Why would they combine Lee and JT...only to turn around and make another school? That makes absolutely no sense.

[Rapture]

No wonder you guys haven't done crap since 2004. You're so content with that damn State Championship from 5 years ago, that you could care less what happens in the present.

The fact is, Lee has been nothing since 2004. Nothing. On the other hand, Lufkin and Longview have both been back to the State Quarterfinals...with Longview going there multiple times.
longview been back to quaterfinals 2 times. 4a shoot lee would have won it all. why bragging about quaterfinals!!!!! win the qwhole dang thing!!! i dont care for no 3 or 4 rounds. lee won it all and so did lufkin!!! so shut up about what longview done , cause they are the ones who have done nothing!!!!!WIN IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!


Why would they combine Lee and JT...only to turn around and make another school? That makes absolutely no sense.[/quote] they would build anouther schools first dummy before they put them together. you are from longview i c

[LoboFan07]

longview been back to quaterfinals 2 times. 4a shoot lee would have won it all. why bragging about quaterfinals!!!!! win the qwhole dang thing!!! i dont care for no 3 or 4 rounds. lee won it all and so did lufkin!!! so shut up about what longview done , cause they are the ones who have done nothing!!!!!WIN IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

they would anouther schools first dummy before they put them together. you are from longview i c

There is honestly no win with you. You talk about Longview not being able to beat Lufkin...yet we've beaten them two straight years. You talk about Lee beating Longview and Lufkin in the early 00's...yet when we bring it up, you bash us saying it doesn't matter or whatever goes through your head. You talk about Longview not being a 4A school...yet by the numbers we are...and we're going to stay here the next time around. You talk about how Owens is such a great coach...yet since 2004, he's won 1 playoff game (and that was against Dallas Molina for Christ's sake) and had 2 below .500 records (But then again, since you have that State Title from 5 years ago...that's acceptable). Have fun with your 2004 State Championship. You obviously are so happy about that, that no matter how bad Lee is or how many mistakes Owens makes during a game when it comes to coaching (And he's made a ton) that it doesn't matter at all. But just remember, you haven't been able to do crap since....including beating Longview or Lufkin.

Again, makes absolutely no sense to create a new school then merge REL and JT together.

And you make it obvious that you're from REL. What a great education you received from them. :rolleyes:

[johntylerfan]

With one child graduated and my last one working on graduating from JT, I seriously doubt I would tie myself to a combination school. I'll admit, IF they made it to state I'd go.

I feel just like you Rod. Shutting down JT to merge with Lee would cause UNREAL controversy in Tyler. Trust me it will cause alot of problems especially with the folks on both sides of town. Now, football-wise it would be an absolute BEAST on the field but alot of talented kids would leave Tyler and go to Whitehouse and Bullard just to see the field. I'll go head and tell the truth. There is a certain "type" of people in Tyler who do NOT won't their kids going to school with some of the kids who currently got to JT. Just read between the lines of what I just typed. Besides, combining JT and Lee together will NOT help the academics what so ever. The problem with a 3rd high school is how it will affect JT and Lee's programs. Lee would obviously take a huge hit because common sense tells you it will be on the southside, and will cut Lee's enrollment nearly in half. There are alot reaons why I don't see either scenario happening any time soon. I think they are just going to e redraw the lines and try to make JT bigger. That would be a the easiest thing to do. JT has plenty of land to expand and could easily add 300 to 400 kids.

[c-lisle]

You give Longview too much credit, especially playing away from Lobo Stadium. I think Allen, Lufkin, Lee and Texas High all have a good chance at winning their matchups with the Lobos. Just my opinion.

I think the credit he is giving Longview is warranted. Longview will have a very solid team this year and should win all 4 of those matchups. Each team is very respectable in their own right but Longview will be exceptionally good this year. They are loaded with talent and have alot of experience and leadership coming back from a team who played 16 games last season and got their butts kicked in the championship game....they will be very determined I think.

