Katy vs. Bellevue, WA - Clash of Champions II

[TxDrake]

My thinking is based on the fact that this Katy defense can and will shutdown Bellevue's running game. If Katy does shutdown Bellevue's running game then they will be in bad shape all day. Hey they could run all over us but I don't see Coach J letting that happen.
I'm with you, if they have a avg to above avg D how many times better would there version of the wing t have to be than the others Katy has faced? Does 2x's better get a win? 3x's? 4x's?

[dada]

I'm with you, if they have a avg to above avg D how many times better would there version of the wing t have to be than the others Katy has faced? Does 2x's better get a win? 3x's? 4x's?

I think it will take Katy time to figure it out.....offense is pretty tricky and they execute it to perfection. But I also believe Katy will make adjustments. Can't turn the ball over and give Bellevue the win in the time of possesion battle. My thinking is....to play against the wing t...don't look for the ball, just hit everyone not wearing red if they have the ball or not.:)

[TxDrake]

I think it will take Katy time to figure it out.....offense is pretty tricky and they execute it to perfection. But I also believe Katy will make adjustments. Can't turn the ball over and give Bellevue the win in the time of possesion battle. My thinking is....to play against the wing t...don't look for the ball, just hit everyone not wearing red if they have the ball or not.:)
I got you to comment on this game AGAIN!

[E-Vol-ution]

Heck of a chess match.......an defense unfamiliar with itself would end up arguing with each other. You guys should do well.....an undisciplined team would have no chance.
I think it will take Katy time to figure it out.....offense is pretty tricky and they execute it to perfection. But I also believe Katy will make adjustments. Can't turn the ball over and give Bellevue the win in the time of possesion battle. My thinking is....to play against the wing t...don't look for the ball, just hit everyone not wearing red if they have the ball or not.:)

[Pool Man]

I think it will take Katy time to figure it out.....offense is pretty tricky and they execute it to perfection. But I also believe Katy will make adjustments. Can't turn the ball over and give Bellevue the win in the time of possesion battle. My thinking is....to play against the wing t...don't look for the ball, just hit everyone not wearing red if they have the ball or not.:)

Everyone on defense has an assignment..................Stick to it!

[Pool Man]

Bellevue wins this one...

because Katy forfeits at halftime when they're up by 31 points because they don't have any competition and they're getting bored and don't want to get over confident for district play. :D

:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh
Winning never gets boring, however, I do love the playoffs and the challenges that the quality teams provide. Bellevue is very much a playoff caliber team and this is going to be fun.

[dada]

Everyone on defense has an assignment..................Stick to it!

Bingo.....
I just watched some clips and they looked pretty good. Hopefully I will get a chance to watch Bellevue's championship game DVD this weekend. But from what I saw...you make a mistake or miss a tackle, you pay for it. Our front 7 will have to play big, but the good advantage is that they will face 3 D1 guys on the Oline the first two games, Flowers and Hopkins from North Shore and Lindsey from TWHS well test them big time.

[Pool Man]

These guys have to have an effective play action to compliment their "shell" game. No way they have only one way of approach.........this guy (their coach) is a sharp one.

I expect them to take their shots downfield and Flee is right, we'll keep a couple back there. It just won't be Holl. They're not going to let Sam sit back there all day for the few times they do throw it.

[ktCarl]

These guys have to have an effective play action to compliment their "shell" game. No way they have only one way of approach.........this guy (their coach) is a sharp one.

I watched their 2008 State Final game on DVD the other night and they passed less than 5 times the whole game. The TV commentators even remarked that Bellevue only threw the ball 3 times in the Semi-Final game the week before.

[E-Vol-ution]

Nobody may have "made" them have to......I watched their 2008 State Final game on DVD the other night and they passed less than 5 times the whole game. The TV commentators even remarked that Bellevue only threw the ball 3 times in the Semi-Final game the week before.

[228boot@9]

Hey guys, great website hopefully this Bellevue Homer wont get too much flak for stepping on here. I have seen you guys talking about Bellevues passing attack, and although they do have one, they havent had to use it much. In the De la Salle game, bellevue rushed for over 500 yards and never passed or punted the entire game. They average around 450 a game if Im not mistaken, and correct me but I think Katy is around that same number, just more balanced across the board. Man I just wish they had games like this when I was playing, talk about going to the center of the football universe.

[Hitman49]

Hey guys, great website hopefully this Bellevue Homer wont get too much flak for stepping on here. I have seen you guys talking about Bellevues passing attack, and although they do have one, they havent had to use it much. In the De la Salle game, bellevue rushed for over 500 yards and never passed or punted the entire game. They average around 450 a game if Im not mistaken, and correct me but I think Katy is around that same number, just more balanced across the board. Man I just wish they had games like this when I was playing, talk about going to the center of the football universe.

The key to this game is Bellevues defense. Katy is going to come down hill with a solid power running game. If can't stop they will win this game easy. Your defense will determine how close this game is.

[ftballin11]

The key to this game is Bellevues defense. Katy is going to come down hill with a solid power running game. If can't stop they will win this game easy. Your defense will determine how close this game is.


Actually this Katy offense will be much more like the 07' team with the capability to pound it down your throat or air the ball out. The most talent at the skilled spots in a long time,(IF ever).

[ktCarl]

Hey guys, great website hopefully this Bellevue Homer wont get too much flak for stepping on here. I have seen you guys talking about Bellevues passing attack, and although they do have one, they havent had to use it much. In the De la Salle game, bellevue rushed for over 500 yards and never passed or punted the entire game. They average around 450 a game if Im not mistaken, and correct me but I think Katy is around that same number, just more balanced across the board. Man I just wish they had games like this when I was playing, talk about going to the center of the football universe.

Welcome to here!

I can't wait to see those Wolverine helmets!

Whatever you do....don't venture into The Yard. :cool:

[Miss Kitty]

Hey guys, great website hopefully this Bellevue Homer wont get too much flak for stepping on here. I have seen you guys talking about Bellevues passing attack, and although they do have one, they havent had to use it much. In the De la Salle game, bellevue rushed for over 500 yards and never passed or punted the entire game. They average around 450 a game if Im not mistaken, and correct me but I think Katy is around that same number, just more balanced across the board. Man I just wish they had games like this when I was playing, talk about going to the center of the football universe.

You are most welcome here. Glad you found it. :)

[TigerBrother]

Don't worry about the pass we've got a Dirty DB back there with plenty of speed to hang with there WR..The speed of this defense will play a big role into bell not being able to break the big plays also..I'm with Dada on this one just let the Lb's just smash which ever rb comes there way if he has the football or not.. I wouldn't try so hard to focus on the ball carrier if your in on the fake then you get smashed..

[jc84chill]

Hey guys, great website hopefully this Bellevue Homer wont get too much flak for stepping on here. I have seen you guys talking about Bellevues passing attack, and although they do have one, they havent had to use it much. In the De la Salle game, bellevue rushed for over 500 yards and never passed or punted the entire game. They average around 450 a game if Im not mistaken, and correct me but I think Katy is around that same number, just more balanced across the board. Man I just wish they had games like this when I was playing, talk about going to the center of the football universe.

Welcome to the board and feel free to bring your friends! Any further insight into the Bellevue program is welcome.

Now you only have to read 100+ pages to catch up, you might get there before the game if you start now :)

[The King]

Welcome to the board and feel free to bring your friends! Any further insight into the Bellevue program is welcome.

Now you only have to read 100+ pages to catch up, you might get there before the game if you start now :)

The Impressive thing is that this thread is still on topic.

[Kat-na-hat]

The Impressive thing is that this thread is still on topic.

What's the topic again? Waiting on Bellevue?

[Patriot1]

Don't worry about the pass we've got a Dirty DB back there with plenty of speed to hang with there WR..The speed of this defense will play a big role into bell not being able to break the big plays also..I'm with Dada on this one just let the Lb's just smash which ever rb comes there way if he has the football or not.. I wouldn't try so hard to focus on the ball carrier if your in on the fake then you get smashed..


Easier said then done my man. That's the same defensive strategy that everyone of Bellevue's opponents try to use. Trying to smash one of Bellevue's RBs (if you can even catch them :eek:) is no different then running into a 3/4 ton pick-up (with or without the gun rack). :D

[ktCarl]

Easier said then done my man. That's the same defensive strategy that everyone of Bellevue's opponents try to use. Trying to smash one of Bellevue's RBs (if you can even catch them :eek:) is no different then running into a 3/4 ton pick-up (with or without the gun rack). :D


HA! Talking in a way we Texans can comprehend.

[ftballin11]

Easier said then done my man. That's the same defensive strategy that everyone of Bellevue's opponents try to use. Trying to smash one of Bellevue's RBs (if you can even catch them :eek:) is no different then running into a 3/4 ton pick-up (with or without the gun rack). :D

Yes, most of the defenses I have seen Bellevue play against were run and chase.Even when the players were in position they failed to make the play. That is the exactly what you cant do against a team that runs the Wing-T as precisely as Bellevue.

Coach Joseph will have them in position to make the play. It will be up to the players to make the plays. With the experience we have at the ILB's and a heat sinking missile at FS, I dont see them missing many plays. IMO.

[odeagrad79]

Checked out some stats on the newest member of the Katy program.
#40 Mr Young had a decent season for a sophmore at Humble HS.
400+ rushing, 7.00 yard average, 5 TD's.

If not mistaken Katy beat the hell out of Humble last season. This
young man looks like a player. Tailback, fullback, linebacker or
returning kicks hopefully he gets some good touches this upcoming
season.

My Young has same body type as Jonathan Stewart with Charlotte
in the NFL.

Many of the Katy Football skill position players run track? What type
of 400M relay time did Katy post this past spring? FYI Bellevue did
have a couple football players on the 400M relay team and they
turned a 44.6. A good state time for Washington is high the 41's to
42's.

[228boot@9]

I think as far as assignment football goes De La Salle was the best team Bellevue has faced, that Im aware of. That number 40 sure looks like a stud, cant wait to see him run the ball.

[dada]

I think as far as assignment football goes De La Salle was the best team Bellevue has faced, that Im aware of. That number 40 sure looks like a stud, cant wait to see him run the ball.

#40 still has to learn a system, the same way a "Stud" at Bellevue would be no good if he couldn't grasp the Wing T. He's just a "bonus"

Odeagrad, I could be wrong, but I think most programs require players to run track, don't quote me on that.

[The King]

Checked out some stats on the newest member of the Katy program.
#40 Mr Young had a decent season for a sophmore at Humble HS.
400+ rushing, 7.00 yard average, 5 TD's.

If not mistaken Katy beat the hell out of Humble last season. This
young man looks like a player. Tailback, fullback, linebacker or
returning kicks hopefully he gets some good touches this upcoming
season.

My Young has same body type as Jonathan Stewart with Charlotte
in the NFL.

Many of the Katy Football skill position players run track? What type
of 400M relay time did Katy post this past spring? FYI Bellevue did
have a couple football players on the 400M relay team and they
turned a 44.6. A good state time for Washington is high the 41's to
42's.

Track Speed is not always equal to football speed.
Football speed does not always equal track speed.

[odeagrad79]

I understand that track speed does not always convert over to the football field.

[dada]

I understand that track speed does not always convert over to the football field.

A 4.7 guy that knows where he's supposed to be is faster than a 4.4 guy who doesn't.

[E-Vol-ution]

Not much funnier than seeing a really fast dude take one shake and fly out of bounds without him touching you........:notworthyA 4.7 guy that knows where he's supposed to be is faster than a 4.4 guy who doesn't.

[228boot@9]

I hear Odea grad claims to know some people on the Bellevue coaching staff, from what Ive read of his posts I think hes just another Wolverine hater that is looking for some you know what to stir up. Probably mad that his irish get spanked by Bellevue, no more monopoly on talent eh o Dea??? Guess if you cant beat em, try and find someone else who will, ROFLMAO!

[odeagrad79]

228boot@9,

I have nothing but respect for the Bellevue program. Do I think the Wolverines will beat Katy? No.

The last time O'Dea and Bellevue played it was 2007 and the Wolverines lost while the Irish defense held Bellevue to 120 yards of offense.

I will agree that Bellevue has the edge over O'Dea the past ten years
in football. When the two teams have played it has always been close.

As far as talent O'Dea has produced more D1 athletes than any other
school in the state for the last thirty years.

Yes I do know a few of the coaches at Bellevue and have known them
for twenty years.

It was a transfer from O'Dea Colton Christian that helped Bellevue to
it best year ever of Basketball.

[228boot@9]

Your still full of it, no coach from Bellevue would ever say he was not impressed with Katy or any other team they would be facing, and for you to say that you know a coach who said that is total BS. Did you play football at O Dea? Do you know anything about the game of Football or are you just a stat guy rattling off numbers you read off a website somewhere?:confused:

[Wypirates03]

I have a lot of respect for the Bellevue coach and program for even wanting to play Katy. I sure as hell don't want to see them next season :)... Katy that is.

[Dynastybegan86]

Yes, most of the defenses I have seen Bellevue play against were run and chase.Even when the players were in position they failed to make the play. That is the exactly what you cant do against a team that runs the Wing-T as precisely as Bellevue.

Coach Joseph will have them in position to make the play. It will be up to the players to make the plays. With the experience we have at the ILB's and a heat sinking missile at FS, I dont see them missing many plays. IMO.

:confused: Wha!

[odeagrad79]

Your still full of it, no coach from Bellevue would ever say he was not impressed with Katy or any other team they would be facing, and for you to say that you know a coach who said that is total BS. Did you play football at O Dea? Do you know anything about the game of Football or are you just a stat guy rattling off numbers you read off a website somewhere?:confused:

Yes, I did play a little football at O'Dea. Three year two way starter, All
league Jr, Sr years, played in All State Game for Coach Ennis and Tarabox,
Football Scholarship to Portland State, three year starter at LB for PSU.
Worked as a grad asst at ASU for two years. have worked as a weight training coach for 20 plus years and currently train UFC fighters in the Seattle area with Maurice Smith.

