Katy vs. Bellevue, WA - Clash of Champions II

[Bellevue Pride]

Sad to say that this was a terrible game for Bellevue. I can give a dozen reasons why but quite frankly they have no excuse.

Grant was fast off the ball on both sides of the line. Plain and simple.
Bellevue was making mistakes all night. Stood toe to toe throughout first half but the mistakes caught up to them.

Injuries going into the game: of the three starting running backs Nguyen, Levine and Fields, Nguyen and Fields didn't play. Levine was injured in Katy but played and came out in the 4th qtr after being injured again. His status is unknown at this time but it looked like he was in pain throughout the game.

Connor Abramsom their starting center was also on the DL and their back-up center had a hard time getting clean snaps in the QBs hands. there were a number of bobbled snaps and fumbles.

Grant definitely played better but also played very dirty. They were street thugs with alot of punching and extra forceful shoving in the neck and back of the heads of players while in the pile-ups and after the whistle blew the play dead. Their O-line held more often then not and the refs finally started throwing flags on them in the 4th qtr. Bellevue wasn't all that innocent either (sad to say).

But Bellevue played sloppy and our boys need to get back to fundamentals if they want to salvage this season

[tigerowl06]

Sad to say that this was a terrible game for Bellevue. I can give a dozen reasons why but quite frankly they have no excuse.

Grant was fast off the ball on both sides of the line. Plain and simple.
Bellevue was making mistakes all night. Stood toe to toe throughout first half but the mistakes caught up to them.

Injuries going into the game: of the three starting running backs Nguyen, Levine and Fields, Nguyen and Fields didn't play. Levine was injured in Katy but played and came out in the 4th qtr after being injured again. His status is unknown at this time but it looked like he was in pain throughout the game.

Connor Abramsom their starting center was also on the DL and their back-up center had a hard time getting clean snaps in the QBs hands. there were a number of bobbled snaps and fumbles.

Grant definitely played better but also played very dirty. They were street thugs with alot of punching and extra forceful shoving in the neck and back of the heads of players while in the pile-ups and after the whistle blew the play dead. Their O-line held more often then not and the refs finally started throwing flags on them in the 4th qtr. Bellevue wasn't all that innocent either (sad to say).

But Bellevue played sloppy and our boys need to get back to fundamentals if they want to salvage this season

I think the team's ability to salvage the season is going to be a function of the toughness of their schedule in the near future and the resilience of their psyche. The article in the Bellevue Reporter listed their center as one of the injured players, so I wonder if that didn't have anything to do with the fumbled snaps. Your offense isn't overly reliant upon the athleticism of your running backs, but having 3 or 4 of them nicked up or absent is tough to deal with, I'm sure. All in all, the Katy game played a part in this one, too. Tough to argue otherwise, I think. And I'm sorry to hear that they lost their composure. They'll need it.

I sort of hate to bring this up again, because it's bound to be overused, but if you think you're off to a rough start, I have to tell you that you have no idea what a rough start looks like. There was N-O-T-H-I-N-G positive to be found in our loss to the Woodlands in 2008. We were done and looking down the barrel of an 0-4 or 0-5 start. Chin up, Wolverines.

[da hawaiian]

Grant sounds like it's salty again this year. Their HC is retired and on a $2500 year coaching salary. A really neat human interest story that would be right?

[Hitman49]

I think it says Grant is a defensive team, with a mediocre offense. Edison of Stockton the week before held them to 13 through three quarters. What does the shutout mean then?:D

Grant has not given up a point in 3 games! See post above about Bellevue injuries...

[tigerowl06]

Grant has not given up a point in 3 games! See post above about Bellevue injuries...

Bellevue needed a BYE after the Katy game. It was OK on the scoreboard, but it was a close to a debacle physically, a la Katy vs. John Tyler in '01 (Katy having the misfortune of being on the receiving end of that one).

Bellevue Pride - Do you know how good their next opponent is? That game's big, methinks, being in state. If they can post a convincing win and get healthy, then I think they recover.

[steeler 01]

Grant has not given up a point in 3 games! See post above about Bellevue injuries...
Grant has played some bottom feeder teams. Their only good competition is Granite Bay, and they won't face them till the playoffs.

Bellevue's HB's this year are far from elite. They don't have a player of the quality of Rosenberg, J.R. Hasty, Peter Nguyen, Thomas Zaffino, and the QB is not Eric Block.

[tigerowl06]

Grant has played some bottom feeder teams. Their only good competition is Granite Bay, and they won't face them till the playoffs.

Bellevue's HB's this year are far from elite. They don't have a player of the quality of Rosenberg, J.R. Hasty, Peter Nguyen, Thomas Zaffino, and the QB is not Eric Block.

I felt the same way when I saw them live. They're going to have to fool people to run consistently on them (how they had the success that they did against Katy), unless they're playing teams that don't tackle well, because their virtue is feistiness.

Nonetheless, they have three of their starters injured, and though they might not be as good as you're used to seeing, that doesn't mean that they aren't a lot better than whoever they have to replace them. In the game that they played against Katy, I swear I saw the same couple of linemen hobble off of the field, only to return, and then hobble off again. I'm going to guess that this is because their back-ups aren't very good. The situation could be similar at HB. They need to get healthy, ASAP.

