Texas approached about playing game in Atlanta

[svhorns]

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/big12/0-9-21/Texas-approached-about-playing-future-game-in-Atlanta.html?post=true

[cajun]

That would be cool...

[pied]

I can't really see it unless we played Tech. If we played any of the other SEC/ACC schools I'd rather play at their home. PLaying at GA, Knoxville, or the Swamp would be cool. Playing them in the GA dome would be a bit lame I think.

[svhorns]

I can't really see it unless we played Tech. If we played any of the other SEC/ACC schools I'd rather play at their home. PLaying at GA, Knoxville, or the Swamp would be cool. Playing them in the GA dome would be a bit lame I think.
Bama?

[farmerfan]

I have a hard time believing that DeLoss and the Texas program would agree to play any SEC team in the Ga Dome. Most likely would be the likes of a FSU, Miami, Va Tech or somebody else. I just can't see Texas going into SEC country nad playing a SEC team without deamanding a return game into Big 12 land.

[pied]

If we play a FL team I want to play them at home, or in Orlando(family road trip). We did a home/home with NC and Virginia. I can't really see anyone that I would want to play in Atlanta(save Ga Tech).

[farmerfan]

If we play a FL team I want to play them at home, or in Orlando(family road trip). We did a home/home with NC and Virginia. I can't really see anyone that I would want to play in Atlanta(save Ga Tech).

I just say Texas stays out of Georgia period. No need to subject yourself to an inferior state or people

[pied]

Good point.

There was an article in the DMN a couple of weeks back regarding the top 10% rule. Apparently Georgia is becoming a preferred school for some who are victims of the rule, weird.

The state tracks high school graduates who stay in Texas for college, but not those who head out of state. So it's hard to know the hot spots of college emigration. But the more vocal complaints about the top 10 percent law come from competitive suburban high schools, where you hear tales about the kid in the top 11 percent who got into an Ivy League school but not UT-Austin.


Burnt orange no more

also, you are talking about to a guy born in MS. I spent enough time around there to be able to forma an opinion about those from MS/GA/AL, northern FL.

"Our blood was burnt orange, but now it's red for Georgia," said Cheryl Weitz, a Dallas mother and UT-Austin graduate.

Weitz's 18-year-old son, Michael, wanted to follow in her Longhorn footsteps. He's sports editor of the school newspaper and a member of the National Honor Society and Young Men's Service League at J.J. Pearce High School in Richardson. He works summers as a camp counselor. But he's ranked only in the top quarter of his class. UT-Austin rejected him.

Michael applied to state schools in Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Missouri and Pennsylvania, but no others in Texas.

"I've just grown up as a UT fan," he said. "If you lived in North Dakota, you probably wouldn't know what A&M is, but everybody knows about UT."

With a final decision due Friday, Michael's leaning toward the University of Georgia, a big state school with a good academic reputation. Also important to him: The student body contains a sizable Jewish population.

Non-Georgia residents pay more than $22,000 in tuition and fees, rivaling what some private colleges charge. Weitz and her husband worry about the steep price.

"But we want our child to be happy," she said. "And we just don't have that many options in Texas."

Michael's friend Barrett Gold has already decided on Georgia. UT-Austin rejected him, too. It stung so much that Barrett and a couple of friends held a "sulking party" to drown their sorrows in chocolate ice cream and M&Ms.

But now, Barrett is excited about becoming a Georgia Bulldog. A visit to the Athens campus sealed the deal.

"There was a Southern warmth to it, you know? I guess I'm just accustomed to that in Texas."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/richardson/stories/DN-braindrain_26met.ART.State.Edition2.4a67ed0.html

[farmerfan]

Good point.

There was an article in the DMN a couple of weeks back regarding the top 10% rule. Apparently Georgia is becoming a preferred school for some who are victims of the rule, weird.



http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/richardson/stories/DN-braindrain_26met.ART.State.Edition2.4a67ed0.html

LOL at the Southern Warmth comment in reference to Texas. Once you get West of Tyler there is hardly anything Southern about Texas.

[F18mustang]

Clemson or GT would be pretty sweet.

[BDB]

I have a hard time believing that DeLoss and the Texas program would agree to play any SEC team in the Ga Dome. Most likely would be the likes of a FSU, Miami, Va Tech or somebody else. I just can't see Texas going into SEC country nad playing a SEC team without deamanding a return game into Big 12 land.

this. if they were playing a FLA or UGA, i would call it an automatic jerryworld tour the following season.

[slorch]

this. if they were playing a FLA or UGA, i would call it an automatic jerryworld tour the following season.

that would be pretty cool...or Reliant.

[farmerfan]

this. if they were playing a FLA or UGA, i would call it an automatic jerryworld tour the following season.

To which I am sure Jeremy Foley would come out and say a game involving UF an UT in which a return trip to Dallas or Houston is involved then they would probably forfeit playing in Atlanta and choose Jacksonville or Orlando instead to which it then would make more sense for them to just go home and home.

[pied]

If we play Clemson, I want to play them in Death Valley. I have no interest in playing another regular season game in Dallas.

[slorch]

If we play Clemson, I want to play them in Death Valley. I have no interest in playing another regular season game in Dallas.

that's why a game in Reliant would benefit the Horns more than JerryLand.

[pied]

that's why a game in Reliant would benefit the Horns more than JerryLand.

That's what Rice and Houston are for.

[Maddog2020]

Texas needs to be careful playing a SEC team such as LSU, Florida or Alabama. May get a serious knot on your head.

[BDB]

Texas needs to be careful playing a SEC team such as LSU, Florida or Alabama. May get a serious knot on your head.

you can flip that statement around, and it still holds water.

[slorch]

LOL at the Southern Warmth comment in reference to Texas. Once you get West of Tyler there is hardly anything Southern about Texas.

Texas is most definitely part of the South, with some southwestern heritage thrown in for good measure, regardless of what your bulldog lovin *** is sayin...:D

[slorch]

That's what Rice and Houston are for.

Ok...a competitive game in Reliant...

[pied]

Ok...a competitive game in Reliant...

What's in thar for Texas?

[slorch]

What's in thar for Texas?

home and home is so overrated... what was I thinkin?

I thought we were discussing a return visit from the Atlanta opponent( or that conference)

[farmerfan]

Texas is most definitely part of the South, with some southwestern heritage thrown in for good measure, regardless of what your bulldog lovin *** is sayin...:D

This is one of the favorite things I love about Texans. We insist on being something were not. Texas is not very much part of the true deep South. No sir. Texas is just Texas and there is nothing wrong with that but it's not "Southern". The culture, atmosphere and generosity of those who live in Dallas, Houston, SA, FW and Austin are nothing close to the likes of Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, Nashville, Richmond, Montgomery, Charleston and others. When you speak to those from the deep south and you mention the likes of Dallas or Houston as being a southern city they laugh.

[slorch]

This is one of the favorite things I love about Texans. We insist on being something were not. Texas is not very much part of the true deep South. No sir. Texas is just Texas and there is nothing wrong with that but it's not "Southern". The culture, atmosphere and generosity of those who live in Dallas, Houston, SA, FW and Austin are nothing close to the likes of Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, Nashville, Richmond, Montgomery, Charleston and others. When you speak to those from the deep south and you mention the likes of Dallas or Houston as being a southern city they laugh.

Just like we laugh about New York and California, but they're American still...

Don't act as if Texas is seeking their endorsement either, but we are still part of the South. Fact is Texas was one of the CSA, and many of its traditions are tied to southern culture. It was settled by a lot of folks from Tennessee, Mississippi, and so forth. On the flipside of that, I'd say our Texan attitude is a lot more progressive than those cities you listed. There is a "Can-do" attitude in Texas that is woven into the very fiber of being Texan. It is so attractive, that some of us even move here to be part of it.

As for Dallas being laughed at, well, even within the state it is laughed at for their more "Yankee" mannerisms and haughty attitude. Austin is exempt from no impunities either...

[pied]

home and home is so overrated... what was I thinkin?

I thought we were discussing a return visit from the Atlanta opponent( or that conference)

What's in it for us playing in Atlanta?

[cajun]

What's in it for us playing in Atlanta?

I was going to say it's a good recruiting tool if anything, but forget about that!

:D

The Lasershow Spectacular at Stone Mountain is pretty cool though....

http://hfeimages.aristotle.net/general/smp/festivals/header-laser.jpg
The Lasershow Spectacular highlights musical scores featuring well-known themes from Star Wars, Pirates of the Caribbean, Indiana Jones and High School Musical. With displays of laser lights, graphics, characters and fireworks, the Lasershow Spectacular is an Atlanta attraction that is not to be missed.

Heroes and sports medleys plus a patriotic finale including choreographed state-of-the-art graphics are also inlcuded. You’ll also hear some of your favorites like “The Devil Went Down to Georgia,” “An American Trilogy” and “Celestial Soda Pop”.

Relax on the lawn as Stone Mountain is transformed into a natural amphitheater. The Stone Mountain Park signature event combines colorful lasers, surround sound and special effects into a 40 minute light show, precisely choreographed to music.

[HUM398]

This is one of the favorite things I love about Texans. We insist on being something were not. Texas is not very much part of the true deep South. No sir. Texas is just Texas and there is nothing wrong with that but it's not "Southern". The culture, atmosphere and generosity of those who live in Dallas, Houston, SA, FW and Austin are nothing close to the likes of Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, Nashville, Richmond, Montgomery, Charleston and others. When you speak to those from the deep south and you mention the likes of Dallas or Houston as being a southern city they laugh.


Deep south historically and culturally begins in East Texas and ends in Alabama...some even say the pan-handle of Florida....actually, historically the Deep South was reference to the first 7 states that seceded from the union. Texas, SC, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, LA, and Georgia...Where it was considered the home of the most considtrated anti-yankee feelings resonated.

as far as Dallas goes....Well, its Dallas...it has no culture.....It is probably the most uncultured city in the state...But Houston is Southern, it has a heavy Louisiana influence in cuisine, vocabulary, and strong southern history....Remember its only 1hr 40 minutes or so away from the LA-TEX border....

East and Southeast Texas as a hole are certainly southern, and someone that has been born and raised in this region of our state....traveled to the south knows it.

BUT, Texas is in fact Texas...and we are different then the other southern states... We have a sense of mistaken pride (as arrogance), and individuality that comes with the history of our State....like slorch said...its a "can do" attitude that is uniquely Texas...and anyone that tells you that Texas isn't hospital....is ignorant...Tell that to the loads of Katrina victims...we are suckers for being kind to strangers....I have traveled the "true" deep south, have family in Alabama....if you aren't from there....they really don't treat you all that well....That is my experience in your "true Deep south" .

[slorch]

Deep south historically and culturally begins in East Texas and ends in Alabama...some even say the pan-handle of Florida....actually, historically the Deep South was reference to the first 7 states that seceded from the union. Texas, SC, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, LA, and Georgia...Where it was considered the home of the most considtrated anti-yankee feelings resonated.

as far as Dallas goes....Well, its Dallas...it has no culture.....It is probably the most uncultured city in the state...But Houston is Southern, it has a heavy Louisiana influence in cuisine, vocabulary, and strong southern history....Remember its only 1hr 40 minutes or so away from the LA-TEX border....

East and Southeast Texas as a hole are certainly southern, and someone that has been born and raised in this region of our state....traveled to the south knows it.

BUT, Texas is in fact Texas...and we are different then the other southern states... We have a sense of mistaken pride (as arrogance), and individuality that comes with the history of our State....like slorch said...its a "can do" attitude that is uniquely Texas...and anyone that tells you that Texas isn't hospital....is ignorant...Tell that to the loads of Katrina victims...we are suckers for being kind to strangers....I have traveled the "true" deep south, have family in Alabama....if you aren't from there....they really don't treat you all that well....That is my experience in your "true Deep south" .

hospitable? :D

[cajun]

This is kinda what the Lazor Show looked like when I saw it (I'm sure it has changed)...I'm sure lonny23 will appreciate it though....

You really got to see it in person though to really appreciate it and the sound...

Texas also was LARGE during Katrina-no doubt about it...

I believe I see Texas on the map towards the middle of the video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SATYesQdNx8

[farmerfan]

Just like we laugh about New York and California, but they're American still...

Don't act as if Texas is seeking their endorsement either, but we are still part of the South. Fact is Texas was one of the CSA, and many of its traditions are tied to southern culture. It was settled by a lot of folks from Tennessee, Mississippi, and so forth. On the flipside of that, I'd say our Texan attitude is a lot more progressive than those cities you listed. There is a "Can-do" attitude in Texas that is woven into the very fiber of being Texan. It is so attractive, that some of us even move here to be part of it.

As for Dallas being laughed at, well, even within the state it is laughed at for their more "Yankee" mannerisms and haughty attitude. Austin is exempt from no impunities either...


