Was it a Bow?

[farmerfan]

Please discuss

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/White_House_No_bow_to_Saudi.html

[mad_fan]

please discuss

bow...

[mad_fan]

A one word answer isn't really 'discussing'...sorry farmer...
...
Okay...I've NEVER done THAT...and I've NEVER bowed to anyone...
It was a bow...
...
I'd bow to Queen...which his Obamaness didnt...then I'd follow through with a Chuck Norris to the forehead...

[JagFan]

If it wasn't a bow then what was it? Even the Saudis took it as a bow, according to the article.

[tayb]

Err... seems blatantly obvious? I would love to hear how someone can claim that isn't a bow...

[country club]

That was a bow. In my opinion The President Of The United States Of America, bows to NO MAN!!! If he so chooses he may bow to his maker and or his God. A total sign of weakness. Represent......Obama !

[JagFan]

Err... seems blatantly obvious? I would love to hear how someone can claim that isn't a bow...

It depends on what the defintion of is is. People bought it then and they are still buying it. And nobody will push them for an answer.

[dragons08]

How can you justify that as leaning down to him? He wasn't leaning into his ear or anything. That was blatant bow.

[mad_fan]

Err... seems blatantly obvious? I would love to hear how someone can claim that isn't a bow...

Tune in to the whitehouse...

[mad_fan]

How can you justify that as leaning down to him? He wasn't leaning into his ear or anything. That was blatant bow.

He leaned into the crotch...
Maybe it wasn't a bowjob...:D

[svhorns]

He leaned into the crouch...
Maybe it wasn't a bowjob...:D

lmao. That was indeed a bowjob.

[dragonsdaddy]

the breaking down of the american mystique is on schedule. without it's demise, the owo would never catch on. does anyone else feel like a frog in the stewpot? does that water feel like its quite a bit warmer?

[mojotrain]

lmao. That was indeed a bowjob.

lol either that or he was dropping on him like the mumps.

[rwilleby]

Just another example of Mr. Experience's lack of experience... I think they call that the "Community Organizer Curtsy"... Is is getting warm in here?

[tayb]

Just another example of Mr. Experience's lack of experience... I think they call that the "Community Organizer Curtsy"... Is is getting warm in here?

:laugh

[mad_fan]

lol either that or he was dropping on him like the mumps.

Is better to give...than receive...-RR:D

[15Adragon]

oBOWma

[DrEdward]

Of course it was a bow. Any attempt to say otherwise is just nonsense. His spin doctors should simply admit that he did so in his ongoing pandering efforts (they don't have to stipulate to that part) and let it go.

[dragons08]

Is better to give...than receive...-RR:D

RR receives

-Okt0ber

[farmerfan]

So the White House says it wasn't a bow.
Interesting, they spin it by saying it had everything to do with height difference. I find that even more interesting. As it has been pointed out, the Queen is all of 5'4 and he never did this with her or as Newt said earlier lets take a video of all the shorter guests that he has encountered and see how he goes about greeting them. Gotta love the spin of politicians.

[yankee]

what a total ***** move.

[Slim-Rob]

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4941/obamabow.jpg

his hand is crossing his body, he is past 45 degrees. You tell me.

[farmerfan]

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4941/obamabow.jpg

his hand is crossing his body, he is past 45 degrees. You tell me.

So does that mean he's black or muslim or what?
I forget since I heard so many things during the primaries and what not.
Oh yeah, I guess G-Damn America too :rolleyes::Censor:

[dragons08]

So does that mean he's black or muslim or what?
I forget since I heard so many things during the primaries and what not.
Oh yeah, I guess G-Damn America too :rolleyes::Censor:

He is whatever group of people he is speaking too.

ex)

He visits southlake, he is suddenly white.

[farmerfan]

He is whatever group of people he is speaking too.

ex)

He visits southlake, he is suddenly white.

I would piss on him if he ever visited Southlake.
Could that get me in trouble with teh SS?;)

[dragons08]

I would piss on him if he ever visited Southlake.
Could that get me in trouble with teh SS?;)

Patriot Act.

[tayb]

He is whatever is most appealing.

Anyone see that House episode with the guy who had Mirror Syndrome? Mimicked the most "dominant" person in the room...

[JMSFan]

So the White House says it wasn't a bow.
Interesting, they spin it by saying it had everything to do with height difference. I find that even more interesting. As it has been pointed out, the Queen is all of 5'4 and he never did this with her or as Newt said earlier lets take a video of all the shorter guests that he has encountered and see how he goes about greeting them. Gotta love the spin of politicians.

They are trying to use the Jedi mind trick on the public.

[F18mustang]

I'm on a Bowt.

[RedRage00]

Is better to give...than receive...-RR:D

RR receives

-Okt0ber

Yall be careful. I don't want yall to get this thread deleted because yall are talking about that kinda stuff. :rolleyes: ;)

[Bass]

He leaned into the crotch...
Maybe it wasn't a bowjob...:D

Hehehehehe. :D

[chhspantherfan]

Yall be careful. I don't want yall to get this thread deleted because yall are talking about that kinda stuff. :rolleyes: ;)

RR.....is that you?......I heard you moved to Vermont:rolleyes:

[Bass]

What a puss. Rolling over, three months in.

[RedRage00]

RR.....is that you?......I heard you moved to Vermont:rolleyes:

Yeah, with your dad.

[Bass]

Yeah, with your dad.

Lmao. :notworthy

[BDB]

bow... wow...wow

yippy yo yippy yay bow wow yippy yo yippy yay

[dragonpants]

I would piss on him if he ever visited Southlake.
Could that get me in trouble with teh SS?;)

Not at all. The cult ....ooops I mean residents would protect you. It was a bow and I do not want to spend too much time on Obama because it really, truly upsets me.

