garland/tyler lee

[g-town07]

if garland and tyler lee end up playing in the first round this year *which all signs point to this happening again*, what do yall think will be the outcome?

[tylerleeQB11]

if garland and tyler lee end up playing in the first round this year *which all signs point to this happening again*, what do yall think will be the outcome?


cmon, its not like we dont all know the answer to that one....Lee wins by 2 touchdowns...at least!

[GarlandOwl06]

All im gonna say about this one is its gonna be a battle. Tyler Lee and Garland both are comin with some talented teams but this year the game will be played at williams baby...

[owlfan 1]

Not that looking ahead to possible matchups isn't fun, but let's get through non-district, establish a passing game under our new offensive coordinator, and move through district before we worry about Tyler Lee.

The Raiders have their own battles to fight between now and then...

[g-town07]

good call man
just wanted to thow a lil post-season dangler out there to see what would happen
but good point about being at williams
magical things happen at that place... :D

[owlfan 1]

It would be nice to play them in our house...

:cool:

[Bootsdaddy]

All im gonna say about this one is its gonna be a battle. Tyler Lee and Garland both are comin with some talented teams but this year the game will be played at williams baby...


Im assuming Williams is Garland's home stadium. How is it that playoff sites are already deternmined in June?

[NMHS fan]

Im assuming Williams is Garland's home stadium. How is it that playoff sites are already deternmined in June?

I think if you flip for game sites one year, and end up seeing the same team the following year you automatically play at the other team's place(that lost the coin toss). So all that's really being speculated on here is the likelihood of Garland and Tyler Lee meeting again. I could be wrong though... :)

[owlfan 1]

NMHS is right on the money. Lee and Garland flipped for home field last season, and Lee won the toss (and the game). Therefore, if the Owls and Raiders meet in the first round, it'll be at Williams.

Plano East and Lee had that situation a couple of years back...

[Bootsdaddy]

NMHS is right on the money. Lee and Garland flipped for home field last season, and Lee won the toss (and the game). Therefore, if the Owls and Raiders meet in the first round, it'll be at Williams.

Plano East and Lee had that situation a couple of years back...


What if they play in '06? How long does the agreement stand?

[dragonsdaddy]

it is either 3 or 4 years i think.

[Red Raiders]

I think Tyler Lee will win but I am not being disrespectful. We have always beat Garland for many years. If Garlands win, I will be upset but it will be congrats to Garland because they could reach up to Semifinals against probably Trinity. I am going to say either Garland or Tyler Lee will reach Semis.

[Bootsdaddy]

I think Tyler Lee will win but I am not being disrespectful. We have always beat Garland for many years. If Garlands win, I will be upset but it will be congrats to Garland because they could reach up to Semifinals against probably Trinity. I am going to say either Garland or Tyler Lee will reach Semis.


Two very good programs and two of Lufkin's biggest nemesis!

[stevefoxsc]

i picked lee whopes broke the tie :eek:

[farmerfan]

What if they play in '06? How long does the agreement stand?

The agreement stays in effect for 3 years, unless a team meets for a thrid consecutive year, in that case they would once again flip for a home and home or a neutral site, and the cycle would start all over once again.

[NMHS fan]

I remember when we played Plano East in the first round for three years in a row('98,'99 and '00). That got old... They won the first two, and in '00 we won 28-0. Their run through said 'Three-peat on North Mesquite'. :) That was also the year we beat Tyler Lee in a pretty good OT game. That was Derek Farmer's Sr. year I believe. We lost to The Woodlands the following week. At least we got a break the following year, and played Plano instead. :D

[dragonsdaddy]

since you lost, was it really that much of a break?

[NMHS fan]

since you lost, was it really that much of a break?

Lol, no. We only gave up three field goals and still lost the game. We were at the other end of the offensive spectrum from teams like SLC that year for sure.

[Red Raiders]

Theres no reason you should be posting this thread in the summer and Garland may not go playoff if something happen or maybe Tyler Lee will not go to playoff due to hard district so something can happen. This thread is way too early and playoff starts in November and thats exactly 5 months.

