Texas to the ACC?

[tayb]

CBS is reporting that there is high level negotiations going on and an announcement could be imminent. I don't know if this article is completely bogus, if this has already been posted and discussed here, or what but I've heard nothing of this so I thought I'd post it here.

I have a hard time believing this is true... but wow... talk about the national implications of this.


GREENSBORO -- Less than a week after the Big XII coaches rejected a proposal to change the controversial tiebreaker that gave the Oklahoma Sooners last season’s Big XII South title over the Texas Longhorns, a team who soundly beat the Sooners earlier in the season, CBS Sports has learned the Longhorns are in negotiations to leave the Big XII and join the Atlantic Coast Conference. The surprise announcement could come as early as next week.

According to a source within CBS Sports partner conference, the ACC, Texas Athletic Director, Deloss Dodds and members of his staff flew to ACC headquarters in Greensboro, North Carolina late last week to meet with ACC Commissioner, John Swofford, in anticipation of the Big XII’s stunning tiebreaker decision just two days ago.

According to Big XII and ACC bylaws, leaving the Big XII for the ACC is expected to cost the Longhorns in excess of $5 million, and would require a qualifying vote of both the ACC member schools as well as the Texas legislature. However, those steps are seen as a mere formality due to the resulting financial windfall for all involved.

In walking away from the Big XII, Texas is leaving behind a conference that has struggled to gain traction in the years since its inception. Former football power, Nebraska, has been mired in mediocrity, with no team stepping up to fill the void in the talent poor Big XII North. For the past decade, the conference has been propped up solely by Texas and Oklahoma’s annual inclusion in the National Championship hunt, with sporadic appearances in the BCS top 25 by Texas Tech, Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma State. In basketball, despite powerhouses Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Texas providing plenty of top 15 rankings, the Big XII has languished behind more notable basketball conferences, the Big East and the ACC in both post season performance and reputation.

The ACC, which is celebrating its 55th year of existence today, is seemingly aglow at the prospect of adding Texas and its rich tradition. In landing the Longhorns, the ACC not only adds an annual National Championship frontrunner to the fold, something they have sorely lacked for the latter half of this decade, but they also add an impressive TV market to their stable as well. Currently ranking a second in conference viewership behind the SEC, the addition of the Texas TV market is almost certain to make them the runaway leader in that field. According to the Media Information Center, the Texas Longhorns own the largest TV market in the country, nearly 30% larger than the second ranked school, the University of Southern California.

Bringing Texas into the conference would almost assuredly allow the ACC to immediately rework their TV deal with Fox, which doesn’t expire until 2012, and could result in the largest TV payout in NCAA history. The Longhorns, despite the $5 million cost of making the switch, stand to increase their annual media revenue by nearly 60%.

Long rumored to be interested in adding a 13th and 14th team since the admission of Boston College as the 12th and final member in 2004, the ACC has been unable to identify any willing institutions that met the conference’s standards of academic excellence in addition to athletic prowess. In the Longhorns, the ACC would gain one of the most respected public universities in the country, and a regular member of national undergraduate and graduate program rankings.

Though still yet to be determined, sources say the ACC is strongly considering identifying and adding the 14th and final member this summer. Any team added however, including Texas, would realistically have to wait until the 2010 or 2011 season to commence participation in ACC conference play for any NCAA sport. The front runners for the 14th spot are expected to be Texas A&M, a fellow Big XII member school with strong academics and a solid athletic track record, and Big East member, the University of Connecticut, whose upstart football program and championship winning basketball programs make it a logical fit. However, conference officials might instead attempt to lure Notre Dame into the fold, though the prospects of their joining the ACC appear slim.

If both Texas and Texas A&M leave the Big XII for the ACC, the domino effect would almost certainly result in the collapse of the Big XII as we know it. The resulting effect could possibly see the SEC add Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, with Missouri going to the Big Ten and Colorado joining the Pac-10, along with long rumored addition, Hawaii. The remaining 6 Big XII teams ? Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, and Iowa State would likely split up and join the Mountain West and Big East conferences or cherry pick 6 to 8 additional teams from the Mountain West, Conference USA, Western Athletic Conference and Big East in an effort to remain a BCS member conference.

[F18mustang]

Heard it was merely a joke on OB.

[cajun]

:eek:

[GTown02]

Heard it was merely a joke on OB.

I heard the same thing. I'm fairly sure this story doesn't hold any water.

[tayb]

I'm pretty sure it is fake as well. One of my friends is saying it was an OrangeBlood's prank.

[yankee]

lol @ anyone who remotely believes this.

[tayb]

lol @ anyone who remotely believes this.

It isn't that unbelievable. That an announcement is "imminent" is a bit of a stretch but there have been reports for YEARS that Texas was shopping around for a new conference. The Pac-10, Big 10, and the ACC have been thrown out there numerous times.

[yankee]

It isn't that unbelievable. That an announcement is "imminent" is a bit of a stretch but there have been reports for YEARS that Texas was shopping around for a new conference. The Pac-10, Big 10, and the ACC have been thrown out there numerous times.

i'll pledge my allegiance to ut if they go to the acc...


pac 10 is more believable than the f'n acc.

[DrEdward]

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Shucks, looks like we will have to revise the logo again.:rolleyes:
We'd be fixin' to need a whole bunch bigger map.

[DragonBand06]

Not to mention they'd have to rename it the AGCC - The Atlantic and Gulf Coast Conference. :D

[BDB]

the BCC? Big Coastal Conference? :laugh.

[Firebird]

No.

[HUM398]

I for one think Texas needs to get the hell out of the Big 12....

Im all for Pac 10 or SEC....ACC is a ****** little conference i would want no part of.


And, on top of it all...this is obviously a prank.

[DrEdward]

I for one think Texas needs to get the hell out of the Big 12....

Im all for Pac 10 or SEC....ACC is a ****** little conference i would want no part of.


And, on top of it all...this is obviously a prank.

Evil thoughts with respect to the ACC. But with two notable exceptions, BC and Miami, the conference is made up of Southern schools. So I don't think you have too much to worry about on this one.

[slorch]

I for one think Texas needs to get the hell out of the Big 12....

Im all for Pac 10 or SEC....ACC is a ****** little conference i would want no part of.


And, on top of it all...this is obviously a prank.



If I let a QB as a sorry as Harrell beat me on the 20 yard out that he cannot throw, I'd leave in shame too...

See Ya!!!

[dada]

I say bring back the SWC........

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

If I let a QB as a sorry as Harrell beat me on the 20 yard out that he cannot throw, I'd leave in shame too...

See Ya!!!

Ouch!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I say bring back the SWC........

I wouldn't be surprised if that happened!

[dada]

I wouldn't be surprised if that happened!

Texas
Texas A&M
TCU
SMU
Texas Tech
Houston
Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St

[TEXREB]

Surely, this is bogus info. The ACC? Seriously? At least not for football. As someone else said, the PAC 10 would have been more believable. If UT leaves the Big XII, I would love for it to be the SEC.

[TEXREB]

Texas
Texas A&M
TCU
SMU
Texas Tech
Houston
Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St

Add Rice and Arkansas and you could have something going.

[Favpack]

Add Rice and Arkansas and you could have something going.

Rice and pork helps any meal.

[farmerfan]

UT wants no part of the SEC. Plus they would not fit in at all in the SEC.
I just laugh at how they can't even win the Big 12 buit they feel like they are too good for it. Too funny. Yeah, "we're Texas" we have won a grand total of 2 conference football championships and zero basketball championships but we are way too good to be in your ****** league. :notworthy

[farmerfan]

I also seem to recall many of the whiny's making the claim after USC's Rose Bowl win that they are not the most consistent program in the country and are overrated because they play in a ****** conference and don't play anybody all year. They also laughed at them for losing to the likes of Oregon State and Stanford but now all the sudden UT wants a part of them? The hypocrisy in that is once again truly laughable. God bless the Whiny's and their attitude.

[Firebird]

UT wants no part of the SEC. Plus they would not fit in at all in the SEC.
I just laugh at how they can't even win the Big 12 buit they feel like they are too good for it. Too funny. Yeah, "we're Texas" we have won a grand total of 2 conference football championships and zero basketball championships but we are way too good to be in your ****** league. :notworthy

Yeah but they totally pw3n everyone in swimming, women's rowing, and tennis...or something like that....:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

Yeah but they totally pw3n everyone in swimming, women's rowing, and tennis...or something like that....:rolleyes:

They want no part of the wild Chattahoochee during rowing season. They would be doomed. But I get your point.

[tayb]

I heard this is an OrangeBlood "rick roll" but I don't really see anything on shaggy or on OB to confirm or deny it.

[Dawg Fan]

it is probably the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a long time. :rolleyes:

[slorch]

I heard this is an OrangeBlood "rick roll" but I don't really see anything on shaggy or on OB to confirm or deny it.

it's definitely being discussed on Shaggy.

The actual article is recognized as a joke,

but plenty of folks are chiming in saying they hate the Big XII

[15Adragon]

That is one way to get to play Florida. :o

[stevefoxsc]

UT wants no part of the SEC.

We wouldn't fit in, our academic standards aren't low enough for the SEC qualifications.

[svhorns]

UT wants no part of the SEC. Plus they would not fit in at all in the SEC.
I just laugh at how they can't even win the Big 12 buit they feel like they are too good for it. Too funny. Yeah, "we're Texas" we have won a grand total of 2 conference football championships and zero basketball championships but we are way too good to be in your ****** league. :notworthy

Shall I bring up UTs football record against the SEC?

[twcpfan1]

We wouldn't fit in, our academic standards aren't low enough for the SEC qualifications.

You may not want to bring that argument to Vanderbilt. No Big 12 school even comes close.

Georgia and Florida are in a virtual tie with Texas and A&M academically.

[farmerfan]

We wouldn't fit in, our academic standards aren't low enough for the SEC qualifications.

Bring it in all you want. We all know games played in the 50's and 60's are relevant for today's arguments. The Big 12 champ can't even beat the SEC champ and we all know Texas hardly ever wins the Big 12. As I said, until you can consistently compete for and win championships in a weaker conference you want no part of Big Daddy.

[pied]

Bring it in all you want. We all know games played in the 50's and 60's are relevant for today's arguments. The Big 12 champ can't even beat the SEC champ and we all know Texas hardly ever wins the Big 12. As I said, until you can consistently compete for and win championships in a weaker conference you want no part of Big Daddy.

What is Mack's record against Saban and Miles?

[twcpfan1]

I also seem to recall many of the whiny's making the claim after USC's Rose Bowl win that they are not the most consistent program in the country and are overrated because they play in a ****** conference and don't play anybody all year. They also laughed at them for losing to the likes of Oregon State and Stanford but now all the sudden UT wants a part of them? The hypocrisy in that is once again truly laughable. God bless the Whiny's and their attitude.

Yes, I remember the thread very well :D

[farmerfan]

Bring it in all you want. We all know games played in the 50's and 60's are relevant for today's arguments. The Big 12 champ can't even beat the SEC champ and we all know Texas hardly ever wins the Big 12. As I said, until you can consistently compete for and win championships in a weaker conference you want no part of Big Daddy.

Opps, quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote SV and not you. As far as academics are concerned thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The teams in the SEC would laugh at your elite attitude and kick your butt at the same time. You would be longing for the days of playing Tech and Baylor and A&M and Okie Lite over the likes of LSU and Bama and Auburn or Georgia, Florida and Tennessee on a yearly basis.

[cajun]

Shall I bring up UTs football record against the SEC?

8-8 since 1970...

[Favpack]

it's definitely being discussed on Shaggy.

The actual article is recognized as a joke,

but plenty of folks are chiming in saying they hate the Big XII

Not really sure why. UT has dominated nothing in the past five years other than football, and, the number of b12 rings has been duly noted. Heck, baseball and softball are borderline pedestrian right now.

[farmerfan]

What is Mack's record against Saban and Miles?

How many national titles does Texas have compared to LSU in oh lets say the past 6 years? How about Conference championships in lets say the past 10?
As for Saban, he played LSU in Sabans 1st or 2nd year, lets see how they would do against the likes of a Bama now on a yearly basis. Its a different animal than Tech and A&M. But your point is taken in regards to that.
Win the big 12 more than two times in a 12 year span and then start talking about getting out of the conference.

[farmerfan]

Yes, I remember the thread very well :D

I figured you would. It was a enjoyable thread with SLC and others.

[farmerfan]

8-8 since 1970...

Well that is much better than Ohio States. A team that has been blown off the field by the SEC in the last two meetings and team that has shown to be even with Texas over their last 3 meetings in the past 4 years ;):cool:

[Firebird]

Not really sure why. UT has dominated nothing in the past five years other than football, and, the number of b12 rings has been duly noted. Heck, baseball and softball are borderline pedestrian right now.

LOL.

UT Big XII Football Championships in the past 5 years: 1
OU Big XII Football Championships in the past 5 years: 4

UT has dominated football in no way, shape or form. Daddy OU has, just like always. It's embarrassing how much OU is daddy to the whole conference. They've won six of the nine seasons championships since 2000. Only UT can't admit that OU owns everyone and is the only dominant Big XII program.