So please answer this. If a US president goes to Japan and bows as is a customary greeting and has nothing to do with a show of respect to royalty is that acceptable?

[dragonpants]

RR.....is that you?......I heard you moved to Vermont:rolleyes:

I thought Panther was in hiding.

[RedRage00]

I thought Panther was in hiding.

He's in the closet.

[pied]

Of course it was a bow. Any attempt to say otherwise is just nonsense. His spin doctors should simply admit that he did so in his ongoing pandering efforts (they don't have to stipulate to that part) and let it go.

exactly

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7026/bushbow.jpg

[mojotrain]

o bows to his king. 50 percent plus voters couldn't be wrong.


Where are the pinks?

[pied]

o bows to his king. 50 percent plus voters couldn't be wrong.


Where are the pinks?


Stating that it was a bow and looking at the picture of Bush doing the same to his king I assume?

[drgnbkr]

I would piss on him if he ever visited Southlake.
Could that get me in trouble with teh SS?;)

He tried to move in but had no game...;)

[farmerfan]

Stating that it was a bow and looking at the picture of Bush doing the same to his king I assume?

Bush is no longer in office and we are starting to see the trend for at least the next 4 years with Obama and his supporters. Bring up Bush to detract from O's failures or misques. Its getting old now. Barack, you've been in office for close to 100 days now, its time to quit mentioning Bush and start to get us out of this horrible mess your predecesor suppoesdly put us in.

[mojotrain]

Stating that it was a bow and looking at the picture of Bush doing the same to his king I assume?

I assume. Thanks for answering the call.

[farmerfan]

exactly

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7026/bushbow.jpg

Color me stupid or whatever you want, but that looks a lot like a freeze frame of Bush leaning over to accept a medal, it definitely looks as if the King is getting ready to put something around his neck.

[pied]

Color me stupid or whatever you want, but that looks a lot like a freeze frame of Bush leaning over to accept a medal, it definitely looks as if the King is getting ready to put something around his neck.

It would appear so. So bowing to accept a medal from this guy was ok?

[pack75]

I bow to no one but Almighty GOD.:notworthy

I don't care who they are! Not the Queen, the Pope, the King...not happening!

[pied]

Bush is no longer in office and we are starting to see the trend for at least the next 4 years with Obama and his supporters. Bring up Bush to detract from O's failures or misques. Its getting old now. Barack, you've been in office for close to 100 days now, its time to quit mentioning Bush and start to get us out of this horrible mess your predecesor suppoesdly put us in.


My mention of Bush was due to the fact it is a non-story. Except the fact that the WH denied it was a bow. It's a dumb side track.

[farmerfan]

It would appear so. So bowing to accept a medal from this guy was ok?

What was the medal for?
That being said, I still fail to see where Bush is the one being discussed and what his relevance to this is. If you would like to start a thread asking the difference between the two then by all means do so, It could be interesting to see the explinations we would get on that.
That said, when was the last time the President of the US bowed to anybody in a formal greeing?

[farmerfan]

My mention of Bush was due to the fact it is a non-story. Except the fact that the WH denied it was a bow. It's a dumb side track.

Didn't the WH also say a certain president didn't have sexual relations with that wmoan?
Didn't the WH also say their were WMD's in Iraq?

I wouldn't exactly call the WH the most reliable source in times like these now;)

[mojotrain]

My mention of Bush was due to the fact it is a non-story. Except the fact that the WH denied it was a bow. It's a dumb side track.

See pied, I took your post about Bush to mean that you had viewed a picture of Bush doing the same thing. You used it as a lie.

Now I wonder if that is a common thing with your post.

[pied]

Didn't the WH also say a certain president didn't have sexual relations with that wmoan?
Didn't the WH also say their were WMD's in Iraq?

I wouldn't exactly call the WH the most reliable source in times like these now;)

ummm I disagree with the WH. Just don't see this as a big deal.

[pied]

See pied, I took your post about Bush to mean that you had viewed a picture of Bush doing the same thing. You used it as a lie.

Now I wonder if that is a common thing with your post.

I did and I posted it.

Bowing to accept an award from someone = bowing to greet someone in my opinion. If it is not appropriate to do one it is not appropriate to do the other in my opinion.

[pack75]

Not at all. The cult ....ooops I mean residents would protect you. It was a bow and I do not want to spend too much time on Obama because it really, truly upsets me.

So please answer this. If a US president goes to Japan and bows as is a customary greeting and has nothing to do with a show of respect to royalty is that acceptable?

This would be fine because the "bow" is returned...kind of like hugging...it would suck to hug someone as a greeting and they don't hug you back. :D

Now bowing to someone (other than GOD) as a sign of "respect"/royalty/worship...that's a no no (speaking for myself;)).

[chhspantherfan]

Not in hiding D'Pants.....out of my mind with all of my athletes in different directions. I know you can relate. Between their schedules and my work travel schedule the last two months, I have been more of a drive by poster. Am looking forward to Spring Ball in two weeks. Need to see what the weight room did to some of our Pups. Cautiously optimistic. We open with Cedar Hill so we will find out real quick.


As for you, RR. I would say go play in traffic. But I would hate to lose all of your posting prowess. :rolleyes:

[15Adragon]

I did and I posted it.

Bowing to accept an award from someone = bowing to greet someone in my opinion. If it is not appropriate to do one it is not appropriate to do the other in my opinion.