Should I continue with my resume?

Please tell me a little about your vast athletic past. Should I just
assume that you are just another snot nosed Bellevue punk.:)

[Wypirates03]

Yes, I did play a little football at O'Dea. Three year two way starter, All
league Jr, Sr years, played in All State Game for Coach Ennis and Tarabox,
Football Scholarship to Portland State, three year starter at LB for PSU.
Worked as a grad asst at ASU for two years. have worked as a weight training coach for 20 plus years and currently train UFC fighters in the Seattle area with Maurice Smith.

Should I continue with my resume?

Please tell me a little about your vast athletic past. Should I just
assume that you are just another snot nosed Bellevue punk.:)

Low blow! :Censor:

[odeagrad79]

Not a low blow, just stating a few facts. This Bellevue fan wanted to start
throwing the trash and I just put it back in his yard.

[E-Vol-ution]

Dang dude......I knew something was cool about you. Any Viking is good by me.Yes, I did play a little football at O'Dea. Three year two way starter, All
league Jr, Sr years, played in All State Game for Coach Ennis and Tarabox,
Football Scholarship to Portland State, three year starter at LB for PSU.
Worked as a grad asst at ASU for two years. have worked as a weight training coach for 20 plus years and currently train UFC fighters in the Seattle area with Maurice Smith.

Should I continue with my resume?

Please tell me a little about your vast athletic past. Should I just
assume that you are just another snot nosed Bellevue punk.:)

[Fleeman93]

Yes, I did play a little football at O'Dea. Three year two way starter, All
league Jr, Sr years, played in All State Game for Coach Ennis and Tarabox,
Football Scholarship to Portland State, three year starter at LB for PSU.
Worked as a grad asst at ASU for two years. have worked as a weight training coach for 20 plus years and currently train UFC fighters in the Seattle area with Maurice Smith.

Should I continue with my resume?

Please tell me a little about your vast athletic past. Should I just
assume that you are just another snot nosed Bellevue punk.:)

Mr. 228,

....and please sit down now sir!

Signed,
O

[odeagrad79]

Sorry that I got a little nasty. The youngsters of today have not concept
of RESPECT.

I guess the recent Bellevue inter squad game against Kamiak was a bit on the ulgy side. Alot of things can change between now and September.

I will tell you Texas boys one more time, in order to beat Bellevue you must win the war in the trenches. The success of the Bellevue Wing-T
is the O line.

[Mong Hu]

It doesn't matter how the posters on the board think. The game will not be won or lost on this board!

What matters, and the only thing that matters is the performance of the kids on that day.

ps. I don't think coach Joseph will let the defense forget about the pass.

This was exactly the reason for the last few thoughts in my post.

I know that we are just fans and that the coaches will head off this type of thought on the team but the talk still makes me nervous. Guess it is just the coach in me coming through.

You and I are in agreement in this regard. It just always makes me nervous to hear that type of banter. I hate being overconfident. I just makes me feel like a good dose of humility is waiting just around the corner.

[Mong Hu]

I will have to go back and look but from what I remember Bellevue will use a 1 WR set if any in most cases. I think Katy will put a man out on an island there with one safety over the top and leave the other 9 in the box. I do think Katy will be able to force Bellevue to have to drive the field with 7 or 8 though. I could maybe see Bellevue breaking 1 or 2 (maybe 3) but no more than that. I don't think they will be able to sustain drives to score so if they do break the 3 then give them 21 which I don't think will be anywhere near enough to keep pace with Katy's offense.

I believe that you are correct from what little I have seen that they will run a one wide set (primarily). I agree that they will put a corner over top of him and will play a one high safety. I do not think that Katy will play the other corner in the box. They will leave him to the TE side and put him wide outstide the box (clarification: by wide I mean 3 to at the most 5 yards outside the tight end). The corner's responsibility will be to play the TE or wing on a deep out or seem route to his side and stay wide to come up on the force once Bell has committed to the sweep turning the entire play back into the pursing LB's. I think Katy will play this one with eight in the box.

Does Holl play the rover position? If he does I wouldn't be surprised to see his pass responsibility reduced allowing him to play more aggressively to the run. If I were coaching Holl up against this offense I would have him keying on the playside RB. If the RB stays home and blocks fill it up and train wreck the kid and play the ball inside out looking for your contain to turn the play back into you. If the RB motions or goes away then be patient and look to fill the cutback whole or watch for the tell tale pulling lineman kicking out your tackle or Sam on the counter. I could definitely see Holl playing more of a LB role in this game.

In regards to having to drive the ball I think Bellevue is comfortable with driving the ball. I think that they are an incredibly disciplined football team and would have no problem nickel and dimming a team to death. I think Katy is a disciplined team and will not give up the big play (I am not as generous as you, I think Bellevue would be lucky to get one big play but could see one happening not two or three) Katy runs a bend don't break style of defense which will give teams 3 or 4 yards a pop under the assumption that very few high school football teams can execute to the level necessary to put more than one or two in the end-zone in this manner. The philosophy has served the Tigers well over the years. I think Bellevue is one of the few teams that can do just that from what I have seen of them and read about them.

I think you hit the nail on the head when bringing up Katy's offense. I have heard very little of Bellevue's defense. There defense in my mind is suspect if for no other reason than I hear very little about it. I know one reason we switched to the offense we now run was to keep other offenses off the field. I think Bellevue has adopted a similar philosophy of the best defense is a good offense. Bellevue's defense is the big question mark in my mind. I know Katy's offense can take it to the best defenses out there. I know that Bellevue's offense can take it (and has taken it) to the best defenses out there. I know Katy has one of the best defenses, Bellevue, not so sure about their defense. My prediction this game will be about the defense of Bellevue and their ability or inability to shut down Katy's offense.

[D. Pinfold]

Odeagrad....great information. I have heard that Bellevue has quite a bit more size on the O-line this year than in previous years. Is this true? Will they adjust how they run the wing-t because of it?

Great that you got to play for Ennis and Tarbox. Very sad about Terry Ennis...the guy was a legend coach.

[dada]

Thanks for the replys. If Katy comes in focused and it is one of your typical hot and muggy Texas days Bellevue will be in trouble. Weather is going to play a huge part in this...likewise if Katy came to Bellevue and it was one of our typical 40-degree..cold..rainy with wind October or November days. If you can't practice in it..you don't know what it will be like when you play in it.
I am not sure you will see many from Bellevue make the trip. The average Bellevue resident isn't exactly rabid about their local high school football team.

Speaking of weather...WOW...it's killing us right now with no relief in sight...I have my AC all they way down to 70 and it's still showing 78 in the house.

[Mong Hu]

Checked out some stats on the newest member of the Katy program.
#40 Mr Young had a decent season for a sophmore at Humble HS.
400+ rushing, 7.00 yard average, 5 TD's.

If not mistaken Katy beat the hell out of Humble last season. This
young man looks like a player. Tailback, fullback, linebacker or
returning kicks hopefully he gets some good touches this upcoming
season.

My Young has same body type as Jonathan Stewart with Charlotte
in the NFL.

Many of the Katy Football skill position players run track? What type
of 400M relay time did Katy post this past spring? FYI Bellevue did
have a couple football players on the 400M relay team and they
turned a 44.6. A good state time for Washington is high the 41's to
42's.

As best I can tell Katy's best time in the 4x100 this year was a 42.31. There were a couple of football guys on the team at least, one a sophomore and one a senior. Times for the sprints in Texas tend to be faster than times further north (I know, I am from further North and am a head track coach. Texas times and southern times in general amaze me). Sprinters seem to love the heat. Fast times for Texas seem to be in the high 40's or low 41's. A high 41 would probably get you in as the slow team in the finals.

[Mong Hu]

#40 still has to learn a system, the same way a "Stud" at Bellevue would be no good if he couldn't grasp the Wing T. He's just a "bonus"

Odeagrad, I could be wrong, but I think most programs require players to run track, don't quote me on that.

I know when I played for Katy back in the late 80's/early 90's we were not required to run track but certainly a lot of football players did.

[odeagrad79]

Bellevue does have some very good size on the O and D line with under
classman. Can they play??? Only time will tell.

From my experience I would rather play against a 300lb fat boy vs a
210lb strong and fast athlete.

Most great HS football players never make it to the next level.

If any team from Washington can go to Texas and challenge one of the
5A champs and make a game of it, it will be a major loss for Texas and
a major victory for Washington.

On paper Bellevue does not stand a Chance.

[228boot@9]

Wow O Dea grad, coming from a private school that only the priveliged (or very talented) can go to, calling me a snot nose bellevue punk is rather funny. I tell you want, how bout you just own up to the fact that you are slinging crap in here about bellevue with your little schoolyard sissy comments about what you think you heard a coach saying. Oh and by the way I also played college ball at Central, and one year in semi pro (that was a joke though in all honesty) and before you talk smack about Central, last time I checked PSU wasnt exactly prime time daddy o. You still deflected my general point. YOU ARE FULL OF :Censor:

[Gator4ever]

Weather Report for September 12th 2009



It will be a cool 90F and with clouds. The winds will prevail from the North and humidity will be 69.5%.


It will not be Washington weather by any means but it will be Texas football.

[tigerowl06]

Wth?

weather report for september 12th 2009



it will be a cool 90f and with clouds. The winds will prevail from the north and humidity will be 69.5%.


It will not be washington weather by any means but it will be texas football.

[228boot@9]

Wow that wouldnt be bad at all, its around 80 here in September so thats closer than I thought it would be. Sticky though, like a wet towel thrown over your face.

[The King]

Weather Report for September 12th 2009



It will be a cool 90F and with clouds. The winds will prevail from the North and humidity will be 69.5%.


It will not be Washington weather by any means but it will be Texas football.

Given the last two weeks I think this is a little optimistic

[The King]

I believe that you are correct from what little I have seen that they will run a one wide set (primarily). I agree that they will put a corner over top of him and will play a one high safety. I do not think that Katy will play the other corner in the box. They will leave him to the TE side and put him wide outstide the box (clarification: by wide I mean 3 to at the most 5 yards outside the tight end). The corner's responsibility will be to play the TE or wing on a deep out or seem route to his side and stay wide to come up on the force once Bell has committed to the sweep turning the entire play back into the pursing LB's. I think Katy will play this one with eight in the box.

Does Holl play the rover position? If he does I wouldn't be surprised to see his pass responsibility reduced allowing him to play more aggressively to the run. If I were coaching Holl up against this offense I would have him keying on the playside RB. If the RB stays home and blocks fill it up and train wreck the kid and play the ball inside out looking for your contain to turn the play back into you. If the RB motions or goes away then be patient and look to fill the cutback whole or watch for the tell tale pulling lineman kicking out your tackle or Sam on the counter. I could definitely see Holl playing more of a LB role in this game.

In regards to having to drive the ball I think Bellevue is comfortable with driving the ball. I think that they are an incredibly disciplined football team and would have no problem nickel and dimming a team to death. I think Katy is a disciplined team and will not give up the big play (I am not as generous as you, I think Bellevue would be lucky to get one big play but could see one happening not two or three) Katy runs a bend don't break style of defense which will give teams 3 or 4 yards a pop under the assumption that very few high school football teams can execute to the level necessary to put more than one or two in the end-zone in this manner. The philosophy has served the Tigers well over the years. I think Bellevue is one of the few teams that can do just that from what I have seen of them and read about them.

I think you hit the nail on the head when bringing up Katy's offense. I have heard very little of Bellevue's defense. There defense in my mind is suspect if for no other reason than I hear very little about it. I know one reason we switched to the offense we now run was to keep other offenses off the field. I think Bellevue has adopted a similar philosophy of the best defense is a good offense. Bellevue's defense is the big question mark in my mind. I know Katy's offense can take it to the best defenses out there. I know that Bellevue's offense can take it (and has taken it) to the best defenses out there. I know Katy has one of the best defenses, Bellevue, not so sure about their defense. My prediction this game will be about the defense of Bellevue and their ability or inability to shut down Katy's offense.

I think they sometimes rotate the F/S and Rover based on what they expect from the offense (try to get a mismatch).

I would like to see him play a rover type against a Wing-T, and jus send him flying into the backfield and lay the wood on somebody every down. I think he would be very disruptive in that roll.

[TxDrake]

Given the last two weeks I think this is a little optimistic

Yesterday it was miserable in the pool.

[ktCarl]

Originally Posted by Gator4ever
Weather Report for September 12th 2009



It will be a cool 90F and with clouds. The winds will prevail from the North and humidity will be 69.5%.


It will not be Washington weather by any means but it will be Texas football.




Given the last two weeks I think this is a little optimistic

Actually, I hope it's a clear day in the mid 70's with a slight breeze.

[Pool Man]

Originally Posted by Gator4ever
Weather Report for September 12th 2009
It will be a cool 90F and with clouds. The winds will prevail from the North and humidity will be 69.5%. It will not be Washington weather by any means but it will be Texas football.


Actually, I hope it's a clear day in the mid 70's with a slight breeze.

Me too. I hate excuses.

[Miss Kitty]

Speaking of weather...WOW...it's killing us right now with no relief in sight...I have my AC all they way down to 70 and it's still showing 78 in the house.

At least you have an AC. Our's went out Saturday. It was 90 in the house at 11:30 last night. :(

[dada]

At least you have an AC. Our's went out Saturday. It was 90 in the house at 11:30 last night. :(

Whoa...sorry to hear that...it was scorching Saturday.