[Patriot1]

Grant has played some bottom feeder teams. Their only good competition is Granite Bay, and they won't face them till the playoffs.

Bellevue's HB's this year are far from elite. They don't have a player of the quality of Rosenberg, J.R. Hasty, Peter Nguyen, Thomas Zaffino, and the QB is not Eric Block.

I think you are selling them short on your assesment. Last year when Peter Nguyen was out for 6 games with a bum knee it was the Younger Nguyen, Fields and Levine that carried that running game. I saw all three of those guys on numerous occassions bust runs of 30 yards plus. Just look at what David Nguyen and Freddie Levine did in the championship game against union. These kids were lucky to get 8-9 carries per game and all averaged 10 yards per carry. They were Bellevue's starters last year. As great as Peter Nguyen was, he contributed to just half their season while the other three played the whole season.

[steeler 01]

I think you are selling them short on your assesment. Last year when Peter Nguyen was out for 6 games with a bum knee it was the Younger Nguyen, Fields and Levine that carried that running game. I saw all three of those guys on numerous occassions bust runs of 30 yards plus. Just look at what David Nguyen and Freddie Levine did in the championship game against union. These kids were lucky to get 8-9 carries per game and all averaged 10 yards per carry. They were Bellevue's starters last year. As great as Peter Nguyen was, he contributed to just half their season while the other three played the whole season.

I've watched them, and the guys I mentioned, and there's a drop off.


This is the stats of those HB's against one of the best defenses they faced last year with out Peter.

vs Liberty

Bellevue Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
Eric Nelson 18 92 5.11 19 1
Will Fields 10 37 3.70 12 0
Freddie Levine 7 23 3.29 6 0
Tommy Castle 5 16 3.20 8 0
Jamal Atofau 4 9 2.25 9 0


Same team with Peter in the playoffs.

Bellevue Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
Peter Nguyen 26 270 10.38 38 3
Will Fields 9 76 8.44 17 1 Nguyen's presence helped him
Jamal Atofau 4 26 6.50 10 1
Tommy Castle 1 21 21.00 21 0
Sean Coley 2 18 9.00 18 0
David Nguyen 2 13 6.50 8 0
Freddie Levine 4 4 1.00 3 0
Eric Nelson 1 2 2.00 2 0

[tigerowl06]

I've watched them, and the guys I mentioned, and there's a drop off.


This is the stats of those HB's against one of the best defenses they faced last year with out Peter.

vs Liberty

Bellevue Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
Eric Nelson 18 92 5.11 19 1
Will Fields 10 37 3.70 12 0
Freddie Levine 7 23 3.29 6 0
Tommy Castle 5 16 3.20 8 0
Jamal Atofau 4 9 2.25 9 0


Same team with Peter in the playoffs.

Bellevue Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
Peter Nguyen 26 270 10.38 38 3
Will Fields 9 76 8.44 17 1 Nguyen's presence helped him
Jamal Atofau 4 26 6.50 10 1
Tommy Castle 1 21 21.00 21 0
Sean Coley 2 18 9.00 18 0
David Nguyen 2 13 6.50 8 0
Freddie Levine 4 4 1.00 3 0
Eric Nelson 1 2 2.00 2 0

So do you call Peter "elite"? How do you define "elite"? From what I know, the best back Bellevue has had would be Hasty, whose story sounds sort of like James Aston's from Katy High. James was the MVP from the '03 state game, went to Ohio State, but transferred (a couple of times) and eventually landed at Sam Houston, where he's currently starting. In high school, he was a pretty dominant player who could be trusted with A LOT of carries in Katy's no-nonsense offense. Whether or not that is "elite" is in the eye of the beholder.

[Patriot1]

I've watched them, and the guys I mentioned, and there's a drop off.


This is the stats of those HB's against one of the best defenses they faced last year with out Peter.

vs Liberty

Bellevue Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
Eric Nelson 18 92 5.11 19 1
Will Fields 10 37 3.70 12 0
Freddie Levine 7 23 3.29 6 0
Tommy Castle 5 16 3.20 8 0
Jamal Atofau 4 9 2.25 9 0


Same team with Peter in the playoffs.

Bellevue Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
Peter Nguyen 26 270 10.38 38 3
Will Fields 9 76 8.44 17 1 Nguyen's presence helped him
Jamal Atofau 4 26 6.50 10 1
Tommy Castle 1 21 21.00 21 0
Sean Coley 2 18 9.00 18 0
David Nguyen 2 13 6.50 8 0
Freddie Levine 4 4 1.00 3 0
Eric Nelson 1 2 2.00 2 0

Very nice and so disingenuine to cherry pick two games that younger Nguyen and Levine had little production. I know for a fact that both those backs had half the carries then the Older Nguyen brother and each had over 700 total yards. Both average over 10 yards per carry as well. So picking out 2 of their lowest games is just so bush league on your part.

Now, all those other backs you mention also happened to have some of the best "O" lines opening up some pretty big holes for them. I guess that little detail escaped you as well.

