Dirk a "True Warrior"

[lonny23]

The guys on TNT a few days ago questioned whether Dirk was a "True Warrior" because he said Denver had three players with varying defensive skills playing him.

I said it was stupid and just another example in the moronic 'My :Censor: is bigger than your :Censor:" garbage we always hear and in line with "That guy dissed me" talk that's so common. From my corner, C-Webb was always pretty soft and mentally fragile and I'll give him his props for hooking up with Tyra Banks, but she's got a lot going for her. Barkley married a white woman.

Anyway, maybe this will give Dirk a little street cred. Ol' Dirk has a few problems going on right now. His girlfriend, and maybe finace, just got arrested for having dental work done a few years ago in Beaumont and not paying and for having a probation violation in Missouri. She was a stripper in Beaumont and is both older (37) and black. I don't know if the rumors of her being pregnant are true or not.

Dirk should be the one with street cred!:D

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1622
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1623

[svhorns]

Where is Preston Hollow?

[yankee]

lol wut?

[lonny23]

Where is Preston Hollow?
If you want to know where people live, the best place to check is the County Tax Assessors websites. You put in a name and you get an address back. Cuban has a huge house. Dirk's house is worth a good amount. Jerry Jones house in Highland Park is old, but valueable. It's a lot harder to find out where the people in SA live vs. the people in Dallas.

[ChanSHS]

Dirk could have some fine piece of German a**, and instead has that ???? WTF???

[SeguinMatadors]

What is wrong with my boy Dirk.

Letting a goon like that run games on him? Are you series Dirk?

If you are going to get conned... at least let it be a super model.

[SeguinMatadors]

I really cant get over this.....

I've seen 50 dollar street walkers that have more to offer. and ARENT FELONS.

Now Dirk has got her preggo... and will be eternally tied to her.

[lonny23]

I really cant get over this.....

I've seen 50 dollar street walkers that have more to offer. and ARENT FELONS.

Now Dirk has got her preggo... and will be eternally tied to her.
Her friend says she's pregnant. The cops haven't said that yet.

I want to know about the dark confrontation!:confused:

Oh, I bet Dirk drops 40 on Saturday!:D

[lonny23]

I'll give a little personal insight here, too. Girls with a bunch of drama in their lives just aren't worth it. I'm like Mike Singletary, "Can't do it! Won't happen!" I'd bail on a girl in a minute who has a bunch of drama and have done it. I was pretty much born with "Jungle Fever", but I like the whole rainbow!:D I won't touch a "Hood rat" with a 10-foot pole.

On a related note, we have a girl at work who is almost never there and always sick and stays in the hospital during pregnancies. I think she's being abused if you look at some of her injuries, but she won't say it. Since the military is such an in-your-business outfit, I have to call her quite a bit and know her business and since she doesn't always call early to let us know what's going on, I have to drive over to her apartment. I went to see her in the hospital yesterday and also saw her the night she supposedly got hit with a baseball bat at the mall. Anyway, she's had problems with landlords, indentity theft, and all kinds of various money problems. She's now divorced and supposedly has a female roommate and no boyfriend (Adultery is illegal in the military), but often me and others see the same guy and he even has her vehicle and cell phone at times.

Anyway, I saw her supposed roommate yesterday at the apartment and was impressed!:D I told a few people that maybe ol' boy didn't knock her up because if I were him, I'd be trying to get with 'ol girl!:D (Yes, it might be a threesome, but my point is ol' boy has a better option than our favorite worker.)

One of the supervisors that works for me said, "You better watch it" (Talking about ol' girl at the apartment). I said, "Are you kidding?" I don't want any part of anybody that knows our worker because of all the stuff that's going on in her life! It's just not worth it and it shouldn't be for Dirk, either.

On the other hand, most of the women that try to hook up with famous and rich people aren't worth a :Censor:. Just because you look good and don't have a known criminal record doesn't mean you're a desirable person. As much as I'm a hopeless romantic, I'm honest enough to say the vast majority of the women in this world don't deserve the hopeless romantic treatment. Most women aren't worth a crap and that's the truth.

[dragons08]

giht lonny1 girls suck!

[slorch]

Most women aren't worth a crap and that's the truth.

of all the idiotic stats and conspiracy theory BS you post, this line has to be the worst ever, and topping yourself is a pretty prolific act of stupidity.

[RedRage00]

I can't believe dirk would be seen with trash like that. Wow is all I can say.

[RedRage00]

nm

[SeguinMatadors]

of all the idiotic stats and conspiracy theory bs you post, this line has to be the worst ever, and topping yourself is a pretty prolific act of stupidity.

this.

[drgnbkr]

Where is Preston Hollow?

Fashionable North Dallas area..home to Cuban, Tom Hicks, "W" lot's of money in the area.

[svhorns]

Fashionable North Dallas area..home to Cuban, Tom Hicks, "W" lot's of money in the area.

What high school is in the area?

[lonny23]

of all the idiotic stats and conspiracy theory BS you post, this line has to be the worst ever, and topping yourself is a pretty prolific act of stupidity.
No, I spoke the truth. Most aren't. Then again, I think guys are trash, too.

I'm going to go on a pre-Mother's Day rant because I'm tired of this crap.

I'm tired of women thinking they're bodies to be worshipped. I'm tired of the media trying to make guys look dumb. I'm tired to hearing preachers talking about how the prayer of a woman is the most important thing in the world.

These are the facts:

God created man.

God made woman from the man.

God said they would leave their families and be joint partners.

God said man is the head of the household.

God said man works.

God said woman stays home.

God also said woman turns the kids over to dad to be raised after they are weaned.

God also gave dad the wisdom to make right decisions for the home.

Greediness, but mostly having kids out of wedlock and divorce meant women had to start working. I have no problem with women working or wanting to, but it's not the desirable thing with kids around.

Women's lib created this crap where women didn't need men. Both men and women need each other and they are joint partners and it's not a dictatorship either way.

I won't deny that women can call on God and get prayers answered, but the absolute most important thing in the lives of kids is having a Godly dad at home. The dad sets the spiritual tone for the family and always will. Women do the job when they have to, but they're not as good as the dad because God didn't set it up that way.

I'm not a woman-hater. I'll get married again one of these days, but I spoke the truth when I said the attitude and actions of most women stink. Then again, it's not like guys give them anything to appreciate because we're horrible ourselves. It's like a bunch of people poking each other in the eyes.

[lonny23]

I can't believe dirk would be seen with trash like that. Wow is all I can say.
I'm also tired of this crap. I always hate how a white guy that hooks up with a black chick is considered to be settling for less. One of those pictures didn't look too great, but she wasn't too bad in another picture. I see past the color on the outside and appreciate people for however the package is. On the other hand, I don't have a problem bashing the package if I think it looks like crap.

[lonny23]

OK, guys since all of you want to act like women are saints, answer these questions for me:

I know you're not always happy with your spouse and if some of you were honest, you might even admit that your spouse might not be the best person in the world.

I know you're supposed to love and cherish your wife, but just as women fade to cheating, guys do it, too. I'm not trying to get anybody to admit to cheating on their current love interest, but I'm pretty sure a few of you have looked around and thought that some other woman might be more tolerable than your current interest.

My other issue is that many of you must look around and see other women and think, "I'm glad I didn't hook up with her."

In or out of a relationship, male or female, everybody I know gets a score from me. I'm just honest enough to admit that many guys are jerks and we have our share of undesirable women out there. We have plenty of people who lie, steal, and cheat. We have plenty who try to manipulate and control, and we have a lot who can't control their emotions.

[slorch]

No, I spoke the truth. Most aren't. Then again, I think guys are trash, too.

I'm going to go on a pre-Mother's Day rant because I'm tired of this crap.

I'm tired of women thinking they're bodies to be worshipped. I'm tired of the media trying to make guys look dumb. I'm tired to hearing preachers talking about how the prayer of a woman is the most important thing in the world.

These are the facts:

God created man.

God made woman from the man.

God said they would leave their families and be joint partners.

God said man is the head of the household.

God said man works.

God said woman stays home.

God also said woman turns the kids over to dad to be raised after they are weaned.

God also gave dad the wisdom to make right decisions for the home.

Greediness, but mostly having kids out of wedlock and divorce meant women had to start working. I have no problem with women working or wanting to, but it's not the desirable thing with kids around.

