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GTown02

12-16-2005, 06:05 PM

On the way home from work today I heard sports radio 1310 TheTicket report that 2 UT football players were under investigation for robberies in September and December.

Is there any truth to this?

Rumor is that it was RT and C. Griffen

jtk1519

12-16-2005, 06:35 PM

Hmm.

GTown02

12-16-2005, 06:45 PM

Why did you change your post? I read the first one...

I just wanted to see if anyone had heard about this story. I heard it on ESPN radio as well.

Sacred Ground

12-16-2005, 06:58 PM

Yes, it was on the NBC 5 news. Derrick Castio was talking about it during the sports edition. He didn't say how many players were involved or what their names were, but it is under investigation. Wait til ESPN gets a hold of this news story, they will make it bigger than the game itself. You know they are going to say, "Will this effect their performance in the championship game."

mtbray

12-16-2005, 09:23 PM

Damn it what the hell. One of my buddies also says they're under investigation for robbery and assault, apparently a gun was involved.

FUDGE! They are complete idiots if this stuff actually happened. I don't think RT would do that though....some of my buddies said he's a pretty class act.

Sacred Ground

12-16-2005, 09:30 PM

Police investigating members of UT athletics

09:00 PM CST on Friday, December 16, 2005
By CHIP BROWN / The Dallas Morning News

AUSTIN -- The Austin Police Department released a statement Friday saying it is looking into two alleged assaults – one in September and another last weekend – and that the individuals being investigated are members of the University of Texas athletics program.

According to the statement, police are investigating allegations of aggravated assault with an automatic handgun on Sunday, Sept. 4, at 3:06 a.m. A location for the incident was not revealed in police records.

Police are also investigating allegations of attempted robbery by assault at 2:59 a.m. last Saturday morning at 500 E. 7th St., which is commonly referred to as Austin’s Sixth Street entertainment district. According to the statement, police received a call reporting that a suspect used his hands, fist and feet to carry out the assault.

“Information obtained indicates that the individuals being investigated in these incidents are involved in the UT athletics program,” the statement said. “Due to the fact that these cases are still being investigated, APD cannot provide additional information.”

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds released a statement Friday night.

“We were surprised by the APD release of allegations concerning one or more of our student athletes,” Dodds said. “We have followed up on the rumors that we are hearing and have spoken with two student-athletes who are alleged to be under investigation.

“Within the limited time that we had this evening, we have gathered as much information as possible. Based upon what we know at this time, we have no reason to believe that either the university or the athletic department needs to take any action.

“We will continue to monitor the matter and we will cooperate fully with those who are conducting the investigation.”

bullrock

12-16-2005, 10:33 PM

There certainly has to be some truth in it or the news wouldn't be picking up on it so hard. Dodds is acting like the Austin PD are the criminals here. Maybe some of the incoming recruits will keep this in the back of thier minds. KSAT News also reported Jerrell Wilkerson is looking for another place to play. After redshirting his freshman year he will lose another one if he stays DI. Don't be surprised if he doesn't show up at smaller school. Lookout Texas State! He may be headed your way???

Diablos

12-16-2005, 10:40 PM

wide-e-wide

12-16-2005, 10:41 PM

Made it to the National Championship game without him....holler 'atcha...

Sacred Ground

12-16-2005, 11:03 PM

I'm not surprised Wilkerson is looking elsewhere. If he stays he'll be the back up to Charles for the next 3 years. Then some young freshman could come in during Wilkerson's senior year and knock him back to 2nd string again, just like Charles did this year to some senior want to be. Some of these high school kids don't get it. They all want to go to the big school. A D1 school will sign 3 top qb's. Well I got news for 'em, 2 of them are gonna sit and fall into obscurity. Nothin's wrong with small school if it means being a starter. And if they end up being great at a small school, I guarantee you the NFL will find them.

jtk1519

12-16-2005, 11:33 PM

Based on the following comments by Texas AD DeLoss Dodds...

“We were surprised by the APD release of allegations concerning one or more of our student athletes,” Dodds said. “We have followed up on the rumors that we are hearing and have spoken with two student-athletes who are alleged to be under investigation.

“Within the limited time that we had this evening, we have gathered as much information as possible. Based upon what we know at this time, we have no reason to believe that either the university or the athletic department needs to take any action.

“We will continue to monitor the matter and we will cooperate fully with those who are conducting the investigation.”

...and what Cedric Griffin's attorney said, I'm not too worried about all of this. It sounds like some players got in a verbal confrontation that led to a few shoves. I guess we'll find out for sure in the future.

