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dada
03-18-2009, 04:31 PM
Yea for now. I think they want the deep threat. If not morris at CB then who are the likely candidates.

dirty 30?

TxDrake
03-18-2009, 04:31 PM
We need to work on getting the visitor side just as packed with Katy fans as the home side. OK, let's convince Katy to win their first two games 50-0 and 70-0. That should generate some interest. What else can we do.?

I think that had some to do with Titus...... I've talked to a bunch of people that didn't even know Katy had played an out of state team.

dada
03-18-2009, 04:32 PM
I think that had some to do with Titus...... I've talked to a bunch of people that didn't even know Katy had played an out of state team.

I mentioned that earlier.........not alot of people outside Katy knew.

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 04:33 PM
dirty 30?

I could see that. I wonder what we have in the lower ranks.

Fleeman93
03-18-2009, 04:33 PM
what is 62tiger feeding his kids? has there ever been a bad football player named Colt?

McCoy?

85Roughneck
03-18-2009, 04:35 PM
Morris moved to WR not sure...Atwood, Rose and Holl return.

outside the box a bit here, you know there's a certain highly skilled running back that was once a DB... is it possible that he could move back to defense and fill that spot. We have plenty ammo at all the RB positions and there's no tellin' what other RB additions there may be coming from JV ... ;):D however, I like him where he's at and I would like to see us gain some height back there. In no way am I saying that the height we have was insufficient. I'm just saying the additional height would be like insurance ... you know what I mean?

85Roughneck
03-18-2009, 04:36 PM
5. If im not mistaken there is still 1 to come.

this is correct ... 8th grade right now I believe.

dada
03-18-2009, 04:38 PM
outside the box a bit here, you know there's a certain highly skilled running back that was once a DB... is it possible that he could move back to defense and fill that spot. We have plenty ammo at all the RB positions and there's no tellin' what other RB additions there may be coming from JV ... ;):D however, I like him where he's at and I would like to see us gain some height back there. In no way am I saying that the height we have was insufficient. I'm just saying the additional height would be like insurance ... you know what I mean?

I'm pretty sure some one will step up and come out of nowhere....I mean...Colt came from the sophomore team. Depth isnt an issue in this program.

Imagine the sophomore team if Colt stayed...along with Narcisse,Clifton...Vernon....Morris...wow

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 04:38 PM
outside the box a bit here, you know there's a certain highly skilled running back that was once a DB... is it possible that he could move back to defense and fill that spot. We have plenty ammo at all the RB positions and there's no tellin' what other RB additions there may be coming from JV ... ;):D however, I like him where he's at and I would like to see us gain some height back there. In no way am I saying that the height we have was insufficient. I'm just saying the additional height would be like insurance ... you know what I mean?

What about Dowlings boy. I heard he's a good player.

85Roughneck
03-18-2009, 04:38 PM
dirty 30?

hmmmmmmmmmm ... now that isn't a bad idea ... 30 has a very aggresive running style while carrying the ball. If he can carry that over to cleaning the plows of receivers that would be niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice ... ;):D he definitely has the speed and desire, but again, he is a little height deficient.

dada
03-18-2009, 04:39 PM
McCoy?

He's pretty dang good...lol

jesse
03-18-2009, 04:40 PM
JC is also a private factory. Bellevue is a public school, but I don't know how strict Washington is with transfers.

You hit the nail on the head. And Washington state is not under any federal guidelines regarding zoning as are most southern states ( Civil Rights Act ie:busing and so forth). The UIL would not allow a public school to operate the way many schools in other states do. That is why Texas schoolboy football is the most honest. Georgia is a close 2nd.

TxDrake
03-18-2009, 04:41 PM
I mentioned that earlier.........not alot of people outside Katy knew.

There was allot in Katy that didn't know, The town wasn't exactly plastered with posters or newspaper ads.

slcdragonfan
03-18-2009, 04:42 PM
won't do any good bro, you know all of R3 sux regardless ... remember? ;):D

unfortunately, with the recent exception of Pasadena Memorial, that is pretty much true regarding PISD teams.:(

85Roughneck
03-18-2009, 04:45 PM
unfortunately, with the recent exception of Pasadena Memorial, that is pretty much true regarding PISD teams.:(

I hear ya' bro ... I live in Deer Park and you're right the Pasadena schools have football issues with the exception being the Mem Mavs, but now that Snelson is gone it looks as though they will be lacking too. I haven't heard any noise out of the Mavs about what they have coming up since Bo is leaving.

jesse
03-18-2009, 04:52 PM
does Bellevue have a good punter? :cool:

Well Bellevue is a fairly affluent suburb. Therefore most likely soccer is a varsity sport:D. If they need one he will suit up.Probably won't see much action. Neither will Katy's:D.

BDB
03-18-2009, 04:58 PM
I imagine that tactic not working well against Katy, if they try it they will become well aquainted with the turf.

I thought the QB was a little low in his stance. Almost on his knees.

that's tactical. it's so the defense can't see the where the qb is turning till the last second when he pops up. it's used alot in the veer to confuse the defense, and alot of times even the RB keeps low until he pops out of the line.


it's hard to stop when run right.

BDB
03-18-2009, 04:59 PM
Well Bellevue is a fairly affluent suburb. Therefore most likely soccer is a varsity sport:D. If they need one he will suit up.Probably won't see much action. Neither will Katy's:D.

understatement. bellevue is on the same level as bill gates.

TigerBrother
03-18-2009, 05:03 PM
Whats up washington,..you've had to make here by now...First off don't worry about mother nature's little heat you've got to watch out for Father Joseph's fiery down here in the south...I hope this turns out to be a real dog fight anything less just wouldn't be as much fun....I just keep thinking back to the opening game run through from last year for the cy-bay game........WELCOME TO TEXAS....HERE COMES THE PAIN..........