Women's lib created this crap where women didn't need men. Both men and women need each other and they are joint partners and it's not a dictatorship either way.

I won't deny that women can call on God and get prayers answered, but the absolute most important thing in the lives of kids is having a Godly dad at home. The dad sets the spiritual tone for the family and always will. Women do the job when they have to, but they're not as good as the dad because God didn't set it up that way.

I'm not a woman-hater. I'll get married again one of these days, but I spoke the truth when I said the attitude and actions of most women stink. Then again, it's not like guys give them anything to appreciate because we're horrible ourselves. It's like a bunch of people poking each other in the eyes.



My Dad left us when I was nine. Never went to church.

My mom and both G'mas always had us going to church. So there goes that theory...:rolleyes:

Open up your brain dude...(pukey)

Dude, seriously, you cannot come on here or step out in the real world and blindly indict women for being human. It's been my experience that 98% of people( that includes women BTW) treat me like I treat them.

Could be possible that they are reciprocating your actions?

as far as all of that other jibberish, and yes you are being contextually irresponsible with your scripture there, both parents are equally responsible in raising the child, both in following God and how to live on Earth.

I honestly can't believe you say this crap.

[lonny23]

My Dad left us when I was nine. Never went to church.

My mom and both G'mas always had us going to church. So there goes that theory...:rolleyes:

Open up your brain dude...(pukey)

Dude, seriously, you cannot come on here or step out in the real world and blindly indict women for being human. It's been my experience that 98% of people( that includes women BTW) treat me like I treat them.

Could be possible that they are reciprocating your actions?

as far as all of that other jibberish, and yes you are being contextually irresponsible with your scripture there, both parents are equally responsible in raising the child, both in following God and how to live on Earth.

I honestly can't believe you say this crap.I didn't say women can't raise kids and I didn't say that every kid in that scenario goes bad. I'm just saying what I always say and that it's a lot better for kids to have both parents around.

What I said about women has nothing to do with me. I'm talking about what I observe in men and women and it has absolutely nothing to do with hard feelings about past relationships. If it will make you happy, I will revise my statement some. Pretty much everybody in this world has some redeeming qualities. Saying that, most people have quite a few serious issues that are very undesirable and they're usually resistant to work on any of them and that's why I said what I did to start with.

I said nothing contextually incorrect. I heard on the radio today by Charles Stanley and some woman at the beginning of his show about how women praying for their kids is the most important thing in the world. They even said nothing get's God's attention like a woman praying. Funny thing is I have an ex-wife who goes to church every Sunday and God still blesses me more and answers my prayers more. I called it garbage because it was garbage. God is no respector of persons and he'll bless your prayers and paths regardless of sex, creed, or color. He sure doesn't say, "A woman is praying. I better pay attention to her."

As far as indicting women for being human, we're all going to make mistakes. I just don't apologize for people who act like it's OK to do wrong when they know they're being wrong. I still say most of the problems we face in life are our fault and if we'd look to ourselves first, we'd have a lot fewer problems. God is pretty simple when you get down to it. He says, "If you love me and serve me with all your heart, I'll bless you and make your paths straight if you rely on my guidance through the Holy Spirit." Most people don't want to hear God's plan because it brings holiness and discipline, but you sure don't get His blessings when you start living life according to your own rules. You come out from under His protective covering and open yourself up to the attacks from the enemy.

[slorch]

I didn't say women can't raise kids and I didn't say that every kid in that scenario goes bad. I'm just saying what I always say and that it's a lot better for kids to have both parents around.

What I said about women has nothing to do with me. I'm talking about what I observe in men and women and it has absolutely nothing to do with hard feelings about past relationships. If it will make you happy, I will revise my statement some. Pretty much everybody in this world has some redeeming qualities. Saying that, most people have quite a few serious issues that are very undesirable and they're usually resistant to work on any of them and that's why I said what I did to start with.

I said nothing contextually incorrect. I heard on the radio today by Charles Stanley and some woman at the beginning of his show about how women praying for their kids is the most important thing in the world. They even said nothing get's God's attention like a woman praying. Funny thing is I have an ex-wife who goes to church every Sunday and God still blesses me more and answers my prayers more. I called it garbage because it was garbage. God is no respector of persons and he'll bless your prayers and paths regardless of sex, creed, or color. He sure doesn't say, "A woman is praying. I better pay attention to her."

As far as indicting women for being human, we're all going to make mistakes. I just don't apologize for people who act like it's OK to do wrong when they know they're being wrong. I still say most of the problems we face in life are our fault and if we'd look to ourselves first, we'd have a lot fewer problems. God is pretty simple when you get down to it. He says, "If you love me and serve me with all your heart, I'll bless you and make your paths straight if you rely on my guidance through the Holy Spirit." Most people don't want to hear God's plan because it brings holiness and discipline, but you sure don't get His blessings when you start living life according to your own rules. You come out from under His protective covering and open yourself up to the attacks from the enemy.

You're crawdaddin, brother.

you basically said 98% of women are bad people...

now it's just people that don't know God...

pull your hat up for a few seconds and let that pea breathe...:Censor:

[lonny23]

You're crawdaddin, brother.

you basically said 98% of women are bad people...

now it's just people that don't know God...

pull your hat up for a few seconds and let that pea breathe...:Censor:I never gave you a %. I only said most to start with. I would never agree with 98%.

I sure didn't say it was based upon "Knowing" God. Believe me, I have issues with most people that go to church, too.

Since you were talking about human nature earlier, how about this thought? You didn't disagree that many guys are horrible. If many guys are horrible, doesn't it stand to reason that human nature says women will reciprocate with bad behavior? In other words, most people won't react like I'm doing with you in this thread!:D That's all I'm saying!

[lonny23]

You're crawdaddin, brother.

you basically said 98% of women are bad people...

now it's just people that don't know God...

pull your hat up for a few seconds and let that pea breathe...:Censor:
Quit fightin' with me and start praying for the Rockets!:D

[slorch]

OK, guys since all of you want to act like women are saints, answer these questions for me:

I know you're not always happy with your spouse and if some of you were honest, you might even admit that your spouse might not be the best person in the world.

I know you're supposed to love and cherish your wife, but just as women fade to cheating, guys do it, too. I'm not trying to get anybody to admit to cheating on their current love interest, but I'm pretty sure a few of you have looked around and thought that some other woman might be more tolerable than your current interest.

My other issue is that many of you must look around and see other women and think, "I'm glad I didn't hook up with her."

In or out of a relationship, male or female, everybody I know gets a score from me. I'm just honest enough to admit that many guys are jerks and we have our share of undesirable women out there. We have plenty of people who lie, steal, and cheat. We have plenty who try to manipulate and control, and we have a lot who can't control their emotions.

not one question in there to answer, bro.

and yes, my wife is a way better person than I am. Everyone that knows both of us will tell you the same. i take it as a compliment. My wife is a loving, kind, gentle woman. She loves the Lord and her family. She is strong enough to tell me no.

Don't challenge everyone else's integrity because some of your relationships might not have turned out like you wished...

[DragonWatcher]

No, I spoke the truth. Most aren't. Then again, I think guys are trash, too.

I'm going to go on a pre-Mother's Day rant because I'm tired of this crap.

I'm tired of women thinking they're bodies to be worshipped. I'm tired of the media trying to make guys look dumb. I'm tired to hearing preachers talking about how the prayer of a woman is the most important thing in the world.

These are the facts:

God created man.

God made woman from the man.

God said they would leave their families and be joint partners.

God said man is the head of the household.

God said man works.

God said woman stays home.

God also said woman turns the kids over to dad to be raised after they are weaned.

God also gave dad the wisdom to make right decisions for the home.

Greediness, but mostly having kids out of wedlock and divorce meant women had to start working. I have no problem with women working or wanting to, but it's not the desirable thing with kids around.

Women's lib created this crap where women didn't need men. Both men and women need each other and they are joint partners and it's not a dictatorship either way.

I won't deny that women can call on God and get prayers answered, but the absolute most important thing in the lives of kids is having a Godly dad at home. The dad sets the spiritual tone for the family and always will. Women do the job when they have to, but they're not as good as the dad because God didn't set it up that way.

I'm not a woman-hater. I'll get married again one of these days, but I spoke the truth when I said the attitude and actions of most women stink. Then again, it's not like guys give them anything to appreciate because we're horrible ourselves. It's like a bunch of people poking each other in the eyes.