Another interesting story is that RB Michael Houston (who has seen very limited mop up duty as a true freshman) got into an incident a couple of months ago that might have involved a gun. Mack got wind of this and told the kid to get lost. Houston transfered today.

mtbray

12-17-2005, 05:59 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2263106

AUSTIN -- Three Texas players, freshman running backs Michael Houston and Jerrell Wilkerson and sophomore defensive back Bobby Tatum, have left the team and will transfer, the school announced Friday.

All three were reserve players. Tatum played in eight games and recorded four tackles this season. Houston played in two games, rushing for 27 yards and three carries. Wilkerson redshirted this season.

The announcement did not say where the players would transfer.

I guess this is a good thing as it means we'll just have more scholarships for other players. I hate to see Wilkerson leave though, I wanted to see what he was capable of after his RS year!

v2the4

12-17-2005, 06:56 AM

Supposidly, the two players in question in regards to the "assualt" charge are RB Romonce Taylor and DB Cedric Griffin.

Griffin says that the so-called "assualt" charge was nothing more than a trash talking episode between a group of people on sixth street last weekend. Im sure there had to be some body blows exchanged, and obviously someone got their *** kicked and went and filed charges on those two players.

The alleged gun incident is rumored to have involved freshman RB Micheal Houston of Denver, CO back in September, and Houston has abrubtly left the team to transfer to another school....

ktchamp97

12-17-2005, 07:37 AM

Just to be clear, Wilkerson's transfer has nothing at all to do with the criminal activity. Apparently, he has a personal issue to attend to back in SA that is causing him to transfer.

Griffin and Taylor's names have been published in several different media outlets as being 2 of the 3 involved in the alleged criminal acts. The third, as mentioned above, is likely Michael Houston, who has been kicked off the team already.

Ever heard the phrase, "Nothing good happens after midnight?" Well, certainly nothing good happens after 3AM when you're drunk. Obviously, they aren't the first college kids to be drunk on 6th street, but if you're a starter on the UT football team, and in Ced Griffin's case, about to be an instant millionaire, how can you even get yourself in that situation?

No charges have been filed, so we may be getting ahead of ourselves a bit. But, if they are guilty, they deserve whatever punishment they receive.

Diablos

12-17-2005, 08:53 AM

Just to be clear, Wilkerson's transfer has nothing at all to do with the criminal activity. Apparently, he has a personal issue to attend to back in SA that is causing him to transfer.

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Surly you don't believe that personal matters less than an hour away would cause a transfer? Where's he going to transfer away to UTSA? Texas State 30 min away?

ktchamp97

12-17-2005, 09:00 AM

Surly you don't believe that personal matters less than an hour away would cause a transfer? Where's he going to transfer away to UTSA? Texas State 30 min away?

I haven't read anything confirmed as fact, but, according to what I've read so far, there is one personal matter that would cause him to transfer less than an hour away, yes. His move has nothing to do with the APD investigation.

LoneRocket

12-17-2005, 09:34 AM

LoneRocket

12-17-2005, 09:35 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2263106

I guess this is a good thing as it means we'll just have more scholarships for other players. I hate to see Wilkerson leave though, I wanted to see what he was capable of after his RS year!
I think he does not want to be another Selvin Young or Victor Ike. Groomed to be the man and a Freshman comes along and then they are no where to be found. SWT has RB positions up for grabs.

Diablos

12-17-2005, 11:00 AM

I haven't read anything confirmed as fact, but, according to what I've read so far, there is one personal matter that would cause him to transfer less than an hour away, yes. His move has nothing to do with the APD investigation.

Naaa...I never thought it did. Neither do I believe a personal matter would cause an hour transfer for a 30 min transfer. But okay.....

Diablos

12-17-2005, 11:01 AM

I think he does not want to be another Selvin Young or Victor Ike. Groomed to be the man and a Freshman comes along and then they are no where to be found. SWT has RB positions up for grabs.

I don't think he was ever groomed to be the man. He should have known. He's not the kind of running back Texas uses.

LoneRocket

12-17-2005, 11:32 AM

Naaa...I never thought it did. Neither do I believe a personal matter would cause an hour transfer for a 30 min transfer. But okay.....
Remember he had a personal matter that kept him out of the all-star game.

wide-e-wide

12-17-2005, 11:49 AM

Again....made it to the national championship game without him...so who cares?
If he was really all-world like he was supposed to be....then why is Jamaal Charles playing...and he isn't?