I say bull. Bush was bending to allow him to put the award on his neck. It was not a greeting. What would the oBOWma folks do without Bush? Let's see they can teach their kids to be fine victims. Bush ate my homework. Bush made me late. Bush told me not to do that. Quit being victims and do something and accept responsibility for what you do. You won the election now step up and lead. Move forward, set the direction, sell and implement your vision. Man, I can't stand all of the weak bull. Show some courage to follow your own convictions. They can't cuz they have none of either.

[RedRage00]

Not in hiding D'Pants.....out of my mind with all of my athletes in different directions. I know you can relate. Between their schedules and my work travel schedule the last two months, I have been more of a drive by poster. Am looking forward to Spring Ball in two weeks. Need to see what the weight room did to some of our Pups. Cautiously optimistic. We open with Cedar Hill so we will find out real quick.


As for you, RR. I would say go play in traffic. But I would hate to lose all of your posting prowess. :rolleyes:

Why are you so obsessed with me? You come out of the closet just to post smart @$$ comments to me. Do you have a huge lesbian crush on me or what?

Go DIAF.

[pied]

I say bull. Bush was bending to allow him to put the award on his neck. It was not a greeting. What would the oBOWma folks do without Bush? Let's see they can teach their kids to be fine victims. Bush ate my homework. Bush made me late. Bush told me not to do that. Quit being victims and do something and accept responsibility for what you do. You won the election now step up and lead. Move forward, set the direction, sell and implement your vision. Man, I can't stand all of the weak bull. Show some courage to follow your own convictions. They can't cuz they have none of either.

Like I stated, that is my opinion. It's not a big deal to me. As a Bush supporter, I don't feel I am using him as a scapegoat, merely as an example of peoples' hypocrisy.

[pack75]

Guys...seriously...George W. Bush was the WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY...do you really think his name will never come up in presidential discussions.

Sorry but he will be brought up for a while...he just left a few months ago...the wounds have not healed just yet. ;)

[mojotrain]

I did and I posted it.

Bowing to accept an award from someone = bowing to greet someone in my opinion. If it is not appropriate to do one it is not appropriate to do the other in my opinion.

You might consider a preface to your future post that you sometimes don't tell the truth and that going down is going down, no matter the reason.

[pied]

You might consider a preface to your future post that you sometimes don't tell the truth and that going down is going down, no matter the reason.

I agree with you. Bowing for a greeting is equally bad/good as bowing to accept an award from the same person.

Not certain we disagree.

I was going to make a joke about going down, but have refrained.

[smw358]

Guys...seriously...George W. Bush was the WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY...do you really think his name will never come up in presidential discussions.

Sorry but he will be brought up for a while...he just left a few months ago...the wounds have not healed just yet. ;)

Come on.....it took Bush eight years to earn that title.....Obama is running a close second within 60 days.

Regarding Obama bowing to the Saudi King.....it should not come as a surprise. When an inferior Muslim meets a higher Muslim....isn't that the custom? ;)

[mojotrain]

I agree with you. Bowing for a greeting is equally bad/good as bowing to accept an award from the same person.

Not certain we disagree.

I was going to make a joke about going down, but have refrained.

If you look at it you might consider his action as a courtsy. Thats a completly different argument.

Please don't agree with me on a public forum.

[pack75]

Come on.....it took Bush eight years to earn that title....Obama is running a close second within 60 days.

Regarding Obama bowing to the Saudi King.....it should not come as a surprise. When an inferior Muslim meets a higher Muslim....isn't that the custom? ;)

You sound like the White House now. :D;)

It didn't take that long buddy.

[JMSFan]

I did and I posted it.

Bowing to accept an award from someone = bowing to greet someone in my opinion. If it is not appropriate to do one it is not appropriate to do the other in my opinion.

Thats dumb.

[pied]

Come on.....it took Bush eight years to earn that title.....Obama is running a close second within 60 days.

Regarding Obama bowing to the Saudi King.....it should not come as a surprise. When an inferior Muslim meets a higher Muslim....isn't that the custom? ;)

Apparently not.

King Abdullah, as king of Saudi Arabia, home to the holiest muslim pilgrimage sites, is the supreme leader of the clandestine Muslim global conquest brotherhood. Barack Obama, as a member of this league is a subordinate to the King. It states clearly in the Koran, Page 356, Subsection 3, Line 5, that any member of the Clandestine Muslim Global Conquest Brotherhood, must bow, at the waist, to the supreme leader of the movement.

[BDB]

Thats dumb.

lowering your head to someone to recieve an award seems show humility, to me. bowing for the medal isn't as blatant as bowing as a hello, but it doesn't show power in my eyes.

[tayb]

http://www.planetpinkngreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bow-parts.gif



No. There was clearly no bow involved in the video I saw.

[dragonsdaddy]

I did and I posted it.

Bowing to accept an award from someone = bowing to greet someone in my opinion. If it is not appropriate to do one it is not appropriate to do the other in my opinion.

if one is receiving a gold medal at the olympics, it is customary to bend forward at the waist, to be courteous to the presenter who otherwise may have to hand you the medal? as opposed to bowing in deference to another, in a greeting situation. there is a difference, whether pied wants there to be or not.

[RedRage00]

Who give's a rats @$$

[BDB]

if one is receiving a gold medal at the olympics, it is customary to bend forward at the waist, to be courteous to the presenter who otherwise may have to hand you the medal? as opposed to bowing in deference to another, in a greeting situation. there is a difference, whether pied wants there to be or not.

why?

[farmerfan]

http://www.planetpinkngreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/bow-parts.gif



No. There was clearly no bow involved in the video I saw.