Women started working on large scale numbers in this country during WWII while all of the men were off fighting, it then continued over in large numbers after the war. I can't believe you are as ignorant as you are. If this is truly what you believe I pity any girl that tries to put up with you.

[Firebird]

I didn't say women can't raise kids and I didn't say that every kid in that scenario goes bad. I'm just saying what I always say and that it's a lot better for kids to have both parents around.

What I said about women has nothing to do with me. I'm talking about what I observe in men and women and it has absolutely nothing to do with hard feelings about past relationships. If it will make you happy, I will revise my statement some. Pretty much everybody in this world has some redeeming qualities. Saying that, most people have quite a few serious issues that are very undesirable and they're usually resistant to work on any of them and that's why I said what I did to start with.

I said nothing contextually incorrect. I heard on the radio today by Charles Stanley and some woman at the beginning of his show about how women praying for their kids is the most important thing in the world. They even said nothing get's God's attention like a woman praying. Funny thing is I have an ex-wife who goes to church every Sunday and God still blesses me more and answers my prayers more. I called it garbage because it was garbage. God is no respector of persons and he'll bless your prayers and paths regardless of sex, creed, or color. He sure doesn't say, "A woman is praying. I better pay attention to her."

As far as indicting women for being human, we're all going to make mistakes. I just don't apologize for people who act like it's OK to do wrong when they know they're being wrong. I still say most of the problems we face in life are our fault and if we'd look to ourselves first, we'd have a lot fewer problems. God is pretty simple when you get down to it. He says, "If you love me and serve me with all your heart, I'll bless you and make your paths straight if you rely on my guidance through the Holy Spirit." Most people don't want to hear God's plan because it brings holiness and discipline, but you sure don't get His blessings when you start living life according to your own rules. You come out from under His protective covering and open yourself up to the attacks from the enemy.

And I'd like to thank you, Lord, for loving me more than my ex-wife.....

[DragonWatcher]

And I'd like to thank you, Lord, for loving me more than my ex-wife.....

This is exactly what I thought lol

[lonny23]

not one question in there to answer, bro.

and yes, my wife is a way better person than I am. Everyone that knows both of us will tell you the same. i take it as a compliment. My wife is a loving, kind, gentle woman. She loves the Lord and her family. She is strong enough to tell me no.

Don't challenge everyone else's integrity because some of your relationships might not have turned out like you wished...Hey, I'm happy for you, but what you have is not what everybody else has and once again I'm only reporting what I see and what I see is not me but all the world around me. I've known some great women and I've known quite a few women who aren't so great.

[lonny23]

Women started working on large scale numbers in this country during WWII while all of the men were off fighting, it then continued over in large numbers after the war. I can't believe you are as ignorant as you are. If this is truly what you believe I pity any girl that tries to put up with you.There has been a large-scale effort of demasculinity of men in this country over the last 50 years. It has caused strife, stress, and frustration for men and women alike. It has been a covert effort to try to make men and women forget their roles in a relationship.

The way things are in this country aren't the way things are supposed to be. They aren't like God designed, but they have been out of whack so long that people accept them as normal. I wish I could get you guys to see it, but I have my doubts you will.

By the way, I know a woman who says women are full of crap and she's always upset at what other women try to pull and do. She understands a bunch of this stuff is bogus. To give you an example, we were sitting outside the hospital talking a few days ago and heard a woman on the cell phone griping about having to wait 30 minutes for a ride. Up drives a man in a car and he gets out to let the cell phone woman drive and he gets in the passenger seat.

My friend started telling me that "Maybe the guy had to work late and that ol' girl should be happy he has a job." Both of us sat there and knew that situation was foul. I made the comment that I often watch men and women and see how one is almost always dominant over the other one, but one thing I didn't say is that relationships are majorly out of whack when a woman dominates the man and they're not much better when the man dominates the woman. I didn't need to say it because she knows that to be true. She knows how God designed men and women to be partners and strengthen each other, to encourage each other, and to help cover each other's weaknesses.

[lonny23]

And I'd like to thank you, Lord, for loving me more than my ex-wife.....
I didn't say that. It's obvious he loves her because he blesses her enough to keep her alive.

All I said was this talk that God automatically places a priority on the prayers of a woman are false. Generally-speaking, God probably does answer the prayers of women more than men, but that's because women pray to Him more than men do. If men would serve God better and pray more, they'd realize how powerful they could be.

Sometimes I wonder if we're too far gone in this country. Women have had to accept roles they're not suited for because men haven't done what they needed to do in their daily family lives. When men do try to do what's expected by God, they get resistance from women many times because the woman for so long has had to do things on her own and it's hard for her to come under the covering of a man and cherish him as the head of a household.

[slorch]

And I'd like to thank you, Lord, for loving me more than my ex-wife.....

I don't care who ya are, that's funnier than hell...:notworthy:D

[slorch]

I didn't say that. It's obvious he loves her because he blesses her enough to keep her alive.

All I said was this talk that God automatically places a priority on the prayers of a woman are false. Generally-speaking, God probably does answer the prayers of women more than men, but that's because women pray to Him more than men do. If men would serve God better and pray more, they'd realize how powerful they could be.

Sometimes I wonder if we're too far gone in this country. Women have had to accept roles they're not suited for because men haven't done what they needed to do in their daily family lives. When men do try to do what's expected by God, they get resistance from women many times because the woman for so long has had to do things on her own and it's hard for her to come under the covering of a man and cherish him as the head of a household.

you're more confused(or misinformed) than I ever thought possible.

all the stuff you're talking about is not gender specific, but simply human nature.

also, how do I get on God's premium service list, with priority response to prayer?:rolleyes::D

[slorch]

There has been a large-scale effort of demasculinity of men in this country over the last 50 years. It has caused strife, stress, and frustration for men and women alike. It has been a covert effort to try to make men and women forget their roles in a relationship.

The way things are in this country aren't the way things are supposed to be. They aren't like God designed, but they have been out of whack so long that people accept them as normal. I wish I could get you guys to see it, but I have my doubts you will.

By the way, I know a woman who says women are full of crap and she's always upset at what other women try to pull and do. She understands a bunch of this stuff is bogus. To give you an example, we were sitting outside the hospital talking a few days ago and heard a woman on the cell phone griping about having to wait 30 minutes for a ride. Up drives a man in a car and he gets out to let the cell phone woman drive and he gets in the passenger seat.

My friend started telling me that "Maybe the guy had to work late and that ol' girl should be happy he has a job." Both of us sat there and knew that situation was foul. I made the comment that I often watch men and women and see how one is almost always dominant over the other one, but one thing I didn't say is that relationships are majorly out of whack when a woman dominates the man and they're not much better when the man dominates the woman. I didn't need to say it because she knows that to be true. She knows how God designed men and women to be partners and strengthen each other, to encourage each other, and to help cover each other's weaknesses.

When the focus is not on HIM, the marriage will not be as successful as it could be. (BTW, HIM=/= the husband)

[JagFan]

There has been a large-scale effort of demasculinity of men in this country over the last 50 years. It has caused strife, stress, and frustration for men and women alike. It has been a covert effort to try to make men and women forget their roles in a relationship.

The way things are in this country aren't the way things are supposed to be. They aren't like God designed, but they have been out of whack so long that people accept them as normal. I wish I could get you guys to see it, but I have my doubts you will.

By the way, I know a woman who says women are full of crap and she's always upset at what other women try to pull and do. She understands a bunch of this stuff is bogus. To give you an example, we were sitting outside the hospital talking a few days ago and heard a woman on the cell phone griping about having to wait 30 minutes for a ride. Up drives a man in a car and he gets out to let the cell phone woman drive and he gets in the passenger seat.

My friend started telling me that "Maybe the guy had to work late and that ol' girl should be happy he has a job." Both of us sat there and knew that situation was foul. I made the comment that I often watch men and women and see how one is almost always dominant over the other one, but one thing I didn't say is that relationships are majorly out of whack when a woman dominates the man and they're not much better when the man dominates the woman. I didn't need to say it because she knows that to be true. She knows how God designed men and women to be partners and strengthen each other, to encourage each other, and to help cover each other's weaknesses.