[steeler 01]

Very nice and so disingenuine to cherry pick two games that younger Nguyen and Levine had little production. I know for a fact that both those backs had half the carries then the Older Nguyen brother and each had over 700 total yards. Both average over 10 yards per carry as well. So picking out 2 of their lowest games is just so bush league on your part.

Why would I pick games against sub par competition to show that the other backs aren't elite? Most people look good against bad competition.

Now, all those other backs you mention also happened to have some of the best "O" lines opening up some pretty big holes for them. I guess that little detail escaped you as well.
All HB's need good O-lines. Are you willing to put these HB's along side J. R. Hasty, Peter Nguyen, Thomas Zaffino, and Keith Rosenberg?

^^

[steeler 01]

So do you call Peter "elite"? How do you define "elite"? From what I know, the best back Bellevue has had would be Hasty, whose story sounds sort of like James Aston's from Katy High. James was the MVP from the '03 state game, went to Ohio State, but transferred (a couple of times) and eventually landed at Sam Houston, where he's currently starting. In high school, he was a pretty dominant player who could be trusted with A LOT of carries in Katy's no-nonsense offense. Whether or not that is "elite" is in the eye of the beholder.

I would call Peter an elite H.S. HB.

[tigerowl06]

I would call Peter an elite H.S. HB.

Fair. I would agree that the backs that Bellevue has now are not elite, even by that standard. I would describe them as "good".

[Patriot1]

^^

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by Patriot1 http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?p=1308379#post1308379)
Very nice and so disingenuine to cherry pick two games that younger Nguyen and Levine had little production. I know for a fact that both those backs had half the carries then the Older Nguyen brother and each had over 700 total yards. Both average over 10 yards per carry as well. So picking out 2 of their lowest games is just so bush league on your part.

Why would I pick games against sub par competition to show that the other backs aren't elite? Most people look good against bad competition.

Now, all those other backs you mention also happened to have some of the best "O" lines opening up some pretty big holes for them. I guess that little detail escaped you as well.
All HB's need good O-lines. Are you willing to put these HB's along side J. R. Hasty, Peter Nguyen, Thomas Zaffino, and Keith Rosenberg?
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
^^


So, I guess California High School was sub-par competition?<!-- / message -->

[steeler 01]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=alt2 style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset">Originally Posted by Patriot1 http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?p=1308379#post1308379)
Very nice and so disingenuine to cherry pick two games that younger Nguyen and Levine had little production. I know for a fact that both those backs had half the carries then the Older Nguyen brother and each had over 700 total yards. Both average over 10 yards per carry as well. So picking out 2 of their lowest games is just so bush league on your part.

Why would I pick games against sub par competition to show that the other backs aren't elite? Most people look good against bad competition.

Now, all those other backs you mention also happened to have some of the best "O" lines opening up some pretty big holes for them. I guess that little detail escaped you as well.
All HB's need good O-lines. Are you willing to put these HB's along side J. R. Hasty, Peter Nguyen, Thomas Zaffino, and Keith Rosenberg?
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
^^


So, I guess California High School was sub-par competition?<!-- / message -->

I think California was a little bit better than average. They were 7-5.


Here's the stats for that game.

Peter Nguyen 17 314 18.47 97 3
Freddie Levine 4 127 31.75 74
Jamal Atofau 2 65 32.50 68
David Nguyen 10 48 4.80 33 1
Joe Joe Connor 2 9 4.50 6 1
John Kanongataa 1 3 3.00 3
Tommy Castle 1 0 0.00 0 0

[NAVY FLIER]

I think California was a little bit better than average. They were 7-5.


Here's the stats for that game.

Peter Nguyen 17 314 18.47 97 3
Freddie Levine 4 127 31.75 74
Jamal Atofau 2 65 32.50 68
David Nguyen 10 48 4.80 33 1
Joe Joe Connor 2 9 4.50 6 1
John Kanongataa 1 3 3.00 3
Tommy Castle 1 0 0.00 0 0

I was able to catch the playoff game against Lindbergh and thought they were a stronger defense than what Liberty was able to field. I saw Levine get the rock at least a dozen times and he was pretty impressive pounding it up the middle. I think he ran for over 100 yds with his shortest carry about 5yds. He even jacked it up the middle for a TD.

He may not be what you call "elite", but he's a good all around RB that can hit his blocks, and has great afterburners to break a long one.

David Nguyen is alot like his brother and is another fiesty little guy.

Your "elite" runners like Hasty etc. didn't perform too "elite" at the next level did they?

[steeler 01]

I was able to catch the playoff game against Lindbergh and thought they were a stronger defense than what Liberty was able to field. I saw Levine get the rock at least a dozen times and he was pretty impressive pounding it up the middle. I think he ran for over 100 yds with his shortest carry about 5yds. He even jacked it up the middle for a TD.

He may not be what you call "elite", but he's a good all around RB that can hit his blocks, and has great afterburners to break a long one.

David Nguyen is alot like his brother and is another fiesty little guy.