Oh wow. aggy attempts to crack a funny. Please oh aggy one, how would thee have spelt it?

[DragonWatcher]

It's going to be a really long 4 years for many you throwing hissy fits over the fact that he bowed. Word to the wise, save your anger for things that actually matter that he does like his budget proposal. If you get your panties in a wad everytime he does something like this it seems overly petty and irrational, which lessons the affect of your true anger when it really counts.

[pied]

if one is receiving a gold medal at the olympics, it is customary to bend forward at the waist, to be courteous to the presenter who otherwise may have to hand you the medal? as opposed to bowing in deference to another, in a greeting situation. there is a difference, whether pied wants there to be or not.

Didn't bother me when Bush gave him a peck:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l176/musiclover1992/BushSaudiKing.jpg

WAlked with him holding hands:

http://img.wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/03/bushab.jpg

This picture was funnier to me even ar in arm:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20080115/0013729e477108f6e02012.jpg



Please feel free to be outraged though.

[farmerfan]

It's going to be a really long 4 years for many you throwing hissy fits over the fact that he bowed. Word to the wise, save your anger for things that actually matter that he does like his budget proposal. If you get your panties in a wad everytime he does something like this it seems overly petty and irrational, which lessons the affect of your true anger when it really counts.

Gee, I guess this would have been sound and great advice over the last 8 years but I don't seem to recall this being the mindset. My advice to you is to grow thicker skin. THere's a great saying about Karma and it sures does seem to apply here

[tayb]

Oh wow. aggy attempts to crack a funny. Please oh aggy one, how would thee have spelt it?

It was a joke pal. You spelled it correctly. WOW. :rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

It was a joke pal. You spelled it correctly. WOW. :rolleyes:

Yes I am aware of the spelling aggy, your attempt at a joke is mass failure though.

[tayb]

Yes I am aware of the spelling aggy, your attempt at a joke is mass failure though.

Blah blah blah

Do you post my name on the wall in your bedroom too?

[DragonWatcher]

Gee, I guess this would have been sound and great advice over the last 8 years but I don't seem to recall this being the mindset. My advice to you is to grow thicker skin. THere's a great saying about Karma and it sures does seem to apply here

This is the same advice I gave to every liberal the last 8 years who would get pissed at the simplest thing Bush did. The same holds true for them. Do you honestly think Congress takes code pink seriously or cindy sheehan, bill maher etc? You look like a tool regardless of your side.

[JMSFan]

lowering your head to someone to recieve an award seems show humility, to me. bowing for the medal isn't as blatant as bowing as a hello, but it doesn't show power in my eyes.

Obama was showing the king that he wasnt arrogant and derisive like the rest of us Americans. :D

[DrEdward]

This is the same advice I gave to every liberal the last 8 years who would get pissed at the simplest thing Bush did. The same holds true for them. Do you honestly think Congress takes code pink seriously or cindy sheehan, bill maher etc? You look like a tool regardless of your side.

I think it is a bigger deal that the White House blatantly attempted to mislead, shoot, lie to the public into believing that there was no bow by Obama. That is far more revealing than the bow in and of itself. Evidently, Obama's staff thought his actions sufficiently serious to engage in such activity.

[JMSFan]

I think it is a bigger deal that the White House blatantly attempted to mislead, shoot, lie to the public into believing that there was no bow by Obama. That is far more revealing than the bow in and of itself. Evidently, Obama's staff thought his actions sufficiently serious to engage in such activity.

Good point. Thats why I brought up that the WH was doing the Jedi mind trick on us.

the public : "He just bowed"

the WH : " No, he did not bow"

the public : " No, he did not bow"

[BDB]

Obama was showing the king that he wasnt arrogant and derisive like the rest of us Americans. :D

(not trying to make this about bush) wasn't dubuya's administration hated by the middle-east for not following their codes of ethics? (i.e showing the sole of their shoes, ect). so why not try to smooth things over by showing respect to the king?

idk, i guess i don't hate obama enough to see it.

[BDB]

I think it is a bigger deal that the White House blatantly attempted to mislead, shoot, lie to the public into believing that there was no bow by Obama. That is far more revealing than the bow in and of itself. Evidently, Obama's staff thought his actions sufficiently serious to engage in such activity.

this.

[JMSFan]

(not trying to make this about bush) wasn't dubuya's administration hated by the middle-east for not following their codes of ethics? (i.e showing the sole of their shoes, ect). so why not try to smooth things over by showing respect to the king?

idk, i guess i don't hate obama enough to see it.

I understand that. Why didnt the WH just say that?

[pack75]

(not trying to make this about bush) wasn't dubuya's administration hated by the middle-east for not following their codes of ethics? (i.e showing the sole of their shoes, ect). so why not try to smooth things over by showing respect to the king?

idk, i guess i don't hate obama enough to see it.

Only if the king bows back. ;)

[BDB]

I understand that. Why didnt the WH just say that?

because any PR at the WH seems to be too scared of the truth and how the public will react to an actuality, IMO.

[BDB]

Only if the king bows back. ;)

or gives him something? :confused:

[dragonsdaddy]

Didn't bother me when Bush gave him a peck:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l176/musiclover1992/BushSaudiKing.jpg

WAlked with him holding hands:

http://img.wonkette.com/assets/resources/2007/03/bushab.jpg

This picture was funnier to me even ar in arm:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20080115/0013729e477108f6e02012.jpg



Please feel free to be outraged though.
last i checked in a reread, i only compared one to the other. no outrage described, implicit or otherwise. you seemed to be implying in your photo, that bush accepting an award was no different than bowing in what could be perceived as deference by o'bama. i don't see olympic athletes as being subservient to the presenter. i do see gents bowing to their queen as being the lesser.