You are making assumptions about a relationship by a 1 minute observation. That is wrong. In every marriage/relationship there are times one person is stronger than the other. It all depends on the circumstances and were they are in their relationship. There have been times that I (the woman) have been the stronger and held up my husband and there have been times he has held me up. Normally we hold each other up and work together for the sake of our family.

My husband is the spiritual leader in our house. In the absence of that spiritual leader the woman takes over. You are taking head of household to mean that the man dominates and the woman is submissive. Not true. The man is to be the spiritual leader and that is what is meant by the head of house. In each house everyone has a job to do to make the family function. That does not mean that the man gets to dictate what happens.

[slorch]

You are making assumptions about a relationship by a 1 minute observation. That is wrong. In every marriage/relationship there are times one person is stronger than the other. It all depends on the circumstances and were they are in their relationship. There have been times that I (the woman) have been the stronger and held up my husband and there have been times he has held me up. Normally we hold each other up and work together for the sake of our family.

My husband is the spiritual leader in our house. In the absence of that spiritual leader the woman takes over. You are taking head of household to mean that the man dominates and the woman is submissive. Not true. The man is to be the spiritual leader and that is what is meant by the head of house. In each house everyone has a job to do to make the family function. That does not mean that the man gets to dictate what happens.

I love talking to my father in law on this one...:D I always remind him of the responsibilities we have as fathers and husbands to have our families follow God. It's not a license to boss your wife around...:D

[lonny23]

You are making assumptions about a relationship by a 1 minute observation. That is wrong. In every marriage/relationship there are times one person is stronger than the other. It all depends on the circumstances and were they are in their relationship. There have been times that I (the woman) have been the stronger and held up my husband and there have been times he has held me up. Normally we hold each other up and work together for the sake of our family.

My husband is the spiritual leader in our house. In the absence of that spiritual leader the woman takes over. You are taking head of household to mean that the man dominates and the woman is submissive. Not true. The man is to be the spiritual leader and that is what is meant by the head of house. In each house everyone has a job to do to make the family function. That does not mean that the man gets to dictate what happens.
I'm not saying anything about dominance. God's plan is exactly as you said in your post.

As far as the one minute observation we made, it's pretty clear in that relationship that the woman is dominant and the man is passive. You can see it in how the woman carried herself, how she acted on the phone, and how he drove up in the car, and got in the passenger seat so she could drive.

Many people end up doing the dominant/passive thing and think it's OK. I'm not a fan of that and it's always better if each person has their own strengths to bring to the table and work off of each other. It sounds like you have that in your relationship with your husband. Congratulations!

[JagFan]

I love talking to my father in law on this one...:D I always remind him of the responsibilities we have as fathers and husbands to have our families follow God. It's not a license to boss your wife around...:D

My husband loves this debate as well. God is the center, we all have obligations and jobs to do to make the family work. If we keep God in the center then the rest falls in place. Pretty simple.

I know when God has not been the center we have struggled. When we put him where he needs to be it is calm.

[lonny23]

I love talking to my father in law on this one...:D I always remind him of the responsibilities we have as fathers and husbands to have our families follow God. It's not a license to boss your wife around...:D
Since you know that, you should understand the rest of the stuff I'm saying. I'm not speaking out of left field on this one. Just because you feel like your world has been Pollyanna doesn't mean the rest of the people around you have that in their lives. I'm saying all the stuff I am in this thread because I don't want to see a bunch of people with jacked up relationships because Satan is ALWAYS trying to wreck families.

[lonny23]

My husband loves this debate as well. God is the center, we all have obligations and jobs to do to make the family work. If we keep God in the center then the rest falls in place. Pretty simple.

I know when God has not been the center we have struggled. When we put him where he needs to be it is calm.
Yep, God is the center. He taught us how to love our families, too.

[JagFan]

I'm not saying anything about dominance. God's plan is exactly as you said in your post.

As far as the one minute observation we made, it's pretty clear in that relationship that the woman is dominant and the man is passive. You can see it in how the woman carried herself, how she acted on the phone, and how he drove up in the car, and got in the passenger seat so she could drive.

Many people end up doing the dominant/passive thing and think it's OK. I'm not a fan of that and it's always better if each person has their own strengths to bring to the table and work off of each other. It sounds like you have that in your relationship with your husband. Congratulations!

Are you sure it was a married couple? Maybe she had a bad day. Maybe it is her car and he prefers her to drive. My point is you never know. I drive when my husband has calls to make or is not feeling well. Granted that is not often but it does happen. But then again there are not so nice women around just as there are not so nice men.

I don't know of any relationship that is totally dominate/passive that works.

[lonny23]

you're more confused(or misinformed) than I ever thought possible.

all the stuff you're talking about is not gender specific, but simply human nature.

also, how do I get on God's premium service list, with priority response to prayer?:rolleyes::D
I've been more than fair in this thread and have openly said men and women don't do what they need to do. Men and women are dirtbags and shouldn't be. That's all I've been saying. Remember, I said we end up poking each other in the eyes. Guys can't hate women for what they do if they act like jerks aorund them. Women won't get much from the guy if they act up. I mean, God calls us to turn the other cheek and it works, but people don't do it often enough.

God doesn't have a priority list. He just has rules in the Bible for getting prayers answered. I know it's not very popular, but The Book gives you the rules for life, the answers to the questions, and the reasons for the punishments.

[slorch]

Since you know that, you should understand the rest of the stuff I'm saying. I'm not speaking out of left field on this one. Just because you feel like your world has been Pollyanna doesn't mean the rest of the people around you have that in their lives. I'm saying all the stuff I am in this thread because I don't want to see a bunch of people with jacked up relationships because Satan is ALWAYS trying to wreck families.


My world might seem pollyannic, in that we have a great life, but don't for a second, assume that it has not been without effort, challenges, and tough decisions.

I have shared plenty on here about what we've been through, both in my childhood and now as a family. What we have has been a blessing, and we have made certain choices and sacrifices to bring that about. In most people's eyes, we're quite average, but material things are not our goals. Our goals have always been to love God and take care of each other.

Guess what bro, nobody's perfect. Love is all about accepting those imperfections and working towards goals together. I got so frustrated while dating in college, I finally just prayed and prayed that I could find happiness and comfort in just walking the walk with God. i quit trying to find the right woman around every corner. I had basically quit looking and BAM! out of nowhere I meet my future wife...

I guess the term Pollyannic takes away the level of commitment we have had, the trials, the effort, the sacrifices we have made to have this kind of marriage. It's my opinion that there would be many more happy marriages if people's focus was on the right things. It's not that people are so bad, but that they are human. That is the challenge in life itself is overcoming who you want to be, and being who you SHOULD be.

[lonny23]

Are you sure it was a married couple? Maybe she had a bad day. Maybe it is her car and he prefers her to drive. My point is you never know. I drive when my husband has calls to make or is not feeling well. Granted that is not often but it does happen. But then again there are not so nice women around just as there are not so nice men.

I don't know of any relationship that is totally dominate/passive that works.
I agree with your Devil's Advocate points. There are possibilities that he wants her to drive and maybe she just had a bad day, but I seriously doubt it. Just as King Solomon did long ago, I prayed for wisdom as a teenager. One of the things that I've been able to do since then is be a good judge of human behavior. I almost always know if somebody is lying to me and I can sometimes pick up on a person's character as soon as I meet them. I'm not going to say I've never been wrong, but I will say that you won't find too many people that are a better judge of character than me.

I'm not the type of person to automatically trust a person and then be proven wrong. I know human nature too well to think everybody is honest. I don't hold to old notions (Good or bad), nor do I give carte blanche to people because of their occupation. There are many shady preachers, just as there are some good lawyers.

[slorch]

I've been more than fair in this thread and have openly said men and women don't do what they need to do. Men and women are dirtbags and shouldn't be. That's all I've been saying. Remember, I said we end up poking each other in the eyes. Guys can't hate women for what they do if they act like jerks aorund them. Women won't get much from the guy if they act up. I mean, God calls us to turn the other cheek and it works, but people don't do it often enough.

God doesn't have a priority list. He just has rules in the Bible for getting prayers answered. I know it's not very popular, but The Book gives you the rules for life, the answers to the questions, and the reasons for the punishments.

I have been blessed to have known so many folks that are not like what you say. You seem to have known a lot of selfish folks. I am truly sorry for that. Maybe we could be better examples so that the"light" might click on in their lives. Can you share your testimony without being judgmental? After a stranger has talked to Lonny for half a day, would he/ she be interested in your walk with God?