Oklahoma as a territory sent men and fought under the CSA. How often do we hear Oklahoma nad the South being mentioned? The fact that Texas fought for the CSA does not make them southern now. Too much has changed in this state inregards to the attitude and the people for it to be considered Southern. The largest metro area in the state being Dallas is very midwestern and more like KC than it is like Atlanta. SA the second largest city in the state is more like Phoenix or cities you will find in either Mexico or the Southwest US than it is Richmond or Charlotte. Austin, once again California and not Nashville or Memphis. Houston, probably the closest thing in Texas to being Southern but it not enough to make up for the rest of the state becausse I would say Houston has become a lot more hispanic in culture than it has Southern. I would be willing to say that if you took 80-85% of the population in the state of Texas that it would be in an area that has no southern feel at all. You all in Houston laugh at Dallas for being different and thank God for that, but Houston it self is not spared from some jokes either

[farmerfan]

Deep south historically and culturally begins in East Texas and ends in Alabama...some even say the pan-handle of Florida....actually, historically the Deep South was reference to the first 7 states that seceded from the union. Texas, SC, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, LA, and Georgia...Where it was considered the home of the most considtrated anti-yankee feelings resonated.

as far as Dallas goes....Well, its Dallas...it has no culture.....It is probably the most uncultured city in the state...But Houston is Southern, it has a heavy Louisiana influence in cuisine, vocabulary, and strong southern history....Remember its only 1hr 40 minutes or so away from the LA-TEX border....

East and Southeast Texas as a hole are certainly southern, and someone that has been born and raised in this region of our state....traveled to the south knows it.

BUT, Texas is in fact Texas...and we are different then the other southern states... We have a sense of mistaken pride (as arrogance), and individuality that comes with the history of our State....like slorch said...its a "can do" attitude that is uniquely Texas...and anyone that tells you that Texas isn't hospital....is ignorant...Tell that to the loads of Katrina victims...we are suckers for being kind to strangers....I have traveled the "true" deep south, have family in Alabama....if you aren't from there....they really don't treat you all that well....That is my experience in your "true Deep south" .

The Deep South does no historically begin in East Texas and end in Alabama. That is just ignorant and wront to state. The Deep south extends all the way to the Carolinas/Atlantic Ocean. A lot of your historians who reside in the Deep South such as Virgina, Georgia, Bama, Mississippi and the Carolinas will even go as far to say the Deep south stops at the Mississippi River.

As for Dallas having no culture nad Houston possessing culture. Houston been overtaken by a strong hispanic culture which is evident by all the latino restaurants we now see in the city as well as the massive advertisement campagins currently going on with their billboards every tenth of a mile or so. Houston also overtaken by massive amounts of concrete. Once you get inside the beltway the "pine trees" seem to dissapear.

As for what Texans did for those in New Orlenas during Katrina, yes the city of Houston and the state of Texas stepped up as did other states. But the arrogance of Texans is so much that the hospitality is soon forgotten. Look at the way we talk down to people from California, the Northeast, the upper midwest and the Pacific Northwest. Thats just being annoying and not "prideful". The peopl in the South are just as nice to strangers as you say we are here in Texas. I too have travled to places all over the south and you will find more hospitality in the Deep South than you will in Houston or Dallas. Funny thing is Houston and Dallas area make up roughly half of the population of state of Texas. Add in Austin down to SA and then you have way more than half. Go out to Lubbock, Amarillo, Lubbock Midland-Odessa and El Paso and you are very much in with a Southwest/Western culture. The Valley, once again not Southern and I would be willing to say that makes up right at around 80-85% of the population of the state.

Texas is more progressive than the people in the South and I to that I agree with you and Slorch. Once again though, nothing wrong at all with Texas just being labled Texas. In this country we have always had the North, South, East and West and then there is Texas. As the times have evloved in this country and Texas has grown the attitude and culture of Texas has changed so much that it most definitely has taken on its own identity now.
I also agree with you about East Texas. There is still a southern culture in Deep East Texas but that stops once you get to Tyler.

[farmerfan]

This is kinda what the Lazor Show looked like when I saw it (I'm sure it has changed)...I'm sure lonny23 will appreciate it though....

You really got to see it in person though to really appreciate it and the sound...

Texas also was LARGE during Katrina-no doubt about it...

I believe I see Texas on the map towards the middle of the video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SATYesQdNx8

Looks like lots of states made the map including Kansas, Missouri, Illinois and Wisconsin just to name a few.

Texas really has nothing to gain by coming to Atlanta. Just keep em in Texas.

[slorch]

Oklahoma as a territory sent men and fought under the CSA. How often do we hear Oklahoma nad the South being mentioned? The fact that Texas fought for the CSA does not make them southern now. Too much has changed in this state inregards to the attitude and the people for it to be considered Southern. The largest metro area in the state being Dallas is very midwestern and more like KC than it is like Atlanta. SA the second largest city in the state is more like Phoenix or cities you will find in either Mexico or the Southwest US than it is Richmond or Charlotte. Austin, once again California and not Nashville or Memphis. Houston, probably the closest thing in Texas to being Southern but it not enough to make up for the rest of the state becausse I would say Houston has become a lot more hispanic in culture than it has Southern. I would be willing to say that if you took 80-85% of the population in the state of Texas that it would be in an area that has no southern feel at all. You all in Houston laugh at Dallas for being different and thank God for that, but Houston it self is not spared from some jokes either


you do realize Texas was one of the original States in the Confederacy, right?

you're also comparing urban areas for friendliness. Alot of Texans don't like Houston/ Dallas/ San Antonio, either. I have lived in other places than Texas. I have met and lived with people from all over our great nation. I never could wait to get back to Texas and have someone wave with all 4 fingers up and smile and say howdy when we passed on the sidewalk. there is nowhere else like Texas, yet our Southern heritage is still as much a part of this state as cattle, oil, and football games.

[farmerfan]

you do realize Texas was one of the original States in the Confederacy, right?

you're also comparing urban areas for friendliness. Alot of Texans don't like Houston/ Dallas/ San Antonio, either. I have lived in other places than Texas. I have met and lived with people from all over our great nation. I never could wait to get back to Texas and have someone wave with all 4 fingers up and smile and say howdy when we passed on the sidewalk. there is nowhere else like Texas, yet our Southern heritage is still as much a part of this state as cattle, oil, and football games.

I understand Texas seceded and joined and fought for the CSA, Okalahoma as a territory lended its support to the CSA as well. Does that make them Southern in your mind? Have you ever considered Okalhoma to be Southern?
Our Texas heritage is still intact and strong and I think people are confusing that for Southern heritage.

I am comparing the makeup of the people. People generally carry out the makeup of a state and right now Texas has lost that. Hey I enjoy going to East Texas to visit my Grandma for the very reason you mentioned about driving down a country road and having people wave to ya. However over 80% of the Texas popluation live in metro areas now and I can not think of a single metro area that has maintained a true southern feel to it.
I agree with ya on those who dont live inside of the Dallas', SA's, Houston's and Austins not liking them but that makes up a minority of the population of the state now.

[slorch]

I understand Texas seceded and joined and fought for the CSA, Okalahoma as a territory lended its support to the CSA as well. Does that make them Southern in your mind? Have you ever considered Okalhoma to be Southern?
Our Texas heritage is still intact and strong and I think people are confusing that for Southern heritage.

I am comparing the makeup of the people. People generally carry out the makeup of a state and right now Texas has lost that. Hey I enjoy going to East Texas to visit my Grandma for the very reason you mentioned about driving down a country road and having people wave to ya. However over 80% of the Texas popluation live in metro areas now and I can not think of a single metro area that has maintained a true southern feel to it.
I agree with ya on those who dont live inside of the Dallas', SA's, Houston's and Austins not liking them but that makes up a minority of the population of the state now.

I always felt Amarillo was very friendly, but geographically, it is the least "Southern" of any city over 100k in Texas, besides El paso. Wichita Falls is also very friendly, as are Abilene, San Angelo, and the Midland/ Odessa areas. yeah, they're all West texas types of town, but their religious heritage, blue collar work ethic, and friendly hospitality give them a Southern feel to them as well.

Don't bring up Oklahoma again. They were not in the Confederate States of America. Texas was. I don't think of Oklahoma as anything other than half a notch about a cow-pie when rating all things considered.

Besides geography, what would you say gives an area Southern characteristics? I have spent time in Virginia and the DC area, and there were times when it sure didn't feel too Southern to me...

[cajun]

Besides geography, what would you say gives an area Southern characteristics? I have spent time in Virginia and the DC area, and there were times when it sure didn't feel too Southern to me...

Texas have more of "Southern Feel" if they joined the SEC...Virginia doesn't seem Southern either...:cool:

[farmerfan]

I always felt Amarillo was very friendly, but geographically, it is the least "Southern" of any city over 100k in Texas, besides El paso. Wichita Falls is also very friendly, as are Abilene, San Angelo, and the Midland/ Odessa areas. yeah, they're all West texas types of town, but their religious heritage, blue collar work ethic, and friendly hospitality give them a Southern feel to them as well.

Don't bring up Oklahoma again. They were not in the Confederate States of America. Texas was. I don't think of Oklahoma as anything other than half a notch about a cow-pie when rating all things considered.

Besides geography, what would you say gives an area Southern characteristics? I have spent time in Virginia and the DC area, and there were times when it sure didn't feel too Southern to me...


Why can't I bring up Oklahoma, they were a territory but they contributed to and supported the CSA during the civil war. Who are we to not recogonize that? Funny you say what you do about Oklahoma and were it ranks but holy hell some of the ugliest parts of the country can be found driving from Odessa to El Paso. and anything in between Lubbock and Amaraillo. Its brutal.

I think the thing that seperates the Texas towns from the Southern towns is the independent spirit of thinking as well as work ethic. This will be seen as a shot on other states and I almost hate to say it at the risk of offending some but as you said earlier the "progressive" attitude or as Um said the independent way of thinking of Texans seperates them from the Southern way of thinking and living. Texans in general do not liked to be linked with anybody else in this country. We thinkg we're better than everybody and you better not link us in with others. In the South you do not see the sense of hostility from Georgians towards those from Tennessee or Alabama or the Carolinas like you do in Texas when they are compared to anybody else. As for the relgion, once again, Oklahoma holds on to its relgion and has churches on every corner but thats right, as we just said, they're only a notch above a cow pie.
As for the southern charcterisitcs, religion is definitely a part of it but so is the cuisine, music, landscape, makeup of people, Texas far more diverse in its population than others. Ask those from the Valley or most of other Latino decent if they associate with the South and I wodner what response you would get.
Texans have always had their own way of thinking, some were linked to the South and some are not. Texas more independent thinking than most in the South and anywhere else in the country. Texans will in general not be told what to do by others and the same can't be said in the South. They mainly stick together from state to state.

[farmerfan]

Texas have more of "Southern Feel" if they joined the SEC...Virginia doesn't seem Southern either...:cool:

But the capital of the CSA was Richmond and that is reason enough for them to be apart of the South, right?

I do think like we have in Texas there is definitley a divinding line in Virigina where the South ends/begins. The Southern part of the state is definitely south just like deep East Texas is with the South. But others such as D.C and the north like Arlington have formed their own identity.

[cajun]

Why can't I bring up Oklahoma, they were a territory but they contributed to and supported the CSA during the civil war. Who are we to not recogonize that? Funny you say what you do about Oklahoma and were it ranks but holy hell some of the ugliest parts of the country can be found driving from Odessa to El Paso. and anything in between Lubbock and Amaraillo. Its brutal.

I think the thing that seperates the Texas towns from the Southern towns is the independent spirit of thinking as well as work ethic. This will be seen as a shot on other states and I almost hate to say it at the risk of offending some but as you said earlier the "progressive" attitude or as Um said the independent way of thinking of Texans seperates them from the Southern way of thinking and living. Texans in general do not liked to be linked with anybody else in this country. We thinkg we're better than everybody and you better not link us in with others. In the South you do not see the sense of hostility from Georgians towards those from Tennessee or Alabama or the Carolinas like you do in Texas when they are compared to anybody else. As for the relgion, once again, Oklahoma holds on to its relgion and has churches on every corner but thats right, as we just said, they're only a notch above a cow pie.
As for the southern charcterisitcs, religion is definitely a part of it but so is the cuisine, music, landscape, makeup of people, Texas far more diverse in its population than others. Ask those from the Valley or most of other Latino decent if they associate with the South and I wodner what response you would get.
Texans have always had their own way of thinking, some were linked to the South and some are not. Texas more independent thinking than most in the South and anywhere else in the country. Texans will in general not be told what to do by others and the same can't be said in the South. They mainly stick together from state to state.

Where do you live Farmer and when was the last time you spent a week in Atlanta?

[farmerfan]

Where do you live Farmer and when was the last time you spent a week in Atlanta?

I live in Texas. I have lived in Georgia. I spent a week in Atlanta not too long ago, Decemberish.
Why do you ask?

[cajun]

I live in Texas. I have lived in Georgia. I spent a week in Atlanta not too long ago, Decemberish.
Why do you ask?

I was just curious...I've been to Atlanta many times (probably should go more) and to me it has lost some of it's feel and "Southern Charm"...Atlanta is a cool city/new city don't get me wrong...But, it ain't the same, I got that and I don't even live there...

My sister who lives in Loganville, Ga (right outside Atlanta) tells me Atlanta is being taken over by the Yankees/Transplants...I can believe it-alot of opportunities there with alot of big name outfits....That's one reason I think Atlanta has never been a big "pro sports" city....

Anyways, just my opinion...

[farmerfan]

I was just curious...I've been to Atlanta many times (probably should go more) and to me it has lost some of it's feel and "Southern Charm"...Atlanta is a cool city/new city don't get me wrong...But, it ain't the same, I got that and I don't even live there...