Your "elite" runners like Hasty etc. didn't perform too "elite" at the next level did they?
Lingbergh and Liberty had one common opponent other than Bellevue, that team is Kennedy. Kennedy scored 17 on Liberty and 49 on Lindbergh.


When I say elite, I'm talking about the H.S. level. Tons of elite H.S. players don't perform at the next level, that doesn't take away from their H.S. success. Tons of college elite players don't perform at the Pro level. Does that take away from their College success?

[NAVY FLIER]

Lingbergh and Liberty had one common opponent other than Bellevue, that team is Kennedy. Kennedy scored 17 on Liberty and 49 on Lindbergh.


When I say elite, I'm talking about the H.S. level. Tons of elite H.S. players don't perform at the next level, that doesn't take away from their H.S. success. Tons of college elite players don't perform at the Pro level. Does that take away from their College success?

I don't see how you can come to a conclusion that the Lindbergh D is not as good as Libertys based on that example. One could easily conclude that Kennedy's Offense didn't show up for the Liberty game.
And yes, I agree that a persons' H.S. accomplishments should not be diminished just because they couldn't perform at the next level.

[steeler 01]

I don't see how you can come to a conclusion that the Lindbergh D is not as good as Libertys based on that example. One could easily conclude that Kennedy's Offense didn't show up for the Liberty game.
And yes, I agree that a persons' H.S. accomplishments should not be diminished just because they couldn't perform at the next level.

I don't know if Lindbergh's defense was better or not. All we have is that for comparison though. I never said one defense was better than the other.

[NAVY FLIER]

I don't know if Lindbergh's defense was better or not. All we have is that for comparison though. I never said one defense was better than the other.


I don't understand why you brought it up then. what's the Relavence to our whole discussion?

You implied that RBs like David Nguyen and Freddie Levine were a drop off from past Bellevue RBs and then you cherry picked two games with low #s to prove your statement. You defended those picks by saying you picked those games because they were against Liberty which was the only strong defensive team Bellevue went up against. I can tell you that Cal High, Bothell, Lindbergh were other strong defensive teams that Bellevue went up against. The only difference is that in the Lindbergh game Levine got the ball at least a dozen times and he made each of those carries count. In his other games he typically gets 4,5 maybe 6 touches? even in the Cal High game with 4 carries he still exploded for 100+ yards.

Now I know why the other posters don't take you seriously.

[steeler 01]

I don't understand why you brought it up then. what's the Relavence to our whole discussion?

You implied that RBs like David Nguyen and Freddie Levine were a drop off from past Bellevue RBs and then you cherry picked two games with low #s to prove your statement. You defended those picks by saying you picked those games because they were against Liberty which was the only strong defensive team Bellevue went up against. I can tell you that Cal High, Bothell, Lindbergh were other strong defensive teams that Bellevue went up against. The only difference is that in the Lindbergh game Levine got the ball at least a dozen times and he made each of those carries count. In his other games he typically gets 4,5 maybe 6 touches? even in the Cal High game with 4 carries he still exploded for 100+ yards.

Now I know why the other posters don't take you seriously.
I picked the Liberty game, because Peter didn't play in the first game, but he did play in the 2nd game. So its the easiest game to show his value, and how much better he is than the other backs. Liberty was ranked higher than Lindbergh in Washington.

I watched Cal High 3 times last year, and they were an above average team, with a an average defense. Their strength was the HB, and their offense would chew up the clock limiting possessions for the other teams. Which would cause low scoring games.

They don't take me seriously because I don't do this :notworthy to Texas football.

[steeler 01]

I don't see how you can come to a conclusion that the Lindbergh D is not as good as Libertys based on that example. One could easily conclude that Kennedy's Offense didn't show up for the Liberty game.
And yes, I agree that a persons' H.S. accomplishments should not be diminished just because they couldn't perform at the next level.

If you agree, then why did you bring up his college career?

[caveman]

http://www.sacbee.com/preps/story/2196809.html

Don't know if this article link has been posted yet, but from a Sacramento pov, Bellevue didn't have much going them last weekend. Wondering if that Katy game has some navel gazing. Plus the loss of Nguyen, their top back.:confused:

[steeler 01]

http://www.sacbee.com/preps/story/2196809.html

Don't know if this article link has been posted yet, but from a Sacramento pov, Bellevue didn't have much going them last weekend. Wondering if that Katy game has some navel gazing. Plus the loss of Nguyen, their top back.:confused:

Grant returned one starter on defense. Viliami Moala was an all state defensive tackle as a soph, and will be one of the top DT's next year in the country.

[caveman]

Grant returned one starter on defense. Viliami Moala was an all state defensive tackle as a soph, and will be one of the top DT's next year in the country.
Steeler tell me about Grant. Map looks like suburban/urban area off downtown? Is it a regional ("Unified" what does that mean) consolidated campus? Their coach has been their 19 seasons; is that why they are having some good years? I may have missed them, but have not seen them in national polls. Bellevue could not generate much from them.

[steeler 01]

Steeler tell me about Grant. Map looks like suburban/urban area off downtown? Is it a regional ("Unified" what does that mean) consolidated campus? Their coach has been their 19 seasons; is that why they are having some good years? I may have missed them, but have not seen them in national polls. Bellevue could not generate much from them.