I know this for sure, you don't have a problem talking to strangers and I know you have a good heart. I'm just asking what folks end up seeing in you after they get to know you. There seems to be some frustration and even hostility hidden behind some of your posts.

[lonny23]

My world might seem pollyannic, in that we have a great life, but don't for a second, assume that it has not been without effort, challenges, and tough decisions.

I have shared plenty on here about what we've been through, both in my childhood and now as a family. What we have has been a blessing, and we have made certain choices and sacrifices to bring that about. In most people's eyes, we're quite average, but material things are not our goals. Our goals have always been to love God and take care of each other.

Guess what bro, nobody's perfect. Love is all about accepting those imperfections and working towards goals together. I got so frustrated while dating in college, I finally just prayed and prayed that I could find happiness and comfort in just walking the walk with God. i quit trying to find the right woman around every corner. I had basically quit looking and BAM! out of nowhere I meet my future wife...

I guess the term Pollyannic takes away the level of commitment we have had, the trials, the effort, the sacrifices we have made to have this kind of marriage. It's my opinion that there would be many more happy marriages if people's focus was on the right things. It's not that people are so bad, but that they are human. That is the challenge in life itself is overcoming who you want to be, and being who you SHOULD be.
Your post is 100% spot-on. That's why I don't understand you arguing so much about me saying relationships in this world are jacked up.

God always brings the right person when you trust him and don't make your own efforts.

I know you don't have a perfect marriage as nobody does. My point was that just because you have something pretty good doesn't mean there aren't a lot of hurting people out there. I'm blunt and honest, but at the core my posting has always been about helping people out. That means I have to come against men and women for being bozos. I use strong language because I view all this stuff as spiritual warfare and I fight Satan every chance I get. I'm far from perfect and sin, but that doesn't mean I'm not taking every chance to fight the enemy.

I get tired of people crying to God about how bad their lives are when they refuse to obey Him. Some people cry about how bad things are, but they never pray.

[dragons08]

of all the idiotic stats and conspiracy theory BS you post, this line has to be the worst ever, and topping yourself is a pretty prolific act of stupidity.

What's even funnier is it's the single 40 year old man that said it..

[lonny23]

I have been blessed to have known so many folks that are not like what you say. You seem to have known a lot of selfish folks. I am truly sorry for that. Maybe we could be better examples so that the"light" might click on in their lives. Can you share your testimony without being judgmental? After a stranger has talked to Lonny for half a day, would he/ she be interested in your walk with God?

I know this for sure, you don't have a problem talking to strangers and I know you have a good heart. I'm just asking what folks end up seeing in you after they get to know you. There seems to be some frustration and even hostility hidden behind some of your posts.
There are a bunch of great people out there and I know some.

Like anything in life, the written word comes across different than the spoken word. If I spoke to a person for a day, it would still have the same elements of the message, but it would not be the exact same words. I can talk faster than I can type and that will almost always lead to using more direct words typing.

I'm aggressive about this stuff because I'm passionate about it. I want to help people and that means I have to ruffle a few feathers. I approach every social issue with the mantra of "What would God want us to do?" I openly come out and say what God would want whether it's popular or not.

In case you haven't noticed, it's not easy for people to come out and give opinions that won't be well received or very popular. People want to hear what they want to hear and be in their comfort zones. I speak what I think is right and many times know others will come against it.

I bring up the stuff I bring up because I feel like it's stuff we need to be talking about, but others don't do it so I bring it up myself. I know it won't always be popular, but I pray that it helps people. The way the board works is I'll say something and then a bunch of people want to argue about it, but I'm not going to stop saying what needs to be said.

It's not like I confine the stuff to this board. I sent my mom an email a few days ago saying that I'm tired of reading emails that talk about kids saying the mom is the boss in the family. I get tired of parents who want to pass the buck and give decisions over their kid's activities to the other parent (Go ask your mom/dad stuff). My oldest daughter called me on the phone yesterday because she and my ex-wife had been having problems with the 7-year old crying about not getting to live in the master bedroom in their new house. I told my ex-wife to tell the kid she's the boss. I told #2 that she's the youngest and that usually means you get the smallest room and that she should be happy that she could have her own room for the first time living with her mom. My kids act right around me, but they have a dysfunctional life with my ex-wife. That's the kind of stuff I talk about on here because I want people to see things are wrong and I want to give them tools to make it better.

[slorch]

What's even funnier is it's the single 40 year old man that said it..

he's not 40...;):D

[dragons08]

I hate when religion get's brought into discussions. It's what you believe, doesn't mean it's right, doesn't mean it's wrong. So by saying "this is fact" because of your religion is total bs.

What happened to equality? Yes, men are perceived as the "strong role model" "care-taker of the family", but what about the wives making the bacon and the husband is stay at home dad.

You can't sit here and judge people, as long as the family is happy, who are you to tell them that's not how it's supposed to be?

[dragons08]

he's not 40...;):d

50*

[lonny23]

he's not 40...;):D
I bet I'm not single when I turn 40, either.

[dragons08]

I bet I'm not single when I turn 40, either.

Well since you're so much better than the entire women populous, I doubt it.

[slorch]

I hate when religion get's brought into discussions. It's what you believe, doesn't mean it's right, doesn't mean it's wrong. So by saying "this is fact" because of your religion is total bs.

What happened to equality? Yes, men are perceived as the "strong role model" "care-taker of the family", but what about the wives making the bacon and the husband is stay at home dad.

You can't sit here and judge people, as long as the family is happy, who are you to tell them that's not how it's supposed to be?

Religion isn't the focus of our marriage and I hoped I didn't convey that. Serving/ loving God is though.

I always tease one of my good friends because his wife makes more $ than he does. he just laughs and talks about his doubting of his self worth because he's not the "Big Boy" in the family. They have a happy marriage because their focus is on their family, not about who makes what or who is supposed to do which chore.

I agree with you in that I think you are saying, "If the dishes need to be done, just do them. It doesn't matter what your gender is." That is how it is at my house.

[lonny23]

I hate when religion get's brought into discussions. It's what you believe, doesn't mean it's right, doesn't mean it's wrong. So by saying "this is fact" because of your religion is total bs.

What happened to equality? Yes, men are perceived as the "strong role model" "care-taker of the family", but what about the wives making the bacon and the husband is stay at home dad.

You can't sit here and judge people, as long as the family is happy, who are you to tell them that's not how it's supposed to be?Yes, it can work where the woman works, but I'm going to say this and it won't be popular with some people. Men are better suited mentally to work outside the home than women are. It's just how God made us. Most women don't have the calmness or rationality to deal with the daily stresses of jobs as guys have. That's part of the reason why so many women that work also smoke. The work gets to them and they turn to smoking for stress relief. At the end of the day, the work that is supposed to liberate women still leaves them with an empty feeling.

I am in no way saying that all guys are the greatest on the job, but they generally are more logical and steadier than women at work. There are some great female leaders out there, but many women are overmatched on the job when they have to be leaders.

Women usually do a better job than men at being nurturers. Most men don't know how to express their feelings or deal with emotional problems very well. Most men don't know how to talk. There are some Mr. Mom's, but there are just as many people like my dad who will sit aorund nd not interact with my kids enough and he doesn't know what their needs are and do them on time.

Part of the reason kids talk about the mom being boss is because all they see their dad's do is watch TV and goof off around the house. Housework is supposed to be a partnership. If mom and dad work, they should pretty much split the chores. If mom stays at home, it should be expected that she would do most of the chores, just as I'd say if dad stayed at home.

[lonny23]

Religion isn't the focus of our marriage and I hoped I didn't convey that. Serving/ loving God is though.

I always tease one of my good friends because his wife makes more $ than he does. he just laughs and talks about his doubting of his self worth because he's not the "Big Boy" in the family. They have a happy marriage because their focus is on their family, not about who makes what or who is supposed to do which chore.

I agree with you in that I think you are saying, "If the dishes need to be done, just do them. It doesn't matter what your gender is." That is how it is at my house.I'd have no problem with a wife making more money than me!:D

[lonny23]

Well since you're so much better than the entire women populous, I doubt it.
I never said that. I've always been open about my own shortcoming in my marriage and what I'd do differently the next time.

