Texas football dynasties

[Mr_Lucci]

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No dynasty yet, says SL Carroll
Team says previous state titles, accolades won't help it beat Katy



06:33 PM CST on Friday, December 16, 2005
By TIM MacMAHON / The Dallas Morning News


SOUTHLAKE – Southlake Carroll can cement its status as one of the top high school football dynasties in state history Saturday.

Carroll can win its third state title in four seasons with a victory over Katy in the Class 5A Division II final. Carroll would also clinch its second consecutive mythical national championship.

A win would avenge Carroll's only loss since 2001. But Carroll's players, proud as they are of the program's tradition, aren't thinking about the past. Or the heartbreaking, one-point loss to Katy in the 2003 final. Or the wins in the other 62 games as a 5A program.

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"We want to go out there and win our state championship," said quarterback Greg McElroy, a senior in his only season as a starter.

Carroll would join a couple of elite clubs by doing so.

Carroll, which won 3A titles in 1988, 1992 and 1993, would become the eighth program with at least six UIL state championships.

Plano and Brownwood are the only programs with seven state titles, although Celina can join that group with a win in Saturday's 2A Division II final against Omaha Paul Pewitt.

Only 13 11-man teams have won three UIL titles in a four-year window. Converse Judson and Midland Lee are the only two programs to accomplish the feat as 5A teams.

This is no time, however, for Carroll players and coaches to ponder the historical significance of their remarkable run. Katy, ranked No. 10 in the nation, is trying to win its fourth state title since 1997.

"We can't get caught up with all the success that we've had," senior receiver McKay Jacobson said. "It doesn't matter what we did last year or the year before. Katy's a great team, and we've got to play our best game of the year in order to win."

Added coach Todd Dodge: "Five or 10 years from now, we'll get together and say, 'Wow.' But right now, you're so close to it, you can't really appreciate it."

The biggest difference between Carroll and the Judson and Lee dynasties is the style of offense. Carroll has rewritten the 5A passing record book en route to becoming the classification's first program to play four consecutive state finals. Judson and Lee featured All-America tailbacks in old-school, smash-mouth offenses.

McElroy has passed for 52 touchdowns, putting him between ex-Carroll quarterbacks Chase Wasson (54) and Chase Daniel (49) at the top of the list for touchdown passes in a season by a 5A player. Wasson and Daniel won the last three 5A offensive player of the year awards. It'd be surprising if McElroy didn't win it this season after putting up statistics that compare favorably with his predecessors.

Cedric Benson won the honor three consecutive times while carrying Lee during its 1998 to 2000 state-title spree. Lee went 43-3 while Benson rushed for a 5A-record 8,418 yards and scored 127 touchdowns – including 15 in state championship games – before starring at Texas.

Benson broke all the 5A rushing records set by Jerod Douglas, the ex-Baylor tailback who starred on Judson's 1992 and 1993 state champions. Judson won the state title again in 1995 with a more balanced but still run-based offense. Judson's three state-title squads last decade had a combined 41-2-2 record.

Dodge doesn't believe X's and O's have been the biggest factor in his program's remarkable run. He points to his players' ability to ignore the hype – five television stations sent cameras to Tuesday's practice – and focus week after week.

Carroll prepares for its foes' potential each week, not necessarily what it sees on film.

"If we didn't have that attitude around our field house," Dodge said, "we would have got ambushed a long time ago."

Carroll has plenty of confidence, as one would expect from a program that sandwiched its lone loss in 5A between a pair of 31-game winning streaks. But there is no air of invincibility.

"You're not satisfied," Jacobson said. "You don't get the feeling that you've arrived."

Only Katy, a perennial power itself, has kept Carroll from perfection the last four seasons. Carroll gets an opportunity to even the series Saturday.

If that happens, the Dragons will let others debate Carroll's place among the state's best dynasties. They'll be busy celebrating a state championship.