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 05:24 PM
Whats up washington,..you've had to make here by now...First off don't worry about mother nature's little heat you've got to watch out for Father Joseph's fiery down here in the south...I hope this turns out to be a real dog fight anything less just wouldn't be as much fun....I just keep thinking back to the opening game run through from last year for the cy-bay game........WELCOME TO TEXAS....HERE COMES THE PAIN..........

Yeah that sign got me Jacked up.

dada
03-18-2009, 05:27 PM
Yeah that sign got me Jacked up.

Will there be any boogers and snot flying this season? I hope so

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 05:30 PM
Will there be any boogers and snot flying this season? I hope so

Oh there's gunna be alot of boogers and snot next year. They're gunna be out for blood.

Canes0177
03-18-2009, 05:37 PM
I meant the same athletes as Cy Bay.

Oh. I don't know.

I'm the guy who contended that Cypress Bay was vastly overrated in that department.

So they may be even with Cypress Bay but the difference will be in their familiarity with the Wing T and the fact that their coach has been in place for 9 years and has his program rolling.

Canes0177
03-18-2009, 05:40 PM
Katy has played much better Wing-T teams than Cy-Bay. For starters P-ville in the state title game. Im not gunna say they run it as precise as Bellevue but i bet they had way more talent. 28-7 Katy victory

Or In 06' AMC was a top 5 team in the state Katy was in rebuilding mode and I believe we held them to 3 points.

Point being I cant remember the last time The Wing-T worked against us.

The Key to stopping it is stop the flow of the pulling guards and the line backers playing smart discilpen football. Luckily Katy will have alot of returning experience at the LB position.

The one thin im worried about is the inexperience at the QB position. The only years Katy gets off to a fast start is years that they had a returning QB. Hopefully the O-line has enough returning experience to allow the running game carry us while we develop the passing game.

I would hope so.

Pflugerville was a 4-loss team. I don't think many teams had trouble with them either.

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 05:40 PM
Oh. I don't know.

I'm the guy who contended that Cypress Bay was vastly overrated in that department.

So they may be even with Cypress Bay but the difference will be in their familiarity with the Wing T and the fact that their coach has been in place for 9 years and has his program rolling.

What about there defense? I saw in those clips posted that yes they did put up some points. But they also gave up alot too.

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 05:43 PM
I would hope so.

Pflugerville was a 4-loss team. I don't think many teams had trouble with them either.


Judson was a 4 loss team that year also, they were close to beating trinity in the finals. Katy was a 3 loss team this year and won state.

There is so much parody in Texas that it is not uncommon to see that type of run. But I think Two of there backs at P-ville went D1.

steeler 01
03-18-2009, 05:51 PM
Not according to some bellevue fans.

Check the emerald city kick off classic attendance:)

twcpfan1
03-18-2009, 05:52 PM
understatement. bellevue is on the same level as bill gates.

Bellevue/Mercer Island is nice. I think Gates lives in Medina which is on the NW side of Bellevue overlooking Lake Washington.

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 05:53 PM
Check the emerald city kick off classic attendance:)


Just judging the games that we say in those clips. Didnt look very crowded.

steeler 01
03-18-2009, 05:56 PM
I would hope so.

Pflugerville was a 4-loss team. I don't think many teams had trouble with them either.

Pflugerville isn't better than Bellevue. LMAO.....I watched Pflugerville 2 times that season. Against Katy and against Leander.

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 05:58 PM
Pflugerville isn't better than Bellevue. LMAO.....I watched Pflugerville 2 times that season. Against Katy and against Leander.


Nobody said they were.

SLC93
03-18-2009, 06:08 PM
It will.....trust me.

The same was said going into the game with MNW. Crowd will be a small to negligible factor, imo. This is an elite program, like Katy. They are used to hostile crowds and media coverage.

SLC93
03-18-2009, 06:14 PM
Can anyone give me a reason why they think Bellevue will beat Katy, at Rhodes, traveling to Texas for the first time against what should be a solid defense, besides "They run the Wing T better than anyone"

I need more than that....seriously.

I don't know that anyone believes Bellevue will win this game. That said this is the best program in the state of Washington. They have a ton of tradition, scores of championships, run a little seen anymore offense to perfection and have a history of slaying giants. All I'm arguing is that they are a threat and command alot of respect. This is no Cy Bay.

BDB
03-18-2009, 06:15 PM
The same was said going into the game with MNW. Crowd will be a small to negligible factor, imo. This is an elite program, like Katy. They are used to hostile crowds and media coverage.

wearing red makes you louder...

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 06:17 PM
I don't know that anyone believes Bellevue will win this game. That said this is the best program in the state of Washington. They have a ton of tradition, scores of championships, run a little seen anymore offense to perfection and have a history of slaying giants. All I'm arguing is that they are a threat and command alot of respect. This is no Cy Bay.

i keep hearing bout there O, What about there D.

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 06:18 PM
wearing red makes you louder...

Well, Dragon stadium isnt know as the library for nothing lol:D.

TigerBrother
03-18-2009, 06:33 PM
hmmmmmmmmmm ... now that isn't a bad idea ... 30 has a very aggresive running style while carrying the ball. If he can carry that over to cleaning the plows of receivers that would be niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice ... ;):D he definitely has the speed and desire, but again, he is a little height deficient.

If you hit'em hard enough they won't make the catch no matter what size;).....greg moved to wr and D30 has been filling out db...

twcpfan1
03-18-2009, 06:42 PM
I wonder where they'll get the officiating crew? Was it Texas refs who officiated SLC MNW?

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 06:44 PM
If you hit'em hard enough they won't make the catch no matter what size;).....greg moved to wr and D30 has been filling out db...

Ill be interested in seeing how greg does at Wr, hope hes the explosive weapon were gunna need next year.

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 06:45 PM
I wonder where they'll get the officiating crew? Was it Texas refs who officiated SLC MNW?


Im pretty sure it is TX rules.

SLC93
03-18-2009, 07:51 PM
I wonder where they'll get the officiating crew? Was it Texas refs who officiated SLC MNW?

I really want to say they used a crew from SA but don't quote me.