[15Adragon]

If oBOWma would have just said he forgot he was prez for a sec and bowed or said I did it without thinking then it would not have been that big a deal. Instead he makes a mess out of it and looks weak and lost at best. He needs to fire a few of the wimps that are giving him advice.

It is the cover up that gets you...

[chunky79]

that wasnt a bow, that was a curtsey :D

[smw358]

that wasnt a bow, that was a curtsey :D

Maybe he was just getting in position to kiss his azzz!

[BDB]

Maybe he was just getting in position to kiss his azzz!

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20080115/0013729e477108f6e02012.jpg .

brown-noser, or man-lover....take your pick

[JMSFan]

brown-noser, or man-lover....take your pick

They are all politicians, I guess we shouldnt expect anything less.

[BDB]

They are all politicians, I guess we shouldnt expect anything less.

exactly.

[CyFallsMom]

He's either:

1) Bowing subserviantly so that he can take it up the yin yang

2) The king just cracked a really good joke and he's bent over in mirth

3) He lost a contact

4) His knees buckled due to the pressure of being in a room of his own kind

5) He's an idiot who cares nothing for America and what she truly stands for

The Answer Is: Clearly it's 1 and 5.:)

[CyFallsMom]

brown-noser, or man-lover....take your pick


Well at least he's not bent over in subserviance. He's just having a good old boy moment.

[pied]

last i checked in a reread, i only compared one to the other. no outrage described, implicit or otherwise. you seemed to be implying in your photo, that bush accepting an award was no different than bowing in what could be perceived as deference by o'bama. i don't see olympic athletes as being subservient to the presenter. i do see gents bowing to their queen as being the lesser.


or bowing to a competitor befire a sporting event, Karate Kid comes to mind.

[BDB]

Well at least he's not bent over in subserviance. He's just having a good old boy moment.

i thought good ole' boys hated homosexuality.... oh you funny funny hypocritical "conservative" :)

[CyFallsMom]

i thought good ole' boys hated homosexuality.... oh you funny funny hypocritical "conservative" :)

Um...huh??? Bush wasn't bowing in any of the pictures posted. He knew not to do that. Now, if you are talking about Obama, he was bowing. But how does homosexuality play into what I posted just above (other than item #1 on my first post which was a joke to begin with)? Believe me, in many cultures, holding hands of the same sex is considered very normal. My Italian in-laws think nothing of that or putting their arm around me. Doesn't mean they want to have sex with me!!! They also kiss me on each cheek every time they see me - again, nothing is implied but a greeting.

[BDB]

Um...huh??? Bush wasn't bowing in any of the pictures posted. He knew not to do that. Now, if you are talking about Obama, he was bowing. But how does homosexuality play into what I posted just above (other than item #1 on my first post which was a joke to begin with)? Believe me, in many cultures, holding hands of the same sex is considered very normal. My Italian in-laws think nothing of that or putting their arm around me. Doesn't mean they want to have sex with me!!! They also kiss me on each cheek every time they see me - again, nothing is implied but a greeting.

so basically, we're picking what non-american customs are deemed ok for presidents to follow?

and i lol'ed real loud at the bolded part.

[F18mustang]

I'm still on a bowt.

[pack75]

so basically, we're picking what non-american customs are deemed ok for presidents to follow?

and i lol'ed real loud at the bolded part.

I thought her post sounded a bit off.

[BDB]

I'm still on a bowt.

http://www.musicvideocast.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/the-loney-island-im-on-a-boat-ft-t-pain-clean.jpg

[smw358]

They are all politicians, I guess we shouldnt expect anything less.

Oh yes....the list of azzz kissers in Washington is long and distinguished!

[pack75]

Um...huh??? Bush wasn't bowing in any of the pictures posted. He knew not to do that. Now, if you are talking about Obama, he was bowing. But how does homosexuality play into what I posted just above (other than item #1 on my first post which was a joke to begin with)? Believe me, in many cultures, holding hands of the same sex is considered very normal. My Italian in-laws think nothing of that or putting their arm around me. Doesn't mean they want to have sex with me!!! They also kiss me on each cheek every time they see me - again, nothing is implied but a greeting.

I see that CFM has had her daily glass of:

http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2006/bush-kool-aid-bof.jpg

[rwilleby]

I see that CFM has had her daily glass of:

http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/2006/bush-kool-aid-bof.jpg

We try, but she just won't drink it!

I think the real deal is that the WH is denying the whole thing even happened... So he might have made a mistake... Am I less an American because of it? No... Now, the liars and cheater in the WH scare me more than the POTUS slipping up on his protocol crap... That may mean more to me than anything... Hell, they can't even talk without telling a lie about it... Video, we have video... Hello?

[mojotrain]

brown-noser, or man-lover....take your pick

Neither, Bush has a knife in his hand.

[pied]

Neither, Bush has a knife in his hand.

And a pucker on his lips.

[pack75]

We try, but she just won't drink it!


Okay, now you're sounding like the WH too. :D

[CyFallsMom]

so basically, we're picking what non-american customs are deemed ok for presidents to follow?

and i lol'ed real loud at the bolded part.

It's called "PROTOCOL" and while some see the Obama's lack of PROTOCOL as cute, I see it differently. Why didn't he bow to Elizabeth - oh yeah, she's not of his world!! He shows his true colors clearer every day. No POTUS should be bowing - we are not subjects of other countries - he might be but the rest of us aren't and he represents the US on these trips.

