UIL Realignment: What is known in Class 5A (TPX Article)

[ktchamp97]

The 2006 Realignment is just around the corner and many people are wondering who's moving up, who's moving down, and who's staying put. Well, the guys over at TexasPrepXtra have put together a fantastic article detailing that very subject. Read their article to get the skinny...

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UIL Realignment: What is Known in Class 5A (http://texasprepxtra.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=490531)
Alan Zepeda, Matt Diggs, and Matt Stepp

Yes it is that time of year when we all take a look at the bi-annual UIL realignment and it's ramifications for each district and part of the state. Though guessing exactly how the districts will look like is a useless exercise in futility, it is just darn fun. However for this installment we will be talking about what we know and don't know about teams moving up or down. Before we begin these are our numbers for all the teams we figured to be swing schools, within +/- 200 of the 2000 mark. The schools outside of that range we did not solicit enrollment numbers for except for a few schools that had shown a marked increase in enrollment in the past year

THE NEW SCHOOLS
We researched and our research shows that 15 new schools are opening up and will be playing UIL varsity level football. Quite a few schools are also opening up but will not field a varsity team this time but will in two years. Joining the 5A ranks are the following teams
Converse Wagner 2200
San Antonio Stevens 2650
Katy Morton Ranch 2660
The Woodlands College Park 2603
Humble Atascosita 2000+

Quite a few big name schools being split up this year and some big new additions in those districts. The coaches of these teams are also familiar names with Richard Carson (Eisenhower) the first coach at College Park and Jim Shewmake (Haltom, Lake Travis) at Morton Ranch. No doubt other familiar names will appear at the other new schools.

OPTING UP OR DOWN?
This year the UIL has told several districts that there will not be a waiver given to schools to opt a team to a higher classification. The only exception, according to the UIL, is for a school district that has more than eight schools or if a there is some severe driving miles involved.

Opting Up
Fort Bend ISD- Willowridge did not turn in 5A numbers but Willowridge will be opted up to 5A

Corpus Christi ISD- Our current projections show Moody(1960) and Miller (1371) not making 5A's cutoff. CCISD has decided not to opt their teams up because of the large number of Corpus Christi area teams in 4A.

Laredo ISD- Martin turned in 1945 and Cigarroa turned in 1708, neither have 5A numbers. Laredo ISD confirmed that they would like to opt these teams up however the UIL has not indicated whether they will allow Laredo ISD to opt their schools up. We do think that the UIL will allow the Laredo schools to opt up.

Laredo United ISD- Johnson turned in 1528 but UISD has asked for them to be opted up. According to an official in the AD's office "the UIL initially said that their would be no waiver allowed, however in October they softened their stance". As previously said we believe that the UIL will allow the Laredo schools opt up into 5A.

Dallas ISD- they will opt up Dallas Carter to keep them in 5A.

4A TEAMS WHO WILL RISE TO 5A- some of the schools that were new in 2004 have grown and are now full fledged 5A schools while Klein Oak, who dropped down because of being split, is now back to 5A numbers. Other schools have just grown and are now 5A such as two more valley schools in Lopez and Memorial.
2370 - Keller Central
2361 - El Paso El Dorado
2300 - Klein Oak
2246.5 - Wylie
2216.0 - Justin Northwest
2183 - Brownsville Lopez
2168 - Lewisville Hebron
2104.5 - Channelview
2072 - Mansfield Timberview
2040 - PSJA Memorial
2180+ - Houston Westbury


5A TEAMS MOVING TO 4A- Researching this was fun. some of this was easy to figure out such as a small 5A school splitting in half, you know they will go 4A, others was a bit more difficult to track down but we found them. Every team under 2200 enrollment last time was contacted or we tried to contact them. So here are the teams that are on the move on our current projections and you can bank these. Check out the Centex trio moving to 4A in Copperas Cove, Belton and Waco. Those three along with the others will make 4A very very strong in 2006.

1960 - Corpus Christi Moody
1959.5 - Copperas Cove
1946 - Belton
1921.5 - Keller Fossil Ridge
1919 - Austin Crockett
1908 - Buda Hays
1863 - Denton Ryan
1860 - Houston Austin
1850 - Eagle Pass
1850 - San Antonio Jefferson
1843 - Huntsville
1831 - Waco
1808 - Dallas Samuell
1805.5 - Saginaw Boswell
1755 - Schertz Clemens
1371 - CC Miller

NEW SCHOOLS OPENING UP IN 4A- These are the new kids on the block, without the bad haircuts and dance moves, with some impressive credentials from areas that have had recent success such as Katy, Schertz, and Denton.
Eagle Pass Winn
Katy Seven Lakes
Buda Lehman
Schertz Steele
Denton Guyer
Frisco Liberty
Saginaw High
McKinney Boyd
Rockwall Heath

4A TEAMS THAT ALMOST MADE IT TO 5A- close but no cigar for these teams who will be happy that they are the biggest teams in 4A.
1975 - Dallas Highland Park- missed it by one
1974 - EP Andress
1961.5- EP Del VAlle
1952 - Palo Duro
1949 - EP Ysleta
1943 - Boerne
1931.5- Midway
1929 - Arlington Seguin
1925 - Cedar Park Vista Ridge
1915 - Mission
1911.5- San Antonio Harlandale
1911 - Waxahachie

As you can see there will be some big changes in 5A with the biggest coming in South Texas with Corpus Christi opting to let their two smallest schools go to 4A. So what does that mean for the redistricting? Well expect a new district perhaps in the Houston Area and maybe the consolidation of a couple of smaller district elsewhere to create another district perhaps in the Dallas Area. The age of consolidation is here for Class 5A and that means bigger districts especially with four teams now being playoff eligible.


Again, special thanks to TexasPrepXtra (http://texasprepxtra.rivals.com) for allowing us to post their article here. Those guys do a great job and we don't mind telling you that!

[Red Raiders]

Wow! Very Interesting Topic! (Seriously). Amazing that The Woodlands College Park got new school and still at large with 2600 students. No Fair that yall get new schools!!! We shall get it soon if our tax rate goes up because right now is like the lowest in Texas and plus they been paying alot very smart students to go private schools. Just ashame that we don't get new school because of just some stupid tax and no money. Anyways, dang I wish Highland Park go to 5A to play against Southlake Carroll in the same district since Denton Ryan going down to 4A.

I saw that Moody with 1371 students?! That is ridiculous and that should be in 3A or something like that.

Anyways, Texasprepxtra sure did a great job reporting stuff on here! It was very interesting article for next year.

[BAMF cowboy]

coincedence that HP missed it by one?

[Red Raiders]

coincedence that HP missed it by one?

Yep very gay by 1 students? how awful...

[KT2000]

Based on this information, and the way this last season went I can tell our pre-season stuff for next year is going to look very different. It'll be a lot of fun as always. Prelim research already underway. What's off-season?

[bubbacoach]

This is assuming the number is set at 2000. I think it will be a little higher than this. At least this is what I hear.

[ktchamp97]

This is assuming the number is set at 2000. I think it will be a little higher than this. At least this is what I hear.

They did make the statement that this research was done based on a cutoff between 1800 and 2200. Does that go high enough to jive with what you're hearing?

[dragonfootballfan]

This is assuming the number is set at 2000. I think it will be a little higher than this. At least this is what I hear.
The number may drop this year, for the first time that I can remember. The UIL will probably want to make all the districts atleast 8 teams large and maybe even bigger because of the four teams making the playoffs.

[badger95]

Two years ago the number was 1925. Do you realy think they will increase the number by that much, all the way to 2000? Doesn't seem likely.

[RidgePride]

Good to see Ridge going to 4A next year. Our team was so young. We only lost 4 true starters on Defense.

We should go a several rounds in the playoffs next year.

We had to play big school in the playoffs this year with about 1920 students.

[ktchamp97]

The UIL has said that there will be 245 teams in 5A next year. That means that more teams will be in the playoffs than not, which is a crock. There would need to be 256 teams in order to have 32 8 team districts, or the equivalent.

[dragonfootballfan]

Has their ever been a team move down in classification and win a championship in their first year in that class?

[ktchamp97]

Two years ago the number was 1925. Do you realy think they will increase the number by that much, all the way to 2000? Doesn't seem likely.

Again, the way I am reading it, this statement is the key:

Before we begin these are our numbers for all the teams we figured to be swing schools, within +/- 200 of the 2000 mark. The schools outside of that range we did not solicit enrollment numbers for except for a few schools that had shown a marked increase in enrollment in the past year

Using that criteria, they identified 5 new schools joining 5A to go along with 11 that are moving up. At the same time, their criteria has identified 16 schools that are moving down...thus resulting in 0 net change, which agrees with the assumption that there will be 245 schools in 5A.

[FootballJunkie]

Again, the way I am reading it, this statement is the key:



Using that criteria, they identified 5 new schools joining 5A to go along with 11 that are moving up. At the same time, their criteria has identified 16 schools that are moving down...thus resulting in 0 net change, which agrees with the assumption that there will be 245 schools in 5A.


Would be good if they were using updated numbers instead of the 2 year old numbers. Why would they do that??

[SLCDad]

Has their ever been a team move down in classification and win a championship in their first year in that class?Yes, I believe so. When Colleyville Heritage HS opened, Grapevine HS moved down to 4A. They let all of the seniors choose which HS they wanted to attend even if they were in the Colleyville Heritage boundaries. About 95% of the seniors chose Grapevine. As a result, the senior class at Grapevine was HUGE, about twice the size of the other classes.

They had a great running back (I don't recall his name). His family moved out of the school district but he moved in with a relative so he could finish his HS career at Grapevine.

Grapevine won the title that year (1996).

[desotoeaglesgrad]

Denison also won state in 1984 when they moved from 5A to 4A.

[supercentex]

I'm going to miss Waco High being in 5-A.....but, with the drop in numbers and talent I think we'll be better off in 4-A....and it will help boost the fan numbers. We will still play a 5-A non-district schedule.........I do know that Midland High is one of our opponents next year.

[Primetime536]

I'm going to miss Waco High being in 5-A.....but, with the drop in numbers and talent I think we'll be better off in 4-A....and it will help boost the fan numbers. We will still play a 5-A non-district schedule.........I do know that Midland High is one of our opponents next year.
How do teams get around moving down to 4-A. Like carter why are they in 5a?

[supercentex]

The only way is if travel is a problem...or you are in a school district with tons of high schools. Carter is the only school that elects to stay up.....Kimball used to ....but when the rule changed....they dropped....along with Houston Yates.....and a few other schools.

[BandidoNB]

The UIL has said that there will be 245 teams in 5A next year. That means that more teams will be in the playoffs than not, which is a crock. There would need to be 256 teams in order to have 32 8 team districts, or the equivalent.

Where did you hear that the UIL was only admitting 245 5A schools next year? Or are you basing the assumption on the fact that the website only estimated 245 schools to be in 5A next year?

[chap fan]

I still see room for UIL to basically cut a district out of central Texas to make more room for Dallas and Houston area schools in Region II. Austin Anderson also looked to me like it lacked the numbers to sustain 5A classification and Round Rock HS looked very questionable. With Hays and Clemens dropping down to 4A, and some teams like San Marcos and New Braunfels probably on the bubble, I wouldn't be surprised to see UIL pull Austin High, Westlake, Bowie, and Bastrop south and reshuffle the San Antonio area districts to absorb us.

[BandidoNB]

Assuming the UIL keeps only 245 5A schools, this is how I see the SA area...


25-5A

Bastrop
Smithson Valley
Seguin
San Marcos
Victoria Memorial
SA East Central
SA Highlands
SA Southwest

26-5A

Converse Judson
SA Wagner
SA MacArthur
SA Madison
SA Lee
SA Churchill
SA Reagan
SA Roosevelt

27-5A

SA Clark
SA Holmes
SA Taft
SA Marshall
SA O'Connor
SA Warren
SA Stevens
SA Jay

[dragons08]

coincedence that HP missed it by one?
im kind of new to this stuff (as most of you know) so whats the deal with HP like you mentioned? do they always seem to "shrink" come realignment time?

[BAMF cowboy]

im kind of new to this stuff (as most of you know) so whats the deal with HP like you mentioned? do they always seem to "shrink" come realignment time?

there's an ongoing 'joke' i guess you could call it that UIL sets the cut off mark just above HP's so they can continue to stay 4A. For years we've wanted to see HP with the big dogs, but somehow they always miss the cut-off...sometimes by one...im not buying it

[SeguinMatadors]

Assuming the UIL keeps only 245 5A schools, this is how I see the SA area...


25-5A

Bastrop
Smithson Valley
Seguin
San Marcos
Victoria Memorial
SA East Central
SA Highlands
SA Southwest


Another district that is just 3 teams deep for my Mats..:confused:

[BandidoNB]

Actually, this 25-5A would probably be more stacked than you think. Victoria Memorial is supposed to be improved for next year and Bastrop made the 5A playoffs out of the Austin 5A district. Thats five of the eight teams having made the playoffs the previous year.

[badger95]

Actually, this 25-5A would probably be more stacked than you think. Victoria Memorial is supposed to be improved for next year and Bastrop made the 5A playoffs out of the Austin 5A district. Thats five of the eight teams having made the playoffs the previous year.

I like the move of Victoria into that district, but that will leave the Corpus district very small, especially if Miller and Moody go down to 4a.

I think this is a very viable district except for the possibility of Del Valle moving up to 5A. Their proximity to Bastrop and their long-standing rivalry would be hard to break up.