[g-town07]

eh
brainstorming never hurts

[garland04]

I think Tyler Lee will win but I am not being disrespectful. We have always beat Garland for many years. If Garlands win, I will be upset but it will be congrats to Garland because they could reach up to Semifinals against probably Trinity. I am going to say either Garland or Tyler Lee will reach Semis.

I could be wrong, but I think Tyler-Lee and Garland have only met once...1st round last year.

[GarlandOwl06]

like garland wont make the playoffs

[cougardude]

Playoff matchups? There hasn't even been a snap taken in a regular season game yet! :rolleyes:

[DemBos]

If Garland plays anything like they did against Longview in '02 then it's going to be HILARIOUS to see that game.

49-0 at halftime as I recall. Garland really came to play that one.

[GTown02]

If Garland plays anything like they did against Longview in '02 then it's going to be HILARIOUS to see that game.

49-0 at halftime as I recall. Garland really came to play that one.
I guess you went to see that game right? 45-0 was final... come back when you actualy know what your talking about.

[LoboFan07]

it is either 3 or 4 years i think.

Was just told it's 5..

Didnt know about this rule.

And yes it was 45-0 as the Final...It was 31-0 at half time.

So if Longview was to plays South Garland or North Garland..Longview would get to choose where they wanted to play? This is getting better and better.

[DemBos]

I guess you went to see that game right? 45-0 was final... come back when you actualy know what your talking about.

Yea I was at that game... I guess it just seemed like more since Malcolm Kelly scored on the first play of the game before the refs called it back.

I think the sign read "What the heck is a Lobo?"

45-0

[LoboFan07]

I think the sign read "What the heck is a Lobo?"

LMAO! I remember that sign!!! I saw that sign at the Dallas Carter game the next week also! Lmao hilarious

[GoOwls]

If Garland plays anything like they did against Longview in '02 then it's going to be HILARIOUS to see that game.

49-0 at halftime as I recall. Garland really came to play that one.

I bet you wish you could "come to play" like we do against Lufkin. (no offense against Lufkin folk, I'm just takin' care of business with what I got to work with here)

It's pretty easy to sit back and chunk rocks about one game. BTW, while we at Garland were winning 4 state titles, what have you guys done since 1937.....or is it 38.....whatever.......I'm waiting.......... :D

[LoboFan07]

Ok? So you guys have won 4 State Championships At Garland? And we only have one here at Longview.

Yea we havent won one here in 68 years but we are still one of the more successful programs in the State

We have 27 District Titles (24 outright)...We have 30 playoff appearances..We are apart of the 3rd longest rivalry in Texas HS Football History..

We have had 30 winning seasons in the pass 33 years..

We are the 47 and 97 State Finalists...We are the team that whooped up on your team 45-0...We are the team that is the 75 State Semi Finalists...We are the 02, 96, 86 State Quarterfinalist...

We are the Longview Lobos...Yea we might not have the State Titles to show how good we've been over the past 40 years..But we are successful so you can stop running your mouth about having 4 State Championships and Longview only have one.

Hell Lufkin only has one State Championship! This was their first ever 10-0 Regular Season Finish in their history!

Longview has had 8 10-0 seasons! So dont go underestimating Longview just because we dont have the State Championships to show it

[pack0808]

besides 99 when was the last state championship in garland?? i do not recall?? must have been a while ago?? yall will not let the lufkin thing go and i do not blame you?? it is something to be proud of when you beat lufkin in 2 very close games. our east texas brothers have sure gotten revenge though. both longview and tyler lee have pounded garland lately. longview in 02 when lufkin beat the lobos 3 times and tyler lee last year when lufkin beat tyler lee. garland played lufkin at the right times i guess?? that is my only explanation. garland had a great comeback vs lufkin in 99 and went on to win the state championship and beat a very good lufkin team in 03 after a panther lead for 90 percent of the game. i would have loved lufkin to play garland last year or in 2001 or in 2002 but it was not meant to be. hopefully lufkin and garland will meet next year.