E-mail tmacmahon@dallasnews.com

Southlake Carroll (15-0) vs. Katy (14-0), 5A Division II final, noon Saturday, Texas Stadium, Irving (FSNSW, KKGM-AM 1630)


LUCKY SEVENS
Only seven programs have more UIL state championships than Southlake Carroll, which has five entering the 5A Division II final against Katy. The list:
School No. Years
Plano 7 1965, '67, '71, '77, '86, '87, '94
Brownwood 7 1960, '65, '67, '69, '70, '78, '81
Abilene 6 1923, '28, '31, '54, '55, '56
Celina 6 *1974, '95, '98, '99, 2000, '01
Converse Judson 6 1983, '88, '92, '93, '95, 2002
Odessa Permian 6 1965, '72, '80, '84, '89, '91
Wichita Falls 6 1941, '49, '50, '58, '61, '69
*Co-champions



POWER OF THREE
The UIL 11-man football programs that have won three state championships in four seasons:
School Class Years
Abilene 4A 1954, 1955, 1956
Amarillo N/A 1934, 1935, 1936
Austin Reagan 4A 1967, 1968, 1970
Big Sandy B 1973, 1974, 1975
Breckendridge 3A 1951, 1952, 1954
Brownwood 3A 1967, 1969, 1970
Celina 2A Div. II 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001
Converse Judson 5A Div. I 1992, 1993, 1995
LaMarque 4A Div. II# 1995, 1996, 1997
Midland Lee 5A Div. I 1998, 1999, 2000
Sealy 3A 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997
Stamford 2A 1955, 1956, 1958, 1959
Waco N/A 1925, 1926, 1927
#4A did not have two divisions until 1996



WHO'S No. 1?

Staff Writer Tim MacMahon ranks the top dynasties in Class 5A history, which dates to 1980:

1. Midland Lee
Titles: 1998, '99, 2000

Cedric Benson rushed for 680 yards and 15 TDs in state championship games

2. Converse Judson
Titles: 1992, '93, '95

Judson would top the list if it hadn't lost state finals in 1990, '96 and '98

3. Southlake Carroll
Titles: 2002, '04

Carroll vaults to the top of the list if it avenges its only loss in last four seasons

4. Katy
Titles: 1997, 2000, 2003

No back-to-back titles, but Katy can win its fourth in nine years

5. Odessa Permian
Titles: 1980, '84, '89

Mojo peaked as Permian went 122-11-6 during the decade

Honorable mention
Lewisville: Ran Wishbone to titles in 1993 and '96

Plano: Went back-to-back in 1986-87 and won seventh state title in '94

[farmerfan]

Since Lewisville is mentioned in here let me add that in the 1995 division 2 arear finals, we outplaed Arlington Lamar to the tune of 450+ yards to their 200 but lost 20-18 on a 53 yard field goal as time expired. Turnovers hurt us in that game and Lamar being the great team they were capatilized on them. Of couse had we won that game it would have meant another masacre at the hand of FM Marcus that year, so losing to Lamar was not as bad as it seemed especially considering we won state the next year.
By the way, that yeart Marcus beat a 11-0-2 Lamar team 42-17, it was 35-0 at the half. :eek:

[lonny23]

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No dynasty yet, says SL Carroll
Team says previous state titles, accolades won't help it beat Katy



06:33 PM CST on Friday, December 16, 2005
By TIM MacMAHON / The Dallas Morning News


SOUTHLAKE – Southlake Carroll can cement its status as one of the top high school football dynasties in state history Saturday.

Carroll can win its third state title in four seasons with a victory over Katy in the Class 5A Division II final. Carroll would also clinch its second consecutive mythical national championship.

A win would avenge Carroll's only loss since 2001. But Carroll's players, proud as they are of the program's tradition, aren't thinking about the past. Or the heartbreaking, one-point loss to Katy in the 2003 final. Or the wins in the other 62 games as a 5A program.

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"We want to go out there and win our state championship," said quarterback Greg McElroy, a senior in his only season as a starter.

Carroll would join a couple of elite clubs by doing so.