[85Roughneck]

My thinking is....to play against the wing t...don't look for the ball, just hit everyone not wearing red if they have the ball or not.:)

... now you got it !!! ;):D

[dada]

... now you got it !!! ;):D

Everyone who I've spoken to that runs or has faced the Wing-T says pretty much the same thing "Don't follow the Guards"

Is that true? Or is it something easier said than done?

[Fleeman93]

Everyone who I've spoken to that runs or has faced the Wing-T says pretty much the same thing "Don't follow the Guards"

Is that true? Or is it something easier said than done?

I don't have an answer but I bet I could direct you to a pretty good defensive coordinator that could.

[The King]

Everyone who I've spoken to that runs or has faced the Wing-T says pretty much the same thing "Don't follow the Guards"

Is that true? Or is it something easier said than done?

It doesn't matter what type of offense is being run if the QB is put on the groud behind the LOS with the ball in his hands on a regular basis it will not be successful.

[85Roughneck]

...I have my AC all they way down to 70 and it's still showing 78 in the house.

dude, you need more insulation in the attic and plenty of it, it seems.

[E-Vol-ution]

Our church cancelled services yesterday because electricity still hasn't been restored on that entire block since Wed evening's storm.That is ridiculous!Whoa...sorry to hear that...it was scorching Saturday.

[85Roughneck]

It doesn't matter what type of offense is being run if the QB is put on the groud behind the LOS with the ball in his hands on a regular basis it will not be successful.

all I have to say to this post is ... :notworthy

[prairiewinters]

all I have to say to this post is ... :notworthy


weather in Seattle today 73 degrees and sunny. Air conditioning needed about a week a year.

[HUM398]

Our church cancelled services yesterday because electricity still hasn't been restored on that entire block since Wed evening's storm.That is ridiculous!

It was 101 degrees today...and my AC went out last night.

I am sitting at home at the thermometer reads 89....is hell...and my floors are sweating....June sucks....July sucks...and August REALLY sucks.

[twcpfan1]

weather in Seattle today 73 degrees and sunny. Air conditioning needed about a week a year.

Lived in the PNW and Southern BC for a little while. The house or any of our cars did not even have A/C. Did not use to come as standard equipment back then. Never even gave it a thought.

[prairiewinters]

Lived in the PNW and Southern BC for a little while. The house or any of our cars did not even have A/C. Did not use to come as standard equipment back then. Never even gave it a thought.




Probably the nicest summer weather in the USA...........then comes Winter and days and days of rain. You want perfect, move to San Clemente.

[Fleeman93]

Probably the nicest summer weather in the USA...........then comes Winter and days and days of rain. You want perfect, move to San Clemente.

North Dakota?

[Mong Hu]

Everyone who I've spoken to that runs or has faced the Wing-T says pretty much the same thing "Don't follow the Guards"

Is that true? Or is it something easier said than done?

In a straight up Wing-T play the guards will take you to the promised land but any good Wing-T OC knows this as well. Every team that runs the Wing-T effectively has specific plays where the guards give false reads to keep teams honest (referred to as pulling to influence, one of the easiest blocks an Olineman can make). The team I played for in high school my senior year, after moving from Katy, ran a traditional Delaware Wing-T. We had one play that we would use against odd fronts like the one Katy runs were both guards pulled out in opposite directions and our center took the nose which ever direction the nose picked. The play was a quick hitter with the FB right up the gut. The FB would read the centers block. The play was installed in case opposing LB's started really keying in on our guards. It was absolutely hilarious to watch on film (the first time you run it it is usually good for 20-30 yards). It usually only worked once or twice a game and it certainly slowed up the LB's for the rest of the evening. So yes watch the guards but don't be to dependent on them they can fool you at times.

[Kat-na-hat]

It was 101 degrees today...and my AC went out last night.

I am sitting at home at the thermometer reads 89....is hell...and my floors are sweating....June sucks....July sucks...and August REALLY sucks.

AC guy just left with 350 of my dollars, but it's cool again, dang motor went out Sunday afternoon.....Bellevue is gonna sweat in Sept

[HUM398]

AC guy just left with 350 of my dollars, but it's cool again, dang motor went out Sunday afternoon.....Bellevue is gonna sweat in Sept

My capacitor burned out....sucks...didn't have time to go pick one up.

[Fleeman93]

My capacitor burned out....sucks...didn't have time to go pick one up.

Flux?

[prairiewinters]

North Dakota?



Or San Clemente, CA half way from LA to San Diego on the coast. Nice Pacific breeze most of the year which keeps the temperatures pretty much ideal. North Dakota, not so much.

[228boot@9]

You guys need to listen here for a sec. I distinctly remember during twoadays the temp being in the 90's here in Seattle even hotter some days. You can almost bank on 80's at least. Of course there is the humidity factor but cmon, can ten degrees or so make THAT much of a difference to a bunch of high school kids? Shoot when I was that young I could walk on water and leap tall buildings in a single bound, never really cared about the weather. We had temps in the 90's a few weeks ago, but lucky for us it only lasted a few days.

[Mong Hu]

You guys need to listen here for a sec. I distinctly remember during twoadays the temp being in the 90's here in Seattle even hotter some days. You can almost bank on 80's at least. Of course there is the humidity factor but cmon, can ten degrees or so make THAT much of a difference to a bunch of high school kids? Shoot when I was that young I could walk on water and leap tall buildings in a single bound, never really cared about the weather. We had temps in the 90's a few weeks ago, but lucky for us it only lasted a few days.

228boot,

As a person who played his first three years in the heat and humidity of Houston (I played for Katy) and then moved further north (Illinois) where we also experienced 90 degree days during two a days let me assure you that not all heat is the same. The heat in Illinois is different than the heat in Texas which is different from the heat that you experience. In Illinois the highs might reach into the 90's (and did my senior year) but it cooled at night. In Texas it did not cool down nearly as much when the sun went down. The heat in Texas was oppressive. You would walk out the door to practice and the heat would be in the air it would radiate up from the ground it felt as if you were weighted down with its force as soon as you walked from the doors of the school out on to the practice field. Even as the sun went down the heat stayed coming through your shoes as you walked across the baked ground. The heat in Texas, in the South, is a different animal and one that is formidable.

[Bass]

I got off work at 12:30 am and it had to be about 85 out and over 75% humidity. It was ridiculous.

[ktCarl]

I got off work at 12:30 am and it had to be about 85 out and over 75% humidity. It was ridiculous.

In Katy?!?!? It sure seems less humid than normal for this time of year.

[Kat-na-hat]

My capacitor burned out....sucks...didn't have time to go pick one up.

Wish that's all mine were, Texas heat with the sun beatin' down on it will shorten the life a many things, I think that's why we don't have any Wolverines down here.

[Kat-na-hat]

You guys need to listen here for a sec. I distinctly remember during twoadays the temp being in the 90's here in Seattle even hotter some days. You can almost bank on 80's at least. Of course there is the humidity factor but cmon, can ten degrees or so make THAT much of a difference to a bunch of high school kids? Shoot when I was that young I could walk on water and leap tall buildings in a single bound, never really cared about the weather. We had temps in the 90's a few weeks ago, but lucky for us it only lasted a few days.

Try working out in a sauna, you know, one of them steam bath things at the health club.

[Miss Kitty]

It was 101 degrees today...and my AC went out last night.

I am sitting at home at the thermometer reads 89....is hell...and my floors are sweating....June sucks....July sucks...and August REALLY sucks.

I feel your pain. I hope we get ours fixed today. :( They are saying we need a new air handler.

[dada]

Remember, this is a football board.




Gracias!



:D

[Pool Man]

You guys need to listen here for a sec. I distinctly remember during twoadays the temp being in the 90's here in Seattle even hotter some days. You can almost bank on 80's at least. Of course there is the humidity factor but cmon, can ten degrees or so make THAT much of a difference to a bunch of high school kids? Shoot when I was that young I could walk on water and leap tall buildings in a single bound, never really cared about the weather. We had temps in the 90's a few weeks ago, but lucky for us it only lasted a few days.

You know, I was just sitting here catching up on this thread from yesterday, and I was thinking to myself what a difference ten degrees makes. It's amazing how it feels good at 65 and great at 75. It might be a little warm, but not too bad at 85, but when it gets to 95 in Houston, it is all coming off the Gulf of Mexico and the difference in humidity makes it unbearable. If I was Bellevue, I would pray for a cool front come September. A "cool front" because we don't get cold fronts here.

[dada]

You know, I was just sitting here catching up on this thread from yesterday, and I was thinking to myself what a difference ten degrees makes. It's amazing how it feels good at 65 and great at 75. It might be a little warm, but not too bad at 85, but when it gets to 95 in Houston, it is all coming off the Gulf of Mexico and the difference in humidity makes it unbearable. If I was Bellevue, I would pray for a cool front come September. A "cool front" because we don't get cold fronts here.

the highest temperature for Sept in Houston is 109.....Sept. 2000

I've experienced all kinds of heat.....been to Ft. Lewis, Wa, did some time in the Mojave Desert, but even there, the heat wasn't as thick and muggy as it is here. The heat here makes me want to randomly kick people in the stomach lol.

[Pool Man]

the highest temperature for Sept in Houston is 109.....Sept. 2000

I've experienced all kinds of heat.....been to Ft. Lewis, Wa, did some time in the Mojave Desert, but even there, the heat wasn't as thick and muggy as it is here. The heat here makes me want to randomly kick people in the stomach lol.

My grandmother lives near Lake Havasue, Arizona and that's where I spent my summers growing up. I remember the sign at the bank always had the time and temperature and the highest I ever saw it was 136. it wasn't uncommon for it to be 125 there. People will argue "yeah, but it's a dry heat." I guess it is a dry heat, but that's what it reminds me of here when it's 100 with 85% humidity. Either way it's miserable and you won't understand it until you experience it.

[Pool Man]

the highest temperature for Sept in Houston is 109.....Sept. 2000

I've experienced all kinds of heat.....been to Ft. Lewis, Wa, did some time in the Mojave Desert, but even there, the heat wasn't as thick and muggy as it is here. The heat here makes me want to randomly kick people in the stomach lol.

What were you in for?

[dada]

What were you in for?

LOL...was assinged to a unit that loved training for the Middle East. Would drive in to Barstow and that was all the excitment we could get.

[dada]

Thanks for reminding me Poolman....I know have something to Compare the Houston humidity to.

All Army people will get this....

A road march in the Mojave......in Mopp 4


That's what the heat is like here...lol

For non military folks...Mopp4 is the higest level of chemical gear. Basicly a sweat suit lined with Charcoal

[TxDrake]

The thing that stands out to me is that no one is saying we're use to the weather. I grew up on a farm and playing sports, working and playing outside my whole life yet it still takes a few weeks every spring to start adjusting to the heat, not that I ever get use to it. I just get to the point I can tolerated.

[The King]

You guys need to listen here for a sec. I distinctly remember during twoadays the temp being in the 90's here in Seattle even hotter some days. You can almost bank on 80's at least. Of course there is the humidity factor but cmon, can ten degrees or so make THAT much of a difference to a bunch of high school kids? Shoot when I was that young I could walk on water and leap tall buildings in a single bound, never really cared about the weather. We had temps in the 90's a few weeks ago, but lucky for us it only lasted a few days.

Its not that the high will likely be 98 or 99 (if we are lucky), its that the low will be 95 or 96. Other places I've been to with heat cool down overnight, Southeast Texas really goes not.

I remember one night in college my roomate and I were getting ready for a late september party that was outdoors. We had the weather channel on at the apartment when they did a local update. it was 9:03 pm and 103 degrees with 85% humidity, and we didn't think it was really all that spectacular.

[TxDrake]

Agreed.....if it's hot and muggy...Bellevue will have 2 days to "adjust".


Now the big factor is.....how will it affect a team that has players playing both sides of the ball, facing the heat and humidity for the first time?

surely there's at least 1 person on this board who went to a northern college and played a game in SE TX

[dada]

surely there's at least 1 person on this board who went to a northern college and played a game in SE TX

The closest I can come is comparing Ft.Lewis Wa, to living in Houston. Summer's in Ft.Lewis are pleasant compared to here.

[Bellevue Pride]

I think I need to check in on you boys (and Miss Kitty) more often. For the last few pages of catching up I thought I was on The Weather Channel Forum:D.

I'm not taking anything away from the Katy team. I understand and respect the hard wrok and discipline that those kids devote to this game. In many respects Katy and Bellevue were separated at birth. I think that having to play both ways truly builds up a players endurance. They learn how to truly challenge and pace themselves. You loose a great deal of fluid and electrolytes playing both ways no matter how humid it is. They've learned how to stay hydrated. They can sub when they have to. The scout team is good enough to hone the starters, they're good enough to carry the weight in game when it counts. Don't let the average weather in the PNW fool you. In August and Early September these boys are training in 85 degree temps. Yeah I know it's not humid. So here's the X factor-- On September 12th at 7 PM if you guys have below average humidity, I think it's anyone's ballgame.

[KT2000]

They could play this game at Qwest Field or the base of Rainier and it would honestly not change my outlook of either team. So, I see any weather talk as nothing but "hot air."

[dada]

They could play this game at Qwest Field or the base of Rainier and it would honestly not change my outlook of either team. So, I see any weather talk as nothing but "hot air."

I think it has more to do with depth...or lack of.

[TxDrake]

They could play this game at Qwest Field or the base of Rainier and it would honestly not change my outlook of either team. So, I see any weather talk as nothing but "hot air."

what would you do if you coached bellevue? You can't change the whole offense for just a game, so how do you trip up Katy's D?

[Bass]

what would you do if you coached bellevue? You can't change the whole offense for just a game, so how do you trip up Katy's D?

Play dirty.


















;)

[B Proud]

what would you do if you coached bellevue? You can't change the whole offense for just a game, so how do you trip up Katy's D?

Run the Wing-T:)

[Fleeman93]

LOL...was assinged to a unit that loved training for the Middle East. Would drive in to Barstow and that was all the excitment we could get.