Canes0177
03-18-2009, 08:30 PM
Judson was a 4 loss team that year also, they were close to beating trinity in the finals. Katy was a 3 loss team this year and won state.

There is so much parody in Texas that it is not uncommon to see that type of run. But I think Two of there backs at P-ville went D1.

The results you get with split divisions.

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 08:54 PM
The results you get with split divisions.


Yeah split decisions sucks. But it doesnt mean that P-ville wasnt worthy to be in the state game. There's no telling what would happen if they were all in the same division.

Oh well its off topic. Bottom line P-ville was a very good Wing-T team, Just ask Abilene and Longview fans. Im not saying they run it better than Bellevue. Im giving an example of Katy shutting down a very talented Wing-T team.

All Im saying is Katy's defense is made to stop this style of offense. Who knows Bellevue may run right through them, Thats yet to be determined.

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 08:57 PM
Two things.

First, If I'm a Katy fan I am hoping that Texasfrog stays as quiet as possible until this game is over.

Second, I am seeing a lot of confidence in the Katy fans which is good, but my question to them is, I thought it took Katy at least 6 games to get the ship sailing straight, this is what, the 3rd game of the season? Are the members of the Katy nation not expecting it to take at least 6 games to get the maching rolling this year? :eek:;)

twcpfan1
03-18-2009, 08:59 PM
Two things.

First, If I'm a Katy fan I am hoping that Texasfrog stays as quiet as possible until this game is over.

Second, I am seeing a lot of confidence in the Katy fans which is good, but my question to them is, I thought it took Katy at least 6 games to get the ship sailing straight, this is what, the 3rd game of the season? Are the members of the Katy nation not expecting it to take at least 6 games to get the maching rolling this year? :eek:;)

Is Frog the authority on Seattle/King County football as well as Miami-Dade?

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 09:00 PM
Is Frog the authority on Seattle/King County football as well as Miami-Dade?

HAHAHA

I am sure he is ;)

The Wet Mustard
03-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Two things.

First, If I'm a Katy fan I am hoping that Texasfrog stays as quiet as possible until this game is over.

Second, I am seeing a lot of confidence in the Katy fans which is good, but my question to them is, I thought it took Katy at least 6 games to get the ship sailing straight, this is what, the 3rd game of the season? Are the members of the Katy nation not expecting it to take at least 6 games to get the maching rolling this year? :eek:;)

I dont speak for the whole community, but i do believe that it takes the rebuilding/reloading team 6-10 games to get it straight, however the teams with many returning starters ex2007 hit the ground running and get even better

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 09:05 PM
I dont speak for the whole community, but i do believe that it takes the rebuilding/reloading team 6-10 games to get it straight, however the teams with many returning starters ex2007 hit the ground running and get even better

How many total starters does Katy have. I know its something like 8 on defense. How about offense? I know of two good looking backs I saw last year at the Marcus game but they can't be very talented.

twcpfan1
03-18-2009, 09:08 PM
How many total starters does Katy have. I know its something like 8 on defense. How about offense? I know of two good looking backs I saw last year at the Marcus game but they can't be very talented.

The little RB that you can't tackle in a phonebooth is back. Jeffrey or Jeffries. I get confused. He's a senior in 09 I think. He's very good.

KT2000
03-18-2009, 09:08 PM
How many total starters does Katy have. I know its something like 8 on defense. How about offense? I know of two good looking backs I saw last year at the Marcus game but they can't be very talented.

5 starters on offense (2 OL, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB)

That could be expanded to 6 if you include the starts the second RB got. He was out of commission from district play through the playoffs due to an injury. He was on the verge of earning the starting job before that happened. Will Jeffery stepped in as the starter with Michael Webber when Vernon Jeffries went down, and 10 weeks later he collected the state game MVP award.

7 on defense (1 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB) plus a couple more DL and a raft of LBs who played a significant number of snaps.

dada
03-18-2009, 09:09 PM
Check the emerald city kick off classic attendance:)

neutral crowd in a city and state you are familiar with.

And as far as the MNW/SLC game...what if the game was at Dragon stadium?

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 09:10 PM
The little RB that you can't tackle in a phonebooth is back. Jeffrey or Jeffries. I get confused. He's a senior in 09 I think. He's very good.

Is he the short stocky back?

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 09:12 PM
5 starters on offense (2 OL, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB)

That could be expanded to 6 if you include the starts the second RB got. He was out of commission from district play through the playoffs due to an injury. He was on the verge of earning the starting job before that happened. Will Jeffery stepped in as the starter when Vernon Jeffries went down, and 10 weeks later he collected the state game MVP award.

7 on defense (1 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB) plus a couple more DL and a raft of LBs who played a significant number of snaps.

So Katy has two small linemen, a wideout who can't catch, a TE who also can't catch and is probably small and slow and a RB who is short. Sounds like a winning combo to me. :D

twcpfan1
03-18-2009, 09:12 PM
Is he the short stocky back?

That's the senior they used for dive plays. Dammit I knew his name. They say he was hobbled most of last year. He graduated.

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 09:13 PM
neutral crowd in a city and state you are familiar with.

And as far as the MNW/SLC game...what if the game was at Dragon stadium?

There would have been roughly 19,000 fewer people there :cool:

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 09:14 PM
That's the senior they used for dive plays. Dammit I knew his name. They say he was hobbled most of last year. He graduated.

I saw two more during warmups at the Marcus game though that Dada said were underclassmen. They were good looking backs but obviously no talent at all.

Fleeman93
03-18-2009, 09:14 PM
Two things.

First, If I'm a Katy fan I am hoping that Texasfrog stays as quiet as possible until this game is over.

Second, I am seeing a lot of confidence in the Katy fans which is good, but my question to them is, I thought it took Katy at least 6 games to get the ship sailing straight, this is what, the 3rd game of the season? Are the members of the Katy nation not expecting it to take at least 6 games to get the maching rolling this year? :eek:;)

This demonstrates that you haven't been paying attention at all. Katy was very young last year and that is why it took them awhile to get going. Katy will still be fairly young next year but nothing like this past year.