[pack0808]

Ok? So you guys have won 4 State Championships At Garland? And we only have one here at Longview.

Yea we havent won one here in 68 years but we are still one of the more successful programs in the State

We have 27 District Titles (24 outright)...We have 30 playoff appearances..We are apart of the 3rd longest rivalry in Texas HS Football History..

We have had 30 winning seasons in the pass 33 years..

We are the 47 and 97 State Finalists...We are the team that whooped up on your team 45-0...We are the team that is the 75 State Semi Finalists...We are the 02, 96, 86 State Quarterfinalist...

We are the Longview Lobos...Yea we might not have the State Titles to show how good we've been over the past 40 years..But we are successful so you can stop running your mouth about having 4 State Championships and Longview only have one.

Hell Lufkin only has one State Championship! This was their first ever 10-0 Regular Season Finish in their history!

Longview has had 8 10-0 seasons! So dont go underestimating Longview just because we dont have the State Championships to show it


just so you know lobos fan lufkin leads the all time series vs longview 30-29-1 and lufkin has by far the most playoff wins. you acted like longview owned lufkin before the 9 straight wins?? lufkin is 5th all time in 5a in wins.

[GTown02]

I wouldnt call the Tyler Lee game a pounding, I mean c'mon it was very close until the 4th quarter. But the game in 02 most certainly counts as one :p

[LoboFan07]

just so you know lobos fan lufkin leads the all time series vs longview 30-29-1 and lufkin has by far the most playoff wins. you acted like longview owned lufkin before the 9 straight wins?? lufkin is 5th all time in 5a in wins.

I never said Longview owned Lufkin before the Streak...And actually the series is 31-30-4 in favor of the Pack..But before the 9 game winning streak for Lp..

Longview was 8-1-1 in the past 10 games vs Lufkin. And 14-4-2 in the past 20 games..

Ok Lufkin is 5th all time in 5A wins? Longview is 5th all time in Playoff Appearances in 5A...

[pack0808]

ok the tyler lee game was a pounding after the 4th quarter was over. ;)

[GarlandOwl06]

besides 99 when was the last state championship in garland?? i do not recall?? must have been a while ago?? yall will not let the lufkin thing go and i do not blame you?? it is something to be proud of when you beat lufkin in 2 very close games. our east texas brothers have sure gotten revenge though. both longview and tyler lee have pounded garland lately. longview in 02 when lufkin beat the lobos 3 times and tyler lee last year when lufkin beat tyler lee. garland played lufkin at the right times i guess?? that is my only explanation. garland had a great comeback vs lufkin in 99 and went on to win the state championship and beat a very good lufkin team in 03 after a panther lead for 90 percent of the game. i would have loved lufkin to play garland last year or in 2001 or in 2002 but it was not meant to be. hopefully lufkin and garland will meet next year.
I guess Pack, us Garland fans used to be a little afraid of you guys from Lufkin...but every time we play you, we beat you. So there's not too much to be afraid of anymore. And you want to talk about the Tyler Lee game from last year, well we didnt get pounded first of all. And second of all that team went on to win state and we played them as close as anyone else did. So I do hope Garland and Lufkin can meet so then we can prove again that we are the better program. Pack, on this board I've always had a lot of respect for you and the messages you post. But if you are going to start bashing Garland, then I'm losing a lot of respect for you.

[pack0808]

but for real, garland is tough!! i have nothing but respect for garland.

[pack0808]

I guess Pack, us Garland fans used to be a little afraid of you guys from Lufkin...but every time we play you, we beat you. So there's not too much to be afraid of anymore. And you want to talk about the Tyler Lee game from last year, well we didnt get pounded first of all. And second of all that team went on to win state and we played them as close as anyone else did. So I do hope Garland and Lufkin can meet so then we can prove again that we are the better program. Pack, on this board I've always had a lot of respect for you and the messages you post. But if you are going to start bashing Garland, then I'm losing a lot of respect for you.