My sister who lives in Loganville, Ga (right outside Atlanta) tells me Atlanta is being taken over by the Yankees/Transplants...I can believe it-alot of opportunities there with alot of big name outfits....That's one reason I think Atlanta has never been a big "pro sports" city....

Anyways, just my opinion...

Atlanta in general will never lose that southern feel to it. Atlanta is majority African-American and pretty much always been that way. Yes Atlanta is expanding and growing rapidly. The Atlanta MSA grew around 100% between 1990 and 2000 or something crazy like that. However with the general culture and makeup being strong in its southern roots Atlanta will always have that Southern feel to it. Just like despite Dallas and Houston being taken over my hispanics and northerners it will still always have that "Texas" feel and attitude in it too.

[BDB]

Atlanta in general will never lose that southern feel to it. Atlanta is majority African-American and pretty much always been that way. Yes Atlanta is expanding and growing rapidly. The Atlanta MSA grew around 100% between 1990 and 2000 or something crazy like that. However with the general culture and makeup being strong in its southern roots Atlanta will always have that Southern feel to it. Just like despite Dallas and Houston being taken over my hispanics and northerners it will still always have that "Texas" feel and attitude in it too.

we were here first. i'm just saying.

[cajun]

Atlanta in general will never lose that southern feel to it. .

I think you are counting too many of the Good Ole Boys that roll into Atlanta on a Friday night from the surrounding counties around Atlanta..Don't confuse those with what's actually happening IN Atlanta...

If my sister say the Yanks is taking over-the Yanks is taking over...:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

we were here first. i'm just saying.

HAHA
Some Germans might fight ya on that;)

[farmerfan]

I think you are counting too many of the Good Ole Boys that roll into Atlanta on a Friday night from the surrounding counties around Atlanta..Don't confuse those with what's actually happening IN Atlanta...

If my sister say the Yanks is taking over-the Yanks is taking over...:rolleyes:

What's actually happening in Atlanta that is changing?

The growth is in areas North and North East of Atlanta into Cobb, Gwinnett, DeKalb and other counties is where the corporations and opportunities are for those relocating to Atlanta. Buckhead is old Southern Money.
My cousins and aunt and uncle who have lived in Georgia there whole life still say Atlanta despite the yankees coming down has not lost its Southern feel or charm to it and if they say it, then its true :rolleyes:

[BDB]

HAHA
Some Germans might fight ya on that;)

6 flags over texas. who was #1?

[farmerfan]

6 flags over texas. who was #1?

Spain

[BDB]

Spain

my point exactly.

[cajun]

What's actually happening in Atlanta that is changing?

The growth is in areas North and North East of Atlanta into Cobb, Gwinnett, DeKalb and other counties is where the corporations and opportunities are for those relocating to Atlanta. Buckhead is old Southern Money.
My cousins and aunt and uncle who have lived in Georgia there whole life still say Atlanta despite the yankees coming down has not lost its Southern feel or charm to it and if they say it, then its true :rolleyes:

I'm just telling you what she said, you can believe it or not...Makes No difference to me...But, know this...

Half of the people in Atlanta today were born outside the South-half!..Do a google for yourself...

I think you have Atlanta mixed up with Savannah...Atlanta still has some Southern Stuff, but if you think Atlanta is that much different than Dallas you are kidding yourself and are on some kind of Southern Ego Coaster...

[farmerfan]

I'm just telling you what she said, you can believe it or not...Makes No difference to me...But, know this...

Half of the people in Atlanta today were born outside the South-half!..Do a google for yourself...

I think you have Atlanta mixed up with Savannah...Atlanta still has some Southern Stuff, but if you think Atlanta is that much different than Dallas you are kidding yourself and are on some kind of Southern Ego Coaster...

The people in the city of Atlanta no, the surrounding areas then yes half of them probably come from outside the south. Wonder what that says about Dallas and Houston? Both those cities growing at the same rate as Meto Atlanta. Atlanta as a city still more southern than Houston or Dallas is. Thats just fact. Based on the people of the city and the location of the city.
Having grown up in Dallas and spent a lot of time in Atlanta there are a lot of differences in the two cities than there are similarities.
Dont know where you are gettin the southern ego roller coaster from. I have not said a negative thing about either, just that Texas is different than the South. Too many people get confused with the Texan way of thinking being linked totally to Southern way of thinking. There is a difference in the Texas way of thinking than there is in the Southern way of thinking.

[farmerfan]

my point exactly.

Doesn't say much for your peole then since France was number 2;)

[slorch]

6 flags over texas. who was #1?

spain?

[slorch]

my point exactly.

might be relevant if your last name is Gusol...

[BDB]

Doesn't say much for your peole then since France was number 2;)

they're called "ricachones" and they never leave the interior of mexico...unless they're coming over here to buy stuff.

[farmerfan]

they're called "ricachones" and they never leave the interior of mexico...unless they're coming over here to buy stuff.

I always thoughts your last name was Lee or Park:confused:

[cajun]

The people in the city of Atlanta no, the surrounding areas then yes half of them probably come from outside the south. Wonder what that says about Dallas and Houston? Both those cities growing at the same rate as Meto Atlanta. Atlanta as a city still more southern than Houston or Dallas is. Thats just fact. Based on the people of the city and the location of the city.
Having grown up in Dallas and spent a lot of time in Atlanta there are a lot of differences in the two cities than there are similarities.
Dont know where you are gettin the southern ego roller coaster from. I have not said a negative thing about either, just that Texas is different than the South. Too many people get confused with the Texan way of thinking being linked totally to Southern way of thinking. There is a difference in the Texas way of thinking than there is in the Southern way of thinking.

Just seems like to me you are painting portions of the South (Atlanta in general) to be way different than Dallas or even Houston...Half the folks in the Atlanta AREA couldn't cook fried chicken if they read the box-maybe more really being everyone interested in the buck now up there...

There really aren't any people of the City of Atlanta anyways-you know that or should..

When people refer to "Atlanta" do you really think they are talking about buying a piece of fried chicken in downtown Atlanta?...Atlanta in itself is tiny, man-population wise....

[farmerfan]

Just seems like to me you are painting portions of the South (Atlanta in general) to be way different than Dallas or even Houston...Half the folks in the Atlanta AREA couldn't cook fried chicken-maybe more really being everyone interested in the buck now up there...

There really aren't any people of the City of Atlanta anyways-you know that or should..

When people refer to "Atlanta" do you really think they are talking about buying a piece of fried chicken in downtown Atlanta?...Atlanta in itself is tiny, man-population wise....

Yes Atlanta is tiny, smaller than Austin, El Paso and FW, Charlotte and other cities. Not much bigger than Arlington, Tx. I would honestly say more pople though in Atlanta know how to cook fried chicken than they do in Dallas or Houston.
You have never spent much time in Dallas have you? FW? There is not a single feel of the South here, from the people to the landscape to the culture. Nothing.
Atlanta is more known though for things such as grits, collared greens, boiled peanuts, friend chicken and what not than Dallas is. Dallas is known for Sunny Bryans and Chilis, Atlanta known for Zaxbys and Chick-Fil-A, despite Zaxbys being located in Athens.

[yankee]

i think texas used to be considered part of the deep south...definitely not anymore. that distiction belongs to loosyana, mississippi, bama, georgia and souf carolina. maybe parts of east texas, and southern north carolina and maybe even arkie. dunno, just my 2 cents.

[cajun]

Yes Atlanta is tiny, smaller than Austin, El Paso and FW, Charlotte and other cities. Not much bigger than Arlington, Tx. I would honestly say more pople though in Atlanta know how to cook fried chicken than they do in Dallas or Houston.
You have never spent much time in Dallas have you? FW? There is not a single feel of the South here, from the people to the landscape to the culture. Nothing.
Atlanta is more known though for things such as grits, collared greens, boiled peanuts, friend chicken and what not than Dallas is. Dallas is known for Sunny Bryans and Chilis, Atlanta known for Zaxbys and Chick-Fil-A, despite Zaxbys being located in Athens.

That could very well be true...Even though I think you could find an Applebee's or Friday's in Atlanta before you could find a 'Willie Mae's Chicken Joint...

Still, eating grits, collared greens, boiled peanuts, or friend chicken doesn't make Atlanta that much more hospitable than Dallas or even Houston...I'm pretty sure my sister knows what a "green" is, but I wouldn't wager much money on the rest of them...:cool:

Done here...

[farmerfan]

I was just curious...I've been to Atlanta many times (probably should go more) and to me it has lost some of it's feel and "Southern Charm"...Atlanta is a cool city/new city don't get me wrong...But, it ain't the same, I got that and I don't even live there...

My sister who lives in Loganville, Ga (right outside Atlanta) tells me Atlanta is being taken over by the Yankees/Transplants...I can believe it-alot of opportunities there with alot of big name outfits....That's one reason I think Atlanta has never been a big "pro sports" city....
Anyways, just my opinion...

Just to address that point. I think you make a good point and it validates some of hte things that the Southern cities hold on to.
Name me one true Southern city that has ever been a big pro sports town?
Birmingham?
Charlotte?
New Orleans?
Jackson?
Nashville?
Memphis?
Atlanta?
Atlanta the only one I can think of that has a long history of having multiple sports franchises but it still ID's istelf with UGA more so than it does with the Braves, Falcons, Hawks or Thrashers.
Dallas not so much. Houston either for that matter.

[farmerfan]

That could very well be true...Even though I think you could find an Applebee's or Friday's in Atlanta before you could find a 'Willie Mae's Chicken Joint...

Still, eating grits, collared greens, boiled peanuts, or friend chicken doesn't make Atlanta that much more hospitable than Dallas or even Houston...I'm pretty sure my sister knows what a "green" is, but I wouldn't wager much money on the rest of them...:cool:

Done here...

I can't think of more than maybe 2-3 places here in Dallas where you can find that. The extent of what we feel is Down Home cooking is what we find at Babes Chicken House. What makes Atlanta that much more hospitable than what I have found in Dallas and Houston is my trips to all three of those cities and spending a lot of time in two of those cities. I even have taken many friends from this area who comment on the same thing.
Funny story about one of our trips was we got home and were telling a friend of our how nice people were out there and one of the girls we know literally goes, what? I'm much nicer than those f'ing B:Censor:ches :eek::D

[Firebird]

The deep South is Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina. Parts of east Texas and the Florida Panhandle belong to that general culture as well. These were the cotton states that were longest dependent on plantation agriculture. Deep east Texas on over towards the Brazos valley was settled by 2nd sons of families from those states who instituted that sort culture and agriculture and way of life in those places. Places like Angelina County, Sabine county, Jefferson county are all very much Southern. That's the heritage, demographics, and culture.

Houston is the closest thing to a big Southern city we have, but in reality Houston is just Houston.

I've long said that Dallas is pretty much just a Midwestern city. They overcompensate by trying to act Texan to the Nth degree.


BTW, Farmer, you have your demographics of Texas all messed up. Dallas/FW is the largest metro area, then Houston, then San Antonio. SA, IMHO, is really and truly Texas. German, Mexican, Cowboy.....you have it all. San Antonio is really nothing at all like Phoenix. San Antonio has a real history to it and plenty of the people that live there are real San Antonians.

[farmerfan]

The deep South is Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina. Parts of east Texas and the Florida Panhandle belong to that general culture as well. These were the cotton states that were longest dependent on plantation agriculture. Deep east Texas on over towards the Brazos valley was settled by 2nd sons of families from those states who instituted that sort culture and agriculture and way of life in those places. Places like Angelina County, Sabine county, Jefferson county are all very much Southern. That's the heritage, demographics, and culture.

Houston is the closest thing to a big Southern city we have, but in reality Houston is just Houston.

I've long said that Dallas is pretty much just a Midwestern city. They overcompensate by trying to act Texan to the Nth degree.


BTW, Farmer, you have your demographics of Texas all messed up. Dallas/FW is the largest metro area, then Houston, then San Antonio. SA, IMHO, is really and truly Texas. German, Mexican, Cowboy.....you have it all. San Antonio is really nothing at all like Phoenix. San Antonio has a real history to it and plenty of the people that live there are real San Antonians.

Where do I have my demographics of Texdas all messed up?
DFW and Houston are the two largest metro areas in Texas and I have known that for years. DFW is the 4th largest metro area in teh country as of right now and on pace of passing Chicago in the next 10 years. Dallas is the third largest city in the state behind Houston and SA. SA closer to being in the likes of what you find in the SW than what you find in the South. I also realize that SA has a real history to it and it definitely would not fall in line with that of Southern history but in regards to Texas history.

As for the deep South, once again you and Um are wrong on what is considered the deep south. Cotton aside you have state such as South Carolina and Georgia that were and are still widely considered the deep south today. Texas and even the Florida panhandle have lost a lot of its "deep south" roots.

[slorch]

Texas and even the Florida panhandle have lost a lot of its "deep south" roots.

explain this one...please.

[slorch]

Just to address that point. I think you make a good point and it validates some of hte things that the Southern cities hold on to.
Name me one true Southern city that has ever been a big pro sports town?
Birmingham?
Charlotte?
New Orleans?
Jackson?
Nashville?
Memphis?
Atlanta?
Atlanta the only one I can think of that has a long history of having multiple sports franchises but it still ID's istelf with UGA more so than it does with the Braves, Falcons, Hawks or Thrashers.
Dallas not so much. Houston either for that matter.

