5a All-state-team Listing Is Here [Archive]

dragonfootballfan

12-16-2005, 02:54 PM

The most amazing thing that has happened with this list is that Britt Mitchell from Kilgore made 5A allstate honorable mention. Last time I checked Kilgore was 4A. Mitchell must be really amazing. Taylor Potts from Abilene also made honorable mention as a quarterback and a receiver

Sakatha

12-16-2005, 02:57 PM

yeah, as usual, garbage. i hate to be that "my team wasnt represented enough" guy....but, katy wasn't represented enough. Andy Dalton not even HM? Behind a couple EP and Valley QBs? Yeah, okay.....

I was a little surprised that the only Katy name I could find was an HM for Will and Bryan Ferris...........

~DnM

pack0808

12-16-2005, 03:00 PM

The Dude

12-16-2005, 03:05 PM

Besides Will,there was also HM O-lineman Bryan Ferris. Now I'm not at Katy anymore so I could be wrong, but what about Joey Welch and Cody Lopasky? They were the better lineman last year of this class but maybe someone can fill me in. I know Ferris is a dang good one, but why him and leave out Welch and Lopasky? And Fuda and Dalton not even being HM? With those stats this year I figured they would alteast get some sort of recognition. I know the die-hards at Katy this year will be furious to see Fuda not mentioned as he is their golden boy. He's a good ball player I'll admitt and with those stats deserves recognition, but he's not even the best receiver in the past few years at Katy. Drew Zeiler was amazing and he didn't get any post season recognition, however, he didn't start getting passes thrown his way untill district, and didn't play football his junior year. Must be a KATY thing, the ones in charge of picking these teams see Katy, and they assume no QB or WR talent lies in those parts with that smashmouth power running game attack..but maybe they should look closer as this year's tigers aren't running the offense of the past.

toonman

12-16-2005, 03:06 PM

Second Team receivers need to be switched with the First Team receivers.

SeguinMatadors

12-16-2005, 03:08 PM

How a corner with over 80 tackles, 6 picks, 4 picks returned for touchdowns, 1 punt return for a td, and 1 kick return for a TD in 9 games doesn't even get honorable mention is beyond me.:confused:

dragonfootballfan

12-16-2005, 03:11 PM

How a corner with over 80 tackles, 6 picks, 4 picks returned for touchdowns, 1 punt return for a td, and 1 kick return for a TD in 9 games doesn't even get honorable mention is beyond me.:confused:
It is because there are way too many errors. I don't know that many player names and schools, but I found two errors in the honorable mentions in my first time looking at it. When an error occurs it takes a spot from somebody that deserved it. There are two receivers that will not be getting honorable mention this year that should because of those errors.

The Dude

12-16-2005, 03:12 PM

How a corner with over 80 tackles, 6 picks, 4 picks returned for touchdowns, 1 punt return for a td, and 1 kick return for a TD in 9 games doesn't even get honorable mention is beyond me.:confused:

That is ridiculous..but who are you talking about? Those sports writers must've been smoking something. But it's all good because we know the KT's here at 5A will come up with a much more reasonable one

AZTiger

12-16-2005, 03:12 PM

all state teams should be named "best college prospect" teams, because that's all that list was

SeguinMatadors

12-16-2005, 03:22 PM

That is ridiculous..but who are you talking about? Those sports writers must've been smoking something. But it's all good because we know the KT's here at 5A will come up with a much more reasonable one

Seguin Jr. cornerback Desmond Jackson. 6'1 200- 4.4 speed. I know Seguin isn't a dynamite power house in 5a but they have made the playoffs for the past two years. He shouldn't be punished for Seguins lack of recognition. He is the real deal. I don't really know why he isn't listed on rivals top 100 seniors next year. This kid is seriously getting overlooked but colleges seem to know about him. He has gotten numerous letters from University of Texas, Texas Tech, and many other schools. I really don't know how rivals overlooked him or how all state over looked him.:confused:

SeguinMatadors

12-16-2005, 03:24 PM

Seguin Jr. cornerback Desmond Jackson. 6'1 200- 4.4 speed. I know Seguin isn't a dynamite power house in 5a but they have made the playoffs for the past two years. He shouldn't be punished for Seguins lack of recognition. He is the real deal. I don't really know why he isn't listed on rivals top 100 seniors next year. This kid is seriously getting overlooked but colleges seem to know about him. He has gotten numerous letters from University of Texas, Texas Tech, and many other schools. I really don't know how rivals overlooked him or how all state over looked him.:confused:

I think it has a lot to do with him coming from a "not well off" family therefore he can't go to the various camps and get his name out there. Idk?

ktchamp97

12-16-2005, 03:30 PM

Here it is! Congrats to all athletes who are represented on the list.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/gen/ap/FBH_5A_All_State_List.html

I can tell you that putting those kind of lists together is very difficult. I sincerely congratulate everyone that made the "official" list. However, there were some egregious omissions.