Diablos

12-17-2005, 12:03 PM

Again....made it to the national championship game without him...so who cares?
If he was really all-world like he was supposed to be....then why is Jamaal Charles playing...and he isn't?

Maybe because he's a bright young man with a future? Or is it just about UT and to hell with everyone else?

biki1121

12-17-2005, 12:23 PM

Apparently you do not know the APD, some people who spend time in Austin know their tactics.

Not real sure what you mean here. I know APD quite well because I worked in conjuction with them for 4 years. I nearly always found each officer professional, well-trained, and eager to do their jobs. Always a bad apple somewhere in the bunch but I would venture to say 95% of the men and women of APD were excellent officers.

wide-e-wide

12-17-2005, 12:31 PM

Or is it just about UT and to hell with everyone else?

Pretty much...it's called being a true fan...you 'oughta look into it.
BTW...how are your Hokies doing Hdshrinker?

If you are going to sneak back on the site...you might want to be more careful about who you disclose that information to...that's right...one of your buddies ratted you out.

You of all people should remember this statement..."I've got a little pull around here in case you haven't noticed..."
The last time I told you that...you challenged me to quit running my mouth and do something...

And then shortly after that you suddenly vanished...wonder what happened?

LoneRocket

12-17-2005, 03:58 PM

Not real sure what you mean here. I know APD quite well because I worked in conjuction with them for 4 years. I nearly always found each officer professional, well-trained, and eager to do their jobs. Always a bad apple somewhere in the bunch but I would venture to say 95% of the men and women of APD were excellent officers.
I friend of mine often sends me articles from Austin, here are some from the 5% you mentioned.

http://www.kvue.com/perl/common/video/makeadplaylist.pl?title=http://www.kvue.com/1201policestop.wmv&adurl=&adclickthru=&adgraphic=

http://www.elfis.net/phorum/read.php?f=45&i=61&t=61

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2005-03-11/pols_feature5.html

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2004-04-02/pols_feature5.html

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2004-12-17/pols_feature12.html

Diablos

12-18-2005, 07:32 AM

Pretty much...it's called being a true fan...you 'oughta look into it.
BTW...how are your Hokies doing Hdshrinker?

If you are going to sneak back on the site...you might want to be more careful about who you disclose that information to...that's right...one of your buddies ratted you out.

You of all people should remember this statement..."I've got a little pull around here in case you haven't noticed..."
The last time I told you that...you challenged me to quit running my mouth and do something...

And then shortly after that you suddenly vanished...wonder what happened?

Just to be sure of ourselves Mr. Wide. I sneak no where. I have no buddies. I vanished no where. And I am a Horned Frog fan. I stumbled on the site and decided to talk football.

You obviously have me confused with someone you think should care about you. I don't. Have a good day.

biki1121

12-18-2005, 01:02 PM

I friend of mine often sends me articles from Austin, here are some from the 5% you mentioned.

It was really nice of your friend to find those examples of when things didn't go right, bad decisions, distasteful comments, and like examples.

From having to work Riverside on the east side of I-35, I can say that you always expect the worst and hope for the best. However, the best rarely happens. APD has lost a few officers to line-of-duty deaths, remember Ed Bluestein-- sorry, no APD officers want to die to get a road named after them. So they have taken an aggressive stance in regards to how people are treated once the decision to detain has been made. Meaning, if you do not comply, they will make you comply. Cities like Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth, and San Antonio have similar instances but they are rarely as magnified as in Austin.

But again, those cities don't have nearly the political and social climate as Austin. The biggest problem that I have seen in Austin is that people expect the law to be upheld as long as it is not them. It's like the artist. Let's tell the full story-- late at night, parked in a dark alley way, attempts to drive off when an officer pulls in the alley and the broken headlight gives the "reason for stop". The subject is not willing to answer questions. Not belligerent but still defiant and the first words out of his mouth are "Why are you harassing me?" An officer new to that district does not know the man and finds trace amounts of illegal substances (They forgot to report that didn't they) in the vehicle as well as crumpled plastic wrap that the man explained as different things at different times. The officer then finds a bag of dark clothes in the car (this is called a 'flag' as criminals don't burglarize buildings wearing safety orange-- still nothing more than a 'flag') and soon after the detainee reports a "antique gun" in the trunk. Again let's see what not was reported. The family heirloom "antique gun" was a saw-off 20 guage shotgun that was actually 1/4" under the legal length and second would you carry a "family heirloom" wrapped in a dirty towel in the trunk of an old car? The same document they highlighted and darkened the rest tells the actual story. It actually justified the stop and detain and found the officer did not do wrong in that part however he was chastized for the arrest since there was no evidence that a felony crime had been committed. Oh by the way, the second officer on scene and the first were not arguing. The second officer was try to help the first officer not get into "trouble". He knew the charges would not stand due to the detainee's "admissions" of antique gun in the trunk and lack of substantial drug amounts in the ashtray. But none of that got reported did it.

