SLC fans can you tell me

[VB Pack Fan]

I,m a true Lufkin panther fan. My nephew is J. Lane. You have a super football program , and what makes your kids so good is the system and the exprience from professionals in your area.For all the speed your kids have, with the 4.4s and 4.5s, why is it they never make it to the track finals in Austin like the others from around the state. Do you have a track program? I,m curious to know this.We send guys and girls to state every year and they do really well ,like this year.

[dragons08]

I,m a true Lufkin panther fan. My nephew is J. Lane. You have a super football program , and what makes your kids so good is the system and the exprience from professionals in your area.For all the speed your kids have, with the 4.4s and 4.5s, why is it they never make it to the track finals in Austin like the others from around the state. Do you have a track program? I,m curious to know this.We send guys and girls to state every year and they do really well ,like this year.
of course we have a track program

[VB Pack Fan]

If the kids are so fast why is they never make a showing in the state finals then

[GoOwls]

I believe he wants you to elaborate as to why all your football speed hasn't shown in your track program, at least not to him. Personally, I don't know about your track program, I'm just helping this guy out. Do the fast football players run track, or are the speeds trumped up? Just helping the guy out. :)

[RidgePride]

Their Kids aren't very fast - they have a few fast players that is it.

Overall they do not have great team speed nor the athletes that East Texas has.

Also, there is something for having game speed.
Some guys put on pads and all of a sudden look real slow.

Some put on the pads and seem faster. Southlake players all seem to be faster when the pads are on.

[drgnbkr]

I can only guess that the Dragons are fast enough.... :confused:

[dragons08]

obviosuly renfro is fast enough, burned everybody

[VB Pack Fan]

Thank you Owl, that what I was wanting to know without making anyone mad about those times.Renfo my be the fastest, but he did not get that from his dad. His dad was one of my favorite players with great hands and routes, but could not run a 4.5 going down hill.

[VB Pack Fan]

As for Renfo running past db,s, as I have told my nephew Lane that at the next level he won,t run over players like in HS. Renfro won,t run by db,s in college like in HS also.The game gets a little faster at the next level for everyone.

[TheDuke]

obviosuly renfro is fast enough, burned everybody

dragon08(Of course we have a track program!)



Easy Hot Rod! Why the arragent posts? Guy wants to ask a Dragon fan a question and you come in with a Cocky Attitude!! Not representing your team very well kid! This is a friendly website, CHILL!

[CCHS77]

I,m a true Lufkin panther fan. My nephew is J. Lane. You have a super football program , and what makes your kids so good is the system and the exprience from professionals in your area.For all the speed your kids have, with the 4.4s and 4.5s, why is it they never make it to the track finals in Austin like the others from around the state. Do you have a track program? I,m curious to know this.We send guys and girls to state every year and they do really well ,like this year.

McKay and Clint were both in the state finals (as Soph.) in '04. Clint got 2nd in the 300H and McKay got 7th in the 200M. This year McKay's 200 times were just not as fast. Many say still lingering effect of the broken leg in football. I assume you know that Clint went back to the state finals in the 300H and got 2nd again, this year.

FYI, Clint's Dad is the first to say that Clint didn't get his speed from him, but his grandfather who was very good in hurdles and played in the NFL.

[dragons08]

dragon08(Of course we have a track program!)



Easy Hot Rod! Why the arragent posts? Guy wants to ask a Dragon fan a question and you come in with a Cocky Attitude!! Not representing your team very well kid! This is a friendly website, CHILL!
sorry, it didnt come out the way i wanted to, i'll think more next time i post

[drgnbkr]

dragon08(Of course we have a track program!)



Easy Hot Rod! Why the arragent posts? Guy wants to ask a Dragon fan a question and you come in with a Cocky Attitude!! Not representing your team very well kid! This is a friendly website, CHILL!

It's not cocky..every 5-A high school has a track program & Carroll's is one of the best. Many State Champs, but not so many in the sprints. Coach Dodge requires football players to run track unless they play baseball. Everytime someone from Carroll tries to answer a question, someone cries "arrogance", it gets old. We don't apologize for winning.

[dragonfootballfan]

sorry, it didnt come out the way i wanted to, i'll think more next time i post
you don't need to apologize. That post

"Of course we have a track program"

Is not cocky at all. People just assume that since your name has dragon in it you cannot call someone out nor can you point out when someone is wrong just because your team wins.