[Favpack]

According to who? We were 1-1 and you were 2-0... The poll on here had more people thinking Lufkin would win. I know it'll make you feel better to think, "Hey, we were favored to lose", but that ain't true. In fact, I remember reading a Lufkin newspaper where all of the columnists predicted LP wins...

You're kidding. I find that hard to believe.

:rolleyes:

[Rapture]

There is honestly no win with you. You talk about Longview not being able to beat Lufkin...yet we've beaten them two straight years. You talk about Lee beating Longview and Lufkin in the early 00's...yet when we bring it up, you bash us saying it doesn't matter or whatever goes through your head. You talk about Longview not being a 4A school...yet by the numbers we are...and we're going to stay here the next time around. You talk about how Owens is such a great coach...yet since 2004, he's won 1 playoff game (and that was against Dallas Molina for Christ's sake) and had 2 below .500 records (But then again, since you have that State Title from 5 years ago...that's acceptable). Have fun with your 2004 State Championship. You obviously are so happy about that, that no matter how bad Lee is or how many mistakes Owens makes during a game when it comes to coaching (And he's made a ton) that it doesn't matter at all. But just remember, you haven't been able to do crap since....including beating Longview or Lufkin.

Again, makes absolutely no sense to create a new school then merge REL and JT together.

And you make it obvious that you're from REL. What a great education you received from them. :rolleyes:
you see, that why i urge posters to never pay u any attention cause you post nothin but lies and misleading information:cool: lee won over a&m consolidated in the first round a year ago.lee has won 2 first round playoffs games since the state champ in 04. sure i am going to hold on to the 04 champion cause im sure king would trade place with owens in heartbeat! lmao!! who cares about a team that goes to the quarter-finls compared to a state title? huh? tell me!!!! u jjust hatin and hatin on me bragging about the 04 title . where is yo title !!!!! i dont care if we loose to longview from now to the till the sky turns to gold, if we win the title tat year and longview doesnt then that makes up for that . we are the ones holdin the gold ball and being called champs while you are left say" well we beat them that year they won it all" LMAO!!!!!! you go ahead buddy. if that is yo title then HAIL TO THE CHAMP!!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!

[LP-79]

I know we all get a little overboard on protecting our teams traditions. In East texas John Tyler has been one of the most consistent programs over the years. Longview has also been very consistent. Lufkin for years was on the cusp. Some years they had one of the best teams in the State other years they were very average. All that changed When Outlaw arrived. Even though they have not met expectations the past couple years they are still considered one of the ELITE teams in Texas. Tyler Lee was either a mediocre to terrible team for years. After Owens arrived they have won 1 State championship. They are not mediocre anymore. However I do not know of anybody that considers them one of the Elite teams in the State. If they could put a run together of 3 or 4 years getting to at least the quarter finals every year that may change. Right now Longview is the BIG DOG in East Texas. However I fully expect all 4 teams to make some noise in the playoffs. A second round from all 4 should be expected. I would not be suprised if CUJO and the Pack meet 2 times this year. It is getting closer to start of season. BIGRED is going to Ride Owens and DADA to at least second round. CUJO is back and showing their PRIDE. Longview has STATE CHAMPS written on their back. And Lufkin will get their swagger back this year.

[99cujo]

I know we all get a little overboard on protecting our teams traditions. In East texas John Tyler has been one of the most consistent programs over the years. Longview has also been very consistent. Lufkin for years was on the cusp. Some years they had one of the best teams in the State other years they were very average. All that changed When Outlaw arrived. Even though they have not met expectations the past couple years they are still considered one of the ELITE teams in Texas. Tyler Lee was either a mediocre to terrible team for years. After Owens arrived they have won 1 State championship. They are not mediocre anymore. However I do not know of anybody that considers them one of the Elite teams in the State. If they could put a run together of 3 or 4 years getting to at least the quarter finals every year that may change. Right now Longview is the BIG DOG in East Texas. However I fully expect all 4 teams to make some noise in the playoffs. A second round from all 4 should be expected. I would not be suprised if CUJO and the Pack meet 2 times this year. It is getting closer to start of season. BIGRED is going to Ride Owens and DADA to at least second round. CUJO is back and showing their PRIDE. Longview has STATE CHAMPS written on their back. And Lufkin will get their swagger back this year.I agree & most of us with sense agree to--- until one us in east Texas 11 5a beat the Lobos in district or playoff they are the Big Dawgs in East Texas right now but..................