You might see Bastrop and Georgetown move over to the district with A&M and Bryan since Waco will likely go down and Cove might as well.

[BandidoNB]

What is Austin Del Valle's enrollment? I wasnt aware that they were close to 5A numbers.

As far as the Corpus Christi 5A schools go, there was a realignment a while back where they were grouped with the Harlingen schools. Just an idea.

[Rerun]

Little birdie told me South San(4A) and West Campus(3A) are going to be consolidating and that will give them 1 school, with 5A numbers.

Not fact, just rumor at this point but I think it will happen.

Just my opinion.

:)

[bubbacoach]

The UIL is very screwy. The formula they use to calculate numbers is hard to figure. They are talking about expanding the 5A districts. To me this would mean they would have to make the number smaller, so that they could add more schools. If the rumor that is floating around the coaching circle is true and they are talking about making district 9 to 10 teams deep, they will have to add quite a few schools to the 5A ranks or make fewer districts ( I am almost positive they will not do this). It will be interesting and noone will know for sure, until they release their ingenius plan in Febuary.

[farmerfan]

Yes, I believe so. When Colleyville Heritage HS opened, Grapevine HS moved down to 4A. They let all of the seniors choose which HS they wanted to attend even if they were in the Colleyville Heritage boundaries. About 95% of the seniors chose Grapevine. As a result, the senior class at Grapevine was HUGE, about twice the size of the other classes.

They had a great running back (I don't recall his name). His family moved out of the school district but he moved in with a relative so he could finish his HS career at Grapevine.

Grapevine won the title that year (1996).

You are correct. The name you are thinking of is Tellus Redman. He moved in and lived with WR Jack Brewer who was also his cousin. Grapevine actually thought they could beat us that year. It was pretty funny to see them or hear them around the metroplex over the christmas break that year.

[badger95]

Assuming the UIL keeps only 245 5A schools, this is how I see the SA area...


25-5A

Bastrop
Smithson Valley
Seguin
San Marcos
Victoria Memorial
SA East Central
SA Highlands
SA Southwest

26-5A

Converse Judson
SA Wagner
SA MacArthur
SA Madison
SA Lee
SA Churchill
SA Reagan
SA Roosevelt

27-5A

SA Clark
SA Holmes
SA Taft
SA Marshall
SA O'Connor
SA Warren
SA Stevens
SA Jay

I think 26 and 27 is right on and obvious, but I think 25 will end up like this:

Smithson Valley
San Marcos
Seguin
Westlake
Austin SFA
Austin Bowie
Austin Anderson
Austin Akins

Del Valle will be just under the cap.

Bastrop will have to fill the void left by Waco and Cove in 13-5A

[The Lone Ranger]

The UIL will keep 245 schools in 5A...they increased the number of playoff teams to give teams a better shot at making the playoffs. They won't add more teams to 5A, as that would be pointless.

HP's enrollment was the 240th largest in the state. However, 6 schools with smaller enrollments are projected by rivals to play up: Strake Jesuit, Willowridge, Laredo Martin, Laredo Cigarroa, Laredo LBJ, and Dallas Carter. The UIL may not grant waivers to the Laredo schools. If this happens, then HP will be a 5A school. Otherwise, HP will be the largest school.

Incidentally, this same scenario happened the last alignment. Based on the raw numbers, HP would have been in 5A, but several schools opted up under looser standards, and thus HP dropped down.

I don't think that it's a conspiracy by the UIL and HP, it's just the way the numbers fall. However, I'm really hoping that Moody and Miller opt up from Corpus Christi, thus forcing JJ Pearce to drop down to 4A. They're the only real monkey we've got on our backs at Jesuit--the only district for we didn't beat in the 2 years.

[SeguinMatadors]

I think 26 and 27 is right on and obvious, but I think 25 will end up like this:

Smithson Valley
San Marcos
Seguin
Westlake
Austin SFA
Austin Bowie
Austin Anderson
Austin Akins

Del Valle will be just under the cap.

Bastrop will have to fill the void left by Waco and Cove in 13-5A

Ahh!! God know. San Antonio football gets much better coverage and is overall much more enjoyable than Austin.

[Tut]

I have two predictions.
(1) Not everybody will be happy.
(2) Someone will petition for a change.

The UIL has an extremly tough task. Where it goes, nobody knows.

[myround0]

Will 5A finally crown one champion,

[BAMF cowboy]

Will 5A finally crown one champion,

doubtful...situation is just getting worse, now 4 teams go to playoffs...completely pointless

[PESHfan]

Yep very gay by 1 students? how awful...

Counselors probably refused to enroll any new students during the week leading up to snapshot day. Sure would be curious to know what their actual enrollment is now.

[lonny23]

Wow! Very Interesting Topic! (Seriously). Amazing that The Woodlands College Park got new school and still at large with 2600 students. No Fair that yall get new schools!!! We shall get it soon if our tax rate goes up because right now is like the lowest in Texas and plus they been paying alot very smart students to go private schools. Just ashame that we don't get new school because of just some stupid tax and no money. Anyways, dang I wish Highland Park go to 5A to play against Southlake Carroll in the same district since Denton Ryan going down to 4A.

I saw that Moody with 1371 students?! That is ridiculous and that should be in 3A or something like that.

Anyways, Texasprepxtra sure did a great job reporting stuff on here! It was very interesting article for next year.
Moody is 4A size. They'll finally drop down.

[lonny23]

coincedence that HP missed it by one?
It's BS money and power that lets them be the largest 4A school every time.

[lonny23]

Has their ever been a team move down in classification and win a championship in their first year in that class?
I think Paul Pewitt did it in 1998.

[dragonfootballfan]

It's BS money and power that lets them be the largest 4A school every time.
and until this year it had not gotten them a championship. I don't think it matters. Actually its kind of funny that after all these years of manipulating numbers in finally has paid off.

[lonny23]

im kind of new to this stuff (as most of you know) so whats the deal with HP like you mentioned? do they always seem to "shrink" come realignment time?
I say it's a fix. I remember when HP was a 5A school. When their program fell off, they dropped to 4A and haven't been back. I think they'll go back to 5A if they have a top football program.

[lonny23]

Another district that is just 3 teams deep for my Mats..:confused:
Bastrop and Victoria are a lot better than the departing members. You're not a shoo-in for the playoffs with that group.

[lonny23]

The UIL will keep 245 schools in 5A...they increased the number of playoff teams to give teams a better shot at making the playoffs. They won't add more teams to 5A, as that would be pointless.

HP's enrollment was the 240th largest in the state. However, 6 schools with smaller enrollments are projected by rivals to play up: Strake Jesuit, Willowridge, Laredo Martin, Laredo Cigarroa, Laredo LBJ, and Dallas Carter. The UIL may not grant waivers to the Laredo schools. If this happens, then HP will be a 5A school. Otherwise, HP will be the largest school.

Incidentally, this same scenario happened the last alignment. Based on the raw numbers, HP would have been in 5A, but several schools opted up under looser standards, and thus HP dropped down.

I don't think that it's a conspiracy by the UIL and HP, it's just the way the numbers fall. However, I'm really hoping that Moody and Miller opt up from Corpus Christi, thus forcing JJ Pearce to drop down to 4A. They're the only real monkey we've got on our backs at Jesuit--the only district for we didn't beat in the 2 years.
What's the big deal with 245. They had 244 playing football this year.

[badger95]

Ahh!! God know. San Antonio football gets much better coverage and is overall much more enjoyable than Austin.

I currently live in Austin, but grew up the San Antonio area and completely agree with that statement. The stateman views high school sports as filler and an afterthought to UT. It's really too bad as there is some excellent football in the area, especially at the 3A level, i.e. Wimberly, Hutto, etc.

San Antonio gives much better coverage and spirit.

[rancher52]

I am confused - is the cutoff known? In KT's post #1 it says that HP missed by one at 1975. Later there was a reference that 2000 had been assumed as the cutoff. Can someone explain?

[dragonsdaddy]

I am confused - is the cutoff known? In KT's post #1 it says that HP missed by one at 1975. Later there was a reference that 2000 had been assumed as the cutoff. Can someone explain?
there have been several "experts" who have used their info and their calculators and have added 1 to hp's number and found surprisingly that it puts 245 teams including the ones likely to play up, into 5a.

[chap fan]

Well, the 8/5/05 info on the UIL web site lists Austin Anderson at 1949, so if 1975 is the cutoff, they would presumably drop to 4A with Crockett. San Marcos is listed at 1975.5--so does that mean we think they'll stay 5A?

I don't think Victoria will get realligned into S.A., because there will probably be even more Corpus schools dropping down to 4A, and Victoria will be needed to help fill out that district. (My sympathies--my high school was on the western edge of the Hill Country and our "district" football games involved three teams on the border and a few others a couple of hours away).

And what's with Smithson Valley? Weren't they building a second high school? When will it compete in varsity? Hays should drop down to 4A in this allignment with their second high school filling out.

[gwdaddy]

You are correct. The name you are thinking of is Tellus Redman. He moved in and lived with WR Jack Brewer who was also his cousin. Grapevine actually thought they could beat us that year. It was pretty funny to see them or hear them around the metroplex over the christmas break that year.

I think it was Tellis Redmon, and if memory serves me right he was a Junior on the Gvine team that won state--and played for Heritage his Senior year. I think he went way up north to play college ball--maybe Minnesota?

[HawgPaw75]

The 2006 Realignment is just around the corner and many people are wondering who's moving up, who's moving down, and who's staying put. Well, the guys over at TexasPrepXtra have put together a fantastic article detailing that very subject. Read their article to get the skinny...

Again, special thanks to TexasPrepXtra (http://texasprepxtra.rivals.com) for allowing us to post their article here. Those guys do a great job and we don't mind telling you that!

Good work.

[rancher52]

I think it was Tellis Redmon, and if memory serves me right he was a Junior on the Gvine team that won state--and played for Heritage his Senior year. I think he went way up north to play college ball--maybe Minnesota?
You mentioning Redmond and his cousin Brewer caused me to look them up o find where they are. Redmond did go to Minnesota & starred as a running back. Brewer joined him there as a transfer from SMU after one year. I am not sure if he played all receiver or defensive back. Redmond played for a year with the Ravens in the NFL. Brewer was an undrafted FA with Vikings, Giants, and now the Eagles as a back up safety and special teams player. He was signed by the Eagles in November. I has lost track of him after the first couple of years in the NFL.

[sendero]

And what's with Smithson Valley? Weren't they building a second high school? When will it compete in varsity?

The Canyon Lake High School if it even keeps that name will probably not compete in Varsity athletics until 2008. They were suppose to be ready in 2006 but I believe they are behind schedule.

I think even after it opens SV stays 5A unless they bring the new high school boundary right against SV. The Highway 281 corridor is flooding the school with kids.

[RedRage00]

However, I'm really hoping that Moody and Miller opt up from Corpus Christi, thus forcing JJ Pearce to drop down to 4A. They're the only real monkey we've got on our backs at Jesuit--the only district for we didn't beat in the 2 years.

Moody and Miller to 4A is FACT.

[RedRage00]

There are so many rumors flying around Victoria. That's what happens when you are like in the middle of 3 different cities. We could go to Houston, San Antonio or Corpus.

[FootballJunkie]

Well, the 8/5/05 info on the UIL web site lists Austin Anderson at 1949, so if 1975 is the cutoff, they would presumably drop to 4A with Crockett. San Marcos is listed at 1975.5--so does that mean we think they'll stay 5A?

I don't think Victoria will get realligned into S.A., because there will probably be even more Corpus schools dropping down to 4A, and Victoria will be needed to help fill out that district. (My sympathies--my high school was on the western edge of the Hill Country and our "district" football games involved three teams on the border and a few others a couple of hours away).

And what's with Smithson Valley? Weren't they building a second high school? When will it compete in varsity? Hays should drop down to 4A in this allignment with their second high school filling out.


Funny that you would mention the numbers from the UIL website on 8/5/05...that site list Cove with 2101 and Belton with 2149. This article says COVE and Belton will be going 4A and list them using the 2 year old numbers so who is right??? Will be interesting to see.

[lonny23]

There are so many rumors flying around Victoria. That's what happens when you are like in the middle of 3 different cities. We could go to Houston, San Antonio or Corpus.
I know a place you won't go because you already went there!:p

[The Lone Ranger]

What's the big deal with 245. They had 244 playing football this year.

There are 245 5A schools, but one, Houston Lee, dropped football after 1999 (they didn't have the student interest). So 244 play football.

They simply subtract 244 from the number of schools opting up, and that number of the largest schools in the state are 5A. 6 schools opt up, so the top 239 are 5A. Highland Park was 240. There are a lot of factors: the fact that the district has the highest housing prices in the state is the biggest. There is no conspiracy. HP didn't know what the other 1200+ UIL schools would turn in. They just counted their students and sent in a number. I'm far from a HP fan, but I don't appreciate it when people baselessly accuse schools of cheating (we get a lot of it).

And HP might have to go 5A anyway...5 schools should opt up (Strake Jesuit doesn't have a choice, though they probably have 4A numbers): Dallas Carter, FB Willowridge, Laredo Alexander, Cigarroa, and Martin. If any one of those is refused a waiver, than HP is the smallest 5A school, rather than the largest 4A school.