Well, how do I know about all this you say... Well remember I worked closely with those guys and one quick phone call to a patrol SGT with whom I still golf with when in town got me that info. This "situation" will be used for future APD academies as a teaching tool. Oh, my part in all of this is that I still sometimes teach tactical medicine to these guys and other departments.

However, you are still right. Those 5%ers will always come to the forefront with the media. We rarely hear when an officers stops a child **** before it can actually happen, stops a drunk driver before his kills a family of 4, or catches a burgular that stops a theft ring. Instead we will always hear of the officer who didn't think and made an stupid comment on his MDT (Mobil Dispatch Terminal) or handcuffed a belligerent man and woman having a domestic disturbance (the call that gets more officers killed in this country than any other) or somebody screaming racial profiling. The actual 5% that are not good officers (example the idiot rookie beating the guy with a medical condition on Buffalo Speedway) are fired and hopefully their replacement will be better screened during the hiring process.

Just some info from the civil servant side of the fence. Do with it what you will............

Diablos

12-18-2005, 01:34 PM

Just some info from the civil servant side of the fence. Do with it what you will............

Well said and thank you for what you do.

LoneRocket

12-18-2005, 01:51 PM

You are right about we do not always hear the good things and I heard the Police Chief is trying to it clean up, but he is having challenges. What happened at that club was not one officer there were many officers and dispatchers and others condoning it. Not to mention it was on fire and people were in the club when those comments were made. If that man had trace amounts of drugs and an illegal shotgun on his person or vehicle they would had arrested him for it and not to mention he was in front of his place of business. I listened to the police tape and he was very willing to comply (50 minute tape) they did not mention “shot gun”. They said he had a warrant but there was no record of it as the article stated. I keep dark jogging clothes along with work gloves in my car does that make me a suspect? The Austin newspaper had done a profiling and use of force report, in a nutshell the group people they pull over on a consistent basis are least likely to have contraband unlike the few they do not pull over. My friend mentioned a man who was acquitted of attempted capital murder, the cop said the man shot at him, but there was no evidence physical evidence and the officer was picked apart on the witness stand. One APD officer was just sentenced to 10 years for having child porn in Lockhart. I have other articles I could post; it seems that Austin, TX has a problem. I was surprised from reading that Ronnie E. would go after Delay, but not Cops who break the law.

Ed Bluestein worked for TXDOT you are thinking of Robert T. Martinez, Jr. who died in a traffic accident on his way to a call, from what I heard he and his father were good men.

wide-e-wide

12-18-2005, 03:47 PM

Just to be sure of ourselves Mr. Wide. I sneak no where. I have no buddies. I vanished no where. And I am a Horned Frog fan. I stumbled on the site and decided to talk football.

You obviously have me confused with someone you think should care about you. I don't. Have a good day.

Yeah...okay.

I suppose that's why I have now received 6 PM's from different people who say they agree with me...about you being Hdshrinker...
And 1 very huge PM from a friend of yours...just coming out and telling me that you are Hdshrinker...
Like I said...you should be more careful with info you don't want to get it.
Not everybody on this board hates me...

Diablos

12-18-2005, 05:11 PM

Yeah...okay.

I suppose that's why I have now received 6 PM's from different people who say they agree with me...about you being Hdshrinker...
And 1 very huge PM from a friend of yours...just coming out and telling me that you are Hdshrinker...
Like I said...you should be more careful with info you don't want to get it.
Not everybody on this board hates me...

Then he's a liar and I am telling him to his face. I can count the number of "friends " I have on one hand. None of which post here that I know of.

I came here to talk sports . You seem to be more interested in fighting and badmouthing police officers. No thank you.

wide-e-wide

12-18-2005, 05:14 PM

Then he's a liar and I am telling him to his face. I can count the number of "friends " I have on one hand. None of which post here that I know of.

I came here to talk sports . You seem to be more interested in fighting and badmouthing police officers. No thank you.

Oh that's right...You are a cop ...I almost forgot about that.
Remember the PM when you invited me to call the Bexar County Sheriff's Dept.? ...Yeah I can see why you would have a problem with me badmouthing (word? I don't think so) cops.