Houston is a great sports town. No NHL, but the Aeros are in the conference finals...:D The Texans, Rockets, and Astros are all very well supported.

Houston is not a great college sports town, unless you want to include A&M and its cult in there...

[farmerfan]

explain this one...please.

What is there to explain? The population of Texas has shifted to the likes of San Antonio and Austin which are not nor have never been Southern. Dallas, never been southern, as I stated earlier and FB said a minute ago Dallas is more inline with being a Midwestern City than it is a southern city. FW once again not a southern city. Dallas being home to the largest population base of the state and they typically are not a southern way of thinking. That just leaves Houston and Houston while may be the closest thing to being Southern as it gets. Factor in the history of Texas as a whole and what the state has represented both pre and post civil war and Texas as whole has lost its southern charm. There is no way to explain it but that for the better part of the last 100 years as Texas has grown and and changed so have its people and identity.

[farmerfan]

Houston is a great sports town. No NHL, but the Aeros are in the conference finals...:D The Texans, Rockets, and Astros are all very well supported.

Houston is not a great college sports town, unless you want to include A&M and its cult in there...

Which I understand being a great sports town does not make or break ones Southerness but just about every major Southern city has never been a huge professional sports town. Charlotte always been a UNC town, Birmingham always been a Bama town, Atlanta always been a UGA town, Montgomery always been partial to Auburn same with Mobile. New Orleans pretty much alway been a LSU town. Little Rock always been a UA town.
Houston and Dallas have always had their professional sports to hold on to and have never been a great college sports town outside for one maybe two weekends a year in Dalls during football season.

[slorch]

What is there to explain? The population of Texas has shifted to the likes of San Antonio and Austin which are not nor have never been Southern. Dallas, never been southern, as I stated earlier and FB said a minute ago Dallas is more inline with being a Midwestern City than it is a southern city. FW once again not a southern city. Dallas being home to the largest population base of the state and they typically are not a southern way of thinking. That just leaves Houston and Houston while may be the closest thing to being Southern as it gets. Factor in the history of Texas as a whole and what the state has represented both pre and post civil war and Texas as whole has lost its southern charm. There is no way to explain it but that for the better part of the last 100 years as Texas has grown and and changed so have its people and identity.

I don't get it.

Texas still has some awesome people and culture. You need to come down and hit some dance halls/ Live music bars, and BBQ joints this summer and reinvigorate your understanding of Texas.

If you don't think we're Southern any more by one man's estimation, who cares? It's still a big factor in who we are. We're Texan, and I honestly wouldn't rather live anywhere else in the world.

[yankee]

explain this one...please.

texas culture has been diluted by more and more outsiders moving to the state, like me. ;)

[farmerfan]

I don't get it.

Texas still has some awesome people and culture. You need to come down and hit some dance halls/ Live music bars, and BBQ joints this summer and reinvigorate your understanding of Texas.

If you don't think we're Southern any more by one man's estimation, who cares? It's still a big factor in who we are. We're Texan, and I honestly wouldn't rather live anywhere else in the world.

Which I think is lost in all I have said. I said earlier that Texas is Texas. Always has been and always will be. There is a sense of independent thinking in a lot of Texans not seen in other people in the country. I have never said there is anything wrong with not being labled Southern and being labled Texans instead. I have never said anything wrong with the people from Houston, or San Antonio or Ft Worth or West Texas or East Texas. Just Austin and Dallas. I have drank many beers in a dance halls with some mighty fine Texans and enjoyed many fine BBQ joints. I dont think I have insulted Texas or Texans one time on here and if you think I did I apologize. Texas should be proud of its heritage and the things that have made it who we are. Nothing wrong with it at all. Texas is a damn fine place to live and raise a family.

[slorch]

texas culture has been diluted by more and more outsiders moving to the state, like me. ;)

so far we've been able to handle it...even you.;):D

(BTW, I was born in Colorado)I am pretty sure I assimilated into Texas culture pretty well, so don't tell me all of the transplants are ruining it.

Some of them moved here because they wanted to be a part of it, not to change it to be like where they came from.

[slorch]

Which I think is lost in all I have said. I said earlier that Texas is Texas. Always has been and always will be. There is a sense of independent thinking in a lot of Texans not seen in other people in the country. I have never said there is anything wrong with not being labled Southern and being labled Texans instead. I have never said anything wrong with the people from Houston, or San Antonio or Ft Worth or West Texas or East Texas. Just Austin and Dallas. I have drank many beers in a dance halls with some mighty fine Texans and enjoyed many fine BBQ joints. I dont think I have insulted Texas or Texans one time on here and if you think I did I apologize. Texas should be proud of its heritage and the things that have made it who we are. Nothing wrong with it at all. Texas is a damn fine place to live and raise a family.

you're still wrong...;):D

[farmerfan]

you're still wrong...;):D

Definitely not the first time nor will it be the last.

I am sorry I offended you by making fun of Dallas and Austin. I know those places are close to ya :eek::D

[cajun]

I know in the Vieux Carre if you wanna change your roof shingles ,replace your gutters and even front doors if they don't all meet the Vieux Carre "code" the city will come rip that crap right off...AND, it will cost you some major bucks...

That keeping things the same, brother! :D

Probably that way in parts of San Antonio also...

[Firebird]

Where do I have my demographics of Texdas all messed up?
DFW and Houston are the two largest metro areas in Texas and I have known that for years. DFW is the 4th largest metro area in teh country as of right now and on pace of passing Chicago in the next 10 years. Dallas is the third largest city in the state behind Houston and SA. SA closer to being in the likes of what you find in the SW than what you find in the South. I also realize that SA has a real history to it and it definitely would not fall in line with that of Southern history but in regards to Texas history.

As for the deep South, once again you and Um are wrong on what is considered the deep south. Cotton aside you have state such as South Carolina and Georgia that were and are still widely considered the deep south today. Texas and even the Florida panhandle have lost a lot of its "deep south" roots.

The largest metro area in the state being Dallas is very midwestern and more like KC than it is like Atlanta. SA the second largest city in the state is more like Phoenix or cities you will find in either Mexico or the Southwest US than it is Richmond or Charlotte.

SA is the 3rd largest city in the state. Houston is the largest city D/FW the largest metro area. That's wher eyou have it messed up. East Texas is most definitely "deep South". Perhaps at points West you have lost the southern identity, but not in places like Tyler, Marshall, Lufkin, Longview, Jasper, etc. Those cities all have far more in common with a place like Shreveport or Biloxi than they do an Odessa or New Braunfels or Lubbock.

[farmerfan]

SA is the 3rd largest city in the state. Houston is the largest city D/FW the largest metro area. That's wher eyou have it messed up. East Texas is most definitely "deep South". Perhaps at points West you have lost the southern identity, but not in places like Tyler, Marshall, Lufkin, Longview, Jasper, etc. Those cities all have far more in common with a place like Shreveport or Biloxi than they do an Odessa or New Braunfels or Lubbock.

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Once you get West of Tyler there is hardly anything Southern about Texas Said on page 1.

Where did I ever say that the DFW Metro area was not the largest in the state?
Alos if you took athe area from I-45/US75 to I-35 then I would be willing to wager that you would find roughly 80% of the population of Texas residing within a few miles of that stretch of land.

[slorch]

Insert fail pic please.

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Said on page 1.

Where did I ever say that the DFW Metro area was not the largest in the state?
Alos if you took athe area from I-45/US75 to I-35 then I would be willing to wager that you would find roughly 80% of the population of Texas residing within a few miles of that stretch of land.
that area's bigger than some states.

what's youir point?

[Firebird]

Insert fail pic please.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

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Said on page 1.

Where did I ever say that the DFW Metro area was not the largest in the state?
Alos if you took athe area from I-45/US75 to I-35 then I would be willing to wager that you would find roughly 80% of the population of Texas residing within a few miles of that stretch of land.

I stand corrected.

[yankee]

so far we've been able to handle it...even you.;):D

(BTW, I was born in Colorado)I am pretty sure I assimilated into Texas culture pretty well, so don't tell me all of the transplants are ruining it.

Some of them moved here because they wanted to be a part of it, not to change it to be like where they came from.

people don't come here to CHANGE texas culture.

they just have a different way of going about life...eventually more and more people start coming, and this place becomes more of a "melting pot" of sorts. at least the suburbs are.

[Firebird]

The real question is why anyone in Texas is demanding to be lumped in with the 'billies out in Alabama and Georgia. We like our dentistry and indoor plumbing.:D

[slorch]

The real question is why anyone in Texas is demanding to be lumped in with the 'billies out in Alabama and Georgia. We like our dentistry and indoor plumbing.:D

Ole heritage snob just up and decommissioned us from the South...

Very well. It was an upgrade...for them.

[Firebird]

Ole heritage snob just up and decommissioned us from the South...

Very well. It was an upgrade...for them.

Just proof of the incestuous attitude out in the pines.....;)


No need for Texas to hitch its wagon to any other part of the country anyway.

[cajun]

Confederate States of America Conference aka CSAC

South Carolina
Mississippi
Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Louisiana (long for LSU)
Texas
Virginia
Arkansas
Tennessee
North Carolina
Kentucky (in-border rule)

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[slorch]

Confederate States of America Conference aka CSAC

South Carolina
Mississippi
Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Louisiana (long for LSU)
Texas
Virginia
Arkansas
Tennessee
North Carolina
Kentucky (in-border rule)

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You have to take the most backwards school in Texas for that conference.

I present you with: Texas Agricultural and Mechanical University
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[farmerfan]

that area's bigger than some states.

what's youir point?

That there is a lot of diversity and culture that is lumped in that land. San Antonio, Austin, Ft Worth, Dallas and The Valley will be found in that part of land. I highly doubt if you make it down to San Antonio and the Valley they would say yes we are "southern". Same with Austin and FW. Dallas, hell they have their own attitude to where they just assume their a mix between NY and L.A with some Chicago mixed in for good measure. Thats my point. You go anywhere in the South and you will not find the diversity that is seen in those cities and the differenct culture that each possess.

[farmerfan]

I stand corrected.

Since its not often this happens. Let me make myself a drink and toast myself :D

[cajun]

You go anywhere in the South and you will not find the diversity that is seen in those cities and the differenct culture that each possess.

Miami?...:eek:

Dallas more southern than Miami...Really, it is...

[farmerfan]

The real question is why anyone in Texas is demanding to be lumped in with the 'billies out in Alabama and Georgia. We like our dentistry and indoor plumbing.:D

That is actually a little somthing I have been trying to figure out.
I mean most times you talk to a Texan they get offended when you lump them in with any part of the country and not just say, well you're Texas.
Next thing I know we'll be seeing a lot more Swoop haircuts walking around this state to go along those same people popping their colars on their pink polo shirts and knee high shorts

[farmerfan]

Miami?...:eek:

Dallas more southern than Miami...Really, it is...

What's Miami?

I'll actually concede that point but once you get past Jacksonville not much thats southern about Florida.

[slorch]

What's Miami?

I'll actually concede that point but once you get past Jacksonville not much thats southern about Florida.

except the whole state...:rolleyes:

[cajun]

except the whole state...:rolleyes:

Kinda what I was thinking really...

[farmerfan]

except the whole state...:rolleyes:

Location, sure, other than that, no. Not much that's Southern about Orlando, Tampa, Ft Lauderdale, Miami. Once you get out of the panhandle and south of Jacksonville, Florida like Texas takes on its own identity.

[yankee]

Location, sure, other than that, no. Not much that's Southern about Orlando, Tampa, Ft Lauderdale, Miami. Once you get out of the panhandle and south of Jacksonville, Florida like Texas takes on its own identity.

trust me. millions of retired jewish new yorkers really gives the sense of the south. :rolleyes:;)

[Firebird]

You have to take the most backwards school in Texas for that conference.

I present you with: Texas Agricultural and Mechanical University


He's thinking about his cousin. Perfect fit for the SEC.

http://www.barnezy.com/Pics/Texas%20Tech%20Bell%20Ringer.jpg

[farmerfan]

trust me. millions of retired jewish new yorkers really gives the sense of the south. :rolleyes:;)

HAHAHA. I know right :notworthy
Also Texas and Florida only two states where Catholics outnumber Southern Baptist. Yeah, Catholicism is real prevalent with the South too.

[cajun]

trust me. millions of retired jewish new yorkers really gives the sense of the south. :rolleyes:;)

You want some good pizza?-go to Florida...(lol)

[Firebird]

HAHA
Some Germans might fight ya on that;)

Mexicans (both halves of 'em) were here long before any burghers showed up.

[Firebird]

they're called "ricachones" and they never leave the interior of mexico...unless they're coming over here to buy stuff.

Firebird likes him some fresas.......

[cajun]

Location, sure, other than that, no. Not much that's Southern about Orlando, Tampa, Ft Lauderdale, Miami. Once you get out of the panhandle and south of Jacksonville, Florida like Texas takes on its own identity.

Jacksonville used to be home to some of the purest Southern Rock around ....I'll give them that...