Ft Erwin?

[KT2000]

what would you do if you coached bellevue? You can't change the whole offense for just a game, so how do you trip up Katy's D?

I would stay true to who I am and execute what I know best. One of the worst things a team can do is get outside of itself. I expect Bellevue to do whatever's won them all those state championships and Katy is going to do the same.

One thing Bellevue needs is a strong inside runner. I don't think they can have any consistent success against a Katy defense if they don't have the ability to generate yards between the tackles. Most really good Wing T teams have a bullish FB type that lines up behind the QB and the scatback will be on the wing. They will need to be prepared to pass more than 10 times.

They aren't going to see half of Katy's defense going the wrong way like I've seen in some of their videos. Katy does not play ball watching defense. Katy plays extremely fundamentally sound and disciplined gap control defense.

Defensively, they will need a very physical and athletic defensive line in order to have a chance of slowing Katy's running game down. If they can't match up across the defensive line, it will be very difficult for them to keep Katy out of the end zone.

[Fleeman93]

Run the Wing-T:)

I look at the other Washington team up there that held Bellevue to 120 yards. I would have to think this Katy defense is at the very least as good as that team's defense. I guess the real question is how will Bellevue's 2009 offense compare to the one that was held to 120.


Again, how is Bellevue's defense going to stop Katy pounding the ball up the middle like they aren't use to?

[Miss Kitty]

I think I need to check in on you boys (and Miss Kitty) more often. For the last few pages of catching up I thought I was on The Weather Channel Forum:D.

I'm not taking anything away from the Katy team. I understand and respect the hard wrok and discipline that those kids devote to this game. In many respects Katy and Bellevue were separated at birth. I think that having to play both ways truly builds up a players endurance. They learn how to truly challenge and pace themselves. You loose a great deal of fluid and electrolytes playing both ways no matter how humid it is. They've learned how to stay hydrated. They can sub when they have to. The scout team is good enough to hone the starters, they're good enough to carry the weight in game when it counts. Don't let the average weather in the PNW fool you. In August and Early September these boys are training in 85 degree temps. Yeah I know it's not humid. So here's the X factor-- On September 12th at 7 PM if you guys have below average humidity, I think it's anyone's ballgame.

Thanks for checking on me. :)

I think both teams will "bring it" no matter what. That is part of who they are. I don't look for BV to look for excuses and I don't expect Katy to think they will either. My concern for all of the players is their health. I hope they both have an injury free game and come out of this game having learned something to take ahead into their district play.

[Fleeman93]

Here are the problems I see for Bellevue for this game (in order):

1. No answer for Katy's offense.
2. Sustaining drives against Katy's defense - I think Bellevue could break 1, 2, maybe 3 (seriously doubt 3) long runs for touchdowns but I don't see them driving 80 yards for scores to eat up clock.
3. Lack of depth to run with Katy's horses - Katy regularly plays teams with way more depth than Bellevue and those teams can't keep up most of the time.
4. The heat - no way in hell (pun intended) Bellevue will be prepared for it.
5. The Sea of Red - I list it last because Bellevue is obviously use to the big games but this will still be very lopsided in Katy's favor.

[TxDrake]

Play dirty.


















;)
for some reason a couple of play off games from last yr popped into my head

[B Proud]

I look at the other Washington team up there that held Bellevue to 120 yards. I would have to think this Katy defense is at the very least as good as that team's defense. I guess the real question is how will Bellevue's 2009 offense compare to the one that was held to 120. Bellevue started 7 or 8 sophomores on offense in that game and they haven't lost since. Those guys will all by seniors at Katy.


Again, how is Bellevue's defense going to stop Katy pounding the ball up the middle like they aren't use to? I think this year the D line will be better than last and probably the strongest part of the defense. So the D line will be in the backfield all night long and the backers will clean up the mess.
...

[Fleeman93]

...

Will Bellevue have RB as good as the one that got all of the attention last year?


Have no idea what the Bellevue defensive line will bring but Katy has seen some pretty good ones over the years. I know that doesn't translate to this game but the scheme usually helps a lot. I don't see Bellevue having a defensive lineman as good as the Texas defensive MVP and Katy managed to deal with him fairly well. I just don't see any way that Bellevue slows down Katy's running game and if the running game is there then the bread and butter will be also.

[Fleeman93]

Yep!

Fun place. Went during the winter. We did a 4 our road march to our objective and got there early so we all hunkered down. I pulled a poncho over me to try and keep warm and when I woke up the condensation from my breath froze to the outside of the poncho and ice slid off of it when I got up. Fun times.

[dada]

Fun place. Went during the winter. We did a 4 our road march to our objective and got there early so we all hunkered down. I pulled a poncho over me to try and keep warm and when I woke up the condensation from my breath froze to the outside of the poncho and ice slid off of it when I got up. Fun times.

Crazy....as soon as the sun comes up...It's hot as heck.....nothing to block the sun, but as soon as it goes down....you need a jacket.

[dada]

Honest question.

Will this Katy team be the best team Bellevue has faced in recent years including De LaSalle?

[Wypirates03]

Play dirty.


;)

Speaking of Dirty, I'm kinda wishing your signature would just *poof*... Kinda making me think dirty thoughts... and I'm at the library right now.

:D

[Fleeman93]

Honest question.

Will this Katy team be the best team Bellevue has faced in recent years including De LaSalle?

Yep. This Katy team has the POTENTIAL to be mentioned with the best Katy teams of all time so I don't see how you can say no. De La Salle was not that great the year Bellevue beat them (take a look see at their record).

[B Proud]

[quote=Fleeman93;1215499]Here are the problems I see for Bellevue for this game (in order):

1. No answer for Katy's offense. I don't think Bellevue is going to see anything they can't handle here.
2. Sustaining drives against Katy's defense - I think Bellevue could break 1, 2, maybe 3 (seriously doubt 3) long runs for touchdowns but I don't see them driving 80 yards for scores to eat up clock. Bellevue is a big play team and doesn't really care about eating clock.
3. Lack of depth to run with Katy's horses - Katy regularly plays teams with way more depth than Bellevue and those teams can't keep up most of the time. I think Bellevue has at least as many horses as Katy. I thought you guys won with disipline not talent.
4. The heat - no way in hell (pun intended) Bellevue will be prepared for it.Definitely a factor.
5. The Sea of Red - I list it last because Bellevue is obviously use to the big games but this will still be very lopsided in Katy's favor.This is the unknown. Bellevue has never won a huge game away from home. The biggest reason to go to Texas.

[Fleeman93]

[quote=Fleeman93;1215499]Here are the problems I see for Bellevue for this game (in order):

1. No answer for Katy's offense. I don't think Bellevue is going to see anything they can't handle here.

I think you are in for a huge surprise with this line of thinking.

2. Sustaining drives against Katy's defense - I think Bellevue could break 1, 2, maybe 3 (seriously doubt 3) long runs for touchdowns but I don't see them driving 80 yards for scores to eat up clock. Bellevue is a big play team and doesn't really care about eating clock.

This will lead directly back to the depth issue for Bellevue especially on the defensive side of the ball. If Bellevue can't sustain drives against Katy then Bellevue's defense will be on the field way way too long against a punishing Katy offense and by the middle of the 3rd the defense will be spent. Having ANY players play both ways will only amplify this problem for Bellevue.

3. Lack of depth to run with Katy's horses - Katy regularly plays teams with way more depth than Bellevue and those teams can't keep up most of the time. I think Bellevue has at least as many horses as Katy. I thought you guys won with disipline not talent.

Katy generally has depth at each position where a rotation doesn't hurt production that much if at all. This year Katy has a few horses that have the potential to be real real real good in the system. The other thing is that Katy's horses will only be playing on one side of the ball.

4. The heat - no way in hell (pun intended) Bellevue will be prepared for it.Definitely a factor.

This will be the multiplying factor for everything on the list with the exception of 5.

5. The Sea of Red - I list it last because Bellevue is obviously use to the big games but this will still be very lopsided in Katy's favor.This is the unknown. Bellevue has never won a huge game away from home. The biggest reason to go to Texas.

I'm interested to see if Bellevue will bring a bigger crowd than Cy Bay. I really hope the stadium is packed to capacity for this one.



..

[B Proud]

Honest question.

Will this Katy team be the best team Bellevue has faced in recent years including De LaSalle?

This Katy team should be the best team Bellevue has ever faced. You guys make it sound like this Katy team will be the best team in the history of Texas high school football.

[Kat-na-hat]

Honest question.

Will this Katy team be the best team Bellevue has faced in recent years including De LaSalle?

Execution, Ball Control, Discpline, Adjustments, Depth and Coaching.....Yep I would say so. Bellevue is a good team, but when Katy plays Katy football, Katy wins.

[B Proud]

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Here are the problems I see for Bellevue for this game (in order):

1. No answer for Katy's offense. I don't think Bellevue is going to see anything they can't handle here.

I think you are in for a huge surprise with this line of thinking.

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I've seen a lot of film on Katy's offense so what am I missing? It looks like a veer with zone blocking to me. Is that considered a pretty complicated offense? Do you think Bellevue hasn't seen this before?

I don't think I've seen a game where Katy scored 30 plus points on a great defense. Has it happened?

[dada]

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Here are the problems I see for Bellevue for this game (in order):

1. No answer for Katy's offense. I don't think Bellevue is going to see anything they can't handle here.

I think you are in for a huge surprise with this line of thinking.

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I've seen a lot of film on Katy's offense so what am I missing? It looks like a veer with zone blocking to me. Is that considered a pretty complicated offense? Do you think Bellevue hasn't seen this before?

I don't think I've seen a game where Katy scored 30 plus points on a great defense. Has it happened?

Just as "Complicated" as the Wing T....if it was THAT easy....every team would run it. So like you say..You don't think KATY has seen this before?

It's about Execution..Cy-bay ran the Wing T for a whopping 82 yards against Katy last season so it all about how you EXECUTE the offense...Bellevue, from what we hear executes it better....the same with Katy and their offense.

[Bellevue Pride]

Will Bellevue have RB as good as the one that got all of the attention last year? HA HA! You have no idea ! You make alot of bold statements about why Katy will prevail and then you ask a question like this??? with 106 or more pages (OK so 30 of them is about your weather) on Bellevue in this thread you haven't learned anything yet. :eek: Last year Bellevue had fantastic running backs that carried them throughout the season. The RB that got all the attention last year was out with injuries for much of the season and the junior RBs lead the way. All 4 of those guys are seniors this year and they are bigger and faster then last year.

Have no idea what the Bellevue defensive line will bring (Moses parted the RED SEA and Bellevue D will part the SEA OF RED:notworthy) but Katy has seen some pretty good ones over the years. I know that doesn't translate to this game but the scheme usually helps a lot. I don't see Bellevue having a defensive lineman as good as the Texas defensive MVP and Katy managed to deal with him fairly well. I just don't see any way that Bellevue slows down Katy's running game and if the running game is there then the bread and butter will be also.


Ok, I'm done talking smack. I just couldn't resist. but I'm straight up about our RBs.:ninja:

[dada]

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Here are the problems I see for Bellevue for this game (in order):

1. No answer for Katy's offense. I don't think Bellevue is going to see anything they can't handle here.

I think you are in for a huge surprise with this line of thinking.

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I've seen a lot of film on Katy's offense so what am I missing? It looks like a veer with zone blocking to me. Is that considered a pretty complicated offense? Do you think Bellevue hasn't seen this before?

I don't think I've seen a game where Katy scored 30 plus points on a great defense. Has it happened?

Name a team in Texas that you consider a "Great" defense

[ktCarl]

This Katy team should be the best team Bellevue has ever faced. You guys make it sound like this Katy team will be the best team in the history of Texas high school football.

You have to factor Homerism into the equation. :D

[ktCarl]

Ok, I'm done talking smack. I just couldn't resist. but I'm straight up about our RBs.:ninja:


Are those two Bros. the Nguyen brothers?

[Patriot1]

Ok, I'm done talking smack. I just couldn't resist. but I'm straight up about our RBs.:ninja:


I completely agree about Bells RBs. These kids are solid and they're speed demons. If they can't break the long ones against the Katy DBs they will surely pound it out in the trenches and nickel and dime you all the way down the field and burn up the clock.

[ktchamp97]

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Here are the problems I see for Bellevue for this game (in order):

1. No answer for Katy's offense. I don't think Bellevue is going to see anything they can't handle here.

I think you are in for a huge surprise with this line of thinking.

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I've seen a lot of film on Katy's offense so what am I missing? It looks like a veer with zone blocking to me. Is that considered a pretty complicated offense? Do you think Bellevue hasn't seen this before?

I don't think I've seen a game where Katy scored 30 plus points on a great defense. Has it happened?
How is that relevant unless you think Bellevue has a "great defense" and an offense that will put up 30 points on this Katy defense?

[KT2000]

I've seen a lot of film on Katy's offense so what am I missing? It looks like a veer with zone blocking to me. Is that considered a pretty complicated offense? Do you think Bellevue hasn't seen this before?

Nothing. You've got it nailed to the wall. Very basic and easy to read.

[dada]

LOL..You know it's a long offseason when the WASHINGTON fans start questioning who Katy has played.

Like someone said before..."They must plays some SERIOUS ball up in Washington":notworthy

[Wypirates03]

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Here are the problems I see for Bellevue for this game (in order):

1. No answer for Katy's offense. I don't think Bellevue is going to see anything they can't handle here.

I think you are in for a huge surprise with this line of thinking.


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I've seen a lot of film on Katy's offense so what am I missing? It looks like a veer with zone blocking to me. Is that considered a pretty complicated offense? Do you think Bellevue hasn't seen this before?

I don't think I've seen a game where Katy scored 30 plus points on a great defense. Has it happened?