They're in the ghetto. I don't go to Sacramento.

Grant is an athletic team. They're a lot like Poly. Their 06 team is the best team they've ever had, but they didn't get chosen to play in the state bowl game, because DLS was undefeated, and carried their reputation. They might have been the best team in the state of Cali that year, but their section being so weak, and Grant having never beaten an elite team in Cali cost them. This team didn't get the credit they deserved. The 06 team had Christian Tupou(SC DT that rotates), Tim Lang(Fresno State), Devan Cunningham(Starting OG for Fresno State), Marselius Williams(D.J. Williams cousiin, didn't go to a division 1 because of grades.), Jevon Stallworth(Fresno State) and a couple of others I can't recall. Now that they beat Poly in the Open division game last year, people take them seriously. They have only one team in their section that will give them a game, and that team is Granite Bay. Every other team should get beaten pretty easily. Grant has always had very good teams, but have been overlooked, because of the section they're in.

[Hitman49]

I picked the Liberty game, because Peter didn't play in the first game, but he did play in the 2nd game. So its the easiest game to show his value, and how much better he is than the other backs. Liberty was ranked higher than Lindbergh in Washington.

I watched Cal High 3 times last year, and they were an above average team, with a an average defense. Their strength was the HB, and their offense would chew up the clock limiting possessions for the other teams. Which would cause low scoring games.

They don't take me seriously because I don't do this :notworthy to Texas football.

Yeah and we sure the hell don't :notworthy:notworthy to California football!!

I never thought Bellevue would beat Grant in the first place and told you that back in the summer. Bellevue did not have much if any depth, so losing several key players did hurt them against Grant.

[steeler 01]

Yeah and we sure the hell don't :notworthy:notworthy to California football!!

I never thought Bellevue would beat Grant in the first place and told you that back in the summer. Bellevue did not have much if any depth, so losing several key players did hurt them against Grant.

Grant returned 1 starter on defense and 4 on offense, and have never had great back to back seasons. So with the number of returning starters back this year, I wasn't about to go out on a limb, and rank them highly.

[mapv281]

Grant returned 1 starter on defense and 4 on offense, and have never had great back to back seasons. So with the number of returning starters back this year, I wasn't about to go out on a limb, and rank them highly.

blah blah blah

Texas FB >>>>>>>>>> CA FB

Katy Tigers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grant Pacers

The coach said it was the best team they've ever faced, Katy > DLS, Katy > Long Beach Poly. The BEST, believe that!

[caveman]

They're in the ghetto. I don't go to Sacramento.

Grant is an athletic team. They're a lot like Poly. Their 06 team is the best team they've ever had, but they didn't get chosen to play in the state bowl game, because DLS was undefeated, and carried their reputation. They might have been the best team in the state of Cali that year, but their section being so weak, and Grant having never beaten an elite team in Cali cost them. This team didn't get the credit they deserved. The 06 team had Christian Tupou(SC DT that rotates), Tim Lang(Fresno State), Devan Cunningham(Starting OG for Fresno State), Marselius Williams(D.J. Williams cousiin, didn't go to a division 1 because of grades.), Jevon Stallworth(Fresno State) and a couple of others I can't recall. Now that they beat Poly in the Open division game last year, people take them seriously. They have only one team in their section that will give them a game, and that team is Granite Bay. Every other team should get beaten pretty easily. Grant has always had very good teams, but have been overlooked, because of the section they're in.

Interesting background.

How does your playoff system work basically? While we play down from four quadrants at two large school levels, how does CIF work. It looks like a regional state champion. Like CIF North Champion or something like that. Or is there 1 state champion at some common relative school size?
BTW no one :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy here either, but it does look like a bit of a mystery from a distance.

[steeler 01]

Interesting background.

How does your playoff system work basically? While we play down from four quadrants at two large school levels, how does CIF work. It looks like a regional state champion. Like CIF North Champion or something like that. Or is there 1 state champion at some common relative school size?
BTW no one :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy here either, but it does look like a bit of a mystery from a distance.

We have 10 sections, and each section has a different number of divisions, and each division has a champion. The Pac 5 in the Southern Section has the best teams, and is as tough of a championship to win as there is. Some of the other divisions in the Southern Section have some very good teams as well. The Inland is the first one that comes to mind. They have CC, Norco, North, REV, Chaparral etc........ The other divisions have 1 or 2 good teams and the rest are solid to average. The rest of Cali usually has 3 or 4 very good teams and then there's a dip. If there was a state championship playoff, the road down South would be killer, and the teams up North would have a much easier time.


The South would have



CC
Poly
MD
Notre Dame
Norco
North
REV
Rancho Cucamonga
St. Bonny
Orange Lutheran
Crespi
Servite
Lakewood
Edison
Taft
Moorpark
Alemany
Mission Viejo
Oceanside
Los Alamitos
Crenshaw

There's a ton more teams in the south I didn't even mention that could beat these teams.

The North would have


Grant
DLS
Clovis West
Pittsburg
Bellarmine Prep
Elk Grove
Monte Vista
Granite Bay
Los Gatos


There's a couple of more, but the South is a lot deeper.