[CyFallsMom]

We try, but she just won't drink it!

I think the real deal is that the WH is denying the whole thing even happened... So he might have made a mistake... Am I less an American because of it? No... Now, the liars and cheater in the WH scare me more than the POTUS slipping up on his protocol crap... That may mean more to me than anything... Hell, they can't even talk without telling a lie about it... Video, we have video... Hello?

I don't drink anyone's kool-aid. Bush wasn't perfect either but I sure felt more peace of mind when he was around. Can't explain why except that he didn't give in or tell others that our country is vain and full of itself.

EDIT: I do drink of the Johnny Depp, Colin Firth, Dominic Cooper, Brad Pitt kool-aid;)

[CyFallsMom]

Neither, Bush has a knife in his hand.

And he knew how to use it if necessary!

[CyFallsMom]

I thought her post sounded a bit off.

Yeah? Well, maybe in another world it was.

[pack75]

And he knew how to use it if necessary!

CFM, please take it easy on the Bush kool-aid...you're not sharing it with the rest of the crew...did someone actually say you don't drink it???
They're right.....you gulp it down!:eek:;)

[CyFallsMom]

CFM, please take it easy on the Bush kool-aid...you're not sharing it with the rest of the crew...did someone actually say you don't drink it???
They're right.....you gulp it down!:eek:;)

I'm not a great Bush fan - I think he's a decent human being and good person but I didn't always agree with the things he did. No kool-aid on my part at all. I didn't think McCain or Palin were the complete answer either. But Obama selling us down the river at every turn isn't helping matters. His arrogance is over the top too - as is that of so many of his supporters. And the 911 calls about shrimp and McNuggets? That's just a small part of what is to come because Obama says it's OK to be entitled for some folks out there.

[pack75]

I'm not a great Bush fan - I think he's a decent human being and good person but I didn't always agree with the things he did. No kool-aid on my part at all. I didn't think McCain or Palin were the complete answer either. But Obama selling us down the river at every turn isn't helping matters. His arrogance is over the top too - as is that of so many of his supporters. And the 911 calls about shrimp and McNuggets? That's just a small part of what is to come because Obama says it's OK to be entitled for some folks out there.

I'm just giving you a hard time CMF. :);)

But I'm not seeing this arrogance thing that you're mentioning...elaborate on that please because I don't see it.

And the 911 over shrimp and McNuggets...what did that have to do with Obama...maybe I'm a little late here.:confused:

[CyFallsMom]

I'm just giving you a hard time CMF. :);)

But I'm not seeing this arrogance thing that you're mentioning...elaborate on that please because I don't see it.

And the 911 over shrimp and McNuggets...what did that have to do with Obama...maybe I'm a little late here.:confused:

It has nothing to do with him directly but these ladies who made the calls, in my opinion, are thinking they are entitled to service that others aren't and using 911 illegally to boot. I just feel that there are people who now think they are entitled to special treatment because he has made them feel that way. It's just my opinon....may be false but that's how I view it. I have never felt like I was supposed to get special treatment from any POTUS....ever!

And the arrogance is in the way he is running things - like he has a blank slate to work with and no rules.

[RedRage00]

This thread is HILARIOUS! lol

[pack75]

It has nothing to do with him directly but these ladies who made the calls, in my opinion, are thinking they are entitled to service that others aren't and using 911 illegally to boot. I just feel that there are people who now think they are entitled to special treatment because he has made them feel that way. It's just my opinon....may be false but that's how I view it. I have never felt like I was supposed to get special treatment from any POTUS....ever!

And the arrogance is in the way he is running things - like he has a blank slate to work with and no rules.

Elaborate please.

I'm still lost here. :confused:

Who were the people that made the 911 call feeling they deserved special treatment???

[CyFallsMom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0feH-2SwZaI

and

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/weird/Diner_Dials_911_over_Shrimp_O

One is in Haltom - they are both idiots.

So, they either feel they deserve special treatment and it's ok to call 911 to get it OR they are mentally incapable of rational thought - probably the second actually. I just like to blame it all on Obama just as the libs did before he was there on Bush, Bush I and Reagan.

And if it weren't so ludicrous and dangerous, these calls would be funny just because of what they are saying.

[pack75]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0feH-2SwZaI

and

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/weird/Diner_Dials_911_over_Shrimp_O

One is in Haltom - they are both idiots.

So, they either feel they deserve special treatment and it's ok to call 911 to get it OR they are mentally incapable of rational thought - probably the second actually. I just like to blame it all on Obama just as the libs did before he was there on Bush, Bush I and Reagan.

And if it weren't so ludicrous and dangerous, these calls would be funny just because of what they are saying.

Okay I think I see where you are going with your statement... "I just feel that there are people who now think they are entitled to special treatment because he has made them feel that way."

Let's stop beating around the bush here and be a grown woman and say what you mean (if it's what I think it is...you won't type it publicly)...I'd rather not make assumptions though. ;)

[CyFallsMom]

Okay I think I see where you are going with your statement... "I just feel that there are people who now think they are entitled to special treatment because he has made them feel that way."

Let's stop beating around the bush here and be a grown woman and say what you mean (if it's what I think it is...you won't type it publicly)...I'd rather not make assumptions though. ;)

Your point would be? I have a sister who is just as ignorant as these two - takes her kids to the hospital at least twice a week - reminds me of Octomom. Oh, and she loves Obama - he is going to help her pay for her house!! She hasn't worked in years either. Her husband has a low paying job and yet, they get all sorts of freebies.