Blackfoot-Train Train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMclpOK7a2w

[BDB]

Firebird likes him some fresas.......

too much trouble.

elprez don't got the money to be buyin their buchanan's (pronounced boo kah nah s) all night. i'll take me a skeeza that likes well drinks...

[slorch]

Since its not often this happens. Let me make myself a drink and toast myself :D

takes a lot of self discipline to sit in an oven...

[slorch]

Location, sure, other than that, no. Not much that's Southern about Orlando, Tampa, Ft Lauderdale, Miami. Once you get out of the panhandle and south of Jacksonville, Florida like Texas takes on its own identity.

not really. It's just an extension of NY.

[pied]

Having spent a good portion of my youth in southern Mississippi, I can assure you that there is a a huge difference between DFW as well as the majority of Texas, and the deep South of Miss/AL/GA etc.

[cajun]

Having spent a good portion of my youth in southern Mississippi, I can assure you that there is a a huge difference between DFW as well as the majority of Texas, and the deep South of Miss/AL/GA etc.

So, is that the proof Texas is not a "Southern State"?

There is a huge difference between Southern Mississippi and Atlanta also...There is probably a huge difference between Southern Mississippi and the rest of the free world except maybe South Louisiana....:cool:

[Firebird]

So, is that the proof Texas is not a "Southern State"?

There is a huge difference between Southern Mississippi and Atlanta also...There is probably a huge difference between Southern Mississippi and the rest of the free world except maybe South Louisiana....:cool:

I hear that Decatur and Huntsville and the like are a bit different from Mobile...lots of Union sympathizers up there. Alabama isn't really a southern state, IMHO.....

[cajun]

I hear that Decatur and Huntsville and the like are a bit different from Mobile...lots of Union sympathizers up there. Alabama isn't really a southern state, IMHO.....

That's a good point...

Let me ask you this...

If the South had won the War would Texas be more "southern"? :eek:

[pied]

So, is that the proof Texas is not a "Southern State"?

There is a huge difference between Southern Mississippi and Atlanta also...There is probably a huge difference between Southern Mississippi and the rest of the free world except maybe South Louisiana....:cool:

I saw a lot of similarities between Mississippi in Arkasas when I was there last weekend.

[Firebird]

I saw a lot of similarities between Mississippi in Arkasas when I was there last weekend.

Some similarities with the UK, as well, in terms of teeth....

[cajun]

I saw a lot of similarities between Mississippi in Arkasas when I was there last weekend.

A bunch of rinky dink little towns, most likely...:D

Anyways, I don't really think you can compare these large southern metropolitan areas where 25 families may move in from Chicago any given day to some of these one redlight towns where people have lived for 150 years and say this or that...The only outsiders most of the smaller towns see are the people passing by headed to the casinos and beach.....

The South is made up of many rinky dinks, like Texas is...

[farmerfan]

A bunch of rinky dink little towns, most likely...:D

Anyways, I don't really think you can compare these large southern metropolitan areas where 25 families may move in from Chicago any given day to some of these one redlight towns where people have lived for 150 years and say this or that...The only outsiders most of the smaller towns see are the people passing by headed to the casinos and beach.....

The South is made up of many rinky dinks, like Texas is...

Texas not made up of rinky dink towns like the rest of the South.
Texas has 3 cities in top 10 most populated in the country which is tied for most with California and more in the top 25 with 6 than any other state in the country. Texas has second most citieis with 100,000+ to california. Texas has 13 of the largest 120 in the country too making up for more than 10% of that figure.

[Firebird]

Texas not made up of rinky dink towns like the rest of the South.
Texas has 3 cities in top 10 most populated in the country which is tied for most with California and more in the top 25 with 6 than any other state in the country. Texas has second most citieis with 100,000+ to california. Texas has 13 of the largest 120 in the country too making up for more than 10% of that figure.

Texas is also the 2nd largest state in the nation in terms of both people and area, so it stands to reason we would have more big cities.

A more accurate comparison would be to compare the % of the population living in a major metor area/city of 100K plus across states. I would bet that it would be higher than perhaps Mississippi or South Carolina, about the same for a place like Georgia, NC, or Alabama.

[cajun]

not really. It's just an extension of NY.

A pretty good read...I dunno how to post PDF files, but you can read more by searching: South but not Southern By John Shelton Reed
"(Many have come by way of Florida and are known as "halfbacks" because they've moved halfway back to where they came from.) "...http://smileydatabase.com/smilies/532.gif

Small Portion
When I look around me in North Carolina these days, what I see is new jobs, new subdivisions, new shopping centers, new people, and new problems, too-especially ecological ones. In the 1990s North Carolina's population grew by 21 percent, an increase almost as great as Florida's 24 percent. Yankees are retiring to our mountains, to our coast, to our golfing communities in between. (Many have come by way of Florida and are known as "halfbacks" because they've moved halfway back to where they came from.) Our "Hispanic" population quadrupled between 1990 and 2000, to some 5 percent of the total-and these are the ones we know about. Throughout the South, we're having to adjust to unprecedented religious diversity-not just more Catholics and Jews but more Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists. (One reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution offered a characteristically "Southern" response: She wrote an etiquette book on how to deal with non-Christian friends.)

[farmerfan]

That's a good point...

Let me ask you this...

If the South had won the War would Texas be more "southern"? :eek:

It has nothing to do with the war and or who won or would have won. We are talking about the now and now Texas is not the South. It's Texas. Its a clash of cultures mixed into one that has kept its Texas roots from the early 1800's. You really haven't spent much time over here have you?

[farmerfan]

Texas is also the 2nd largest state in the nation in terms of both people and area, so it stands to reason we would have more big cities.

A more accurate comparison would be to compare the % of the population living in a major metor area/city of 100K plus across states. I would bet that it would be higher than perhaps Mississippi or South Carolina, about the same for a place like Georgia, NC, or Alabama.

Major metro areas are considered 100,000 now?
News to me.

You could take Interstate 35 and everything East of it and you would have a state roughly the same size as Georgia in land and a population that would still double that of what you would find in Georgia.
Georgia only has 5 cities of 100,000 people, Atlanta, Augusta, Savannah, Columbus and Athens. Compare that to the area of Texas just from 35 to the East and you would have something like 21 cities that fit that same mold. While I see what you're saying the rinky dink towns of Texas are dying a slow death while the cities have gained steem.
If you have th tools to do your search and compare it though I would be interested in seeing it.

[cajun]

A pretty good read...I dunno how to post PDF files, but you can read more by searching: South but not Southern By John Shelton Reed
"(Many have come by way of Florida and are known as "halfbacks" because they've moved halfway back to where they came from.) "...http://smileydatabase.com/smilies/532.gif

Small Portion
When I look around me in North Carolina these days, what I see is new jobs, new subdivisions, new shopping centers, new people, and new problems, too-especially ecological ones. In the 1990s North Carolina's population grew by 21 percent, an increase almost as great as Florida's 24 percent. Yankees are retiring to our mountains, to our coast, to our golfing communities in between. (Many have come by way of Florida and are known as "halfbacks" because they've moved halfway back to where they came from.) Our "Hispanic" population quadrupled between 1990 and 2000, to some 5 percent of the total-and these are the ones we know about. Throughout the South, we're having to adjust to unprecedented religious diversity-not just more Catholics and Jews but more Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists. (One reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution offered a characteristically "Southern" response: She wrote an etiquette book on how to deal with non-Christian friends.)

Of course, a major factor in making Florida less southern-politically and otherwise-has been the influx of non-southern residents that began in earnest with the land boom of the 1920s. As early as 1930, some 30 percent of Florida's residents had been born outside the South. (Among other southern states only Virginia, at 11 percent, was in double digits.) By 1980, a majority (51 percent) of Florida's residents had been born
born
outside the South. These newcomers brought "non-Southern" ways with them; and they settled in concentrations large enough that they were able to sustain these "non-Southern" ways and pass them on to succeeding generations.
And the "non-Southern" ways they brought came in many different flavors. Even before the 1920s, Florida was the most ethnically diverse of the southern states (with the possible exception of Texas, which had, of course, a lot more room in which to be diverse).

[JagFan]

A pretty good read...I dunno how to post PDF files, but you can read more by searching: South but not Southern By John Shelton Reed
"(Many have come by way of Florida and are known as "halfbacks" because they've moved halfway back to where they came from.) "...http://smileydatabase.com/smilies/532.gif

Small Portion
When I look around me in North Carolina these days, what I see is new jobs, new subdivisions, new shopping centers, new people, and new problems, too-especially ecological ones. In the 1990s North Carolina's population grew by 21 percent, an increase almost as great as Florida's 24 percent. Yankees are retiring to our mountains, to our coast, to our golfing communities in between. (Many have come by way of Florida and are known as "halfbacks" because they've moved halfway back to where they came from.) Our "Hispanic" population quadrupled between 1990 and 2000, to some 5 percent of the total-and these are the ones we know about. Throughout the South, we're having to adjust to unprecedented religious diversity-not just more Catholics and Jews but more Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists. (One reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution offered a characteristically "Southern" response: She wrote an etiquette book on how to deal with non-Christian friends.)

My brother-in-law just had a job interview in Asheville. He said it was beautiful with lots of golf courses. And one the few areas in the country hiring. He is a mechanical engineer with a masters in robotics from MIT. He is pretty specialized so it looks like they will be moving from the Boston area to Asheville.

He did laugh and had to ask the guy interviewing him what half-backs were. So he will kind of feel at home coming from Boston and before that Long Island area.

[cajun]

It has nothing to do with the war and or who won or would have won. We are talking about the now and now Texas is not the South. It's Texas. Its a clash of cultures mixed into one that has kept its Texas roots from the early 1800's. You really haven't spent much time over here have you?

Sure it does, only you don't know it...

Spent alittle time, but don't seem to be the expert you are...Don't claim to be one anyways...

I'm also not talking about cities, I'm talking small small towns-Texas has none?

The point is you are making Texas into a New York, when you should be on Florida...

[farmerfan]

A pretty good read...I dunno how to post PDF files, but you can read more by searching: South but not Southern By John Shelton Reed
"(Many have come by way of Florida and are known as "halfbacks" because they've moved halfway back to where they came from.) "...http://smileydatabase.com/smilies/532.gif

Small Portion
When I look around me in North Carolina these days, what I see is new jobs, new subdivisions, new shopping centers, new people, and new problems, too-especially ecological ones. In the 1990s North Carolina's population grew by 21 percent, an increase almost as great as Florida's 24 percent. Yankees are retiring to our mountains, to our coast, to our golfing communities in between. (Many have come by way of Florida and are known as "halfbacks" because they've moved halfway back to where they came from.) Our "Hispanic" population quadrupled between 1990 and 2000, to some 5 percent of the total-and these are the ones we know about. Throughout the South, we're having to adjust to unprecedented religious diversity-not just more Catholics and Jews but more Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists. (One reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution offered a characteristically "Southern" response: She wrote an etiquette book on how to deal with non-Christian friends.)

Your boy Shelton makes the claim that while Florida being the most southern state is the least Southern state as well. Something you yourself tried to argue just last night.
I guess the South no more. Dixie gone.

[cajun]

My brother-in-law just had a job interview in Asheville. He said it was beautiful with lots of golf courses. And one the few areas in the country hiring. He is a mechanical engineer with a masters in robotics from MIT. He is pretty specialized so it looks like they will be moving from the Boston area to Asheville.

He did laugh and had to ask the guy interviewing him what half-backs were. So he will kind of feel at home coming from Boston and before that Long Island area.

Good luck to him and family...Pretty part of the country there...

[cajun]

Your boy Shelton makes the claim that while Florida being the most southern state is the least Southern state as well. Something you yourself tried to argue just last night.
I guess the South no more. Dixie gone.

I'm not arguing anything...Just pointing out to you that the "New South" ain't far behind Texas...

Evidently you didn't get the memo on the "New South"...

[Firebird]

Major metro areas are considered 100,000 now?
News to me.

You could take Interstate 35 and everything East of it and you would have a state roughly the same size as Georgia in land and a population that would still double that of what you would find in Georgia.
Georgia only has 5 cities of 100,000 people, Atlanta, Augusta, Savannah, Columbus and Athens. Compare that to the area of Texas just from 35 to the East and you would have something like 21 cities that fit that same mold. While I see what you're saying the rinky dink towns of Texas are dying a slow death while the cities have gained steem.
If you have th tools to do your search and compare it though I would be interested in seeing it.

Here you are, for Georgia and Texas:

Approximately 65% of Texas population lives in the Houston, D/FW, SA, Austin, or El Paso MSA.

Approximately 60% of Georgia's population lives in the Atlanta or Augusta MSA. The Augusta MSA is 500,00+. More than 50% of the entire state lives in the Atlanta MSA alone, about what you would get if you just took Houston, D/FW, and SA.

Yup, Georgia sure is a bastion of the small-town south when compared to Texas though.....:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

Sure it does, only you don't know it...

Spent alittle time, but don't seem to be the expert you are...Don't claim to be one anyways...

I'm also not talking about cities, I'm talking small small towns-Texas has none?

The point is you are making Texas into a New York, when you should be on Florida...