[steeler 01]

[QUOTE=mapv281;1309922]blah blah blah

Texas FB >>>>>>>>>> CA FB

/QUOTE]

Yet, you only posted 1 time after the SLC loss to MNW till Katy beat Cy-Bay.:rolleyes:

[Gator4ever]

Hello,


I'm off topic a bit and apologize....


I watch the California track and field championships every year and really enjoy the talent. Last year Jordan Hassey (sp) made the finals in the olympic trials as a 16-17 year old in the 1500 meters and have followed here forever. Many records have fallen in national record status lately in both mens and womens events at the high school level and California is leading the new golden age of track and field for the high school kids. Man o man these athletes are fantastic and will represent our country well in London-2012.


Gator4ever

[Hitman49]

We have 10 sections, and each section has a different number of divisions, and each division has a champion. The Pac 5 in the Southern Section has the best teams, and is as tough of a championship to win as there is. Some of the other divisions in the Southern Section have some very good teams as well. The Inland is the first one that comes to mind. They have CC, Norco, North, REV, Chaparral etc........ The other divisions have 1 or 2 good teams and the rest are solid to average. The rest of Cali usually has 3 or 4 very good teams and then there's a dip. If there was a state championship playoff, the road down South would be killer, and the teams up North would have a much easier time.


The South would have



CC
Poly
MD
Notre Dame
Norco
North
REV
Rancho Cucamonga
St. Bonny
Orange Lutheran
Crespi
Servite
Lakewood
Edison
Taft
Moorpark
Alemany
Mission Viejo
Oceanside
Los Alamitos
Crenshaw

There's a ton more teams in the south I didn't even mention that could beat these teams.

The North would have


Grant
DLS
Clovis West
Pittsburg
Bellarmine Prep
Elk Grove
Monte Vista
Granite Bay
Los Gatos


There's a couple of more, but the South is a lot deeper.

Funny how you leave out Clovis East with the record they have posted in Cal!

Here's the problem with your list above. Cal just does not have big time quality depth. It makes me wonder if Florida has more quality team depth. Ask yourself how many teams in Cal would you truely give big chance to beat STA. We both have seen STA and I hope we both agree that they are playing at very high level at this time. You will never admit this, but the list from Texas would double or more the list from California. Hell, our list would be longer with just our top one loss teams...lol I am being serious!!

[mapv281]

[QUOTE=mapv281;1309922]blah blah blah

Texas FB >>>>>>>>>> CA FB

/QUOTE]

Yet, you only posted 1 time after the SLC loss to MNW till Katy beat Cy-Bay.:rolleyes:

MNW is not CA FB (stick to your state). I didn't post much back then, another life and city, I've moved back to Katy and have a lot spare time for this cr@p. MNW 07 was one of the greatest FL HS teams put together, where SLC 07 was not, look how far they got. Quit trying to come here and prove something that no one will ever buy (esp from you), why are you wasting your time in our HS forums? Go back to your own since everything outside of Texas is much better according to you. All of your CA teams are WEAK, Katy and about 20 other Texas teams own Grant, Oak Christian, Poly and DLS; Texas owns the greatest college team ever, USC, what a joke. You're nothing.

[steeler 01]

Funny how you leave out Clovis East with the record they have posted in Cal!

Here's the problem with your list above. Cal just does not have big time quality depth. It makes me wonder if Florida has more quality team depth. Ask yourself how many teams in Cal would you truely give big chance to beat STA. We both have seen STA and I hope we both agree that they are playing at very high level at this time. You will never admit this, but the list from Texas would double or more the list from California. Hell, our list would be longer with just our top one loss teams...lol I am being serious!!

I think realistically both states would have the same amount, but you'll add teams we both know wouldn't realistically have a chance at STA.

[steeler 01]

[QUOTE=steeler 01;1309936]

MNW is not CA FB (stick to your state). I didn't post much back then, another life and city, I've moved back to Katy and have a lot spare time for this cr@p. MNW 07 was one of the greatest FL HS teams put together, where SLC 07 was not, look how far they got. Quit trying to come here and prove something that no one will ever buy (esp from you), why are you wasting your time in our HS forums? Go back to your own since everything outside of Texas is much better according to you. All of your CA teams are WEAK, Katy and about 20 other Texas teams own Grant, Oak Christian, Poly and DLS; Texas owns the greatest college team ever, USC, what a joke. You're nothing.

Huh? I think the greatest belongs to either Nebraska of 95 or Miami of 01. I don't think you'll hear the 05 Texas team considered the greatest team in College football history. Yet another one of your opinions that any sane person wouldn't stand behind.

[steeler 01]

Funny how you leave out Clovis East with the record they have posted in Cal!

Here's the problem with your list above. Cal just does not have big time quality depth. It makes me wonder if Florida has more quality team depth. Ask yourself how many teams in Cal would you truely give big chance to beat STA. We both have seen STA and I hope we both agree that they are playing at very high level at this time. You will never admit this, but the list from Texas would double or more the list from California. Hell, our list would be longer with just our top one loss teams...lol I am being serious!!