Katy is more about fundamentls and perfection than complication. They make it look easy, and it's probably an easy concept to grasp... but it's very difficult to run the veer and execute as well as Katy does. If Coach Joesph didn't drill into the heads of his students that fundamentals ='d success... Katy would not be as good. Again, it's all about the fundamentals.

Katy fans... back me up on this. :)

[Owned05]

Katy is more about fundamentls and perfection than complication. They make it look easy, and it's probably an easy concept to grasp... but it's very difficult to run the veer and execute as well as Katy does. If Coach Joesph didn't drill into the heads of his students that fundamentals ='d success... Katy would not be as good. Again, it's all about the fundamentals.

Katy fans... back me up on this. :)

It's about the fundamentals for sure.

Katy doesn't run the veer though. Pro I formation along with a zone blocking scheme. We've had a few OLinemen goto D1 colleges and have impressed college coaches with there knowledge of the zone blocking scheme.

It's a lot deeper then most of yall think.

Katy just makes it look easy.

[Wypirates03]

It's about the fundamentals for sure.

Katy doesn't run the veer though. Pro I formation along with a zone blocking scheme. We've had a few OLinemen goto D1 colleges and have impressed college coaches with there knowledge of the zone blocking scheme.

It's a lot deeper then most of yall think.

Katy just makes it look easy.

That's what I get for replying to someone who doesn't know what they're talking about... lol. I knew they ran the Pro-I... I watched that game in horror last year... and all of it. Then about 3 times over the next week just to make sure I wasn't dreaming. I saw the Pro-I plenty of times... Not sure why I would say the veer... the only team I know of that runs the veer (and may not this year with a new coach) is Carrollton Creekview.

[B Proud]

Name a team in Texas that you consider a "Great" defense

Wylie's defense last year looked pretty great to me.

[dada]

Wylie's defense last year looked pretty great to me.

So you're in the group that says"Katy ONLY scored 17"? in a 17-3 win?

You know Wylie had a really high octane offense right?

[The King]

Nothing. You've got it nailed to the wall. Very basic and easy to read.

I'm gonna give everybody a little hint here.

90%+ of the time Katy sends a WR in Motion, when they do this Katy usually runs the ball to the side the WR runs to.

[The King]

They could play this game at Qwest Field or the base of Rainier and it would honestly not change my outlook of either team. So, I see any weather talk as nothing but "hot air."

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[dada]

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Katy has only 4 plays in their playbook.....all based on "Tecmo Bowl".

[B Proud]

How is that relevant unless you think Bellevue has a "great defense" and an offense that will put up 30 points on this Katy defense?

I think Bellevue has a great defense (less than 10 points/game allowed last year) and an offense that will put up 30 plus points against Katy.

[dada]

I think Bellevue has a great defense (less than 10 points/game allowed last year) and an offense that will put up 30 plus points against Katy.

WOW.......wow...........wow

wow. The boldest prediction I've read this far...Belleve will go into Rhodes Stadium and run their way to 30 points or more.....wow

[B Proud]

So you're in the group that says"Katy ONLY scored 17"? in a 17-3 win?

You know Wylie had a really high octane offense right?

No, I'm in the group that says "17 won't be enough to beat Bellevue"

[The King]

Katy has only 4 plays in their playbook.....all based on "Tecmo Bowl".

I thought there were only 3 what one was i missing.

[dada]

No, I'm in the group that says "17 won't be enough to beat Bellevue"

I think you're in for a big slice of reality if you HONESTLY beleive that.

[TxDrake]

Wylie's defense last year looked pretty great to me.
scale of 1-10 with Wylie's D a 5 where would you put bell's D?

[dada]

I thought there were only 3 what one was i missing.

The punt play.

[B Proud]

WOW.......wow...........wow

wow. The boldest prediction I've read this far...Belleve will go into Rhodes Stadium and run their way to 30 points or more.....wow


WOW over 100 pages but you've finally figured it out. :D

[B Proud]

Don't worry...Got all of this filed away for Sept 13th.;)

Me too... and I have 100 pages of saved quotes. You're gonna love Sept. 13.;)

[Patriot1]

Don't worry...Got all of this filed away for Sept 13th.;)

So do I !:cool:

About 50 pages ago I predicted Bellevue 24 Katy 21 (I think). After careful thought I'm gonna change that to Bellevue 27 Katy 21.:eek:

[Bellevue Pride]

So do I !:cool:

About 50 pages ago I predicted Bellevue 24 Katy 21 (I think). After careful thought I'm gonna change that to Bellevue 27 Katy 21.:eek:

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[caveman]

You have no idea....lol

.....
BTW, dada- I messed up. I passed along the wrong # of days on a Katy message board, to the start of Katy football. As someone found me out, I was thinking of the Cinco Ranch game.
My bad.:ninja:

[F18mustang]

Are Bellevue world beaters? If so, why haven't I ever heard of them before?

[Miss Kitty]

Katy is more about fundamentls and perfection than complication. They make it look easy, and it's probably an easy concept to grasp... but it's very difficult to run the veer and execute as well as Katy does. If Coach Joesph didn't drill into the heads of his students that fundamentals ='d success... Katy would not be as good. Again, it's all about the fundamentals.

Katy fans... back me up on this. :)

Fundamentals is the key to success in most anything you do. It is the basis for the Katy program. Too bad so many folks around the world seem to have lost the basic fundamentals of life, human kindness and respect.

[B Proud]

So do I !:cool:

About 50 pages ago I predicted Bellevue 24 Katy 21 (I think). After careful thought I'm gonna change that to Bellevue 27 Katy 21.:eek:

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Beautiful! I'll say Bellevue 34 Katy 21.

[F18mustang]

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Beautiful! I'll say Bellevue 34 Katy 21.

The only reason I would be nervous for Katy is if they were traveling over 1000 miles....

[Miss Kitty]

I think Bellevue has a great defense (less than 10 points/game allowed last year) and an offense that will put up 30 plus points against Katy.

I like someone who believes in their team like you do. :notworthy

[F18mustang]

I like someone who believes in their team like you do. :notworthy

Got to give em' their props, but can they do the same?

[Miss Kitty]

.....
BTW, dada- I messed up. I passed along the wrong # of days on a Katy message board, to the start of Katy football. As someone found me out, I was thinking of the Cinco Ranch game.
My bad.:ninja:

ha ha ha ha ha :D

[Miss Kitty]

Got to give em' their props, but can they do the same?

So far I have found the Bellevue fans to be a great group to discuss the game with. Mutual respect goes a long way.

[TxDrake]

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Beautiful! I'll say Bellevue 34 Katy 21.
how come only 34? And how is a boring predictable offense putting up 21 on you?

[SeeingRed]

I'm gonna give everybody a little hint here.

90%+ of the time Katy sends a WR in Motion, when they do this Katy usually runs the ball to the side the WR runs to.

Correct me on this, but isn't this play number 2?

[B Proud]

how come only 34? And how is a boring predictable offense putting up 21 on on you?

I think Katy has a great defense and if they can hold Bellevue to 28 or less it would be huge. I don't think Bellevue has scored less than 30 against any OOS team and I think this could be the best team Bellevue has fielded.

I didn't say Katy's O was boring or predictable. I think smash mouth football is the way to go. I said it was a veer with zone blocking and that's what it looks like to me.

[E-Vol-ution]

Damn......maybe my wife is right about me fishing too much. I was about to ask where you fish down that way..........This year I am fishing as many lakes and rivers in Texas as I can. :D....I really like this thread now. My live well is full now so I'm really done fishing..I mean posting here....lol...got my share of keepers so now back to North Shore.


See you B'vue guys in Sept.

[Pool Man]

So far I have found the Bellevue fans to be a great group to discuss the game with. Mutual respect goes a long way.


I've enjoyed it too, but we still haven't heard much about their defense. I want to know how they're going to hold Katy to 21.

[caveman]

I've enjoyed it too, but we still haven't heard much about their defense. I want to know how they're going to hold Katy to 21.
That ole' Poolman, just keeps cutting to the chase. Will not let up. What's that black and white 50's movie line, 'Just the facts man'.

[85Roughneck]

The heat here makes me want to randomly kick people in the stomach lol.

... I knew it was a good idea to keep at least one eye on you at all times. :cool:

[85Roughneck]

They could play this game at Qwest Field or the base of Rainier and it would honestly not change my outlook of either team. So, I see any weather talk as nothing but "hot air."


THIS !!! darn it!!!

and let me follow up with this ... I say Katy is gonna kick the lining out of Bellevue's pants even it there's 3 feet of snow in the middle of the Jack come September 12th. If I have too I'll drive the Zamboni and drag the baseball fields rake to break up the ice between quaters. Katy still wins ... decisively. :cool:

[85Roughneck]

Run the Wing-T:)

futile ... :cool:

[Pool Man]

THIS !!! darn it!!!

and let me follow up with this ... I say Katy is gonna kick the lining out of Bellevue's pants even it there's 3 feet of snow in the middle of the Jack come September 12th. If I have too I'll drive the Zamboni and drag the baseball fields rake to break up the ice between quaters. Katy still wins ... decisively. :cool:

Does the school district even own a zamboni? :eek:

[85Roughneck]

.I think this year the D line will be better than last and probably the strongest part of the defense. So the D line will be in the backfield all night long and the backers will clean up the mess...

incorrect ... your boys ain't played an O-line like the Katy boys ... you'll see. :cool:

[jc84chill]

I think Katy has a great defense and if they can hold Bellevue to 28 or less it would be huge. I don't think Bellevue has scored less than 30 against any OOS team and I think this could be the best team Bellevue has fielded.

I didn't say Katy's O was boring or predictable. I think smash mouth football is the way to go. I said it was a veer with zone blocking and that's what it looks like to me.

2-3 yards and a cloud of dust play after play. I sure hope we're not forced to actually pass.

[caveman]

THIS !!! darn it!!!

and let me follow up with this ... I say Katy is gonna kick the lining out of Bellevue's pants even it there's 3 feet of snow in the middle of the Jack come September 12th. If I have too I'll drive the Zamboni and drag the baseball fields rake to break up the ice between quaters. Katy still wins ... decisively. :cool:
85R...such the poet. So loquacious.

[85Roughneck]

[quote=Fleeman93;1215499]Here are the problems I see for Bellevue for this game (in order):

1. No answer for Katy's offense. I don't think Bellevue is going to see anything they can't handle here.
2. Sustaining drives against Katy's defense - I think Bellevue could break 1, 2, maybe 3 (seriously doubt 3) long runs for touchdowns but I don't see them driving 80 yards for scores to eat up clock. Bellevue is a big play team and doesn't really care about eating clock.
3. Lack of depth to run with Katy's horses - Katy regularly plays teams with way more depth than Bellevue and those teams can't keep up most of the time. I think Bellevue has at least as many horses as Katy. I thought you guys won with disipline not talent.
4. The heat - no way in hell (pun intended) Bellevue will be prepared for it.Definitely a factor.
5. The Sea of Red - I list it last because Bellevue is obviously use to the big games but this will still be very lopsided in Katy's favor.This is the unknown. Bellevue has never won a huge game away from home. The biggest reason to go to Texas.

if this is true and happens like you say, then it's all over but the cryin' for Bellevue. there will be very few if any big plays against the Tiger D. I foresee many 3 and outs for the Wolverines so get your punt team ready brother. :cool:

[Pool Man]

I think Katy has a great defense and if they can hold Bellevue to 28 or less it would be huge. I don't think Bellevue has scored less than 30 against any OOS team and I think this could be the best team Bellevue has fielded.

I didn't say Katy's O was boring or predictable. I think smash mouth football is the way to go. I said it was a veer with zone blocking and that's what it looks like to me.

This is good. We both think that this could be the best team we've ever had. It ought to be a great show!

[85Roughneck]

Katy has only 4 plays in their playbook.....all based on "Tecmo Bowl".

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[85Roughneck]

I think Bellevue has a great defense (less than 10 points/game allowed last year) and an offense that will put up 30 plus points against Katy.

man, what's it gonna take to get your butt to TEXAS for this game. I'd love for you to sit with our group. not to get angry with each other because we don't roll that way in person, but to have a Bellevue homer sit amongst all of us Katy homers would be great ... how can we make this happen?

[85Roughneck]

Don't worry...Got all of this filed away for Sept 13th.;)

me too ... :cool:

[dada]

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here it is....study up!
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[Pool Man]

man, what's it gonna take to get your butt to TEXAS for this game. I'd love for you to sit with our group. not to get angry with each other because we don't roll that way in person, but to have a Bellevue homer sit amongst all of us Katy homers would be great ... how can we make this happen?


Before you start asking, I just let you know now that I don't have any money!:o

[B Proud]

man, what's it gonna take to get your butt to TEXAS for this game. I'd love for you to sit with our group. not to get angry with each other because we don't roll that way in person, but to have a Bellevue homer sit amongst all of us Katy homers would be great ... how can we make this happen?

You can buy a visitors ticket and sit next to me. :D

[caveman]

man, what's it gonna take to get your butt to TEXAS for this game. I'd love for you to sit with our group. not to get angry with each other because we don't roll that way in person, but to have a Bellevue homer sit amongst all of us Katy homers would be great ... how can we make this happen?

I'm with it. :) Not a better than thang, just two great communities of football across a vast wonderful horizon meeting in the stands coming to watch their kids grow up. I did not feel comfortable with the "small" (descriptive IMO) Florida crowd last year, so I went and cheered (visited) on their side. Cy Bay was great loved their kids too. I can certainly understand travelling 1200 miles to a game. Please come and tell us about your kids.

[Bellevue Pride]

You can buy a visitors ticket and sit next to me. :D


Exactly ! We'll have our own section and we'll be in Blue and Gold. That will be "our House" . And you guys are first rate and welcomed in our house anytime. You come spend some time with us on game day.