[Favpack]

Utah clearly needs to be in the SEC. :eek:

[cajun]

Well that is much better than Ohio States. A team that has been blown off the field by the SEC in the last two meetings and team that has shown to be even with Texas over their last 3 meetings in the past 4 years ;):cool:

Since 1970...Some close games in that mix..

Texas vs SEC

Date Opponent (record) Result Score Site
9/27/2008 vs. Arkansas (5-7) W 52 10
9/11/2004 @ Arkansas (5-6) W 22 20
9/13/2003 vs. Arkansas (9-4) L 28 38
1/1/2003 vs. Louisiana State (8-5) W 35 20 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl
1/1/2000 vs. Arkansas (8-4) L 6 27 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl
1/1/1999 vs. Mississippi State (8-5) W 38 11 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl
9/5/1992 vs. Mississippi State (7-5) L 10 28
9/7/1991 @ Mississippi State (7-5) L 6 13
9/21/1991 vs. Auburn (5-6) L 10 14
9/5/1987 @ Auburn (9-1-2) L 3 31
9/15/1984 vs. Auburn (9-4) W 35 27
9/17/1983 @ Auburn (11-1) W 20 7
1/2/1984 vs. Georgia (10-1-1) L 9 10 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl
1/1/1982 vs. Alabama (9-2-1) W 14 12 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl
12/30/1974 vs. Auburn (10-2) L 3 27 @ Jacksonville, FL Gator Bowl
1/1/1973 vs. Alabama (10-2) W 17 13 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl

[pied]

I also seem to recall many of the whiny's making the claim after USC's Rose Bowl win that they are not the most consistent program in the country and are overrated because they play in a ****** conference and don't play anybody all year. They also laughed at them for losing to the likes of Oregon State and Stanford but now all the sudden UT wants a part of them? The hypocrisy in that is once again truly laughable. God bless the Whiny's and their attitude.

I think USC is just about the best thing going(as far as top notch college teams go). I would follow that up with a cluster of tOSU/Texas/Florida/LSU/ou. I know I am likely leaving someone out, but I think USC is at the top. The rest have good cases, and the argument certainly would be biased.

'08
1-0 Arkansas 52-10

'04
1-0 Arkanass 22-20

'03
0-1 Arkansas 30-38

'02
1-0 LSU 35-20(Saban)

'99
0-1 Arkansas 6-27

'98
1-0 Miss State 38-10

Mack is 4-2 against the SEC.

[Firebird]

I think USC is just about the best thing going(as far as top notch college teams go). I would follow that up with a cluster of tOSU/Texas/Florida/LSU/ou. I know I am likely leaving someone out, but I think USC is at the top. The rest have good cases, and the argument certainly would be biased.

'08
1-0 Arkansas 52-10

'04
1-0 Arkanass 22-20

'03
0-1 Arkansas 30-38

'02
1-0 LSU 35-20(Saban)

'99
0-1 Arkansas 6-27

'98
1-0 Miss State 38-10

Mack is 4-2 against the SEC.

Texas is the odd man out in that cluster. LSU/Florida have multiple shiny footballs. OU/tOSU have more conference championships and title game appearances. Texas would be last in that bunch. Just how it is.

[cajun]

Utah clearly needs to be in the SEC. :eek:

Why?...Because they won one game? :rolleyes:

Individual Game Results of Utah (vs SEC)
Date Opponent (record) Result Score Site
1/2/2009 vs. Alabama (12-2) W 31 17 @ New Orleans, LA Sugar Bowl
9/15/1984 @ Tennessee (7-4-1) L 21 27
9/22/1979 @ Tennessee (7-5) L 18 51
11/19/1977 @ Florida (6-4-1) L 29 38
11/27/1976 @ Louisiana State (6-4-1) L 7 35
11/8/1975 @ Tennessee (7-5) L 7 40
11/30/1974 @ Louisiana State (5-5-1) L 10 35

[svhorns]

LOL.

UT Big XII Football Championships in the past 5 years: 1
OU Big XII Football Championships in the past 5 years: 4

UT has dominated football in no way, shape or form. Daddy OU has, just like always. It's embarrassing how much OU is daddy to the whole conference. They've won six of the nine seasons championships since 2000. Only UT can't admit that OU owns everyone and is the only dominant Big XII program.

I agree we haven't dominated OU in football... but they are the only school in the Big 12 that can say that... Football - OU = Texas domination...Baseball = Texas domination. Texas and OU are obviously the class of the Big 12 no one else comes close.

[svhorns]

Texas has the 2nd most wins all time in football... any conference would love to have us.

[Firebird]

OU is obviously the class of the Big 12 no one else comes close.


FIFY. Historically, Nebraska has as good a claim to number two as the Horns do.


Texas is dominant in baseball, and the minor sports. That's it. That's all the whinies have.

[pied]

Texas is the odd man out in that cluster. LSU/Florida have multiple shiny footballs. OU/tOSU have more conference championships and title game appearances. Texas would be last in that bunch. Just how it is.

Since '98 Texas has won no less than 9 games per year, since '01 Texas has won no less than 10 games per year.

In that time, LSU has records of 8-5(this last yaer when they finished outside the top 25), 9-3('04), 8-5('02), and 8-4('00). Florida has had records of 9-4('07), 9-3('05), 7-5('04), 8-5('03), 8-5('03).

tOSU, has one title along with Texas and is 1-2 against the Horns.

ou also has one title, an 8-4 season('05), laid a billion eggs in BCS Bowl games, cheats, and they suck.

I certainly would like more conference championships and National Titles, all I am saying is that I think that Texas(or theor fans) can make a pretty good argument for being one of the best programs in the nation(behind USC) dirung the 00's.

[farmerfan]

Texas has the 2nd most wins all time in football... any conference would love to have us.

Sure every conference would love to have the fanbase and money that Texas brings. However, Texas has done nothing to show it needs to leave the Big 12 for a better conference in regards to football.

[Firebird]

Since '98 Texas has won no less than 9 games per year, since '01 Texas has won no less than 10 games per year.

In that time, LSU has records of 8-5(this last yaer when they finished outside the top 25), 9-3('04), 8-5('02), and 8-4('00). Florida has had records of 9-4('07), 9-3('05), 7-5('04), 8-5('03), 8-5('03).

tOSU, has one title along with Texas and is 1-2 against the Horns.

ou also has one title, an 8-4 season('05), a billion eggs in BCS Bowl games, cheats, and they suck.

I certainly would like more conference championships and National Titles, all I am saying is that I think that Texas(or theor fans) can make a pretty good argument for being one of the best programs in the nation(behind USC, Florida, LSU, OU, and tOSU) dirung the 00's.

FIFY

Ten win seasons are something Horn fans talk about to compensate for a lack of trophies. Ask any Gator if he'd trade his SEC and NC trophies for some 10 win seasons and Holiday Bowl wins.

[HUM398]

FIFY. Historically, Nebraska has as good a claim to number two as the Horns do.


Texas is dominant in baseball, and the minor sports. That's it. That's all the whinies have.

Yup all we have is Baseball and the minor sports....

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk59/adamschlosser/texas_81.jpg

http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/whyut/photos/images/brown_mack_trophy.jpg

http://www.cnnsi.com/2009_images/morning_jolt/quan-cosby.jpg


The view is much better from the top.....

[farmerfan]

FIFY. Historically, Nebraska has as good a claim to number two as the Horns do.


Texas is dominant in baseball, and the minor sports. That's it. That's all the whinies have.

If they want to go to the SEC then they would have Arkansas to compete with in track. LSU and others in baseball and UK in basketball. Definitely a step up from what they are used to now in the Big 12

[svhorns]

FIFY. Historically, Nebraska has as good a claim to number two as the Horns do.


Texas is dominant in baseball, and the minor sports. That's it. That's all the whinies have.

lol.

Nebraska hasn't been the same since Osborne said goodbye. They do have a rich tradition but they're struggling to get back to where they once were. OU, Nebraska(split nc with Michigan), and Texas all have 1 NC since the inception of the big 12 but only OU and Texas have stayed consistent.

[pied]

If they want to go to the SEC then they would have Arkansas to compete with in track. LSU and others in baseball and UK in basketball. Definitely a step up from what they are used to now in the Big 12


Would you rather play UK or KU in basketball?

[farmerfan]

Yup all we have is Baseball and the minor sports....

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk59/adamschlosser/texas_81.jpg

http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/whyut/photos/images/brown_mack_trophy.jpg

http://www.cnnsi.com/2009_images/morning_jolt/quan-cosby.jpg


The view is much better from the top.....

And with picture 1 and 3 what championships came with those pictures/seasons?

[pied]

And with picture 1 and 3 what championships came with those pictures/seasons?

The Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl Championships.

[Firebird]

lol.

Nebraska hasn't been the same since Osborne said goodbye. They do have a rich tradition but they're struggling to get back to where they once were. OU, Nebraska(split nc with Michigan), and Texas all have 1 NC since the inception of the big 12 but only OU and Texas have stayed consistent.

As was Texas for a while there. Nebraska has the same number of NCs and Big XII trophies as Texas.

[pied]

And with picture 1 and 3 what championships came with those pictures/seasons?


http://www.bevodepot.com/images/products/BD500_lg.jpg



http://www.southofthered.net/ProductImages/adidas/fiesta_bowl_champion.jpg

[farmerfan]

The Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl Championships.

I didn't know those were championships. Just BCS Bowl wins. However Texas can not claim to be top of anything in those pictures because they were not a champion of a conference or the nation. Hardly room to claim the view from the "top"

[farmerfan]

http://www.bevodepot.com/images/products/BD500_lg.jpg



http://www.southofthered.net/ProductImages/adidas/fiesta_bowl_champion.jpg

Here are the championships that matter in reference to this discussion

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/187/04big12champs10240sc.jpg

http://www.amesphotos.com/oklahoma_photos/images/university-of-oklahoma-football-2008-season-oklahoma-sooners-2008-big-12-champs-ok-f-2008-00152lg.jpg

How again does that qualify the Whinys as having a view from the "top"?

[farmerfan]

As was Texas for a while there. Nebraska has the same number of NCs and Big XII trophies as Texas.

But they're not Texas so they don't count. Texas is too good to be in the Big 12. They need more competition for all thos football championships they have won in the last 12 years

[pied]

Here are the championships that matter in reference to this discussion





How again does that qualify the Whinys as having a view from the "top"?

Was '04 the year they had to forfeit all their wins because their starting QB and half the team were being paid by Big Red Autos and their star RB was driving around in a Lexus that the same dealership let him etst drive for three months?

[Firebird]

Was '04 the year they had to forfeit all their wins because their starting QB and half the team were being paid by Big Red Autos and their star RB was driving around in a Lexus that the same dealership let him etst drive for three months?

No

[farmerfan]

Was '04 the year they had to forfeit all their wins because their starting QB and half the team were being paid by Big Red Autos and their star RB was driving around in a Lexus that the same dealership let him etst drive for three months?

No. That was 05. Jason White was the starter in 04 and Bomar was the starter in 05. I thought college football reinstated those wins in 05 though. 06 was the year that Stoops kiced Bomar off the team and Paul Thompson who hadn't played QB in roughly a year was able to lead the Sooners to the 1st of what is now 3 straight Big 12 championships. That kind of puts it in perspective. OU has won more conference titles in the past 3 years as Texas has in the entire history of the Big 12. That view from the top has to be awful lonely for OU;)

[pied]

No. That was 05. Jason White was the starter in 04 and Bomar was the starter in 05. I thought college football reinstated those wins in 05 though. 06 was the year that Stoops kiced Bomar off the team and Paul Thompson who hadn't played QB in roughly a year was able to lead the Sooners to the 1st of what is now 3 straight Big 12 championships. That kind of puts it in perspective. OU has won more conference titles in the past 3 years as Texas has in the entire history of the Big 12. That view from the top has to be awful lonely for OU;)


I forgot, they lost BCS games to FL and USC those years. Hard to keep track of their cheating and BCS losses, they all run together after awhile. One constant though is their suck.

Drove through Hooks yesterday. Was sad my wife didn't know the significance. He was a cheater and a traitor as well.

[farmerfan]

I forgot, they lost BCS games to FL and USC those years. Hard to keep track of their cheating and BCS losses, they all run together after awhile. One constant though is their suck.

Drove through Hooks yesterday. Was sad my wife didn't know the significance. He was a cheater and a traitor as well.

All the while proving to yet again be the class of the Big 12 while Texas once again played second fiddle to the Sooners. Maybe thats why Texas is seeking a residence in another conference. Can't win the one your in then look for a easier road. What better way than to join the ACC or according to some of our Horn fans on this board, the oh so weak Pac 10.

As for Mr Sims, he should die according to Loony. :D

[pied]

All the while proving to yet again be the class of the Big 12 while Texas once again played second fiddle to the Sooners. Maybe thats why Texas is seeking a residence in another conference. Can't win the one your in then look for a easier road. What better way than to join the ACC or according to some of our Horn fans on this board, the oh so weak Pac 10.

As for Mr Sims, he should die according to Loony. :D

Those years, Texas beat Michigan and tOSU in BCS games. In '04 we followed it up with a National Title, perhaps a sign?

Not certain what Lonny's criteria is, but treason is a capital offense I believe.

[farmerfan]

Those years, Texas beat Michigan and tOSU in BCS games. In '04 we followed it up with a National Title, perhaps a sign?