TheDuke you are the one that needs to chill out. That comment was not cocky at all. Your comment on the other hand was pretty cocky

[dragons06]

We won our first district title in track this season since like 10 yrs ago (Something bad like that). I think its the way the team is conditioned that makes us so fast on the field, and then there are those kids like Renfro that have natural speed.

[GoOwls]

I don't know if it was cocky, but the response was snide at best. The poor guy asked a simple question and wanted some specifics and D08 laid that abrupt egg on him with no explanation. It at the bare minimum showed a lack of compassion for a fellow board member, and frankly, it's a bit below what I have grown to expect from Dragon fans, especially the ones who are defending the coment. The person in question has already apologized, and rightly so. :mad:

[dragons08]

I,m a true Lufkin panther fan. My nephew is J. Lane. You have a super football program , and what makes your kids so good is the system and the exprience from professionals in your area.For all the speed your kids have, with the 4.4s and 4.5s, why is it they never make it to the track finals in Austin like the others from around the state. Do you have a track program? I,m curious to know this.We send guys and girls to state every year and they do really well ,like this year.
acuttaly if you read that, it says "Do you have a track program" so i answered the question asked, and i guess it came out as cocky to some people, but i did answer the question

[CCHS77]

We send guys and girls to state every year and they do really well ,like this year.

How many of the lufkin guys did you send to the state finals, this year?

[GoOwls]

acuttaly if you read that, it says "Do you have a track program" so i answered the question asked, and i guess it came out as cocky to some people, but i did answer the question

Yes, basicly you are correct, but the general gist of the note is that he wants an explanation of why you have so much speed, but he never hears of track success. It's pretty ticky-tack, but I thought his intent was clear. JMHO.

[dragons08]

Yes, basicly you are correct, but the general gist of the note is that he wants an explanation of why you have so much speed, but he never hears of track success. It's pretty ticky-tack, but I thought his intent was clear. JMHO.
3-4 hours of sleep messes with your mind..

[GoOwls]

I understand..........completely. :)

[dragons08]

I understand..........completely. :)
good to know, i love sleep, i tend to...."forget" i have to get up early on occasion

[SLC-Dad]

I believe he wants you to elaborate as to why all your football speed hasn't shown in your track program, at least not to him. Personally, I don't know about your track program, I'm just helping this guy out. Do the fast football players run track, or are the speeds trumped up? Just helping the guy out. :)

Hey Owl....it's kind of ironic for you to be scolding anyone else about snide posts after your little zinger.....

[GoOwls]

Look dude, that wasn't meant as a zinger, I was trying to portray what the Lufkin guy was asking about. Why was there an apparent difference, in his opinion, not mine. I've never said a bad word about your school, and I stand in awe of the program. Garland has a bunch of fast guys, but not many run track as the coaches would rather they not run track, but train all year for football. Please don't be so touchy.

[SLC-Dad]

Look dude, that wasn't meant as a zinger, I was trying to portray what the Lufkin guy was asking about. Why was there an apparent difference, in his opinion, not mine. I've never said a bad word about your school, and I stand in awe of the program. Garland has a bunch of fast guys, but not many run track as the coaches would rather they not run track, but train all year for football. Please don't be so touchy.

So sorry Owl.....I didn't realize the phrase "are the speeds trumped up?" had a positive meaning in Garland-speak....... ;)

[dragons06]

Look dude, that wasn't meant as a zinger, I was trying to portray what the Lufkin guy was asking about. Why was there an apparent difference, in his opinion, not mine. I've never said a bad word about your school, and I stand in awe of the program. Garland has a bunch of fast guys, but not many run track as the coaches would rather they not run track, but train all year for football. Please don't be so touchy.
See thats different at Carroll. If you run track (which is almost the whole football team, they just dont all make the meets), you run after football offseason. The only people excluded are baseball players. I guess that gives us an extra edge too.

[implacable44]

look just about everybody's 40 times are a little trumped up. just like everybody's height and weight is trumped up too. that is just how it goes.