Why would I add Clovis East? They're currently 1-2 with both losses coming to southern section teams. One being a blowout at the hands of REV.

[Hitman49]

I think realistically both states would have the same amount, but you'll add teams we both know wouldn't realistically have a chance at STA.

Realistically it would not be that close! Cal just does not have the high end quality depth that we have here in Texas.

SLC
Cedar Hill
Desoto-
Allen
Trinity-The best two loss team in the country.
Katy
The Woodlands
Lufkin
Longview
North Shore
John Tyler- about time these guys turned it around
RRSP
Abilene
Lake Travis

I would like my chances with any of these teams and most likely I am leaving several others out.

You can give me a list, but we both know that cal does not produce this many high level teams...Just face the facts Cal is 2nd or 3rd when it comes to High School Football.

Texas Football!!

[dada]

Grant shuts out Bellevue 14-0 which proves California defenses are vastly superior to Texas defenses.
:notworthy saw this on another board.

[steeler 01]

Realistically it would not be that close! Cal just does not have the high end quality depth that we have here in Texas.

SLC
Cedar Hill
Desoto-
Allen
Trinity-The best two loss team in the country.
Katy
The Woodlands
Lufkin
Longview
North Shore
John Tyler- about time these guys turned it around
RRSP
Abilene
Lake Travis

I would like my chances with any of these teams and most likely I am leaving several others out.

You can give me a list, but we both know that cal does not produce this many high level teams...Just face the facts Cal is 2nd or 3rd when it comes to High School Football.

Texas Football!!

Like I said you'll name teams that don't have realistic shots.

[steeler 01]

:notworthy saw this on another board.

That guy was joking around.

[Austin109]

:notworthy saw this on another board.

lol really? really? they were missing quite a few starters!

[DownSouth]

[QUOTE=steeler 01;1309936]

MNW is not CA FB (stick to your state). I didn't post much back then, another life and city, I've moved back to Katy and have a lot spare time for this cr@p. MNW 07 was one of the greatest FL HS teams put together, where SLC 07 was not, look how far they got. Quit trying to come here and prove something that no one will ever buy (esp from you), why are you wasting your time in our HS forums? Go back to your own since everything outside of Texas is much better according to you. All of your CA teams are WEAK, Katy and about 20 other Texas teams own Grant, Oak Christian, Poly and DLS; Texas owns the greatest college team ever, USC, what a joke. You're nothing.


Don't try and act like SLC lost because they weren't good enough to make it through 6 rounds.

They lost in the third round because Dodge got injured. Granted, injuries happen, and it's a part of the game, but SLC very well could have won State that year if Dodge doesn't go down.

At the very least they beat Abilene and move to round 4; because Dodge was literally unstoppable that night until he went out 8-8, 126 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's.

- Side note: 07 MNW was a damn fine team (one of the best FL has ever seen), but their 06' team was better. All the guy's from 07' were juniors and they had Antwain Easterling as their lead running back and Anthony Gaitor at corner.

In addition, 08' and 09' Aquinas, as well as 07' Booker T., and 05' Lakeland were every bit as good. And that's just from the last 4 years - we have quality to match up with anyone.

And I wasn't aware that the 2001 Miami Hurricanes had been annexed by the state of Texas, since they won the National Title. I guess I need to brush up on my geography.:rolleyes:

[mapv281]

[QUOTE=mapv281;1310003]

Huh? I think the greatest belongs to either Nebraska of 95 or Miami of 01. I don't think you'll hear the 05 Texas team considered the greatest team in College football history. Yet another one of your opinions that any sane person wouldn't stand behind.

No, it was USC that was called by ESPN and Mark Mays as the greatest of all time before they played. Texas showed them up. I agree, 95 Neb was the greatest.

[mapv281]

[QUOTE=mapv281;1310003]


Don't try and act like SLC lost because they weren't good enough to make it through 6 rounds.

They lost in the third round because Dodge got injured. Granted, injuries happen, and it's a part of the game, but SLC very well could have won State that year if Dodge doesn't go down.

At the very least they beat Abilene and move to round 4; because Dodge was literally unstoppable that night until he went out 8-8, 126 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's.

- Side note: 07 MNW was a damn fine team (one of the best FL has ever seen), but their 06' team was better. All the guy's from 07' were juniors and they had Antwain Easterling as their lead running back and Anthony Gaitor at corner.

In addition, 08' and 09' Aquinas, as well as 07' Booker T., and 05' Lakeland were every bit as good. And that's just from the last 4 years - we have quality to match up with anyone.

And I wasn't aware that the 2001 Miami Hurricanes had been annexed by the state of Texas, since they won the National Title. I guess I need to brush up on my geography.:rolleyes:

The reason for SLC's loss and bit of downfall was because of Dodge (Father/Coach) leaving to North Texas. I can only imagine a coach like that at a school like Cedar Hill, Skyline, Carter, North Shore with the raw talent, hell even MNW. Even though we produce the most college bound players every year, it's pretty clear that Texas quality and deph is at another level than other states.