KT2000
03-18-2009, 09:15 PM
That's the senior they used for dive plays. Dammit I knew his name. They say he was hobbled most of last year. He graduated.

Michael Webber. He's graduating. He came back and rushed for over 1,000 yards after missing his entire junior season with an injury. Pretty darn impressive.

KT2000
03-18-2009, 09:16 PM
I saw two more during warmups at the Marcus game though that Dada said were underclassmen. They were good looking backs but obviously no talent at all.

#4 Will Jeffery (state game MVP), will be senior
#24 Vernon Jeffries, will be junior

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 09:16 PM
Two things.

First, If I'm a Katy fan I am hoping that Texasfrog stays as quiet as possible until this game is over.

Second, I am seeing a lot of confidence in the Katy fans which is good, but my question to them is, I thought it took Katy at least 6 games to get the ship sailing straight, this is what, the 3rd game of the season? Are the members of the Katy nation not expecting it to take at least 6 games to get the maching rolling this year? :eek:;)

Very good point. Yes we do traditionally start slow. Depends how slow on amount of returning starts.

The only years that we have gotten off to really fast starts are 05' and 00' not even 07' showed well in there first game on offense.

That being said we have 2 lineman returning and a TE. Thats half the line so they should be fairly experienced. a good core of Rbs as well so hopefully we can have the running game going somewhat by week 3.

The QB looks like its gunna be Soph Brooks Haak, or Sr. Stock. Either way they will be very inexperienced. So i won't expect the passing game to really get going till later in the year. But hopefully they can be good enough to keep a little bit of balance.

I dont expect Katy to be very explosive on offense, But I do see our defense ready to go. We return 8/11 starters. With Key players Like Sam Holl who is the run support from safety spot and Nick Narciesses at D-line. But most importantly all the line backers saw significant time last year and played 2 Wing-T teams so they atleast got some exposure to it.

We'll have to get back with you after the spring game. We will know more after then.

twcpfan1
03-18-2009, 09:17 PM
Michael Webber. He's graduating. He came back and rushed for over 1,000 yards after missing his entire junior season with an injury. Pretty darn impressive.

That's him. Played really well against Wylie. I was told that he was never 100% all of last year.

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 09:18 PM
This demonstrates that you haven't been paying attention at all. Katy was very young last year and that is why it took them awhile to get going. Katy will still be fairly young next year but nothing like this past year.

Oh no, I have been paying attention. Katy never has talent and it takes them at least 6 games to get going. I never read anything about the youth being the reason why, just that it takes Coach Jo and company at least 6 games to get going starting with getting the line on the same page and then the skill players to follow.
FWIW, I think its safe to say that this is a game we all will be rooting for Katy. I do hope you guys beat the hell out of these guys. I hate everything about the Pacific Northwest. Probably has to do with my dislike for Nirvana and Coffee.

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 09:20 PM
#4 Will Jeffery (state game MVP), will be senior
#24 Vernon Jeffries, will be junior

Without sounding to freaky, which one was it with the huge legs? you could tell there is a lot of power to be generated in one of those guys. Maybe it was 4 but I just remember thinking that they both were very good looking football players.

The Wet Mustard
03-18-2009, 09:20 PM
5 starters on offense (2 OL, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB)

That could be expanded to 6 if you include the starts the second RB got. He was out of commission from district play through the playoffs due to an injury. He was on the verge of earning the starting job before that happened. Will Jeffery stepped in as the starter with Michael Webber when Vernon Jeffries went down, and 10 weeks later he collected the state game MVP award.

7 on defense (1 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB) plus a couple more DL and a raft of LBs who played a significant number of snaps.
And one Kiiiicker :)

FIFY
And there is a possibility that every player that is a starter next year was on varsity this year, this is saying no jv players pass them up. Just trying to show that katy had lots of juniors/sophomores get pt last year

twcpfan1
03-18-2009, 09:20 PM
I saw two more during warmups at the Marcus game though that Dada said were underclassmen. They were good looking backs but obviously no talent at all.

If one of them was Jeffrey? (state mvp), he sure as heck did a lot of improving in the upcoming weeks. He was good by the time I saw him both against SV and Wylie.

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 09:23 PM
Webber had the huge legs
Jeffery was the slippery quick one
Jefferies was powerful and quick.

dada
03-18-2009, 09:23 PM
I saw two more during warmups at the Marcus game though that Dada said were underclassmen. They were good looking backs but obviously no talent at all.

Webber was #26...Sr...was never at 100% the entire year
Jeffries(#24) sophomore became the go to back...but up great numbers but was injured in the second district game...was close to 500 yards at that time.
Jeffrey(#4) was actually a DB...moved to RB and did great.
Shep Klinke will Anchor the line along with some guys who are typical Katy-type linemen
IHOP returns at TE....a 6'6 head hunter who thinks he's a line backer.

Everyone on defense returning got lots of time last year. Tapong was the guy in the middle, but rotated with Bray and Sampa I think, so they got experience...all of the linebackers were under class men.

And of course...Hit Stick is back....and bigger.

The Wet Mustard
03-18-2009, 09:24 PM
Without sounding to freaky, which one was it with the huge legs? you could tell there is a lot of power to be generated in one of those guys. Maybe it was 4 but I just remember thinking that they both were very good looking football players.

24 is a bigger kid, hes strong almost like a midget fulback
4 is strong but you cant see it

dada
03-18-2009, 09:25 PM
Webber had the huge legs
Jeffery was the slippery quick one
Jefferies was powerful and quick.

Jeffries was a combination of webber and jeffrey....he was very patient, used the blockers...and was gone.

twcpfan1
03-18-2009, 09:25 PM
Oh no, I have been paying attention. Katy never has talent and it takes them at least 6 games to get going. I never read anything about the youth being the reason why, just that it takes Coach Jo and company at least 6 games to get going starting with getting the line on the same page and then the skill players to follow.
FWIW, I think its safe to say that this is a game we all will be rooting for Katy. I do hope you guys beat the hell out of these guys. I hate everything about the Pacific Northwest. Probably has to do with my dislike for Nirvana and Coffee.

