Who is #2?

[StarmanDX]

There is a debate as to who is #2 behind the obvious #1 SLC. Here are the candidates:

Katy - Runner up in the strong division 2 bracket. Only loss to state champ.
Trinity - Winner of the weak divison 1 bracket. Only loss to a team who didn't make it out of the 2nd round in D2.
Lufkin - Seminfinalist whose only loss was to the state champ.
Plano - Regional Finalist whose only loss was a very close game against the state champ.
Westfield - With their QB healthy they were just as good as any other teams in the state.

My opinion:

2: Lufkin- Between them and Katy, Lufkin had more impressive victories and more dominance. They could have done better against SLC with a healthy QB also.
3: Katy- They proved that they could hang with the best even though they made a lot of mistakes against SLC. They responded well to the mistakes and proved that they weren't as soft as people said.
4: Plano- Played the closest as anyone else did to the Dragons in the playoffs. They had a lead and fought hard to the end. Its a shame that their season ended early because they were clearly better than just about every team in the state.
5: Westfield- Healthy they were the team to beat in the D1 bracket, but their loss showed how vital their QB was to their team.
8: Trinity- 0 wins against Top 25 teams in the playoffs, never knocked off an undefeated team, or a good team with 1 loss, and only loss was not to a state champion or close to that. It's not fair to rank them ahead of teams to whose only loss was to the #1 state champion. No impressive wins which the teams above had.

[lonny23]

There is a debate as to who is #2 behind the obvious #1 SLC. Here are the candidates:

Katy - Runner up in the strong division 2 bracket. Only loss to state champ.
Trinity - Winner of the weak divison 1 bracket. Only loss to a team who didn't make it out of the 2nd round in D2.
Lufkin - Seminfinalist whose only loss was to the state champ.
Plano - Regional Finalist whose only loss was a very close game against the state champ.
Westfield - With their QB healthy they were just as good as any other teams in the state.

My opinion:

2: Lufkin- Between them and Katy, Lufkin had more impressive victories and more dominance. They could have done better against SLC with a healthy QB also.
3: Katy- They proved that they could hang with the best even though they made a lot of mistakes against SLC. They responded well to the mistakes and proved that they weren't as soft as people said.
4: Plano- Played the closest as anyone else did to the Dragons in the playoffs. They had a lead and fought hard to the end. Its a shame that their season ended early because they were clearly better than just about every team in the state.
5: Westfield- Healthy they were the team to beat in the D1 bracket, but their loss showed how vital their QB was to their team.
8: Trinity- 0 wins against Top 25 teams in the playoffs, never knocked off an undefeated team, or a good team with 1 loss, and only loss was not to a state champion or close to that. It's not fair to rank them ahead of teams to whose only loss was to the #1 state champion. No impressive wins which the teams above had.
I'm not even going to vote in the poll. Westfield is not #2. One guy being out does not make you lose if you're that good. You'd be better off putting Judson in the poll.

[dragonfan020405]

katy made it to state but they didnt play the hardest teams ever to make it to state (in my opinion)

trinity - played easy teams and like one of their first STATE CHAMPS (i think correct if I am wrong)
plz correct me im not sure)

I chose plano. They were a great challenge and i thought we may not win but i knew we could pull it off. It was a very close game. until 4th Quarter
My vote- PLANO

[dragonsfan]

There is a debate as to who is #2 behind the obvious #1 SLC. Here are the candidates:

Katy - Runner up in the strong division 2 bracket. Only loss to state champ.
Trinity - Winner of the weak divison 1 bracket. Only loss to a team who didn't make it out of the 2nd round in D2.
Lufkin - Seminfinalist whose only loss was to the state champ.
Plano - Regional Finalist whose only loss was a very close game against the state champ.
Westfield - With their QB healthy they were just as good as any other teams in the state.

My opinion:

2: Lufkin- Between them and Katy, Lufkin had more impressive victories and more dominance. They could have done better against SLC with a healthy QB also.
3: Katy- They proved that they could hang with the best even though they made a lot of mistakes against SLC. They responded well to the mistakes and proved that they weren't as soft as people said.
4: Plano- Played the closest as anyone else did to the Dragons in the playoffs. They had a lead and fought hard to the end. Its a shame that their season ended early because they were clearly better than just about every team in the state.
5: Westfield- Healthy they were the team to beat in the D1 bracket, but their loss showed how vital their QB was to their team.
8: Trinity- 0 wins against Top 25 teams in the playoffs, never knocked off an undefeated team, or a good team with 1 loss, and only loss was not to a state champion or close to that. It's not fair to rank them ahead of teams to whose only loss was to the #1 state champion. No impressive wins which the teams above had.
Your post is why I am not voting in this poll. Who knows how Lufkin would have done without the injury to Claybon. All these teams could have been champs, but the ball bounces funny and none but SLC and Trinity are champs. Too bad SLC didn't go Division I, that would have been an interesting game. Weird really, if you know that Fossil Ridge, 5-5A's Division I team actually has fewer students than SLC this year and really should have gone Division II. But the UIL sets the student count rules and that's the end of that.

[farmerfan]

There is a debate as to who is #2 behind the obvious #1 SLC. Here are the candidates:

Katy - Runner up in the strong division 2 bracket. Only loss to state champ.
Trinity - Winner of the weak divison 1 bracket. Only loss to a team who didn't make it out of the 2nd round in D2.
Lufkin - Seminfinalist whose only loss was to the state champ.
Plano - Regional Finalist whose only loss was a very close game against the state champ.
Westfield - With their QB healthy they were just as good as any other teams in the state.

My opinion:

2: Lufkin- Between them and Katy, Lufkin had more impressive victories and more dominance. They could have done better against SLC with a healthy QB also.
3: Katy- They proved that they could hang with the best even though they made a lot of mistakes against SLC. They responded well to the mistakes and proved that they weren't as soft as people said.
4: Plano- Played the closest as anyone else did to the Dragons in the playoffs. They had a lead and fought hard to the end. Its a shame that their season ended early because they were clearly better than just about every team in the state.
5: Westfield- Healthy they were the team to beat in the D1 bracket, but their loss showed how vital their QB was to their team.
8: Trinity- 0 wins against Top 25 teams in the playoffs, never knocked off an undefeated team, or a good team with 1 loss, and only loss was not to a state champion or close to that. It's not fair to rank them ahead of teams to whose only loss was to the #1 state champion. No impressive wins which the teams above had.