[Bellevue Pride]

B Proud, sent you a PM. get back to me.

[caveman]

Exactly ! We'll have our own section and we'll be in Blue and Gold. That will be "our House" . And you guys are first rate and welcomed in our house anytime. You come spend some time with us on game day.

Do bring Hometown! We want to hear. You will have a GREAT visit. And our kids will play some football that THEY WILL REMEMBER for a long time!:notworthy

[cougmantx]

I think you're in for a big slice of reality if you HONESTLY beleive that.

Dada, I don't think it is a big slice of reality they need because in their reality they are the big dogs in a pack of lap dogs...:notworthy

Washington reality and Texas reality are as different as night and day...

I have a bet that Katy wins by at least 21 and I am sticking to it.

[228boot@9]

228boot,

As a person who played his first three years in the heat and humidity of Houston (I played for Katy) and then moved further north (Illinois) where we also experienced 90 degree days during two a days let me assure you that not all heat is the same. The heat in Illinois is different than the heat in Texas which is different from the heat that you experience. In Illinois the highs might reach into the 90's (and did my senior year) but it cooled at night. In Texas it did not cool down nearly as much when the sun went down. The heat in Texas was oppressive. You would walk out the door to practice and the heat would be in the air it would radiate up from the ground it felt as if you were weighted down with its force as soon as you walked from the doors of the school out on to the practice field. Even as the sun went down the heat stayed coming through your shoes as you walked across the baked ground. The heat in Texas, in the South, is a different animal and one that is formidable.
Totally understand but here is my point. I grew up in Northern California and moved to washington the summer of my sophmore year. Now down there it was routinely in the 110-120 range, very humid down there in the rice field country, and the hottest I saw it was 126. My point is, I spent summers down there when I was in high school, and I didnt feel much of a difference between 115 down there and 95 up here. I do know what your talking about as far as different types of heat, but I seriously doubt it will be as much a factor as you Texas boys are hoping for.

[cougmantx]

Totally understand but here is my point. I grew up in Northern California and moved to washington the summer of my sophmore year. Now down there it was routinely in the 110-120 range, very humid down there in the rice field country, and the hottest I saw it was 126. My point is, I spent summers down there when I was in high school, and I didnt feel much of a difference between 115 down there and 95 up here. I do know what your talking about as far as different types of heat, but I seriously doubt it will be as much a factor as you Texas boys are hoping for.

I think the weather intangibles will be less of an issue and the quality of the defense and offense will be the only issue that determines this game.

[cougmantx]

That's what I get for replying to someone who doesn't know what they're talking about... lol. I knew they ran the Pro-I... I watched that game in horror last year... and all of it. Then about 3 times over the next week just to make sure I wasn't dreaming. I saw the Pro-I plenty of times... Not sure why I would say the veer... the only team I know of that runs the veer (and may not this year with a new coach) is Carrollton Creekview.

Bellevue went to the veer when Skyline held them. Skyline eventually won the game 6-0. I asked why Bellevue went to the veer and was told it was because Skyline was stuffing the wing-T and Bellevue always has a second plan to revert to...I'm thinking they better be working on alternative games plans now...:D

[caveman]

Totally understand but here is my point. I grew up in Northern California and moved to washington the summer of my sophmore year. Now down there it was routinely in the 110-120 range, very humid down there in the rice field country, and the hottest I saw it was 126. My point is, I spent summers down there when I was in high school, and I didnt feel much of a difference between 115 down there and 95 up here. I do know what your talking about as far as different types of heat, but I seriously doubt it will be as much a factor as you Texas boys are hoping for.

You're great Seattle in your response, I'm going to have to do some "Googling" (isn't that from up in your neck of the woods?)
on some of those 'facts'. We got some heat waiting for you down here. E.g., 'wind chill humidity factor' today- 100% PLUS :) Come on down!:):notworthy

[228boot@9]

Yep and you guys have no idea what Katy is in for. Bellevue runs the Wing like nobody you have ever seen, Katy is nothing Bellevue has not seen. Bellevue returns Most of the starters from last year, especially line and backfield. Bellevue has no depth??? Most of the third string guys would be starters in any other program, including the Texas teams. Every out of state team bellevue has played says the same thing, "Oh we have seen the wing t before, we play disciplined defense, we play gap control defense. Bellevue is a very good defensive team, most of their opponents scored in the fourth quarter on the second or third string players. The reason they have players going both ways is that they CAN. You will not find a better conditioned football team than bellevue, PERIOD! You will not find a stronger football team than Bellevue. Im gonna say it right now, if Katy puts up more than 21 on Bellevue I will be shocked. Honest to god Shocked, and thats after watching every bit of film I could on Katy. Good team? Absolutely, one of the best. Good enough??? We shall see. By the way, how do you guys like your crow cooked???

[228boot@9]

You're great Seattle in your response, I'm going to have to do some "Googling" (isn't that from up in your neck of the woods?)
on some of those 'facts'. We got some heat waiting for you down here. E.g., 'wind chill humidity factor' today- 100% PLUS :) Come on down!:):notworthy

Yep Cave I know its hard for you to comprehend cause "But mama Said" but yes northern Ca has temps that will rival anything in texas.
PS My cousin lives in Houston and is from CA and said its about the same, guess its all about perception.

[F18mustang]

Yep and you guys have no idea what Katy is in for. Bellevue runs the Wing like nobody you have ever seen, Katy is nothing Bellevue has not seen. Bellevue returns Most of the starters from last year, especially line and backfield. Bellevue has no depth??? Most of the third string guys would be starters in any other program, including the Texas teams. Every out of state team bellevue has played says the same thing, "Oh we have seen the wing t before, we play disciplined defense, we play gap control defense. Bellevue is a very good defensive team, most of their opponents scored in the fourth quarter on the second or third string players. The reason they have players going both ways is that they CAN. You will not find a better conditioned football team than bellevue, PERIOD! You will not find a stronger football team than Bellevue. Im gonna say it right now, if Katy puts up more than 21 on Bellevue I will be shocked. Honest to god Shocked, and thats after watching every bit of film I could on Katy. Good team? Absolutely, one of the best. Good enough??? We shall see. By the way, how do you guys like your crow cooked???

Man, that crap is tired.

[caveman]

Yep Cave I know its hard for you to comprehend cause "But mama Said" but yes northern Ca has temps that will rival anything in texas.
PS My cousin lives in Houston and is from CA and said its about the same, guess its all about perception.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB2tYYYlwMc

We can only go so far (link).
I was downloading Windows Defender when you responded, so I am typing intermittently. As far Northern California as I go is Inverness, where my Episcopal Priest went runs a super retreat(a GREAT Aggie!)...I can tell you your wonderful tropics just don't get it.
Still waiting for substance 2-2; Houston is a subtropical climate. It was said by voices mightier than mine, "There was no Houston until A/C was invented."
And we did not even need that against last year's Florida's Powerhouse, Ft. Lauderdale team. Bring it!
The important fact is that you all travel safely. We got plenty here to do on Friday nights, half way between the Coasts and half way between the Americas. Our airport is named Houston InterContinental (or Bush if you're in a hurry) and that pretty much tells it like it is. Welcome to Texas!

When you all come, the second fact you will discover in 'Downtown' Katy is Los Cuco's Mexican Cafe. You won't be able to beat that either. No way. So bring your appetite too. Crow must be a NW regional cultural thang. Too hot here, crow would simply not survive, we have buzzard fajitas on order (complete with sour cream).
The price is right, come on down! :notworthy

[odeagrad79]

Katy beat a very good Wylie football team 17 to 3 for the 5A title last
season.

Wylie only lost to two very good teams in Allen 31 to 28, and Plano 38 to
31.

Allen ended the season ranked #1 Texas and #5 National. Sounds like
Katy and Allen would have been one hell of a game.

I have been around High School football in Washington for the past
thirty years and the overall competition is not even close to the State
of Texas.

Just review the top 25 Rankings for Texas 5A this upcoming season IMO
Bellevue and Skyline would both have a very tough time being ranked
among these schools.

Not ranking on Bellevue or Washington high school football but the
week to week competition in Texas is far superior.

Bellevue has a great program by Washington State standards and they
do run the Wing T to near perfection. I have no doubt that the kids
work as hard as the Katy athletes and buy into the Bellevue way
120%.

[228boot@9]

LOL Cave, buzzard fajitas, now I would actually try that. I came to the conclusion that we all love our respective teams and the game of football, greatest game on earth, it is in fact americas game. Should we just smile and say "Yeah, both of these teams are in with the top programs in the nation" of course we all know that, but Im honest enough to know that the way I feel about Bellevues chances in this game are the same as a Katy fan who believes in the Tigers chances. All chest puffing aside, we all love these kids and the dedication and love they have for the game, and in all honesty thats what makes it as special as it is. The only thing I wish is that the community here in Seattle supported its high school sports the way you all do in Texas, if there was ever a model on how to do it right, you guys would be it.

[F18mustang]

LOL Cave, buzzard fajitas, now I would actually try that. I came to the conclusion that we all love our respective teams and the game of football, greatest game on earth, it is in fact americas game. Should we just smile and say "Yeah, both of these teams are in with the top programs in the nation" of course we all know that, but Im honest enough to know that the way I feel about Bellevues chances in this game are the same as a Katy fan who believes in the Tigers chances. All chest puffing aside, we all love these kids and the dedication and love they have for the game, and in all honesty thats what makes it as special as it is. The only thing I wish is that the community here in Seattle supported its high school sports the way you all do in Texas, if there was ever a model on how to do it right, you guys would be it.

Night and day between this post and your last one.

[odeagrad79]

I wish O'Dea had the Bellevue coaching staff and facilities. Bellevue does
get the max out of the talent they have on hand.

[228boot@9]

Yep, like I said, I believe bellevue will win this game because I believe in the team, the same way you think Katy will win because you believe in them. Like I said, when you throw out all the BS and get down to the bottom of it (See my above post) thats how I feel.

[228boot@9]

Odea has a good point, there is a ton of talent that just needs to be developed, especially in the Seattle School district itself. The most glaring difference in my opinion is the coaching from Texas compared to washington. I dont think some of these coaches we have here would last long in Texas, we have some very good ones for sure, but nothing like Texas. That I am willing to say is absolute fact.

[odeagrad79]

The high school football in the Seattle School District could be among
the least competitive in the country. I have attended many public school
practices in Seattle and at times can't tell the difference between the
coaches and the kids.

You got more kids hanging out on the sidelines talking **** then you have
kids with pads on.

[E-Vol-ution]

What high school did Nate Robinson of the Knicks go to?The high school football in the Seattle School District could be among
the least competitive in the country. I have attended many public school
practices in Seattle and at times can't tell the difference between the
coaches and the kids.

You got more kids hanging out on the sidelines talking **** then you have
kids with pads on.

[odeagrad79]

Nate Robinson attended Rainier Beach in South Seattle. Keep in mind that
Nate was a much better football player than basketball.

Nate attended the UofW on a football scholarship and was a walk on with
the basketball team.

Great three sport athlete football, basketball and track. Still holds the state record for the 120 hurdles at 13.8.

[caveman]

The high school football in the Seattle School District could be among
the least competitive in the country. I have attended many public school
practices in Seattle and at times can't tell the difference between the
coaches and the kids.

You got more kids hanging out on the sidelines talking **** then you have
kids with pads on.
Maxpreps.com; espn etc., Houston Chronicle refers to that as depth. Those without pads, did they look like they were injured (like in practice that week)? No doubt your boys' program has already proved what they can do and have done.
Say something about Bellvue. Center of Seattle? Nearby industries, etc? We are about 30 miles west of Houston, down the "Energy Corridor"; where long long ago, the Kansas and Texas Railroad lines met (hence K-T). It is said our Katy Prairie supplied fuel to the bombers used in the WW2 war effort.
We promise to provide an excellent educational opportunity here.

[228boot@9]

Well lets look at whos who in the Seattle area, you have Bellevue, Lakes, O'Dea, Skyline, Bothell, Issaquah, Kennedy, and I think thats about it as far as respectable programs. Not knocking other schools or the kids, but it starts at the head level with coaching, feeder programs and support. Im sure there are a few others that Im missing Odea grad can fill em in.

[caveman]

Well lets look at whos who in the Seattle area, you have Bellevue, Lakes, O'Dea, Skyline, Bothell, Issaquah, Kennedy, and I think thats about it as far as respectable programs. Not knocking other schools or the kids, but it starts at the head level with coaching, feeder programs and support. Im sure there are a few others that Im missing Odea grad can fill em in.

All new names down here.
What makes your program so successful?

[228boot@9]

Coaching by far is number one, the fact that the Junior Wolverine program has these kids running the same offense that the Varsity is running. By the time they get to High School they already have the fundamentals down as well as most of the playbook. Other schools have incoming freshman who have never even wore pads, let alone know what a trap block is. So much time is spent teaching them how to block, how to tackle, how to get in a stance, all the basics. Most of the kids in the Bellevue program learned that years before. So in essence they are years ahead of most other schools, which is why Bellevue seems to play with a maturity that doesnt reflect the age of the players (15 year old Sophmore QB Erick Block vs De La Salle for example)

[odeagrad79]

The big issue I have with the O'Dea program is not getting the full
benefit of the talent they have on a yearly basis. The O Line coach
at O'Dea IMO should attend a few Bellevue practices and take notes.

Kennedy coach Bourgette went to Bellevue in order to learn the Wing
T offense. Kennedy may play in the weakest 3A league in the state
but Bourgette does get the most out of his talent. Nate Williams
never walked off the field the four years he played for Kennedy.

Kennedy played Bellevue tough for the first half three years back
in the title game but ran out of gas in the 4th quarter. It was the
Wolverine QB Block that killed Kennedy in the end.

Kohler could make O'Dea more competitive by allowing more players
to go both ways. The Irish could also change the current lifting
program.