Not certain what Lonny's criteria is, but treason is a capital offense I believe.

Those same years Texas failed to win the conference while OU hosted another Championship. Get back to us when Texas is on the same page as OU in regards to football championships that matter. When they do, then you can start talking about seeking another conference.

[farmerfan]

Those years, Texas beat Michigan and tOSU in BCS games. In '04 we followed it up with a National Title, perhaps a sign?

Not certain what Lonny's criteria is, but treason is a capital offense I believe.

Also Pied, this is not directed towards you because I have never seen you take a shot at the Big 10, but those were two games that came down to the final seconds and we have constantly heard from other Horn fans on this board how the Big Televen should have their automatic BCS bid taken away and how terrible that conference is. Funny though how those same Horn fans use two games that came down to the final seconds and showed how evenly matched the teams were as an indication to their so called "greatness". I'm just saying.

[twcpfan1]

What's this I hear? Texas wants to be in the Pac 10? I knew all along that they really look up to USC :D.

The inferiority complex a spoke of a little while back wasn't far off was it. :D

[farmerfan]

What's this I hear? Texas wants to be in the Pac 10? I knew all along that they really look up to USC :D.

The inferiority complex a spoke of a little while back wasn't far off was it. :D

I would just like to hear a sound logical explination of why Texas should or would want to leave The Big 12?

[pied]

Also Pied, this is not directed towards you because I have never seen you take a shot at the Big 10, but those were two games that came down to the final seconds and we have constantly heard from other Horn fans on this board how the Big Televen should have their automatic BCS bid taken away and how terrible that conference is. Funny though how those same Horn fans use two games that came down to the final seconds and showed how evenly matched the teams were as an indication to their so called "greatness". I'm just saying.

Removing the Big 10's bid would be dumb. Looking at where you rank them based on their late season results = not so dumb(in my opinion). By the same token, you might think the same would apply for Stoops and sucky ou, but not so much yet. In the end, besides beating Florida in the National Championship game, it's hard for me to see how it ended poorly. Texas #3, BCS win against a Big 10 team, ou lost, and a$m watched it all.


Kind of funny how no one brings them up at all(except me). Talk about irrelevant.

[pied]

I would just like to hear a sound logical explination of why Texas should or would want to leave The Big 12?

None of it makes sense in my opinion. In the end I think we are stuck pretty much together, until it's all busted up into super conferences w/a playoff etc.

[farmerfan]

Removing the Big 10's bid would be dumb. Looking at where you rank them based on their late season results = not so dumb(in my opinion). By the same token, you might think the same would apply for Stoops and sucky ou, but not so much yet. In the end, besides beating Florida in the National Championship game, it's hard for me to see how it ended poorly. Texas #3, BCS win against a Big 10 team, ou lost, and a$m watched it all.


Kind of funny how no one brings them up at all(except me). Talk about irrelevant.

The only way A&M should be brought up in these discussions is if an Aggie came out and tried to argue A&M being relevant in football since 1998. I have not seen that being done so I do not see why A&M should be brought up.
That said, do we consider winning conference championships late season results? Last time I checked in the Big 12 those are won in December and the game before the bowl is played which in my mind = late season results and in that case one should hardly be throwing stones at OU. OU pwns the rest of the Big 12 and its not even close right now. Thats why its so funny to see Texas fan attempt and justify being on the same page as OU. They're not.

[Firebird]

Removing the Big 10's bid would be dumb. Looking at where you rank them based on their late season results = not so dumb(in my opinion). By the same token, you might think the same would apply for Stoops and sucky ou, but not so much yet. In the end, besides beating Florida in the National Championship game, it's hard for me to see how it ended poorly. Texas #3, BCS win against a Big 10 team, ou lost, and a$m watched it all.


Kind of funny how no one brings them up at all(except me). Talk about irrelevant.

Every sip should have this inked on his forehead for when he looks in the mirror each morning...

http://modmycomments.com/x/celeb-quotes/ricky-bobby-if-you-aint-first.jpg

[farmerfan]

None of it makes sense in my opinion. In the end I think we are stuck pretty much together, until it's all busted up into super conferences w/a playoff etc.

So is it safe to say that most who are affiliated with Texas are happy with where they are and its those who are not are the ones seeking to go play in a "weaker" conference so they can help win more championships?

[pied]

The only way A&M should be brought up in these discussions is if an Aggie came out and tried to argue A&M being relevant in football since 1998. I have not seen that being done so I do not see why A&M should be brought up.
That said, do we consider winning conference championships late season results? Last time I checked in the Big 12 those are won in December and the game before the bowl is played which in my mind = late season results and in that case one should hardly be throwing stones at OU. OU pwns the rest of the Big 12 and its not even close right now. Thats why its so funny to see Texas fan attempt and justify being on the same page as OU. They're not.

ou went to the Big 12 game because they were ranked higher. If a very few people had voted differently they would not have made the Big 12 Title game. (Impossible to do), but if you had the exact situation this year, do you think that some of the voters might consider that, and vote Texas higher?

I do.

[pied]

So is it safe to say that most who are affiliated with Texas are happy with where they are and its those who are not are the ones seeking to go play in a "weaker" conference so they can help win more championships?

I don't think any one from Texas, administration or otherwise is seeking to go anywhere. I can certainly see how other conferences might see having Texas, their tradition and TV sets might find us attractive though.

[stevefoxsc]

Bring it in all you want. We all know games played in the 50's and 60's are relevant for today's arguments. The Big 12 champ can't even beat the SEC champ and we all know Texas hardly ever wins the Big 12. As I said, until you can consistently compete for and win championships in a weaker conference you want no part of Big Daddy.

obviously because its not like some struggling program will just beat last season national champion...

OH WAIT MICHIGAN!

[farmerfan]

obviously because its not like some struggling program will just beat last season national champion...

OH WAIT MICHIGAN!

losing to Michigan > losing to Tech
losing to Michigan > losing to A&M
losing to Michigan > losing to K-State

[farmerfan]

ou went to the Big 12 game because they were ranked higher. If a very few people had voted differently they would not have made the Big 12 Title game. (Impossible to do), but if you had the exact situation this year, do you think that some of the voters might consider that, and vote Texas higher?

I do.

Doesn't matter why they went, the fact is they did go and Texas did not and that they won another conference title while Texas was once again on the outside looking in. Spin it any way you'd like but the fact is that OU once again is considered the best team in the Big 12 for the year 2008.
As for this year, who knows how voters will vote. If the situation presents itself and OU beats OSU and Tech the way they did while Texas struggles to beat both then they just may vote OU ahead again.

[pied]

Doesn't matter why they went, the fact is they did go and Texas did not and that they won another conference title while Texas was once again on the outside looking in. Spin it any way you'd like but the fact is that OU once again is considered the best team in the Big 12 for the year 2008.
As for this year, who knows how voters will vote. If the situation presents itself and OU beats OSU and Tech the way they did while Texas struggles to beat both then they just may vote OU ahead again.

Actually to my point it does. There was talk that Texas should have gone instead of ou, and not just from whorn fans, I am taklinga bout the guys on ESPN and the National media. I think that Stoops losing, again, in a BCS game may hurt them in future situations.

Like I stated earlier, it is what it is, and the way things worked out was ok by me. There was only one other situation that would have been better in the end and that would be a title. As it is, we got a little bit of good pub out of it, another top 3 ranking, won a BCS game, and beat a top program. Poor us.....

[farmerfan]

Actually to my point it does. There was talk that Texas should have gone instead of ou, and not just from whorn fans, I am taklinga bout the guys on ESPN and the National media. I think that Stoops losing, again, in a BCS game may hurt them in future situations.

Like I stated earlier, it is what it is, and the way things worked out was ok by me. There was only one other situation that would have been better in the end and that would be a title. As it is, we got a little bit of good pub out of it, another top 3 ranking, won a BCS game, and beat a top program. Poor us.....

Texas received good pub from ESPN and others?
But we have been led to believe that ESPiN is good for nothing but USC loving and hating on Texas. So what they had to say has no merit right? Those same Texas fans have also told us that tOSU is not a top program so color me confused with what you're saying :confused:

The way it ended for Texas might have been good but the fact remains that OU had the better season by adding another Big 12 trophy and playing for a national title while Texas did not.

[twcpfan1]

I think the way Texas just managed to squeak by a very bad tOSU team pretty much validates OU's selection to play in the NC. Even I was arguing that Texas should have gone. But not after that game. What blew me away is that after the bowl games a lot of horn fans were actually arguing that Texas should finish ranked higher than USC inspite of the obliteration of Penn State who are miles better than tOSU.

[farmerfan]

I think the way Texas just managed to squeak by a very bad tOSU team pretty much validates OU's selection to play in the NC. Even I was arguing that Texas should have gone. But not after that game. What blew me away is that after the bowl games a lot of horn fans were actually arguing that Texas should finish ranked higher than USC inspite of the obliteration of Penn State who are miles better than tOSU.

Or the fact that same USC team :Censor: slapped tOSU all over the field when they met earlier in the season too;)

[Dawg Fan]

man this thread has turned out to be a classic! Popping the corn as we speak!:notworthy

[pied]

I think the way Texas just managed to squeak by a very bad tOSU team pretty much validates OU's selection to play in the NC. Even I was arguing that Texas should have gone. But not after that game. What blew me away is that after the bowl games a lot of horn fans were actually arguing that Texas should finish ranked higher than USC inspite of the obliteration of Penn State who are miles better than tOSU.

Penn State 13 -tOSU 6 at State College.

We have vastly different definitions of obliteration.

[twcpfan1]

Penn State 13 -tOSU 6 at State College.

We have vastly different definitions of obliteration.

Funny, I thought I was talking about the USC - Penn State score.

In any case, did USC not kill both teams?

But if you're implying Texas should still be ranked higher than USC.. hey, go with it.

[pied]

Texas received good pub from ESPN and others?
But we have been led to believe that ESPiN is good for nothing but USC loving and hating on Texas. So what they had to say has no merit right? Those same Texas fans have also told us that tOSU is not a top program so color me confused with what you're saying :confused:

The way it ended for Texas might have been good but the fact remains that OU had the better season by adding another Big 12 trophy and playing for a national title while Texas did not.

Texas = 12-1, #3
ou = 12-2, #5

Texas 45
ou 35


hmmmm

[pied]

Funny, I thought I was talking about the USC - Penn State score.

In any case, did USC not kill both teams?

But if you're implying Texas should still be ranked higher than USC.. hey, go with it.


oops I'm sorry I meant different definitions of "miles better".

[pied]

Funny, I thought I was talking about the USC - Penn State score.

In any case, did USC not kill both teams?

But if you're implying Texas should still be ranked higher than USC.. hey, go with it.


My arguement would go something like, their loss was worse. Losing to a team that lost four games, and was 1-2 at the time of the game, and lost the game afterward was worse than losing to the then #5 team in the nation was a better loss. Texas faced the #1, #11, #8, and #7 teams in succesive weeks, losing one game in the final seconds. Although USC beat tOSU more than Texas, Texas' body of work against better competition was better and their lone loss was better.

That being said, no biggie.

[twcpfan1]

My arguement would go something like, their loss was worse. Losing to a team that lost four games, and was 1-2 at the time of the game, and lost the game afterward was worse than losing to the then #5 team in the nation was a better loss. Texas faced the #1, #11, #8, and #7 teams in succesive weeks, losing one game in the final seconds. Although USC beat tOSU more than Texas, Texas' body of work against better competition was better and their lone loss was better.

That being said, no biggie.

I guess one could argue that the Tech loss wasn't that good considering how Tech did in the Bowl game and the OU game. But hey, no biggie. It was months ago.

[pied]

I guess one could argue that the Tech loss wasn't that good considering how Tech did in the Bowl game and the OU game. But hey, no biggie. It was months ago.

Yep, but Texas still ranked #3 and ou #5 after choking another BCS game.

[farmerfan]

Texas = 12-1, #3
ou = 12-2, #5

Texas 45
ou 35


hmmmm

Oklahoma - Big 12 champs

Texas - *

[farmerfan]

My arguement would go something like, their loss was worse. Losing to a team that lost four games, and was 1-2 at the time of the game, and lost the game afterward was worse than losing to the then #5 team in the nation was a better loss. Texas faced the #1, #11, #8, and #7 teams in succesive weeks, losing one game in the final seconds. Although USC beat tOSU more than Texas, Texas' body of work against better competition was better and their lone loss was better.

That being said, no biggie.

But Oregon State won their bowl game and Tech did not:confused:

[pied]

But Oregon State won their bowl game and Tech did not:confused:

and lost to Stanford.

Get in the "wayback machine" for a second. Was there more hype for USC's mid week trip to 1-2 Corvallis or Texas' trip to Lubbock?

[stevefoxsc]

losing to Michigan > losing to Tech
losing to Michigan > losing to A&M
losing to Michigan > losing to K-State

thats like saying

Rosie > Jessica Alba

[twcpfan1]

One thing the world can always count on. We as Texas football fans at every level will scream the loudest about how we are superior compared to the rest of the country and at the same time appear to be most defensive when questioned about it. Talking about all levels of football.