Go check I-Mac's record when Trinity played them. You will see how wrong you are in your assesment about Trinity. Also their game with SGP was very close. Trinity had over 400 yards of offense as well as another 200+ day out of Nance. If Vittatoe is remotely close to playing how he did against Judson then Trinity wins. He didnt and SGP beat them, however it still was a close game. I guess by reading what you have had to say about all the teams and then your assesment of Trinity, you have a dislike for them. Consol was a good playoff team and Judson proved to be one as well. O yeah if you want to compare scores of common opponents you do realize that Trinity beat PESH a lot worse than PSHS did right?

[SLCDRGN]

Trinity is crying again. It is funny how most everyone outside of Trinity feels they were not even in the top 5 best. The road to the state championship Division I was a walk in the park compared to Division II. Trinity, enjoy your state championship! However, most people recognize you would not have gotten out of the quarter finals in division II!!

Top 5

1 SLC
2 Katy
3 Plano
4 Lufkin (only because of injured QB Clabon)
5 Abilene
6 Trinity

[KatyTigerDad0407]

This Thread is useless, too many homers. Make the poll public or don't make this poll at all. A better thread would be to have the poster state their HOMER; then only count their vote if it isn't for their home team. That is what I did for the three games last weekend and the picks were pretty close to the actual results. As on the scores thread for the D2 game; after taken out all the homer votes; the result was only off by 5 points.

For example:
My Homer is Katy-My #2 is Trinity

That is a good example of a legit vote you could count.

[Tut]

Having seen all of Katy's games and none of the others, I don't feel qualified to vote. Sorry.

[farmerfan]

Trinity is crying again. It is funny how most everyone outside of Trinity feels they were not even in the top 5 best. The road to the state championship Division I was a walk in the park compared to Division II. Trinity, enjoy your state championship! However, most people recognize you would not have gotten out of the quarter finals in division II!!

Top 5

1 SLC
2 Katy
3 Plano
4 Lufkin (only because of injured QB Clabon)
5 Abilene
6 Trinity

From what I saw yesterday, Trinity would have beat Katy and considering how one dimensional Plano was, Trinity would have beat them as well. I can honestly say without any doubt they would have beat Abilene. The only team on there who I did not see so I could not say if Trinity would win would be Lufkin. I also believe Katy would have beaten Plano. I dont think the Plano offense would have been able to move the ball well enough to beat Katy. The only reason they scored points against SLC was to the short field. 2 of their TD's came on drives starting inside the Carroll 30 yard line.

[Favpack]

If you want to factor in the "what if" with our no. 1 qb or not makes a difference - a big one. Lufkin has never lost a game to run only team - and the Pack's speed would have given any of these fine squads fits - but particularly Plano and Katy. We put up 20 in the first half against SLC - and should have been 27.

[VB Pack Fan]

It dose not really matter who,s #2 now. But I can say that if Lufkin had not some many injuries the last three weeks to key players, the SLC game would have been another 4 qtr classic game , and that is a fact. The panthers were to banged up to hang with SLC.........and I told everyone that nobody would beat SLC this year, just to many weapoons...............;)plus everyone know that Katy teams have a hardtime beating Lufkin.

[yankee]

katy made it to state but they didnt play the hardest teams ever to make it to state (in my opinion)

trinity - played easy teams and like one of their first STATE CHAMPS (i think correct if I am wrong)
plz correct me im not sure)

I chose plano. They were a great challenge and i thought we may not win but i knew we could pull it off. It was a very close game. until 4th Quarter
My vote- PLANO
plano did challenge slc, but i believe they played over their heads. i dont think that game shouldve been as close as it was.

[BAMF cowboy]

plano did challenge slc, but i believe they played over their heads. i dont think that game shouldve been as close as it was.

i agree. plano is was a great team this year, but everyone around here remembers that week on this board? remember how pumped plano and their fans were? i think that they were just pumped and ready for the game, and that's why they kept it close. not to take away from plano and a great season.

[RidgePride]

8: Trinity- 0 wins against Top 25 teams in the playoffs, never knocked off an undefeated team, or a good team with 1 loss, and only loss was not to a state champion or close to that. It's not fair to rank them ahead of teams to whose only loss was to the #1 state champion. No impressive wins which the teams above had.

Their most impressive win was against IMAC. That was a game I attended and IMAC had every chance to win that game. They hung with Trinity until late 4th quarter.

They looked very mediocre against my (6-4) Fossil Ridge Panthers with a 35-20 victory.

Trinity also LOST to SGP. SGP had to go to overtime to beat Denton Ryan and SGP lost to Plano.
There is no way Trinity would beat Plano -

[RidgePride]

plano did challenge slc, but i believe they played over their heads. i dont think that game shouldve been as close as it was.


Plano was a very-Very talented team. They had a very big and physical offense and defensive line.

They may have had the best Secondary Southlake faced this year.

Plano may have been #2 in the State

[drgnbkr]

The way I see it..everyone in 5-A but Carroll had at least 1 loss. The logical way to deal with it would be to consider Trinity, the other champ in 5-A the #2 team, with all others sorting out behind them...its a flawed system, but I think that is the only way you can look at it.

[AZTiger]

They may have had the best Secondary Southlake faced this year.



not sure about that, but i do know for fact that some of the SLC WRs told Konesheck after the game yesterday he was the best DB they faced all year.

[Dallascaper]

Trinity is crying again. It is funny how most everyone outside of Trinity feels they were not even in the top 5 best. The road to the state championship Division I was a walk in the park compared to Division II. Trinity, enjoy your state championship! However, most people recognize you would not have gotten out of the quarter finals in division II!!

Top 5

1 SLC
2 Katy
3 Plano
4 Lufkin (only because of injured QB Clabon)
5 Abilene
6 Trinity

Nonsense, what does Trinity have to cry about? I'll agree that Trinity's road through the playoffs hardly stretched them, but Trinity didn't exactly squeak past its opponents. From what I saw, Trinity would (or would not, who cares?) have handled Plano and Katy. I'll give the edge to SLC, but that's not to say the Dragons would have won a blowout. As for Lufkin and Westfield, I have no idea; I never had the chance to watch either team.

As for Trinity's loss to SGP, let's not lose perspective here. First, the game occurred during a time when I felt Trinity was starting to lose focus. The haka media hype was in full swing, and the DMN had "Can Anyone Stop Trinity?" blasted all over its sports page. The kids didn't have the right frame of mind, and a very good SGP team was coming off being shut out by IMac the week earlier. Trinity was ripe for an upset, and that's exactly what happened. Trinity played poorly, and while it is true that other teams (SLC) played poorly at times as well and won, they weren't playing those games against 9-1 football teams.

In the end, all the banter about who is number 2 is meaningless. Trinity is champion of Div 1, SLC is champion of Div 2, and the Planos, Katys, and the Lufkins of '05 will eventually be lost to history. All that's left is the healing of brused egos, which apparently is what this thread is all about.