Here is my projected alignment, assuming that those 5 schools all get waivers:

1: Americas, Bel Air, Coronado, Eastwood, El Dorado, Franklin, Hanks, Montwood, Socorro
2: Amarillo, Tascosa, Lubbock, Coronado, Monterey, San Angelo Central
3: Abilene, Cooper, Midland, Lee, Odessa, Permian
4: Burleson, Paschal Granbury North Crowley, Weatherford, Mansfield, Summit, Timberview
5: Grapevine, Heritage, Haltom, Richland, Keller, Central, Carroll, Justin Northwest
6: Creekview, Newman Smith, RL Turner, Lewisville, FM, Marcus, The Colony, Hebron
7: Coppell, LD Bell, Trinity, Grand Prairie, South Grand Prairie, Irving, MacArthur, Nimitz
8: Arlington, Bowie, Houston, Lamar, Martin, De Soto, Duncanville, Cedar Hill
9: Jesuit, Bryan Adams, Carter, Molina, Skyline, Sunset, WT White
10: Allen, Plano, Plano East, Plano West, Richardson, Berkner, Pearce, Lake Highlands
11: Wylie, Garland, North Garland, South Garland, Sachse, Rowlett, Lakeview, Naaman
12: Longview, John Tyler, Tyler Lee, Rockwall, Mesquite, North Mesquite, John Horn
13: Harker Heights, Shoemaker, Temple, Georgetown, Round Rock, McNeil, Stony Pt, Westwood
14: Cedar Park, Leander, Pflugerville, Bastrop, Austin, Akins, Anderson, Bowie, Westlake
15: Bryan, Consol, Lufkin, Magnolia, Conroe, Oak Ridge, The Woodlands, College Park
16: Klein, Collins, Forest, Oak, Spring, Westfield, Tomball
17: Cy-Fair, Cy Creek, Cy Falls, Cy Ridge, Cy Springs, Jersey Village, Langham Creek
18: Aldine, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Nimitz, Hedwig Village Memorial, Northbrook, Spring Woods, Stratford
19: Strake Jesuit, Elsik, Hastings, Alief Taylor, Katy, Katy Taylor, Cinco Ranch, Mayde Creek, Morton Ranch
20: Fort Bend Austin, Clements, Dulles, Elkins, Hightower, Kempner, Marshall, Willowridge
21: Houston, Bellaire, Chavez, Lamar, Madison, Milby Westbury, Westside
22: Baytown Lee, Sterling, PA Memorial, Beaumont West Brook, Humble, Kingwood, Atascocita
23: Channelview, Deer Park, GP North Shore, La Porte, Pasadena, Dobie, Rayburn, Memorial, South Houston
24: Alvin, Brazoswood, Galveston Ball, Pearland, Clear Creek, Clear Lake, Clear Brook
25: East Central, Judson, Wagner, Smithson Valley, Seguin, San Marcos
26: Southwest, Highlands, Victoria Memorial, CC Carroll, King, Ray
27: Del Rio, Churchill, Lee, MacArthur, Madison, Reagan, Roosevelt
28: Clark, Holmes, Jay, Marshall, O'Connor, Stevens, Taft, Warren
29: Cigarroa, Martin, Nixon, United, United South, Alexander, Johnson
30: La Joya, McAllen, McAllen Memorial, Rowe, Sharyland, Rio Grande City
31: Donna, Edinburg, Edinburg Economedes, Edinburg North, Weslaco, PSJA, PSJA North, PSJA Memorial
32: Hanna, Lopez, Pace, Porter, Rivera, Harlingen, South, Los Fresnos, San Benito

[SeguinMatadors]

There are 245 5A schools, but one, Houston Lee, dropped football after 1999 (they didn't have the student interest). So 244 play football.

They simply subtract 244 from the number of schools opting up, and that number of the largest schools in the state are 5A. 6 schools opt up, so the top 239 are 5A. Highland Park was 240. There are a lot of factors: the fact that the district has the highest housing prices in the state is the biggest. There is no conspiracy. HP didn't know what the other 1200+ UIL schools would turn in. They just counted their students and sent in a number. I'm far from a HP fan, but I don't appreciate it when people baselessly accuse schools of cheating (we get a lot of it).

And HP might have to go 5A anyway...5 schools should opt up (Strake Jesuit doesn't have a choice, though they probably have 4A numbers): Dallas Carter, FB Willowridge, Laredo Alexander, Cigarroa, and Martin. If any one of those is refused a waiver, than HP is the smallest 5A school, rather than the largest 4A school.

Here is my projected alignment, assuming that those 5 schools all get waivers:

1: Americas, Bel Air, Coronado, Eastwood, El Dorado, Franklin, Hanks, Montwood, Socorro
2: Amarillo, Tascosa, Lubbock, Coronado, Monterey, San Angelo Central
3: Abilene, Cooper, Midland, Lee, Odessa, Permian
4: Burleson, Paschal Granbury North Crowley, Weatherford, Mansfield, Summit, Timberview
5: Grapevine, Heritage, Haltom, Richland, Keller, Central, Carroll, Justin Northwest
6: Creekview, Newman Smith, RL Turner, Lewisville, FM, Marcus, The Colony, Hebron
7: Coppell, LD Bell, Trinity, Grand Prairie, South Grand Prairie, Irving, MacArthur, Nimitz
8: Arlington, Bowie, Houston, Lamar, Martin, De Soto, Duncanville, Cedar Hill
9: Jesuit, Bryan Adams, Carter, Molina, Skyline, Sunset, WT White
10: Allen, Plano, Plano East, Plano West, Richardson, Berkner, Pearce, Lake Highlands
11: Wylie, Garland, North Garland, South Garland, Sachse, Rowlett, Lakeview, Naaman
12: Longview, John Tyler, Tyler Lee, Rockwall, Mesquite, North Mesquite, John Horn
13: Harker Heights, Shoemaker, Temple, Georgetown, Round Rock, McNeil, Stony Pt, Westwood
14: Cedar Park, Leander, Pflugerville, Bastrop, Austin, Akins, Anderson, Bowie, Westlake
15: Bryan, Consol, Lufkin, Magnolia, Conroe, Oak Ridge, The Woodlands, College Park
16: Klein, Collins, Forest, Oak, Spring, Westfield, Tomball
17: Cy-Fair, Cy Creek, Cy Falls, Cy Ridge, Cy Springs, Jersey Village, Langham Creek
18: Aldine, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Nimitz, Hedwig Village Memorial, Northbrook, Spring Woods, Stratford
19: Strake Jesuit, Elsik, Hastings, Alief Taylor, Katy, Katy Taylor, Cinco Ranch, Mayde Creek, Morton Ranch
20: Fort Bend Austin, Clements, Dulles, Elkins, Hightower, Kempner, Marshall, Willowridge
21: Houston, Bellaire, Chavez, Lamar, Madison, Milby Westbury, Westside
22: Baytown Lee, Sterling, PA Memorial, Beaumont West Brook, Humble, Kingwood, Atascocita
23: Channelview, Deer Park, GP North Shore, La Porte, Pasadena, Dobie, Rayburn, Memorial, South Houston
24: Alvin, Brazoswood, Galveston Ball, Pearland, Clear Creek, Clear Lake, Clear Brook
25: East Central, Judson, Wagner, Smithson Valley, Seguin, San Marcos
26: Southwest, Highlands, Victoria Memorial, CC Carroll, King, Ray
27: Del Rio, Churchill, Lee, MacArthur, Madison, Reagan, Roosevelt
28: Clark, Holmes, Jay, Marshall, O'Connor, Stevens, Taft, Warren
29: Cigarroa, Martin, Nixon, United, United South, Alexander, Johnson
30: La Joya, McAllen, McAllen Memorial, Rowe, Sharyland, Rio Grande City
31: Donna, Edinburg, Edinburg Economedes, Edinburg North, Weslaco, PSJA, PSJA North, PSJA Memorial
32: Hanna, Lopez, Pace, Porter, Rivera, Harlingen, South, Los Fresnos, San Benito

Now I certainly do hope you are right about that. 25 would be stacked.

[dentonRYAN]

I cant beileve HP wont be in 5A.....its a joke for them to stay in 4A and miss it by 1 student....lol

Ill transfer into HP if I have to....lol

[toonman]

Wow. SeguinMatadors - you seem to have this figured out. Good job. I look forward to seeing how the actual realignment compares to your forecast.

[SeguinMatadors]

Wow. SeguinMatadors - you seem to have this figured out. Good job. I look forward to seeing how the actual realignment compares to your forecast.

I think I will fair well.. it took me hours to put that together.:p :D Sorry Lonestar.

[ScottS]

Good to see Ridge going to 4A next year. Our team was so young. We only lost 4 true starters on Defense.

We should go a several rounds in the playoffs next year.

We had to play big school in the playoffs this year with about 1920 students.

Why wasn't SLC the 5-5A big school? Isn't SLC 2200 or so?

[Consol Tiger]

Why wasn't SLC the 5-5A big school? Isn't SLC 2200 or so?
Fossil Ridge is bigger

[DrEdward]

Why wasn't SLC the 5-5A big school? Isn't SLC 2200 or so?

Quite simply, based on the last enrollment figures, Fossil Ridge had a larger enrollment than did Carroll.

[gwdaddy]

I cant beileve HP wont be in 5A.....its a joke for them to stay in 4A and miss it by 1 student....lol

Ill transfer into HP if I have to....lol

If you can play, and you don't bump them into 5A, our HP friends will likely be glad to find an empty servant's quarters to accommodate you.

[bubbacoach]

There are 245 5A schools, but one, Houston Lee, dropped football after 1999 (they didn't have the student interest). So 244 play football.

They simply subtract 244 from the number of schools opting up, and that number of the largest schools in the state are 5A. 6 schools opt up, so the top 239 are 5A. Highland Park was 240. There are a lot of factors: the fact that the district has the highest housing prices in the state is the biggest. There is no conspiracy. HP didn't know what the other 1200+ UIL schools would turn in. They just counted their students and sent in a number. I'm far from a HP fan, but I don't appreciate it when people baselessly accuse schools of cheating (we get a lot of it).

And HP might have to go 5A anyway...5 schools should opt up (Strake Jesuit doesn't have a choice, though they probably have 4A numbers): Dallas Carter, FB Willowridge, Laredo Alexander, Cigarroa, and Martin. If any one of those is refused a waiver, than HP is the smallest 5A school, rather than the largest 4A school.

Here is my projected alignment, assuming that those 5 schools all get waivers:

1: Americas, Bel Air, Coronado, Eastwood, El Dorado, Franklin, Hanks, Montwood, Socorro
2: Amarillo, Tascosa, Lubbock, Coronado, Monterey, San Angelo Central
3: Abilene, Cooper, Midland, Lee, Odessa, Permian
4: Burleson, Paschal Granbury North Crowley, Weatherford, Mansfield, Summit, Timberview
5: Grapevine, Heritage, Haltom, Richland, Keller, Central, Carroll, Justin Northwest
6: Creekview, Newman Smith, RL Turner, Lewisville, FM, Marcus, The Colony, Hebron
7: Coppell, LD Bell, Trinity, Grand Prairie, South Grand Prairie, Irving, MacArthur, Nimitz
8: Arlington, Bowie, Houston, Lamar, Martin, De Soto, Duncanville, Cedar Hill
9: Jesuit, Bryan Adams, Carter, Molina, Skyline, Sunset, WT White
10: Allen, Plano, Plano East, Plano West, Richardson, Berkner, Pearce, Lake Highlands
11: Wylie, Garland, North Garland, South Garland, Sachse, Rowlett, Lakeview, Naaman
12: Longview, John Tyler, Tyler Lee, Rockwall, Mesquite, North Mesquite, John Horn
13: Harker Heights, Shoemaker, Temple, Georgetown, Round Rock, McNeil, Stony Pt, Westwood
14: Cedar Park, Leander, Pflugerville, Bastrop, Austin, Akins, Anderson, Bowie, Westlake
15: Bryan, Consol, Lufkin, Magnolia, Conroe, Oak Ridge, The Woodlands, College Park
16: Klein, Collins, Forest, Oak, Spring, Westfield, Tomball
17: Cy-Fair, Cy Creek, Cy Falls, Cy Ridge, Cy Springs, Jersey Village, Langham Creek
18: Aldine, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Nimitz, Hedwig Village Memorial, Northbrook, Spring Woods, Stratford
19: Strake Jesuit, Elsik, Hastings, Alief Taylor, Katy, Katy Taylor, Cinco Ranch, Mayde Creek, Morton Ranch
20: Fort Bend Austin, Clements, Dulles, Elkins, Hightower, Kempner, Marshall, Willowridge
21: Houston, Bellaire, Chavez, Lamar, Madison, Milby Westbury, Westside
22: Baytown Lee, Sterling, PA Memorial, Beaumont West Brook, Humble, Kingwood, Atascocita
23: Channelview, Deer Park, GP North Shore, La Porte, Pasadena, Dobie, Rayburn, Memorial, South Houston
24: Alvin, Brazoswood, Galveston Ball, Pearland, Clear Creek, Clear Lake, Clear Brook
25: East Central, Judson, Wagner, Smithson Valley, Seguin, San Marcos
26: Southwest, Highlands, Victoria Memorial, CC Carroll, King, Ray
27: Del Rio, Churchill, Lee, MacArthur, Madison, Reagan, Roosevelt
28: Clark, Holmes, Jay, Marshall, O'Connor, Stevens, Taft, Warren
29: Cigarroa, Martin, Nixon, United, United South, Alexander, Johnson
30: La Joya, McAllen, McAllen Memorial, Rowe, Sharyland, Rio Grande City
31: Donna, Edinburg, Edinburg Economedes, Edinburg North, Weslaco, PSJA, PSJA North, PSJA Memorial
32: Hanna, Lopez, Pace, Porter, Rivera, Harlingen, South, Los Fresnos, San Benito
Where is EAgle Pass?