Carroll, which won 3A titles in 1988, 1992 and 1993, would become the eighth program with at least six UIL state championships.

Plano and Brownwood are the only programs with seven state titles, although Celina can join that group with a win in Saturday's 2A Division II final against Omaha Paul Pewitt.

Only 13 11-man teams have won three UIL titles in a four-year window. Converse Judson and Midland Lee are the only two programs to accomplish the feat as 5A teams.

This is no time, however, for Carroll players and coaches to ponder the historical significance of their remarkable run. Katy, ranked No. 10 in the nation, is trying to win its fourth state title since 1997.

"We can't get caught up with all the success that we've had," senior receiver McKay Jacobson said. "It doesn't matter what we did last year or the year before. Katy's a great team, and we've got to play our best game of the year in order to win."

Added coach Todd Dodge: "Five or 10 years from now, we'll get together and say, 'Wow.' But right now, you're so close to it, you can't really appreciate it."

The biggest difference between Carroll and the Judson and Lee dynasties is the style of offense. Carroll has rewritten the 5A passing record book en route to becoming the classification's first program to play four consecutive state finals. Judson and Lee featured All-America tailbacks in old-school, smash-mouth offenses.

McElroy has passed for 52 touchdowns, putting him between ex-Carroll quarterbacks Chase Wasson (54) and Chase Daniel (49) at the top of the list for touchdown passes in a season by a 5A player. Wasson and Daniel won the last three 5A offensive player of the year awards. It'd be surprising if McElroy didn't win it this season after putting up statistics that compare favorably with his predecessors.

Cedric Benson won the honor three consecutive times while carrying Lee during its 1998 to 2000 state-title spree. Lee went 43-3 while Benson rushed for a 5A-record 8,418 yards and scored 127 touchdowns – including 15 in state championship games – before starring at Texas.

Benson broke all the 5A rushing records set by Jerod Douglas, the ex-Baylor tailback who starred on Judson's 1992 and 1993 state champions. Judson won the state title again in 1995 with a more balanced but still run-based offense. Judson's three state-title squads last decade had a combined 41-2-2 record.

Dodge doesn't believe X's and O's have been the biggest factor in his program's remarkable run. He points to his players' ability to ignore the hype – five television stations sent cameras to Tuesday's practice – and focus week after week.

Carroll prepares for its foes' potential each week, not necessarily what it sees on film.

"If we didn't have that attitude around our field house," Dodge said, "we would have got ambushed a long time ago."

Carroll has plenty of confidence, as one would expect from a program that sandwiched its lone loss in 5A between a pair of 31-game winning streaks. But there is no air of invincibility.

"You're not satisfied," Jacobson said. "You don't get the feeling that you've arrived."

Only Katy, a perennial power itself, has kept Carroll from perfection the last four seasons. Carroll gets an opportunity to even the series Saturday.

If that happens, the Dragons will let others debate Carroll's place among the state's best dynasties. They'll be busy celebrating a state championship.

E-mail tmacmahon@dallasnews.com

Southlake Carroll (15-0) vs. Katy (14-0), 5A Division II final, noon Saturday, Texas Stadium, Irving (FSNSW, KKGM-AM 1630)


LUCKY SEVENS
Only seven programs have more UIL state championships than Southlake Carroll, which has five entering the 5A Division II final against Katy. The list:
School No. Years
Plano 7 1965, '67, '71, '77, '86, '87, '94
Brownwood 7 1960, '65, '67, '69, '70, '78, '81
Abilene 6 1923, '28, '31, '54, '55, '56
Celina 6 *1974, '95, '98, '99, 2000, '01
Converse Judson 6 1983, '88, '92, '93, '95, 2002
Odessa Permian 6 1965, '72, '80, '84, '89, '91
Wichita Falls 6 1941, '49, '50, '58, '61, '69
*Co-champions