[RidgePride]

The way I see it..everyone in 5-A but Carroll had at least 1 loss. The logical way to deal with it would be to consider Trinity, the other champ in 5-A the #2 team, with all others sorting out behind them...its a flawed system, but I think that is the only way you can look at it.

We do not have to make Trinity our #2 team because of the flawed system.

It is a fact that Trinity had an easy path to the Championship. It can be debated that Plano, Lufkin, Katy, Smithson Valley, Abilene, Copp. Cove and for that matter South Grand Prairie are all better than Trinity.

I happen to think that most of them are better.

[drgnbkr]

We do not have to make Trinity our #2 team because of the flawed system.

It is a fact that Trinity had an easy path to the Championship. It can be debated that Plano, Lufkin, Katy, Smithson Valley, Abilene, Copp. Cove and for that matter South Grand Prairie are all better than Trinity.

I happen to think that most of them are better.

I did not mean to imply that anyone had to make Trinity their #2..We are just discussing who we thought should be considered #2..we all get to have opinions..thats why its called a discussion board.

[RidgePride]

As for Trinity's loss to SGP, let's not lose perspective here. First, the game occurred during a time when I felt Trinity was starting to lose focus. The haka media hype was in full swing, and the DMN had "Can Anyone Stop Trinity?" blasted all over its sports page. The kids didn't have the right frame of mind, and a very good SGP team was coming off being shut out by IMac the week earlier. Trinity was ripe for an upset, and that's exactly what happened. Trinity played poorly, and while it is true that other teams (SLC) played poorly at times as well and won, they weren't playing those games against 9-1 football teams.

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How can you manufactor an excuse for Trinity's loss to SGP. You do not know if they lost focus - that is pure speculation. Could it be that SGP was better?

I was at the game. SGP's passing game exposed Trinity's secondary.

Trinity was very - very luck this year.

[drgnbkr]

No offense ridge, but I hate this..Trinity won all of their playoff games, including against your fine team...they deserve the respect of being the champs of Division 1.

[yankee]

Plano was a very-Very talented team. They had a very big and physical offense and defensive line.

They may have had the best Secondary Southlake faced this year.

Plano may have been #2 in the State
i never said they werent talented. they did have good lines but like dcrew06 said, they were very pumped to play us.

[RidgePride]

No offense ridge, but I hate this..Trinity won all of their playoff games, including against your fine team...they deserve the respect of being the champs of Division 1.


As a matter of fact since no one beat Trinity or SLC in the playoffs, we could argue that Trinity is #1 and SLC is #2-
CORRECT?

[drgnbkr]

As a matter of fact since no one beat Trinity or SLC in the playoffs, we could argue that Trinity is #1 and SLC is #2-
CORRECT?

You can argue anything...I doubt you'd get many followers outside of Euless.

[yankee]

You can argue anything...I doubt you'd get many followers outside of Euless.
as a matter of fact, i dont think hed get any. u cant argue much with the most prolific offense in 5a history, and an outstanding defense.

[RidgePride]

as a matter of fact, i dont think hed get any. u cant argue much with the most prolific offense in 5a history, and an outstanding defense.
I do not think Trinity is better than SLC at all. I don't think Trinity is #2 in the State either.

I will give them respect for winning the D1 Championship, but the thread topic is "Who is #2"

My answer is "Not Trinity."

[ths76021]

It would be hard for anyone to say that they are #1 over SLC..even Trinity. SLC has proven themselves year in and year out. SLC is #1 and anyone that would argue that needs a reality check. Trinity is #1 in Div 1 5A 2005 while SLC is #1 in Div. 2. No one will ever know who is the best team as they will not play each other. On paper everyone would have their opinion and it is justified. It would have been a great game between the two fine schools.

It is a good thing these boards are just to see who can complain and speculate the most. I suppose it Trinity's run through the playoffs was so easy.. "The easiest path to a Championship" then Why didn't Fossil Ridge win the title or anyone else that they played? Is it Trinity's fault that they didn't play any of the teams people want to bring up continuously as opponents that would have beat Trinity? They play the games for a reason. What people want to say and speculate doesn't mean anything. Just useless rambling. Everyone said that Trinity had to win a championship to make a name for themselves. They did just that. They have the Div 1 championship and everyone is so quick to say.. they didn't play anyone to earn it.

Maybe they should go back to the good ole days before everyone was crying about not enough kids have the chance to play in a playoff. The best team from each district would go to the playoffs and that would be it. We wouldn't have all of this crying between Div 1 and Div 2. But, since so many kids have to have the chance to play in the playoff.. we get all of this crap with people whinning about who Trinity played in the playoffs. Get over it. Trinity has their championship and all of this other crap is just ramblings from people that have nothing better to do than try to dampened the accomplishments of the Trinity ball players or their school wasn't fortunate enough to be in the position of Trinity and win the Div 1 title.

Trinity is Div 1 champs of 2005. Nothing anyone on this board can say or speculate to change that. Trinity didn't control the winners in each district that went Div. 1. They played who they had to inorder to win the championship. Maybe for all of those saying how easy Div. 1 is.. Get more students in your school and you can be Div 1 next year. That's simple isn't it? Then you may not have to face SLC in Div 2... Will that make you happy to get a shot at the title. Doesn't mean you'd win though does it. Anyone can beat other team on a given day. NS, Lufkin, Westfield, SV and alot of other good teams may or may not have beat Trinity. Can anyone say with 100% certainty that they would have beat Trinity? No one can...That is why they play the games.

There are two champions in 5A - Trinity and SLC. Anything else is pure speculation.

[Dallascaper]

How can you manufactor and excuse for Trinity's loss to SGP. You do not know if they lost focus - that is pure speculation. Could it be that SGP was better?

I was at the game. SGP's passing game exposed Trinity's secondary.

Trinity was very - very luck this year.

That's funny.

As if this thread - much less this forum - is based entirely on empirical data.

[WildcatFan]

All I can say is that up until Wed of this past week SLC's DE Boydston was quoted in the DMN saying that "Plano was SLC's touhgest opponent they faced all year by far"

Unless his mind was changed in three days or during the Katy game, which by their performance I would still say that the players of SLC would still say Plano was truly number 2.

Look Katy is a good football team and they made it to the dance, but they had a cake schedule compared to Region 1.

I stand behind my earlier statement that the true state championship was played Dec. 3rd in TS between the Wildcats and Dragons and Dragons are state champs. I consider Lukfin and Katy settle bonus games for SLC because Plano would have beat them everyone knows this.