[slorch]

Men are better suited mentally to work outside the home than women are. It's just how God made us. Most women don't have the calmness or rationality to deal with the daily stresses of jobs as guys have. That's part of the reason why so many women that work also smoke. The work gets to them and they turn to smoking for stress relief. At the end of the day, the work that is supposed to liberate women still leaves them with an empty feeling.

I am in no way saying that all guys are the greatest on the job, but they generally are more logical and steadier than women at work. There are some great female leaders out there, but many women are overmatched on the job when they have to be leaders.

Women usually do a better job than men at being nurturers. Most men don't know how to express their feelings or deal with emotional problems very well. Most men don't know how to talk. There are some Mr. Mom's, but there are just as many people like my dad who will sit aorund nd not interact with my kids enough and he doesn't know what their needs are and do them on time.

Part of the reason kids talk about the mom being boss is because all they see their dad's do is watch TV and goof off around the house. Housework is supposed to be a partnership. If mom and dad work, they should pretty much split the chores. If mom stays at home, it should be expected that she would do most of the chores, just as I'd say if dad stayed at home.

could you subscribe to any more stereotypes?

this post is nothing but pure rubbish...

[lonny23]

What's even funnier is it's the single 40 year old man that said it..
I would like to remind you that I've been single for less than 6 months and my Biblical beliefs meant I wasn't going to pursue anybody until my extended-time divorce case was finalized.

[lonny23]

could you subscribe to any more stereotypes?

this post is nothing but pure rubbish...
It's not rubbish. God gave men and women the roles in the Bible because he knew what people were generally most suited for. Men can be nurturers, but they're not usually as maturally good at it. Women can do great outside the home, but I often see women that struggle and are overmatched. People do what they have to do. That doesn't mean they're making decisons based upon their natural strengths. Rarely do men fulfill the role of a woman in a single parent home. Rarely do women fulfill the roie of the man in a single parent home. They do their best, but their best is almost never as good as the real thing.

[slorch]

It's not rubbish. God gave men and women the roles in the Bible because he knew what people were generally most suited for. Men can be nurturers, but they're not usually as maturally good at it. Women can do great outside the home, but I often see women that struggle and are overmatched. People do what they have to do. That doesn't mean they're making decisons based upon their natural strengths. Rarely do men fulfill the role of a woman in a single parent home. Rarely do women fulfill the roie of the man in a single parent home. They do their best, but their best is almost never as good as the real thing.

you cannot expect to have a reasonable conversation/ relationship if you believe so many things that are simply generalizations.

Every individual is different.

[lonny23]

slorch,

You have to remember I'm in the Air Force and have a level of interaction with people above what you see in the civilian community. It's not like the "Shut up and do it" world of the Marines, either. I spend much of my daily life talking to people. I have to listen to their problems and help them out. I talk about their general lives, too. I deal with male and female, young and old, and also all races (Black, white, Hispanic, and Asian). These people come from all areas of the United States and have different family backgrounds and values.

[JagFan]

Yes, it can work where the woman works, but I'm going to say this and it won't be popular with some people. Men are better suited mentally to work outside the home than women are. It's just how God made us. Most women don't have the calmness or rationality to deal with the daily stresses of jobs as guys have. That's part of the reason why so many women that work also smoke. The work gets to them and they turn to smoking for stress relief. At the end of the day, the work that is supposed to liberate women still leaves them with an empty feeling.

I am in no way saying that all guys are the greatest on the job, but they generally are more logical and steadier than women at work. There are some great female leaders out there, but many women are overmatched on the job when they have to be leaders.

Women usually do a better job than men at being nurturers. Most men don't know how to express their feelings or deal with emotional problems very well. Most men don't know how to talk. There are some Mr. Mom's, but there are just as many people like my dad who will sit around nd not interact with my kids enough and he doesn't know what their needs are and do them on time.

Part of the reason kids talk about the mom being boss is because all they see their dad's do is watch TV and goof off around the house. Housework is supposed to be a partnership. If mom and dad work, they should pretty much split the chores. If mom stays at home, it should be expected that she would do most of the chores, just as I'd say if dad stayed at home.

Enough already. Each family needs to figure what works for them. I did stay home full time when the boys were younger and now only work part time with our youngest in middle school. I have been fortunate that I can do that. We own our own business and I can work from home if needed. My children come first. I have loved doing that and would not trade it.

That being said I know some stay at home moms that really need to go find a job. They are not happy therefor their children are not happy and the dad is miserable. I also know moms that have full time jobs that are the most amazing moms I know.

I get tired of the what should moms do argument. They should work with their husband and figure out what works best for their families. Not what I think they should do.

Even when I stayed at home full time if something needed to be picked up my husband did it. Not because I am a sloppy housekeeper but because it is OUR home and it needed to be done. I cook so the kids with dad supervision do the dishes. It is give and take and somehow it all works out.

As far as women not being able to handle the stress of working, you have never stayed home with two small children and had up to 9 neighborhood children running through your house on any given summer day. Staying at home and running the household is about as stressful as it can get. It matches any top level executive job I know. We part ways big time on this one.

[lonny23]

you cannot expect to have a reasonable conversation/ relationship if you believe so many things that are simply generalizations.

Every individual is different.
Sure, everybody is different, but cut the PC crap. God gave us our strengths and we must work on our weaknesses and sometimes we're forced to use our weaknesses, but that doesn't mean they're not weaknesses.

I'm a lot better listener and empathizer than most men. I think it's OK to cry and be emotional and I can express myself better than most men, but doesn't mean I don't think most men are stupid in those areas.

Man, I see this stuff every day. I saw a bunch of stuff im my parents marriage growing up. I have a running log book in my head of the things I see good and bad and how they should be.

It's not like I'm casting the first stone, either. I talk about what others are doing wrong, but I have no problem working on my own weaknesses.

[slorch]

slorch,

You have to remember I'm in the Air Force and have a level of interaction with people above what you see in the civilian community. It's not like the "Shut up and do it" world of the Marines, either. I spend much of my daily life talking to people. I have to listen to their problems and help them out. I talk about their general lives, too. I deal with male and female, young and old, and also all races (Black, white, Hispanic, and Asian). These people come from all areas of the United States and have different family backgrounds and values.

I had no idea we were so uncivilized in the Marine Corps...:rolleyes:

What makes your interaction any different that mine in the civilian world? Your folks signed up to be there, I' deal with the public that isn't bound by the UCMJ in how to conduct themselves.

My point is that everyone has friends, acquaintences, and people that they interact with every day. Just because you're on a military installation doesn't give you some kind of unique perspective into the inner workings of our society. People are people, and unless you're living in the boonies somewhere, you're going to deal with someone different from yourself.

the stereotypes that you evidently cling to are very limiting in how you can interact with other folks without judging them or totally turning them off to any good advice you have. I think if you approach everyone with respect and listen to what is on their hearts, then you can have a positive relationship. if you are pigeonholing folks into roles because of some lame generalization, then you will always be dissappointed and the people around you not like you a whole lot either. Look at people for who they are, not who you think they should be.

[lonny23]

Enough already. Each family needs to figure what works for them. I did stay home full time when the boys were younger and now only work part time with our youngest in middle school. I have been fortunate that I can do that. We own our own business and I can work from home if needed. My children come first. I have loved doing that and would not trade it.

That being said I know some stay at home moms that really need to go find a job. They are not happy therefor their children are not happy and the dad is miserable. I also know moms that have full time jobs that are the most amazing moms I know.

I get tired of the what should moms do argument. They should work with their husband and figure out what works best for their families. Not what I think they should do.

Even when I stayed at home full time if something needed to be picked up my husband did it. Not because I am a sloppy housekeeper but because it is OUR home and it needed to be done. I cook so the kids with dad supervision do the dishes. It is give and take and somehow it all works out.

As far as women not being able to handle the stress of working, you have never stayed home with two small children and had up to 9 neighborhood children running through your house on any given summer day. Staying at home and running the household is about as stressful as it can get. It matches any top level executive job I know. We part ways big time on this one.I agree 100% that staying at home has many stressors. I'm just saying the job stressors are different and men usually do better with them.