[svhorns]

Imagine that... Farmer in an argument with no dog in the fight... His hate for Texas is very evident though...

[yankee]

Imagine that... Farmer in an argument with no dog in the fight... His hate for Texas is very evident though...

and yet he still brings up valid points...he's not being a drive-by poster with nothing to add to the conversation.

[pied]

Imagine that... Farmer in an argument with no dog in the fight... His hate for Texas is very evident though...

I am not even sure what we're arguing about. I've never complained about Texas not going to the Big XII championship game. I don't think tOSU/USC are over rated. Certainly no one can argue that ou doesn't suck, so I am kind of lost.

[farmerfan]

Imagine that... Farmer in an argument with no dog in the fight... His hate for Texas is very evident though...

Imagaine that, SV being a tool and somebody who also has not dog in the fight. How are those classes at UT going? Oh thats right. You have just as much of an affiliation to Texas as I do. Wow.
Before you go there, I know I have none towards UGa either.

[svhorns]

and yet he still brings up valid points...he's not being a drive-by poster with nothing to add to the conversation.

I never said his points weren't valid... he knows his sports there's no denying that... but I think he lets his hatred for Texas get in the way of some of his arguments making him look jealous or bitter... he used the same tactics in the best high school coach debate...

[farmerfan]

thats like saying

Rosie > Jessica Alba

except that Jessica Alba = Michigan and K-Statex2, A&Mx2 and Tech = Rosie.

[svhorns]

Imagaine that, SV being a tool and somebody who also has not dog in the fight. How are those classes at UT going? Oh thats right. You have just as much of an affiliation to Texas as I do. Wow.
Before you go there, I know I have none towards UGa either.

Yes farmer I'm a stupid tool... it goes unsaid...

[farmerfan]

I never said his points weren't valid... he knows his sports there's no denying that... but I think he lets his hatred for Texas get in the way of some of his arguments making him look jealous or bitter... he used the same tactics in the best high school coach debate...

Hated for Texas?
Try the arrogance of Texas fans is what is leading to debate.
According to SVHorns here is how arguments go?
We're Texas and we make the rules and we're the best because "we're Texas" and we say we're to good to be in the Big12 and nobody better question it. If you do, you are letting your hatred get in the way.
Oh yeah, despite OU having mor conference titles than us we're still better than them because "we're Texas*".

As for the best HS coach, Coach Hill is nowhere near the top 5 until he wins a title. He especially is not better than Lineweaver. Only a "homer" full of Metromess hate would attempt to argue that

[pied]

Hated for Texas?
Try the arrogance of Texas fans is what is leading to debate.

We're Texas and we make the rules and we're the best because "we're Texas" and we say we're to good to be in the Big12 and nobody better question it. If you do, you are letting your hatred get in the way.
Oh yeah, despite OU having mor conference titles than us we're still better than them because "we're Texas".



There is some hope for Farmer.

[farmerfan]

Yes farmer I'm a stupid tool... it goes unsaid...

You're far from stupid.
Tool, yes
Stupid, no.

[farmerfan]

One thing the world can always count on. We as Texas football fans at every level will scream the loudest about how we are superior compared to the rest of the country and at the same time appear to be most defensive when questioned about it. Talking about all levels of football.

we invented Football. remember?;)

[svhorns]

Hated for Texas?
Try the arrogance of Texas fans is what is leading to debate.
According to SVHorns here is how arguments go?
We're Texas and we make the rules and we're the best because "we're Texas" and we say we're to good to be in the Big12 and nobody better question it. If you do, you are letting your hatred get in the way.
Oh yeah, despite OU having mor conference titles than us we're still better than them because "we're Texas*".

As for the best HS coach, Coach Hill is nowhere near the top 5 until he wins a title. He especially is not better than Lineweaver. Only a "homer" full of Metromess hate would attempt to argue that

I fail to see my arrogance in this debate... I thought posts #49 and 50 were fair and I felt that saying Nebraska isn't as consistent as OU or Texas was pretty fair also... I don't know what imaginary conversation you have going on in your head there farmer but it does make you look pretty envious of UT football...

[pied]

we invented Football. remember?;)

You have to admit that most SEC teams are about on par w/the fourth or fifth place Big 12 team. Don't know why anyone woud take umbrage with that, it's a compliment...

[farmerfan]

and lost to Stanford.

Get in the "wayback machine" for a second. Was there more hype for USC's mid week trip to 1-2 Corvallis or Texas' trip to Lubbock?

So Bowl games only matter when we're making a point to fit our own agenda? Who cares about the hype leading up to the game, clearly at the end of the season Oregon State was playing better than Tech. Right?

[farmerfan]

I fail to see my arrogance in this debate... I thought posts #49 and 50 were fair and I felt that saying Nebraska isn't as consistent as OU or Texas was pretty fair also... I don't know what imaginary conversation you have going on in your head there farmer but it does make you look pretty envious of UT football...

I don't hate UT football. I hate the fans who have those imaginary conversations in their head who think somehow someway that they have been on par with the likes of OU, USC, tOSU, LSU and UF over the past several years. They make the outrageous comments and then somebody comes along and questions those and they are labeled haters? I'll take the hater label if you and other horn fans admit your jealousy over OU because with the way the Horn fans constantly discuss them it clearly shows how jealous they have been of OU's success compared to that of Texas.

[farmerfan]

You have to admit that most SEC teams are about on par w/the fourth or fifth place Big 12 team. Don't know why anyone woud take umbrage with that, it's a compliment...

I guess so. Maybe Georgia can petition to join the Big East so they can win as many conference titles as their daddy UF.

[slorch]

Imagine that... Farmer in an argument with no dog in the fight... His hate for Texas is very evident though...

definitely one of the better qualities in a great guy...:D

[svhorns]

I don't hate UT football. I hate the fans who have those imaginary conversations in their head who think somehow someway that they have been on par with the likes of OU, USC, tOSU, LSU and UF over the past several years. They make the outrageous comments and then somebody comes along and questions those and they are labeled haters? I'll take the hater label if you and other horn fans admit your jealousy over OU because with the way the Horn fans constantly discuss them it clearly shows how jealous they have been of OU's success compared to that of Texas.

We've beaten tOSU 2 of the last 3 games and we've beaten OU 3 of the last 4 games... the last time we played LSU we beat them and the last time we played USC we beat them also... We have a National Championship to go along with a Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl wins... I really don't see why you wouldn't put us in that group of teams.

[pied]

So Bowl games only matter when we're making a point to fit our own agenda? Who cares about the hype leading up to the game, clearly at the end of the season Oregon State was playing better than Tech. Right?

Not necessarily.

Oregon State finished the year by barely baeting Arizona 19-17, getting the crap kicked out of them in the Civil War at home 65-38, and beating Pitt 3-0 in their Bowl game. Texas Tech limped along as well, but not quite as bad as the BEavers in my opinion. Not in the opinion of the voters either. Tech was # 12 and Oregon State # 19 in the final rankings.

[slorch]

Since 1970...Some close games in that mix..

Texas vs SEC

Date Opponent (record) Result Score Site
9/27/2008 vs. Arkansas (5-7) W 52 10
9/11/2004 @ Arkansas (5-6) W 22 20
9/13/2003 vs. Arkansas (9-4) L 28 38
1/1/2003 vs. Louisiana State (8-5) W 35 20 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl
1/1/2000 vs. Arkansas (8-4) L 6 27 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl
1/1/1999 vs. Mississippi State (8-5) W 38 11 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl
9/5/1992 vs. Mississippi State (7-5) L 10 28
9/7/1991 @ Mississippi State (7-5) L 6 13
9/21/1991 vs. Auburn (5-6) L 10 14
9/5/1987 @ Auburn (9-1-2) L 3 31
9/15/1984 vs. Auburn (9-4) W 35 27
9/17/1983 @ Auburn (11-1) W 20 7
1/2/1984 vs. Georgia (10-1-1) L 9 10 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl
1/1/1982 vs. Alabama (9-2-1) W 14 12 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl
12/30/1974 vs. Auburn (10-2) L 3 27 @ Jacksonville, FL Gator Bowl
1/1/1973 vs. Alabama (10-2) W 17 13 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl

well by all means, get out the asterisks if games were close...:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

We've beaten tOSU 2 of the last 3 games and we've beaten OU 3 of the last 4 games... the last time we played LSU we beat them and the last time we played USC we beat them also... We have a National Championship to go along with a Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl wins... I really don't see why you wouldn't put us in that group of teams.

Because all have won at leas as many BCS titles and all have won more conference titles as well if you go back to 2000. USC has won I believe 6 conference titles, OU has won 6 as well, to go along with UF winning 3, LSU winning 3 and tOSU winning I believe 4 if not 5. All those trump what Texas has done big time. Texas is next on the list after those teams but does not belong in the argument with them. Win another conference title and then we'll talk. Until then, Texas fans get the just SHUT UP award.

[farmerfan]

Not necessarily.

Oregon State finished the year by barely baeting Arizona 19-17, getting the crap kicked out of them in the Civil War at home 65-38, and beating Pitt 3-0 in their Bowl game. Texas Tech limped along as well, but not quite as bad as the BEavers in my opinion. Not in the opinion of the voters either. Tech was # 12 and Oregon State # 19 in the final rankings.

Barely beating Arizona is roughly equal to barely beating Baylor.
Losing 65-38 not nearly as rough as losing 60 to whatever it was OU beat Tech by. Beating Pitt 3-0 trumps losing to Ole Miss in a Bowl Game right. I mean Texas fans have told us it doesnt matter who OU has played in comparison to Texas in their bowl games. All that matter is they lost them and Texas did not.

[svhorns]

Because all have won at leas as many BCS titles and all have won more conference titles as well if you go back to 2000. USC has won I believe 6 conference titles, OU has won 6 as well, to go along with UF winning 3, LSU winning 3 and tOSU winning I believe 4 if not 5. All those trump what Texas has done big time. Texas is next on the list after those teams but does not belong in the argument with them. Win another conference title and then we'll talk. Until then, Texas fans get the just SHUT UP award.

Texas isn't elite because of a dropped interception. That's what you just said in all that blabber.

[pied]

Barely beating Arizona is roughly equal to barely beating Baylor.
Losing 65-38 not nearly as rough as losing 60 to whatever it was OU beat Tech by. Beating Pitt 3-0 trumps losing to Ole Miss in a Bowl Game right. I mean Texas fans have told us it doesnt matter who OU has played in comparison to Texas in their bowl games. All that matter is they lost them and Texas did not.


Are you saying Oregon > ou?

[farmerfan]

Are you saying Oregon > ou?

No I am not. I am just using your logic. So you agree that,

UF>tOSU
WVU>Arizona St
Boise St>Iowa
USC>Michigan
LSU>Washington St

[farmerfan]

Texas isn't elite because of a dropped interception. That's what you just said in all that blabber.

Refresh my mind in regards to the dropped interception?

[svhorns]

Refresh my mind in regards to the dropped interception?

Texas Tech game... Blake Gideon... through the hands...

http://insidetexas.com/media/images/article/1225608165.jpg

[slorch]

Texas isn't elite because of a dropped interception. That's what you just said in all that blabber.

no. they're not elite because they wasted the refs bailing them out on the Shipley return for a TD while ignoring the two blocks in the back that caused them to invauluntarily throw their flags, only to rescind their judgment after considering the checks in their pockets...


Actually, i do look at UT as definitely an elite program...that underachieves.

[farmerfan]

Texas Tech game... Blake Gideon... through the hands...

http://insidetexas.com/media/images/article/1225608165.jpg

So if you use that argument then we also have to use the Matt Jones fumble in the Arkansas game as they were driving for the winning score and he fumbles inside the Texas 20. He holds on to the ball and then Arkansas kicks the FG and wins the game if not score the TD. Final score, 22-20 Texas. That takes away the first picture Hum posted.

In 2005 we have to use the dropped TD pass by tOSU TE in teh endzone that would have won the game for tOSU and most likely sent PSU or tOSU to the national championship game over Texas. Final score there, 25-22 Texas.
There goes pic 2 that Hum posted

This past year, tOSU holds on to the ball a tad longer and does not blitz their LB's on Quans TD then they win that game too. Thus taking aay picture 3 that HUM posted.

Somehow though I didn't expect you to bring those situations up.

[farmerfan]

no. they're not elite because they wasted the refs bailing them out on the Shipley return for a TD while ignoring the two blocks in the back that caused them to invauluntarily throw their flags, only to rescind their judgment after considering the checks in their pockets...


Actually, i do look at UT as definitely an elite program...that underachieves.

How about UT as an underachieving program that wishes itself to be considered elite?;)

And yes SVHorns, I would not say UGA is elite either. I would rank them behind UT

[pied]

Fun with numbers. Using the AP poll since '02(because that's what ESPN goes back to:


..................'02....03....04....05....06....0 7....08.....avg....high....low....
USC...............4....1......1......2.....4...... .3......3......3......1.........4
tOSU..............1....4......20....4.....2....... 5......9......6......1.........20
Texas.............6...12.....5......1.....13.....1 0.....4......7......1.........13
ou.................5.....3.....3......22....11.... .8......5.......8.....1.........22
LSU..............NR....2.....16.....6......3...... 1......NR....12.....1.........NR(twice)
Florida...........NR...24.....NR....12....1......1 3.....1......15....1..........NR(twice)

National Titles
LSU-2
FL-2
USC-1*(I'd give them two)
Texas-1
tOSU-1
ou-1

Conf Titles
USC-7, 3 outright, 4 shared
tOSU-5, 2 outright, 3 shared
ou-4
LSU-2
FL-2
Texas-1*(just kidding with the *)

BCS games
USC 6-1
LSU 3-0
Texas 2-0
Florida 2-0
tOSU 3-3
ou 1-5

So, what do we have,first if it's ok with everyone let's just set USC to the side. Anyone that calls them over rated is a dope.