[Tut]

I stand behind my earlier statement that the true state championship was played Dec. 3rd in TS between the Wildcats and Dragons and Dragons are state champs. I consider Lukfin and Katy settle bonus games for SLC because Plano would have beat them everyone knows this.
You mean everyone in Plano knows this.

[DragonBand06]

I stand behind my earlier statement that the true state championship was played Dec. 3rd in TS between the Wildcats and Dragons and Dragons are state champs. I consider Lukfin and Katy settle bonus games for SLC because Plano would have beat them everyone knows this.

Yeah, I mean, all due respect and honor to Plano on a great game, but I thikn that Lufkin would have at least edged it out if not more. I think that SLC was a little out of focus going into the Plano game - that week everyone thought we would win fairly easily (no offense) and I had bad feelings going into that game. I also think that Plano brought their A+ game, and sine we weren't quite ready for that, we got caught off guard. However, they did give us quite a run.

I don't think you can base closeness of games on the scores though. Lufkin went down by 18, but the game was much closer than you'd think. Same with the Katy game - we won by 24 but any fan will tell you it was much closer than it seems, especially in the 2nd half.

By far our scariest game all year - Grapevine. Losing to an unranked team in the reg. season would have dropped our egos like a sack of wet potatoes. 2nd scariest -Plano, 3rd - Lufkin, 4th -Katy. Just my opinion.

BTW, Lufkin is my #2.

[Tut]

I don't think you can base closeness of games on the scores though. Lufkin went down by 18, but the game was much closer than you'd think. Same with the Katy game - we won by 24 but any fan will tell you it was much closer than it seems, especially in the 2nd half.

By far our scariest game all year - Grapevine. Losing to an unranked team in the reg. season would have dropped our egos like a sack of wet potatoes. 2nd scariest -Plano, 3rd - Lufkin, 4th -Katy. Just my opinion.

BTW, Lufkin is my #2.

Maybe my old school math is different, but I thought 34-20=14.:confused:

I believe that Trinity and anyone whose only loss was to Carroll (Abilene might have a tough case) should be given consideration. I suppose Dragon coaches would be the best judges of the teams they played.

[DragonBand06]

Maybe my old school math is different, but I thought 34-20=14.:confused:

I believe that Trinity and anyone whose only loss was to Carroll (Abilene might have a tough case) should be given consideration. I suppose Dragon coaches would be the best judges of the teams they played.

OOPS! My focus on Calculus has forced me to overlook simple subtraction - a disgrace to the great SLC education system. My bad, it was 14. :(

[ths76021]

Heck all of this talk about would have, could have, should have.. Beating your chest for what? No one, I repeat no one beat SLC. Plano wants to think they accomplished something by losing by 10 pts to SLC. Heck, they accomplished no more than anyone else, let alone Grapevine who ONLY lost to SLC by 5 pts. I suppose since they played SLC closer that Plano, they would have beat Katy and Lufkin and Plano as well right???? That is why this is so bogus. Get over yourselves. Everyone still lost to SLC. Real championship (SLC vs Plano).. I think not. If it is based on the accomplishment of how CLOSE you came to beating SLC.. then the championship was SLC vs Grapevine before the playoffs started, because no one that played SLC..played them as close as Grapevine. I hope people start seeing how stupid all of these conversations and beating of the chest like something was accomplished really are!!! Bottom line... All comers that played SLC didn't play them as well as Grapevine who didn't even make the playoffs...SO in reality, If a team that can't even make the playoffs plays them better then all of these so called "great" teams in the D2 playoffs.. what does that say? I hope you get the point!!

[Tex]

Trinity went home with the Div 1 State Title that makes them 2nd

[Rerun]

I think Katy is #2.

SLC is obviously #1 and simple logic would say that Trinity is at least tied for first but for sure second.

Well, in my opinion, I think Katy would wipe the floor with Trinity.

Judson had Trinity on their heels and Judson was on a down year, regardless of how deep they went. The kids overachieved.

If a down Judson team can hang with Trinity, then Katy would smash them.

1. SLC
2. Katy
3. Smithson Valley
4. Lufkin
5. Trinity

[farmerfan]

I think Katy is #2.

SLC is obviously #1 and simple logic would say that Trinity is at least tied for first but for sure second.

Well, in my opinion, I think Katy would wipe the floor with Trinity.

Judson had Trinity on their heels and Judson was on a down year, regardless of how deep they went. The kids overachieved.

If a down Judson team can hang with Trinity, then Katy would smash them.

1. SLC
2. Katy
3. Smithson Valley
4. Lufkin
5. Trinity

Judson had Trinity in a hole early, however from midway through the 1st quarter on, it was all Trinity. Scoring 28 unanswered points and racking up another 400 yards of offense. The Trinity D was great, allowing only 1 TD.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and you very well may be correct. I differ in my opinion concerning Katy and Trinity. There would be no way Katy would wipe the floor with Trinity. I was more impressed by the Judson D 2 weeks ago than I was by the Katy D this past week. I think Trinity would be able to move the football very effectively against Katy and I think the Trinity defense would be able to slow down the Katy offense. I also feel that Trinity was a overall better team than Plano. I can't say anything about Lufkin but I will take their fans on their word as to how good their team was, I think as a overall fan base Lufkin fans have the most football knowledge of any in the state. If they say they were as good as they were, I will believe them. I think the true judgment for number 2 would be between Trinity and Lufkin.

Also people need to quit talking about SGP beat Trinity and SGP lost to Plano so Plano would beat Trinity. That proves nothing. I-Mac beat SGP, SGP turned around and defeated Trinity so I guess I-Mac beat Trinity right? Wrong. Trinity turned around and beat I-Mac by 7 while taking a knee inside the 5 with under a minute left in the game. Trinity easily could have defeated I-Mac by double digits. It is all speculation on who is number 2. However it is pure fact that both Carroll and Trinity are state champs and nothing any of you haters say can take that away from the Trojans.

[dragonfootballfan]

I think Katy is #2.

SLC is obviously #1 and simple logic would say that Trinity is at least tied for first but for sure second.

Well, in my opinion, I think Katy would wipe the floor with Trinity.

Judson had Trinity on their heels and Judson was on a down year, regardless of how deep they went. The kids overachieved.

If a down Judson team can hang with Trinity, then Katy would smash them.

