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alleneaglefan07

03-23-2009, 06:56 PM

Maroondog

03-23-2009, 07:12 PM

Not in a million years. You read the board, it's 26-5A. :eek::p:D

alleneagle4

03-23-2009, 07:16 PM

wizenbud

03-23-2009, 07:24 PM

i thought this was already agreed upon for the past two seasons?

Just because you brought it up........

Once you sweep both D1 and D2 titles in the same year... then you can say that 8-5A is the best "hands-down". Just an opinion. :D

Maroondog

03-23-2009, 07:27 PM

Just because you brought it up........

Once you sweep both D1 and D2 titles in the same year... then you can say that 8-5A is the best "hands-down". Just an opinion. :D

I saw this one coming a mile away. 26-5 RULES! :notworthy

wizenbud

03-23-2009, 07:30 PM

I saw this one coming a mile away. 26-5 RULES! :notworthy

We are annoying little punks, aren't we. :p:D

But, I'll give 8-5A their due.... they are pretty good.;)

Maroondog

03-23-2009, 07:33 PM

We are annoying little punks, aren't we. :p:D

But, I'll give 8-5A their due.... they are pretty good.;)

So when's the next repeat of the sweep? And by whom?

wizenbud

03-23-2009, 07:38 PM

So when's the next repeat of the sweep? And by whom?

Well, not to sound like too much of a homer.....
But, TR, SV and Madison had really good, young teams last year. We are expecting some big things in 2009. It wouldn't be to far out to think we could send 2 teams to state again this year. At least sweep R4 again. Lots of speed and size at TR and Madison. Then there is always SV. They are about due for a run at the ring. So down here in 26-5A, we are looking to rebound from what we considered a down year. At least that's our hope.:o:D

Maroondog

03-23-2009, 07:42 PM

Well, not to sound like too much of a homer.....
But, TR, SV and Madison had really good, young teams last year. We are expecting some big things in 2009. It wouldn't be to far out to think we could send 2 teams to state again this year. At least sweep R4 again. Lots of speed and size at TR and Madison. Then there is always SV. They are about due for a run at the ring. So down here in 26-5A, we are looking to rebound from what we considered a down year. At least that's our hope.:o:D

Keep thinking those positive thoughts!

Not gonna happen.

Wypirates03

03-23-2009, 07:43 PM

with allen, plano, plano east and plano west, wylie and regardless a weak addition of mckinney boyd and jesuit district 8-5a looks to be the hardest to play in. returning division 1 state champs allen and state finalists wylie look to pack a big punch. as well as the always tough plano and most always hard plano east team. i say hands down 8-5a is the best district :D

Last year, but we'll need a few weeks of the next season to make a determination.

There's several big games next year in the early weeks that will give us a look.

Allen plays Longivew and Trinity
Wylie plays Hebron
Plano East plays Abilene and Skyline
Plano plays DeSoto and Hebron
Plano West plays SLC and Flower Mound Marcus

(That's going off of memory, so I may have a few messed up)

From that I'm not going to say 8-5A has the toughest predistrict schedule, but it does bring up the question, of which I will create another thread for.

Let's start with Allen:
They're bringing back both QBs - Matt Brown and Tucker Carter - Who I both see going D1. While they lose; Uzoma Nwachukwu, WR, Dakarai Pecikonis, WR, Bradlee Waddell, WR (a combined 1900+ yards on the season, and Jeremiah Williams, RB, (1197 yards in 16 games) on the offensive side, they usually are capable of bringing up talent and building up on the offensive side relatively quickly. Jeremy Reeves, DB, Steven Terrell, DB, are huge loses on the defensive side of the ball, and I know they'll be losing some great linemen on both sides... but as long as their defense plays well... I think they'll be the front runners again.

Plano:
Obviously the loss of the triplets (Rex Burkhead, RB, Kris Lott, WR, and Carson Meger, QB) will hurt.