[ScottS]

Where is EAgle Pass?

On the border, sw of San Antonio.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&cat=&address=&city=eagle+pass&state=tx&zipcode=

[chap fan]

The problem with this list is it contains several schools that weren't reporting 5A numbers (1975) in August of 05. Austin Anderson, Strake Jesuit, Misson Sharyland, Round Rock among others. I also suspect it may not include some schools moving up. I'm not sure why S.A. should have 6 and 7 member districts while we have 8 and 9(???) member districts just north. Why wouldn't it make more sense to pull down at least Bastrop and Westlake into a central Texas district with San Marcos, Sequin, and northern area schools?

[t00 playa]

what about the TPX site projecting....

22-5A
Baytown Lee
Baytown Sterling
Beaumont West Brook
Channelview
Galena Park North Shore
Lufkin
Port Arthur Memorial


doable? or dreaming?:eek:

[The Lone Ranger]

The TPX alignment could very well happen...last alignment they put Lufkin in with TW, who were just coming off of a loss to GPNS in the state title game.

But it won't happen.

In their aligments, they will not make schools cross I-10. So they won't put GPNS with Pasadena ISD, where they almost certainly will go.

And chap fan, I'm basing my schools in 5A on what TPX has--which could very well be faulty. Last time they said the 5A cutoff would end up being 1950. I don't know how, but apparantly RRHS, Anderson, and Sharyland are all 5A. Strake must play 5A regardless of enrollmen--a condition of the Jesuit schools acceptance into the UIL.

My aligment was based on geography, not on balancing the number of schools in each district. One of my plans did send Bastrop down south, but in the end they were just a better fit with the Austin schools. Westlake would never go to a SA district--they're right in Austin, and the UIL would never make them bypass schools 10 minutes away for an hour drive into SA.

HP did nothing wrong. They are one of the 245 largest in size, but 5 schools who are 4A in numbers should petition to play up. If any one of these requests is denied, then HP will be the smallest 5A school.

The TPX article says that there will be no 6-team districts, screwing my plan up. So I'll be working on a new one.

[toonman]

The TPX article says that there will be no 6-team districts, screwing my plan up. So I'll be working on a new one.

If there are no 6-Team Districts, then the problem will be in West Texas - Odessa, Midland, Abilene, Lubbock, San Angelo and Amarillo; where there are 12 teams. This would leave 4 teams to be put into other districts. What does the UIL do? Put the Odessa teams into El Paso and the Abilene teams in west Fort Worth. It will be interesting to see how this works out.

[Red Raiders]

Assuming the UIL keeps only 245 5A schools, this is how I see the SA area...


25-5A

Bastrop
Smithson Valley
Seguin
San Marcos
Victoria Memorial
SA East Central
SA Highlands
SA Southwest

26-5A

Converse Judson
SA Wagner
SA MacArthur
SA Madison
SA Lee
SA Churchill
SA Reagan
SA Roosevelt

27-5A

SA Clark
SA Holmes
SA Taft
SA Marshall
SA O'Connor
SA Warren
SA Stevens
SA Jay

Wow, San Antonio getting more schools than Houston because of many immigrants I believe?

[The Lone Ranger]

If there are no 6-Team Districts, then the problem will be in West Texas - Odessa, Midland, Abilene, Lubbock, San Angelo and Amarillo; where there are 12 teams. This would leave 4 teams to be put into other districts. What does the UIL do? Put the Odessa teams into El Paso and the Abilene teams in west Fort Worth. It will be interesting to see how this works out.

In my belief, they will have a 10 team 2-5A, and send Abilene and Cooper to Ft. Worth.

2-5A would be divided into zones, with the North Zone being the Amarillo and Lubbock schools, and the South Zone being the Midland and Odessa schools plus SAC. They would play 4 zone games, and then would play in Week 10 to determine the district champion and playoff seeding. All 10 teams would still have 5 district games, leaving the need to find 5 non-district games.

This will be the only 10-team district in the state, IMHO.

[The Lone Ranger]

Based on Rivals' information (the cutoff is 1977 or so; no 6-team districts), I have reformed my realignment plan. IMHO, many schools will be unhappy with the alignment, because refusing to allow 6-team districts leaves a lot of geographic holes to be filled. I wonder if the UIL will allow districts to be 6-team if the schools have unanimous consent? I think that they should consider upping the number of 5A schools to 256 or thereabouts if they would like to eliminate 6 team districts.

Here it is. If it says "Unchanged," see my above proposal:

1: unchanged
2 North Zone: Amarillo, Tascosa, Lubbock, Coronado, Monterey
2 South Zone: Midland, Lee, Odessa, Permian, San Angelo Central
3: Abilene, Cooper, Weatherford, Justin Northwest, Haltom, Richland, Granbury (this one was tricky. I didn't want to put any Northern Tarrant/Denton County schools with the Parker/Hood and Abilene schools,but this was the only way it would mathematically work out that I saw. Be free to show other ways this would work)
4: North Crowley, Burleson, Cedar Hill, FW Paschal, Mansfield, Summit, Timberview
5: Carrollton Creekview, Newman Smith, RL Turner, Grapevine, Colleyville Heritage, Keller, Keller Central, Southlake Carroll (again, I didn't want CFB to have to cross Coppell, and they work better geographically with Lewisville or in their current district, but this worked out mathematically)
6: Lewisville, Flower Mound, Marcus, The Colony, Hebron, Coppell, Allen (Allen is a poor geographic fit, but again, mathematics hurts the area).
7: Trinity, LD Bell, Irving, MacArthur, Nimitz, Grand Prairie, South Grand Prairie
8: Arlington, Bowie, Houston, Lamar, Martin, Duncanville, De Soto
9: Plano, PESH, PWSH, Richardson, Lake Highlands, LV Berkner, JJ Pearce
10: Jesuit, WT White, Bryan Adams, David W Carter, Moises E Molina, Sunset, Skyline (I really couldn't see the UIL sticking Jesuit here, but it works out sort-of well geographically [Jesuit is 2 blocks from White], and again, mathematics prevails)
11: unchanged
12: unchanged
(Note on the Metroplex: I can't see the UIL having a bye district in 5A, but with 72 schools to stretch over 10 districts, it would really help)
13: unchanged
14: Cedar Park, Leander, Pflugerville, Austin, Akins, Anderson, Bowie
15-24: unchanged
25: Judson, Wagner, Smithson Valley, Seguin, San Marcos, Bastrop, Westlake (again, mathematics overrides geography and tradition--you have to have 7 teams)
26: Southwest, Highlands, East Central, Victoria Memorial, CC Carroll, King, Ray (this district probably has the highest average travel time of the entire state)
27: Del Rio, Churchill, Lee, MacArthur, Madison, Reagan, Roosevelt
28: Clark, Holmes, Jay, Marshall, O'Connor, Stevens, Taft, Warren
29: Laredo Cigarroa, Martin, Nixon, United, South, Alexander, Johnson
30: La Joya, McAllen, McAllen Memorial, Rowe, Sharyland, Rio Grande City, Donna
31: Edinburg, Economedes, Edinburg North, Weslaco, PSJA, PSJA North, PSJA Memorial
32: Brownsville Hanna, Pace, Porter, Rivera, Lopez, Harlingen, South, Los Fresnos, San Benito

Alternate 25 and 26 (so that Victoria and CCISD aren't in same district, easing SA area travel):

25: San Marcos, Seguin, East Central, Smithson Valley, Bastrop, Austin Westlake, Victoria Memorial
26: SA Southwest, SA Highlands, Judson, Wagner, CC Carroll, CC King, CC Ray

[The Lone Ranger]

An alternate proposal for districts 5-10:

5: Creekview, Smith, Turner, Grapevine, Herigate, Keller, Central
6: Lewisville, FM, Marcus, TC, Hebron, Jesuit, Carroll
7: Arlington, Bowie, Houston, Lamar, Martin, Trinity, Bell
8: Irving, MacArthur, Nimitz, Grand Prairie, South Grand Prairie, De Soto, Coppell
9: current district 8
10: Adams, Carter, Molina, Skyline, Sunset, White, Duncanville

[grayowl60]

Based on Rivals' information (the cutoff is 1977 or so; no 6-team districts), I have reformed my realignment plan. IMHO, many schools will be unhappy with the alignment, because refusing to allow 6-team districts leaves a lot of geographic holes to be filled. I wonder if the UIL will allow districts to be 6-team if the schools have unanimous consent? I think that they should consider upping the number of 5A schools to 256 or thereabouts if they would like to eliminate 6 team districts.

Here it is. If it says "Unchanged," see my above proposal:

1: unchanged
2 North Zone: Amarillo, Tascosa, Lubbock, Coronado, Monterey
2 South Zone: Midland, Lee, Odessa, Permian, San Angelo Central
3: Abilene, Cooper, Weatherford, Justin Northwest, Haltom, Richland, Granbury (this one was tricky. I didn't want to put any Northern Tarrant/Denton County schools with the Parker/Hood and Abilene schools,but this was the only way it would mathematically work out that I saw. Be free to show other ways this would work)
4: North Crowley, Burleson, Cedar Hill, FW Paschal, Mansfield, Summit, Timberview
5: Carrollton Creekview, Newman Smith, RL Turner, Grapevine, Colleyville Heritage, Keller, Keller Central, Southlake Carroll (again, I didn't want CFB to have to cross Coppell, and they work better geographically with Lewisville or in their current district, but this worked out mathematically)
6: Lewisville, Flower Mound, Marcus, The Colony, Hebron, Coppell, Allen (Allen is a poor geographic fit, but again, mathematics hurts the area).
7: Trinity, LD Bell, Irving, MacArthur, Nimitz, Grand Prairie, South Grand Prairie
8: Arlington, Bowie, Houston, Lamar, Martin, Duncanville, De Soto
9: Plano, PESH, PWSH, Richardson, Lake Highlands, LV Berkner, JJ Pearce
10: Jesuit, WT White, Bryan Adams, David W Carter, Moises E Molina, Sunset, Skyline (I really couldn't see the UIL sticking Jesuit here, but it works out sort-of well geographically [Jesuit is 2 blocks from White], and again, mathematics prevails)
11: unchanged
12: unchanged
(Note on the Metroplex: I can't see the UIL having a bye district in 5A, but with 72 schools to stretch over 10 districts, it would really help)
13: unchanged
14: Cedar Park, Leander, Pflugerville, Austin, Akins, Anderson, Bowie
15-24: unchanged
25: Judson, Wagner, Smithson Valley, Seguin, San Marcos, Bastrop, Westlake (again, mathematics overrides geography and tradition--you have to have 7 teams)
26: Southwest, Highlands, East Central, Victoria Memorial, CC Carroll, King, Ray (this district probably has the highest average travel time of the entire state)
27: Del Rio, Churchill, Lee, MacArthur, Madison, Reagan, Roosevelt
28: Clark, Holmes, Jay, Marshall, O'Connor, Stevens, Taft, Warren
29: Laredo Cigarroa, Martin, Nixon, United, South, Alexander, Johnson
30: La Joya, McAllen, McAllen Memorial, Rowe, Sharyland, Rio Grande City, Donna
31: Edinburg, Economedes, Edinburg North, Weslaco, PSJA, PSJA North, PSJA Memorial
32: Brownsville Hanna, Pace, Porter, Rivera, Lopez, Harlingen, South, Los Fresnos, San Benito

Alternate 25 and 26 (so that Victoria and CCISD aren't in same district, easing SA area travel):

25: San Marcos, Seguin, East Central, Smithson Valley, Bastrop, Austin Westlake, Victoria Memorial
26: SA Southwest, SA Highlands, Judson, Wagner, CC Carroll, CC King, CC Ray9
i LIKE IT.Good job.Maybe just my eyes, but where would you put Wylie?:confused:

[The Lone Ranger]

9
i LIKE IT.Good job.Maybe just my eyes, but where would you put Wylie?:confused:

They were in my original proposal, in District 11 with the Garland schools. It wasn't in the above post, as that district went unchanged from my original proposal.

They might also end up in District 12, with the East Texas Schools, Mesquite ISD, and Rockwall.

I'm sure Wylie would prefer to be with the Garland school, and Garland would prefer Wylie to be in district 12.

[The Lone Ranger]

Where is EAgle Pass?

Eagle Pass is moving to 4A, because a new high school (Winn) is opening in that district.

[The Lone Ranger]

Info on the realignment numbers:

The numbers on the UIL website that says 8-5-05 are NOT the numbers being used for this realignment, With the exception of Schertz Clemens, those are IDENTICAL to the numbers used to calculate the 2004 realignment.
There are new numbers being used for the alignment. TexasPrepXtra.com called the borderline schools to find out what numbers the schools turned in for the alignment, and then determined the top 245 schools.

The UIL just takes the top schools and puts them in 5A. I hate to break it to you, but HP ain't cheating. They didn't know the enrollments of the other schools in the state. They just turned in their number and it happend to be the largest in 4A. They SHOULD be 5A, but because schools play up, they are 4A. Don't blame HP, blame Carter, Willowridge, Laredo Johnson, Laredo Alexander, and Laredo Martin. The same thing happend last alignment--HP didn't cheat, schools just played up, dropping HP to 4A.