now wait a minute!! i respect garland but you have to be kidding me on better program lately right?? i mean let those 2 head to head games go for a second with all due respect. if you go back to 98 there is no comparison between lufkin and garland. lufkin has won quadruple the playoff games at least!! lufkin has been to 1 regional finals, won a state championship and been to the state semis twice since 98. garland cannot even come close to comparing lufkin overall record since 98 or in playoff wins i promise you. i dare you to challenge me on this one?? we can go back to 95 and lufkin still wins hands down. the better program. maybe in the past but certainly not in the last 10 years in the coach outlaw era. you seem to forget that in many times in recent years that garland was beat out and lufkin did not have a chance to play them. and you seem to forget that the longview team that beat garlane 45-0 lufkin beat 3 times that same year. :eek: i do not care lose a lot of respect for me but i will gladly debate you with facts. i mean lufkin has absolutely hammered katy the last 2 games but katy has had the better program since 95 or 98 no doubt. at least i have common sense.

[wide-e-wide]

I guess Pack, us Garland fans used to be a little afraid of you guys from Lufkin...but every time we play you, we beat you. So there's not too much to be afraid of anymore. And you want to talk about the Tyler Lee game from last year, well we didnt get pounded first of all. And second of all that team went on to win state and we played them as close as anyone else did. So I do hope Garland and Lufkin can meet so then we can prove again that we are the better program. Pack, on this board I've always had a lot of respect for you and the messages you post. But if you are going to start bashing Garland, then I'm losing a lot of respect for you.


You played them as close as anyone else did?
ummmmmmmm....Lufkin beat Lee last year.
Respect gone......and I care.

[GarlandOwl06]

You played them as close as anyone else did?
ummmmmmmm....Lufkin beat Lee last year.
Respect gone......and I care.

Playoffs moron.

[wide-e-wide]

Your mother's a moron.
And the fact remains...Lufkin beat Lee
and Lee beat the brakes off of Garland.
any questions?

[GarlandOwl06]

Pack, Garland goes to the playoffs every year, just like Lufkin does. Garland wins/competes for their district championship every year, just like Lufkin does. Last year Garland lost in the playoffs to the state champ in their reigon, just like Lufkin did. Garland has won a state champ. in the last 10 years, just like Lufkin has. Garland has beat Lufkin the last 2 times theyve played...you finish it. Those are my facts.

[GarlandOwl06]

Your mother's a moron.
And the fact remains...Lufkin beat Lee
and Lee beat the brakes off of Garland.
any questions?

Were you at the Lee/Garland game wide?? You can ask the people that were there if they "beat the brakes" off of Garland.

[wide-e-wide]

No but I can read a freakin' newspaper...
And the undisputed facts of this whole thing are...
Lufkin beat Lee....
and Garland lost to Lee right?
Well friend...that would have been enough..but you
said Garland played them as close as anybody did the
whole year....didn't you?
Boy I bet you wish you could delete that dumb statement.

Go back and re-think your post...and then get back to me.
And then we can go over who is the moron and who is the genius.

[GarlandOwl06]

I didnt say all year. I said in the playoffs. After Lee beat us they won the next 3 weeks by 3 touchdowns. We played them in a tough, hardfought game. And again, you werent there so you really wouldnt know.

[pack0808]

here we go with the facts just like i promised you!! please get over those 2 games it seems like that is all you hold onto. lets go by the overall facts!!

i went back to 98 like i said i would!!

lufkin is 20-6 in the playoffs since 98 and garland is 7-5 :eek: that is 13 more wins for lufkin in the playoffs since 98 if you are doing the math at home.

lufkin 98 3-1 regional finals lost to lake highlands 17-14. garland 0-1 lost to lake highlands in the 1st round 40-14!! :eek:

lufkin 99 1-1 lost to garland 26-20 garland 99 6-0 beat katy for state championship

lufkin 00 2-1 beat allen 43-16 garland 00 0-1 lost to allen in 1st round 21-20 :eek:

lufkin 01 6-0 beat westlake for championship garland 01 no playoffs!! :eek:

02 lufkin 4-1 state semi appearance beat longview 3 times garland 02 0-1 lost to longview in the1st round 45-0 :eek:

03 lufkin 0-1 lost to garland 19-10 garland 03 1-1

04 lufkin 4-1 state semi appearance lufkin beat tyler lee garland 04 0-1 lost to tyler lee by over 2 td's at least??


so lufkin has by far the most playoff wins since 98 but yes garland has won the head to head 2-0 but it is obvious if lufkin would have played garland in 98, 00,01, 02, and 04 the series would be 5-2. it is not lufkin's fault garland got blown out before they met the panthers in those years is it??