The population shifts of Texas has changed incredibly since the War between States. 80% of the Texas population lives East of Interstate 35 and Texas has become more of a urban state than a rural state in that time frame as well.
Just take the following Metro-Areas
Dallas-FW
Houston
San Antonio
Austin

DFW - 6.3 MILLION people
Houston - 5.7 Million people
San Antonio - 2 million people
Austin - 1.5 million

That's 16.5 million people out of a state population of 22 million.

If you factor in Corpus, McAllen-Mission, Harlingen-Brownsville and Beaumont-Port Arthur then thats another 1.8 million which then brings roughly 18.3 million people out of 22.

There are still small towns but gone is the DQ and its been replaced by the Chilis. Texas is NY in its shifts to the population center now being larger cities and good size metros
Those four metro areas account for

[farmerfan]

Here you are, for Georgia and Texas:

Approximately 65% of Texas population lives in the Houston, D/FW, SA, Austin, or El Paso MSA.

Approximately 60% of Georgia's population lives in the Atlanta or Augusta MSA. The Augusta MSA is 500,00+. More than 50% of the entire state lives in the Atlanta MSA alone, about what you would get if you just took Houston, D/FW, and SA.

Yup, Georgia sure is a bastion of the small-town south when compared to Texas though.....:rolleyes:

How many people in the Augusta MSA are in South Carolina and not Georgia?

[farmerfan]

Also the Atlanta MSA much different than most other MSA's. The Atlanta MSA covers an area larger than the state of Massachusetts, and something around 28 counties. It equals something close to 8300 square miles or something like that. Go to some of the counties and areas they are including in the Atlanta MSA and you will wonder how the heck they are considered Atlanta. Especially those that are Northwest of the city.

[Firebird]

How many people in the Augusta MSA are in South Carolina and not Georgia?

1. Proportionally few, most of the places on that side of the line are small. It would knock off less than 100K of the total.
2. It doesn't really matter since you are arguing about the all over feel of the place. The point is that most of Georgia's population lives in or around a major metropolitan area, just like in Texas. I'd imagine that plenty of those little towns in the South are clearing out, too.

[cajun]

There are still small towns but gone is the DQ and its been replaced by the Chilis. Texas is NY in its shifts to the population center now being larger cities and good size metros
Those four metro areas account for

I watch the Texas High School Football highight show every Saturday at 9AM-been watching them for years...Haven't missed a DQ Big Game of the week yet..DQ lives!...:D

[Firebird]

Also the Atlanta MSA much different than most other MSA's. The Atlanta MSA covers an area larger than the state of Massachusetts, and something around 28 counties. It equals something close to 8300 square miles or something like that. Go to some of the counties and areas they are including in the Atlanta MSA and you will wonder how the heck they are considered Atlanta. Especially those that are Northwest of the city.

Atlanta MSA is about 8,000 square miles, the Houston MSA is 10,000. There are parts of Galveston or Liberty county that I wonder how they are considered Houston. So what's your point? You're changing the rules as you go along.

[Firebird]

Oh, yeah, the D/FW MSA is larger, area wise, than Hotlanta as well.

[farmerfan]

I'm not arguing anything...Just pointing out to you that the "New South" ain't far behind Texas...

Evidently you didn't get the memo on the "New South"...

I've got the memo on the New South. Texas long been gone from "The New South" Texas with its diversity and culture do not make it a southern state. Tell me where can I find an El Paso or San Antonio or Laredo or Brownsville in the South? Austin? Dallas? I can't. Thats the thing the lifestyles in those cities are far differnt than what you find in places such as Birmingham, Charlotte, Atlanta, Montgomery, Mobile and Charleston

[farmerfan]

1. Proportionally few, most of the places on that side of the line are small. It would knock off less than 100K of the total.
2. It doesn't really matter since you are arguing about the all over feel of the place. The point is that most of Georgia's population lives in or around a major metropolitan area, just like in Texas. I'd imagine that plenty of those little towns in the South are clearing out, too.

The overall feel is still south.
Small town may be clearing out, I think more pepole are now living in cities than rurual areas in the entire country. However that has done nothing to change the culture of Atlatna and or Georgia being a Southern state just like those who have moved into to Texas from California, Chichago, NY or whereever they have come from have not done anything to take away the Texas feel from it.

[farmerfan]

Atlanta MSA is about 8,000 square miles, the Houston MSA is 10,000. There are parts of Galveston or Liberty county that I wonder how they are considered Houston. So what's your point? You're changing the rules as you go along.

How am I changing the rules?
Go to whats considered the Atlanta MSA and tell me it is apart of the Atlatna MSA. They say its a 28 county area and begins at the Alabama state line. ANybody who has driven that will tell you that simply is not the case. Especially on the Western border with Alabama. They include parts of Georgia that many would have a hard time labeling Atlanta.
Compare that to what is considered the Dallas-FW MSA. It is much larger in size of where the cities and suburbs start becoming one than what you wiill find as you drive into Atlanta.

[farmerfan]

Oh, yeah, the D/FW MSA is larger, area wise, than Hotlanta as well.

The area they are including with D-FW is more apart of DFW than what they include for Hotlanta. You haven't spent much time in either so I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
The only exception that I would not include in the DFW metroplex that they do would be Wise and Ellis country simply because once you cross Interstate 20 on I-45 then it is dead until you get to Ennis. That said the other areas are more apart of the D-FW metroplex in that you can't tell where one ends and the other begins than there is in Atlanta. Go West of Downtown on 20 and or anything West of Cobb Parkwary in Cobb County and it makes you wonder how you are in Atlanta or the Atlanta MSA. Especially when they are considering part all the way to the Alabama state line in that MSA.

[farmerfan]

I just noticed that they are also inclduing Walton, Newton and Barrow counties for the Atlanta MSA. Seriously have to LOL at that. That would be like the Dallas-FW area including Lamar in their MSA or Grayson. All three of those conties very close to Oconee County/Athens-Clarke County and there is nothing Atlanta or metroplois about anything in those three countines. Same with just about everything else outside of Cobb, DeKalb, Fulton, Gwinnett and Clayton countinues. Which is what most do consider to be the Metro Atlanta area. Not the other 23 counties.

[JagFan]

Good luck to him and family...Pretty part of the country there...

Thanks. I am excited because they will be a whole lot closer. However, I have never had a bad visit to Boston or New York. Good food and lots to do. They just don't think the same way about high school football as we do.

[Firebird]

The area they are including with D-FW is more apart of DFW than what they include for Hotlanta. You haven't spent much time in either so I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
The only exception that I would not include in the DFW metroplex that they do would be Wise and Ellis country simply because once you cross Interstate 20 on I-45 then it is dead until you get to Ennis. That said the other areas are more apart of the D-FW metroplex in that you can't tell where one ends and the other begins than there is in Atlanta. Go West of Downtown on 20 and or anything West of Cobb Parkwary in Cobb County and it makes you wonder how you are in Atlanta or the Atlanta MSA. Especially when they are considering part all the way to the Alabama state line in that MSA.

So now it's just what farmer feels like is in the MSA that counts.....have you ever driven across the ten counties of Houston--Sugarland--Baytown? Get out in the outer reaches of Waller, Liberty, Chambers, San Jacinto County? Much the same effect.

Give it up. Alabama and Mississippi might be clinging on to that old Southern heritage, but Georgia sure as hell isn't. Plenty of yankees there, too....and yes, I have been there.

Atlanta MSA ain't that different from Houston....nearly all of the people are all clustered right next to each other in Cobb, Fulton, Cherokee, Dekalb, Gwinnett, Forsyth, etc....Sure, at the outer reaches things start clearing out.. same as everywhere. Nothing special about Atlanta.

[farmerfan]

So now it's just what farmer feels like is in the MSA that counts.....have you ever driven across the ten counties of Houston--Sugarland--Baytown? Get out in the outer reaches of Waller, Liberty, Chambers, San Jacinto County? Much the same effect.

Give it up. Alabama and Mississippi might be clinging on to that old Southern heritage, but Georgia sure as hell isn't. Plenty of yankees there, too....and yes, I have been there.

Atlanta MSA ain't that different from Houston....nearly all of the people are all clustered right next to each other in Cobb, Fulton, Cherokee, Dekalb, Gwinnett, Forsyth, etc....Sure, at the outer reaches things start clearing
out.. same as everywhere. Nothing special about Atlanta.

Big difference in Forsyth and Cherokee than there is in Gwinnett, Cobb, DeKalb, Fulton and Clayton counties. Those areas are far more developed than Forsyth and Cherokee counties are.
No its not what farmer feels like either. For years the heart of the Atlanta MSA has always been conidered to be the 5 counties of Cobb, Fulton, Gwinnett, Clayton and DeKalb. MARTA which is one of the better mass transits organizations in the entire country even recogonizes this as they do not operate outside of 4 of those 5 counties. There is huge drop off from metropolitan once you leave those five counties. I highly doubt you have spent much time in Forsyth or Cherokee counties. If you take away what MARTA which is Metro Atlanta Rapid Transportation Authority to be considered the Atlanta Metro areas then you would have a population of around, 3.5 million which is close to 40% smaller than what the census bureau is considering to be Metro Atlanta. Trust me this isn't just what farmer is going by either. But then again what does MARTA know or those closely associated with Atlanta for that matter?


I am not familar with Houston as I am with Dallas or Atlanta so I will not attempt to discuss what they are saying about Houston. Ill take your word for it though if the outlying areas of Waller, Liberty, Fort Bend counties and others are that way.

[cajun]

DQ lives!....:cool:

Texas is home to the largest number of Dairy Queens in the U.S

http://www.dqtexas.com/indexcont.htm


Hey, Ya'll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hea-mB3nMec

[farmerfan]

Atlanta MSA ain't that different from Houston....nearly all of the people are all clustered right next to each other in Cobb, Fulton, Cherokee, Dekalb, Gwinnett, Forsyth, etc....Sure, at the outer reaches things start clearing out.. same as everywhere. Nothing special about Atlanta.

Dallas seen as 6.3 million
Atlanta seen as 5.4 million

Dallas has city population of 1.2 million people, followed by FW with 650,000, Arlington with 350,000, Plano with 280,000, Garland with 225,000, Irving with 200,000. Thats 3 million right there and I dont know anybody that would say those are not including in Dallas-FW.
Mesquite - 135,000
Richardson - 101,000
McKinney - 115,000
Grand Prairie - 155,000
Frisco - 101,000
Denton - 115,000
Carrollton - 123,000
Lewisville-FM-HV - 160,000
Allen - 90,000
Thats another 1.1 million that brings Dallas up to 4.1 million and thats not even inclduing the other towns that are under 100,000 people such as Farmers Branch, Balch Springs, Wylie, Murphy, The Colony, Hurst, EUless, Bedford, North Richland Hills, Haltom, Grapevine, Colleyville, Southlake, Keller, Corinth, Lake Dallas, Coppell, Duncanville, DeSoto, Rockwall, Rowlett, Mansfield, Sachse, Highland Park, University Park, and others. Those cities alone would add close to another million plus people. And every single one of those cities would be considered apart of the actual Metroplex and would bring what the MSA is being estimated at within a million people. Cherokee county is Ga and Forsyth much more inclined to be like Gainesville, Tx in Cooke Co, Tx than it is to be like Denton or Collin counties.

[farmerfan]

DQ lives!....:cool:

Texas is home to the largest number of Dairy Queens in the U.S

http://www.dqtexas.com/indexcont.htm


Hey, Ya'll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hea-mB3nMec

lewisville not texas anymore then cause there is no more DQ.
Same as Hurst-Euless-Bedfore where I am now.
Denton does have 1 and I think maybne somewhere in Arlington.
Other than that, I dont know where they at anymore. I have to settle for Steak and Shake and Braums

[cajun]

lewisville not texas anymore then cause there is no more DQ.
Same as Hurst-Euless-Bedfore where I am now.
Denton does have 1 and I think maybne somewhere in Arlington.
Other than that, I dont know where they at anymore. I have to settle for Steak and Shake and Braums

Lewisville done turned Yankee and killed the DQ...:rolleyes:

I'll get you a map...DQ's everywhere!

[farmerfan]

How would you all classify the following states? meaning south, new south, deep south not south, cajun or what

Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Louisiana
Tennessee
Mississippi
Alabama
Georgia
North Carolina
South Carolina
Florida

Maybe people in Georgia would rather just be called Georgia and no longer associate themselves or classify themselves as Southern. Who knows now.

[farmerfan]

Lewisville done turned Yankee and killed the DQ...:rolleyes:

I'll get you a map...DQ's everywhere!

Bonham which is the biggest town close to my moms property has a DQ. We used to stop there all the time on our way to Grandmas. Grandma even would meet us there when we were kids for a dipped cone.
I knew there was a reason I dont like Lewisville anymore. Then again our DQ was actually in FM and not Lewisville and the rich yankees who have moved to FM killed the DQ and brought a lifetime fitnees to town instead :Censor:

[farmerfan]

Dont stop at hte DQ in Elm Mott outside of Waco either. I stopped there coming back from College Station once and it was 8:55 an they closed at 9. The doors were already locked and they told me I was out of luck and if I hurried I could possibly make it to West 15 miles up Interstate 35 in time. People there are mean. I never made it in time to the one in West but I did stop there another time and the people much nicer. That DQ is no more though. They do have one in Itasca though. Thank God

[cajun]

Maybe people in Georgia would rather just be called Georgia .