I'm not "going" anywhere with my statement. And it's not what you are thinking btw - ignorance is color blind. I just think those women are idiots for thinking 911 should be called and then keeping them on the line - meanwhile, there may be a fire somewhere but the nuggets are more important. Believe me when I say I know quite a few people of color who feel the same way I do about Obama. Remember, he's half white.

[hoo2ers]

Guys...seriously...George W. Bush was the WORST PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY...
Folks that claim Bush to be the worst, then elect Urkel...lose all credibility.

[pack75]

Your point would be? I have a sister who is just as ignorant as these two - takes her kids to the hospital at least twice a week - reminds me of Octomom. Oh, and she loves Obama - he is going to help her pay for her house!! She hasn't worked in years either. Her husband has a low paying job and yet, they get all sorts of freebies.

I'm not "going" anywhere with my statement. And it's not what you are thinking btw - ignorance is color blind. I just think those women are idiots for thinking 911 should be called and then keeping them on the line - meanwhile, there may be a fire somewhere but the nuggets are more important. Belive me when I say I know quite a few people of color who feel the same way I do about Obama. Remember, he's half white.

Well it's obvious that some people feel this way...which is so rude. We get a black President (not 100% but heck I'm not 100% just one race/culture) and now a lot of people are showing their true colors ("coming out of the racist closet"). It's pretty silly to me.

You know what's funny.....it seems you always have some sort of relative/friend pertaining to every subject/situation on this board. :D

[pack75]

Folks that claim Bush to be the worst, then elect Urkel...lose all credibility.

[Urkel voice]..."Did YOU do thaaaat?"

[CyFallsMom]

Well it's obvious that some people feel this way...which is so rude. We get a black President (not 100% but heck I'm not 100% just one race/culture) and now a lot of people are showing their true colors ("coming out of the racist closet"). It's pretty silly to me.

You know what's funny.....it seems you always have some sort of relative/friend pertaining to every subject/situation on this board. :D

You want dysfunctional? Hang out with my mom's side for a while;). I have an example for just about every dysfunction out there from that side. Needless to say, I have little to do with them. She kept me away from my dad's side my whole life telling me what werido's they were and then when he died, I met many of them - wonderful folks actually. Educated too. It was nice. She couldn't stand it because they never cared for her. I realized I truly didn't get her genes - thank goodness. I use not only family and friends as examples but people I've met in life that may pertain to a particular subject. I like to paint a picture to make my point.

And, by the way, I'm part Choctaw so I'm not 100% white either. I just look like I am:D

[smw358]

Well it's obvious that some people feel this way...which is so rude. We get a black President (not 100% but heck I'm not 100% just one race/culture) and now a lot of people are showing their true colors ("coming out of the racist closet"). It's pretty silly to me.

You know what's funny.....it seems you always have some sort of relative/friend pertaining to every subject/situation on this board. :D

Why don't we quit calling him a black president and just call him President? Why can't he just be an American? I hate hyphenated Americans...

[mojotrain]

Folks that claim Bush to be the worst, then elect Urkel...lose all credibility.

This!

[pack75]

You want dysfunctional? Hang out with my mom's side for a while;). I have an example for just about every dysfunction out there from that side. Needless to say, I have little to do with them. She kept me away from my dad's side my whole life telling me what werido's they were and then when he died, I met many of them - wonderful folks actually. Educated too. It was nice. She couldn't stand it because they never cared for her. I realized I truly didn't get her genes - thank goodness. I use not only family and friends as examples but people I've met in life that may pertain to a particular subject. I like to paint a picture to make my point.

And, by the way, I'm part Choctaw so I'm not 100% white either. I just look like I am:D

NO FREAKING WAY??!! Are you serious!

Me too! Seriously!

[CyFallsMom]

Well it's obvious that some people feel this way...which is so rude. We get a black President (not 100% but heck I'm not 100% just one race/culture) and now a lot of people are showing their true colors ("coming out of the racist closet"). It's pretty silly to me.

You know what's funny.....it seems you always have some sort of relative/friend pertaining to every subject/situation on this board. :D

And I have to add one more thing - people of other races are showing their racist colors as well as those who are white. I am not a racist - I won't go into that again because I was raised by a father who felt we were all equal. I showed my daughter my old house the other day and she asked who lived in the houses across the creek - very old homes too. I told her that was the black family that most kids weren't allowed to play with - except us. She was shocked that they were treated like that. Just because one doesn't like Obama does not make them racist and I'm tired of that thought process - it's a cop out.

[pack75]

Why don't we quit calling him a black president and just call him President? Why can't he just be an American? I hate hyphenated Americans...

This.

[CyFallsMom]

NO FREAKING WAY??!! Are you serious!

Me too! Seriously!

Yep. My sister got her tribal card the other day - I have put it off for years but there are some good things to be said for having one. Like college grants and such. Guess I'll just have to grab some freebies myself - OMG - I think I might be entitled!!

I have family up there in OK who are VERY Choctaw.

[pack75]

Yep. My sister got her tribal card the other day - I have put it off for years but there are some good things to be said for having one. Like college grants and such. Guess I'll just have to grab some freebies myself - OMG - I think I might be entitled!!

I have family up there in OK who are VERY Choctaw.

I haven't got the tribal card and all that stuff but my Choctaw relatives are from Louisiana (maybe OK as well). We have just recently been on the quest of researching our roots and discovered this.

We may be related. :D

[CyFallsMom]

I haven't got the tribal card and all that stuff but my Choctaw relatives are from Louisiana (maybe OK as well). We have just recently been on the quest of researching our roots and discovered this.