[wide-e-wide]

Just re-read your post...You said "we played them as close as anybody
else did" You did not specify when...nor did you say in the playoffs...you said
as close as anybody else did...go read your own words dude.

I wasn't there in '86 when Buckner let the ball roll between his legs and
the Mets won...But you better believe I know it happened.

[wide-e-wide]

What's taking you so long?
Did you have to go back and read your own words?

[GarlandOwl06]

[QUOTE=pack0808]
lufkin 99 1-1 lost to garland 26-20 garland 99 6-0 beat katy for state championship


03 lufkin 0-1 lost to garland 19-10 garland 03 1-1

Thats all I care about right there. ;)
2-0 against you guys no matter what.

[GarlandOwl06]

wow great analogy wide i mean i guess.


Pack dont try to pull out all these stats to try and make yourself feel better about not being able to beat garland. I mean you sit here and say if we would have played you in 98 00 and if if if well i could sit here and say if we played you in 63 or 64 we would have beat you too...but hey you had your shot twice and couldnt beat us. Just face it

[GarlandOwl06]

Ok wide, no matter what i said, I meant to say playoffs. I know thats what I said but its ok. I understand that yall beat them last year, that was very early in the year but congrats anyways. We beat yall every time we play. We all have our bragging rights dont we?

[dragons08]

but doesnt it matter what you have done lately? not awhile back and to me it looks like lufkin has had more succes lately

[GarlandOwl06]

I'm not saying that Lufkin hasnt been very succesful, they certainly have. I have a ton of respect for the program. But to sit here and say that Garland was pounded all day by Tyler Lee is just not true. And its very tough to be great in the playoffs every year when you play a really hard distrcit year after year. I mean, we played the state champs in the first round, no shame in losing to champions IMO.

[pack0808]

yeah that is what i thought!! typical weak *** argument from a person that said garland had the better program then lufkin lately but cannot back it up with facts. did you see how many times garland got destroyed by teams lufkin beat in the playoffs in those years?? did you comprehend that lufkin has had 13 more playoff wins since 98!! :eek: that is a lot!! hey like i said lufkin is 2-0 vs katy with 2 blowout wins since 98 unlike garland's 2 very close wins vs lufkin and katy is still have been the best program then lufkin by a decent stretch. i can admit it why cant you?? it just does not make sense?? again, it is not lufkin's fault garland got beat and in most cases blow out by teams that lufkin beat in 98,00,01,02, 04. is it?? oh i am sorry garland did not make the playoffs in 01 when lufkin won it all so i cannot count that one. ;)

[GarlandOwl06]

Pack, Garland goes to the playoffs every year, just like Lufkin does. Garland wins/competes for their district championship every year, just like Lufkin does. Last year Garland lost in the playoffs to the state champ in their reigon, just like Lufkin did. Garland has won a state champ. in the last 10 years, just like Lufkin has. Garland has beat Lufkin the last 2 times theyve played...you finish it. Those are my facts.

There it is again Pack.

[pack0808]

again, i did not mean for this to start. i respect garland and i know they are capable of upsetting anybody in most years but come on. you knew i was going to come out with the facts when you said better program lately. it is only fair!!

[pack0808]

There it is again Pack.


not every year lately garland. it seems garland missed out on the playoff festivities in 01 when lufkin won the div2 title. ;)

[wide-e-wide]

No shame in losing to the state champs.
And no shame in admitting that Lufkin beat them.
And regardless if it was early in the season...we beat them.
You said you played them as close as anybody...