POWER OF THREE
The UIL 11-man football programs that have won three state championships in four seasons:
School Class Years
Abilene 4A 1954, 1955, 1956
Amarillo N/A 1934, 1935, 1936
Austin Reagan 4A 1967, 1968, 1970
Big Sandy B 1973, 1974, 1975
Breckendridge 3A 1951, 1952, 1954
Brownwood 3A 1967, 1969, 1970
Celina 2A Div. II 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001
Converse Judson 5A Div. I 1992, 1993, 1995
LaMarque 4A Div. II# 1995, 1996, 1997
Midland Lee 5A Div. I 1998, 1999, 2000
Sealy 3A 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997
Stamford 2A 1955, 1956, 1958, 1959
Waco N/A 1925, 1926, 1927
#4A did not have two divisions until 1996



WHO'S No. 1?

Staff Writer Tim MacMahon ranks the top dynasties in Class 5A history, which dates to 1980:

1. Midland Lee
Titles: 1998, '99, 2000

Cedric Benson rushed for 680 yards and 15 TDs in state championship games

2. Converse Judson
Titles: 1992, '93, '95

Judson would top the list if it hadn't lost state finals in 1990, '96 and '98

3. Southlake Carroll
Titles: 2002, '04

Carroll vaults to the top of the list if it avenges its only loss in last four seasons

4. Katy
Titles: 1997, 2000, 2003

No back-to-back titles, but Katy can win its fourth in nine years

5. Odessa Permian
Titles: 1980, '84, '89

Mojo peaked as Permian went 122-11-6 during the decade

Honorable mention
Lewisville: Ran Wishbone to titles in 1993 and '96

Plano: Went back-to-back in 1986-87 and won seventh state title in '94
The more I read MacMahon, the less credibility he has. 3 titles and 4 title games in 4 years beats 3 straight titles, but it never beats 3 titles and 6 title games in 9 years.

[Alamo_Mojo]

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2. Converse Judson
Titles: 1992, '93, '95


How can Judson be even considered #2! This is the only team in the list was spanked by the REAL state champion in 2 of the 3 years posted:

'92 -They were thrashed by Temple in their own back yard, Temple moves on and beats Houston Yates in the State Finals!
'95 -They were beat by SA Roosevelt that went on to a perfect 16-0 season- Best team in State Roosevelt!


Judson is the only team that I know of that was beaten by a team that went on to win a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. Even if you had a good season why would you want to be listed among the best! Its like you know the fans know your playing 2nd FIDDLE next to the team that beat you!

and 2nd fiddle sucks!

[KT2000]

Judson is the top dynasty in 5A and it's not even up for debate in my opinion. Carroll/Katy are tied at #2 on my list for 5A. Tigers obviously have a longevity edge on Carroll since they've been 5A since the start. Carroll has just as many 5A championships (3) as Katy now.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Judson is the top dynasty in 5A and it's not even up for debate in my opinion. Carroll/Katy are tied at #2 on my list for 5A. Tigers obviously have a longevity edge on Carroll since they've been 5A since the start. Carroll has just as many 5A championships (3) as Katy now.What about Midland Lee? even though I dont like them but you have to respect them.

[KT2000]

I put Lee just ahead of Plano. Lee hasn't displayed the same kind of consistent playoff success programs like Judson Permian and Katy have. Lee had the Cedric years, and not much late round playoff success to speak of outside of that particular three year period.

[Alamo_Mojo]

Judson is the top dynasty in 5A and it's not even up for debate in my opinion. Carroll/Katy are tied at #2 on my list for 5A. Tigers obviously have a longevity edge on Carroll since they've been 5A since the start. Carroll has just as many 5A championships (3) as Katy now.

I like Judson fine, as a matter of fact their my favorite 2nd team! I'm right there in the thick of 'em high-fiving along with celebrating with the wins. I thought this was directed toward THE BEST...but Judson as the best and/or top? :eek: In my opinion they are a great team but not THE BEST!:D I thought the 92 rocket team was the best Rocket team I've seen, but the BEST I've ever seen.
I started liking Judson back in the "Jinks" QB days.