You're right that couples need to work out what's best for them and sometimes people's natural personalities dictate that the roles be reversed. God does bring people together to fit like a puzzle and that sometimes means the man is more like a woman than normal and it also means the woman is more like a man than normal. I'm just saying it's not normally that way. I also don't normally use normal this much in a post!:D

I think much of the pressure for women to work is from the liberal women's lib movement that doesn't honor taking care of kids. You're told you're not being all you can be by staying at home when it's a very honorable duty. I still say that many of the women who work to feel better about themselves are still left with an empty feeling. Likewise, dads get a stigma for staying at home and I don't agree that a man has to work to "Be the man of the house".

[slorch]

I have a log in my head .

and about that splinter in my eye...;):D

[slorch]

Sure, everybody is different, but cut the PC crap. .

Slorch is labeled as PC now???

Torbush!

[cajun]

So, this thread is not really about Dirk a "True Warrior"?...I've been fooled again...Was expecting to see photos of Dirk in "True Warrior" gear and whatnot...You know, holding a machine gun, grenade, face painted and stuff....:rolleyes:

[lonny23]

I had no idea we were so uncivilized in the Marine Corps...:rolleyes:

What makes your interaction any different that mine in the civilian world? Your folks signed up to be there, I' deal with the public that isn't bound by the UCMJ in how to conduct themselves.

My point is that everyone has friends, acquaintences, and people that they interact with every day. Just because you're on a military installation doesn't give you some kind of unique perspective into the inner workings of our society. People are people, and unless you're living in the boonies somewhere, you're going to deal with someone different from yourself.

the stereotypes that you evidently cling to are very limiting in how you can interact with other folks without judging them or totally turning them off to any good advice you have. I think if you approach everyone with respect and listen to what is on their hearts, then you can have a positive relationship. if you are pigeonholing folks into roles because of some lame generalization, then you will always be dissappointed and the people around you not like you a whole lot either. Look at people for who they are, not who you think they should be.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my general perception of the Marines has always been that they're less inclined to deal with feelings and discussing things than the Air Force. I didn't say you don't have it, because I know you do, but it's not the same mentality.

I don't have conversations with those around me like I'm having with you now.

I wish you could see that you're being a tool of the enemy in this thread. If you honestly prayed, God would show you what I'm trying to say. I have to fight spiritual warfare with what I see on a daily basis and I also have to fight it on this board when people (Not everybody) that should work with me and chime in on a topic to help others don't do it.

You know the world is messed up, but instead of trying to make things better, you're promoting more of the same on here.

[lonny23]

Slorch is labeled as PC now???

Torbush!
You're more PC than you realize. Look how much Devil's Advocate stuff you've said in this thread to fight what I've come on here and said that's straight out of the same Bible you believe in.

[JagFan]

I agree 100% that staying at home has many stressors. I'm just saying the job stressors are different and men usually do better with them.

You're right that couples need to work out what's best for them and sometimes people's natural personalities dictate that the roles be reversed. God does bring people together to fit like a puzzle and that sometimes means the man is more like a woman than normal and it also means the woman is more like a man than normal. I'm just saying it's not normally that way. I also don't normally use normal this much in a post!:D

I think much of the pressure for women to work is from the liberal women's lib movement that doesn't honor taking care of kids. You're told you're not being all you can be by staying at home when it's a very honorable duty. I still say that many of the women who work to feel better about themselves are still left with an empty feeling. Likewise, dads get a stigma for staying at home and I don't agree that a man has to work to "Be the man of the house".

Lonny, I think I get your point but it's the delivery that needs work.

I am by no means a big women libber but I do agree that women can do anything they put their mind to. Like I said I know some amazing moms that work full time as do their husbands and their kids are great and well adjusted. Just as I know moms that stay home because they are told that is what is expected and are miserable so their families are miserable too.

When you talk to people don't tell them what their role is but tell them to talk it out with each other and work it out. Compromise works very well.

[lonny23]

and about that splinter in my eye...;):D
You won't worry about it after I hit you with the log!:D

[lonny23]

Lonny, I think I get your point but it's the delivery that needs work.

I am by no means a big women libber but I do agree that women can do anything they put their mind to. Like I said I know some amazing moms that work full time as do their husbands and their kids are great and well adjusted. Just as I know moms that stay home because they are told that is what is expected and are miserable so their families are miserable too.

When you talk to people don't tell them what their role is but tell them to talk it out with each other and work it out. Compromise works very well.
I agree with what you said. My tone and words in person are not like the board although I would use a lot of the same message. I use the listening technique very well and had to learn over the years to approach each person differently. Getting to know people is part of my strategy for knowing how to talk to them.

Again, it comes back to people being able to talk 300-500 words a minute or so and typing a lot less. If you were to talk to me, you'd know I use about every possible technique possible to get my point across. I almost always have a counterpoint to others retorts so we can both better understand where we're coming from.

Another thing I learned on the way with people is that you can't beat them over the head. If they don't listen, you just prayer and hope to speak again later or that somebody else can speak. This board is different because we're speaking to many people whether they ever post or not.

[JagFan]

You're more PC than you realize. Look how much Devil's Advocate stuff you've said in this thread to fight what I've come on here and said that's straight out of the same Bible you believe in.

Just because we need to have our sword sharpened all the time does not mean we have to cut people with to make our point. :)

[lonny23]

So, this thread is not really about Dirk a "True Warrior"?...I've been fooled again...Was expecting to see photos of Dirk in "True Warrior" gear and whatnot...You know, holding a machine gun, grenade, face painted and stuff....:rolleyes:
This thread has definitely taken a few turns!:D

[slorch]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my general perception of the Marines has always been that they're less inclined to deal with feelings and discussing things than the Air Force. I didn't say you don't have it, because I know you do, but it's not the same mentality.

I don't have conversations with those around me like I'm having with you now.

I wish you could see that you're being a tool of the enemy in this thread. If you honestly prayed, God would show you what I'm trying to say. I have to fight spiritual warfare with what I see on a daily basis and I also have to fight it on this board when people (Not everybody) that should work with me and chime in on a topic to help others don't do it.

You know the world is messed up, but instead of trying to make things better, you're promoting more of the same on here.

so by gaining someone's trust and sharing what has worked in my life is making me an implement of the enemy? really?

I thought it was being Christlike...

I'm sure believing in stereotypes and telling folks where they have come up short is bound to be entirely more effective...:eek:

[lonny23]

Just because we need to have our sword sharpened all the time does not mean we have to cut people with to make our point. :)
That's very true. slorch is a good guy and I never would've said that to him if I hadn't interacted with him so much over the years. I said it to make a point. I was very blunt on purpose because I want him on my team to try to help others. slorch has a lot more character than most of the posters on this board and he's willing to go against the grain and say a few things that aren't always popular.

[slorch]

You're more PC than you realize. Look how much Devil's Advocate stuff you've said in this thread to fight what I've come on here and said that's straight out of the same Bible you believe in.

Either your Bible or your reading comprehension varies greatly from mine.

[JagFan]

That's very true. slorch is a good guy and I never would've said that to him if I hadn't interacted with him so much over the years. I said it to make a point. I was very blunt on purpose because I want him on my team to try to help others. slorch has a lot more character than most of the posters on this board and he's willing to go against the grain and say a few things that aren't always popular.

I get that and think Slorch has temendous faith. It comes out in his posts. You believe in telling your story and witnessing to everyone. That is good and what we are comanded to do. Again your delivery comes across as cutting with your very sharp sword instead of using a softer approach.

[lonny23]

so by gaining someone's trust and sharing what has worked in my life is making me an implement of the enemy? really?

I thought it was being Christlike...

I'm sure being judgmental and telling folks where they have come up short is bound to be entirely more effective...:eek:
You get kudos for sharing your own life and successes.

We've all come up short and will keep doing it. I had to say some of the stuff because you were playing the Devil's Advocate card. You weren't working off of what I was saying to make your point. You were saying stuff to work against my point.

There's a big difference between you saying 'This is what I've done" and actually saying "This way has shown to be a better way." It involves more emotion, more words, and actually risking being unpopular. It involves taking a stand on an issue.

[slorch]

You get kudos for sharing your own life and successes.

We've all come up short and will keep doing it. I had to say some of the stuff because you were playing the Devil's Advocate card. You weren't working off of what I was saying to make your point. You were saying stuff to work against my point.

There's a big difference between you saying 'This is what I've done" and actually saying "This way has shown to be a better way." It involves more emotion, more words, and actually risking being unpopular. It involves taking a stand on an issue.

there is nothing more powerful to a non believer than your own testimony, IMO.