Pack0808 and I grew up together...I've known him about 25 years now.
We were best friends all the way through school....I just had to have
his back...that's all.

I think you learned your lesson for the evening. That is all...carry on.

[GarlandOwl06]

OK I guess you kind of have a point. But who do yall play in the first round every year? Yall are a great program, dont get me wrong. However, make the drive to Williams stadium and you will see 4 state championship trophies in the field house.

[wide-e-wide]

I'll give you that...
We usually play Waco or Killeen in the first round...
But up until last year...we played Longview twice and Lee twice...during the regular season so I think Lufkin deserved an easier game in the first round.

[pack0808]

and speaking of no shame in losing to the state champs or teams that made the finals or beating them even. check this out!

99 lufkin lost to eventual div2 champs garland 26-20
00 lufkin beat johntyler the eventual div2 finalist
01 lufkin won state championship
02 lost to eventual div2 state champs slc 33-30
03 beat eventual div2 state champs katy 35-14
04 beat eventual div1 champs tyler lee 43-33 lost to eventual div2 champs slc 37-30

now that is pretty scary!! :eek:

[pack0808]

I'll give you that...
We usually play Waco or Killeen in the first round...
But up until last year...we played Longview twice and Lee twice...during the regular season so I think Lufkin deserved an easier game in the first round.


waco is not a walk in the park 1st round game for anybody.

[wide-e-wide]

and speaking of no shame in losing to the state champs or teams that made the finals or beating them even. check this out!

99 lufkin lost to eventual div2 champs garland 26-20
00 lufkin beat johntyler the eventual div2 finalist
01 lufkin won state championship
02 lost to eventual div2 state champs slc 33-30
03 beat eventual div2 state champs katy 35-14
04 beat eventual div1 champs tyler lee 43-33 lost to eventual div2 champs slc 37-30

now that is pretty scary!! :eek:

Oh my goodness...Garland we have a problem....
Garland are you still there?
Your breakin' up....can you hear me now?

Can you hear me now?........can you hear me now?
Pack....I think he's gone.

[wide-e-wide]

waco is not a walk in the park 1st round game for anybody.

I beg to differ....the Longhorns play in Waco and usually win
by at least half a hundred...oh...my bad you meant HS huh?

[wide-e-wide]

wow...didn't know I was up that late last night.

[garlandowl08]

All i know is within the next few years, Garland will win state because we have one of the best groups of people coming up (going to be in 9th grade this year) who have lost less than 10 games since 2nd grade. Hopefully we will go undefeated two years in a row...I can only wait and dream. then maybe lufkin will not have the better program (i think they have a more successful program maybe, but i have my reervations on better, but i am biased)

[LoboFan07]

Didnt you guys say that in 2002 that you were going to win State...? HMM

[GTown02]

Wow haha I leave for a little while and BAM two more pages on this thread alone...
You cant compare Garland and Lufkin... so what we have beat them a few times and that makes us better? C'mon we havent made it past the second round since 99 right? Its just absurd to say Garland is the better of the two teams lately....

and we did play Tyler Lee close... wasn't it 14-10 going into the 4th? Pretty close if you ask me... but Garland ran outta steam ;)

[garlandowl08]

Didnt you guys say that in 2002 that you were going to win State...? HMM

Hey last football season was my first in like 4 years (older brother in the band=go to every home game and 99 state game) so i didnt follow it closely until i was a fish (last year) so i never said we're sposed to win state in 02

[GoOwls]

I know it's kind of late in the argument, but let me offer an idea. I think that both sides have valid arguments, but neither side has expressed it very well while sounding like homers.

Garland is a money team. When all things go right, they are 4-1 in title games and have won the last 4 in a row. It's an undeniable fact, they alone have won almost as many state titles as the east Texas schools (Lufkin, Longview, TJT, and Tyler Lee) in question have won. Take out TJT, who has been down lately, and Garland HAS won more money games that the other 3 combined. Problem is, Garland doesn't get to the big game very often. Too many years of playoff 1 or 2 and outs.