OK, now to the rest of the teams. Only two Florida and LSU have one more than one title. Each won the conference titlein the same year they won the National title(duh). Interestingly, both are the only teams to have finished outised the top 25, and LSU did it the first year and the last year, 02/08. Florida has two top ten finshes, both #1. The years they don't win it all, they don't finish top ten either, weird. LSU was more consistent but also with two NR years.

ou, one National title, a lot of conference titles, one stinker year(relatively) and a very unenviable 1-5 record in the BCS games. They were also put on probation for enormous cheating. Strangely enough that was their worst year.

tOSU-only stinker year was #20, a lot of conf titles(even though several were shared), a .500 record in BCS games , but on an 0-3 streak,

Texas, among this group, the only thing lacking is conf titles. One National title, third highest ranking, and the lowest, "low" ranking at #13 opposed to tOSU's #20, ou's #22, and LSU/FL's multiple NR's. In addition, their avg. ranking is above ou/LSU/FL, and one behind tOSU.

During this time period, Texas is:

1-0 vs. LSU
1-0 vs. USC
2-1 vs. tOSU
3-4 vs. ou



All of that and I would till stick to what I said this afternoon.

I think USC is just about the best thing going(as far as top notch college teams go). I would follow that up with a cluster of tOSU/Texas/Florida/LSU/ou. I know I am likely leaving someone out, but I think USC is at the top. The rest have good cases, and the argument certainly would be biased.
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[stevefoxsc]

except that Jessica Alba = Michigan and K-Statex2, A&Mx2 and Tech = Rosie.

past success =/= guarantee current success or else we would just watch IVY league schools play in bowl games.

[farmerfan]

Fun with numbers. Using the AP poll since '02(because that's what ESPN goes back to:


..................'02....03....04....05....06....0 7....08.....avg....high....low....
USC...............4....1......1......2.....4...... .3......3......3......1.........4
tOSU..............1....4......20....4.....2....... 5......9......6......1.........20
Texas.............6...12.....5......1.....13.....1 0.....4......7......1.........13
ou.................5.....3.....3......22....11.... .8......5.......8.....1.........22
LSU..............NR....2.....16.....6......3...... 1......NR....12.....1.........NR(twice)
Florida...........NR...24.....NR....12....1......1 3.....1......15....1..........NR(twice)

National Titles
LSU-2
FL-2
USC-1*(I'd give them two)
Texas-1
tOSU-1
ou-1

Conf Titles
USC-7, 3 outright, 4 shared
tOSU-5, 2 outright, 3 shared
ou-4
LSU-2
FL-2
Texas-1*(just kidding with the *)

BCS games
USC 6-1
LSU 3-0
Texas 2-0
Florida 2-0
tOSU 3-3
ou 1-5

So, what do we have,first if it's ok with everyone let's just set USC to the side. Anyone that calls them over rated is a dope.

OK, now to the rest of the teams. Only two Florida and LSU have one more than one title. Each won the conference titlein the same year they won the National title(duh). Interestingly, both are the only teams to have finished outised the top 25, and LSU did it the first year and the last year, 02/08. Florida has two top ten finshes, both #1. The years they don't win it all, they don't finish top ten either, weird. LSU was more consistent but also with two NR years.

ou, one National title, a lot of conference titles, one stinker year(relatively) and a very unenviable 1-5 record in the BCS games. They were also put on probation for enormous cheating. Strangely enough that was their worst year.

tOSU-only stinker year was #20, a lot of conf titles(even though several were shared), a .500 record in BCS games , but on an 0-3 streak,

Texas, among this group, the only thing lacking is conf titles. One National title, third highest ranking, and the lowest, "low" ranking at #13 opposed to tOSU's #20, ou's #22, and LSU/FL's multiple NR's. In addition, their avg. ranking is above ou/LSU/FL, and one behind tOSU.

During this time period, Texas is:

1-0 vs. LSU
1-0 vs. USC
2-1 vs. tOSU
3-4 vs. ou



All of that and I would till stick to what I said this afternoon.


Rankings are fine and dandy but most would agree when talking about truly elite teams and programs that hardware is the best judgment and all teams we are discussing have more hardware to show for than Texas. One more confernce title or another national title then Texas passes the likes of UF, LSU and tOSU. They need another 5 though to pass OU for Big 12 supremacy.

[farmerfan]

past success =/= guarantee current success or else we would just watch IVY league schools play in bowl games.

Whatever that means :confused:
You were the one who brought up the past.
I think most would argue that Michigan in the year you were refering to was better than A&M and K-State.

[pied]

Rankings are fine and dandy but most would agree when talking about truly elite teams and programs that hardware is the best judgment and all teams we are discussing have more hardware to show for than Texas. One more confernce title or another national title then Texas passes the likes of UF, LSU and tOSU. They need another 5 though to pass OU for Big 12 supremacy.

How do you rank FL vs. ou?

[farmerfan]

How do you rank FL vs. ou?

Thats a tough one. I would say that BCS titles ultimately trump conference titles and UF with their 2 along with the 3 conference titles since 2000 rank slighty ahead of OU and their 1 BCS title and 6 conference titles. Same with LSU. The tougher one is where does UF and LSU rank right now in comparison to USC?
How about you?
How would you rank USC, OU, LSU, UF and tOSU?

[cajun]

Fun with numbers. Using the AP poll since '02(because that's what ESPN goes back to:


..................'02....03....04....05....06....0 7....08.....avg....high....low....
USC...............4....1......1......2.....4...... .3......3......3......1.........4
tOSU..............1....4......20....4.....2....... 5......9......6......1.........20
Texas.............6...12.....5......1.....13.....1 0.....4......7......1.........13
ou.................5.....3.....3......22....11.... .8......5.......8.....1.........22
LSU..............NR....2.....16.....6......3...... 1......NR....12.....1.........NR(twice)
Florida...........NR...24.....NR....12....1......1 3.....1......15....1..........NR(twice)

National Titles
LSU-2
FL-2
USC-1*(I'd give them two)
Texas-1
tOSU-1
ou-1


Nick Satan was right...Thanks for reminding me who was #2 in 2005...

All I know is if Florida or LSU wins the National Title this year that will be just plain nasty!...:cool:

[pied]

Thats a tough one. I would say that BCS titles ultimately trump conference titles and UF with their 2 along with the 3 conference titles since 2000 rank slighty ahead of OU and their 1 BCS title and 6 conference titles. Same with LSU. The tougher one is where does UF and LSU rank right now in comparison to USC?
How about you?
How would you rank USC, OU, LSU, UF and tOSU?

1. USC
2. UF/LSU/tOSU/ou(alphabetically)

[farmerfan]

1. USC
2. UF/LSU/tOSU/ou(alphabetically)

Fair Enough.
After that is where I would put Texas followed by UGA but the seperation between Texas and UGA is pretty wide right now.

[pied]

I would disagree, but I am biased and admit that. I think conference championships are important, but also feel it's difficult when discussing teams at a National level. The Big 10/Pac10 ahve no title game and have multiple shared titles. The set up in the SEC/Big XII out them at a disadvantage in that regard. It is most certainly not a apples/apples comparison. The Texas/ou situation is unique in this regard since the winner 6 of 7 times has gone to the Conf championship game(this year eing the exception). The remaining years, the loser of this game(I believe this is correct), would have made the conf title game as the second best team.

I think it is a big factor, but not sure I would have that higher than final ranking. Probably ahead of BCS wins, but not 100% sold on that. Mind you I am talking about judging teams from a National perspective.

[farmerfan]

I would disagree, but I am biased and admit that. I think conference championships are important, but also feel it's difficult when discussing teams at a National level. The Big 10/Pac10 ahve no title game and have multiple shared titles. The set up in the SEC/Big XII out them at a disadvantage in that regard. It is most certainly not a apples/apples comparison. The Texas/ou situation is unique in this regard since the winner 6 of 7 times has gone to the Conf championship game(this year eing the exception). The remaining years, the loser of this game(I believe this is correct), would have made the conf title game as the second best team.

I think it is a big factor, but not sure I would have that higher than final ranking. Probably ahead of BCS wins, but not 100% sold on that. Mind you I am talking about judging teams from a National perspective.

As long as you admit your biased then nothing wrong with that.
Do you agree that OU>Texas when ranking the Big12?

[pied]

As long as you admit your biased then nothing wrong with that.
Do you agree that OU>Texas when ranking the Big12?

Are you talking about suck? certainly.

[rdz1965]

Surely, this is bogus info. The ACC? Seriously? At least not for football. As someone else said, the PAC 10 would have been more believable. If UT leaves the Big XII, I would love for it to be the SEC.

ut can't compete in the SEC , The SEC is a real football conference Longhorn fans would have to cry after every loss to florida, alabama, mississippi , georgia and lsu . It would be too much for ut fans to take, maybe they have a shot in golf in the Sec. I don't think mac is ready for a real conference like the SEC

[pied]

As long as you admit your biased then nothing wrong with that.
Do you agree that OU>Texas when ranking the Big12?

In all seriousness, I don't think Texas should be excluded from the discussion. You aer using one piece of criteria to exclude them. Even by your own admission, one more conf title and they would be ahead of FL/LSU with two National titles, and tOSU who ranks ahead of them in avg ranking.

One more confernce title or another national title then Texas passes the likes of UF, LSU and tOSU. They need another 5 though to pass OU for Big 12 supremacy.

To me that is placing too much importance on one piece of criteria which also has little to do with the other schools. How many would Texas/ou/USC have if Texas and USC switched? What about USC if they switched with LSU?

I don't know.

[pied]

ut can't compete in the SEC , The SEC is a real football conference Longhorn fans would have to cry after every loss to florida, alabama, mississippi , georgia and lsu . It would be too much for ut fans to take, maybe they have a shot in golf in the Sec. I don't think mac is ready for a real conference like the SEC

boo hoo

[farmerfan]

In all seriousness, I don't think Texas should be excluded from the discussion. You aer using one piece of criteria to exclude them. Even by your own admission, one more conf title and they would be ahead of FL/LSU with two National titles, and tOSU who ranks ahead of them in avg ranking.



To me that is placing too much importance on one piece of criteria which also has little to do with the other schools. How many would Texas/ou/USC have if Texas and USC switched? What about USC if they switched with LSU?

I don't know.

I typed to quick and never went back and edited it but wanted to say with another conference title and national title then they would pass the likes of LSU, tOSU and UF. Couldnt pass the others with just a conference title. Stupid typo on my part.

That said, the fact is that Texas isn't in another conference and has failed to win its own on a consistent basis when its own cant even argue to be the top conference in football. tOSU has and right now they trump what Texas has done. Texas needs to do more to be considered with those others. The fact that "We're Texas" isn't good enough here

[pied]

I typed to quick and never went back and edited it but wanted to say with another conference title and national title then they would pass the likes of LSU, tOSU and UF. Couldnt pass the others with just a conference title. Stupid typo on my part.

That said, the fact is that Texas isn't in another conference and has failed to win its own on a consistent basis when its own cant even argue to be the top conference in football. tOSU has and right now they trump what Texas has done. Texas needs to do more to be considered with those others. The fact that "We're Texas" isn't good enough here

Texas is 2-1 aganist tOSU in the last four years. Texas' lowest ranking during the last seven years is #13, tOSU is #20.

[BDB]

ut can't compete in the SEC , The SEC is a real football conference Longhorn fans would have to cry after every loss to florida, alabama, mississippi , georgia and lsu . It would be too much for ut fans to take, maybe they have a shot in golf in the Sec. I don't think mac is ready for a real conference like the SEC

it's that lack of leander talent on the team...

[stevefoxsc]

Whatever that means :confused:
You were the one who brought up the past.
I think most would argue that Michigan in the year you were refering to was better than A&M and K-State.

Did i bring up the pass? I spoke of our academic standards would not fit in. The quote below shows otherwise, and besides no teams in the SEC are consistent either. So how does that make them much different than Texas honestly? Oh i get it they play in a tougher conference, and thats 1.



Bring it in all you want. We all know games played in the 50's and 60's are relevant for today's arguments. The Big 12 champ can't even beat the SEC champ and we all know Texas hardly ever wins the Big 12. As I said, until you can consistently compete for and win championships in a weaker conference you want no part of Big Daddy.

If they are relevant then we should be talking about Yale, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt schools and other IVY league schools that remained unrivaled.

Because we know these schools aren't really that relevant these days.

[farmerfan]

Texas is 2-1 aganist tOSU in the last four years. Texas' lowest ranking during the last seven years is #13, tOSU is #20.

tOSU won as many BCS games and played in more than Texas including national championship games. tOSU>UT

[farmerfan]

Did i bring up the pass? I spoke of our academic standards would not fit in. The quote below shows otherwise, and besides no teams in the SEC are consistent either. So how does that make them much different than Texas honestly? Oh i get it they play in a tougher conference, and thats 1.