HPISD has a very small geographic area with the highest housing prices in the state. They don't need to cheat to keep enrollment down--it happens naturally. HP doesn't accept out-of-district transfers, as well, making it very difficult for them to increase their enrollment by much. That's why they've been in the same enrollment range for the past 10 years or so.

Don't accuse schools of cheating when they aren't. Why does it matter--HP has a great football program. Their being in 4A makes it easier for every other school in 5A to win state.

And if you are saying that HP won't "let themselves go back to 5A" until they have a top football program--why don't you go look at the national polls, many of which ranked HP higher than Euless Trinity. Highland Park is and always has been a top football program--they've just had bad luck having to play Texas High, another top program, in bi-district. It really sucks that two of the top 3-5 teams in the state have to play in the first round of the playoffs.

[SanAngeloBobcat]

In my belief, they will have a 10 team 2-5A, and send Abilene and Cooper to Ft. Worth.

2-5A would be divided into zones, with the North Zone being the Amarillo and Lubbock schools, and the South Zone being the Midland and Odessa schools plus SAC. They would play 4 zone games, and then would play in Week 10 to determine the district champion and playoff seeding. All 10 teams would still have 5 district games, leaving the need to find 5 non-district games.

This will be the only 10-team district in the state, IMHO.

I agree that these 10 teams may very well be districted together, however, there wouldn't really need to be a week 10 "playoff" between the top 2 teams from each zone because all 4 teams will make the playoffs (the two largest of these 4 will go into Div I and the other two will be Div II). Now, the winner of each zone might want to play each other in week 10 to determine the district champion, but there wouldn't be any need for the 2nd place teams in each zone to play each other to determine who gets 3rd and 4th place in the district since "seeding" isn't necessary for the playoffs.

If these ten teams do end up in a district together, they might just decide to play 9 district games since most of these schools already play each other every year in non-district anyway

[chap fan]

Hold on a minute. District 14-5A is created from the remants of district 15-5A (where do Conroe and Lufkin schools go?); and the remnants of District 16-5A are split between 14-5A and a Centex/S.A. district. Who is the new 16-5A? (It ways 15-5A-24 remain unchanged--which doesn't seem possible under this proposal).

[grayowl60]

They were in my original proposal, in District 11 with the Garland schools. It wasn't in the above post, as that district went unchanged from my original proposal.

They might also end up in District 12, with the East Texas Schools, Mesquite ISD, and Rockwall.

I'm sure Wylie would prefer to be with the Garland school, and Garland would prefer Wylie to be in district 12.
Right. They are about 4 miles from Sachse HS, 5 or 6 from Plano East, Rowlett, Berkner and Rockwall, but may have 3 hour drives for district games. I know Homer Johnson wants a pure Garland district, but Wylie would make the 8 teams uil wants. A new school is in the plans for Rowlett now, so that will be interesting:confused: :eek:

[The Lone Ranger]

Hold on a minute. District 14-5A is created from the remants of district 15-5A (where do Conroe and Lufkin schools go?); and the remnants of District 16-5A are split between 14-5A and a Centex/S.A. district. Who is the new 16-5A? (It ways 15-5A-24 remain unchanged--which doesn't seem possible under this proposal).

Unchanged from my original proposal, not from the current districts.

15-5A will be Conroe, Lufkin, Bryan, and College Station, and 16-5A will be Spring ISD, Klein, Magnolia, and Tomball.

[chap fan]

Why would they have only four member districts? They'd all be guaranteed to go to the playoffs?

[EasTex9]

Conroe ISD has "4" schools

1. Conroe
2. Conroe Oak Ridge
3. The Woodlands
4. College Park

[redred52]

Just got word that Belton turned in a ADA of 2100 not 1946 as reported. Looks like they will be staying 5A instead of 4A.

[bdhtexas]

Unchanged from my original proposal, not from the current districts.

15-5A will be Conroe, Lufkin, Bryan, and College Station, and 16-5A will be Spring ISD, Klein, Magnolia, and Tomball.

It's not fair for Lufkin to have to travel all the way to Bryan and College Station.

Lufkin to Bryan is 154 miles and to College Station is 158.. it's 113 miles to go to the Spring/Klein/Humble area and 107 miles to Beaumont, so I think they'd prefer staying aligned with that area.

[The Lone Ranger]

Actually, now that Belton is going to stay in 5A, it's looking like Bryan and Consolidated will stay in 13-5A.

Lufkin will more than likely end up in 22-5A, with Beaumont West Brook, Port Arthur Memorial, Baytown Lee, Baytown Sterling, Channelview, and Galena Park North Shore.

And don't complain about it not being fair...when Del Rio has to play against 8 district opponents who are a 3-hour drive away IN GOOD TRAFFIC (as will probably happen this alignment), that's not fair. The UIL isn't fair...they don't have the ability to pity a school that makes the state semi-finals every year. Complaining about having to travel an extra half-hour once a season is just riddiculus...they could send Lufkin to the Metroplex and they'd still win. If you were a weak program, you might have a right to complain.

[The Lone Ranger]

Here are some things that look likely to happen now:

1. 244 teams in 5A again this alignment (Houston Lee is the 245th, but they don't play football)
2. No more 6-team football districts in 5A
3. Belton is still 5A, and the article omits Killeen Ellison; so now it looks like The Colony and Richardson Pearce will be dropping to 4A. Pearce has an enrollment of 1980.

This might affect the alignment pretty hard...the Metroplex should have 10 districts, but will have to stretch 70 teams among them. This might not be possible given the distribution of schools in ISDs.

[slorch]

It's not fair for Lufkin to have to travel all the way to Bryan and College Station.

Lufkin to Bryan is 154 miles and to College Station is 158.. it's 113 miles to go to the Spring/Klein/Humble area and 107 miles to Beaumont, so I think they'd prefer staying aligned with that area.
I agree this is not fair in relation to what most teams drive.

Look at a map and find San Angelo.
Now find this town called Amarillo.
Now drive this for your DISTRICT football games. ludicrous!!!!

[slorch]

Actually, now that Belton is going to stay in 5A, it's looking like Bryan and Consolidated will stay in 13-5A.

Lufkin will more than likely end up in 22-5A, with Beaumont West Brook, Port Arthur Memorial, Baytown Lee, Baytown Sterling, Channelview, and Galena Park North Shore.

And don't complain about it not being fair...when Del Rio has to play against 8 district opponents who are a 3-hour drive away IN GOOD TRAFFIC (as will probably happen this alignment), that's not fair. The UIL isn't fair...they don't have the ability to pity a school that makes the state semi-finals every year. Complaining about having to travel an extra half-hour once a season is just riddiculus...they could send Lufkin to the Metroplex and they'd still win. If you were a weak program, you might have a right to complain.
the level of success of a program should not be held against it either. What about the JV kids who have school on Friday morning( get home at 2 in the morning?)
SLC was *****ing about going to Nacogdoches for a Saturday playoff game, and their fans stayed home.
Their is still a ton of influence that goes into the district alignments.

[grayowl60]

I agree this is not fair in relation to what most teams drive.

Look at a map and find San Angelo.
Now find this town called Amarillo.
Now drive this for your DISTRICT football games. ludicrous!!!!
How about a way to FIX it. Travel in some of these areas is a fact of life:confused:

[Pack Daddy]

Actually, now that Belton is going to stay in 5A, it's looking like Bryan and Consolidated will stay in 13-5A.

Lufkin will more than likely end up in 22-5A, with Beaumont West Brook, Port Arthur Memorial, Baytown Lee, Baytown Sterling, Channelview, and Galena Park North Shore.

And don't complain about it not being fair...when Del Rio has to play against 8 district opponents who are a 3-hour drive away IN GOOD TRAFFIC (as will probably happen this alignment), that's not fair. The UIL isn't fair...they don't have the ability to pity a school that makes the state semi-finals every year. Complaining about having to travel an extra half-hour once a season is just riddiculus...they could send Lufkin to the Metroplex and they'd still win. If you were a weak program, you might have a right to complain.

We don't mind driving as you may or may not know - we just hate the thought of being thrown into 22. No disrespect but that really is a weak district. We have been screwed by the UIL before when they made us a 4 team district with a round robin season and I predict they will do it to us again, someway and somehow.

[Pack Daddy]

the level of success of a program should not be held against it either. What about the JV kids who have school on Friday morning( get home at 2 in the morning?)
SLC was *****ing about going to Nacogdoches for a Saturday playoff game, and their fans stayed home.
Their is still a ton of influence that goes into the district alignments.
The JV games are not sanctioned by the UIL - they can move up their times but I agree - a 3+ hour drive is pretty far for a district game. In Lufkin we are used to driving that with our eyes closed during the playoffs as we have the drive to Waco memorized and could drive it in our sleep. Maybe UIL will be kind to us. (fingers crossed and saying 3 Hail Mary's)

[The Lone Ranger]

22 may be weak after Lufkin and North Shore, but that game alone would be worth seeing that alignment.

These are the 3 rules I know of for alignments this year:
1. All districts must have at least 7 teams
2. All schools in the same ISD must stay together
3. Geography is the only other factor

Geographically, Lufkin would best be put with the Conroe schools and some other North Houston area school.

But because of the ISD and 7-team rules, that won't happen (Conroe will go with Humble, and 22-5A needs a 7th team). So Lufkin will go to 22-5A.

But Lufkin really can't complain about the possibility of being with Bryan and College Station. That's just two games a year. Try being in West Texas, and doing it weekly (we'll have Odessa/Midland versus Amarillo district games next year), or being in Del Rio (4 trips to San Antonio in district play next alignment). Heck, Victoria Memorial and the Corpus schools will get split up, and they'll have to travel too.

All of these teams will travel farther then Lufkin ever will have to. So don't complain about it not being fair. Lufkin is way out in the country--you can't really be choosy about where you go.

[CLFalcon2006]

I agree this is not fair in relation to what most teams drive.

Look at a map and find San Angelo.
Now find this town called Amarillo.
Now drive this for your DISTRICT football games. ludicrous!!!!

San Angelo Central already in district 2 with Amarillo and Lubbock. That means yall have been making the drive for district games for a while now...

[CLFalcon2006]

I just realized the only district that might not change to much is gonna be district 20. With 9 teams it already meets the requirment for 7 teams, their all in the same ISD (fort Bend) and they are pretty much in the same geography.

So as of right now we can mark off 9 schools from our "what will happen to them" list

[EasTex9]

Lufkin folks aren't worried about where we play...used to be in a district with Texarkana (Texas High, now that was a drive), Marshall, Longview, Tyler Lee and John Tyler, the closest we have ever played was against Nacogdoches:D

I tend to think we'll probably stay South with Conroe & Humble ISD.;) This woudl be a fair district with Lufkin, Humble and The Woodlands playing for the top 3 spots. A toss-up between Kingwood and Conroe for the 4th spot. Really not a bad drive for Lufkin. It would definitely be a very tough Baseball and Basketball district.:eek:

Lufkin
Humble
Kingwood
Humble Atascocita (if open)
The Woodlands
Conroe
Conroe Oak Ridge
College Park

[The Lone Ranger]

That district is not mathematically possible, because each district now must have at least 7 teams. The Houston area is adding another district, making that alignment impossible.

What's likely to happen in the Greater Houston area:

15: Klein ISD x 4, Spring ISD x 2, Magnolia, Tomball
16: Conroe ISD x 4, Humble ISD x 3
17: Cy-Fair ISD x 7
18: same as current district
19: Katy Morton Ranch opens as a 5A school, otherwise no change
20: same as current district
21: Austin down to 4A, Westbury up from 4A
22: Galena Park North Shore, Channelview, Baytown Lee, Baytown Sterling, Beaumont West Brook, Port Arthur Memorial, Lufkin
23: Deer Park, La Porte, Pasadena ISD x 5
24: same as current district

[rangerpride]

Rumor around District 26-5A has this happening soon...
S.A. Lee moves down to 4A
Converse-Wagner replaces them in 26-5A
giving us this...

1.SV
2.Judson
3.Wagner
4.Madison
5.Churchill
6.MacArthur
7.Reagan
8.Roosevelt

That is a meat grinder district if I've ever seen one!

[lonny23]

Rumor around District 26-5A has this happening soon...
S.A. Lee moves down to 4A
Converse-Wagner replaces them in 26-5A
giving us this...

1.SV
2.Judson
3.Wagner
4.Madison
5.Churchill
6.MacArthur
7.Reagan
8.Roosevelt

That is a meat grinder district if I've ever seen one!
Now, I like that district. Five NEISD schools will be fighting for 1 playoff spot!:p Who's got 4th?:D

[Slim-Rob]

Now, I like that district. Five NEISD schools will be fighting for 1 playoff spot!:p Who's got 4th?:D

If we aren't carefull, Judson will be fighting for 5th

[Pack Daddy]

Do we have any updated information?

[desotoeaglesgrad]

An alternate proposal for districts 5-10:

5: Creekview, Smith, Turner, Grapevine, Herigate, Keller, Central
6: Lewisville, FM, Marcus, TC, Hebron, Jesuit, Carroll
7: Arlington, Bowie, Houston, Lamar, Martin, Trinity, Bell
8: Irving, MacArthur, Nimitz, Grand Prairie, South Grand Prairie, De Soto, Coppell
9: current district 8
10: Adams, Carter, Molina, Skyline, Sunset, White, Duncanville

Oh, please tell me they are not going to try and split up DeSoto, Duncanville, and Cedar Hill again! They are so close to each other there is no reason for it. Besides, I guarantee you Duncanville will petition to get out of an all Dallas school district.