That or Cracker, probably close!

[BackNBlack97]

We have 4 DQs in Odessa, does that make us more texan than most? :p

[Firebird]

We have 4 DQs in Odessa, does that make us more texan than most? :p

The first DQ was started up in Illinois...and it's owned by Berkshire Hathaway(Warren Buffet in Nebraska). Whataburger, on the other hand, is from good old Corpus Christi...does Lewisville have a Whataburger?

[BackNBlack97]

The first DQ was started up in Illinois...and it's owned by Berkshire Hathaway(Warren Buffet in Nebraska). Whataburger, on the other hand, is from good old Corpus Christi...does Lewisville have a Whataburger?

Lol we only have 3 of those, and you only go there if you have at least 30 minutes to wait in the drive thru...

[yallerjacket2]

Lol we only have 3 of those, and you only go there if you have at least 30 minutes to wait in the drive thru...

Food usually tastes much better if it's not ready before you order it.

[Firebird]

Lol we only have 3 of those, and you only go there if you have at least 30 minutes to wait in the drive thru...

That's why I go inside....

[slorch]

That's why I go inside....

this at Whataburger and JitB.

"You always get (screwed) at the drive-through":D

[Firebird]

this at Whataburger and JitB.

"You always get (screwed) at the drive-through":D

Frozen Desserts:

DQ> Whataburger

Everything else:

Whataburger> DQ

[yallerjacket2]

Frozen Desserts:

DQ> Whataburger

Everything else:

Whataburger> DQ

Whatachicken > DQ hamburger > Whataburger hamburger

[BackNBlack97]

Frozen Desserts:

DQ> Whataburger

Everything else:

Whataburger> DQ

NOWAY! Frozen Desserts:

DQ > Whataburger

Steak Fingers/Chicken Fingers:

DQ > Whataburger

Burgers & Fries:

Whataburger > DQ

:p

[BDB]

Whatachicken > DQ hamburger > Whataburger hamburger

don't let that DQ swagger fool you.... it's not even close to being a whataburger. the only thing that DQ has over Whataburger in the food catagory are chili cheese fries.

[HUM398]

That there is a lot of diversity and culture that is lumped in that land. San Antonio, Austin, Ft Worth, Dallas and The Valley will be found in that part of land. I highly doubt if you make it down to San Antonio and the Valley they would say yes we are "southern". Same with Austin and FW. Dallas, hell they have their own attitude to where they just assume their a mix between NY and L.A with some Chicago mixed in for good measure. Thats my point. You go anywhere in the South and you will not find the diversity that is seen in those cities and the differenct culture that each possess.

Miami.....:eek: More so then any other city in Text book definition of the south.

[BDB]

Miami.....:eek: More so then any other city in Text book definition of the south.

what i'm gettin at is that "the south" isn't made up by the people but by the demographics of those people. to say that the valley isn't as hospitable as huntsville is pretty laughable considering all the abuelitas and senoras waiting for someone to stop by for lemonade and a panesito....

[slorch]

don't let that DQ swagger fool you.... it's not even close to being a whataburger. the only thing that DQ has over Whataburger in the food catagory are chili cheese fries.

when Whataburger starts carrying steak fingers, I could be persuaded...

[HUM398]

The GHA compasses 10 counties.....

The actual city is 2.2-2.3 million people in a little over 630 square miles... Harris county the center of the GHA houses close to 4 million people...... The rest of the GHA is almost entirely small towns and avg. sized towns... The City of Houston is so sprawled out that a lot of these towns have been able to maintain their own identities...and that rinky dink feel to them....


Texas is Texas....But Historically speaking...Texas is a southern state. The Term Southwest was actually adapted to identify the region west of the Mississippi Ending at Texas. It was later used to refer to the regions past Texas...But the original term was coined for Arkansas, LA, and TX.

Texas is Unique....its different then the rest of the south....But it doesn't change the fact that its roots lie deep with Southern history....

[farmerfan]

The first DQ was started up in Illinois...and it's owned by Berkshire Hathaway(Warren Buffet in Nebraska). Whataburger, on the other hand, is from good old Corpus Christi...does Lewisville have a Whataburger?

Lewisville has two Whataburgers. We used to eat there every Sunday after Church for breakfast. It was the only way my mom and dad could get my brother and I to attend the early service. Whataburger still has the best biscuits and gravy ever.

[BDB]

when Whataburger starts carrying steak fingers, I could be persuaded...

i go to stars for steak fingers..... and chili fries.... wierd.

[farmerfan]

The GHA compasses 10 counties.....

The actual city is 2.2-2.3 million people in a little over 630 square miles... Harris county the center of the GHA houses close to 4 million people...... The rest of the GHA is almost entirely small towns and avg. sized towns... The City of Houston is so sprawled out that a lot of these towns have been able to maintain their own identities...and that rinky dink feel to them....

Texas is Texas....But Historically speaking...Texas is a southern state. The Term Southwest was actually adapted to identify the region west of the Mississippi Ending at Texas. It was later used to refer to the regions past Texas...But the original term was coined for Arkansas, LA, and TX.

Texas is Unique....its different then the rest of the south....But it doesn't change the fact that its roots lie deep with Southern history....

What would those small towns be. Its been a while since I drove down and spent some time in Skeeterville. Last time I was down there was what seems to be 02-03 and I remember driving in from the North on 45 thinking holy hell this place is huge. It seemed like once I entered Conroe there was no seperation at all until you got past Downtown and that seemed to be something like 50 miles at least. Same with the last time I went out to Katy on the West side.

Texas is unique and I think thats why you can not lump it in with one group in this country. Texans do not like that and will quickly stop an outsider and say I'm Texan not anything else. Call me crazy but I dont ever seem to remember hearing Arkansas lumped in with the Southwest.

[svhorns]

What does the south represent? We may all have our own definitions of what the south truly is... geographically Texas is the South as is Florida... but what I can't understand is what actually is being debated here. Have we not touched on the racism that the south was known for? Does that make it southern state?

[farmerfan]

Miami.....:eek: More so then any other city in Text book definition of the south.

I have never heard Miami referred to as a "Southern" city. Sorry but just becaue it is the southern most city in the continental United States does not make it "Southern".

[slorch]

Lewisville has two Whataburgers. We used to eat there every Sunday after Church for breakfast. It was the only way my mom and dad could get my brother and I to attend the early service. Whataburger still has the best biscuits and gravy ever.

not the best, but definitely the best value for the price that is very convenient too.

[farmerfan]

What does the south represent? We may all have our own definitions of what the south truly is... geographically Texas is the South as is Florida... but what I can't understand is what actually is being debated here. Have we not touched on the racism that the south was known for? Does that make it southern state?

I dont know what we're debating anymore. I'm all over hte place and just being a contrarian:D

Racism a big issue but racism all over the place nowadays we just seem to be too sensative to address it.

[slorch]

What does the south represent? We may all have our own definitions of what the south truly is... geographically Texas is the South as is Florida... but what I can't understand is what actually is being debated here. Have we not touched on the racism that the south was known for? Does that make it southern state?

because Detroit is sooooo inclusive...:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

not the best, but definitely the best value for the price that is very convenient too.

True about value. I totally forgot about Ham N Eggs in Lewisville which has the biggest damn biscuits and gravy ever and some of the best.
I say of the fast food joints I have had biscuits and gravy at that Whataburgers are far and away the best. Both in taste and value :D

[slorch]

What would those small towns be. Its been a while since I drove down and spent some time in Skeeterville. Last time I was down there was what seems to be 02-03 and I remember driving in from the North on 45 thinking holy hell this place is huge. It seemed like once I entered Conroe there was no seperation at all until you got past Downtown and that seemed to be something like 50 miles at least. Same with the last time I went out to Katy on the West side.

Texas is unique and I think thats why you can not lump it in with one group in this country. Texans do not like that and will quickly stop an outsider and say I'm Texan not anything else. Call me crazy but I dont ever seem to remember hearing Arkansas lumped in with the Southwest.

Bellaire, Sugarland, Katy, Pearland, Cypress, Spring, Galena Park.

You know, so small, there's just a feed store and an Allsups...;):D

[pied]

Lewisville has two Whataburgers. We used to eat there every Sunday after Church for breakfast. It was the only way my mom and dad could get my brother and I to attend the early service. Whataburger still has the best biscuits and gravy ever.


On 35/Main, where is the other one?

[slorch]

On 35/Main, where is the other one?

use mapquest, bra...

[farmerfan]

On 35/Main, where is the other one?

Business 121 between Bellaire and Corporate going West.

[farmerfan]

Bellaire, Sugarland, Katy, Pearland, Cypress, Spring, Galena Park.

You know, so small, there's just a feed store and an Allsups...;):D

Gotcha. Kind of Like Plano, Allen, Frisco and Garland. We all know Garland has a feedstore ;)
The rest still have the five and dimes

[BDB]

Gotcha. Kind of Like Plano, Allen, Frisco and Garland. We all know Garland has a feedstore ;)
The rest still have the five and dimes

QP's and twangs? 8-balls and bubblegums?

[slorch]

Gotcha. Kind of Like Plano, Allen, Frisco and Garland. We all know Garland has a feedstore ;)
The rest still have the five and dimes

I think what Hum's getting at, and Humble is truly a prime example of this, some of the outlying 'burbs still have a small town feel to them where everyone still knows everyone. Tomball, Conroe, and Rosenberg/ Richmond would be good examples of this also. Once upon a time, they were the tiny towns like Frisco and Rowlett...

[slorch]

Just so Farmer knows...I got D-Wight playing and I'm sippin on some cold brew.

Nice end to a Monday afternoon...:cool:

[farmerfan]

I think what Hum's getting at, and Humble is truly a prime example of this, some of the outlying 'burbs still have a small town feel to them where everyone still knows everyone. Tomball, Conroe, and Rosenberg/ Richmond would be good examples of this also. Once upon a time, they were the tiny towns like Frisco and Rowlett...

Rosenburg pretty close to Needville right? I've been through Needville on my way to visit my cousin in Lake Jackson. If they consider that area meaning Needville, West Columbia and Lake Jackson part of Houston MSA then that is insane.
That said, I dont remember getting a small town feel while in Umble. I mean it is close to Bush Airport and has a pretty big US Hwy running through it in 59. I do consider Conroe to be the start of the Houston area just based on nothing seperating the towns between Conroe and Downtown, at least thats the way I remember last time I drove through and I have had lots of Vodka nad beer since then so that could be clouding my judgment.

[farmerfan]

Just so Farmer knows...I got D-Wight playing and I'm sippin on some cold brew.

Nice end to a Monday afternoon...:cool:

Nice. God bless D-Wight. :notworthy God Bless Buck:notworthy

[pied]

Business 121 between Bellaire and Corporate going West.

I try to avoid that area.

[pied]

QP's and twangs? 8-balls and bubblegums?

What are we talking about here?

[slorch]

Rosenburg pretty close to Needville right? I've been through Needville on my way to visit my cousin in Lake Jackson. If they consider that area meaning Needville, West Columbia and Lake Jackson part of Houston MSA then that is insane.
That said, I dont remember getting a small town feel while in Umble. I mean it is close to Bush Airport and has a pretty big US Hwy running through it in 59. I do consider Conroe to be the start of the Houston area just based on nothing seperating the towns between Conroe and Downtown, at least thats the way I remember last time I drove through and I have had lots of Vodka nad beer since then so that could be clouding my judgment.

you would be correct, as far as the highway statements go.

Maybe it my youth sports involvement or possibly my job, but I know a ton of folks in the Woodlands and in Conroe. I feel like I have all the conveneience of big city, but the neighborhood feel of a small town. Don't know if that's a Southern trait or not, though...;)

[farmerfan]

What are we talking about here?

Must be somethign to do with nose candy methinks which we all know well I won't go there in regards to Plano since Lewisville isn't squeaky clean itself;)

[farmerfan]

I try to avoid that area.

I try to avoid Main St and anything on 407 nowadays. Business 121 is a nice change of pace considering they actually planned for that stretch of traffic accordingly by widening that road 15 years ago.

[farmerfan]

you would be correct, as far as the highway statements go.

Maybe it my youth sports involvement or possibly my job, but I know a ton of folks in the Woodlands and in Conroe. I feel like I have all the conveneience of big city, but the neighborhood feel of a small town. Don't know if that's a Southern trait or not, though...;)

I feel just the opposite anytime I go back to Lewisville and I still have lots of friends who live there. Damn Dallas. :mad:

[pied]

Must be somethign to do with nose candy methinks which we all know well I won't go there in regards to Plano since Lewisville isn't squeaky clean itself;)

Especially over by the Whataburger on 121....

[farmerfan]

Especially over by the Whataburger on 121....

Must be something to do with apartments :eek:;)

But that was funny Pied.

[BDB]

What are we talking about here?

uuuuuuuh..... candy?

[cajun]

but what I can't understand is what actually is being debated here?

Farmer said people in Atlanta are more hospitable than the people of Dallas because they eat Boiled Peanuts and Collard Greens...

It set some people off...:cool:

[farmerfan]

Farmer said people in Atlanta are more hospitable than the people of Dallas because they eat Boiled Peanuts and Collard Greens...