If they are relevant then we should be talking about Yale, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt schools and other IVY league schools that remained unrivaled.

Because we know these schools aren't really that relevant these days.

Yes you did bring up the past. You were the one who mentioned UM beating UF.
Yes teams such as UF and LSU have been more consistent in winining championships than Texas has.

[pied]

tOSU won as many BCS games and played in more than Texas including national championship games. tOSU>UT

Just not when they play each other....

[pied]

Yes you did bring up the past. You were the one who mentioned UM beating UF.
Yes teams such as UF and LSU have been more consistent in winining championships than Texas has.

but not in being ranked or winning 9 or 10+ games a year.

[farmerfan]

but not in being ranked or winning 9 or 10+ games a year.

You take your 9 to 10 wins a year and Im sure that UF and LSU will take winning conference and national championships at a higher rate than what Texas has been doing

[cajun]

but not in being ranked or winning 9 or 10+ games a year.

Would Texas win 9 or 10 every year in the SEC?...They might about as much as Florida or LSU....:rolleyes:

[stevefoxsc]

Yes you did bring up the past. You were the one who mentioned UM beating UF.
Yes teams such as UF and LSU have been more consistent in winining championships than Texas has.


oh yes i did...

After you brought up 50's 60's 70's

Then i brought up UM beating UF, and there is a huge difference in 2 years vs a few decades.

UF and LSU have both each have 1 more title than Texas.

[farmerfan]

oh yes i did...

After you brought up 50's 60's 70's

Then i brought up UM beating UF, and there is a huge difference in 2 years vs a few decades.

UF and LSU have both each have 1 more title than Texas.

The 50's-60's comment was in reference to SVHorns and not you, go back and read the post and you will see that I said I quoted the wrong person.
However with that said, your attempt at portraying UF in a bad light was fail simply because the years you were referencing saw UT lose to A&M and K-State.
As for LSU and UF in comparison to Texas and championships. UF won a conference title in 2000, 2006 and 2008. National championships in 06 and 08. LSU won conference titles in 2001, 2003 and 2007 and national champs in 2003 and 2007. Lets compare that with UT now?

[pied]

You take your 9 to 10 wins a year and Im sure that UF and LSU will take winning conference and national championships at a higher rate than what Texas has been doing

Exactly one more. I'd also suggest many more coaches are fired for not winning 9/10+ games a year than doing so and not winning National Championships.

[pied]

Would Texas win 9 or 10 every year in the SEC?...They might about as much as Florida or LSU....:rolleyes:

And they might go undefeated. Who knows.

[farmerfan]

Exactly one more. I'd also suggest many more coaches are fired for not winning 9/10+ games a year than doing so and not winning National Championships.

And two more conference titles in the same time frame. Thus trumping anything Texas can boast about. Thus denying your attempt at moral victory;):D. I highly doubt that if UF wins a national championship every 2-3 years and has a 8 win season in between that Urban would be fired. Same with Leslie.

[pied]

And two more conference titles in the same time frame. Thus trumping anything Texas can boast about. Thus denying your attempt at moral victory;):D. I highly doubt that if UF wins a national championship every 2-3 years and has a 8 win season in between that Urban would be fired. Same with Leslie.

No moral victory, I cleary noted the time frame and why I chose that. Again, I think Conference titles are very important, but not certain they are more important thatn National ranking when discussing Natioanl dominance or elitism or whatever.

[farmerfan]

No moral victory, I cleary noted the time frame and why I chose that. Again, I think Conference titles are very important, but not certain they are more important thatn National ranking when discussing Natioanl dominance or elitism or whatever.

They are important in relevance to national rankings becuse those who win their conference and more likely than not going to be playing another conference champion in their bowl game leaving one a loser and having an impact on the final rankings.

[yankee]

Did i bring up the pass? I spoke of our academic standards would not fit in. The quote below shows otherwise, and besides no teams in the SEC are consistent either. So how does that make them much different than Texas honestly? Oh i get it they play in a tougher conference, and thats 1.





If they are relevant then we should be talking about Yale, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt schools and other IVY league schools that remained unrivaled.

Because we know these schools aren't really that relevant these days.

do you go to ut?

[pied]

They are important in relevance to national rankings becuse those who win their conference and more likely than not going to be playing another conference champion in their bowl game leaving one a loser and having an impact on the final rankings.

And disparate in the terms of the way teams can win them. The PAC 10/Big 10 have multiple champions each year. Not possible in the Big 12/SEC/ACC. ou would have three outright titles in the last 7 years. Funny enough they would not have won in 02(Colorado would have) or 07(Kansas/Missouri) would have split.

[farmerfan]

do you go to ut?

:eek::eek:

He's suppoesdly going to MIT:eek::notworthy:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

And disparate in the terms of the way teams can win them. The PAC 10/Big 10 have multiple champions each year. Not possible in the Big 12/SEC/ACC. ou would have three outright titles in the last 7 years. Funny enough they would not have won in 02(Colorado would have) or 07(Kansas/Missouri) would have split.

I think the last time the Big 10 had split champs was in 2004 and the Pac 10 hasnt had a split champion in a while if memory serves me right. That being said, maybe thats why Texas wants out of the Big12 that way they don't have to * anything :D

[cajun]

And they might go undefeated. Who knows.

Point is Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma and really Texas (up until the last couple years) have had it made in their respective leagues....Big 12 has been tough lately, but it still remains to be seen if they can maintain ...

You look at the recruiting rankings you see who's getting the kids...That's your SEC...

Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma and Texas rule recruiting right now in their leagues...It ain't that way in the SEC...

Look at last years recruiting rankings:...I'm not being a homer, but that's nasty!

1 Alabama 27 4 14 9 3.81 2,786
2 LSU 24 4 11 9 3.79 2,581
3 Ohio State 25 2 15 8 3.76 2,478
4 USC 19 4 11 2 3.89 2,410
5 Texas 20 3 11 6 3.85 2,375
6 Georgia 19 1 14 4 3.84 2,179
7 Florida State 21 2 10 8 3.62 2,154
8 Michigan 22 1 13 6 3.59 2,124
9 North Carolina 29 1 13 10 3.34 2,084
10 Tennessee 21 2 9 10 3.62 2,037
11 Florida 16 3 9 4 3.94 2,017
12 South Carolina 29 0 14 11 3.34 1,952
13 Oklahoma 23 0 11 11 3.43 1,830
14 UCLA 27 0 11 14 3.33 1,752
15 Miami 19 1 9 8 3.53 1,693
16 Arkansas 31 1 8 20 3.26 1,678
17 Michigan State 23 0 10 10 3.30 1,675
18 Ole Miss 37 1 8 22 3.11 1,628
19 Auburn 28 0 9 16 3.21
20 Stanford 22 0 8 12 3.27 1,583

[pied]

I think the last time the Big 10 had split champs was in 2004 and the Pac 10 hasnt had a split champion in a while if memory serves me right. That being said, maybe thats why Texas wants out of the Big12 that way they don't have to * anything :D

You have to go all the way back to last Novemeber for the last shared Big Ten title.....

After sharing the 2008 Big Ten Championship, Ohio State and Penn State picked up two individual awards a piece while Iowa also claimed a pair of individual honors.


http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112408aag.html


We wouldn't need * up there. We would have just put it in the record book.
BIG TEN CHAMPIONSHIPS
(Since Ohio State entered the conference in 1913)
Team .................................................. .....................OutrightTitles............... .........Shared Titles..................................Total
Michigan .................................................. .................16 ...........................................26 ................................42
OHIO STATE .................................................. ..........17 ...........................................15 ................................32
Minnesota .................................................. .................7 ...........................................11 ................................18
Illinois .................................................. ........................8 .............................................7 ................................15
Wisconsin .................................................. .................6 .............................................5 ................................11
Iowa .................................................. ..........................4 .............................................7 ................................11
Northwestern .................................................. ............2 .............................................6 ..................................8
Purdue .................................................. .......................1 .............................................7 ..................................8
Michigan State .................................................. .........3 .............................................3 ..................................6
Chicago .................................................. .....................2 .............................................0 ..................................2
Indiana .................................................. ......................1 .............................................1 ..................................2
Penn State .................................................. .................1 .............................................1 ..................................2

[yankee]

:eek::eek:

He's suppoesdly going to MIT:eek::notworthy:rolleyes:

haha. i'm honestly just curious...

[farmerfan]

You have to go all the way back to last Novemeber for the last shared Big Ten title.....




http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112408aag.html


We wouldn't need * up there. We would have just put it in the record book.

There goes my 04 nonsense. I totally forgot about Iowa beating PSU in Iowa City on that FG.
That being said, Texas isn't in the Big 12 and we would never know if they could or couldnt win their league as much as tOSU has what we do know is that Texas doesn't win the Big 12 too often and that alone puts them behind tOSU on the national scene.

[farmerfan]

haha. i'm honestly just curious...

Something abou video games and how MIT has one of the better programs. Stevo going to make the first ever 5atexasfootball video game for his final project while in Beantown.

[pied]

There goes my 04 nonsense. I totally forgot about Iowa beating PSU in Iowa City on that FG.
That being said, Texas isn't in the Big 12 and we would never know if they could or couldnt win their league as much as tOSU has what we do know is that Texas doesn't win the Big 12 too often and that alone puts them behind tOSU on the national scene.

It's probably time to get out of here for the night, TExas has eben in the Big 12 since '96.

If the Big 12 decided their champion like the Big 10, Texas would have three titles. '01, '05, and '08

[DrEdward]

He's suppoesdly going to MIT:eek::notworthy:rolleyes:

Hey, it's possible. If I managed to wander around the place without getting caught.......:rolleyes: Result of that fine undergraduate education in an ACC school (even if it wasn't ACC at the time; it should have been.)

[farmerfan]

It's probably time to get out of here for the night, TExas has eben in the Big 12 since '96.

If the Big 12 decided their champion like the Big 10, Texas would have three titles. '01, '05, and '08

You know I meant the Big 10.
Whats that saying about If's and Buts?
Once again, the fact is that they dont and Texas can't compalin about it much like they cant compalin about being left out this past year. Texas has not done anything to warrant being in this discussion over the likes of UF, LSU, tOSU, USC and OU.
They especially haven't done anything to suggest they are too good for the Big 12 and want to seek another home.
Good night Pied.

[farmerfan]

Hey, it's possible. If I managed to wander around the place without getting caught.......:rolleyes: Result of that fine undergraduate education in an ACC school (even if it wasn't ACC at the time; it should have been.)

MIT a very fine school as is Va Tech.
I am not saying Stevo isn't going to MIT and like anything else will believe him that he is. I hope he does well there.

[stevefoxsc]

do you go to ut?

no, perhaps i should have said the schools

:eek::eek:

He's suppoesdly going to MIT:eek::notworthy:rolleyes:



2010 for CMS

goal ultimately is to well, design video games.

[yankee]

no, perhaps i should have said the schools





2010 for CMS

ok i was wondering because you said "our academic standards." i'm assuming you were referring to ut?

[DrEdward]

Speaking of the ACC, Texas and Boston, from Today's ACC headlines:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RVLfSMIB7K0/SgL52rwQ7PI/AAAAAAAAUzc/R21fB0aLYwg/s400/Fenway2.jpg (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RVLfSMIB7K0/SgL52rwQ7PI/AAAAAAAAUzc/R21fB0aLYwg/s1600-h/Fenway2.jpg)Talk about your screw ups.

The ACC baseball tournament was supposed to be at Fenway Park, but a scheduling snafu led to a late change and the boys of spring/summer will play instead at the ball park made famous by the movie Bull Durham.

We call that a "significant downgrade."

But that’s OK…to make up for it, the ACC re-scheduled the 2010 tournament back at hallowed Fenway Park – which is makes it all good, unless, of course, you are a senior this year…

But then earlier this week, ACC Commish John Swofford announced that the league was pulling the plug on the trek to the great Northeast since the league needs to cut travel costs.

So instead of going to Boston, ACC teams will travel all the way to Greensboro to play in NewBridge Bank Park, the home of the Class A Greensboro Grasshoppers.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RVLfSMIB7K0/SgL6MB1VT_I/AAAAAAAAUzk/9AKUlz2KOWo/s400/NewBridgeBankParkGrasshoppers.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RVLfSMIB7K0/SgL6MB1VT_I/AAAAAAAAUzk/9AKUlz2KOWo/s1600-h/NewBridgeBankParkGrasshoppers.jpg)Hey, we’ve been there, it’s perfectly nice, but it ain’t no Fenway…

However, all is not lost, NewBridge Bank Park was tabbed by Baseball America (whoever they are?) as the top stadium in the South Atlantic League and the No. 8 overall minor league stadium nationally. The stadium seats 7,499 and has 16 luxury suites.

So they got that going for them…

No trip to Fenway for farmer for the ACC get together. IF Swofford thinks the ACC needs to reduce travel costs now, wait until Texas joins!! :eek:

[stevefoxsc]

ok i was wondering because you said "our academic standards." i'm assuming you were referring to ut?

no i like ut for some aspects but i wouldn't go there for the degree of my choosing.