[slcsportsfan]

As someone who has been to about a million track meets, let me offer this bit of insight. Caroll does have a track program like other schools. I will tell you that there is stark difference in our track coaches and the coaches from "track" schools. You can tell from the form and handoffs that track is not our forte. We are getting better but, no where near where we have to go. I would also tell you that, until they put the 40 down as an event, you won't see SLC tearing up the track world. I believe the last sprinter we had make the regionals was Luna. We have some fast kids and with the right coaching would be much better. I think a unique aspect of our program is, right or wrong, it is used to keep everyone in condition. We have soccer players, football players, volleyball, basketball ect all coming out. Baseball is the only sport that gets a pass. As for 40 times, the numbers put up by the men in question have all been timed at combines or other non-SLC events. I have always thought that unless you've ran a 40 or 100 at a combine or track meet, it shouldn't be considered as accurate.

[CCHS77]

As someone who has been to about a million track meets, let me offer this bit of insight. Caroll does have a track program like other schools. I will tell you that there is stark difference in our track coaches and the coaches from "track" schools. You can tell from the form and handoffs that track is not our forte. We are getting better but, no where near where we have to go. I would also tell you that, until they put the 40 down as an event, you won't see SLC tearing up the track world. I believe the last sprinter we had make the regionals was Luna. We have some fast kids and with the right coaching would be much better. I think a unique aspect of our program is, right or wrong, it is used to keep everyone in condition. We have soccer players, football players, volleyball, basketball ect all coming out. Baseball is the only sport that gets a pass. As for 40 times, the numbers put up by the men in question have all been timed at combines or other non-SLC events. I have always thought that unless you've ran a 40 or 100 at a combine or track meet, it shouldn't be considered as accurate.


Even if 100M is your only criteria, McKay is the last "sprinter" to run at the Regionals. Every other part of your post, is "right on".

[dragonsdaddy]

didn't trey newton qualify for regionals in the 100 this year as a freshman? if the 100 is the event to discuss, the last state qualifier was back in 99, matt scratchard. mckay was only in the 200 at austin as a soph.

[CCHS77]

didn't trey newton qualify for regionals in the 100 this year as a freshman? if the 100 is the event to discuss, the last state qualifier was back in 99, matt scratchard. mccay was only in the 200 at austin as a soph.


Newton was third at district, this year.

DD,

MY bad! Was this the first year that three from each district went to Regionals?

[dragonsdaddy]

i tend to believe that is a true fact.

[CCHS77]

Direct correlation between a football squad’s success and a track team’s success is less than perfect. Case in point SLC versus Lewisville, in the first year that the Dragon’s were in 5A, and placed in the district (7-5A) with the Farmers.


District track meet;

1. Lewisville, 158
2. Southlake Carroll, 120

Football;

W 52-14*

*And it wasn’t that close

[TheDuke]

you don't need to apologize. That post

"Of course we have a track program"

Is not cocky at all. People just assume that since your name has dragon in it you cannot call someone out nor can you point out when someone is wrong just because your team wins.

TheDuke you are the one that needs to chill out. That comment was not cocky at all. Your comment on the other hand was pretty cocky


Well Well!! Take a good look at yourself right now!! Maybe YOU need to chill out!!
:D

[RGVBadBoy]

you know, another HS with an ELITE football program that doesnt really ever have too good of a track team is Smithson Vally, the Rangers have 2 WRs listed at 4.5 and 4.4 in the 40, yet either competed in track, so its kinda hard to see what kinda speed they really got, something tells me that if they were 10.3 100m guys that they would run track....track times and 40 times are OVERRATED!!!!

[VB Pack Fan]

Guys looks like I stirr up a honets nest with my question.Thanks Garland Owl for helping me out. I have never said anything negative about SLC or any other school.Coach Outlaw brought are track program back, it was dead, and that,s when our football program really took off. We had Shankle placing 2nd in the finals in 200m ,Hewitt would have done well but still rehabing from the knee.I love HS football and agree that 40 times aren,t really all that. There are not a lot of legit 4.3 and 4.4 in HS, so I hope I did not offend SLC fans with that question. Garland Owl thanks man ,if you ever in Lufkin let me know, you got lunch or dinner coming.....GO PACK....oh and that goes for some of you SLC fans too :)

[CCHS77]

Guys looks like I stirr up a honets nest with my question.Thanks Garland Owl for helping me out. I have never said anything negative about SLC or any other school.Coach Outlaw brought are track program back, it was dead, and that,s when our football program really took off. We had Shankle placing 2nd in the finals in 200m ,Hewitt would have done well but still rehabing from the knee.I love HS football and agree that 40 times aren,t really all that. There are not a lot of legit 4.3 and 4.4 in HS, so I hope I did not offend SLC fans with that question. Garland Owl thanks man ,if you ever in Lufkin let me know, you got lunch or dinner coming.....GO PACK....oh and that goes for some of you SLC fans too :)


VB P F,

Thanks for the invite!