1. SLC
2. Katy
3. Smithson Valley
4. Lufkin
5. Trinity
There is no way that a 2 loss team should be in front of the division 1 champ

[RidgePride]

Heck all of this talk about would have, could have, should have.. Beating your chest for what? No one, I repeat no one beat SLC. Plano wants to think they accomplished something by losing by 10 pts to SLC. Heck, they accomplished no more than anyone else, let alone Grapevine who ONLY lost to SLC by 5 pts. I suppose since they played SLC closer that Plano, they would have beat Katy and Lufkin and Plano as well right???? That is why this is so bogus. Get over yourselves. Everyone still lost to SLC. Real championship (SLC vs Plano).. I think not. If it is based on the accomplishment of how CLOSE you came to beating SLC.. then the championship was SLC vs Grapevine before the playoffs started, because no one that played SLC..played them as close as Grapevine. I hope people start seeing how stupid all of these conversations and beating of the chest like something was accomplished really are!!! Bottom line... All comers that played SLC didn't play them as well as Grapevine who didn't even make the playoffs...SO in reality, If a team that can't even make the playoffs plays them better then all of these so called "great" teams in the D2 playoffs.. what does that say? I hope you get the point!!

Fossil Ridge is the only team in the state of Texas to play - SLC - Trinity - Plano and Grapevine.

Grapevine would have played Trinity close too. Grapevine - SLC is a rivalry game. Those games can always be close no matter the rankings.

SLC and Plano are both better than Trinity hands down.

[RidgePride]

There is no way that a 2 loss team should be in front of the division 1 champ

Trinity would be a two loss team too if one of their games was against Katy.

[dragonfootballfan]

Trinity would be a two loss team too if one of their games was against Katy.
you cannot say that with certainty. What you can say is that Smithson Valley lost twice, once to a non-playoff team. I guess that is some how more impressive than a team that went 14-1 and won a division 1 championship. I just don't see it.

[ths76021]

Get over yourselve Ridgepride...Live in your fantasy of how good your team was. You have no clue how Grapevine would have played Trinity. We'll never know how well SLC or Plano would have done against Trinity as the team never played each other. Again, Another team trying to put down a STATE CHAMPION team. Remember that.. TRINITY IS the state champs. Not Fossil Ridge.. who if the path was so easy, should have won state right? Not Plano.. Get over it. Trinity didn't play to their ability and still beat Ridge by 15 pts... At what point did Ridge actually threaten Trinity? Oh. at 0-0 right. Speculate all you want and if that make you feel better go for it. Point is: Put down Trinity all day long like all the other Trinity haters... Doesn't change the fact.. Trinity is in the books as STATE CHAMPS. Can Fossil Ridge say that? Teams play teams harder or teams can be off and not as sharp on a given day. After Ridge lost to Trinity by 15.. I guess you should be thankful that trinity was off and didn't unleash on you...not that Ridge was that good anyway at 6-4 going into the playoffs. Ever think that they were possibly looking by Ridge since their record didn't present much of a threat to worry about? Anyway, enough of entertaining your opinions.

[ths76021]

Everyone wants to talk about how Judson had Trinity in such a whole. Judson scored 1 td all day. Trinity gift wrapped another TD with the fumble, which wasn't caused by a Judson player for another score after driving to the Judson 1.. 14 points and that was it. What else did Judson do to get on the board. Judson had one drive for points during the game. Trinity offense scored 28 unanswered pts, the defense kept Judson out of the endzone after their first possession. Just because Judson was leading in the first 5:30 of the game.. doesn't show anything does it? They got a gift otherwise the score is 35-7 final right? Think about it folks. Judson played a very good game and I'm not taking anything away from their team. I guess I say that in order to say this.. everyone looks to minimize Trinity's success on the field this year. That is fine. But Trinity lost in the Semi-finals in 2004, so why is it so hard to accept them winning it this year?

[RidgePride]

Get over yourselve Ridgepride...Live in your fantasy of how good your team was. You have no clue how Grapevine would have played Trinity. We'll never know how well SLC or Plano would have done against Trinity as the team never played each other. Again, Another team trying to put down a STATE CHAMPION team. Remember that.. TRINITY IS the state champs. Not Fossil Ridge.. who if the path was so easy, should have won state right? Not Plano.. Get over it. Trinity didn't play to their ability and still beat Ridge by 15 pts... At what point did Ridge actually threaten Trinity? Oh. at 0-0 right. Speculate all you want and if that make you feel better go for it. Point is: Put down Trinity all day long like all the other Trinity haters... Doesn't change the fact.. Trinity is in the books as STATE CHAMPS. Can Fossil Ridge say that? Teams play teams harder or teams can be off and not as sharp on a given day. After Ridge lost to Trinity by 15.. I guess you should be thankful that trinity was off and didn't unleash on you...not that Ridge was that good anyway at 6-4 going into the playoffs. Ever think that they were possibly looking by Ridge since their record didn't present much of a threat to worry about? Anyway, enough of entertaining your opinions.

I never stated Ridge was better than Trinity because we are not. I don't know why you devoted so much of your statement towards how good Ridge is.

It is a valid and legitimate argument that Trinity may have lost to several teams that were in DII.

[pack0808]

I have to go with Laredo United South as being #2. They are the real deal.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Lufkin. period.

[toonman]

Lufkin. period.

Agreed - Lufkin

[ths76021]

What everyone has to remember... Trinity MAY have lost to several D2 schools or several D2 schools May have lost to Trinity. We'll never know will we? The speculation is pointless.

[Dragon20]

Trinity lost to South Grand Prarie I vote Katy only loss was too Southlake. But you can have a toss up for the others but I still say Katy for the 15 - 0 record. Lufkin 14 - 0 and Plano 13-0. I vote Katy because they had one more win the the closest I would vote Highland Park # 4.

[pshs1]

Plano. Came so close to knocking off SLC and could have if in the 2nd half didn't go away from their game plan of handing it off to JJ. Not to mention that one fumble by Newton late in the game which wasn't called could have changed everything. Also for those of you saying Plano can’t play any better, think again. Remember the first two TDs they gave up in the first 6mins or so since they were still adjusting to SLC’s offense?

1.)SLC
2.)Trinity/Plano (trinity did have it easy but were state champs)
3.)Katy
4.)Lufkin

[bullrock]

The Judson/Trinity score could have easily been 28/21 at one point if Trinity doesn't intercept in our end zone. Everybody seems to forget about that. If Judson would have made about 16 more first downs in the second quarter, we would have shut ya'll out. If Judson would have on-side kicked everytime they kicked off, perhaps Trinitys offense would have never even touched the ball. If we would have played somebody else Trinity would not have won the game. If Beasley hadn't got hurt the week before, Westfield might have handed you your jockstraps. Do I need to "what if" anymore? You Trinity fans seem to want everything your way. Sure, everyone is beatin' up on you right now and you say "well if we had have played you we might have won". If Judson wouldn't have crawled 99 yards to their endzone after we gave them the ball because we knew we could smoke them and felt sorry for them, while our boys were layin' on the ground laughin'..... If, ands or but is the same as the door that's shut. You can't see what's on the other side until you walk through it.