[BDB]

no i like ut for some aspects but i wouldn't go there for the degree of my choosing.

:Censor: all they have is a damn art degree :Censor:

[lonny23]

It isn't that unbelievable. That an announcement is "imminent" is a bit of a stretch but there have been reports for YEARS that Texas was shopping around for a new conference. The Pac-10, Big 10, and the ACC have been thrown out there numerous times.
I knew it wasn't legit when they included Tech as a sporadic Top 25 team. They've ended the year in the Top 25 in 4 of the last 5 years.

The breakup of the Big 12 sounded too SWC-like.

[oldmojo94]

If I let a QB as a sorry as Harrell beat me on the 20 yard out that he cannot throw, I'd leave in shame too...

See Ya!!!
hehehe.......funny!!

[pied]

You know I meant the Big 10.
Whats that saying about If's and Buts?
Once again, the fact is that they dont and Texas can't compalin about it much like they cant compalin about being left out this past year. Texas has not done anything to warrant being in this discussion over the likes of UF, LSU, tOSU, USC and OU.They especially haven't done anything to suggest they are too good for the Big 12 and want to seek another home.
Good night Pied.

Besides having gone 1-0, 1-0, 2-1 against three of those teams, having won as many National titles as three of those teams, having won having been ranked higher on an average base, not having been ranked as low as four of those teams, and despite having been ranked in each of the last seven years unlike two of the teams you mentioned, I think you might be correct.

Again, we may differ, but in callnig a program elite, I think things like record of double digit wins, being ranked every year, being ranked high every year, and record in Bowl games are factors to be taken into consideration along with National Titles and Conference Titles. Of those criteria, one program talked about meets all of them, and the rest fail on at least one.

[BDB]

speaking of our tin-foiled tcehlahoma leader, and west texas sour puss...


how come tceh wasn't part of this fake move to the ACC?

i guess it's more believable when you have 2 programs with a stable fanbase and history of success to deal with ;)

[BDB]

Besides having gone 1-0, 1-0, 2-1 against three of those teams, having won as many National titles as three of those teams, having won having been ranked higher on an average base, not having been ranked as low as four of those teams, and despite having been ranked in each of the last seven years unlike two of the teams you mentioned, I think you might be correct.

Again, we may differ, but in callnig a program elite, I think things like record of double digit wins, being ranked every year, being ranked high every year, and record in Bowl games are factors to be taken into consideration along with National Titles and Conference Titles. Of those criteria, one program talked about meets all of them, and the rest fail on at least one.

i know what you're doing, and i agree with presenting it that way, but the thing famah and the playa hata's of the board are gonna harp on is no conf. championships. personally, second place a conference and a BCS bowl win aren't exactly capitol one bowl status, but it isn't national title contention status (EXCEPT this past year...maybe 05, i can't remember)either. so i'll pretty much accept being a close second (behind lsu, fla, usc, blowu) until we get a couple more conf. championships, just to shut them up.


the hate is strong with these ones.

[pied]

It's a very good point that I agree with. I just don't think a conference title trumps all. The ACC champion was Va Tech. They finished 10-4 and #15. Texas finished 12-1 and #3. Which team was more succesful in '08?

[BDB]

It's a very good point that I agree with. I just don't think a conference title trumps all. The ACC champion was Va Tech. They finished 10-4 and #15. Texas finished 12-1 and #3. Which team was more succesful in '08?

i agree with you, but you know damn well you're not gonna get people like FF and oldmojo to say anything positive about texas.

take their posts with a grain of salt....some lemon.... maybe a shot... it makes the board more tolerable.

[TEXREB]

ut can't compete in the SEC , The SEC is a real football conference Longhorn fans would have to cry after every loss to florida, alabama, mississippi , georgia and lsu . It would be too much for ut fans to take, maybe they have a shot in golf in the Sec. I don't think mac is ready for a real conference like the SEC

You are correct that the SEC would be much tougher week in and week out for Texas, but I think they would hold their own just fine. So you are saying that UT, with a Top 10 football program can't hang in the SEC. Last year UT would have beaten at least 2 of the teams you mentioned (LSU/UGA), 1 probable win(Ole Miss), 1 being a toss up(Bama) and 1 loss to UF. Not saying they'd win every game, but they could and would compete in the SEC.

[Firebird]

We've beaten tOSU 2 of the last 3 games and we've beaten OU 3 of the last 4 games... the last time we played LSU we beat them and the last time we played USC we beat them also... We have a National Championship to go along with a Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl wins... I really don't see why you wouldn't put us in that group of teams.

Typical Horn myopia---

You don't get to be in that group of teams because you've only had one great, championship caliber season in the past 10 years. All of those teams have done it multiple times.

[BDB]

Typical Horn myopia---

You don't get to be in that group of teams because you've only had one great, championship caliber season in the past 10 years. All of those teams have done it multiple times.

"to be the best, you have to beat the best"....


just saying....

[Firebird]

Rankings are fine and dandy but most would agree when talking about truly elite teams and programs that hardware is the best judgment and all teams we are discussing have more hardware to show for than Texas. One more confernce title or another national title then Texas passes the likes of UF, LSU and tOSU. They need another 5 though to pass OU for Big 12 supremacy.

Rankings are the mental equivalent of a *. It's a fan's way of consoling themselves that they are good. "Sure, we didn't win anything of note, but because We're Texas* we are ranked higher than teams that did."

[Firebird]

"to be the best, you have to beat the best and everyone else, too"....


just saying....

fify

[pied]

typical t-sip hater. Only looking at the one facet that Texas is lower in. Not in ranking, not in top wnining season, not in BCS wins or winning percentage.

But I understand.

[BDB]

fify

so throw out oklahoma, florida, lsu, usc, tosu,.......

[BDB]

Rankings are the mental equivalent of a *. It's a fan's way of consoling themselves that they are good. "Sure, we didn't win anything of note, but because We're Texas* we are ranked higher than teams that did."

:laugh

[pied]

fify

Texas is 1-0 vs. USC, 1-0 vs. LSU, 2-1 vs. tOSU, and 3-4 against ou(including 3-1 in the last 4). HAven't played Florida, but is that who you are calling the best?

[Firebird]

typical t-sip hater. Only looking at the one facet that Texas is lower in. Not in ranking, not in top wnining season, not in BCS wins or winning percentage.

But I understand.

That's because in final analysis all that's just fluff. The point of any sport is to win the championship at the end, not to be The Best Team that Should Have Won*.

In terms of assessing success it is:

1. Championship trophies









































100. Everything else

[pied]

Rankings are the mental equivalent of a *. It's a fan's way of consoling themselves that they are good. "Sure, we didn't win anything of note, but because We're Texas* we are ranked higher than teams that did."

Well that is how we determine the National Champion, who is ranked #1. Remember there is no playoff. There is one game whose participants are decided by the ________.

[pied]

That's because in final analysis all that's just fluff. The point of any sport is to win the championship at the end, not to be The Best Team that Should Have Won*.

In terms of assessing success it is:

1. Championship trophies


Who had the more succesful season last year, Texas or Virginia Tech?

[farmerfan]

i agree with you, but you know damn well you're not gonna get people like FF and oldmojo to say anything positive about texas.

take their posts with a grain of salt....some lemon.... maybe a shot... it makes the board more tolerable.

See this is the typical Whorn fan BS.
If you dont say Texas isn't the absolute best at everything then you're not saying anything positive about them. Its as if UT fan is just as cult as they claim those in B-CS to be by being brainwashed to think, "yes, we're Texas, we are the best and anybody who doesn't say we are is not saying anything positive".
I just love it how UT fan cant ever give anybody any credit outside of their own school.
Case in point, see the college football season and people like yourself spend the season whining about "ESPiN", tOSU, USuC and the Big Televen and the SEC being overrated. So dont feed us this BS of people suppoesdly hating on Texas. You and other horn fans "hate" on far more things than those who "hate" on Texas. Get over the eltisim the stats and records of winning championships in football say you're really not as good as you would like to think you are.

[Firebird]

Well that is how we determine the National Champion, who is ranked #1. Remember there is no playoff. There is one game whose participants are decided by the ________.

Tell you what, I'll give you tOSU, by virtue of the fact that UT has a winning record against them and deducting points for the suck of the Big Televen.

LSU/FLA/OU--- No way, keep dreaming. The SEC teams have multiple NCs and multiple SEC championships in the past decade. The SEC is clearly the best college football conference, there should be no doubt about that. OU has an NC and Texas is going to have to actually finish ahead of them in the league standings to belong in that conversation. Try not losing to KSU, A&M, and Tech if you want to belong in that discussion.

[farmerfan]

Besides having gone 1-0, 1-0, 2-1 against three of those teams, having won as many National titles as three of those teams, having won having been ranked higher on an average base, not having been ranked as low as four of those teams, and despite having been ranked in each of the last seven years unlike two of the teams you mentioned, I think you might be correct.

Again, we may differ, but in callnig a program elite, I think things like record of double digit wins, being ranked every year, being ranked high every year, and record in Bowl games are factors to be taken into consideration along with National Titles and Conference Titles. Of those criteria, one program talked about meets all of them, and the rest fail on at least one.

Tell me this, over the last 10 years who's results would you rather have had?
Texas or LSU, UF, OU, USC, tOSU?

[farmerfan]

You are correct that the SEC would be much tougher week in and week out for Texas, but I think they would hold their own just fine. So you are saying that UT, with a Top 10 football program can't hang in the SEC. Last year UT would have beaten at least 2 of the teams you mentioned (LSU/UGA), 1 probable win(Ole Miss), 1 being a toss up(Bama) and 1 loss to UF. Not saying they'd win every game, but they could and would compete in the SEC.

Before you start talking about competing in the SEC, please for the love of God win your current conference more than 2x in 13 years. Then you can start talking about playing in a big boy league. Until then, JUST SHUT UP.

[Firebird]

Tell me this, over the last 10 years who's results would you rather have had?
Texas or LSU, UF, OU, USC, tOSU?

Texas', because they have so many 10 win seasons and the pollsters always really like us. And we have two Big XII Championships.*

[farmerfan]

Tell you what, I'll give you tOSU, by virtue of the fact that UT has a winning record against them and deducting points for the suck of the Big Televen.

LSU/FLA/OU--- No way, keep dreaming. The SEC teams have multiple NCs and multiple SEC championships in the past decade. The SEC is clearly the best college football conference, there should be no doubt about that. OU has an NC and Texas is going to have to actually finish ahead of them in the league standings to belong in that conversation. Try not losing to KSU, A&M, and Tech if you want to belong in that discussion.

You're giving in too easy. SVHorns said Texas was an interception away from being elite and has yet to address the point I made about the 3 close calls in Texas BCS wins seasons. That said, tOSU beat Texas soundly in Austin, lost on a dropped pass by the TE in the endzone in the final minuets in Columbus and lost in the final minute last year. To take one of the arguments Texas fans claim over OU, tOSU has won as many BCS games as Texas and been to more. They havce won as many national championships and played for more too. tOSU has played for as many national championships as Texas has been to BCS games. I have a hard time putting Texas over tOSU right now.

[pied]

Tell you what, I'll give you tOSU, by virtue of the fact that UT has a winning record against them and deducting points for the suck of the Big Televen.

LSU/FLA/OU--- No way, keep dreaming. The SEC teams have multiple NCs and multiple SEC championships in the past decade. The SEC is clearly the best college football conference, there should be no doubt about that. OU has an NC and Texas is going to have to actually finish ahead of them in the league standings to belong in that conversation. Try not losing to KSU, A&M, and Tech if you want to belong in that discussion.


All teams ou has lost to recently? Correct? In addition to Colorado, Ok State, Boise, TCU, and UCLA.

[farmerfan]

Texas', because they have so many 10 win seasons and the pollsters always really like us. And we have two Big XII Championships.*

:D
Don't forget that "ESPiN" hates us and keeps us out of the conference championship games because they love "USuC" who isn't nearly as good as us because they play in a weaker conference but its a conference we now would love to join because the Big 12 sucks and we're too good to win it. We just dont because we believe in sharing the wealth with others.

Signed
"Hater"

[pied]

Tell me this, over the last 10 years who's results would you rather have had?
Texas or LSU, UF, OU, USC, tOSU?

USC's.

[pied]

:D
Don't forget that "ESPiN" hates us and keeps us out of the conference championship games because they love "USuC" who isn't nearly as good as us because they play in a weaker conference but its a conference we now would love to join because the Big 12 sucks and we're too good to win it. We just dont because we believe in sharing the wealth with others.

Signed
"Hater"

I think year in and year out the Big 12 > Pac 10. I also think that the Big 10/Pac10 set up gives them a leg up in getting teams to the National Title game. The Pac 10 having all teams play each other now, levels it out a bit though.

[farmerfan]

All teams ou has lost to recently? Correct? In addition to Colorado, Ok State, Boise, TCU, and UCLA.

The only difference is, OU is still winning the conference. Lets see though, Texas has lost to the likes of Colorado, UCLA, Arkansas, Washington St, Stanford.

[pied]

The only difference is, OU is still winning the conference. Lets see though, Texas has lost to the likes of Colorado, UCLA, Arkansas, Washington St, Stanford.

ten years ago yes.