Lakes always has speed and talent but seem to come up short in
the playoffs.

[AriSTRONG22]

Hey, what's up 228! Good seeing you! I had been following some of your posts and figured out who you are. I also suspect I know who one of the other Bellevue posters are.

If anyone knows anything about Bellevue football, it's going to be 228. I guarantee he aint guessing or opinionating about Bellevue. He knows.

You were talking about the jr football program. No doubt fantastic coaching and they truly prepare the boys Bellevue football. The boys enter their freshman seasons convinced and strong believers in the system and program. No needing to sell them on it. When the Jr program wins 5 or 6 championships out 7 championship games year in and year out, they are doing something right down in the jr programs.

On Eric Block, I thought he was 14 when he was QBing that DLS game.

[Fleeman93]

Oh where to start.

[Fleeman93]

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Here are the problems I see for Bellevue for this game (in order):

1. No answer for Katy's offense. I don't think Bellevue is going to see anything they can't handle here.

I think you are in for a huge surprise with this line of thinking.

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I've seen a lot of film on Katy's offense so what am I missing? It looks like a veer with zone blocking to me. Is that considered a pretty complicated offense? Do you think Bellevue hasn't seen this before?

The main thing Katy is going to want to do is pound the ball straight at you. If Katy can't pound the ball straight at you then our chances of winning go down a great deal. In 2007 Katy had the talent to flip flop it and use the pass to open the run and it looks like they will have the same kind of talent this year. I doubt Katy's offense will be clicking on all cylinders by the Bellevue game but I think they will have plenty enough to score in the high 30's to low 40's from what I have seen on film.

I don't think I've seen a game where Katy scored 30 plus points on a great defense. Has it happened?

The problem with looking at it your way is that Bellevue hasn't played a defense as good as say Wylie in the last two years. Yes Katy only scored 17 but that was toward a 14 point win while holding Wylie to 30+ under their season average. Give me the last team Bellevue played that you think had a defense anywhere close to as good as Wylie, Cinco Ranch, Woodlands, or North Shore.



..

[Fleeman93]

Ok, I'm done talking smack. I just couldn't resist. but I'm straight up about our RBs.:ninja:

HA HA! You have no idea ! You make alot of bold statements about why Katy will prevail and then you ask a question like this??? with 106 or more pages (OK so 30 of them is about your weather) on Bellevue in this thread you haven't learned anything yet. Last year Bellevue had fantastic running backs that carried them throughout the season. The RB that got all the attention last year was out with injuries for much of the season and the junior RBs lead the way. All 4 of those guys are seniors this year and they are bigger and faster then last year.

Peter Nugyen was the star of the offense and he was a senior. You can say whatever you want about the back coming up but they didn't put up his numbers.

[AriSTRONG22]

So Katy doesn't start clicking until week 4 or 5? Then North Shore and Woodlands beat a non-clicking Katy team in those games last year? What happened to the clicker thing against Cinco Ranch? I'm just wondering since you said and someone else said in another post that Katy doesn't start clicking until week 3 or 4. So that means North Shore or Woodlands beat a clickerless Katy.

I have no doubt that Katy will click starting in week 0. If I understand correctly, North Shore and Woodlands wont stand a chance against a clicking Katy. In fact, I am saying Katy 41-North Shore 3 and Katy 48-Woodlands 0 (the revenge X factor)

[Fleeman93]

Wylie's defense last year looked pretty great to me.

Do you think they looked better than the Katy defense that held Wylie's high powered offense to 30+ under their season average? Oh by the way, Katy returns a whole lot of that defense.

[Wypirates03]

Do you think they looked better than the Katy defense that held Wylie's high powered offense to 30+ under their season average? Oh by the way, Katy returns a whole lot of that defense.

All this Wylie talk is making me feel like Wylie is the new SLC. :D

I give all the credit to Katy's defense. I'm not even going to say Wylie had a bad offensive game... it was beyond horrible. Why? Because Katy knew where to apply the pressure. That's the Katy coaching staffs strong suit. They can gameplan like nobodies business. They had Monk, Knott, and most of the offensive line guessing as to what the defense was going to do. It should have been Katy's defense trying to guess what the Wylie offense was going to do. Katy's defense controlled the game... Wylie was not used to that.

I don't know why I quoted your post... but, here's my 2 cents in regards to Wylie's offense versus Katy's defense.

That's enough Wylie vs. Katy talk for me though. I'm about to bust a tear. My tearducts haven't been put to work in quite some time. This is going to feel weird.

[Wypirates03]

Katy beat a very good Wylie football team 17 to 3 for the 5A title last
season.

Wylie only lost to two very good teams in Allen 31 to 28, and Plano 38 to
31.

Allen ended the season ranked #1 Texas and #5 National. Sounds like
Katy and Allen would have been one hell of a game.

I have been around High School football in Washington for the past
thirty years and the overall competition is not even close to the State
of Texas.

Just review the top 25 Rankings for Texas 5A this upcoming season IMO
Bellevue and Skyline would both have a very tough time being ranked
among these schools.

Not ranking on Bellevue or Washington high school football but the
week to week competition in Texas is far superior.

Bellevue has a great program by Washington State standards and they
do run the Wing T to near perfection. I have no doubt that the kids
work as hard as the Katy athletes and buy into the Bellevue way
120%.

Another point to bring up in regards to the strength of Wylie last year is that both of their losses were on the road.

[228boot@9]

Yeah Peter was a stud last year, but every single year Bellevue has backs that just roll up yards, and everyone asks, what are they going to do next year??? They reload, Bellevue has never had problems with that. When Scott Monroe graduated people said what are they gonna do? When Justin Johnson left same thing. Every year its the same thing, Hasty is gone now what? They reload, plain and simple, much like Katy must. They have some backs coming up that are just plain scary, right ARIStrong? :D:notworthy:D

[228boot@9]

Hey, what's up 228! Good seeing you! I had been following some of your posts and figured out who you are. I also suspect I know who one of the other Bellevue posters are.

If anyone knows anything about Bellevue football, it's going to be 228. I guarantee he aint guessing or opinionating about Bellevue. He knows.

You were talking about the jr football program. No doubt fantastic coaching and they truly prepare the boys Bellevue football. The boys enter their freshman seasons convinced and strong believers in the system and program. No needing to sell them on it. When the Jr program wins 5 or 6 championships out 7 championship games year in and year out, they are doing something right down in the jr programs.

On Eric Block, I thought he was 14 when he was QBing that DLS game.
Yeah your right I believe he was 14, talk about a player, man that dude was crazy.

[228boot@9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdS-VbHDMwI

[AriSTRONG22]

Yeah Peter was a stud last year, but every single year Bellevue has backs that just roll up yards, and everyone asks, what are they going to do next year??? They reload, Bellevue has never had problems with that. When Scott Monroe graduated people said what are they gonna do? When Justin Johnson left same thing. Every year its the same thing, Hasty is gone now what? They reload, plain and simple, much like Katy must. They have some backs coming up that are just plain scary, right ARIStrong? :D:notworthy:D

Absolutely scary...and there is a fleet of them coming up! I personally know one freshman RB who can't wait to get into the hands of the Bellevue coaches and learn, learn, learn and learn from the RBs in this year's varsity squad. I know the other freshman RBs (Jones and Nguyen) are hungry to get rollin...and they are all very teachable too :). Aside from the great coaches, the varsity players have tremendous influence and are tremendously respected by the freshman. Looking forward to this season.

[Dynastybegan86]

Yep and you guys have no idea what Katy is in for. Bellevue runs the Wing like nobody you have ever seen, Katy is nothing Bellevue has not seen. Bellevue returns Most of the starters from last year, especially line and backfield. Bellevue has no depth??? Most of the third string guys would be starters in any other program, including the Texas teams. Every out of state team bellevue has played says the same thing, "Oh we have seen the wing t before, we play disciplined defense, we play gap control defense. Bellevue is a very good defensive team, most of their opponents scored in the fourth quarter on the second or third string players. The reason they have players going both ways is that they CAN. You will not find a better conditioned football team than bellevue, PERIOD! You will not find a stronger football team than Bellevue. Im gonna say it right now, if Katy puts up more than 21 on Bellevue I will be shocked. Honest to god Shocked, and thats after watching every bit of film I could on Katy. Good team? Absolutely, one of the best. Good enough??? We shall see. By the way, how do you guys like your crow cooked???

Care to revise your bogus statements! because it doesn't look to me that the "third" stringers could even sniff the field in Texas! If they are so great that they could "start" anywhere else, then explain to me how they allowed a spent and worn out 1st string offense to score on the fresh and rested "3rd" stringers of Bellevue?? Quit trying to talk smack about Katy. Stick to the PNW where competition seems pretty weak, just my opinion.

Also can you show us where Bellevue scored 30+ points against a great defense? In my estimation most great defenses don't give up 30+ points very often, it happens sure, but if it happened regularly then that D wouldn't be considered great!
Wylie did have a great D....but....

[AriSTRONG22]

Care to revise your bogus statements! because it doesn't look to me that the "third" stringers could even sniff the field in Texas! If they are so great that they could "start" anywhere else, then explain to me how they allowed a spent and worn out 1st string offense to score on the fresh and rested "3rd" stringers of Bellevue?? Quit trying to talk smack about Katy. Stick to the PNW where competition seems pretty weak, just my opinion.

Also can you show us where Bellevue scored 30+ points against a great defense? In my estimation most great defenses don't give up 30+ points very often, it happens sure, but if it happened regularly then that D wouldn't be considered great!
Wylie did have a great D....but....

But talking smack about Bellevue is OK?????

[Dynastybegan86]

But talking smack about Bellevue is OK?????

DUH! The board is 5A TEXAS FOOTBALL :D

There's been plenty of it for sure, but that guy just seems to read the Katy fans' posts and then reverse them to be Bellevue! Not creative or original.

This will be a great game....and I've said that more than once!

[Bellevue Pride]

HA HA! You have no idea ! You make alot of bold statements about why Katy will prevail and then you ask a question like this??? with 106 or more pages (OK so 30 of them is about your weather) on Bellevue in this thread you haven't learned anything yet. Last year Bellevue had fantastic running backs that carried them throughout the season. The RB that got all the attention last year was out with injuries for much of the season and the junior RBs lead the way. All 4 of those guys are seniors this year and they are bigger and faster then last year.

Peter Nugyen was the star of the offense and he was a senior. You can say whatever you want about the back coming up but they didn't put up his numbers.

Peter is a super stud, no doubt about it. But keep in mind that he got 3x as many touches as the other backs did so he should have the numbers that he does. If you look at the numbers that the other backs rolled up you'll see that their averages are on par with Peter's (maybe a little lower but close enough). When Peter was out injured the other guys stepped up big time. And that's what Bellevue football is all about. That's what's been happening every year when a starter goes down. 2nd and 3rd string fill the void without a hiccup.

[F18mustang]

This thread is one helluva pissing contest.....

[steeler 01]

Also can you show us where Bellevue scored 30+ points against a great defense? In my estimation most great defenses don't give up 30+ points very often, it happens sure, but if it happened regularly then that D wouldn't be considered great!
Wylie did have a great D....but....

Wylie gave up 30 points 3 times last year and 20+ 6 times and you consider them great.:rolleyes: Great defenses don't allow opposition to average 19.68 PPG. Thats almost 20 PPG. Hell without their shutout of pathetic Boyd. They allowed teams to average 21 PPG. Thats not a defense I would call GREAT.

[B Proud]

..1. No answer for Katy's offense. I don't think Bellevue is going to see anything they can't handle here.

I think you are in for a huge surprise with this line of thinking.



I've seen a lot of film on Katy's offense so what am I missing? It looks like a veer with zone blocking to me. Is that considered a pretty complicated offense? Do you think Bellevue hasn't seen this before?

The main thing Katy is going to want to do is pound the ball straight at you. If Katy can't pound the ball straight at you then our chances of winning go down a great deal. In 2007 Katy had the talent to flip flop it and use the pass to open the run and it looks like they will have the same kind of talent this year. I doubt Katy's offense will be clicking on all cylinders by the Bellevue game but I think they will have plenty enough to score in the high 30's to low 40's from what I have seen on film.

I don't think I've seen a game where Katy scored 30 plus points on a great defense. Has it happened?

The problem with looking at it your way is that Bellevue hasn't played a defense as good as say Wylie in the last two years. Yes Katy only scored 17 but that was toward a 14 point win while holding Wylie to 30+ under their season average. Give me the last team Bellevue played that you think had a defense anywhere close to as good as Wylie, Cinco Ranch, Woodlands, or North Shore.


I think we're just going to have to disagree on this one. I don't know of a top 50 nationally ranked team that Katy has scored in the high 30's or low 40's on. I know Bellevue has scored more than 30 points against every OOS opponent they have faced. All of those teams thought they had great defense until they played Bellevue.

[F18mustang]

I think we're just going to have to disagree on this one. I don't know of a top 50 nationally ranked team that Katy has scored in the high 30's or low 40's on. I know Bellevue has scored more than 30 points against every OOS opponent they have faced. All of those teams thought they had great defense until they played Bellevue.

Like I said, pissing contest....

[su4c]

Like I said, pissing contest....

O/U 125 pages by Sunday?

[F18mustang]

O/U 125 pages by Sunday?

Maybe 50, all the cool kids have theirs set to 50 posts/page. ;)

[su4c]

Maybe 50, all the cool kids have theirs set to 50 posts/page. ;)

:rolleyes:

Triple digit threads are more exciting.

[228boot@9]

Care to revise your bogus statements! because it doesn't look to me that the "third" stringers could even sniff the field in Texas! If they are so great that they could "start" anywhere else, then explain to me how they allowed a spent and worn out 1st string offense to score on the fresh and rested "3rd" stringers of Bellevue?? Quit trying to talk smack about Katy. Stick to the PNW where competition seems pretty weak, just my opinion.