One guy at the state finals?

Your initial post made it sound like more.

The "Do you have a track program" really could have been phrased a little different, if information on track success at district/regionals/state track meets was what you were after.

Your point, "There are not a lot of legit 4.3 and 4.4 in HS" is very true and seem to be what you were really after. It's true for North Texas, South Texas, West Texas and East Texas.

[dragonfootballfan]

Guys looks like I stirr up a honets nest with my question.Thanks Garland Owl for helping me out. I have never said anything negative about SLC or any other school.Coach Outlaw brought are track program back, it was dead, and that,s when our football program really took off. We had Shankle placing 2nd in the finals in 200m ,Hewitt would have done well but still rehabing from the knee.I love HS football and agree that 40 times aren,t really all that. There are not a lot of legit 4.3 and 4.4 in HS, so I hope I did not offend SLC fans with that question. Garland Owl thanks man ,if you ever in Lufkin let me know, you got lunch or dinner coming.....GO PACK....oh and that goes for some of you SLC fans too :)
Guys we have all got to have a little more thick skin. We can't be going around worrying about offending people by asking about a track program or answering in a certain way. There were no direct insults yet everyone is apologizing. Comeon

[VB Pack Fan]

Well I did not say we had many kids at the state final, but we had a few,the one I stated had the best showing, remember this is State so all the best are there.And yes I did forget to ask if the football kids were on the track team. We at Lufkin don,t put emphases on football all year, but I think we do fairly well for a small town of barely 32,000 folks.My nephew not only played football, but basketball and on the track team too.

[ktCarl]

Thank you Owl, that what I was wanting to know without making anyone mad about those times.Renfo my be the fastest, but he did not get that from his dad. His dad was one of my favorite players with great hands and routes, but could not run a 4.5 going down hill.

Hey! I saw Renfro's Dad catch a pass in a 1978 NFL turkey day game against Dallas and outrun their secondary for a touchdown.

[RidgePride]

Guys we have all got to have a little more thick skin. We can't be going around worrying about offending people by asking about a track program or answering in a certain way. There were no direct insults yet everyone is apologizing. Comeon



I agree 100%

Plus you must remember that there is no such thing as a stupid question, Just stupid people that ask questions.

So when you think a stupid question is raised just remember; To them it is a whole hearted good question.

[VB Pack Fan]

To "ktcarl"I was a big Oiler fan and Renfro was awesome running routes. On any given day he might have outrun them , but a speedster he was not, just a great football player.....and I still say he caught that pass against in that playoff game, what do you guys think. :D

[wide-e-wide]

He caught it...
the wet field made it hard to tell. And I'm sure in "real time"
it was really hard to tell.
Renfro was good. That's it. Not awesome...not super-quick....not
all-galaxy...he was just good. I liked him.

[Texasfrog]

To "ktcarl"I was a big Oiler fan and Renfro was awesome running routes. On any given day he might have outrun them , but a speedster he was not, just a great football player.....and I still say he caught that pass against in that playoff game, what do you guys think. :D

Heck ya that was a dang CATCH !!!! That play is one of the biggest reasons "instant replay" was started. They always go back and show that play when the topic of instant replay gets debated. Everyone and their brother knows that was a touchdown and the Oilers and Earl Campbell should of been playing for the "RING" that year.

[drgnbkr]

Your right about instant replay starting as a result of that play....every angle, every replay showed catch.....sad but true...the Steelers moved on and the Oilers stayed home...

[drgnbkr]

Well I did not say we had many kids at the state final, but we had a few,the one I stated had the best showing, remember this is State so all the best are there.And yes I did forget to ask if the football kids were on the track team. We at Lufkin don,t put emphases on football all year, but I think we do fairly well for a small town of barely 32,000 folks.My nephew not only played football, but basketball and on the track team too.