Holt Hoetger should be able to step up as the #1 receiver next year. That kid has some skills and being 6' 3" definitely helps. The problem will be in how long it takes them to get everyone involved with the offense and clicking. This year it took a few games, but after that, they had a great offense.

Last years problems were obviously the defense. I'm not sure who they're losing specifically, but with any hope it's not much. I'm sure PWF or another Plano follower can get more in depth with their defensive struggles of this year and fill us in on the big losses and those who will be coming in to fill those roles.

Pending a big change in their defensive system, I think they will make another push. I guess it really depends on how well their chemistry is at the start of district play.

Wylie:
Wylie loses a lot of tallent with Jarod Monk, QB, Justin Thompson, WR, and Logan Lambert, WR, at the offensive skill positions. They return Colby Harper, WR, Noah Cheshier ,QB, converted from TE - D1 recruit, and Nick Knott, RB, - D1 recruit. I'm still not sold on Colby being a true #1 (and his dad will kill me next time he sees me, I'm sure)... based on his height. But based on route running, hands, etc... it's a great receiver. The next question at receiver will be speed. Who will they have that can replace the speed of Logan and Justin? On the offensive line, they lose Caleb Moore, Heath Smith, and Michael Boyefio. However, they still have Paul Finnie, and Alvaro Umana (who had a lot of playing time last year.) I personally think the offensive line will be fine, but it's worth watching in the early games.

Defensivly Wylie also loses a lot. Daniel Jordan, DB, Alan Menchaca, DB, Corey Smith, DB, Izzy Eziakor, LB, Marco Sauceda, LB, (Not a ton of playing time, but he was great when he was in the game). On the defensive line they lose Devan Drake, Nikita Whitlock,John Pittman, and Devon Drake.

They are however returning a lot of talent. Starting with the linebacker corps; Toby Ball, James Carter, and Tyler Mathers. In the secondary, the only returning starter will be Zach Lowe. That could hurt, but in the defensive system Wylie has, I can see them bringing up a lot of talent. On the defensive line the Pirates return Colton Whitehead, who was slated as a starter at the beginning of the season but I believe was injured for the season.

This will require Wylie to play a true 3-4 defense instead of just covering their gaps. I think they will be forced to actually play man a lot more and take out some of the blitzing packages. Losing the amount that they do on the DL will definitly hurt, but again... if they can get around that, I think they can make another run and I wouldn't doubt another matchup with Hebron in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Hrm, that took a lot of time, so I'll do what I can with the other teams later tonight or tomorrow.

grayowl60

03-23-2009, 09:12 PM

i thought this was already agreed upon for the past two seasons?

"Agreed for past two sesons"? No. Last year, no question, but 07:;)(1st rounnd)
Garland Namman Forest 42, Plano West 20
Garland Rowlett 37 Allen 32
Plano 42,Rockwall 35 (by a hamstring)
South Garland 40, Wylie 21

STPFootball2011

03-23-2009, 09:20 PM

helps that 8-5a is in the land of 5000 student schools.

SLC

03-23-2009, 09:56 PM

Just because you brought it up........

Once you sweep both D1 and D2 titles in the same year... then you can say that 8-5A is the best "hands-down". Just an opinion. :D

And when did that happen?

SLC

03-23-2009, 09:57 PM

helps that 8-5a is in the land of 5000 student schools.

No crying in football....er Texas really.

farmerfan

03-23-2009, 10:03 PM

No crying in football....er Texas really.

Its only an issue outside of the DF-Dub. Now bands, I have heard thats a different issue. I heard when the escadrille comes marching in the opposing Tuba sections run for the buses out of shame and fear

Wypirates03

03-23-2009, 10:25 PM

helps that 8-5a is in the land of 5000 student schools.

Yet a school with 2700 had a chance to win district...

You still field 11 at a time, son.

SLC

03-23-2009, 11:07 PM

Yet a school with 2700 had a chance to win district...

You still field 11 at a time, son.