[The Lone Ranger]

Actually, looking at the geography, it'd be more likely for DeSoto to go to the DISD district--they're further east than D-ville.

The UIL has said that all districts must have 7 teams this alignment. WW Samuell is dropping to 4A, forcing the 6 DISD schools to pull in another school. The two most logical geographic choices would be HP and Jesuit, but HP should stay 4A and the UIL wouldn't put Jesuit in with DISD because of the huge socio-economic gap (this is what our assistant AD said).

So that leaves a school from the Duncanville/DeSoto/Cedar Hill area. DeSoto is furthest east, thus they should go with Dallas ISD.

[dragonsfan]

[QUOTE=The Lone Ranger]

These are the 3 rules I know of for alignments this year:
1. All districts must have at least 7 teams
2. All schools in the same ISD must stay together
3. Geography is the only other factor


The UIL has said that all districts must have 7 teams this alignment. WW Samuell is dropping to 4A, forcing the 6 DISD schools to pull in another school. The two most logical geographic choices would be HP and Jesuit, but HP should stay 4A and the UIL wouldn't put Jesuit in with DISD because of the huge socio-economic gap (this is what our assistant AD said).

Lone Ranger you just violated your earlier rules for realignment by adding a fourth rule regarding socio-economics!

[JagDad07]

The two most logical geographic choices would be HP and Jesuit, but HP should stay 4A and the UIL wouldn't put Jesuit in with DISD because of the huge socio-economic gap (this is what our assistant AD said).

You gotta admit, a Highland Park of Jesuit vs. Carter game would be one nobody would wanna miss!

[The Lone Ranger]

Actually, I'd REALLY want to miss a Jesuit vs Carter game (I'd rather not see Jesuit get humiliated).

HP vs Carter would be a cracker. That game'd be packed--I could see HP moving a "home" game from Highlander Stadium to Ford Stadium to account for the crowds.

And it's not a UIL rule that Jesuit won't be in a district with DISD, it's just something that our administration is reasonably certain that the UIL won't do. I would LOVE to be with the DISD schools--it would give so many more of our athletes to be top competitors in the district (particularly in the country club sports such as swimming, golf, and tennis). Sunset and Molina are horrible in just about every sport. Bryan Adams is usually a perrenial also-ran as well. White can be good, but a lot of the times chokes. Jesuit might have trouble with Skyline and Carter in football and basketball, but otherwise that district would be an absoloute cakewalk. Could you really imagine the Jesuit vs Molina golf match? Would you really want to?

[Stallion]

Actually, I'd REALLY want to miss a Jesuit vs Carter game (I'd rather not see Jesuit get humiliated).

HP vs Carter would be a cracker. That game'd be packed--I could see HP moving a "home" game from Highlander Stadium to Ford Stadium to account for the crowds.

And it's not a UIL rule that Jesuit won't be in a district with DISD, it's just something that our administration is reasonably certain that the UIL won't do. I would LOVE to be with the DISD schools--it would give so many more of our athletes to be top competitors in the district (particularly in the country club sports such as swimming, golf, and tennis). Sunset and Molina are horrible in just about every sport. Bryan Adams is usually a perrenial also-ran as well. White can be good, but a lot of the times chokes. Jesuit might have trouble with Skyline and Carter in football and basketball, but otherwise that district would be an absoloute cakewalk. Could you really imagine the Jesuit vs Molina golf match? Would you really want to?

Molina would walk away with girls tennis, golf, soccer, basketball and volleyball. No contest brotha' --- He-he-he-haw

[The Lone Ranger]

Molina would walk away with girls tennis, golf, soccer, basketball and volleyball. No contest brotha' --- He-he-he-haw

I ment boys' sports. We don't have girls, so I don't know what the girls sports would be like.

However, DISD is HORRIBLE at most boys sports. Football, Basketball, and Track are the only sports I could see Jesuit having many problems in.

[chap fan]

The rivals.com site predicts that the schools in 15-5A will remain in region 2, but the schools in 16-5a will go to Region IV, dropping Hays and Crockett and picking up San Marcos. Check out their Central Texas predictions.

[desotoeaglesgrad]

Actually, looking at the geography, it'd be more likely for DeSoto to go to the DISD district--they're further east than D-ville.

The UIL has said that all districts must have 7 teams this alignment. WW Samuell is dropping to 4A, forcing the 6 DISD schools to pull in another school. The two most logical geographic choices would be HP and Jesuit, but HP should stay 4A and the UIL wouldn't put Jesuit in with DISD because of the huge socio-economic gap (this is what our assistant AD said).

So that leaves a school from the Duncanville/DeSoto/Cedar Hill area. DeSoto is furthest east, thus they should go with Dallas ISD.

Well, if history serves as any indicator, both DeSoto and the Dallas ISD will appeal (They did the last time DeSoto and Duncanville were in with Carter & Kimball in 1988-90.) What makes more sense is for the UIL to drop Carter to 4A and add DeSoto, D'ville, and Cedar Hill to the remaining Dallas schools.

[The Lone Ranger]

1. It wouldn't be a winnable appeal.

2. What makes sense to the rest of the world doesn't make sense to the UIL, and vice versa.

3. With the new rule that all districts must have 7 teams, there can be very few 8-team districts. Right now, it's looking like there will be 71 schools from Abilene, the Metroplex, and East Texas. If Belton stays up in 5A, there will be only 70, as JJ Pearce would be 4A. Pearce is the only true bubble school.

IF there are 71 school, the 8-team district that makes the most sense (and is the most geographically necessary) is Plano ISD, Richardson ISD, and Wylie. If there are 70, then that district will remain the same.

Thus, if Carter was forced to go to 5A, then you'd still have to split the districts. You'd simply have The Colony come up to 5A. It doesn't affect Southwest Dallas any less. DISD would have 5, and would need two schools. Cedar Hill would be sent away, and De Soto and Duncanville would be with DISD.

Either way you look at it, they're getting split.

It is the UIL, so you never know. But I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[allendad]

It would sure be exciting for Wylie to be slipped into District 8.

They are east of Plano.

They've had a great program that would bring even more zip to the district race.

Allendad

[alnegle07]

It would sure be exciting for Wylie to be slipped into District 8.

They are east of Plano.

They've had a great program that would bring even more zip to the district race.

Allendad


yah but theres a good chance we wont be district 8 any more

[AllenEagle06]

It would sure be exciting for Wylie to be slipped into District 8.

They are east of Plano.

They've had a great program that would bring even more zip to the district race.

Allendad
I'm almost positive Wylie will be in our district. I may be mistaken,but where else could they go that would geographically make sense other than with Allen and the Plano schools? It probably will not be district 8 anymore but that doesn't matter. We will probably be in Region 2 like we were 2 years ago.

Other than Wylie, I would also like to see Hebron moved into our district if that is in any way workable.

[The Lone Ranger]

I'm almost positive Wylie will be in our district. I may be mistaken,but where else could they go that would geographically make sense other than with Allen and the Plano schools? It probably will not be district 8 anymore but that doesn't matter. We will probably be in Region 2 like we were 2 years ago.

Other than Wylie, I would also like to see Hebron moved into our district if that is in any way workable.

In my opinion, Allen WILL be with Hebron...but won't be with Plano.

The new rule is 7-team districts. There are 71 Metroplex 5A teams- enough for 1 8-team district. Plano and the 4 RISD schools will be together, leaving room for at most, one other school. Wylie is further away from the rest of the schools, so they go there.

I think that Allen will be in 7-5A, with Lewisville ISD, Coppell, and Southlake Carroll.

[AllenEagle06]

In my opinion, Allen WILL be with Hebron...but won't be with Plano.

The new rule is 7-team districts. There are 71 Metroplex 5A teams- enough for 1 8-team district. Plano and the 4 RISD schools will be together, leaving room for at most, one other school. Wylie is further away from the rest of the schools, so they go there.

I think that Allen will be in 7-5A, with Lewisville ISD, Coppell, and Southlake Carroll.
Coppell and Southlake are both way too far away. That's like an hour drive for just Coppell. Plus 7-5A is in Region 1 when I think we're being put back in Region 2.

[The Lone Ranger]

Coppell is 35 minutes away from Allen according to Mapquest. Southlake is 45.

Flower Mound High School is 45 minutes away as well.

So there isn't any extensive travelling involved.

The facts remain...Wylie is farther away from Lewisville ISD then Allen is. With the UIL's rule on keeping school districts together, that means that the Plano, Wylie and Richardson district must have 8 teams. With the new 7-team rule, that means that Allen couldn't be in their district without forcing a 6-team district.

So Allen is going to be in a district with Lewisville ISD. That's 5 schools. You can add 2 other schools. The options would be: Jesuit, Coppell, GCISD, and Caroll.

Geographically, Coppell and Carroll are the best fit.

[dragonfootballfan]

Coppell is 35 minutes away from Allen according to Mapquest. Southlake is 45.

Flower Mound High School is 45 minutes away as well.

So there isn't any extensive travelling involved.

The facts remain...Wylie is farther away from Lewisville ISD then Allen is. With the UIL's rule on keeping school districts together, that means that the Plano, Wylie and Richardson district must have 8 teams. With the new 7-team rule, that means that Allen couldn't be in their district without forcing a 6-team district.

So Allen is going to be in a district with Lewisville ISD. That's 5 schools. You can add 2 other schools. The options would be: Jesuit, Coppell, GCISD, and Caroll.

Geographically, Coppell and Carroll are the best fit.
you forgot to include traffic in those times. Actually those are not the best fits for both Coppell and Carroll. Both of those schools have several 5A high schools within 15 minutes of them.

[AllenEagle06]

Coppell is 35 minutes away from Allen according to Mapquest. Southlake is 45.

Flower Mound High School is 45 minutes away as well.

So there isn't any extensive travelling involved.

The facts remain...Wylie is farther away from Lewisville ISD then Allen is. With the UIL's rule on keeping school districts together, that means that the Plano, Wylie and Richardson district must have 8 teams. With the new 7-team rule, that means that Allen couldn't be in their district without forcing a 6-team district.

So Allen is going to be in a district with Lewisville ISD. That's 5 schools. You can add 2 other schools. The options would be: Jesuit, Coppell, GCISD, and Caroll.

Geographically, Coppell and Carroll are the best fit.
:confused: That's a lot to take in at once but it sounds like you have your facts straighter than mine. I forgot about the 7 team per district rule so you may be right about the whole thing.

[bubbacoach]

Lone Ranger,
What do you base your information on? Educated Guess? Where did you hear these UIL rules and numbers? If you did not get them from UIL, they may or may not be correct. The UIL does things in strange ways and all sites that are offering educated guesses are doing just that. They are guessing. We will not know for sure until UIL lets us know.

[The Lone Ranger]

you forgot to include traffic in those times. Actually those are not the best fits for both Coppell and Carroll. Both of those schools have several 5A high schools within 15 minutes of them.

Neither Coppell or Carroll are inconvenienced...LISD borders both of them.

This was 7-5A last alignment. There was Jesuit (not for football) last time. Allen is equal distance away, so it really isn't anything new.

[dragonfootballfan]

Neither Coppell or Carroll are inconvenienced...LISD borders both of them.

This was 7-5A last alignment. There was Jesuit (not for football) last time. Allen is equal distance away, so it really isn't anything new.
They are inconvenienced when they have to drive 45 minutes not counting traffic when there are maybe 20 more 5A high schools within 20 minutes.

[The Lone Ranger]

They are inconvenienced when they have to drive 45 minutes not counting traffic when there are maybe 20 more 5A high schools within 20 minutes.

Nobody gets a perfect alignment. There are 71 Metroplex/Abilene/East Texas 5A schools. There have to be at least 7 teams per district. There must be 10 districts, so that comes out to 9 7-team districts and 1 8-team district.

3: Abilene, Abil. Cooper, Weatherford, Granbury, Burleson, North Crowley, FW Paschal
4: Mansfield, M. Summit, M. Timberview, Grand Prairie, South GP, Cedar Hill, Duncanville
5: Arlington, Houston, Bowie, Lamar, Martin, Euless Trinity, Hurst Bell
6: Grapevine, Heritage, Keller, Keller Central, Haltom, Richland, Justin Northwest
7: Lewisville, Flower Mound, Marcus, Hebron, Southlake Carroll, Allen, Coppell
8: Carrollton Creekview, C. Smith, C. Turner, Irving, I. MacArthur, I. Nimitz, Dallas Jesuit
9: Dallas Adams, Carter, Molina, Skyline, Sunset, White, Duncanville
10: Plano, Plano East, Plano West, Richardson, Berkner, Pearce, Lake Highlands, Wylie
11: Garland ISD x 7
12: Mesquite, North Mesquite, John Horn, Rockwall, Longview, Tyler, Tyler Lee

The only way I could see Carroll not being with LISD and Allen is if they put Grapevine & Heritage in that district. However, that wouldn't make sense. I doubt they'd have Coppell cross over GCISD, though they've done things like that in the past.

The main thing to remember is that you ARE Soutlake Carroll. If there's any benefit of the doubt, you probably WON'T be getting it.