32,000 people? We don't have that many in Southlake...we are the small town, with the big town program!

[GoOwls]

Guys looks like I stirr up a honets nest with my question.Thanks Garland Owl for helping me out. I have never said anything negative about SLC or any other school.Coach Outlaw brought are track program back, it was dead, and that,s when our football program really took off. We had Shankle placing 2nd in the finals in 200m ,Hewitt would have done well but still rehabing from the knee.I love HS football and agree that 40 times aren,t really all that. There are not a lot of legit 4.3 and 4.4 in HS, so I hope I did not offend SLC fans with that question. Garland Owl thanks man ,if you ever in Lufkin let me know, you got lunch or dinner coming.....GO PACK....oh and that goes for some of you SLC fans too :)

Glad I could help, or at least try to anyway. I could tell they were gonna just mess with you, so I tried to clarify and at leat one of 'em still got his dander up. I always respected the SL fans, but a couple of them are starting to act like some of the Highland Park folk. No offense to the rest of you nice folks from SL.

[dragons08]

Glad I could help, or at least try to anyway. I could tell they were gonna just mess with you, so I tried to clarify and at leat one of 'em still got his dander up. I always respected the SL fans, but a couple of them are starting to act like some of the Highland Park folk. No offense to the rest of you nice folks from SL.
i really didnt mean for what i said to turn into disrespect towards SLC, so like i said b4 i'll think!

[GoOwls]

You're not who I'm talking about. You at least show compassion, a rare thing for a 15 year old, I'm proud of your ability to admit error, it's a fine trait.....certainly some of the adults from SL could learn from you. :)

[dragons08]

You're not who I'm talking about. You at least show compassion, a rare thing for a 15 year old, I'm proud of your ability to admit error, it's a fine trait.....certainly some of the adults from SL could learn from you. :)
oh thanks man, parents always taught me to admitt my mistakes and move on

[myround0]

Their Kids aren't very fast - they have a few fast players that is it.

Overall they do not have great team speed nor the athletes that East Texas has.

Also, there is something for having game speed.
Some guys put on pads and all of a sudden look real slow.

Some put on the pads and seem faster. Southlake players all seem to be faster when the pads are on.


I could go into the roids brief, but I want. The fact is football speed and track speed are two different speeds, any track star/football player knows that. It is just like saying basketball players who are quick should be good track runners. Fact of the matter is this, quicks count a lot more in basketball and football and even baseball then overall speed. SLC might use roids, I don't doubt it, but track speed and football speed are two seperate issues.

[dragons08]

I could go into the roids brief, but I want. The fact is football speed and track speed are two different speeds, any track star/football player knows that. It is just like saying basketball players who are quick should be good track runners. Fact of the matter is this, quicks count a lot more in basketball and football and even baseball then overall speed. SLC might use roids, I don't doubt it, but track speed and football speed are two seperate issues.
why bring roids into this now? what does that have to do with this?

[southlake thug]

I could go into the roids brief, but I want. The fact is football speed and track speed are two different speeds, any track star/football player knows that. It is just like saying basketball players who are quick should be good track runners. Fact of the matter is this, quicks count a lot more in basketball and football and even baseball then overall speed. SLC might use roids, I don't doubt it, but track speed and football speed are two seperate issues.


yes honestly lets be mature here. why bring that kind of stuff up

[wide-e-wide]

southlake thug...that still cracks me up...
That's like Salt Lake City pimp...hahahaha

[dragons08]

southlake thug...that still cracks me up...
That's like Salt Lake City pimp...hahahaha
haha what?

[wide-e-wide]

The point being there isn't a lot of pimping going on in Salt Lake City...
just like there isn't a lot of thuggin' goin' on in South Lake...or Southlake...or however it is spelled.

[dragons08]

The point being there isn't a lot of pimping going on in Salt Lake City...
just like there isn't a lot of thuggin' goin' on in South Lake...or Southlake...or however it is spelled.
oh i get it

[southlake thug]

The point being there isn't a lot of pimping going on in Salt Lake City...
just like there isn't a lot of thuggin' goin' on in South Lake...or Southlake...or however it is spelled.


you have no idea man.. have you ever visited this place

[wide-e-wide]

I'm sure if I did...I would be the one being arrested.