Yet he weeps, cause he doesn't really understand what history says about the "big" schools....all 6 of them.

b756561

03-23-2009, 11:08 PM

helps that 8-5a is in the land of 5000 student schools.
You use what you have.
As a personal aside here, I personally believe that Stony Point (even though they lost to Allen in the last seconds of the game) was the best team in the state last year. Well, maybe the second best team. Allen did win even though they were playing with their second string QB. Okay, I take back, Allen does deserve to be #1, but dang that Stony Point team looked good. I went to Waco to support Allen and came away very impressed with the team I wanted them to beat. http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/images/icons/icon14.gif

farmerfan

03-23-2009, 11:13 PM

You use what you have.
As a personal aside here, I personally believe that Stony Point (even though they lost to Allen in the last seconds of the game) was the best team in the state last year. Well, maybe the second best team. Allen did win even though they were playing with their second string QB. Okay, I take back, Allen does deserve to be #1, but dang that Stony Point team looked good. I went to Waco to support Allen and came away very impressed with the team I wanted them to beat. http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/images/icons/icon14.gif

I heard a lot of good things about SP last year. I saw GoOwls at te Trinity/Allen po game and he told me that the SP/Allen game would be to close to call. Sounds like he was right on with his assessment too.

wizenbud

03-24-2009, 03:13 AM

And when did that happen?

Only once in TX HS Football history has one district swept the 2 divisions in 5A..... 1995.... 26-5A.

SA Roosevelt.... 16-0
Converse Judson.... 15-1

That help ?? :D

SLC

03-24-2009, 10:09 AM

Only once in TX HS Football history has one district swept the 2 divisions in 5A..... 1995.... 26-5A.

SA Roosevelt.... 16-0
Converse Judson.... 15-1

That help ?? :D

I knew the answer to the question when I asked it....The important thing is you said it out loud....it was almost 14 years ago, so I doubt the 265 producing 2 winners 14 seasons ago constitutes being the best district in the state all these seasons later....Especially since its produced only one winner since then.;):D

SP Tiger Backer

03-24-2009, 11:30 AM

Yet a school with 2700 had a chance to win district...

You still field 11 at a time, son.

Thats right. In fact since even 1A only fields 11 players at a time we should get rid of the 1A through 5A rankings and all play each other regardless of the number of potential players available to form a team.

wizenbud

03-24-2009, 03:39 PM

I knew the answer to the question when I asked it....The important thing is you said it out loud....it was almost 14 years ago, so I doubt the 265 producing 2 winners 14 seasons ago constitutes being the best district in the state all these seasons later....Especially since its produced only one winner since then.;):D

Yet no district in the state other than 26-5A can say they have completed the same sweep. So........ the statement that 8-5A is "Hand-down the best" rings a bit hollow. Just an opinion. :D

Not to mention, 26-5A has also swept their region more than once. Just FYI.

johnnywkrp

03-24-2009, 04:06 PM

Jesuit will make the playoffs this year if not win the district

slcdragonfan

03-24-2009, 04:16 PM

why don't you guys put a poll on this thread. And make sure it references not "all-time" but last year/next year.

STPFootball2011

03-24-2009, 05:39 PM

Thats right. In fact since even 1A only fields 11 players at a time we should get rid of the 1A through 5A rankings and all play each other regardless of the number of potential players available to form a team.
you gotta take into account 8-5a's student population if you want to talk about the best district in the state. four schools in 8-5a have populations over 4500 students-Allen,Plano,Plano East,Plano West. if you have such a large population you have more kids to draw from your team and a larger pool of talented kids. also that school would have a lot more resources because you would have more kids hence more parents who would provide a larger pool of money and time to the team. on the other hand the largest school in 26-5a is 3100 students but most of the district has students in the low/mid 2k's. these schools are able to compete at the state level as much as 8-5a with almost 1/3 to a 1/2 less resources