[dragonfootballfan]

Allen just does not fit with the rest of the teams that you have put in 7-5A

[dragonsdaddy]

Nobody gets a perfect alignment. There are 71 Metroplex/Abilene/East Texas 5A schools. There have to be at least 7 teams per district. There must be 10 districts, so that comes out to 9 7-team districts and 1 8-team district.

3: Abilene, Abil. Cooper, Weatherford, Granbury, Burleson, North Crowley, FW Paschal
4: Mansfield, M. Summit, M. Timberview, Grand Prairie, South GP, Cedar Hill, Duncanville
5: Arlington, Houston, Bowie, Lamar, Martin, Euless Trinity, Hurst Bell
6: Grapevine, Heritage, Keller, Keller Central, Haltom, Richland, Justin Northwest
7: Lewisville, Flower Mound, Marcus, Hebron, Southlake Carroll, Allen, Coppell
8: Carrollton Creekview, C. Smith, C. Turner, Irving, I. MacArthur, I. Nimitz, Dallas Jesuit
9: Dallas Adams, Carter, Molina, Skyline, Sunset, White, Duncanville
10: Plano, Plano East, Plano West, Richardson, Berkner, Pearce, Lake Highlands, Wylie
11: Garland ISD x 7
12: Mesquite, North Mesquite, John Horn, Rockwall, Longview, Tyler, Tyler Lee

The only way I could see Carroll not being with LISD and Allen is if they put Grapevine & Heritage in that district. However, that wouldn't make sense. I doubt they'd have Coppell cross over GCISD, though they've done things like that in the past.

The main thing to remember is that you ARE Soutlake Carroll. If there's any benefit of the doubt, you probably WON'T be getting it.putting carroll with lisd means that we will again be driving through another school district, and they thru ours to get to district games. it would be more sensible to put gcisd with lisd, and have us go with the western grouping. imo.

[dragonfootballfan]

putting carroll with lisd means that we will again be driving through another school district, and they thru ours to get to district games. it would be more sensible to put gcisd with lisd, and have us go with the western grouping. imo.
well according to this guy we are Carroll and should have to be inconvenienced even though it would be stupid

[Slim-Rob]

I can't complain about districts because I live closer to Roosevelt than I do Judson, Wagner won't be far away, and the others in the district aren't far either. SV is the farthest, but its not that bad.


The only way to satisfy everybody would be to take all the major cities in Texas and move them hundreds of miles closer to each other. And we know thats not possible.

[dragonsdaddy]

Nobody gets a perfect alignment. There are 71 Metroplex/Abilene/East Texas 5A schools. There have to be at least 7 teams per district. There must be 10 districts, so that comes out to 9 7-team districts and 1 8-team district.

3: Abilene, Abil. Cooper, Weatherford, Granbury, Burleson, North Crowley, FW Paschal
4: Mansfield, M. Summit, M. Timberview, Grand Prairie, South GP, Cedar Hill, Duncanville
5: Arlington, Houston, Bowie, Lamar, Martin, Euless Trinity, Hurst Bell
6: Grapevine, Heritage, Keller, Keller Central, Haltom, Richland, Justin Northwest
7: Lewisville, Flower Mound, Marcus, Hebron, Southlake Carroll, Allen, Coppell
8: Carrollton Creekview, C. Smith, C. Turner, Irving, I. MacArthur, I. Nimitz, Dallas Jesuit
9: Dallas Adams, Carter, Molina, Skyline, Sunset, White, Duncanville
10: Plano, Plano East, Plano West, Richardson, Berkner, Pearce, Lake Highlands, Wylie
11: Garland ISD x 7
12: Mesquite, North Mesquite, John Horn, Rockwall, Longview, Tyler, Tyler Lee

The only way I could see Carroll not being with LISD and Allen is if they put Grapevine & Heritage in that district. However, that wouldn't make sense. I doubt they'd have Coppell cross over GCISD, though they've done things like that in the past.

The main thing to remember is that you ARE Soutlake Carroll. If there's any benefit of the doubt, you probably WON'T be getting it.
desoto may take one of duncanville's spots. .

[JagDad07]

I'm sure DeSoto was meant for the second one.

That District 5-5A that you listed could be pretty salty - Summit, SGP (only team to beat Trinity last year), Duncanville and Cedar Hill. That could indeed be much more fun than our District was this year.

[1footballnut]

I'm hearing alot of talk about 5-5a and 6-5a going to be made up of
Carroll,Trinity,Haltom,LD Bell, Richland,Grapevine,Heritage and Coppell would be a strong district.

[slorch]

They are inconvenienced when they have to drive 45 minutes not counting traffic when there are maybe 20 more 5A high schools within 20 minutes.
are you SERIOUSLY debating a 30 minute drive?

A. if an hour's drive is inconvenience, no wonder SLC didn't want to play at Nacogdoches

B. Talk to someone from Midland/ Odessa, Abilene, Lubbock, Amarillo, or especially San Angelo, and wonder how stupid you sound debating the short drive from Coppell/ SouthLake to Lewisville. Road trips are part of the game.

[dragonsdaddy]

are you SERIOUSLY debating a 30 minute drive?

A. if an hour's drive is inconvenience, no wonder SLC didn't want to play at Nacogdoches

B. Talk to someone from Midland/ Odessa, Abilene, Lubbock, Amarillo, or especially San Angelo, and wonder how stupid you sound debating the short drive from Coppell/ SouthLake to Lewisville. Road trips are part of the game.
we are only flapping our gums. you don't realize how ignorant you sound accepting these districts and then expecting them to be correct. i was simply pointing out that they have teams crossing each others districts to play in disricts beyond each other. been there done that.

[slorch]

ok, I get it. My apologies.

It still amazes me the difference in what different areas or communities consider " a long drive" or " inconvenience"

[dragonfootballfan]

ok, I get it. My apologies.

It still amazes me the difference in what different areas or communities consider " a long drive" or " inconvenience"
I probably used the wrong word when I said inconvenience. It is ridiculous for a school to have to cross two 5A districts (that are not in their own district) to play somebody in their district.

[kchsfan]

There are 26 5-A teams closer to Westfield and Spring than the district they are in with Beaumont/Port A.

Sometimes it does not make sense but the have to do something with Lufkin and they always getrotated around. Not really fair but they manage.

[The Lone Ranger]

It's just my prediction...what seems to make the most sense.

It's also possible that GCISD goes with LISD, and Coppell and Carroll go elsewhere.

But the Coppell/Southlake/Lewisville combination has been used in the past. It's fairly likely in my opinion that it will be brought back, with the addition of Allen instead of Jesuit this time around.

You never know. The UIL could put Carroll in a district with Abilene. So actually, the LISD district really wouldn't be too much of an inconvenience.

With the new 7-team rule, that means that 2-5A and 3-5A must consolidate, giving the Metroplex another district. It'll be very interesting to see what the UIL comes up with in a few weeks.

[Plano]

hmm lets see if these 4a players can step up like southlake and play with the BIG DOGS!!!

[ameiurus]

Has the UIL posted the school enrollments they will use for reallignments?

[dada]

There are 26 5-A teams closer to Westfield and Spring than the district they are in with Beaumont/Port A.

Sometimes it does not make sense but the have to do something with Lufkin and they always getrotated around. Not really fair but they manage.
Yeah you could probably stand at the top of George Stadium at Spring High School and see Aldine High School.

[blueraiders11]

all i know is that us and trinity will either be placed in the district we were in 2 years ago, only adding southlake/coppell and subtracting boswell/haltom, or with all the arlington schools.

[dragonsdaddy]

all i know is that us and trinity will either be placed in the district we were in 2 years ago, only adding southlake/coppell and subtracting boswell/haltom, or with all the arlington schools.
and exactly how do you "know" this? the uil has ways beyond reasoning sometimes.

[blueraiders11]

and exactly how do you "know" this? the uil has ways beyond reasoning sometimes.

never mind, i guess instead I mean thats what I would guess if I had to. If I were still playing I'd rather be in the Arlington district because its easier than the Irving/GP or North DFW districts and we would have a better shot.

[Primetime536]

never mind, i guess instead I mean thats what I would guess if I had to. If I were still playing I'd rather be in the Arlington district because its easier than the Irving/GP or North DFW districts and we would have a better shot.
anyone know if coves moving down?

[KT2000]

Everything I've heard so far has Waco and Cove going down to 4A.

[RidgePride]

Why wasn't SLC the 5-5A big school? Isn't SLC 2200 or so?
Fossil Ridge never reached the projected enrollment of 2400. They did enrollment figures without factoring in that a new high school was to open the following year. Ridge was supposed to have about 600 freshman two years ago but got about 300 (the other 300 went to Keller Central) and the subsequent year as well. On paper it showed we had 2400 studnets - in reality we were at 2100 the first year and 1900 the second year of alignment.

[RidgePride]

Quite simply, based on the last enrollment figures, Fossil Ridge had a larger enrollment than did Carroll.
We had a larger projected enrollment but SLC always had a bigger enrollment. I knew that two years ago - but no sense in arguing over it.

[blueraiders11]

RidgePride how are the players handling it? If we got moved down to 4A when I was playing I would be pretty mad and disappointed. With Fossil Ridge being a program on the rise its a shame to see them move down.

[The Lone Ranger]

I don't think that Ridge should feel bad about moving down to 4A. On the contrary, I think that they'll be in an easier district, and should be a major contender in 4A.

[RidgePride]

RidgePride how are the players handling it? If we got moved down to 4A when I was playing I would be pretty mad and disappointed. With Fossil Ridge being a program on the rise its a shame to see them move down.
From what I know, Ridge is excited about going to 4a. It is hard to compete when half your talent pool goes to a different high school two consecutive years.

I would have been disappointed too if I was still a player though. I always like to play the best. I heard LD Bell was close to going 4a two years ago.

[Oldlynx]

OK, here's what I want to know. Currently, San Angelo Central plays football in 2-5A, but in all other sports we compete in 3-5A. So, no district basketball games in Amarillo. Anyone think the UIL might do this to other districts for realignment? As far as I know, San Angelo Central is the only school in Texas that competes in two districts.

[drgnbkr]

We had a larger projected enrollment but SLC always had a bigger enrollment. I knew that two years ago - but no sense in arguing over it.

Division 1 representatives are based on current enrollment, not what was projected 2 years ago..that is used for 4A -5-A detirmination..Fridge was the D-1 rep from 5-A, so they were the largest of the 3, DR, Carroll and themselves who made the playoffs.

[dragonsfan]

OK, here's what I want to know. Currently, San Angelo Central plays football in 2-5A, but in all other sports we compete in 3-5A. So, no district basketball games in Amarillo. Anyone think the UIL might do this to other districts for realignment? As far as I know, San Angelo Central is the only school in Texas that competes in two districts.

Oldlynx, isn't there a second high school in San Angelo? Maybe 3A? I thought there was one, but could be wrong. If so, is keeping a 5A a pride matter for the town? That trip to Amarillo for a district game is a whooping that shouldn't happen to school kids.

[JagDad07]

San Angelo Central has more reason to gripe than any school in the state of Texas. You may very likely get the old "Little SWC" back, sans Abeliene schools, in the south zone of a reformulated 2-5A. That would involve y'all, the Midland and Odessa schools in teh south zone, and Lubbock/Amarillo in the north. Two schools from each zone go to playoffs.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

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Jan. 26, 2006, 12:16AM
HIGH SCHOOL NOTEBOOK
Coaches anxiously await reshuffling of the deck
UIL to announce new realignment next Thursday
By EMILY DAVIS
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
Next week, the Houston area is likely to see a collective spike in blood pressure among high school coaches.
National signing day is Wednesday, and many coaches have been working around the clock to help their players secure college scholarships in time for the big day. Those same coaches also have helped organize signing parties or ceremonies to celebrate the occasion.
But it won't be time to relax once signing day has passed. On Feb. 2, the University Interscholastic League will announce reclassifications and realignments. The long-awaited news will determine which districts and classifications schools will participate in for the next two seasons. After the announcement, coaches will begin making any necessary scheduling changes for the next two seasons.
In Class 4A, Klein Oak is expected to move back up to 5A. The school competed in 5A until the 2004-05 realignment period, when the Panthers were moved down to District 18-4A for two years.
Klein Oak started the 2005-06 school year with an attendance of 1,912, but attendance for next year is expected to be at more than 2,000. The Panthers will join Klein ISD counterparts Klein, Klein Collins and Klein Forest in its district.
"Once Wal-Mart and Chili's moved in at (FM) 2920 and Kuykendahl, things began booming, so we are expecting to move up," Klein Oak football coach David Smith said. "We're happy about that, too. Now we're comparing apples to apples because our numbers are up.
"For football, we'll have the most athletes come out than even when we were at 3,400. It's going to be a good year."
For 2005-06, nine Class 4A schools had 1,900 or more students enrolled. And in Class 5A, nine schools had 1,950 or fewer students enrolled. So movement between Class 5A and 4A should be the biggest changes for next year.
Because of the growth in the Houston area during the past two years, most independent school districts either fill one UIL district or are close neighbors with a counterpart.
The only 5A schools that will do major traveling will be those aligned with Beaumont West Brook and Port Arthur Memorial. For the past two years, Spring ISD, Humble ISD and Goose Creek ISD teams have played those schools. Although travel time from the Baytown schools isn't outrageous, Spring schools took nearly three-hour bus rides when playing PA Memorial.
"It's nothing against those schools at all," Smith said. "Coaches just would rather take a 10-minute drive to play. But the UIL looks at the bigger picture. They see the West Texas teams that have to travel long distances and they say our area doesn't have it that bad."
Three new Houston-area schools will open this season: Alvin ISD's Manvel (Class 4A), Humble ISD's Atascocita (Class 5A) and Cy-Fair ISD's Cypress Woods (Class 5A). And three more — The Woodlands College Park, Seven Lakes and Morton Ranch — opened after the 2004-05 realignment and will compete in varsity football next season.
Still, while the UIL is keeping quiet on realignment, officials already have announced a change. Football coaches will not be allowed to play their first games before Aug. 31 next season.
Beginning practice dates will stay the same for football, and teams again will be allowed to play no more than 10 regular-season games.
The 2006-07/2007-08 reclassification and realignment will be announced by the UIL at 9 a.m. on Feb. 2 at respective Regional Education Service Centers, three of which are in the area.
Schools will have until Feb. 13 to contest district assignments. Officials must obtain a unanimous vote from the district of their current assignment and the district to which they wish to move.
Assignment appeals will be heard by the UIL on Feb. 20. For more information, visit www.uil.utexas.edu.