[LoboFan07]

sure i am going to hold on to the 04 champion cause im sure king would trade place with owens in heartbeat! lmao!!

Why would King even consider changing places with Owens?

Lee has had the talent there ever since they won the State Title....but each season they've underachieved and disappointed. King has taken Longview with less talent during some seasons (2006) and much much younger talent (2008) to far great accomplishments than Owens has the past 4 years.

[LoboBooster73]

Why would King even consider changing places with Owens?

I agree. Although Owens does have the one state championship, he also has 2 losing seasons and a 68% winning percentage, which is good.

But King, although only knocking on the door a few times, has maintained an 85% winning percentage, which is damn good. Only a few high school coaches in the state can brag an equal or better record!

[Aggies2009]

You're kidding. I find that hard to believe.

:rolleyes:

It's it Lufkin that does that? Where all the columnists pick a few games that are happening that week? I know Longview does...

[Rapture]

I feel just like you Rod. Shutting down JT to merge with Lee would cause UNREAL controversy in Tyler. Trust me it will cause alot of problems especially with the folks on both sides of town. Now, football-wise it would be an absolute BEAST on the field but alot of talented kids would leave Tyler and go to Whitehouse and Bullard just to see the field. I'll go head and tell the truth. There is a certain "type" of people in Tyler who do NOT won't their kids going to school with some of the kids who currently got to JT. Just read between the lines of what I just typed. Besides, combining JT and Lee together will NOT help the academics what so ever. The problem with a 3rd high school is how it will affect JT and Lee's programs. Lee would obviously take a huge hit because common sense tells you it will be on the southside, and will cut Lee's enrollment nearly in half. There are alot reaons why I don't see either scenario happening any time soon. I think they are just going to e redraw the lines and try to make JT bigger. That would be a the easiest thing to do. JT has plenty of land to expand and could easily add 300 to 400 kids.
you may not be as right as u think ur about that JT fan cause some of those where the first people to say they are for the to schools uniting

[Rapture]

I agree. Although Owens does have the one state championship, he also has 2 losing seasons and a 68% winning percentage, which is good.

But King, although only knocking on the door a few times, has maintained an 85% winning percentage, which is damn good. Only a few high school coaches in the state can brag an equal or better record!
well he hasnt been coaching longer than the rest. if you go back to owen first 5-6 or 7 yrs it would be just as high:rolleyes:

[LoboFan07]

well he hasnt been coaching longer than the rest. if you go back to owen firts 5-6 or 7 hyrs it would be just as high:rolleyes:

Owens had a .655 winning % after his first 5 years. Fail again.

It also took Owens 5 years just to reach his first 10 win season. King has done that in 4 of his first 5 seasons.

[Favpack]

It's it Lufkin that does that? Where all the columnists pick a few games that are happening that week? I know Longview does...

Yes they do, and, actually, a few picked against Lufkin last year - I think a few picked North Shore and also the Woodz. No one would ever pick LV to beat LP though - no way - that's like a sure fire way to get fired.