Wypirates03

03-24-2009, 05:43 PM

you gotta take into account 8-5a's student population if you want to talk about the best district in the state. four schools in 8-5a have populations over 4500 students-Allen,Plano,Plano East,Plano West. if you have such a large population you have more kids to draw from your team and a larger pool of talented kids. also that school would have a lot more resources because you would have more kids hence more parents who would provide a larger pool of money and time to the team. on the other hand the largest school in 26-5a is 3100 students but most of the district has students in the low/mid 2k's. these schools are able to compete at the state level as much as 8-5a with almost 1/3 to a 1/2 less resources

Ok, so would you complain more if All of the Plano schools and Allen were in separate districts? Because that would almost guarantee them all into the playoffs. Then you'd QQ because you had to potentially play one of 4 of them versus just a possibility of 2.

Plano East proved last year that numbers don't matter.

STPFootball2011

03-24-2009, 05:46 PM

Ok, so would you complain more if All of the Plano schools and Allen were in separate districts? Because that would almost guarantee them all into the playoffs. Then you'd QQ because you had to potentially play one of 4 of them versus just a possibility of 2.

Plano East proved last year that numbers don't matter.
im saying hey'd have more talent. if you have no coaches to coach the talent then your screwed no matter how many kids are at your school

RangerFan

03-24-2009, 06:30 PM

I am no 5A expert, but 8-5A was awesome last season. Jesuit has played in three UIL 5A districts, and this one was better and deeper than the previous two. IN 2004 & 2005 Jesuit only faced two good programs in Berkner & Lake Highlands. Creekview and Pearce were decent but not great. In 2006 & 2007, the only great team was Trinity. They were awesome, but Macarthur, Bell & SGP were just good. This past season, four teams were very, very strong. And, Plano East and Boyd had talent. Boyd, like Jesuit, is a small school trying to survive in a big school district.

As for Jesuit in 2009, they will be good, but they still play a murderous schedule: Allen, Wylie, Plano, Hebron, Coppell, Plano West, South garland, & Plano East. I think going 5 and 5 and ending up in 4th in district are realistic goals for a team that loses its OL but returns its defense and soem good WR's. With only 1,000 boys in grades 9-12, including many who are there only for academics, it won't be easy for the Rangers to imporve on 3 and 7 and 5th place, which is what happened in 2008. But, I know they will give it their all.

tjw

03-24-2009, 06:38 PM

Yet no district in the state other than 26-5A can say they have completed the same sweep. So........ the statement that 8-5A is "Hand-down the best" rings a bit hollow. Just an opinion. :D

Not to mention, 26-5A has also swept their region more than once. Just FYI.

So you had a couple good teams from your district, just what does that prove about best district? Best district has to do with most good teams week in and week out, tops in ranks and that go deep or win the playoffs. Wylie just ran out of steam at the championship game last year or it would be a pirate up there instead of the tiger with the eagle.;)

SLC

03-24-2009, 07:31 PM

you gotta take into account 8-5a's student population if you want to talk about the best district in the state. four schools in 8-5a have populations over 4500 students-Allen,Plano,Plano East,Plano West. if you have such a large population you have more kids to draw from your team and a larger pool of talented kids. also that school would have a lot more resources because you would have more kids hence more parents who would provide a larger pool of money and time to the team. on the other hand the largest school in 26-5a is 3100 students but most of the district has students in the low/mid 2k's. these schools are able to compete at the state level as much as 8-5a with almost 1/3 to a 1/2 less resources

Big school...small school...Wah wah wah...Tell me the last time a school of 4500 or more won a title?...How bout 4000 or more?...Go look at the size of the schools dominating the titles in this state in 5A in the last 15-20 years and get back to me. The Allens and Planos have no more team participation than schools with 2500 kids. And I believe, if you do the fact checking on this for me, that Allen just won their first title in...well...the history of the world. And I believe the 85 had a quite smaller school help them to such a good ranking last season and they will again this season.

bobcat83

03-24-2009, 07:44 PM

From a 265A fan with Plano connections I would agree that 85A is probably the best fron top to bottom right now.When Judson was in 265A along with SV and the others it was the deepest.It's still pretty good.