TOP or THE BEST :confused:

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I'm surprised with Baytown Lee, with all the success Olin has had he still can't win a third roud playoff game.

[lonny23]

I'm surprised with Baytown Lee, with all the success Olin has had he still can't win a third roud playoff game.
C'mon dude. Give me some credit for your quote at the bottom. All you said was he was the best coach you've ever witnessed and I added the rest.

[KT2000]

Humble's lack of playoff success is the most mind boggling of Houston area teams to me. They've had absolutely SICK talent step on that campus, and it baffles me they aren't one of the top playoff teams in the area.

[lonny23]

Humble's lack of playoff success is the most mind boggling of Houston area teams to me. They've had absolutely SICK talent step on that campus, and it baffles me they aren't one of the top playoff teams in the area.
How's the coaching? I know they've had some talent. They're always good for a win or two, but don't have consistency to go deep.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Humble's lack of playoff success is the most mind boggling of Houston area teams to me. They've had absolutely SICK talent step on that campus, and it baffles me they aren't one of the top playoff teams in the area.
Oh yeah. Wasn't it just 3 years ago they we're ranked in the nation and was a lock to win state?

[lonny23]

Oh yeah. Wasn't it just 3 years ago they we're ranked in the nation and was a lock to win state?
I think it was 2002, but it might've been 2003.

[KT2000]

2002 was supposed to be their year as was 1997 when they had David Givens (Super Bowl winner) and Leo Mills leading their offense with Sammy Davis (NFL, junior in 97) on defense.

They got to the semis in 1995 but that's the furthest they've gotten.

They've probably take in more talent than any other high school in the city save for North Shore/Westfield or Eisenhower of the 90s. They are right on par with those schools as far as the kind of talent they get every year.

I can't comment on the coaching because I don't know enough about them. However, the talent they've had is on par or greater than any other school in the area and there's little to show for it in the way of team trophies.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I can't comment on the coaching because I don't know enough about them. However, the talent they've had is on par or greater than any other school in the area and there's little to show for it in the way of team trophies.I can comment. Apparently the coaching was straight up until a couple of years ago. A very reliable source (person of interest in Humble) told a couple of us that went to a game in 2003 that there was a fall out between HC/AD and alumni and the fact that they didn't go far in the playoffs. And with that all going on the HC was getting to "that age" if you know what I mean. The talent has been there and will still be there year after year --------reminds me of PAM right?

[WildcatFan]

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No dynasty yet, says SL Carroll
Team says previous state titles, accolades won't help it beat Katy



06:33 PM CST on Friday, December 16, 2005
By TIM MacMAHON / The Dallas Morning News


SOUTHLAKE – Southlake Carroll can cement its status as one of the top high school football dynasties in state history Saturday.

Carroll can win its third state title in four seasons with a victory over Katy in the Class 5A Division II final. Carroll would also clinch its second consecutive mythical national championship.

A win would avenge Carroll's only loss since 2001. But Carroll's players, proud as they are of the program's tradition, aren't thinking about the past. Or the heartbreaking, one-point loss to Katy in the 2003 final. Or the wins in the other 62 games as a 5A program.

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"We want to go out there and win our state championship," said quarterback Greg McElroy, a senior in his only season as a starter.

Carroll would join a couple of elite clubs by doing so.

Carroll, which won 3A titles in 1988, 1992 and 1993, would become the eighth program with at least six UIL state championships.

Plano and Brownwood are the only programs with seven state titles, although Celina can join that group with a win in Saturday's 2A Division II final against Omaha Paul Pewitt.

Only 13 11-man teams have won three UIL titles in a four-year window. Converse Judson and Midland Lee are the only two programs to accomplish the feat as 5A teams.

This is no time, however, for Carroll players and coaches to ponder the historical significance of their remarkable run. Katy, ranked No. 10 in the nation, is trying to win its fourth state title since 1997.

