MLB - Cheats and the Record Book

[15Adragon]

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/04/29/2009-04-29_arod_on_roids_for_years_new_book_claims_juiced_ with_yanks__even_as_a_teen_source.html

With more and more stuff about roids in the once great game of baseball, what do you do with the record book?

Do you drop Bonds, Sosa, A-Roid, etc...? Keep Griffey? The record book has always been a way to tie baseball players from the past to the ones today.

[tayb]

Who is to say Ken Griffey is clean? I have a hard time believing a lot of power hitters from the past decade are clean. Some aren't as popular as others and it just isn't as fun to claim they did 'roids but I'm not buying it for Griffey, Ortiz, and others. The game has been tainted from steroids I don't know that there is much you can do with the record books besides put the numbers in there.

[15Adragon]

Who is to say Ken Griffey is clean? I have a hard time believing a lot of power hitters from the past decade are clean. Some aren't as popular as others and it just isn't as fun to claim they did 'roids but I'm not buying it for Griffey, Ortiz, and others. The game has been tainted from steroids I don't know that there is much you can do with the record books besides put the numbers in there.

Josh Hamilton is quite a story of personal and professional redemption. At his age it will be difficult to post big numbers for his career.

The roids are have really messed this up. The union and owners have really messed this game up. It could take a lot more Hamiltons and other to bring this back.

[pied]

Hard to exclude some of those guys I would think when steroids were not a banned substance during much of that time.

[SLC93]

I won't go completely off on this subject. I've stated my opinion quite clearly on several thread in the past regarding this topic. I will summarize, though.

1) To the media, spare me the moral outrage. You were all there, in the press boxes and locker rooms. You all bore witness to what was going on. The vast majority did not say a word for 15 years. You have no basis, what so ever to take the high ground now.
2) Ditto for all ownership and management
3) Ditto to all fans except for children who couldnt know better
4) Baseball is a cheaters sport. It is their culture and has been for over a century.

I could go on but i wont.

[15Adragon]

Hard to exclude some of those guys I would think when steroids were not a banned substance during much of that time.

Ultimate headache. The record book is more important to baseball than any of the other sports and it has lost some of its stature.

This impacts the HOF as well. Who gets in who doesn't...

[15Adragon]

I won't go completely off on this subject. I've stated my opinion quite clearly on several thread in the past regarding this topic. I will summarize, though.

1) To the media, spare me the moral outrage. You were all there, in the press boxes and locker rooms. You all bore witness to what was going on. The vast majority did not say a word for 15 years. You have no basis, what so ever to take the high ground now.
2) Ditto for all ownership and management
3) Ditto to all fans except for children who couldnt know better
4) Baseball is a cheaters sport. It is their culture and has been for over a century.

I could go on but i wont.

Interesting take... Gaylord Perry with the cream on his hat, the spitter, scuffing the ball...

[SLC93]

Interesting take... Gaylord Perry with the cream on his hat, the spitter, scuffing the ball...

Go all the way back to Ty Cobb's sharp spike, corking bats, scuffing balls, taking speed .... whatever ..... it's been there since the beginings of the sport and, like fighting in hockey, has been embraced through time by all as boys being boys. Well, the boys of this generation have alot more at their finger tips and took it another direction. I'm not saying it was right but NOBODY said anything for over a decade when the obvious answer was staring them in the face. We have hundreds of years of science to tell us how things evolve. It's a sloooooow process. When you don't have a 50 hr guy for 2-3 decades and all of sudden 4-10 guys a year are doing it, there's your answer. Utility guys, .250 career hitters all knocking it dead. Guys getting better as they get older on every team. Whatever ..... This whole era was condone, consciously or not, by the vast majority of this country. I'm sick of hearing all the outrage. There all rules in place now. move forward. Retroactive is bs, period.

[Slim-Rob]

Who is to say Ken Griffey is clean? I have a hard time believing a lot of power hitters from the past decade are clean. Some aren't as popular as others and it just isn't as fun to claim they did 'roids but I'm not buying it for Griffey, Ortiz, and others. The game has been tainted from steroids I don't know that there is much you can do with the record books besides put the numbers in there.



^^^he said taint :D