We may be related. :D


They originally lived in Mississippi and Louisiana and then the government moved them (or most of them) to OK - it was called the Trail of Tears. We must be related:D. My sister has done extensive geneological research and gave us each a very thick document she put together on our Choctaw branch.

Now on my dad's side, it's all European...but they don't offer cards that I know of;)

[pack75]

They originally lived in Mississippi and Louisiana and then the government moved them (or most of them) to OK - it was called the Trail of Tears. We must be related:D. My sister has done extensive geneological research and gave us each a very thick document she put together on our Choctaw branch.

Now on my dad's side, it's all European...but they don't offer cards that I know of;)

We may have to PM each other about this soon. ;)

We really may be related. I have some close relatives that look white as well. :)

I'm red though. ;)

[rwilleby]

Yep. My sister got her tribal card the other day - I have put it off for years but there are some good things to be said for having one. Like college grants and such. Guess I'll just have to grab some freebies myself - OMG - I think I might be entitled!!

I have family up there in OK who are VERY Choctaw.

We're probably related because I have some screwed up family members in OK too... In the choctaw crowd... Trial of Tears... But I think I'm part Cherokee...

[mojotrain]

I haven't got the tribal card and all that stuff but my Choctaw relatives are from Louisiana (maybe OK as well). We have just recently been on the quest of researching our roots and discovered this.

We may be related. :D

75 good luck on that research. I found it's easier to trace boodlines back to Scotland than it is to trace back through Okla., Georgia, Miss and Fl. So many Indians that are traceable, when being counted for US census records took on names of familys they worked for. The documention of those who lived on reservations were mostly at the mercy of those taking records.
Then one must consider a lot of Native Americans would not consider documentation of any sort.

TOMAHAJAH

[BDB]

do we get the oil that we shoot up like fiends from great britain? do we have to worry about covert terrorist cells roaming free in weastern europe?

it doesn't seem to me that grandma lizzy really needs a bow from the obamanos for the world to flow a little smoother.

[CyFallsMom]

75 good luck on that research. I found it's easier to trace boodlines back to Scotland than it is to trace back through Okla., Georgia, Miss and Fl. So many Indians that are traceable, when being counted for US census records took on names of familys they worked for. The documention of those who lived on reservations were mostly at the mercy of those taking records.
Then one must consider a lot of Native Americans would not consider documentation of any sort.

TOMAHAJAH

When the Choctaw were moved to Oklahoma, they were put on rolls. My family never worked for anyone - they had farms once they left the reservation. If he has family that are on the rolls, it isn't that hard. My uncle was Blackfoot and Sioux - they are a little harder to find. Our family was on the rolls going WAY back so it was actually pretty easy to go from then to now. On my dad's side, we go back as far as the late 1600's coming from England and one, John Wilkes - Lord Mayor of London in the 1770's, has a statue in London that I got to see last year! That was awesome. We have that side of the family documented as well. The Europeans - especially the English - kept excellent records but if the Indian tribe was well organized, as the Choctaw's were and still are, then it's fairly easy. Just call the tribe and see how you can get hold of the rolls. Once it can be proven you are on the rolls, you can get a tribal card.

[CyFallsMom]

We're probably related because I have some screwed up family members in OK too... In the choctaw crowd... Trial of Tears... But I think I'm part Cherokee...

Pretty much anyone who is Choctaw is related in some way it seems!! I knew I liked you W!!! Could have been the pancakes talking though;). Bobby Flay did a Blueberry pancake throwdown and all I could think of was Snappy's Pecan version.:rolleyes:

And they are screwed up a little - that's my mom's side. I went to a funeral once for a great uncle in Ardmore - he'd been killed in a very bad auto accident and they had an open casket - he was basically put back together. All these indians were chanting and stuff - I was 8 years old and I don't think I've been back to OK since - can't tell which is more scary, my family or the Sooners!!

[CyFallsMom]

We may have to PM each other about this soon. ;)

We really may be related. I have some close relatives that look white as well. :)

I'm red though. ;)

A little trivia - Choctaws are actually fairer than most Indians. If you need any help looking, let me know. My sister has it all down and she knew where to find the rolls and such. She's the normal sister, not the nutty one.;)

Here's the website too - the chief is pretty fair if you ask me.

http://www.choctawnation.com/

[mojotrain]

When the Choctaw were moved to Oklahoma, they were put on rolls. My family never worked for anyone - they had farms once they left the reservation. If he has family that are on the rolls, it isn't that hard. My uncle was Blackfoot and Sioux - they are a little harder to find. Our family was on the rolls going WAY back so it was actually pretty easy to go from then to now. On my dad's side, we go back as far as the late 1600's coming from England and one, John Wilkes - Lord Mayor of London in the 1770's, has a statue in London that I got to see last year! That was awesome. We have that side of the family documented as well. The Europeans - especially the English - kept excellent records but if the Indian tribe was well organized, as the Choctaw's were and still are, then it's fairly easy. Just call the tribe and see how you can get hold of the rolls. Once it can be proven you are on the rolls, you can get a tribal card.

My connection was 6 generations back and was Choctaw. There are two names but I think only one person. One a Thomas Harvey along with a Indian name TOMAJAH. Two stories here. One he was a white child named Tom Harvey who was taken by the Choctaw and raised by them and given the name Tomajah. The second was reverse. He was a Indian child raised by a family known as Harvey and given the name Tom. Whatever that line ends with him and his wife. No history on her either. Scottland was easy. All the way back to the late 1600s and early 1700s, the McGregors and the Campbells. That was far enough.

PS My name isn't Harvey, Tomajah, McGregor or Campbell.