It's right up there with the worst neighborhoods in the country...

theres Flatbush Ave. in Brooklyn, Compton,Ca....and then South Lake right?

[dragons08]

you have no idea man.. have you ever visited this place
i assume that was sarcastic..

[wide-e-wide]

Hard times are .....when the expresso machine acts up at Starbuck's....or American Eagle sold out of all the cargo pants...man...I don't know how you people survive there...no wonder there are so many thugs.

[wide-e-wide]

What am I doing? I'm having an argument with someone who is young enough to be one of my kids. I'm such a loser....ain't that right GoOwls?

[dragons08]

What am I doing? I'm having an argument with someone who is young enough to be one of my kids. I'm such a loser....ain't that right GoOwls?
well, i feel like answering that, and yes i would to..

[Bootsdaddy]

Hard times is like .....when the expresso machine acts up at Starbuck's....or American Eagle sold out of all the cargo pants...man...I don't know how you people survive there...no wonder there are so many thugs.


I thought the same thing when I saw that handle. No offense-its just funny. Drop him off on the corner of Keltys and Highland at midnight. And Lufkin's mild compared to a real city. That's like saying Crown Colony Killas!

[wide-e-wide]

hahahhahahaha....
Keltys and Highland huh?
How about Cedar Grove on the 1st or 15th?
hahahaha...
my thoughts exactly

[Bootsdaddy]

hahahhahahaha....
Keltys and Highland huh?
How about Cedar Grove on the 1st or 15th?
hahahaha...
my thoughts exactly


I forgot about Cedar Grove. That's not even in the city. I dont think the Sheriff's Dept feels too good about going out there. No offense to anybody. I know its only a small percentage of people in those neighborhoods who cause problems.

[wide-e-wide]

It just looked funny ...South Lake and thug that close together...
your right....that's like spray painting Crown Colony Killas...there's
just something really wrong with that picture. Somebody needs to leave their neighborhood more often I guess...

[Bootsdaddy]

I think the per capita income in Southlake is well over $100K a year. Dont get me wrong-I know that suburban kids can knock you out just as fast as the kids in the ghetto but c'mon-thuggin when you got a couple of Benz's and a Porsche in the driveway?

Man we are way off topic!

[implacable44]

at the least it is $100k - that is probably very conservative. That doesn't make them good or bad people though - just wealthy in appearance. I know a few of them that make that much but spend even more though - heavy debts. As far as Thug - well I doubt it. At least there is no need for it anyway. Southlake is surrounded by Colleyville, Keller, North Richland Hills and Grapevine - all nice communities. There is no ghetto there. Maybe he is kinda like JAmie Kennedy in Malibu's Most Wanted.

[southlake thug]

at the least it is $100k - that is probably very conservative. That doesn't make them good or bad people though - just wealthy in appearance. I know a few of them that make that much but spend even more though - heavy debts. As far as Thug - well I doubt it. At least there is no need for it anyway. Southlake is surrounded by Colleyville, Keller, North Richland Hills and Grapevine - all nice communities. There is no ghetto there. Maybe he is kinda like JAmie Kennedy in Malibu's Most Wanted.

i am jamie kennedy

[CCHS77]

Southlake is surrounded by Colleyville, Keller, North Richland Hills and Grapevine - all nice communities.

implacable44,

Which of the above communities are you from?

[wide-e-wide]

i am jamie kennedy

You do know that movie was a spoof right?
He was making fun of kids that act like that...it's not cool
it's stupid.

[drgnbkr]

I think half the kids in Southlake have subwoofers...they all think they are gangstas..... :cool:

[BigFanSLC]

so haveing subwoofers makes you gangsta? maybe we just like to hear our music at its finest, old timer haha j/k

[drgnbkr]

Read back thru the posts, you young whippersnapper...they were making fun of southlake thug....I was just expanding on that topic...I guess I'll go take my nap...

[VB Pack Fan]

Hey guys I started this talking about football and track , where did all this other stuff come from........ :confused:

[drgnbkr]

Yeah, your right...Carroll does have a good track & field program, but typically does better in the distances than the sprints as far as the running events go. As people have stated previously, our guys have plenty of "football speed" to get the job done.