"We can't get caught up with all the success that we've had," senior receiver McKay Jacobson said. "It doesn't matter what we did last year or the year before. Katy's a great team, and we've got to play our best game of the year in order to win."

Added coach Todd Dodge: "Five or 10 years from now, we'll get together and say, 'Wow.' But right now, you're so close to it, you can't really appreciate it."

The biggest difference between Carroll and the Judson and Lee dynasties is the style of offense. Carroll has rewritten the 5A passing record book en route to becoming the classification's first program to play four consecutive state finals. Judson and Lee featured All-America tailbacks in old-school, smash-mouth offenses.

McElroy has passed for 52 touchdowns, putting him between ex-Carroll quarterbacks Chase Wasson (54) and Chase Daniel (49) at the top of the list for touchdown passes in a season by a 5A player. Wasson and Daniel won the last three 5A offensive player of the year awards. It'd be surprising if McElroy didn't win it this season after putting up statistics that compare favorably with his predecessors.

Cedric Benson won the honor three consecutive times while carrying Lee during its 1998 to 2000 state-title spree. Lee went 43-3 while Benson rushed for a 5A-record 8,418 yards and scored 127 touchdowns – including 15 in state championship games – before starring at Texas.

Benson broke all the 5A rushing records set by Jerod Douglas, the ex-Baylor tailback who starred on Judson's 1992 and 1993 state champions. Judson won the state title again in 1995 with a more balanced but still run-based offense. Judson's three state-title squads last decade had a combined 41-2-2 record.

Dodge doesn't believe X's and O's have been the biggest factor in his program's remarkable run. He points to his players' ability to ignore the hype – five television stations sent cameras to Tuesday's practice – and focus week after week.

Carroll prepares for its foes' potential each week, not necessarily what it sees on film.

"If we didn't have that attitude around our field house," Dodge said, "we would have got ambushed a long time ago."

Carroll has plenty of confidence, as one would expect from a program that sandwiched its lone loss in 5A between a pair of 31-game winning streaks. But there is no air of invincibility.

"You're not satisfied," Jacobson said. "You don't get the feeling that you've arrived."

Only Katy, a perennial power itself, has kept Carroll from perfection the last four seasons. Carroll gets an opportunity to even the series Saturday.

If that happens, the Dragons will let others debate Carroll's place among the state's best dynasties. They'll be busy celebrating a state championship.

E-mail tmacmahon@dallasnews.com

Southlake Carroll (15-0) vs. Katy (14-0), 5A Division II final, noon Saturday, Texas Stadium, Irving (FSNSW, KKGM-AM 1630)


LUCKY SEVENS
Only seven programs have more UIL state championships than Southlake Carroll, which has five entering the 5A Division II final against Katy. The list:
School No. Years
Plano 7 1965, '67, '71, '77, '86, '87, '94
Brownwood 7 1960, '65, '67, '69, '70, '78, '81
Abilene 6 1923, '28, '31, '54, '55, '56
Celina 6 *1974, '95, '98, '99, 2000, '01
Converse Judson 6 1983, '88, '92, '93, '95, 2002
Odessa Permian 6 1965, '72, '80, '84, '89, '91
Wichita Falls 6 1941, '49, '50, '58, '61, '69
*Co-champions



POWER OF THREE
The UIL 11-man football programs that have won three state championships in four seasons:
School Class Years
Abilene 4A 1954, 1955, 1956
Amarillo N/A 1934, 1935, 1936
Austin Reagan 4A 1967, 1968, 1970
Big Sandy B 1973, 1974, 1975
Breckendridge 3A 1951, 1952, 1954
Brownwood 3A 1967, 1969, 1970
Celina 2A Div. II 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001
Converse Judson 5A Div. I 1992, 1993, 1995
LaMarque 4A Div. II# 1995, 1996, 1997
Midland Lee 5A Div. I 1998, 1999, 2000
Sealy 3A 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997
Stamford 2A 1955, 1956, 1958, 1959
Waco N/A 1925, 1926, 1927
#4A did not have two divisions until 1996



WHO'S No. 1?