Well dig this piggy....You are Hdshrinker and I know it...so stop being a coward and come out and admit it.

SeguinMatadors

12-18-2005, 05:17 PM

Pretty much...it's called being a true fan...you 'oughta look into it.
BTW...how are your Hokies doing Hdshrinker?

If you are going to sneak back on the site...you might want to be more careful about who you disclose that information to...that's right...one of your buddies ratted you out.

You of all people should remember this statement..."I've got a little pull around here in case you haven't noticed..."
The last time I told you that...you challenged me to quit running my mouth and do something...

And then shortly after that you suddenly vanished...wonder what happened?

Get this Wide, from a reliable source, I hear Hdshrinker here is a minister!:eek:

wide-e-wide

12-18-2005, 05:20 PM

Get this Wide, from a reliable source, I hear Hdshrinker here is a minister!:eek:

Minister of what?
I didn't know the ******* coalition had a minister...

biki1121

12-18-2005, 08:18 PM

LR,

I respect your opinion and I will comment on the subject no longer.

Biki--

AZTiger

12-18-2005, 08:30 PM

http://x11.putfile.com/12/35119011349.jpg

wide-e-wide

12-18-2005, 09:06 PM

I would like 2 of those shirts please sir...thank you.

AZTiger

12-18-2005, 09:09 PM

i HATE texas and i want that shirt

jtk1519

12-18-2005, 09:27 PM

That shirt kicks ***.

mtbray

12-20-2005, 12:39 PM

No charges will be filed, BOOYA haters!

that's right

Diablos

12-20-2005, 02:49 PM

that's right

UT law school in it's finest hour.

Redneckn

12-20-2005, 04:22 PM

So then another doofus athlete gets off with a slap on the wrist? Aint America grand.

wide-e-wide

12-20-2005, 04:54 PM

Yep another athlete that wasn't guilty of the crime...got off.
Imagine that...

I really wish some stupid USC fan would say something about UT's athletes getting away with a crime...

Now if you will excuse me...I am headed to the kitchen to get me a nice tall glass of Orenthal James.

dragonfootballfan

12-20-2005, 05:57 PM

FootballJunkie

12-20-2005, 05:59 PM

DirtyHarry01

12-20-2005, 09:24 PM

Wow, I'm completely shocked at this.....Not. Maybe Mack is being advised by Barry Switzer now. Let's see, where is the flood of stats from the UT crowd? 25 percent fewer convictions, 34 percent fewer armed robberies. 10 percent reduction in armed assaults. You get the picture.

LoneRocket

12-20-2005, 10:40 PM

So then another doofus athlete gets off with a slap on the wrist? Aint America grand.
How did they get off for something that they did not do? America is so grand that people with pre-conceived notions can be kick off a jury pool so a person who has the means $$$$ can receive the best defense money can buy.

Redneckn

12-23-2005, 03:09 PM

wide-e-wide

12-23-2005, 09:52 PM

jtk1519

12-23-2005, 10:33 PM

Ahhh... the pride of aggyland.

LoneRocket

12-23-2005, 10:53 PM

He's guilty. I saw his face on TV and he looked like he'd done it. So by that, I know that he did it. :D

And yes, OJ was bad guilty. They (defense and media) turned it into a circus. But the man killed those people and he should hang for it.
Since they were not arrested and there are no mug shots or recent pictures of them by the media since this incident, so unless you saw them on the street recently and asked them the question how can you say “I saw his face on TV and he looked like he'd done it.” What does OJ have to do with this? Do you feel the same about Robert Blake? Do you think Mat Leinart is Guilty?

LoneRocket

12-23-2005, 10:54 PM

Ahhh... the pride of aggyland.
I think some of those players look familiar.

mtbray

12-25-2005, 10:10 PM

Yeah I definitely went to school with ol John Kelly up there. Criminal Trespassing eh.....very interesting.

Redneckn

12-27-2005, 02:29 PM

Since they were not arrested and there are no mug shots or recent pictures of them by the media since this incident, so unless you saw them on the street recently and asked them the question how can you say “I saw his face on TV and he looked like he'd done it.” What does OJ have to do with this? Do you feel the same about Robert Blake? Do you think Mat Leinart is Guilty?

They showed his face on the tube here in Austin. I dont think it was a mug though.

Someone said something about OJ. He did it and got away with murder.
Rober Blake? No way. He didnt do it.

Leinart? What did he do? I'm sure he did it whatever it is though..haha..