[yankee]

Plano. Came so close to knocking off SLC and could have if in the 2nd half didn't go away from their game plan of handing it off to JJ. Not to mention that one fumble by Newton late in the game which wasn't called could have changed everything. Also for those of you saying Plano can’t play any better, think again. Remember the first two TDs they gave up in the first 6mins or so since they were still adjusting to SLC’s offense?

1.)SLC
2.)Trinity/Plano (trinity did have it easy but were state champs)
3.)Katy
4.)Lufkin
i dont see why people keep putting plano at number 2. they played a great game against slc. they were pumped and their adrenaline was running high. but alot of their games in the reg. season and the playoffs werent won by a whole lotta points. if plano played trinity, trinity would win.

[farmerfan]

i dont see why people keep putting plano at number 2. they played a great game against slc. they were pumped and their adrenaline was running high. but alot of their games in the reg. season and the playoffs werent won by a whole lotta points. if plano played trinity, trinity would win.

I dont know either. Thye playd Carroll close but a lot of people seem to forget it was the one playoff game that Carroll slipped up a bit. They have had 1 every year. In 02 it was Sam Houston, in 03 it was Monterey, in 04 it was SV. In all those games Carroll out stated the other team pretty handily they just didnt execute when they needed to. I know people will say well it has something to do with the way the other team played, I just think its hard to be dominanting for 16 weeks.

Anoither thing a lot of people want to bring up is how Plano beat the team that beat Trinity. Well if we go by that, lets compare the Trinity/DeSoto score to the Plano/DeSoto score. DeSoto gave Plano everything they wanted and then some, Trinity had DeSoto beat by halftime.

[Fat Boy]

We do not have to make Trinity our #2 team because of the flawed system.

It is a fact that Trinity had an easy path to the Championship. It can be debated that Plano, Lufkin, Katy, Smithson Valley, Abilene, Copp. Cove and for that matter South Grand Prairie are all better than Trinity.

I happen to think that most of them are better.

no trinity didnt have a easy road they would have killed SLC reason Demitri Nance nad Harndy

A&M Consolidated should have beaten Trinity but they failed to score when they had chances to

[gritty52]

You folks know us Trinity supporters have some pretty thick skin!!! We have been the ******* step child for a while!! We are the champs and you jealous losers can't stand it! 2nd place is the first loser, and if that is where we are so be it. SLC AND ET HAVE THE TROPHIES AND FOR THE REST OF YAW TRINITY BASHERS :D :D :D THERE IS NEXT YEAR!!!HAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[DragonBand06]

no trinity didnt have a easy road they would have killed SLC reason Demitri Nance nad Harndy

A&M Consolidated should have beaten Trinity but they failed to score when they had chances to

Now< I know they teach you better grammar down there in College Station, 'cause my cousin went to A&M Consolidated, and I'm headed to A&M for college this upcoming fall, so please SLOW DOWN and make us look like the good, clean, well educated people we are!

P.S. I disagree. Until you have seen the Mean Green Dragon Machine in action firsthand, I don't think you can even have a valid opinion there. Now, if you have, please let me know which game and why you still think Trinity is better.

I was rootin' for my Tigers too!

[toonman]

no trinity didnt have a easy road they would have killed SLC reason Demitri Nance nad Harndy

A&M Consolidated should have beaten Trinity but they failed to score when they had chances to

Can you please give us some facts to support your argument. It would appear that your opinion is very much in the minority. In the last 4 years not one 5A team has been able to 'kill' SLC.

[Dragon20]

Can you please give us some facts to support your argument. It would appear that your opinion is very much in the minority. In the last 4 years not one 5A team has been able to 'kill' SLC.

Excellent comment, That is the most intelligent point I have ever heard Toonman Thank you.

[Eagle81]

I personally think you guys are selling HP a little short. Have you seen them play? I definitely think SLC is the best team in the state bar none. However, I think HP has to be considered right under them. If you haven't seen HP I can appreciate you thinking they couldn't hang with the best in 5A. I've seen both Carroll and HP play and in my humble opinion, I would rate them right below SLC. No disrespect to any of the teams mentioned, but it's hard to imagine anyone but SLC being able to beat those guys (looking at it with an open mind).

[farmerfan]

I personally think you guys are selling HP a little short. Have you seen them play? I definitely think SLC is the best team in the state bar none. However, I think HP has to be considered right under them. If you haven't seen HP I can appreciate you thinking they couldn't hang with the best in 5A. I've seen both Carroll and HP play and in my humble opinion, I would rate them right below SLC. No disrespect to any of the teams mentioned, but it's hard to imagine anyone but SLC being able to beat those guys (looking at it with an open mind).


Stphenville had the game all but won and Texas High led 17-0 at one point. HP was far from dominating. I think Hebron should be mentioned with HP. I guess cause they are the DMN favorite son they fail to recogonize that the Hebron Hawks were pretty good to. My opinion is that Hebron would have been ableto slow Stafford and HP down with their awesome defense. I also think they could move the ball and score on the HP defense.

[pack0808]

HP is basically a 5a team playing 4a. They are a HUGE 4a school that is bigger then several 5a school's. I think they miraculously missed the cutoff by 1 student this year. They are good at that. ;) I would put them at about #5 in the state.

[farmerfan]

HP is basically a 5a team playing 4a. They are a HUGE 4a school that is bigger then several 5a school's. I think they miraculously missed the cutoff by 1 student this year. They are good at that. ;) I would put them at about #5 in the state.


well you know the old joke, the cutoff to go to 5A is one less student than what HP turns in.

[drgnbkr]

I personally think you guys are selling HP a little short. Have you seen them play? I definitely think SLC is the best team in the state bar none. However, I think HP has to be considered right under them. If you haven't seen HP I can appreciate you thinking they couldn't hang with the best in 5A. I've seen both Carroll and HP play and in my humble opinion, I would rate them right below SLC. No disrespect to any of the teams mentioned, but it's hard to imagine anyone but SLC being able to beat those guys (looking at it with an open mind).

I don't sell them short..Carroll has been in the same district with HP, met in the playoffs several times...etc....they probably need to move on up & play with the big boys where they belong..