The women dress nice up there, Farmer and the climate keeps them looking young. Gotta be partial to alabaster rather than the Cali/Southern suntan/fakeboob look though :D

The Wet Mustard
03-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Webber was #26...Sr...was never at 100% the entire year
Jeffries(#24) sophomore became the go to back...but up great numbers but was injured in the second district game...was close to 500 yards at that time.
Jeffrey(#4) was actually a DB...moved to RB and did great.
Shep Klinke will Anchor the line along with some guys who are typical Katy-type linemen
IHOP returns at TE....a 6'6 head hunter who thinks he's a line backer.

Everyone on defense returning got lots of time last year. Tapong was the guy in the middle, but rotated with Bray and Sampa I think, so they got experience...all of the linebackers were under class men.

And of course...Hit Stick is back....and bigger.

Bray rotated with narcisse of wiens, hes an outside guy, and inside should be sampa along with senior quinto. He would have been varsity but a series of unfortunate event led to him not making practices and therefro not varsity last year

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 09:27 PM
Very good point. Yes we do traditionally start slow. Depends how slow on amount of returning starts.

The only years that we have gotten off to really fast starts are 05' and 00' not even 07' showed well in there first game on offense.

That being said we have 2 lineman returning and a TE. Thats half the line so they should be fairly experienced. a good core of Rbs as well so hopefully we can have the running game going somewhat by week 3.

The QB looks like its gunna be Soph Brooks Haak, or Sr. Stock. Either way they will be very inexperienced. So i won't expect the passing game to really get going till later in the year. But hopefully they can be good enough to keep a little bit of balance.

I dont expect Katy to be very explosive on offense, But I do see our defense ready to go. We return 8/11 starters. With Key players Like Sam Holl who is the run support from safety spot and Nick Narciesses at D-line. But most importantly all the line backers saw significant time last year and played 2 Wing-T teams so they atleast got some exposure to it.
We'll have to get back with you after the spring game. We will know more after then.

If that is the case, it was already brought up that Bellevue comes from a very affluent area so finding a kicker may not be a problem for them. What about Katy, what will their kicking game look like next year? Is Raul back? He nailed a 50 yarder or maybe a 42 yarder that would have been good from over 50 against Marcus. What about punting. COuld be a game of field possession.

dada
03-18-2009, 09:27 PM
Oh no, I have been paying attention. Katy never has talent and it takes them at least 6 games to get going. I never read anything about the youth being the reason why, just that it takes Coach Jo and company at least 6 games to get going starting with getting the line on the same page and then the skill players to follow.
FWIW, I think its safe to say that this is a game we all will be rooting for Katy. I do hope you guys beat the hell out of these guys. I hate everything about the Pacific Northwest. Probably has to do with my dislike for Nirvana and Coffee.

Last year only returned 2 starters so it took them awhile..it SHOULDNT be the case this year being that every starter will have atleast played last year

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 09:29 PM
If that is the case, it was already brought up that Bellevue comes from a very affluent area so finding a kicker may not be a problem for them. What about Katy, what will their kicking game look like next year? Is Raul back? He nailed a 50 yarder or maybe a 42 yarder that would have been good from over 50 against Marcus. What about punting. COuld be a game of field possession.


Raul is not back. But Katy usually has very good special teams. Last year was actually one of there weaker years as far as returning and covering. But we were really good in the field goal department. He will be missed.

Fleeman93
03-18-2009, 09:29 PM
Oh no, I have been paying attention. Katy never has talent and it takes them at least 6 games to get going. I never read anything about the youth being the reason why, just that it takes Coach Jo and company at least 6 games to get going starting with getting the line on the same page and then the skill players to follow.
FWIW, I think its safe to say that this is a game we all will be rooting for Katy. I do hope you guys beat the hell out of these guys. I hate everything about the Pacific Northwest. Probably has to do with my dislike for Nirvana and Coffee.

I certainly never said that Katy never has talent. I said that they usually don't have a lot of college talent.

The Wet Mustard
03-18-2009, 09:29 PM
If that is the case, it was already brought up that Bellevue comes from a very affluent area so finding a kicker may not be a problem for them. What about Katy, what will their kicking game look like next year? Is Raul back? He nailed a 50 yarder or maybe a 42 yarder that would have been good from over 50 against Marcus. What about punting. COuld be a game of field possession.

return the punter from last year
the kicker should be a jr to be that has hit 55-65 yarders in practice and i thinkg 45-50 in a jv game
Raul is gone

dada
03-18-2009, 09:29 PM
Bray rotated with narcisse of wiens, hes an outside guy, and inside should be sampa along with senior quinto. He would have been varsity but a series of unfortunate event led to him not making practices and therefro not varsity last year

Narcisse was raw talent....wild child...very disruptive....if they can harness that....Scouts will be camping out in Katy his Sr year.

farmerfan
03-18-2009, 09:30 PM
The women dress nice up there, Farmer and the climate keeps them looking young. Gotta be partial to alabaster rather than the Cali/Southern suntan/fakeboob look though :D

But they probably have no twang in their accent and drink more coffee than beer. They're also very liberal and green. No go for me. ;)

The Wet Mustard
03-18-2009, 09:31 PM
Narcisse was raw talent....wild child...very disruptive....if they can harness that....Scouts will be camping out in Katy his Sr year.

bray and he are very similar

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 09:32 PM
return the punter from last year
the kicker should be a jr to be that has hit 55-65 yarders in practice and i thinkg 45-50 in a jv game
Raul is gone


hmmmmmm

dada
03-18-2009, 09:32 PM
bray and he are very similar

What's the deal with Caleb Gary?....he COULD be the difference IMO.

The Wet Mustard
03-18-2009, 09:35 PM
What's the deal with Caleb Gary?....he COULD be the difference IMO.

ive only heard rumors about him, i dont hang with that cround but ill pm you what ive heard.