We should have our list up pretty soon. I know y'all won't agree with all of it...that is inevitable...but we'll do our best to properly recognize those that are deserving.

For the record, Michael Fuda led the entire state in receving touchdowns in the regular season and has only added to those totals in the playoffs.

Jared Norton being left off the list completely is criminal. All he did was...
"The Rowlett playmaker put up a stat line that will rival any player in the state, and he was named MVP of District 11-5A for his efforts. His final tally - 195 tackles, 13 sacks, 42 tackles for loss, 2 forced fumbles and 1 interception – should make him a shoe-in for all-state honors as well." from Rivals.com

pack0808

12-16-2005, 03:44 PM

I can tell you that putting those kind of lists together is very difficult. I sincerely congratulate everyone that made the "official" list. However, there were some egregious omissions.

We should have our list up pretty soon. I know y'all won't agree with all of it...that is inevitable...but we'll do our best to properly recognize those that are deserving.

For the record, Michael Fuda led the entire state in receving touchdowns in the regular season and has only added to those totals in the playoffs.

Jared Norton being left off the list completely is criminal. All he did was...
"The Rowlett playmaker put up a stat line that will rival any player in the state, and he was named MVP of District 11-5A for his efforts. His final tally - 195 tackles, 13 sacks, 42 tackles for loss, 2 forced fumbles and 1 interception – should make him a shoe-in for all-state honors as well." from Rivals.com

Wow!! That guy's stats are sick. 195 tackles 42 tol's and 13 sacks. :eek: I know the great players on top team's that blow most people out during the year cannot get those type of stats because the 1st string is out by the 3rd quarter in most of their games. But that is sick no matter what. Are those just regular season stats?? If so that is even more insane that he is not in there.

dragonsdaddy

12-16-2005, 03:54 PM

i am most surprised that dmitri nance wasn't the poy on offense. not saying gm didn't deserve it, but nance's numbers and performance were pretty salty too.

BengalFan

12-16-2005, 03:56 PM

Fuda not making allstate is rediculous, Fuda led the state in touchdown reception and wasnt even in a spread offence. Thers guys in there whos stats werent even close too Fudas and he didnt even get honorable mention. Katy's use to not getting alot of allstate recognition because there team is what makes them win, but Fuda deserves 1st team allstate.

pack0808

12-16-2005, 04:01 PM

And my only point was that if that Roberts should have been on there before Hewitt. Do not get me wrong i thought Hewitt had a great year but Mandela was easily Lufkin's MVP on defense this year. I thought R Murphy, E Taylor, AJ Penson, and Hewitt all had great years on the defensive side but MR was the man on this year's D and if anybody deserved recognition from this defensive unit he did. But that is how it goes. I could not imagine trying to pick those teams. Extremely difficult and there is not room for all the players that had great season's. You are never going to make everybody happy. It is a lose lose situation.

Favpack

12-16-2005, 04:01 PM

Wow!! That guy's stats are sick. 195 tackles 42 tol's and 13 sacks. :eek: I know the great players on top team's that blow most people out during the year cannot get those type of stats because the 1st string is out by the 3rd quarter in most of their games. But that is sick no matter what. Are those just regular season stats?? If so that is even more insane that he is not in there.
Pack - Mandela made HM - thank goodness. The Rowlett kid not being on there is a joke. And, sorry, this is a broken record of mine from last year gang - but this obsessive love for El Paso from the AP is just unreal. Nobody from Katy's offense - but like multiple guys from El Paso - just like last year. Sad.

pack0808

12-16-2005, 04:04 PM

pack0808

12-16-2005, 04:05 PM

Pack - Mandela made HM - thank goodness. The Rowlett kid not being on there is a joke. And, sorry, this is a broken record of mine from last year gang - but this obsessive love for El Paso from the AP is just unreal. Nobody from Katy's offense - but like multiple guys from El Paso - just like last year. Sad.

He did?? I am blind. All of this for nothing. :D

grayowl60

12-16-2005, 04:05 PM

I can tell you that putting those kind of lists together is very difficult. I sincerely congratulate everyone that made the "official" list. However, there were some egregious omissions.

We should have our list up pretty soon. I know y'all won't agree with all of it...that is inevitable...but we'll do our best to properly recognize those that are deserving.

For the record, Michael Fuda led the entire state in receving touchdowns in the regular season and has only added to those totals in the playoffs.