[steeler 01]

[QUOTE=steeler 01;1310038]

No, it was USC that was called by ESPN and Mark Mays as the greatest of all time before they played. Texas showed them up. I agree, 95 Neb was the greatest.

That doesn't make the 05 Texas team the greatest. Every poll they ever do has 95 Nebraska or 01 Miami as the number 1 team of all time.

[tigerowl06]

That doesn't make the 05 Texas team the greatest. Every poll they ever do has 95 Nebraska or 01 Miami as the number 1 team of all time.

Something really weird happened with your post so that it looks like you're arguing with yourself.

[Miss Kitty]

Something really weird happened with your post so that it looks like you're arguing with yourself.

:notworthy:D

[Patriot1]

'Whatever you give a woman, she will make greater. If you give her sperm, she'll give you a baby. If you give her a house, she'll give you a home. If you give her groceries, she'll give you a meal.. If you give her a smile, she'll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be ready to receive a ton of S**t.' ....Miss Kitty


Well said Ma'am. Well Said:notworthy:notworthy

[dada]

'Whatever you give a woman, she will make greater. If you give her sperm, she'll give you a baby. If you give her a house, she'll give you a home. If you give her groceries, she'll give you a meal.. If you give her a smile, she'll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be ready to receive a ton of S**t.' ....Miss Kitty


Well said Ma'am. Well Said:notworthy:notworthy

Which brings up another topic..."WHO" does the baby belong to?

Example....the Coke Machine....it carries the the can of coke....keeps it nice and cool in the "Womb"....I stick my "Money" in and a coke comes out. Does that Coke belong to ME or the "Coke Machine"?

I will now duck and hide and try to avoid Miss Kitty for the rest of the week.:D

[85Roughneck]

Which brings up another topic..."WHO" does the baby belong to?

Example....the Coke Machine....it carries the the can of coke....keeps it nice and cool in the "Womb"....I stick my "Money" in and a coke comes out. Does that Coke belong to ME or the "Coke Machine"?

I will now duck and hide and try to avoid Miss Kitty for the rest of the week.:D

YOU CANNOT HIDE !!! I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE !!!

signed
Miss Kitty

[cougmantx]

Thought I would bring this tread back up since we everyone wants to hash out the old games...

How about them Bellevue Wolverines...got the flying Wolverine going on...into the second game of their playoffs headed for another state title...everyone getting healthy and somewhere along the line they developed a passing game...

[Texasfrog]

Don't try and act like SLC lost because they weren't good enough to make it through 6 rounds.

[QUOTE]They lost in the third round because Dodge got injured. Granted, injuries happen, and it's a part of the game, but SLC very well could have won State that year if Dodge doesn't go down.

At the very least they beat Abilene and move to round 4; because Dodge was literally unstoppable that night until he went out 8-8, 126 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's.

- Side note: 07 MNW was a damn fine team (one of the best FL has ever seen), but their 06' team was better. All the guy's from 07' were juniors and they had Antwain Easterling as their lead running back and Anthony Gaitor at corner.

In addition, 08' and 09' Aquinas, as well as 07' Booker T., and 05' Lakeland were every bit as good. And that's just from the last 4 years - we have quality to match up with anyone.

And I wasn't aware that the 2001 Miami Hurricanes had been annexed by the state of Texas, since they won the National Title. I guess I need to brush up on my geography.:rolleyes:

Your casually forgetting the Riley Dodge missed half of the 3rd QT in the MNW game with an injury.;):rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

:notworthy saw this on another board.

I guess Texas offensives must be vastly superior too California offensives since Katy scored 35 and Grant only scored 14.:cool:

[cougmantx]

I guess Texas offensives must be vastly superior too California offensives since Katy scored 35 and Grant only scored 14.:cool:

I'm buddies on facebook with a couple of guys from Bellevue from this game and all I got to say is they have nothing but respect for Katy and Texas football. They are some of the classest people you could want to met. They have no fear of anyone but I will say this...our Friday night lights was a highlight for them. Cali can't stand a candle as far as atmosphere and tradition go.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

The 2011 Bellevue squad might be better than the 2008 squad. They beat Oaks Christian and Skyline, over the past 4 weeks. Both, Skyline and OC, are highly thought of on the West Coast. However, even after saying that... I still don't think this 2011 Bellevue team beats Allen, Katy, ET, or Desoto. They would have some serious wars with the likes of Steele, Judson, and Heritage, too.

[dada]

The 2011 Bellevue squad might be better than the 2008 squad. They beat Oaks Christian and Skyline, over the past 4 weeks. Both, Skyline and OC, are highly thought of on the West Coast. However, even after saying that... I still don't think this 2011 Bellevue team beats Allen, Katy, ET, or Desoto. They would have some serious wars with the likes of Steele, Judson, and Heritage, too.

For Obvious reasons I've been keeping up with Bellevue and they are head and shoulders better than they were in 2008

[The King]

This thread is still going on.

The best part about the Bellevue was their coach coming to the red white game in may and we were having unseasonably cool weather.

[titus211]

Bellevue would be a 3A school in Texas. Katy needs to play a Grant, which is like a well coached North Shore or Cedar Hill team.