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 09:36 PM
ive only heard rumors about him, i dont hang with that cround but ill pm you what ive heard.

Me too

The Wet Mustard
03-18-2009, 09:39 PM
Me too

if your asking for what ive heard, then just ask dada.
If you are also a student and are stating that you too only know rumors then lets compare, did I lose you?

ftballin11
03-18-2009, 09:40 PM
if your asking for what ive heard, then just ask dada.
If you are also a student and are stating that you too only know rumors then lets compare, did I lose you?

Man i havent been in the school in 4 years. I just wanted to know who he was and what u heard. I like being on the inside.

The Wet Mustard
03-18-2009, 09:45 PM
Man i havent been in the school in 4 years. I just wanted to know who he was and what u heard. I like being on the inside.

K your In

SLC
03-18-2009, 10:01 PM
DLS is a primary veer team but your point is well taken.;)



With the different variations, there is very little diference in the two offenses.

SLC
03-18-2009, 10:04 PM
Watch out Katy then.

Haha..If they were playing Vances Panthers then maybe.

SLC
03-18-2009, 10:27 PM
I'd say the differences, if there are any, between those Brownwood team's and the way they execute versus Bellevue are so small they would be near indiscernable. Vance has got a good thing going, too, no doubt but I think there is a noticeable difference between where they're at and where Bellevue is/Brownwood was.


Wasn't video on them, you would have had to seen his teams live...I did, I was 10 the last time he had teams that ran it to perfection. My grandad to me to see them in '78, '79, '80 and '81. Gordons teams ran it to perfection when they were on. Jerry Vance' Panthers do the same. Jerry Vance coaches and his teams run the second best wing t I've ever seen and its only second to Brownwood.

steeler 01
03-18-2009, 10:51 PM
neutral crowd in a city and state you are familiar with.

And as far as the MNW/SLC game...what if the game was at Dragon stadium?
There would have been roughly 19,000 fewer people there :cool:

Exactly

SLC
03-18-2009, 10:55 PM
Can anyone give me a reason why they think Bellevue will beat Katy, at Rhodes, traveling to Texas for the first time against what should be a solid defense, besides "They run the Wing T better than anyone"

I need more than that....seriously.

Disciplined tough physical maul ball.

kttxboy1254
03-18-2009, 11:19 PM
just thought you men would like to see whats being said on the washington boards.

"Sauna sales are going to go up on the Eastside for acclimation training. LOL. I remember 105 degree days my boys would play in Oklahoma. When my oldest son played for Union Redskins (Tulsa, OK), they didn't focus on humidity, temps and 25,000 folks at Skelly Stadium (Home of TU). They just focused on the a** whippin. It's true humidity will be tough. But in reading some texas posts, they seem more confident in their humidity and size of stadiums being more of a factor than their team, or at least really hopin for it. One guy in the 5atexasfootball.com site is hoping for 97 degrees for that game. Stuff like that makes them sound like they are hoping for weather help. LOL"

I like this argument. We're good just because we're from Texas.

"Just shut up and play football"

Make me laugh.

SLC
03-18-2009, 11:26 PM
just thought you men would like to see whats being said on the washington boards.

"Sauna sales are going to go up on the Eastside for acclimation training. LOL. I remember 105 degree days my boys would play in Oklahoma. When my oldest son played for Union Redskins (Tulsa, OK), they didn't focus on humidity, temps and 25,000 folks at Skelly Stadium (Home of TU). They just focused on the a** whippin. It's true humidity will be tough. But in reading some texas posts, they seem more confident in their humidity and size of stadiums being more of a factor than their team, or at least really hopin for it. One guy in the 5atexasfootball.com site is hoping for 97 degrees for that game. Stuff like that makes them sound like they are hoping for weather help. LOL"

I like this argument. We're good just because we're from Texas.

"Just shut up and play football"

Make me laugh.


Link?

The King
03-19-2009, 12:03 AM
Raul is not back. But Katy usually has very good special teams. Last year was actually one of there weaker years as far as returning and covering. But we were really good in the field goal department. He will be missed.

You haven't seen too much game film from the 90's when we pooched every kick

SLC
03-19-2009, 12:06 AM
This Bellevue team isn't affraid of anybody... On Sep. 19th, 7 days after they play Katy, they will be playing the defending state champs from California as well.

That says alot about what they think their going to accomplish next season. Kudos to them...buck up boys.

The King
03-19-2009, 12:10 AM
The little RB that you can't tackle in a phonebooth is back. Jeffrey or Jeffries. I get confused. He's a senior in 09 I think. He's very good.

shh we want everyone to forget about him

kttxboy1254
03-19-2009, 12:18 AM
Link?



check your pm's

Dynastybegan86
03-19-2009, 12:19 AM
This Bellevue team isn't affraid of anybody... On Sep. 19th, 7 days after they play Katy, they will be playing the defending state champs from California as well.

That says alot about what they think their going to accomplish next season. Kudos to them...buck up boys.

That's great! No reason to be skeered! All they have to do is "shut up and play football"

I'll say this, meaning this is my OPINION, Katy won't be as good as advertised. Last years team was much better. Mindset plays a role in football. If this team can stay focused on the old adage one game at a time, then they will be ok. This team will lose some games. I am not ready to give them the championship yet.....that is the district championship mind you. They should make the play-offs and have a decent run, but only time will tell. I think the Spring game will tell us more.

As far as everyone using the weather as a reason for a possible Katy win, I think it is silly. It's a 48 minute game for both teams, that's where I do think Katy has an advantage....DEPTH. All the other factors mean nothing, ie: weather, stadium, travel etc. It's a football game, execution is the key-----> .

Dynastybegan86
03-19-2009, 12:20 AM
check your pm's

Hit me too! Thanks!

kttxboy1254
03-19-2009, 12:25 AM
Hit me too! Thanks!

done.

twcpfan1
03-19-2009, 12:31 AM
Let's be realistic. Travel, weather, HFA, crowd, etc is worth at least 14 -17 pts to Katy.