But measure the top 6-7 teams not just the top 2 or 3.Otherwise you bring alot of districts into play

MHSfootball

03-24-2009, 09:02 PM

1.8-5A
2.26-5a
3.16-5A
4.6-5A

alleneagle4

03-24-2009, 11:59 PM

helps that 8-5a is in the land of 5000 student schools.

4300

wizenbud

03-25-2009, 05:07 AM

So you had a couple good teams from your district, just what does that prove about best district? Best district has to do with most good teams week in and week out, tops in ranks and that go deep or win the playoffs. Wylie just ran out of steam at the championship game last year or it would be a pirate up there instead of the tiger with the eagle.;)

When I speak of sweeps, I mean Region 4 championship games in D1 and D2 have only 26-5A teams in them. Not just winning the titles in the same year. 26-5A has filled all four spots in one year, more than once. Just last year D2 R4 was Reagan vs SV, the year before that was a D1 and D2 sweep of the top 4 spots in Region 4. Yes, 26-5A has a bit of a dry spell when it comes to state titles here lately. But, we are still the cream of the Region and always a dark horse for the ring.;)

ALLENFANDINGO5

03-25-2009, 09:17 AM

Last year, but we'll need a few weeks of the next season to make a determination.

There's several big games next year in the early weeks that will give us a look.

Allen plays Longivew and Trinity
Wylie plays Hebron
Plano East plays Abilene and Skyline
Plano plays DeSoto and Hebron
Plano West plays SLC and Flower Mound Marcus

(That's going off of memory, so I may have a few messed up)

From that I'm not going to say 8-5A has the toughest predistrict schedule, but it does bring up the question, of which I will create another thread for.

Let's start with Allen:
They're bringing back both QBs - Matt Brown and Tucker Carter - Who I both see going D1. While they lose; Uzoma Nwachukwu, WR, Dakarai Pecikonis, WR, Bradlee Waddell, WR (a combined 1900+ yards on the season, and Jeremiah Williams, RB, (1197 yards in 16 games) on the offensive side, they usually are capable of bringing up talent and building up on the offensive side relatively quickly. Jeremy Reeves, DB, Steven Terrell, DB, are huge loses on the defensive side of the ball, and I know they'll be losing some great linemen on both sides... but as long as their defense plays well... I think they'll be the front runners again.

Plano:
Obviously the loss of the triplets (Rex Burkhead, RB, Kris Lott, WR, and Carson Meger, QB) will hurt.

Holt Hoetger should be able to step up as the #1 receiver next year. That kid has some skills and being 6' 3" definitely helps. The problem will be in how long it takes them to get everyone involved with the offense and clicking. This year it took a few games, but after that, they had a great offense.

Last years problems were obviously the defense. I'm not sure who they're losing specifically, but with any hope it's not much. I'm sure PWF or another Plano follower can get more in depth with their defensive struggles of this year and fill us in on the big losses and those who will be coming in to fill those roles.

Pending a big change in their defensive system, I think they will make another push. I guess it really depends on how well their chemistry is at the start of district play.

Wylie:
Wylie loses a lot of tallent with Jarod Monk, QB, Justin Thompson, WR, and Logan Lambert, WR, at the offensive skill positions. They return Colby Harper, WR, Noah Cheshier ,QB, converted from TE - D1 recruit, and Nick Knott, RB, - D1 recruit. I'm still not sold on Colby being a true #1 (and his dad will kill me next time he sees me, I'm sure)... based on his height. But based on route running, hands, etc... it's a great receiver. The next question at receiver will be speed. Who will they have that can replace the speed of Logan and Justin? On the offensive line, they lose Caleb Moore, Heath Smith, and Michael Boyefio. However, they still have Paul Finnie, and Alvaro Umana (who had a lot of playing time last year.) I personally think the offensive line will be fine, but it's worth watching in the early games.