Also can you show us where Bellevue scored 30+ points against a great defense? In my estimation most great defenses don't give up 30+ points very often, it happens sure, but if it happened regularly then that D wouldn't be considered great!
Wylie did have a great D....but....
Bogus statements? Every team Bellevue has faced that was highly ranked got run all over-De la Salle, Long beach Poly, California high, all solid teams. Do they have to play someone from the NFL for it to be considered a great defense? Long Beach had several D1 recuits and according to the experts the best recieving corps and secondary in the country, and they couldnt do squat. But I guess they just werent any good, being that bellevue put up more than 30 on them, yeah they just werent that good.:rolleyes: And another thing, those second and third stringers were freshman and sophmores, so yeah these teams managed to put up one score on average in a quarter and a half of play. Most teams would take that ratio. Considering Bellevue is usually sitting its starters a few minutes into the third quarter, not bad at all.

[cougmantx]

This thread is one helluva pissing contest.....

I bet mine is bigger than yours...:eek:

[cougmantx]

So Katy doesn't start clicking until week 4 or 5? Then North Shore and Woodlands beat a non-clicking Katy team in those games last year? What happened to the clicker thing against Cinco Ranch? I'm just wondering since you said and someone else said in another post that Katy doesn't start clicking until week 3 or 4. So that means North Shore or Woodlands beat a clickerless Katy.

I have no doubt that Katy will click starting in week 0. If I understand correctly, North Shore and Woodlands wont stand a chance against a clicking Katy. In fact, I am saying Katy 41-North Shore 3 and Katy 48-Woodlands 0 (the revenge X factor)

Clicking in Washington is one thing...clincking in Texas is another...:notworthy

I take Katy by at least 21....

[ktCarl]

Lot of smacking for the 3rd game of the season. I think North Shore is a more formidable opponent than Bellevue and no one is talking Woodlands either.

Katy 28
Bellevue 7

:D


I couldn't resist.

[Pool Man]

So Katy doesn't start clicking until week 4 or 5? Then North Shore and Woodlands beat a non-clicking Katy team in those games last year? What happened to the clicker thing against Cinco Ranch? I'm just wondering since you said and someone else said in another post that Katy doesn't start clicking until week 3 or 4. So that means North Shore or Woodlands beat a clickerless Katy.

I have no doubt that Katy will click starting in week 0. If I understand correctly, North Shore and Woodlands wont stand a chance against a clicking Katy. In fact, I am saying Katy 41-North Shore 3 and Katy 48-Woodlands 0 (the revenge X factor)

The offense that Katy runs is not some simple Mickey Mouse scheme that you just pick up a ball, have a practice and you're good. It takes some time to get in a groove. I'll let you guys go back and read all the posts where people seconded guessed Katy last year because of those three losses, but you'll need to know that those losses were to VERY good football teams. I don't know why people don't recognize this. Katy probably had the youngest and most inexperienced team in the last 12 years going into last season. You might want to quit justifying your position by pointing to Katy's losses and start recognizing the fact that despite those losses Katy overcame them and won a state championship. It should show you the character of this program.

[Pool Man]

Lot of smacking for the 3rd game of the season. I think North Shore is a more formidable opponent than Bellevue and no one is talking Woodlands either.

Katy 28
Bellevue 7

:D


I couldn't resist.

Agreed. I think NS and the Woodlands will be tougher games. I can't find anything stellar about their defense, so I'm going to say Katy hangs 40+ on them.

[E-Vol-ution]

Bellevue is the real deal, not to be underestimated. Katy is as advertised (perhaps moreso because of the volume of posters here). That being said, both teams really should expect a defensive battle more than an offensive one. It will be more of a three yards and cloud of dust game and to think either team will pile up points is a misnomer. The trench war will be the deciding factor, heat and home crowd vital elements........Katy by no more than 10.
Bogus statements? Every team Bellevue has faced that was highly ranked got run all over-De la Salle, Long beach Poly, California high, all solid teams. Do they have to play someone from the NFL for it to be considered a great defense? Long Beach had several D1 recuits and according to the experts the best recieving corps and secondary in the country, and they couldnt do squat. But I guess they just werent any good, being that bellevue put up more than 30 on them, yeah they just werent that good.:rolleyes: And another thing, those second and third stringers were freshman and sophmores, so yeah these teams managed to put up one score on average in a quarter and a half of play. Most teams would take that ratio. Considering Bellevue is usually sitting its starters a few minutes into the third quarter, not bad at all.

[Dynastybegan86]

Bogus statements? Every team Bellevue has faced that was highly ranked got run all over-De la Salle, Long beach Poly, California high, all solid teams. Do they have to play someone from the NFL for it to be considered a great defense? Long Beach had several D1 recuits and according to the experts the best recieving corps and secondary in the country, and they couldnt do squat. But I guess they just werent any good, being that bellevue put up more than 30 on them, yeah they just werent that good.:rolleyes: And another thing, those second and third stringers were freshman and sophmores, so yeah these teams managed to put up one score on average in a quarter and a half of play. Most teams would take that ratio. Considering Bellevue is usually sitting its starters a few minutes into the third quarter, not bad at all.

Oh, ok my bad!

[Miss Kitty]

So Katy doesn't start clicking until week 4 or 5? Then North Shore and Woodlands beat a non-clicking Katy team in those games last year? What happened to the clicker thing against Cinco Ranch? I'm just wondering since you said and someone else said in another post that Katy doesn't start clicking until week 3 or 4. So that means North Shore or Woodlands beat a clickerless Katy.

I have no doubt that Katy will click starting in week 0. If I understand correctly, North Shore and Woodlands wont stand a chance against a clicking Katy. In fact, I am saying Katy 41-North Shore 3 and Katy 48-Woodlands 0 (the revenge X factor)

Yes that would be correct. I don't think you will find one Katy poster who would say we were "clicking" at that Woodlands game. And certainly not firing on all pins at the North Shore game, but that is how the game goes. Any team can have a bad game on any given day. Last year, the Katy coaches had to find the right gel with the young team they had, and they did a fine job IMO.

[caveman]

Yes that would be correct. I don't think you will find one Katy poster who would say we were "clicking" at that Woodlands game. And certainly not firing on all pins at the North Shore game, but that is how the game goes. Any team can have a bad game on any given day. Last year, the Katy coaches had to find the right gel with the young team they had, and they did a fine job IMO.
I remember hearing Coach at the booster club meeting after the Woodland's loss, "It's time for these boys to grow up."

[TxDrake]

Or "If we're going to be THIS bad, we're going to be this bad MY way"

Good to see you again

[Fleeman93]

Temp comparison for the next couple of days between Bellevue and Katy. Yes I know it is only June but it gives you an idea:

Bellevue:

Wednesday Hi 73 Low 57
Thursday Hi 69 Low 55
Friday Hi 72 Low 53
Saturday Hi 69 Low 51
Sunday Hi 67 Low 50
Monday Hi 70 Low 47


Katy:

Wednesday Hi 94 Low 73
Thursday Hi 96 Low 73
Friday Hi 96 Low 73
Saturday Hi 96 Low 73
Sunday Hi 96 Low 73
Monday Hi 96 Low 74

This is per the weather program on my Ipod Touch. Pretty sure there will be the same type of differences in September also.

[Wypirates03]

Wylie gave up 30 points 3 times last year and 20+ 6 times and you consider them great.:rolleyes: Great defenses don't allow opposition to average 19.68 PPG. Thats almost 20 PPG. Hell without their shutout of pathetic Boyd. They allowed teams to average 21 PPG. Thats not a defense I would call GREAT.

Look at what the scores were. Wylie was taking starters out early in the 3rd quarter/early 4th in some games.

Wylie was up 44-7 at halftime versus Mesquite Horn - game ended 60-21.

Wylie was up 35-13 at halftime versus Jesuit

Wylie was up 34- 14 against Rowlett

Wylie beat boyd 44-0 holding them to .5 yards per rush. A team that had a QB that rushed for over 1000 yards on the season. Wylie held that QB to -13 yards rushing and 146 yards passing.

Wylie beat Irving 45-7. Score was 45-0 before Irving finally scored.

In the 3rd round of the playoffs, Wylie held Bowie to 20 total points and was up 43-13 before Bowie scored their last touchdown late in the game.

Wylie only gave up 7 points to Copperas Cove in the 5TH round - semifinals.

Both the games Wylie lost, by a combined 10 points were to ranked teams that were ranked higher than them in the state at the time.

[E-Vol-ution]

That score was 14-13 in the third quarter against Bowie. Wylie scored again and we were stopped on that non-interference call. Quite a few calls to be honest. Don't paint the game different. We were trading points and advancing the entrie game.
Let's see how you do this year coming up. Sure you won and deserved to.......but unlike Wylie, we haven't played our best ball yet (your best team ever was last year). Get back to me ......you should still make the playoffs. Look at what the scores were. Wylie was taking starters out early in the 3rd quarter/early 4th in some games.

Wylie was up 44-7 at halftime versus Mesquite Horn - game ended 60-21.

Wylie was up 35-13 at halftime versus Jesuit

Wylie was up 34- 14 against Rowlett

Wylie beat boyd 44-0 holding them to .5 yards per rush. A team that had a QB that rushed for over 1000 yards on the season. Wylie held that QB to -13 yards rushing and 146 yards passing.

Wylie beat Irving 45-7. Score was 45-0 before Irving finally scored.

In the 3rd round of the playoffs, Wylie held Bowie to 20 total points and was up 43-13 before Bowie scored their last touchdown late in the game.

Wylie only gave up 7 points to Copperas Cove in the 5TH round - semifinals.

Both the games Wylie lost, by a combined 10 points were to ranked teams that were ranked higher than them in the state at the time.

[Wypirates03]

That score was 14-13 in the third quarter against Bowie. Wylie scored again and we were stopped on that non-interference call. Quite a few calls to be honest. Don't paint the game different. We were trading points and advancing the entrie game.
Let's see how you do this year coming up. Sure you won and deserved to.......but unlike Wylie, we haven't played our best ball yet (your best team ever was last year). Get back to me ......you should still make the playoffs.

go back and look at the scores. You'll see it was 43-13 at one point. My point is still valid. I wasn't dogging on Bowie at all. I was clearly stating that we held a really good offense to 20 total, and that last score was late in the game.

[E-Vol-ution]

Your defense scored late in the game......get it right.go back and look at the scores. You'll see it was 43-13 at one point. My point is still valid. I wasn't dogging on Bowie at all. I was clearly stating that we held a really good offense to 20 total, and that last score was late in the game.

[Wypirates03]

Your defense scored late in the game......get it right.

Yeah, that too. That's not even my point... Ok, so it was 36 - 13 then... same difference.

WYL - Nikita Whitlock 8 blocked punt return (Ohannessian kick)

ABOW - Ronnie Thomas 4 run (Valadez kick)

Bowie scored after that. My point is that Wylie's defense was good... So, scoring on defense helps my point. Thank you.

[jc84chill]

Wylie gave up 30 points 3 times last year and 20+ 6 times and you consider them great.:rolleyes: Great defenses don't allow opposition to average 19.68 PPG. Thats almost 20 PPG. Hell without their shutout of pathetic Boyd. They allowed teams to average 21 PPG. Thats not a defense I would call GREAT.

PAPG hardly tells the whole story of how good a defense is. There are a lot of reasons for this, but most notably missing from that raw number is any strength of schedule or strength of the opponents offenses component. We've taken these things into account in our adjusted scoring defense stat and as you can see, Wylie's 2008 PAPG is very misleading.

Adjusted Scoring Defense (Rank): - 9.603 (25)
Points Against Per Game (Rank): 21.0 (65)

Now like WyPirates03 mentioned, take out several touchdowns that occured in the midst of blowouts and they probably would have ranked in the 10-15 range as far as defenses in the state.

[E-Vol-ution]

Here's the stats..........several blown scoring opportunities and Knott played great.
http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/schoolinfo.htm?propertyId=1&infoType=boxScore&schoolId=5&sportId=3&eventId=171460

Yeah, that too. That's not even my point... Ok, so it was 36 - 13 then... same difference.

WYL - Nikita Whitlock 8 blocked punt return (Ohannessian kick)

ABOW - Ronnie Thomas 4 run (Valadez kick)

Bowie scored after that. My point is that Wylie's defense was good... So, scoring on defense helps my point. Thank you.

[Wypirates03]

Here's the stats..........several blown scoring opportunities and Knott played great.
http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/schoolinfo.htm?propertyId=1&infoType=boxScore&schoolId=5&sportId=3&eventId=171460

I had already looked at the stats sir, My point is that Wylie held you guys to 20 points... That's my only point. Not saying anything about calls. Not saying anything about "blow opportunities." Plus, Wylie has NEVER been known to have a good pass defense. It's always been a run stop defense.

[E-Vol-ution]

It was about defense. The stats show it from an unbiased point.I had already looked at the stats sir, My point is that Wylie held you guys to 20 points... That's my only point. Not saying anything about calls. Not saying anything about "blow opportunities."

[Wypirates03]

It was about defense. The stats show it from an unbiased point.

You guys kept going deep... eventually you're going to haul in a few passes and build the stats.

[E-Vol-ution]

You gave that up clogging the corners for the run. That 35 yard timing pass is a reality. The whole game.You guys kept going deep... eventually you're going to haul in a few passes and build the stats.

[Wypirates03]

You gave that up clogging the corners for the run. That 35 yard timing pass is a reality. The whole game.

That's my point! You guys had over 300 yards passing, and still only scored 20 points.

[E-Vol-ution]

Just the opposite...take away the three big plays for Wylie and who's defense played better?That's my point! You guys had over 300 yards passing, and still only scored 20 points.