Jared Norton being left off the list completely is criminal. All he did was...
"The Rowlett playmaker put up a stat line that will rival any player in the state, and he was named MVP of District 11-5A for his efforts. His final tally - 195 tackles, 13 sacks, 42 tackles for loss, 2 forced fumbles and 1 interception – should make him a shoe-in for all-state honors as well." from Rivals.com
Norton did sit a lot because Several of Rowletts games were blowouts. He is quick and smart. Verbal to Texas:D

PantherFan70

12-16-2005, 04:07 PM

:mad: hmmm.....

grayowl60

12-16-2005, 04:09 PM

No Brandon Antwine, DL from Garland....LOL! Verbal to Florida:eek:

AZTiger

12-16-2005, 04:11 PM

No Brandon Antwine, DL from Garland....LOL! Verbal to Florida:eek:

again, this is not a "who's the best college prospect" team, its the "who had the best year" team

who gives a rats behind if a guy is verballed to florida, whoopty doo

Favpack

12-16-2005, 04:23 PM

i am most surprised that dmitri nance wasn't the poy on offense. not saying gm didn't deserve it, but nance's numbers and performance were pretty salty too.

I agree - and I felt he would get it simply because the qb getting it from SLC 4 years in a row is a bit too predictable. Probably a close vote. If Greg misses out tomorrow he'd trade that award 100 times over for D's state trophy. We'll see.

Jamesdean

12-16-2005, 04:24 PM

I am shocked that Lufkin's most valuable player on defense lb Mandela Roberts 124 tackles 20 plus tfl 6 sacks 2 picks did not make it but Hewitt did?? shocking he did not get at least a honorable mention?

Madela Roberts did make honorable mention.

What astounds me is that Taylor Potts of Abilene must be one incredible player to make honorable mention at both QB and Receiver. That's a neat trick to be able to play 2 offensive positions at once.

pack0808

12-16-2005, 04:27 PM

Madela Roberts did make honorable mention.

What astounds me is that Taylor Potts of Abilene must be one incredible player to make honorable mention at both QB and Receiver. That's a neat trick to be able to play 2 offensive positions at once.

Yeah i know now ty.

Favpack

12-16-2005, 04:35 PM

Commenting a player is committed to "so and so U" is just giving an indication the guy had a good year and was noticed by big time scouts.

The biggest ommission last year was Luna from SLC. This year it is clearly Fuda from Katy - how do you miss that guy? And Dalton not an HM is poor as well.

Is it just me - or do you get the feel the writers also take SIZE over anything else on the O-line? There are several huge linemen on all-state I saw play that really didn't show me too much other than their size. If you're really that good seems you'd have a back behind you getting noticed.

Sakatha

12-16-2005, 04:35 PM

I'm with the previous poster.. Fuda *and* Jacobson could easily be flip flopped w/the 1st teamers...

~DnM

wide-e-wide

12-16-2005, 04:38 PM

Maybe if your last name has a "u" for the second letter and an "a" for the last letter....they won't put you on the team.

Which would also explain why there are no players from Buda on the first or second team.

PantherFan70

12-16-2005, 04:46 PM

drgnbkr

12-16-2005, 05:10 PM

Any All-State receiver list without McKay Jacobson in the first team is bogus...

dragonsdaddy

12-16-2005, 05:16 PM

mckay would star for any team in the state. he has been playing like a possessed man this year. he will make several other first team a-s teams, maybe the best will be the academic a-s team.

grayowl60

12-16-2005, 05:29 PM

again, this is not a "who's the best college prospect" team, its the "who had the best year" team

who gives a rats behind if a guy is verballed to florida, whoopty doo
Obvously you are a hot shot, but generaly a top college prospect has a decent year, ya think...LOL. But then you know much more than me, and seen Antwine play:confused:

dragonsdaddy

12-16-2005, 05:44 PM

Obvously you are a hot shot, but generaly a top college prospect has a decent year, ya think...LOL. But then you know much more than me, and seen Antwine play:confused:
there always are several players who were preseason all-americans who ride that coattail, despite not having great years. not saying antwine is that, or the opposite, but just commenting. college scouts finish their work as many kids are jrs.

HeadMan

12-16-2005, 05:55 PM

Is it just me - or do you get the feel the writers also take SIZE over anything else on the O-line? There are several huge linemen on all-state I saw play that really didn't show me too much other than their size. If you're really that good seems you'd have a back behind you getting noticed.

Yeah, I bet you watched all of them, since fans just love watching and critiquing the O-linemen. :confused:

Statman/NS

12-16-2005, 05:59 PM

Chykie Brown from North Shore is committed to the University of Texas, not Texas Tech. Just a clarification.