Props to Bellevue for putting their championship legacy on the line against pretty significant odds. Do not know of too many Texas teams who would have the stones to do the same.

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 12:34 AM
done.

You wouldn't mind would you?

farmerfan
03-19-2009, 12:37 AM
You wouldn't mind would you?

Ditto that.

Did I miss something where we are no longer allowed to post links to other message boards or something?

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 12:40 AM
Ditto that.

Did I miss something where we are no longer allowed to post links to other message boards or something?

Maybe he thinks we will troll the Wash. Boards....:cool:

farmerfan
03-19-2009, 12:47 AM
Maybe he thinks we will troll the Wash. Boards....:cool:

AHH. I mean I bet its not like 5ATexasfootball.com is quoted in every 2-3 post over there in regards to this game. :confused:

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 12:50 AM
AHH. I mean I bet its not like 5ATexasfootball.com is quoted in every 2-3 post over there in regards to this game. :confused:

We're famous. I'm close to saying something so outrageous about this game in hope that I will be quoted as bulletin board material over in Seattle. I would be honored....

kttxboy1254
03-19-2009, 12:54 AM
Ditto that.

Did I miss something where we are no longer allowed to post links to other message boards or something?

done and done

farmerfan
03-19-2009, 12:57 AM
done and done

Thank you sir

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 01:40 AM
From the Washington Board.....

What never changes is how desperate Texans live and breathe by Football

There is your difference, it speaks volumes.....

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 01:54 AM
Welcome to our newest member, Bellevue Smack

Bring it, Bud.

dada
03-19-2009, 07:39 AM
I think we should just delete this thread and get out priorites right.

How about "Katy vs North Shore @Rhodes"

rwilleby
03-19-2009, 07:43 AM
I think we should just delete this thread and get out priorites right.

How about "Katy vs North Shore @Rhodes"

You are now known as "Wise Black Tiger"...

dada
03-19-2009, 07:46 AM
You are now known as "Wise Black Tiger"...

I like that....But I would save the "wise" part for "Short Tiger"

SLC93
03-19-2009, 07:46 AM
Let's be realistic. Travel, weather, HFA, crowd, etc is worth at least 14 -17 pts to Katy.

Props to Bellevue for putting their championship legacy on the line against pretty significant odds. Do not know of too many Texas teams who would have the stones to do the same.

Did we learn nothing from the Carroll/MNW game? So many of the same type of comments that were made leading up to that one are being repeated here. MNW was operating on a different level in the talent department. Maybe that is why they appeared to be effected so little. I can't say this enough, though. Bellevue is the best their state has to offer and has been for well over a decade. The are ruthlessly efficient and extremely well prepared. They have a history of playing and beating the best in California. A program like this is not bothered by a crowd or being on the road. Dynasty made a very astute comment with regard to the weather. The only reason weather may be a factor is because of the depth advantage Katy will have. Aside from that remember that Bellevue is a smashmouth, physical team. They will be in top condition and ready to play at a hiogh level. Does that mean they beat Katy? I don't believe so but let's not allow ourselves to be deluded twice.

rwilleby
03-19-2009, 07:49 AM
Eh... BVue is just the topic de jour...

pied
03-19-2009, 08:01 AM
Let's be realistic. Travel, weather, HFA, crowd, etc is worth at least 14 -17 pts to Katy.

Props to Bellevue for putting their championship legacy on the line against pretty significant odds. Do not know of too many Texas teams who would have the stones to do the same.

Do you want to give me 21 points and Bellvue?

twcpfan1
03-19-2009, 08:41 AM
Did we learn nothing from the Carroll/MNW game? So many of the same type of comments that were made leading up to that one are being repeated here. MNW was operating on a different level in the talent department. Maybe that is why they appeared to be effected so little. I can't say this enough, though. Bellevue is the best their state has to offer and has been for well over a decade. The are ruthlessly efficient and extremely well prepared. They have a history of playing and beating the best in California. A program like this is not bothered by a crowd or being on the road. Dynasty made a very astute comment with regard to the weather. The only reason weather may be a factor is because of the depth advantage Katy will have. Aside from that remember that Bellevue is a smashmouth, physical team. They will be in top condition and ready to play at a hiogh level. Does that mean they beat Katy? I don't believe so but let's not allow ourselves to be deluded twice.

1. Katy wll not be coached by a dude coaching his first Katy game like Carroll was.

2. The weather will be a factor. Miami heat and humidity does not equal Seattle's. The game was at Ford Field not Dragon Stadium

3. I'm giving Katy 14. Does not mean Bellevue is not a 10 pt better side in neutral territory so the margin of victory probably will be closer than the 'points spread'

4. Not disrespecting Bellevue at all like people disrespected MNW. They have a coach who has been there a while and seem to be very fundamentally sound. They do not make the national rankings consistently because they're bad. Matter of fact I would probably pick them in neutral ground if in fact they are the best in their state. Katy was not the best in our state last year.

5. The outcome I'm predicting for this particular game given the conditions. Katy by about 7.

twcpfan1
03-19-2009, 08:44 AM
Do you want to give me 21 points and Bellvue?
I'll give you 7 at Rhodes if you give me 10 at Mercer Island. (of course I don't know where their stadium is. But Mercer Island is close and it sounds good)

Not saying Katy is the better team. Just saying the conditions will help them a lot.

85Roughneck
03-19-2009, 08:50 AM
wearing red makes you louder...

you are correct, sir, yeeeeeeessssss ... :notworthy

:D

85Roughneck
03-19-2009, 08:56 AM
If you hit'em hard enough they won't make the catch no matter what size;).....greg moved to wr and D30 has been filling out db...

you are absolutely right ... I just think the addition of height to aggression is just added insurance to help avoid what happened in OT against 5 farms last year. I'm not taking anything away from the Katy DBs of late or knocking the same in any way, but it stands to reason that a tall/aggresive DB stands a better chance of defending a 6'-6" WR than a DB that is 6-8 inches shorter than the WR. ... that's all I'm sayin' and it really goes without sayin'

85Roughneck
03-19-2009, 09:06 AM
Two things.

