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TexasHSFootball
12-17-2005, 09:10 PM
I posted this elsewhere now I am posting it here.. excuse my rant but I feel somethiing needs to be said..

Congrats to Throckmorton and Stratford this season as they accomplish something that will quite possibly never be seen again in the history of Texas HS Football. That is being the last "true" state champions. Now I must step into my soap box.

One of the ever evolving faces of competition has just trickled down into the areas that were once considered untouchable as early as the beginning of this season. Starting next season, both Class 1A and Six Man are now joining the rest of the state in declaring not one but two state champions in each classification.

Now I mean no discredit to any of the teams from this season and in the past since multiple state champions have been crowned. But the system is an absolute farce, joke and disappointment. Yes, it has succeeded in bring more championship atmospheres and feelings to the kids, coaches and fans. Yes, we have a fair system in terms of competition balance.

But the fact is that now we live in a world today that has resulted in a sympathetic cry of "we don't want to hurt people's feelings because some schools would not otherwise get the opportunity to be considered a champion." Not only has it resulted in multiple state champions in each classifications, but the sympathetic outcry has reached down into the individual qualifications.

At one time in the state, only the district, city or area champion advanced to the playoffs to determine a state champion. Then as the state grew, so did the playoffs. There were the district champions and the runner ups only advancing. Then there were three. Now there are four.

As the the playoffs expanded, the importance and meaning of being a "true" champion has diminished. Under the the current format for 1A and Six Man for this year, there is a little incentive for being the district champion but not much of one. Now with the system for 5A having four playoff teams qualify, being considered a "true" champion has become a lost art. But that has occured ever since 5A expanded in the 1990's.

Here's to Throckmorton and Stratford for being the last "true" beneficiaries of being considered as a "true" champion. Congrats and enjoy it. As we remove the word "true" from all championships in football in all levels of football from the collegiate level to high school varsity football in Texas. But wait? Who said the AP had to award the National Championship to the winner of the Rose Bowl? Like that of college football, Texas HS Football has found a way to crown multiple champions without the attempt teaching a valuable lesson at what it means to be the only team to be called a champion.

Owls06
12-17-2005, 09:16 PM
I'm sorry you feel that way.

TexasHSFootball
12-17-2005, 09:30 PM
I'm sorry you feel that way.
It's not that I am complaining about the system, just look at how its evolved. I agree it hurts nobody. Every team that won a champioinship game deserves the championship. My point is, look at the historical side and significance of what Throckmorton and Stratford did the last two weeks.

jtk1519
12-17-2005, 10:01 PM
I agree with the Commish here. Starting next year, there will no longer be a "true" state champion. That is sad.

NMHS fan
12-17-2005, 10:06 PM
Hey, at least we don't have a bunch of meaningless games decided by committees using the criteria of who will bring the most fans and money.

Bootsdaddy
12-17-2005, 11:11 PM
Im not neccessarily a fan of the two division setup but I do remember as a kid Lufkin beating eventual 4A champ Brazoswood in pre-district and finishing in a tie with John Tyler and longview with one district loss. All three teams were in the AP Top 10 and two of them (including Lufkin) sat at home during the playoffs because they lost a coin toss. One champ per classification, two teams per district in playoffs sounds about right.

lonny23
12-18-2005, 10:05 AM
I posted this elsewhere now I am posting it here.. excuse my rant but I feel somethiing needs to be said..

Congrats to Throckmorton and Stratford this season as they accomplish something that will quite possibly never be seen again in the history of Texas HS Football. That is being the last "true" state champions. Now I must step into my soap box.

One of the ever evolving faces of competition has just trickled down into the areas that were once considered untouchable as early as the beginning of this season. Starting next season, both Class 1A and Six Man are now joining the rest of the state in declaring not one but two state champions in each classification.

Now I mean no discredit to any of the teams from this season and in the past since multiple state champions have been crowned. But the system is an absolute farce, joke and disappointment. Yes, it has succeeded in bring more championship atmospheres and feelings to the kids, coaches and fans. Yes, we have a fair system in terms of competition balance.