If you sit there and tell them, "Do as I say, but I haven't lived it." what value is found there? those kinds of folks are everywhere.

[lonny23]

Either your Bible or your reading comprehension varies greatly from mine.
At a minimum, I'd venture that I'm bolder and my guess would be for lack of a better word, more legalistic about what it says and how much it is to influence our lives.

[lonny23]

I get that and think Slorch has temendous faith. It comes out in his posts. You believe in telling your story and witnessing to everyone. That is good and what we are comanded to do. Again your delivery comes across as cutting with your very sharp sword instead of using a softer approach.
I won't argue about the softer approach. I should've been softer way back there on one of the original posts.

Believe me, how it comes across here is what my ex-wife does in person and I used to always tell her she had to tone it down.

[slorch]

At a minimum, I'd venture that I'm bolder and my guess would be for lack of a better word, more legalistic about what it says and how much it is to influence our lives.

holier than thou?:eek:

Lonny really. that is something between each of us and the Lord. I do not know how you could possibly know how to quantify our faith in the Lord, nor do I care to know. Just knowing you love the Lord is enough for me, as it is for Him.

[lonny23]

there is nothing more powerful to a non believer than your own testimony, IMO.

If you sit there and tell them, "Do as I say, but I haven't lived it." what value is found there? those kinds of folks are everywhere.
You're 100% right about that. You have to set the example.

Here's all I'm saying. You know me well enough to know where my heart is. All you need to do is ask yourself, "What is he trying to say here?" My thoughts will always come out over a series of posts if you don't catch on in the 1st post. You can work off of that. It's not like I'm going to come on here and tell people to lie, steal, or cheat. It's not like I'm going to tell people to hate their fellow man. I'm not going to say it's worthless to get married. I will say what I think is wrong about things, but that's because I want to see better things and want better things for others (Maybe not UT fans!:p).

I know this is a football board, but I also know there are a lot of hurting people on here each day and I feel bad for their lives. I'll never know who reads stuff and doesn't post. I make a serious effort to talk about stuff to help others and I'm definitely brash. Part of that comes through because I have plenty of detractors who want to ridicule my every word.

[lonny23]

holier than thou?:eek:

Lonny really. that is something between each of us and the Lord. I do not know how you could possibly know how to quantify our faith in the Lord, nor do I care to know. Just knowing you love the Lord is enough for me, as it is for Him.
I didn't say that. I was only speculating based upon your statement. I know you have great faith in the Lord based upon some of the things you've gone through. I know your heart's desire is to please the Lord.

[Firebird]

I agree with your Devil's Advocate points. There are possibilities that he wants her to drive and maybe she just had a bad day, but I seriously doubt it. Just as King Solomon did long ago, I prayed for wisdom as a teenager. One of the things that I've been able to do since then is be a good judge of human behavior. I almost always know if somebody is lying to me and I can sometimes pick up on a person's character as soon as I meet them. I'm not going to say I've never been wrong, but I will say that you won't find too many people that are a better judge of character than me.

I'm not the type of person to automatically trust a person and then be proven wrong. I know human nature too well to think everybody is honest. I don't hold to old notions (Good or bad), nor do I give carte blanche to people because of their occupation. There are many shady preachers, just as there are some good lawyers.

The megalomania is strong here.

I tell you what, usually I decide whether or not someone is an :Censor: hole within two minutes of meeting them, and usually I am right....:rolleyes:

[Firebird]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my general perception of the Marines has always been that they're less inclined to deal with feelings and discussing things than the Air Force. I didn't say you don't have it, because I know you do, but it's not the same mentality.

I don't have conversations with those around me like I'm having with you now.

I wish you could see that you're being a tool of the enemy in this thread. If you honestly prayed, God would show you what I'm trying to say. I have to fight spiritual warfare with what I see on a daily basis and I also have to fight it on this board when people (Not everybody) that should work with me and chime in on a topic to help others don't do it.

You know the world is messed up, but instead of trying to make things better, you're promoting more of the same on here.

I always knew that slorch was not only from Colorado, but a minion of Satan.

[slorch]

The megalomania is strong here.

I tell you what, usually I decide whether or not someone is an :Censor: hole within two minutes of meeting them, and usually I am right....:rolleyes:

seriously, I LOLed, and my wife came running in to ask what was so funny...:notworthy

[slorch]

I always knew that slorch was not only from Colorado, but a minion of Satan.

don't tread on me...:cool:

[dragons08]

Religion isn't the focus of our marriage and I hoped I didn't convey that. Serving/ loving God is though.

I always tease one of my good friends because his wife makes more $ than he does. he just laughs and talks about his doubting of his self worth because he's not the "Big Boy" in the family. They have a happy marriage because their focus is on their family, not about who makes what or who is supposed to do which chore.

I agree with you in that I think you are saying, "If the dishes need to be done, just do them. It doesn't matter what your gender is." That is how it is at my house.

My house too. Granted dad makes the bacon, but my dad will also cook during the weekends, sometimes during the week my mom will do the yardwork. It's just a whoever can do it, does it. None of this "she's the wife, I don't cook" nonsense.

[lonny23]

My house too. Granted dad makes the bacon, but my dad will also cook during the weekends, sometimes during the week my mom will do the yardwork. It's just a whoever can do it, does it. None of this "she's the wife, I don't cook" nonsense.
What happens at your house is the way it's supposed to be. I've said several times in this thread that guys are bozos for not working around the house.

[DragonWatcher]

don't tread on me...:cool:

Pleased to meet you, won't you guess my name?

[lonny23]

Pleased to meet you, won't you guess my name?
There is some truth in that song because ol' boy has been behind a LOT of stuff over the years.

[JBT]

What happens at your house is the way it's supposed to be. I've said several times in this thread that guys are bozos for not working around the house.

Yeah, my dad cooks and does the dishes a lot. I think he does the majority of the cooking actually since he likes doing it. He goes to work after my mom so he's the one who makes their bed and makes sure my brother and sister are up for school. My mama cleans and does yardwork with my dad too.

They're a team. That's how our household works.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Wow...talk about a thread that got hijacked!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Back to the subject at hand, all Dirk did was show some respect, and be humble. That's all! Charles and Chris blew this way out of context, and turned it into something that it's not. Now, the last time I checked, Dirk dropped 28 in game 1, and 35 in game 2. Truth be told, they CAN'T defend him.

[lonny23]

Wow...talk about a thread that got hijacked!
I also think it's a lot of fun to hijack my threads!:D

To get back on topic, I figured Dirk would come out with a purpose today.

[lonny23]

Back to the subject at hand, all Dirk did was show some respect, and be humble. That's all! Charles and Chris blew this way out of context, and turned it into something that it's not. Now, the last time I checked, Dirk dropped 28 in game 1, and 35 in game 2. Truth be told, they CAN'T defend him.
The best stat I saw in the last few days was that Dirk had 35 and 9 in Game 2 after saying that. Dirk has done that 11 times in the playoffs or once a year.

C-Webb went for 35 and 9 in the playoffs once in his career. He scored less than Dirk in the regular season and saw his playoff averages go down. Dirk is better in the playoffs than the regular season.

[15Adragon]

Sometimes I agree Dirk is a warrior and sometimes he is sheep. ;)

It looks like the warrior is showing up today. I would not mind if he got pissed and threw a few elbows every once in a while. I think the defenders and refs would have a little more respect for him if he showed a pulse, IMO.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

The best stat I saw in the last few days was that Dirk had 35 and 9 in Game 2 after saying that. Dirk has done that 11 times in the playoffs or once a year.

C-Webb went for 35 and 9 in the playoffs once in his career. He scored less than Dirk in the regular season and saw his playoff averages go down. Dirk is better in the playoffs than the regular season.

As my cousin said earlier, Webber went MIA in the playoffs quite a few times. He has no room to talk about anyone.

[lonny23]

Sometimes I agree Dirk is a warrior and sometimes he is sheep. ;)

It looks like the warrior is showing up today. I would not mind if he got pissed and threw a few elbows every once in a while. I think the defenders and refs would have a little more respect for him if he showed a pulse, IMO.
Dirk usually comes up big in the games the Mavs need him in the most.

[lonny23]

As my cousin said earlier, Webber went MIA in the playoffs quite a few times. He has no room to talk about anyone.
I said in 2002 that C-Webb would never win a title. He was big-time soft late in games.