[RidgePride]

Division 1 representatives are based on current enrollment, not what was projected 2 years ago..that is used for 4A -5-A detirmination..Fridge was the D-1 rep from 5-A, so they were the largest of the 3, DR, Carroll and themselves who made the playoffs.
Sir - you would be incorrect. The enrollment is a projection that is done every two years.

Ridge would've had 2400 students had Keller Central not opened up the year after alignment. UIL failed to take in account how many students would go to Keller Central and not Ridge.

It is noted that Ridge will go 4A for the next two years with 1920.5 students. During the football season we went D1 with the mythical 2400 students. We did not drop 500 students since football season.

[dragonsdaddy]

From what I know, Ridge is excited about going to 4a. It is hard to compete when half your talent pool goes to a different high school two consecutive years.

I would have been disappointed too if I was still a player though. I always like to play the best. I heard LD Bell was close to going 4a two years ago.
from stories i heard, it was more than half the pool. there was hardly a freshman class in football last year i heard.

[dragonsdaddy]

Sir - you would be incorrect. The enrollment is a projection that is done every two years.

Ridge would've had 2400 students had Keller Central not opened up the year after alignment. UIL failed to take in account how many students would go to Keller Central and not Ridge.

It is noted that Ridge will go 4A for the next two years with 1920.5 students. During the football season we went D1 with the mythical 2400 students. We did not drop 500 students since football season.
s clemens requested and got the uil to recount after a second school came online. had fridge done that, the et-slc game would have happened. just a thought.

[Oldlynx]

Oldlynx, isn't there a second high school in San Angelo? Maybe 3A? I thought there was one, but could be wrong. If so, is keeping a 5A a pride matter for the town? That trip to Amarillo for a district game is a whooping that shouldn't happen to school kids.

There's another 4A school - Lakeview. But it will be a few years before they redraw the boundaries and make it 5A. It's going to require a new school being built for Central, which no one sees happening in the near future. That would solve a lot of problems.

[blueraiders11]

quick! can someone tell me what day realignment is?

i remember when they did it in 2004 the old coaches told us after 1st period and we were disappointed because we expected to be in a different district and also we knew it was going to be hard.

[dragonsdaddy]

quick! can someone tell me what day realignment is?

i remember when they did it in 2004 the old coaches told us after 1st period and we were disappointed because we expected to be in a different district and also we knew it was going to be hard.
thursday, 2 feb

[The Lone Ranger]

I've got a free period at 9:45 so I'll get to find out then, provided the website doesn't collapse like it did 2 years ago.

[dragonsfan]

There's another 4A school - Lakeview. But it will be a few years before they redraw the boundaries and make it 5A. It's going to require a new school being built for Central, which no one sees happening in the near future. That would solve a lot of problems.

Thanks. I thought there was. But this just drives me crazy. A decent size city, far removed from most others, doesn't equalize its two schools, so they can include each other in district play? What is going on here? I went out to the UIL site after reading your response and see that Lake View is about 1,250 and San Angelo Central is 3,250 and both are in the same ISD, unlike "Abilene" Wylie which isn't part of the Abilene ISD. That makes Lake View a relatively small 4A and San Angelo a relatively large 5A! So all the trustees had to do was redraw the boundaries prior to October of 2005 and questimate the attendance and there would be two schools of about 2,250 population in San Angelo. Okay, so maybe Lake View wouldn't handle 2,250 due to its physical size. This just astounds me though. Believe me, I know the howls that would arise if the kids from San Angelo Central had to attend Lake View but why such a disparity in size?

[SanAngeloBobcat]

Lake View was originally an independent school district that was bailed out of a financial mess back in the 1950's by SAISD. Even though Lake View High School has been a part of SAISD for 50 years now, and the Lake View community has been in the San Angelo city limits even longer than that, there is still much of a division between the two "communities." Up until 3 years ago, Lake View played in its own sorely outdated and cramped football stadium because they refused to play in San Angelo Stadium (because SA Stadium is located on "the other side of town"), so there are many underlying issues at work here that if a person isn't familiar with San Angelo history, they wouldn't understand.

Several years ago, the LVHS campus burned and had to be rebuilt. At the time, some school board members wanted to do what should have been done a long time ago---redraw the boundaries, relieve the overcrowding at Central, and rebuild the LV campus big enough to house a 5A population, but the LV people sent up such a howl and caused so much drama that the school board backed down and rebuilt LV at virtually the same size it was before burning.

Future plans are to build a new Central High School campus and move the 9th graders to that campus. The plan calls for reducing the size of Central's population by redrawing boundary lines to increase LV's size by about 600 students to a large 4A (and thus reducing Central to a small 5A). There are currently no plans in the works to make LV a 5A based on the problems the school board encountered the last time that issue came up.

[dragonsfan]

Lake View was originally an independent school district that was bailed out of a financial mess back in the 1950's by SAISD. Even though Lake View High School has been a part of SAISD for 50 years now, and the Lake View community has been in the San Angelo city limits even longer than that, there is still much of a division between the two "communities." Up until 3 years ago, Lake View played in its own sorely outdated and cramped football stadium because they refused to play in San Angelo Stadium (because SA Stadium is located on "the other side of town"), so there are many underlying issues at work here that if a person isn't familiar with San Angelo history, they wouldn't understand.

Several years ago, the LVHS campus burned and had to be rebuilt. At the time, some school board members wanted to do what should have been done a long time ago---redraw the boundaries, relieve the overcrowding at Central, and rebuild the LV campus big enough to house a 5A population, but the LV people sent up such a howl and caused so much drama that the school board backed down and rebuilt LV at virtually the same size it was before burning.

Future plans are to build a new Central High School campus and move the 9th graders to that campus. The plan calls for reducing the size of Central's population by redrawing boundary lines to increase LV's size by about 600 students to a large 4A (and thus reducing Central to a small 5A). There are currently no plans in the works to make LV a 5A based on the problems the school board encountered the last time that issue came up.

Thanks for the local knowledge. Fifty years and still fighting that consolidation! LVHS wouldn't be the Johnny Rebs with the Stars and Bars on their flag and "Dixie" as their fight song would they?

[desotoeaglesgrad]

1. It wouldn't be a winnable appeal.

2. What makes sense to the rest of the world doesn't make sense to the UIL, and vice versa.

3. With the new rule that all districts must have 7 teams, there can be very few 8-team districts. Right now, it's looking like there will be 71 schools from Abilene, the Metroplex, and East Texas. If Belton stays up in 5A, there will be only 70, as JJ Pearce would be 4A. Pearce is the only true bubble school.

IF there are 71 school, the 8-team district that makes the most sense (and is the most geographically necessary) is Plano ISD, Richardson ISD, and Wylie. If there are 70, then that district will remain the same.

Thus, if Carter was forced to go to 5A, then you'd still have to split the districts. You'd simply have The Colony come up to 5A. It doesn't affect Southwest Dallas any less. DISD would have 5, and would need two schools. Cedar Hill would be sent away, and De Soto and Duncanville would be with DISD.

Either way you look at it, they're getting split.

It is the UIL, so you never know. But I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Actually, my hope comes from an appeal that did work in DeSoto's favor. In 2002 the UIL tried to place Rockwall and De Soto in the same district with the Tyler schools, Longview, & Lufkin. All 6 schools appealed, one thing led to another, and DeSoto was moved to 4-5A and Rockwall was placed with Garland & Mesquite schools. It might be harder to do this time, but it could be done. Besides, the Dallas ISD would hate it because they would have a hard time finishing above 3rd in just about every sport.

[The Lone Ranger]

Actually, my hope comes from an appeal that did work in DeSoto's favor. In 2002 the UIL tried to place Rockwall and De Soto in the same district with the Tyler schools, Longview, & Lufkin. All 6 schools appealed, one thing led to another, and DeSoto was moved to 4-5A and Rockwall was placed with Garland & Mesquite schools. It might be harder to do this time, but it could be done. Besides, the Dallas ISD would hate it because they would have a hard time finishing above 3rd in just about every sport.

The new UIL rule is that there must be 7 teams per district in 5A football. I don't know whether the UIL will accept changes with unanimous consent if it brings one district under 7 teams.

If they do, it wouldn't surprise me to see DeSoto in 4-5A with Mansfield ISD and Grand Prairie ISD.

And I wouldn't underestimate the DISD schools. Carter is really good in football and basketball every year, and Skyline can be competitive as well. And in the "country club sports," White and Adams are pretty strong (proportionately).

[The Lone Ranger]

Rivals has released their alignment projections.

They are availible here: http://texasprepxtra.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=507569

The following schools should rise to 5A from 4A: Keller Central, El Paso El Dorado, Klein Oak, Wylie, Justin Northwest, Brownsville Lopez, Houston Westbury, Lewisville Hebron, Channelview, Mansfield Timberview, Killeen Ellison, PSJA Memorial

New schools opening in 5A: Humble Atascocita, Katy Morton Ranch, Conroe-The Woodlands College Park, San Antonio (Northside) Stevens, Converse Wagner

Schools dropping from 5A to 4A: Corpus Christi Miller, Schertz Clemens, Saginaw Boswell, Dallas Samuell, Waco, Huntsville, San Antonio Jefferson, Eagle Pass, Houston Austin, Denton Ryan, Buda Hays, Austin Crockett, Keller Fossil Ridge, Copperas Cove, Corpus Christi Moody, San Antonio Lee, Lewisville The Colony

The Colony has an enrollment of 1976. HP has an enrollment of 1975 according to Rivals (but 1957.5 according to the DMN). El Paso Andress has an enrollment of 1974, and EP Del Valle is at 1961.5.

Of the schools in 5A, Richardson Pearce has an enrollment of 1980. Abilene Cooper was at 1989.5, Granbury at 1995, and McAllen Memorial at 2012.

There is some slight chance that one or two schools were wrong in their numbers, which might cause Pearce to fall to 4A or TCHS to go to 5A. It is still less likely that Abilene Cooper drops or Highland Park to rise.

HP won't be the biggest school in 4A this go around. If Rivals is right, they will be 2nd. If the DMN is right, they'll be 7th. So does that calm the conspiracy theorists?

[lonny23]

Rivals has released their alignment projections.

They are availible here: http://texasprepxtra.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=507569

The following schools should rise to 5A from 4A: Keller Central, El Paso El Dorado, Klein Oak, Wylie, Justin Northwest, Brownsville Lopez, Houston Westbury, Lewisville Hebron, Channelview, Mansfield Timberview, Killeen Ellison, PSJA Memorial

New schools opening in 5A: Humble Atascocita, Katy Morton Ranch, Conroe-The Woodlands College Park, San Antonio (Northside) Stevens, Converse Wagner

Schools dropping from 5A to 4A: Corpus Christi Miller, Schertz Clemens, Saginaw Boswell, Dallas Samuell, Waco, Huntsville, San Antonio Jefferson, Eagle Pass, Houston Austin, Denton Ryan, Buda Hays, Austin Crockett, Keller Fossil Ridge, Copperas Cove, Corpus Christi Moody, San Antonio Lee, Lewisville The Colony

The Colony has an enrollment of 1976. HP has an enrollment of 1975 according to Rivals (but 1957.5 according to the DMN). El Paso Andress has an enrollment of 1974, and EP Del Valle is at 1961.5.

Of the schools in 5A, Richardson Pearce has an enrollment of 1980. Abilene Cooper was at 1989.5, Granbury at 1995, and McAllen Memorial at 2012.

There is some slight chance that one or two schools were wrong in their numbers, which might cause Pearce to fall to 4A or TCHS to go to 5A. It is still less likely that Abilene Cooper drops or Highland Park to rise.

HP won't be the biggest school in 4A this go around. If Rivals is right, they will be 2nd. If the DMN is right, they'll be 7th. So does that calm the conspiracy theorists?
Not really. They can always say they'll have X number of 5A teams and not include HP.

[bubbacoach]

We will all know tommorrow morning, and then we can complain about where we are at.

[KT2000]

Bubba, did ddaddy write your signature? ;)

Yes, tomorrow we will know where we go for the next two years. Should be fun.

[bubbacoach]

Bubba, did ddaddy write your signature? ;)

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Why would you ask that?

[mad_fan]

Bubba, did ddaddy write your signature? ;)

Yes, tomorrow we will know where we go for the next two years. Should be fun.

Then you guys can make a sticky thread called...Re: UIL Realignment: What is known in Class 5A...