[farmerfan]

I think year in and year out the Big 12 > Pac 10. I also think that the Big 10/Pac10 set up gives them a leg up in getting teams to the National Title game. The Pac 10 having all teams play each other now, levels it out a bit though.

I don't think that. I think the Big 12 and SEC have just as much of a leg up on getting to the national title game as those from the Big 10 and Pac 10. Just look at recent history. The SEC has had a team in the last 3 BCS title games, the Big 12 in 4 of the last 6 and 6 of the last 9. So I disagree that the Big 10 and Pac 10 are at some sore of huge advantage over the SEC and Big 12 in getting teams to the national title game. In fact their has never been a Big 10 vs Pac 10 title game that I am aware of

[farmerfan]

ten years ago yes.

When was the last time OU lost to OSU?
2002? If you use that then I can use a game from 2000 and heck why not 1998?

[farmerfan]

USC's.

So you would not want UF or LSU's either? How about tOSU's BCS apperances and national title game apperances?
Wow.
I guess just being "Texas" is better than winning multiple national titles. God bless the entitlement :notworthy

[Firebird]

All teams ou has lost to recently? Correct? In addition to Colorado, Ok State, Boise, TCU, and UCLA.

I wish OU had lost to A&M recently....:(

[farmerfan]

I think year in and year out the Big 12 > Pac 10. I also think that the Big 10/Pac10 set up gives them a leg up in getting teams to the National Title game. The Pac 10 having all teams play each other now, levels it out a bit though.

I am not the one dogging the PAC 10 and then saying that its a conference I would rather be in than my current one. That would be www.5atexasfootball.com Texas T-Shirt fan.

[Firebird]

I am not the one dogging the PAC 10 and then saying that its a conference I would rather be in than my current one. That would be www.5atexasfootball.com Texas T-Shirt fan.

Hey, I can't blame Texas for wishing they could be in a conference they might be able to actually win........I wish A&M was in a conference we could win. I think we need to explore the MAC, as we're getting a bit too good for the Big XII.....

[pied]

When was the last time OU lost to OSU?
2002? If you use that then I can use a game from 2000 and heck why not 1998?

I stated that I used 2002 because that is what ESPN's rankings go to. Expanding it to 98 takes the Texas-ou series from 3-4 to 5-6, If we take one more year we get to 6-6.

[farmerfan]

I stated that I used 2002 because that is what ESPN's rankings go to. Expanding it to 98 takes the Texas-ou series from 3-4 to 5-6, If we take one more year we get to 6-6.

If we take it to 98 then we can use A&M since they won a conference title depsite it being another * for Texas since they beat the Ags, however it would allow more teams to our discussion.

[pied]

I am not the one dogging the PAC 10 and then saying that its a conference I would rather be in than my current one. That would be www.5atexasfootball.com Texas T-Shirt fan.

And I am a Texas non-tshirt fan, happy with the Big 12, who wishes we have had won more conference titles(beating ou a couple of more times ni the process), who is ecstatic that we have eight 10+ win seasons in a row, likes ESPN, thinks that USC is clearly the most dominant team in recent years and I also think that tOSU is not over rated but underperforming late in season recently.

[farmerfan]

Hey, I can't blame Texas for wishing they could be in a conference they might be able to actually win........I wish A&M was in a conference we could win. I think we need to explore the MAC, as we're getting a bit too good for the Big XII.....

It's why I am all for UGA leaving to go to the Big East. They're too good for the SEC and it clearly shows with all the gymnastic titles. Its time to up and leave and go join it now. UConn could be a tough football especially in Stores during November but I'll take their chances up there better than in Jacksonville in November :cool:

[farmerfan]

And I am a Texas non-tshirt fan, happy with the Big 12, who wishes we have had won more conference titles(beating ou a couple of more times ni the process), who is ecstatic that we have eight 10+ win seasons in a row, likes ESPN, thinks that USC is clearly the most dominant team in recent years and I also think that tOSU is not over rated but underperforming late in season recently.

Then you and Bird go start your own thred for non T-Shirt fans. You two have fun since it will be a lonely thread;)
That said, it is refreshing to see this board have a Texas fan that can present ESPN and USC in a manner that isn't totally full of "haterade" and not refer to tOSU has overrated.

[Firebird]

Then you and Bird go start your own thred for non T-Shirt fans. You two have fun since it will be a lonely thread;)
That said, it is refreshing to see this board have a Texas fan that can present ESPN and USC in a manner that isn't totally full of "haterade" and not refer to tOSU has overrated.

You can join us and talk about UNT......and slorch can talk about Tech...:)

[slorch]

You can join us and talk about UNT......and slorch can talk about Tech...:)

Is the endorsement of Benedict Aggy worth much?;):D

[Firebird]

Is the endorsement of Benedict Aggy worth much?;):D

Be quiet or I won't give you a tip pizza boy. I want my extra pepperoni, not lip.

[farmerfan]

You can join us and talk about UNT......and slorch can talk about Tech...:)

I would love to if only there was something to talk about with them

[pied]

I would love to if only there was something to talk about with them

What do they look like this year? Riley's the starter, correct?

[cajun]

and not refer to tOSU has overrated.

OhIo State may not be overrated, but Jim Tressel is...

[farmerfan]

What do they look like this year? Riley's the starter, correct?

Riley is the starter and thats about all I know. A lot of turmoil going on in Denton and speculationis this could be Dodges last year up there if things dont change. I dont know what to think anymore. I am just glad our Public Administration Department maintained its top 10 ranking and our band is still sounding good.

[farmerfan]

OhIo State may not be overrated, but Jim Tressel is...

Hard to say that. Tressel has won as many national titles as the likes of Steve Spurrier, Les Miles, Mack Brown and Pete Carroll and tOSU never seems to lose to teams it has no business losing to. Its fun for the SEC to whip up on tOSU but thats a damn good program up there.

[cajun]

Hard to say that. Tressel has won as many national titles as the likes of Steve Spurrier, Les Miles, Mack Brown and Pete Carroll and tOSU never seems to lose to teams it has no business losing to. Its fun for the SEC to whip up on tOSU but thats a damn good program up there.

Ohio State gets alot of talent, that's for sure...That being said,

I'd rather have Steve Spurrier, Les Miles, Mack Brown or Pete Carroll as a HC for my program...

When Ohio State has played the SEC last two title games Tressel to me looks alittle confused and lost...He's classy though....

[cajun]

It easy to say Tressel has as many titles as some of the rest, but he should have more-like Bob Stoops should...

You can say "well, at least these guys are getting their teams in the big game" which would be true, but sheesh!

No one has an easier path than that Ohio State!...

[farmerfan]

Ohio State gets alot of talent, that's for sure...That being said,

I'd rather have Steve Spurrier, Les Miles, Mack Brown or Pete Carroll as a HC for my program...

When Ohio State has played the SEC last two title games Tressel to me looks alittle confused and lost...He's classy though....

We'll just have to agree to disagree or however that saying is meant to go. Because Tressel would definitly be at the top of my list to head a program if I was searching for a HC. What he did at Youngstown I believe and now tOSU is pretty remarkable. Remember, before he arrived John Cooper could not beat Michigan or win the conference, thats not the case anymore.

[farmerfan]

It easy to say Tressel has as many titles as some of the rest, but he should have more-like Bob Stoops should...

You can say "well, at least these guys are getting their teams in the big game" which would be true, but sheesh!

No one has an easier path than that Ohio State!...

Ironic you say that. Half of our UT fans on here will agree with that while the other half will say "USuC" has the easier path. What are the top two dream conference destinations for those Texas fans? You got it, the Big Televen and PAC 10. Oh the irony ;):D

[pied]

Ironic you say that. Half of our UT fans on here will agree with that while the other half will say "USuC" has the easier path. What are the top two dream conference destinations for those Texas fans? You got it, the Big Televen and PAC 10. Oh the irony ;):D

Who do you think has an easier path these days?

I would rule out Big 12/SEC/ACC. Perhaps Notre Dame since the control their entire schedule?

[farmerfan]

It easy to say Tressel has as many titles as some of the rest, but he should have more-like Bob Stoops should...

You can say "well, at least these guys are getting their teams in the big game" which would be true, but sheesh!

No one has an easier path than that Ohio State!...

Yes these coaches are getting their teams to the Big game and winning their conference, however you can't rip Stoops without ripping Mack. Stoops at least winning his conference before losing in the BCS, whats Mack excuse for only having one conference title? I hate to turn this into a coaching debate but Stoops and Tressel have a much better resume than Mack does. Mack has 1 conference title in his entire career. Sheesh;)

[cajun]

We'll just have to agree to disagree or however that saying is meant to go. Because Tressel would definitly be at the top of my list to head a program if I was searching for a HC. What he did at Youngstown I believe and now tOSU is pretty remarkable. Remember, before he arrived John Cooper could not beat Michigan or win the conference, thats not the case anymore.

Your list would be different than mine...Everyone's is probably different..

I'm actually glad though Tressel is at Ohio State-hope he retires there...:cool:

[pied]

Your list would be different than mine...Everyone's is probably different..

I'm actually glad though Tressel is at Ohio State-hope he retires there...:cool:

as do many tOSU fans

[farmerfan]

Who do you think has an easier path these days?

I would rule out Big 12/SEC/ACC. Perhaps Notre Dame since the control their entire schedule?

Katy and SV in regions 3 and 4 have it really easy ;)

Oh you mean college, If I were to say which team had the easier path I would say it depends on the season. This past year one could say that the Big 12 South wasnt as good as everyone thought. Based on the teams and makeup of the conference I would say that the Big East would probably have the easiest road.

[Rockets8805]

actually, not all of us do...personally, i like the fact that playing ou means so much every year, what with the winner usually going onto the big 12 title game and all. and ill be the first to admit, yes, we have been getting schooled by ou for the last decade or so. that's why when the horns beat them, we flex our muscles about it. i say don't leave the big 12, or if so, leave for the sec. if we want to get the respect of the nation, and farmer (jk) weve gotta catch up to the florida's and the ou's. and the only way to do that is to go out and beat them on the field...

[farmerfan]

actually, not all of us do...personally, i like the fact that playing ou means so much every year, what with the winner usually going onto the big 12 title game and all. and ill be the first to admit, yes, we have been getting schooled by ou for the last decade or so. that's why when the horns beat them, we flex our muscles about it. i say don't leave the big 12, or if so, leave for the sec. if we want to get the respect of the nation, and farmer (jk) weve gotta catch up to the florida's and the ou's. and the only way to do that is to go out and beat them on the field...

I LOL'd at getting respect from the farmer. that was funny.
I dont think I respect anything, not even the teams I support. Seems I am always arguing with Georgia fans when I go to theirgames of how UGA isn't as elite as they seem to think :D

[pied]

I LOL'd at getting respect from the farmer. that was funny.
I dont think I respect anything, not even the teams I support. Seems I am always arguing with Georgia fans when I go to theirgames of how UGA isn't as elite as they seem to think :D



Always looking for an arguement......

[cajun]

Yes these coaches are getting their teams to the Big game and winning their conference, however you can't rip Stoops without ripping Mack. Stoops at least winning his conference before losing in the BCS, whats Mack excuse for only having one conference title? I hate to turn this into a coaching debate but Stoops and Tressel have a much better resume than Mack does. Mack has 1 conference title in his entire career. Sheesh;)

It's a hard call really..."Stuff" can happen in the course of a regular season and League Title games...BUT, when you get a shot at the "Big One" as many times as Stoops and Tressel have only to "choke" (for no better word) it's hard to overlook that....

Does winning conference titles ease that pain?....Mack has as many titles as Stoops and Tressel with alot less trys...:cool:

[cajun]

as do many tOSU fans

Fine with me...

[Rockets8805]

I LOL'd at getting respect from the farmer. that was funny.
I dont think I respect anything, not even the teams I support. Seems I am always arguing with Georgia fans when I go to theirgames of how UGA isn't as elite as they seem to think :D

i guess ill agree w ya there...being a fan doesnt mean u gotta be delusional...truth be told, last year, i had a feeling things would happen the way they did w ut's schedule...those four games were a lot to ask of any team, and the fact that they nearly made it was awesome...honestly, going into every game, i am confident ut can win, but at the same time, i know that this is y they play the games, and that, once the whistle blows, anything can happen

[pied]

It's a hard call really..."Stuff" can happen in the course of a regular season and League Title games...BUT, when you get a shot at the "Big One" as many times as Stoops and Tressel have only to "choke" (for no better word) it's hard to overlook that....

Does winning conference titles ease that pain?....Mack has as many titles as Stoops and Tressel with alot less trys...:cool:

Great post.

[cajun]

Like last year....Texas beats Oklahoma, but Oklahoma plays Florida for the National Title...Crazy stuff...

Would Texas (Mack) have been better prepared for Florida?...No one knows really...

If Oklahoma or Ohio State makes it to the title game this year and loses yet again, what are we suppose to think?...

Better yet maybe Ohio State will play Oklahoma for the title...They might have to play 12 OT's to decide that one...(lol)

[stevefoxsc]

:Censor: all they have is a damn art degree :Censor:

thats one reason, and the program is kinda not underfunded but really. For a city like Austin with the amount of technology you would expect more.