[drgnbkr]

fresh from Dave Campbell:

RANK HIGH SCHOOL RECORD PRESEASON RANK SEASON RESULT
1 Southlake Carroll 16-0 1 Division II Champions
2 Euless Trinity 15-1 9 Division I Champions
3 Katy 15-1 7 Division II Finalists
4 Plano 13-1 Not ranked Division II Semifinalists
5 Converse Judson 10-5 12 Division I Finalists
6 Smithson Valley 3-2 4 Division II Semifinalists
7 Lufkin 13-1 5 Division II Semifinalists
8 Spring Westfield 11-1 2 Division I Semifinalists
9 Copperas Cove 12-1 12 Division II Quarterfinalists
10 A&M Consolidated 11-3 Not ranked Division I Semifinalis

[Favpack]

fresh from Dave Campbell:

RANK HIGH SCHOOL RECORD PRESEASON RANK SEASON RESULT
1 Southlake Carroll 16-0 1 Division II Champions
2 Euless Trinity 15-1 9 Division I Champions
3 Katy 15-1 7 Division II Finalists
4 Plano 13-1 Not ranked Division II Semifinalists
5 Converse Judson 10-5 12 Division I Finalists
6 Smithson Valley 3-2 4 Division II Semifinalists
7 Lufkin 13-1 5 Division II Semifinalists
8 Spring Westfield 11-1 2 Division I Semifinalists
9 Copperas Cove 12-1 12 Division II Quarterfinalists
10 A&M Consolidated 11-3 Not ranked Division I Semifinalis

I'd just about bet my farm and yours Czar Campbell had no clue Lufkin's qb broke his arm - just looked at scores and zipped out the ranks. His stuff is pretty worthless - as exhibited by this ranking. There is one team that beats Lufkin this year - and they did.

[drgnbkr]

I'd just about bet my farm and yours Czar Campbell had no clue Lufkin's qb broke his arm - just looked at scores and zipped out the ranks. His stuff is pretty worthless - as exhibited by this ranking. There is one team that beats Lufkin this year - and they did.

Yeah, there are at least 4 teams above Lukin In Daves Favs that could'nt beat the Pack..IMO

[FootballJunkie]

fresh from Dave Campbell:

RANK HIGH SCHOOL RECORD PRESEASON RANK SEASON RESULT
1 Southlake Carroll 16-0 1 Division II Champions
2 Euless Trinity 15-1 9 Division I Champions
3 Katy 15-1 7 Division II Finalists
4 Plano 13-1 Not ranked Division II Semifinalists
5 Converse Judson 10-5 12 Division I Finalists
6 Smithson Valley 3-2 4 Division II Semifinalists
7 Lufkin 13-1 5 Division II Semifinalists
8 Spring Westfield 11-1 2 Division I Semifinalists
9 Copperas Cove 12-1 12 Division II Quarterfinalists
10 A&M Consolidated 11-3 Not ranked Division I Semifinalis

How is Judson ranked above 2 teams they lost to??:confused: Call me crazy but that does not compute!!

[THEsouthlakeCARROLL]

Funny how lufkin is slowly but surly climbing its way closer and closer the katy in this poll, gotta love the quik responce from the homers down south eh?

[Primetime536]

Whos 2nd? And you have Trinity as a choice?

ET is the number ONE team. Yup, didnt they do everything in their power to win, and prevailed in winning the state championship. SL and ET are both the number one teams.

[THEsouthlakeCARROLL]

I think the number 1, has somthing to do with solitude, uno, the only... JUST ONE... not two teams. As a matter of that fact, i dont even think that there can be two number twos... if ET and SLC played, there would not be some biblical armageddon that prohibited the end of the game and the cowning of a champion... someone would win and the other would loose... so there are not two number ones.

[Primetime536]

I think the number 1, has somthing to do with solitude, uno, the only... JUST ONE... not two teams. As a matter of that fact, i dont even think that there can be two number twos... if ET and SLC played, there would not be some biblical armageddon that prohibited the end of the game and the cowning of a champion... someone would win and the other would loose... so there are not two number ones.
Well, there is 2 number 1 teams. Whos are the state champions(Thats plural), SLC and ET. Since there is to champions there is two number ones. You can argue that.

Champion-a winner of first prize or first place in competition; also : one who shows marked superiority......Since there is two first place winners, they are both#1.

[THEsouthlakeCARROLL]

I think that in the context of this thread any moron could see that we or erasing the dividers between the two divisions in Class 5A... But thats just any moron i suppose

[Primetime536]

I think that in the context of this thread any moron could see that we or erasing the dividers between the two divisions in Class 5A... But thats just any moron i suppose
Are you refering to me as a moron? Huh?


Yea, it really seems like the thread is erasing the division dividers. Wait, if that was the case why isnt SLC a choice for the 2nd best team. They are equal to ET, arnt they?

[THEsouthlakeCARROLL]

FAR from it

[dragonsdaddy]

Are you refering to me as a moron? Huh?


Yea, it really seems like the thread is erasing the division dividers. Wait, if that was the case why isnt SLC a choice for the 2nd best team. They are equal to ET, arnt they?
except for winning 2 more games and losing one less, i guess you might assume so.

[Primetime536]

except for winning 2 more games and losing one less, i guess you might assume so.
It doesnt really matter who won more games, its the fact that ET won 1 game, just like SLC, and thats the state championship game.

[THEsouthlakeCARROLL]

And the fact is that ET lost ONE game... just like.. oh wait... never mind ... my bad, SLC didnt

[Primetime536]

And the fact is that ET lost ONE game... just like.. oh wait... never mind ... my bad, SLC didnt
That doesnt matter. Who won the BIG game? Both teams. Who finished the season with a win? Both teams. Who won the State championship? Both team.


It doesnt matter how you won the championship, if you win, you number one

This Thread should be debating whos the 1st and 2nd most talented teams. In that case it would be 1.SLC 2.ET

[THEsouthlakeCARROLL]

Grapevine finished the season with a win... are they number one also?

[dragonsdaddy]

i assume you'd be arguing that a 4 loss coju would be also the best team in the state had they been able to hold the lead and win the ring.

this epitomizes what is wrong with the split championships. and it is all so easily rectified. give us the super bracket.

[THEsouthlakeCARROLL]

And i find it hard to believe that ET is #1... as you may say.. when they are pullin THIRD in the poll to find out who number TWO is

[Primetime536]

Ok. Yall may be right, i may be a little slow.

Just explain to me what it means to be the State champion, I sometimes forget the meaning.

[THEsouthlakeCARROLL]

Depends on what division you were in.. and what year it is:cool:

[Primetime536]

Depends on what division you were in.. and what year it is:cool:
Just answer the question, what it mean to be a state champion?

[dragonfootballfan]

Ok. Yall may be right, i may be a little slow.