But the fact is that now we live in a world today that has resulted in a sympathetic cry of "we don't want to hurt people's feelings because some schools would not otherwise get the opportunity to be considered a champion." Not only has it resulted in multiple state champions in each classifications, but the sympathetic outcry has reached down into the individual qualifications.

At one time in the state, only the district, city or area champion advanced to the playoffs to determine a state champion. Then as the state grew, so did the playoffs. There were the district champions and the runner ups only advancing. Then there were three. Now there are four.

As the the playoffs expanded, the importance and meaning of being a "true" champion has diminished. Under the the current format for 1A and Six Man for this year, there is a little incentive for being the district champion but not much of one. Now with the system for 5A having four playoff teams qualify, being considered a "true" champion has become a lost art. But that has occured ever since 5A expanded in the 1990's.

Here's to Throckmorton and Stratford for being the last "true" beneficiaries of being considered as a "true" champion. Congrats and enjoy it. As we remove the word "true" from all championships in football in all levels of football from the collegiate level to high school varsity football in Texas. But wait? Who said the AP had to award the National Championship to the winner of the Rose Bowl? Like that of college football, Texas HS Football has found a way to crown multiple champions without the attempt teaching a valuable lesson at what it means to be the only team to be called a champion.
It does seem watered down, especially in the lower classes. The small 5A teams can compete with the largest teams and we don't need 2 champs in 5A. I think the small 3A and 4A schools will have a hard time beating the big schools and I don't have a problem with them having 2 champions. I really don't think 6-man, 1A, or 2A needs 2 champions. Saying all that, if we went to a 6A and balanced out what's now 3A and 4A, we'd probably be able to do away with the 2 champs in each classification.

My numbers with 1 champ in each classification:

6A 1900+ (close to current numbers)
5A 1300-1900
4A 700-1300
3A 400-700
2A 200-400 (close to current numbers)
1A 100-200 (pretty much like now)
6M 6-100 (You can't play if you have under 6!):p

Hey, I like your website and how you had the 3 games at Texas Stadium on the radio. They were a handful of the games I could get at work that the filter didn't block. I nominated your site for website of the year.

lonny23
12-18-2005, 10:10 AM
It does seem watered down, especially in the lower classes. The small 5A teams can compete with the largest teams and we don't need 2 champs in 5A. I think the small 3A and 4A schools will have a hard time beating the big schools and I don't have a problem with them having 2 champions. I really don't think 6-man, 1A, or 2A needs 2 champions. Saying all that, if we went to a 6A and balanced out what's now 3A and 4A, we'd probably be able to do away with the 2 champs in each classification.

My numbers with 1 champ in each classification:

6A 1900+ (close to current numbers)
5A 1300-1900
4A 700-1300
3A 400-700
2A 200-400 (close to current numbers)
1A 100-200 (pretty much like now)
6M 6-100 (You can't play if you have under 6!):p

Hey, I like your website and how you had the 3 games at Texas Stadium on the radio. They were a handful of the games I could get at work that the filter didn't block. I nominated your site for website of the year.
Everybody thinks 6A is not feasible because of travel, but the real benefit is helping 3A and 4A out. Keep 6A like 5A is now, but make 3 classifications between 400-1900 students instead of 2. It will require going back to the old days of zone titles and such when 4A only had 16 districts, but it gets rid of 12 state champs!:eek:

If we keep it like it is, I won't complain. After all, the team that caused us to go to 2 titles in 5A has now played for 8 Division 1 titles since 1990!:cool:

ACM Dad
12-18-2005, 12:03 PM
I don't know if anyone caught the UIL interview during halftime. Uil guy pointed out that the trends were rural schools getting smaller, urban schools seem to be generating the most 5A. Theres a shift from rural to urban.

If that is the case, then 6A and travel should not be as big an issue. I'd like to see 6A in TX.

Drake
12-18-2005, 12:09 PM
The expanded playoff system has nothing to do with inclusion, political correctness, or anyone's feelings... More playoff teams means more teams in contention late in the season and more playoff games... In OTHER words, more gate receipts, more program sales, and more money for the districts... As cynical as it seems, it's as simple as that...