It set some people off...:cool:

People anywhere going to be more hospitable than what you find in Dallas. It's easier to share peanuts than it is Ribeyes. People in Dallas very snide and stuck up. More so than just about anywhere I've been fortunate to travel.

[cajun]

People anywhere going to be more hospitable than what you find in Dallas. It's easier to share peanuts than it is Ribeyes. People in Dallas very snide and stuck up. More so than just about anywhere I've been fortunate to travel.

I'm pretty stuck up myself when I tackle a Ribeye...We ever sit down to eat some Boiled Peanuts though you can have all mine!

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[farmerfan]

I'm pretty stuck up myself when I tackle a Ribeye...We ever sit down to eat some Boiled Peanuts though you can have all mine!

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You missing out on the boiled peanuts man. I'll galdly eat yours

[slorch]

who eats colored greens?:eek::cool:

[lonny23]

who eats colored greens?:eek::cool:
Not the guys at Augusta National!:p

Seriously, I've known quite a few people over the years who really enjoyed collard greens.

[lonny23]

People anywhere going to be more hospitable than what you find in Dallas. It's easier to share peanuts than it is Ribeyes. People in Dallas very snide and stuck up. More so than just about anywhere I've been fortunate to travel.
I'm not here to defend Dallas, but I'll say this. Most people in most locations aren't that friendly. If it's not in a small town, most people stick to themselves.

[HUM398]

Rosenburg pretty close to Needville right? I've been through Needville on my way to visit my cousin in Lake Jackson. If they consider that area meaning Needville, West Columbia and Lake Jackson part of Houston MSA then that is insane.
That said, I dont remember getting a small town feel while in Umble. I mean it is close to Bush Airport and has a pretty big US Hwy running through it in 59. I do consider Conroe to be the start of the Houston area just based on nothing seperating the towns between Conroe and Downtown, at least thats the way I remember last time I drove through and I have had lots of Vodka nad beer since then so that could be clouding my judgment.


Come by and stop in Humble...then tell me it doesn't have a small town feel when you leave.

Ill take you to Moonshine Hill...hit a couple of local taverns......Where the owners are 3rd generation.....and we can take a stroll up and down main street....Nothing but ma and pop shops...

Most of Humble's land is owned by Texas land and Cattle Co....Texaco, and ExXon. Across the street from my neighborhood is a huge open space full of Cattle and horses that roam openly during the day....If you pass by around 3pm you can see them starting to round them up.... The corner of Wilson and Atascocita Rd....a Goat and Pig farm.... North Houston Rd north of 1960....a neighborhood filled with little ranchettes.....Go to Old Humble...and the neighborhoods are alive and thriving with families who have occupied those homes since the founding of the city....

Humble has changed on the outer edges to adapt to the changing econimic climate...We built a mall, and opened a strip of major restaurants....We can't support our city on Lumber, Cattle, and Oil anymore.....Up until 1970's....Humble was a dying little city....The Airport saved our town from total abandonment....otherwise we would be nothing more then a ghost town on a salt mound....

Next time you are in Humble....Go to the Humble Museum. They will cover everything from the founding....to Ol' Limey the stubborn untouchable Longhorn.


Houston is different from Dallas in the fact that alot of the culture of these little towns are intact....

Tomball, Rosenberg, Fulshear, Cutnshoot, Humble, Splendora, New Caney, Cleavland, Alvin, Manvel, La Marque, Huffman, Crosby, etc.....all have maintained the identity....You have your towns like Humble, Tomball, Texas City, and Katy who are closer to the mess...but still maintain that aura......it adds to the culture of the city....

[farmerfan]

I'm not here to defend Dallas, but I'll say this. Most people in most locations aren't that friendly. If it's not in a small town, most people stick to themselves.

Dallas far and away the worse I have experienced. More so than Boston and even more so than NYC. Dallas takes the cake with people acting like jerks for no apparent reason. That attitude has made its way to some of the suburbs as well. Even your small town have some who will act like jerks but in Dallas it seems like its a requirement to now live in the city.

[farmerfan]

Come by and stop in Humble...then tell me it doesn't have a small town feel when you leave.

Ill take you to Moonshine Hill...hit a couple of local taverns......Where the owners are 3rd generation.....and we can take a stroll up and down main street....Nothing but ma and pop shops...

Most of Humble's land is owned by Texas land and Cattle Co....Texaco, and ExXon. Across the street from my neighborhood is a huge open space full of Cattle and horses that roam openly during the day....If you pass by around 3pm you can see them starting to round them up.... The corner of Wilson and Atascocita Rd....a Goat and Pig farm.... North Houston Rd north of 1960....a neighborhood filled with little ranchettes.....Go to Old Humble...and the neighborhoods are alive and thriving with families who have occupied those homes since the founding of the city....

Humble has changed on the outer edges to adapt to the changing econimic climate...We built a mall, and opened a strip of major restaurants....We can't support our city on Lumber, Cattle, and Oil anymore.....Up until 1970's....Humble was a dying little city....The Airport saved our town from total abandonment....otherwise we would be nothing more then a ghost town on a salt mound....

Next time you are in Humble....Go to the Humble Museum. They will cover everything from the founding....to Ol' Limey the stubborn untouchable Longhorn.


Houston is different from Dallas in the fact that alot of the culture of these little towns are intact....

Tomball, Rosenberg, Fulshear, Cutnshoot, Humble, Splendora, New Caney, Cleavland, Alvin, Manvel, La Marque, Huffman, Crosby, etc.....all have maintained the identity....You have your towns like Humble, Tomball, Texas City, and Katy who are closer to the mess...but still maintain that aura......it adds to the culture of the city....


As long as the brews aren't over 2.50 then Ill stop by one of your taverns. That said, going up 59 on the EasTex can you tell where Houston ends and Um begins, how about going South through I believe Bellaire? When I played baseball back in 2000 at the Second Baptist tourney we stayed around Bellaire, pretty impressive for the growth it has had.

[JOH]

nm

[cajun]

You missing out on the boiled peanuts man. I'll galdly eat yours

Yeah, I like Boiled Peanuts alright-they pretty good sometimes...You can still have all mine though....I don't feel like I lost too much by giving you all mine, might make a new friend..

I ain't looking to make any new friends when I tackle some beef though...:D

[pied]

Yeah, I like Boiled Peanuts alright-they pretty good sometimes...You can still have all mine though....I don't feel like I lost too much by giving you all mine, might make a new friend..

I ain't looking to make any new friends when I tackle some beef though...:D

Not having read this entire thread, you may want to rethink that line.

[cajun]

Not having read this entire thread, you may want to rethink that line.

Why would I want to do that?

[pied]

Do as you want, beef tackler.

[HUM398]

As long as the brews aren't over 2.50 then Ill stop by one of your taverns. That said, going up 59 on the EasTex can you tell where Houston ends and Um begins, how about going South through I believe Bellaire? When I played baseball back in 2000 at the Second Baptist tourney we stayed around Bellaire, pretty impressive for the growth it has had.

Yes.

Anyone that tells you differently has never driven North on 59 starting at the Loop... Their is considerable "nothingness" starting at Cross timbers up until you hit Will Clayton Prkwy.

Driving North on 59, to the left you have some urban sprawl (dismal, and occurred in the late 50's....houses are June clever era) to the east you have nothing but chicken farms and tons of small town like churches and ma and pop corner stores that have been around since the 60's..... NFISD has the problem it is having because of total lack of expected urban development.....

All this is pretty well hidden behind thick Pine tree blankets.... Humble is the first sign of anything significant once you pass Little York...And Humble is pretty much it until you hit Lufkin......120 or so miles north of us.

NE houston is the East Texas of Houston.....It is "country".... Same goes for the Far North West (Tomball, magnolia, and Montgomery)

Their is a reason why Humble was once considered the Gate to East Texas....

[slorch]

Mongolia?:eek:

[HUM398]

Mongolia?:eek:

Yup...Houston has the highest Asian Population in the south...;);)

[slorch]

Yup...Houston has the highest Asian Population in the south...;);)

you went back and changed your spelling...:rolleyes::D:cool:

[HUM398]

you went back and changed your spelling...:rolleyes::D:cool:

Houston's big....just not that big

[farmerfan]

Houston's big....just not that big

Mongorians?

Hey you Mongorains get off my schitty wall. I going get you you stupid Mongorains. :cool:

Houston is big. I have had plenty tell me that they can not tell much of a difference driving on 59 up to Humble where the ending of Houston is and Humble begins. I know its defintely not that way on 45 coming out of Conroe.

[Firebird]

Mongorians?

Hey you Mongorains get off my schitty wall. I going get you you stupid Mongorains. :cool:

Houston is big. I have had plenty tell me that they can not tell much of a difference driving on 59 up to Humble where the ending of Houston is and Humble begins. I know its defintely not that way on 45 coming out of Conroe.

:Censor:ing Mongorians!

[farmerfan]

:Censor:ing Mongorians!

Poor Mr Kim. Those Mongorians sure got him with the Trojan Mongorian Horse

[Firebird]

Poor Mr Kim. Those Mongorians sure got him with the Trojan Mongorian Horse

Too bad he didn't get the Mongorians with the sweet and sour sauce.

[slorch]

you can arr go to herr!!!

[Firebird]

you can arr go to herr!!!

Damn mongorians. Every time I build a schitty wall mongorians come tear it down.

[farmerfan]

Too bad he didn't get the Mongorians with the sweet and sour sauce.

That damn Sweet Sour Pok. Poor Dog who had to come help. Too bad the beisibol got his Mongorian Missle defense to turn around on him and get him.
Those damn Mongorians.

[HUM398]

Mongorians?

Hey you Mongorains get off my schitty wall. I going get you you stupid Mongorains. :cool:

Houston is big. I have had plenty tell me that they can not tell much of a difference driving on 59 up to Humble where the ending of Houston is and Humble begins. I know its defintely not that way on 45 coming out of Conroe.

that is insane. you can tell....

If the State game is here in Houston next time....Stop by Humble..

Hit up the Lloyds on Higgens....Oldest Bar in Humble...

Their is a newer bar that i really like....but it still has that same comfortable feel...and a hot manager...Twin Oaks...

to eat...Stop at Humble City Cafe...AWESOME catfish, and Chicken fried steak....HAVE to try the freaking Peach Cobbler...the best i have ever had.

[HUM398]

That damn Sweet Sour Pok. Poor Dog who had to come help. Too bad the beisibol got his Mongorian Missle defense to turn around on him and get him.
Those damn Mongorians.

you mongorians ter down my schitty wall for da last time

[farmerfan]

that is insane. you can tell....

If the State game is here in Houston next time....Stop by Humble..

Hit up the Lloyds on Higgens....Oldest Bar in Humble...

Their is a newer bar that i really like....but it still has that same comfortable feel...and a hot manager...Twin Oaks...

to eat...Stop at Humble City Cafe...AWESOME catfish, and Chicken fried steak....HAVE to try the freaking Peach Cobbler...the best i have ever had.

One is from Katy and the other now lives in Tulsa.
The Tulsa one has had two kids since he lived in Humble or maybe it was Kingwood. I can't remember. His memory has never been good.
The friend from Katy always doing what he can to make Houston bigger and better than Dallas. I always laugh at him when he does that because none of us Metromessers will defend Dallas over anything. We'll get picky about FW but FW never claimed to be bigger and better than anything unlike those who are from Dallas;)
He wont ever let us talk about HS football though if we bring that up despite Katy's dominance:D

[HUM398]

One is from Katy and the other now lives in Tulsa.
The Tulsa one has had two kids since he lived in Humble or maybe it was Kingwood. I can't remember. His memory has never been good.
The friend from Katy always doing what he can to make Houston bigger and better than Dallas. I always laugh at him when he does that because none of us Metromessers will defend Dallas over anything. We'll get picky about FW but FW never claimed to be bigger and better than anything unlike those who are from Dallas;)
He wont ever let us talk about HS football though if we bring that up despite Katy's dominance:D

If you come down...I think you'd see that it is very different, and you'd see the southern charm of the city. Most people miss it because they get the impression that Humble is just an outlying suburb...its an actual city with an idenity...Step away from the Mall and Resturant strip...and go into Humble Proper...explore...it isn't very big about 10 square miles...not much, but a bunch of friendly people...

[farmerfan]

If you come down...I think you'd see that it is very different, and you'd see the southern charm of the city. Most people miss it because they get the impression that Humble is just an outlying suburb...its an actual city with an idenity...Step away from the Mall and Resturant strip...and go into Humble Proper...explore...it isn't very big about 10 square miles...not much, but a bunch of friendly people...

They dont sport the Swoop in Humble do they?;)

[HUM398]

They dont sport the Swoop in Humble do they?;)

No....We aren't queer enough to pull it off.

[slorch]

If you come down...I think you'd see that it is very different, and you'd see the southern charm of the city. Most people miss it because they get the impression that Humble is just an outlying suburb...its an actual city with an idenity...Step away from the Mall and Resturant strip...and go into Humble Proper...explore...it isn't very big about 10 square miles...not much, but a bunch of friendly people...

I think they would rather see Silicone Valley...:D

[farmerfan]

No....We aren't queer enough to pull it off.

Color me confused:confused:

[HUM398]

Color me confused:confused:

foot in mouth....

[farmerfan]

foot in mouth....

:d