PaulinPlano

12-16-2005, 06:12 PM

Seguin Jr. cornerback Desmond Jackson. 6'1 200- 4.4 speed. I know Seguin isn't a dynamite power house in 5a but they have made the playoffs for the past two years. He shouldn't be punished for Seguins lack of recognition. He is the real deal. I don't really know why he isn't listed on rivals top 100 seniors next year. This kid is seriously getting overlooked but colleges seem to know about him. He has gotten numerous letters from University of Texas, Texas Tech, and many other schools. I really don't know how rivals overlooked him or how all state over looked him.:confused:

He was hurt for the playoff game against Judson right? Boy, and he is only a Jr.!? That is sweet for Seguin.

AZTiger

12-16-2005, 06:48 PM

Obvously you are a hot shot, but generaly a top college prospect has a decent year, ya think...LOL. But then you know much more than me, and seen Antwine play:confused:

just tell me he had a great year and maybe some stats, don't tell me he's committed to Florida. If All State teams were based on verbal committments, a lot of undeserving players would never get the recognition they deserve.

SLCDad

12-16-2005, 07:02 PM

mckay would star for any team in the state. he has been playing like a possessed man this year. he will make several other first team a-s teams, maybe the best will be the academic a-s team.Speaking of his academics, he has now completed his high school course work and has qualified for graduation. He'll begin at BYU in a couple of weeks and then attend spring football practice after that. He comes from a fantastic family. None better than the Jacobsons.

dragonsdaddy

12-16-2005, 07:06 PM

Speaking of his academics, he has now completed his high school course work and has qualified for graduation. He'll begin at BYU in a couple of weeks and then attend spring football practice after that. He comes from a fantastic family. None better than the Jacobsons.
couldn't agree more. i'm anxiously awaitng getting him into the once feared/once anemic byu offense.

SeguinMatadors

12-16-2005, 07:12 PM

He was hurt for the playoff game against Judson right? Boy, and he is only a Jr.!? That is sweet for Seguin.

Yes sir. Another guy on Seguins defense who is coming back is middle linebacker Marcus Richardson. He actually did get recognition by the people who put together the all state team, he was honerable mention. He is 6'0 215 with 4.5 speed. They also have a defensive end coming back, Logan Johnson, who had I beleive 14 sacks on the year. At 6'0 210 he is undersized at the next level but could move to linebacker if he puts on some more muscle.

AllenEagle06

12-16-2005, 07:51 PM

:eek: Wow! Our very own Jeremy Griggs is on the list?! I was not expecting that. I was hoping for at least an HM for him but first team defense works for me. :D Hence, my new sig...

YuccaRoot

12-16-2005, 08:12 PM

I realize putting these list together is a difficult task...but I don't see how Matt Szymanski, K, A&M Consolidated was left off the list. He is the best kicker I've seen at any level...high school, college, or pro. He made 4 FGs tries when Consol beat undefeated Berkner in the playoffs and he scored all Consol's points (3 FGs) in the victory over Bryan. This year, he nailed a 61 and 52 yard FG. He kicks all his FGs without a tee. It is worth the price of admission to just watch him kickoff...most go beyond the endlne. There is a reason he held scholarship offers from Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Tennessee, etc. before the start of his junior year. The kid is amazing.

CoveFan05

12-16-2005, 09:02 PM

Here it is! Congrats to all athletes who are represented on the list.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/gen/ap/FBH_5A_All_State_List.html

What about Copperas Cove's Sascha Johnson...Jr DE made 1st team ALL-State....If you dont know this kid he is only 5'4" 150 LBS!!!!! Lot of heart and a great season from him

The Great Evaluator

12-16-2005, 09:44 PM

Incredible that Fuda and Dalton were left off of the list. I am anxiously looking forward to seeing those 2 play tommorow because their numbers are very impressive. I can guarantee you one thing, this site's all state team will be much closer to the real deal than the "official one". Oh yeah, Norton was the best linebacker I saw all year.

PantherStang84

12-16-2005, 10:18 PM

I'm just wonder why people consider the AP list the "official" list. In my opinion, the AP All State list carries about as much weight as the AP top 25 poll. I mean any organization that gives a player from a 4A school 5A honors and one player honors at two offensive positions isn't very credible.

Not much to get worked up over in my book.

Warbird

12-18-2005, 08:28 PM

Yeah i know now ty.
Seeing as how he doesn't play receiver...:confused:

I guess that's just how good of a QB he is, then.:cool:

FeeltheHaka

12-18-2005, 10:01 PM

This list in my opinion is ridulous. I can see McElroy and Nance. Others I am not so sure about. I thought Katy's Dalton should have been somewhere. EP Franklin's Torres? Where was Fuda, Renfro, Fentriss? I forgot his name, but the defensive end from SGP should have been there. What the Consolidated (A&M) and Plano's kickers?

dragonfootballfan

12-18-2005, 10:03 PM

There were a few left out of honorable mention because I know for a fact that two receivers had no business being there. Kilgore's Britt Mitchell is a 4A tight end, and Taylor Potts is a 5A quarterback. Both are listed in the reveiver category