[Texasfrog]

Yeah, your right...Carroll does have a good track & field program, but typically does better in the distances than the sprints as far as the running events go. As people have stated previously, our guys have plenty of "football speed" to get the job done.


This whole debate about SLC speed is frankly funny.. SLC has proven 3 Years in a row that they are fast enough to make the Texas Title game and two times they won it !

I'm with Drgnbkr... SLC has proven and will probably prove again that they are fast enough to play with the Lufkins, Denton Ryans and ect.

The ironic thing.. the team that beat SLC was KATY. Another very talented team that gets disrespected by alot of people for being a so called slow team.

Wow, two so called slow teams--- SLC and Katy and all they do is WIN BABY.

Something to be said about having alot of good coachable kids I think....

[VB Pack Fan]

Thank you guys, and yes I never said that they did not have football speed. But it takes much more than speed.SLC is the team to beat in Div2.But our kids will be right there, so don,t slack off. And by the way Lufkin beat the Div 1 champs in 2004 and the Div2 champs Katy in 2003, so you know whos next....... :)

[drgnbkr]

Who?

[dragonsdaddy]

so someone you beat during the reg season will win state. scooter will be glad to hear that.

[implacable44]

Keller

[VB Pack Fan]

Well I would love to think that can beat whomever we play. There are no teams that are unbeatable. But Lufkin is young on offense this year. Lost the whole o- line, new qb from jv,new running backs.The only starters are two receivers, and one that started two games but he may be the best of them.

[dragonsdaddy]

that sound you're hearing is the smallest violin in the world playing "my heart bleeds for you". you all will reload well and have a pretty good set of receivers to build on.

[ktCarl]

To "ktcarl"I was a big Oiler fan and Renfro was awesome running routes. On any given day he might have outrun them , but a speedster he was not, just a great football player.....and I still say he caught that pass against in that playoff game, what do you guys think. :D

Sorry it took me a while to respond. I've been busy and I recently had surgery on my hernia. "OUCH!" Hurts to sit down and get up.
Yes, Renfro caught that pass in the Steeler game. Everyone knows it including Steeler fans. The ref blew it and in a situation like that where there is uncertainty the home team usually gets the call.
I agree he wasn't a barn-burner but he was fast enough to get the job done. He was a really good 'possession receiver'. I'm glad to see his son is doing well up there in Dragonland. Would love to see him in the State Final against Katy!!!!!

[wide-e-wide]

Where did Mike Renfro play college ball?
TCU?

[ktCarl]

Where did Mike Renfro play college ball?
TCU?
I think you are correct.
Now for the big question.
Did Mike's Dad play for Cleveland and then for the Cowboys or am I thinking of someone else?

[wide-e-wide]

Mike's Dad?
Not sure...Mike played for the Oilers and then the Cowboys.

[dragonsdaddy]

that's correct. ray renfro played for the browns, and the mean green ntsu eagles.

[wide-e-wide]

So if Renfro makes it...that will be 3 generations?
wow...
Quick trivia...how many times has that happened?

The Matthews right?...
anybody else?

[dragonsdaddy]

there aren't that many 2 generations to go thru. billy ray smith sr and jr comes to mind as a local entry. winslow would count if he can smarten up and lose the bike.

[Bootsdaddy]

Lawrence McCutcheon RB for the Rams in the '70's and Dylan (sp?) McCutcheon, DB for swveral teams including the Browns

Tony Dorsett and Anthony, DB for the Titans and Raiders among others

[wide-e-wide]

Terry and Eric Metcalf
Bob and Brian Griese
Phil and Chrissy Simms

[dragons08]

tiki and rondei barber

[dragons08]

nvm, their brothers

[wide-e-wide]

Totally forgot about

Archie,Peyton and Eli Manning
Ronnie Lott and Ryan Nece

[dragons08]

Totally forgot about

Archie,Peyton and Eli Manning
Ronnie Lott and Ryan Nece
ahh i was just thinking about the mannings

[ktCarl]

there aren't that many 2 generations to go thru. billy ray smith sr and jr comes to mind as a local entry. winslow would count if he can smarten up and lose the bike.

Hey, dragonsdude and the rest of dragonland.
What is Mike Renfro doing these days? What kind
of business is he in? Is it in Dallas or Southlake?
Just curious.

[dragonsdaddy]

he's working at the horse racing facility in grand prarie in their promotions department.