[Rapture]

I know we all get a little overboard on protecting our teams traditions. In East texas John Tyler has been one of the most consistent programs over the years. Longview has also been very consistent. Lufkin for years was on the cusp. Some years they had one of the best teams in the State other years they were very average. All that changed When Outlaw arrived. Even though they have not met expectations the past couple years they are still considered one of the ELITE teams in Texas. Tyler Lee was either a mediocre to terrible team for years. After Owens arrived they have won 1 State championship. They are not mediocre anymore. However i do not know of anybody that considers them one of the Elite teams in the State. If they could put a run together of 3 or 4 years getting to at least the quarter finals every year that may change. Right now Longview is the BIG DOG in East Texas. However I fully expect all 4 teams to make some noise in the playoffs. A second round from all 4 should be expected. I would not be suprised if CUJO and the Pack meet 2 times this year. It is getting closer to start of season. BIGRED is going to Ride Owens and DADA to at least second round. CUJO is back and showing their PRIDE. Longview has STATE CHAMPS written on their back. And Lufkin will get their swagger back this year.
man is you crazy!!!!!! or yo homerism is just that strong:confused:. if lee is not a elite then lufkin sure as hell isnt!!! neither one is right now becausde they havnt done much in the post season. lufkin really aint did naything since 2005 when they made it to the semi-finals. they were racnked #1 at the start of 06 but didnt belong there for stayed there because of a weak regular season schedule for 2, and was outsed bad in the first round for 3. lee and lufkin climed at the sametime and declined around the sametime, both are dangerous teams to play, but cannot be of the elite group as of yet. lee mmissed the playoffs in 05,out 2nd round in 06, out 1st round in 07 and 2nd in 08, but were co-district champs. lufkin went 1st round in 06 and 07,and 2nd round in 08 . if i rememebr correctly each loss was decisive. neither is elite team right now, but could be on the verge of kicking theirselves back to the elite status after this season. they were both elite in early to mid millenium. both winning state champs and was known for going deep in the playoffs a nd to semi-finals

[Rapture]

Owens had a .655 winning % after his first 5 years. Fail again.

It also took Owens 5 years just to reach his first 10 win season. King has done that in 4 of his first 5 seasons.
once again homer, owens built a program from the ground up !! king was given a good program and has failed to do anything with it. i mean he finally has made astate apperance, but that was in 4a. i feal all of east texas 5a could have done atleast that or better last yr. longview has 5a numbers and plays in 4a and squeezed to the title game. every game jusT ABOUT was a dogfight. not the status quae for a elit coach. king is mediocre

[LP-79]

man is you crazy!!!!!! or yo homerism is just that strong:confused:. if lee is not a elite then lufkin sure as hell isnt!!! neither one is right now becausde they havnt done much in the post season. lufkin really aint did naything since 2005 when they made it to the semi-finals. they were racnked #1 at the start of 06 but didnt belong there for stayed there because of a weak regular season schedule for 2, and was outsed bad in the first round for 3. lee and lufkin climed at the sametime and declined around the sametime, both are dangerous teams to play, but cannot be of the elite group as of yet. lee mmissed the playoffs in 05,out 2nd round in 06, out 1st round in 07 and 2nd in 08, but were co-district champs. lufkin went 1st round in 06 and 07,and 2nd round in 08 . if i rememebr correctly each loss was decisive. neither is elite team right now, but could be on the verge of kicking theirselves back to the elite status after this season. they were both elite in early to mid millenium. both winning state champs and was known for going deep in the playoffs a nd to semi-finals

Rapture buddy that was not homerism at all. Lufkin would have 3 more State championships if it was not for SLC. Can you say the same for TYler Lee? Lufkin is considered one of the Elite programs because of Coach Outlaw. Tyler Lee has been dclose to getting to that stage several times. Just never can get over the hump. That is a fair assesment. No homer at all. I know you think Lee is an elite program but State wide it is not thought of that way. No shame they just have not put the playoff runs in consecutive years. Longview is considered Elite because they have been consistent winners for so many years. Step back. Take the Rose colored glasses off and look at the whole picture. My opinion is if Lufkin does not go far in playoffs this year they will be off the elite classification.

[Rapture]

Owens had a .655 winning % after his first 5 years. Fail again.

It also took Owens 5 years just to reach his first 10 win season. King has done that in 4 of his first 5 seasons.
how many 10 win seasons did longview have druin that same stretch in the same time or era? just garbage!!!!!:eek: face it owens is the better coach. you would have had yo state title and wins vs lufkin many games earlier if he hadda had the lobo green on.