Defensivly Wylie also loses a lot. Daniel Jordan, DB, Alan Menchaca, DB, Corey Smith, DB, Izzy Eziakor, LB, Marco Sauceda, LB, (Not a ton of playing time, but he was great when he was in the game). On the defensive line they lose Devan Drake, Nikita Whitlock,John Pittman, and Devon Drake.

They are however returning a lot of talent. Starting with the linebacker corps; Toby Ball, James Carter, and Tyler Mathers. In the secondary, the only returning starter will be Zach Lowe. That could hurt, but in the defensive system Wylie has, I can see them bringing up a lot of talent. On the defensive line the Pirates return Colton Whitehead, who was slated as a starter at the beginning of the season but I believe was injured for the season.

This will require Wylie to play a true 3-4 defense instead of just covering their gaps. I think they will be forced to actually play man a lot more and take out some of the blitzing packages. Losing the amount that they do on the DL will definitly hurt, but again... if they can get around that, I think they can make another run and I wouldn't doubt another matchup with Hebron in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Hrm, that took a lot of time, so I'll do what I can with the other teams later tonight or tomorrow.
Colby will do fine, and has the potential to top last years numbers if you guys can find someone on the other side. He has a great knack of settling down in the holes of zone coverage. My biggest question mark will be the oline, but they should benefit from the extra practices last year and will come together by district play. I hope you win them all but one;)

Plano Wildcat Fan

03-25-2009, 09:32 AM

Colby will do fine, and has the potential to top last years numbers if you guys can find someone on the other side. He has a great knack of settling down in the holes of zone coverage. My biggest question mark will be the oline, but they should benefit from the extra practices last year and will come together by district play. I hope you win them all but one;)

Wylie can't just get the 5 biggest guys in the school and put them on the oline. Last years game against Katy shows that they had difficulty handling a quick DLINE. They couldn't block anybody. I would rather have a 6.2 230 or 240 pound athletic line-man than have 6-0 300 pounders that Wylie rolled out last year.

Honestly Wylie's line-man looked gross overweight for their frame where Allen's big boys who weighed the same carried their weight a whole heck of a lot better and were quicker off the ball. That makes a big difference.

SP Tiger Backer

03-25-2009, 09:46 AM

SP Tiger Backer

03-25-2009, 09:53 AM

Big school...small school...Wah wah wah...Tell me the last time a school of 4500 or more won a title?...How bout 4000 or more?...Go look at the size of the schools dominating the titles in this state in 5A in the last 15-20 years and get back to me. The Allens and Planos have no more team participation than schools with 2500 kids. And I believe, if you do the fact checking on this for me, that Allen just won their first title in...well...the history of the world. And I believe the 85 had a quite smaller school help them to such a good ranking last season and they will again this season.

But you have to agree that the potential talent pool difference is about equal to the difference in the size of the student body. Thats why we have 1A through 5A and D1 D2 when it comes to playoffs. No?

How often could a 2A team beat a 5A team? Of course you could have the worst in 5A matched against the best in 2A and it would happen but that would not be the norm.

SLC

03-25-2009, 10:28 AM

But you have to agree that the potential talent pool difference is about equal to the difference in the size of the student body. Thats why we have 1A through 5A and D1 D2 when it comes to playoffs. No?

How often could a 2A team beat a 5A team? Of course you could have the worst in 5A matched against the best in 2A and it would happen but that would not be the norm.

You are talking a huge leap from 1A to 5A in participation. Yet when you get to 4A and 5A, the participation rates are nearly the same, regardless of enrollment. Now with success brings slightly bigger participation numbers, but we aren't talking a huge spike at all.

Yet all in all, just look at the success of schools in the 2200-3500 range and compare that to schools in the 3500-5500 range and the results speak for itself. More does not mean better.