Overall, the argument that Garland is a BETTER program is just not plausable. The East Texas schools are vastly more superior at moving past the early rounds and getting deeper in the playoffs. Year in and year out, those schools go deeper and Garland goes to sleep.

Is it talent, no, Garland puts at least 7 or 8 kids in college each year and at least 4 go Div.1. I remember about 3 years ago, I saw where Garland had put 91 players in college in 10 years, and it hasn't slowed down. There is at least 8 going from last year.

The difference I see is the difference between "big city", "suburban", and "small town" kids. Kids from the ET schools still have that "us against them" city pride. They are the knights defending their city from the pillaging horde from the other town and the battle will be fought on the local football field. It just means more to those kids and even if their talent is inferior, they will find a way to win, to stop the invading horde. Suburban kids may have as much talent, but they have more distractions and city boundries mean less because you wouldn't know you left a city unless there was a sign to tell you so. In Garland, we have 7 teams and many of these kids went to school together and now play on different HS teams. It can be kind of tough to bust your buddy across the chops. I also feel that suburban kids may have more home problem than country kids and they tend to wear their emotions on their sleves, and this can be costly in a big game where you can play yourself outof it because you can't keep your composure and loose your charachter. This is magnified in big city kids where life tends to be even tougher and drivebys are thing of everyday life. They just don't have the focus, and because survival of the fittest is the mindset, that lifestyle isn't conducive to making team players, which are necessary for team sport success.

I hope everyone realizes that I'm speaking in generalities. However, how many big city schools win state nowadays? Rarely if at all. Suburban schools that have good organization and good parental support and good coaching do well. Rarely do you see small town schools that do not perform well, after they have established a winning tradition.

In summary, Garland is a money team that brings home the bacon in the big games. The ET schools, win more games, win more playoff games, and in general are more respected for this dominance, but for what ever reason, have trouble winning the big one, by comparison. In the NFL, we measure success by SuperBowl victories. Do we remember Minnesota or Buffalo losing 4, or Dallas or San Francisco winning 5. There is no question that Dallas and SF are more respected franchises.

The East Texas schools are BETTER programs.
Garland is a more SUCCESSFUL program.

JMHO

[garlandowl08]

well effing put

[owlfan 1]

I'm late, too, but I must chime in...

To say that GHS is superior or even on the same level as Lufkin is really pushing it. Please bear with me as I make my case.

1999: Lufkin was an up and coming team, having had a pretty good playoff run and trying to cement their place among the top programs in the state. With Reggie starting as a sophomore, many expected the Pack to go deep in the playoffs.

Garland was the "mystery guest"; a team with a history of playoff flameouts and missed chances. Many very, very good Owl teams got beat in the first round- in '96, Lake Highlands and Garland played in a warlike affair, with LH squeaking out an 8-0 win. The Wildcats went all the way to the state semis. In '97, GHS played JT close, losing to CUJO 14-3. '98 ended with a sickening 44-14 shellacking at the hands of the hated LH Wildcats; a game Garland led at the half before a complete and total collapse in which the Owls lost their composure.

Lufkin and Garland played a wonderful game - a game with several momentum shifts, lead changes, and controversial plays. Garland won, but Lufkin could have. Had the Pack prevailed, they likely would have played Katy for the title.

2000-2002: Lufkin got better and better, winning a title, going deep in the playoffs each year, and proving themselves to be among the top 5 elite programs in the state.

Garland floundered, losing to Allen in 2000 in the first round after spending much of the year ranked #1 in the state, missing the playoffs completely in a horrific '01 season, and getting humiliated by Longview in '02.

2003: No one - not any clear thinking Owl fan, Lufkin supporter, or statewide observer, thought Garland would stay within 21 points of Lufkin. The players believed, as did the coaches, but even coach Jordan told everyone that in order to win, the Owls would have to play the best they had in two years.

Garland played like their lives depended on it. Maybe the Pack took them lightly; perhaps internal strife took its toll. Whatever the case, the Owls upset Lufkin in a game that sent shockwaves across the state.

The following week, Garland faced Allen, and in a classic battle (played in a wind tunnell), the Owls lost to their former coach, 34-31 in OT.