Just explain to me what it means to be the State champion, I sometimes forget the meaning.
Trinity is the 5A division 1 state champion. Carroll is the 5A division 2 state champion. If you want to rank the teams subjectively in 5A you can do that in any order using any criteria that you want. If Carroll had beaten Trinity in non-district and both went on to win championships, you would still think that Trinity and Carroll are both the number one ranked team in 5A

[Primetime536]

Trinity is the 5A division 1 state champion. Carroll is the 5A division 2 state champion. If you want to rank the teams subjectively in 5A you can do that in any order using any criteria that you want. If Carroll had beaten Trinity in non-district and both went on to win championships, you would still think that Trinity and Carroll are both the number one ranked team in 5A
No, but thats different. If SLC had beaten ET they would of been better.

Since they didnt, and they are both state champions, they are both #1.

[dragonfootballfan]

No, but thats different. If SLC had beaten ET they would of been better.

Since they didnt, and they are both state champions, they are both #1.
Ok, so the better team should be ranked ahead of the worse teams in a final poll.

Now please state a logical case as to why Trinity should be ranked at or above Carroll. Keep in mind Carroll beat everyone that was put in front of them, while Trinity did not.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Folks - don't y'all realize this this subject was started ty a Trinity-hater and he's feeding off all the negative posts about Trinity.
I'm almost sure I know who he is and he's not from SGP.

[Eagle81]

Stphenville had the game all but won and Texas High led 17-0 at one point. HP was far from dominating. I think Hebron should be mentioned with HP. I guess cause they are the DMN favorite son they fail to recogonize that the Hebron Hawks were pretty good to. My opinion is that Hebron would have been ableto slow Stafford and HP down with their awesome defense. I also think they could move the ball and score on the HP defense.

Bottom line is who won. I like Hebron also but I don't see them beating HP. If you use your logic of close game and should've won, I remember SLC almost losing to a very mediocre Grapevine team. Your point only proves that a great team can have an off night and still pull off a victory over average to good teams. The folks in east Texas will tell you that Marshall is way better than what they showed us in the championship game. Just like SLC folks will tell the Abilene team they smoked was better than what they showed in the playoffs. Thats what happens when good teams having an off night plays a great team.

[pack0808]

Bottom line is who won. I like Hebron also but I don't see them beating HP. If you use your logic of close game and should've won, I remember SLC almost losing to a very mediocre Grapevine team. Your point only proves that a great team can have an off night and still pull off a victory over average to good teams. The folks in east Texas will tell you that Marshall is way better than what they showed us in the championship game. Just like SLC folks will tell the Abilene team they smoked was better than what they showed in the playoffs. Thats what happens when good teams having an off night plays a great team.


When the top 4a teams have played good and even mediocre 5a teams head to head in the last few years 5a has a definite advantage. Ennis, Marshall, Texarkana have all lost to 5a teams like Longview (beat Marshall by double digits twice in the last 2 years), Garland (beat Ennis 2 years in a row, they were the 4a div1 champs last year), and John Tyler (beat Texarkana) Kilgore barely beat JT in ot this year and beat them by 1 point the year before while winning the 4a div2 championship. JT was 2-8 last year. LaMarque beat Galveston ball by only 1 point this year.

These have been some of the best 4a teams in the last 2 years period!! and they are struggling with some 5a teams that have not even been to a state semifinal lately in 5a. That tells me there is a clear advantage in 5a. That is why i have trouble putting HP at #2 in the state. But then again, Hp basically has 5a numbers. ;)

[da wiz]

who is #2......wow

[PantherFan70]

No, but thats different. If SLC had beaten ET they would of been better.

Since they didnt, and they are both state champions, they are both #1.

Can we put offensive, defensive and special team stats up on the board for both teams and let people see the difference in the two teams, also strength of schedule(I don't think that matters much, but would be nice to see). I think this way everyone can see how close or far apart these teams are. NOW... Anyone have all of the stats?

[Fat Boy]

Can you please give us some facts to support your argument. It would appear that your opinion is very much in the minority. In the last 4 years not one 5A team has been able to 'kill' SLC.

lol you know the sophmore for SLC lol well my uncle Le'Roy he said that kid is not good comming from a Dallas Cowboy DT now you know thats a well educated fact and Demitri Nance HighSchool's best over rated running back lol he would run threw and over SLC and Trinity's defense you all seen the Judson game on t.v. thats why they would beat SLC and the teams SLC played lol where push overs Lufkin come on now put them up against Spring Westfield every year from here on out and see if SLC will finish the season without a loss and Consolidated will be the favorites comming into next years season. reason: Half of their whole varsity team is comming back including star Fullback Daniel Palmer who was out due to a injury and star reciver Detron Lewis and Texas 5A Football best kicker Matt Symanskzi and more...

and if u say thats a lie i will tell u, im 15 and im a Freshmen and i know more about the game of football then a man who has lived and seen it his whole life reason football is my life

[PantherFan70]

lol you know the sophmore for SLC lol well my uncle Le'Roy he said that kid is not good comming from a Dallas Cowboy DT now you know thats a well educated fact and Demitri Nance HighSchool's best over rated running back lol he would run threw and over SLC and Trinity's defense you all seen the Judson game on t.v. thats why they would beat SLC and the teams SLC played lol where push overs Lufkin come on now put them up against Spring Westfield every year from here on out and see if SLC will finish the season without a loss and Consolidated will be the favorites comming into next years season. reason: Half of their whole varsity team is comming back including star Fullback Daniel Palmer who was out due to a injury and star reciver Detron Lewis and Texas 5A Football best kicker Matt Symanskzi and more...

and if u say thats a lie i will tell u, im 15 and im a Freshmen and i know more about the game of football then a man who has lived and seen it his whole life reason football is my life

:rolleyes: If he was your uncle would'nt you know how to spell his name? and do you pay attention in English class?

[Fat Boy]

:rolleyes: If he was your uncle would'nt you know how to spell his name? and do you pay attention in English class?

thats how u spell his name. ignorant dumb adults theses days

[pack0808]

thats how u spell his name. ignorant dumb adults theses days


So you are writing a "thesis" on dumb adult's?? :confused:

[PantherFan70]

thats how u spell his name. ignorant dumb adults theses days

So the Dallas Cowboy depth chart has it wrong? and ESPN? and NFL.com?
Wow! I thought they would have caught that mistake by now! He is the Dallas Cowboy DT right?

[PantherFan70]

So you are writing a "thesis" on dumb adult's?? :confused:

I guess that answers the English question too!

[Fat Boy]

So the Dallas Cowboy depth chart has it wrong? and ESPN? and NFL.com?
Wow! I thought they would have caught that mistake by now! He is the Dallas Cowboy DT right?

Yeap