85Roughneck

03-25-2009, 10:31 AM

So you had a couple good teams from your district, just what does that prove about best district? Best district has to do with most good teams week in and week out, tops in ranks and that go deep or win the playoffs. Wylie just ran out of steam at the championship game last year or it would be a pirate up there instead of the tiger with the eagle.;)

yep, they ran out of steam alright or one that actually saw the game played would know that the Tigers knocked the steam right out of the pirate ship and and the pirates went down valiantly with the ship in a cloud of smoke ... not steam. ;):D

SP Tiger Backer

03-25-2009, 10:37 AM

You are talking a huge leap from 1A to 5A in participation. Yet when you get to 4A and 5A, the participation rates are nearly the same, regardless of enrollment. Now with success brings slightly bigger participation numbers, but we aren't talking a huge spike at all.

Yet all in all, just look at the success of schools in the 2200-3500 range and compare that to schools in the 3500-5500 range and the results speak for itself. More does not mean better.

I have no data to back up the participation that you refer to. I'm just using good old horse sense and logic. If the data says its so then I surrender :D

trainin' the game

03-25-2009, 10:47 AM

:eek::ninja::Censor: NOT AGAIN!!!!

Might have another instant classic in the bi-district round again (ch 52 pw 49 3ot:eek:)

gotta love it. good luck to you boys we'll see ya around the second weekend in november;)

scotwisz

03-25-2009, 11:33 AM

sportsjunkie40

03-25-2009, 04:19 PM

The Wylie WR group will be fine, They have lots of speed and athletic ability.....Plus Colby Harper is 6'1.5" and 185 pounds, hardly a shrimp......The real question is about the oline, I totally agree with the earlier point of the line being too big and out of shape. Im looking forward to May 2, start of practice.......

WylieCowboy

03-25-2009, 04:29 PM

that's my concern too Sports, having been at the title game last year I could see that the oline were just too big, slow and worn out to keep up, But what a ride it was last year and hope for good things this year.

sportsjunkie40

03-25-2009, 04:34 PM

The oline right now would be
LT- SR 6'3, 240
LG- Jr 6'2, 265
C- SR 6'2, 290
RG- SR 6'1, 310 ( he has lost weight)
RT- Jr (between two players in the 250-270 range)
A whole lot smaller and better to take advantage of the zone blocking and multiple pulling schemes that Wylie runs

WylieCowboy

03-25-2009, 04:39 PM

yep, that's good to hear with this being our fairwell tour in 5A

Maroondog

03-25-2009, 04:42 PM

sportsjunkie40

03-25-2009, 04:44 PM

This is not good news. :D

I like it....

WylieCowboy

03-25-2009, 04:45 PM

Yes it is :)

DrEdward

03-25-2009, 05:10 PM

Maroondog

03-25-2009, 05:14 PM

Certainly was the case last season and no argument that it is a very solid district. But adding that time dimension is a pretty important characteristic of "best." :cool:

Ditto. And, it is always in a state of change with school programs on the rise, those standing somewhat pat, and those in decline.

ALLENFANDINGO5

03-25-2009, 10:10 PM

Wylie can't just get the 5 biggest guys in the school and put them on the oline. Last years game against Katy shows that they had difficulty handling a quick DLINE. They couldn't block anybody. I would rather have a 6.2 230 or 240 pound athletic line-man than have 6-0 300 pounders that Wylie rolled out last year.

Honestly Wylie's line-man looked gross overweight for their frame where Allen's big boys who weighed the same carried their weight a whole heck of a lot better and were quicker off the ball. That makes a big difference.
I have it on great authority that Wylie didnt just roll out the 300 pounders you speak of, but did put the 5 best they had on the field. It was coincidental that they were that size. They were less mobile than I like to see, but you can only work with what you have.

PirateFan

04-03-2009, 01:52 PM

ahh i was just getting used to the fact that we were 5a and now its gonna be a while after this year that we return to 5a. not to undercut 4a but i always called 5a "the big boys"... now we will have to fend off the scotts in coming years is my guess