Last year, once again the Owls succumbed in the first round to a very good team while Lufkin rolled deep into the playoffs.

Lufkin has had much more success in the past 10 years than Garland has, even including the '99 championship. The Owls have just not done it in the playoffs. Yes, they play tough teams each year. Yes, they ususally fight hard in those games. But, when the brackets get smaller and the Christmas decorations go up, the Owls are usually bouncing basketballs while the Pack is getting ready to play football

When we Garland fans want to generate respect, we like to point to the fact that, in their last two meetings, the Owls have beaten Lufkin. To me, that means Lufkin is the measuring stick and that we would love to have the kind of success Lufkin has enjoyed in the past ten years.

That said, Lufkin would probably like to be able to say that they have four titles in their history. Garland has been good for a long time, with flashes of greatness along the way. For now, Lufkin is on top.

Coach Outlaw said that Garland has one of the top programs in the state, year in and year out, and he is right. But his program is an elite one. Garland is not. Good? Yes. Better than most? Probably. But elite? Not yet.

We shall see what this year will bring.

Thanks for putting up with my rambling...

[GTown02]

Excellent post Owlfan! :)

[pack4life]

It means a lot to this panther fan to receive the respect from such a great program such as Garland. Yall are a very good program, and you said what you said, with basically an unbiased opinion on the whole ordeal. Excellent posts!

[pack0808]

was a great post and yes lufkin would like to say they had 4 titles. :) garland is a team i respect as much as any.

[raidercheerdad]

and we did play Tyler Lee close... wasn't it 14-10 going into the 4th? Pretty close if you ask me... but Garland ran outta steam ;)I told everyone I talked to about that game, that I thought Garland was the best team we played on the state run last year. I was most impressed w/the running back -- don't recall his name. All we did from that point was build momentum. As long as he was a senior, I think we'll have a chance, should we meet again!

[pack0808]

you mean the best you played in the playoffs right raidercheerdad. ;) did you think garland was better then westfield last year??

[GarlandOwl06]

Good posts guys, I do have a ton of respect for the Lufkin program as well. Just making a little summer conversation til fall is upon us! ;)

[Red Raiders]

you mean the best you played in the playoffs right raidercheerdad. ;) did you think garland was better then westfield last year??

No Way! Westfield would have killed Garland last year but I think Garland was very good though.

[GarlandOwl06]

im guessin you are referring to darius borters as the running back you were impressed with (number 4) raidercheerdad..... but our rb next year is way better

[wide-e-wide]

Everybody's running back the next year is better...Until he
graduates. Then it's "oh but so and so is even better"
Boy does that get old.

[GarlandOwl06]

I guess wide im gettin a little tired of you..... our rb last year went to northwest oklahoma while our rb for next year has already gotten scholarship offers from texas tech, iowa state, washington, mississippi state, smu, baylor so i think its safe to say he is way better

[wide-e-wide]

Talk to me in December.
That's when you'll be telling us how much better
your running back for next year is....
It's a proven fact, everybody does it.

[garlandowl08]

yeah, but we're not lying...

[GoOwls]

Hey Wide, I gotta step up for the kids this time. Last years "horse" was a 5'8" 170 lb. overachiever (read caucasian) with no lateral moves. The Bortters kid had explosiveness, but was very inconsistant and carried the ball a little loose. In reality, we had a RB by committee offense with the main rusher having only about 600 yards. The offense, or lack thereof, was the main shortcoming in the Lee game. Our line was too small to open holes for our smallish, inconsistent, and downright untalented RB corp. It WAS our downfall. This year the line is more experienced and a bit, but not much bigger. Our go to guy is Donta Sloan. He showed real sparks last year and, for the life of me, I couldn't figure out why he wasn't the lead runner all year. I think they learned their lesson, and say they are going to feature him at RB this year. So when the guys from Garland are looking forward to a better RB this year, they are right.....in theory anyway......we'll see what he's got....like you said. (but it can't be much worse.) :D

[GarlandOwl06]

Good post GoOwls, its all true.