Staff Writer Tim MacMahon ranks the top dynasties in Class 5A history, which dates to 1980:

1. Midland Lee
Titles: 1998, '99, 2000

Cedric Benson rushed for 680 yards and 15 TDs in state championship games

2. Converse Judson
Titles: 1992, '93, '95

Judson would top the list if it hadn't lost state finals in 1990, '96 and '98

3. Southlake Carroll
Titles: 2002, '04

Carroll vaults to the top of the list if it avenges its only loss in last four seasons

4. Katy
Titles: 1997, 2000, 2003

No back-to-back titles, but Katy can win its fourth in nine years

5. Odessa Permian
Titles: 1980, '84, '89

Mojo peaked as Permian went 122-11-6 during the decade

Honorable mention
Lewisville: Ran Wishbone to titles in 1993 and '96

Plano: Went back-to-back in 1986-87 and won seventh state title in '94

McMahon is such a tool, he gives Plano an honorable mention for going back to back in 86-87 and winning its 7th in 94 over a list of that includes Odessa going 80 84 and 89 with 3 and 4 years apart.

I don't mind sharing the spotlight with Brownwood and Celina and I do give my props to Jusdon and SLC as well, but to classify Plano as an honorable mention shows what kind of hacks the DMN will hire.

Tim give Plano the respect it deserves the whole progam is a dynasty.

[Firebird]

I think it is a pretty good list, but I would rearrange it a little. Judson of the '90's no doubt belongs at the top. It is ridiculous to say that because they lost three games it bumps them down-- that is like saying the SF Forty niners with 5 super bowl appearances (all wins) are a better overall ball club than the Cowboys with 5 wins and 8 total appearances. Sorry, but getting to the big dance repeatadly shoots your stock up, not down.

At this point I place SLC and Judson tied at No.1, if SLC wins another title within 2 or 3 years they claim the No. 1 spot outright. Next is Permian, with their phenomenal record during the '80s, three titles, and several more appearances in the state game. Plus, Permian gets HUGE points because during most of their time as top dog, Texas crowned a true 5a state champion, rather thand divisions. Katy stays at No. 4, and Midland Lee is at 5.I put Lee at 5 because it is obvious that they merely rode one player for three years, and did not really build a dynastic program-- they haven't made much noise without Cedric, and have even missed the playoffs several times since. To me, it is more impressive to win repeatedly with different players.

I don't think that it is an insult to leave Plano out of the top 5, unfortunately, there just isn't enough space. The five on the list deserve their spots.

[toonman]

There was an earlier thread about this same subject. I repeat what I haad written on december 16th 2005, which is as follows.....

I agree with the list and Midland Lee should be there, but in reality Midland Lee was a 3-Season wonder. Did nothing before and has done nothing since. So, does not really deserve the #1 5A Dynasty of all time ranking

The other 4 have really stood the test of time, Permian in particular with a history going back to their first state title in 1965. Judson since 1983, Katy in the late 1990's and SLC through 3A in the 80's to 5A in the 2000's.

...the ranking of Dynasties should be :-

1). Judson
2). SLC
3). Permian
4). Katy
5). Midland Lee

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I am not as knowledgeable as most of you. Granted the topic is not about classification. So where does WOS fit in? Don't they get a seat at the table? Are not they worthy? I have no ties to WOS. I'm just surprised they are not metioned.

[toonman]

I am not as knowledgeable as most of you. Granted the topic is not about classification. So where does WOS fit in? Don't they get a seat at the table? Are not they worthy? I have no ties to WOS. I'm just surprised they are not metioned.

As this is a 5A Ranking printed by the Dallas Morning news and this is a 5A Forum, other classifications are not really discussed, mentioned sometimes, but not discussed. In other classifications, there are indeed dynasties, but I think all the 5A dynasties have been captured here.

[Mhs06]

Im honestly kind of surprised Midland Lee is being considered a dynasty 0_o