First, If I'm a Katy fan I am hoping that Texasfrog stays as quiet as possible until this game is over.

Second, I am seeing a lot of confidence in the Katy fans which is good, but my question to them is, I thought it took Katy at least 6 games to get the ship sailing straight, this is what, the 3rd game of the season? Are the members of the Katy nation not expecting it to take at least 6 games to get the maching rolling this year? :eek:;)

any chance we can keep you quiet along with the frog ?

... just kiddin' of course, bro !!! :D

regardless of what you or anybody else thinks, it doesn't take Katy 6 games to start rollin' that Big Red Train. Most high school football systems knock the rust off during August ... Katy's system does not allow rust to set in ... ;) the steam is building in the boiler, my friend, and the train will be leaving the station on time come September. As the train passes through your town we'll be glad to make a quick whistle stop and deliver punishment throughout the north on the way to another championship. :cool:

rwilleby
03-19-2009, 09:08 AM
Number 1. We are Katy fans... Rabid. Opinionated. Supportive.
Number 2. We think we are going to win before the boys take the field... So do the boys...
Number 3. We appreciate the chance to play the best because you cannot become the best without doing so...
Number 4. We respect our opponent but do like to have a little fun with them on the board...
Number 5. We won't overlook BVue BUT we will really focus on what they have to bring after NS and TWHS...
Number 6. It's March!

85Roughneck
03-19-2009, 09:08 AM
5 starters on offense (2 OL, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB)

That could be expanded to 6 if you include the starts the second RB got. He was out of commission from district play through the playoffs due to an injury. He was on the verge of earning the starting job before that happened. Will Jeffery stepped in as the starter with Michael Webber when Vernon Jeffries went down, and 10 weeks later he collected the state game MVP award.

7 on defense (1 DL, 3 LB, 3 DB) plus a couple more DL and a raft of LBs who played a significant number of snaps.

in short ... PLENTY !!! :cool:

The King
03-19-2009, 09:17 AM
I think we should just delete this thread and get out priorites right.

How about "Katy vs North Shore @Rhodes"

Agreed!

We have supplied enough bullitin board material for the Bellevue feildhouse for an entire season much less one game

New order of priorities

1: North Shore
2: The Woodlands
3: Bellevue
4: FM Marcus
5: Westbrook??
6: District
7: Playoffs

85Roughneck
03-19-2009, 09:18 AM
Raul is not back. But Katy usually has very good special teams. Last year was actually one of there weaker years as far as returning and covering. But we were really good in the field goal department. He will be missed.

was Killion a senior too? if not, he did a fine job when Raul was out.

dada
03-19-2009, 09:19 AM
was Killion a senior too? if not, he did a fine job when Raul was out.

I think so.....
Hurtado(sp) will be the punter I think...

85Roughneck
03-19-2009, 09:21 AM
But they probably have no twang in their accent and drink more coffee than beer. They're also very liberal and green. No go for me. ;)

+1 ... Danny, give me all the brown skin and fake boobs gals that you don't want ... I'll take care of them for ya' ;)

SLC93
03-19-2009, 09:37 AM
+1 ... Danny, give me all the brown skin and fake boobs gals that you don't want ... I'll take care of them for ya' ;)

mmmmmmmmmmmmm .................... :D

twcpfan1
03-19-2009, 10:25 AM
you are correct, sir, yeeeeeeessssss ... :notworthy

:D

You don't remember what I said to everyone when both Katy and SV walked on to the field at Rice? The red jerseys make them look bigger than what they are :D

dada
03-19-2009, 10:31 AM
You don't remember what I said to everyone when both Katy and SV walked on to the field at Rice? The red jerseys make them look bigger than what they are :D

They haven't lost a game in the red jerseys since 06...hopefully that trend contiunes.

Fleeman93
03-19-2009, 10:32 AM
You don't remember what I said to everyone when both Katy and SV walked on to the field at Rice? The red jerseys make them look bigger than what they are :D

It's not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog.

dada
03-19-2009, 10:33 AM
It's not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog.

and the number of dogs in the pack....and who the dog trainer is:D

slcdragonfan
03-19-2009, 10:33 AM
It's not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog.

Yep, my papillon can whip any Doberman out there....;)

twcpfan1
03-19-2009, 10:35 AM
It's not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog.

In this case, Katy was a much bigger, more physical team than SV no matter what color jersey they were wearing.

The Wet Mustard
03-19-2009, 10:46 AM
I think so.....
Hurtado(sp) will be the punter I think...

yes killion is gone,
Hurtado will be the punter and a jr to be will be kicking the fgs, kickoffs is a ?

dada
03-19-2009, 10:58 AM
IHOP commited to Stanford. So that's what 3 commitments already?

Mong Hu
03-19-2009, 11:03 AM
I don't know that anyone believes Bellevue will win this game. That said this is the best program in the state of Washington. They have a ton of tradition, scores of championships, run a little seen anymore offense to perfection and have a history of slaying giants. All I'm arguing is that they are a threat and command alot of respect. This is no Cy Bay.

SLC93,

The Wing T is actually an offense that is run widely through out the country. It is not an offense that has been run widely in Texas as of late but it is run with great success in much of the country. I did not realize this until I left Texas. I moved into a school that ran the Wing T and have since coached it at the same school. I have a hunch that they run their wing T with a double wing flare. The double wing, as run in the Pacific North West is a little different and very effective. The reason I believe that the Bellevue Wing T is influenced by the double wing is the alignment of Bellevue's OL. Notice how far off the ball they are. They are practically in the backfield. This is done intentionally to give pullers better lanes and prevent the D-Line from being able to disrupt the pullers (The officiating crew, from Texas I assume, will not be used to this and may call Bellevue once or twice for not having enough players on the LOS. Bellevue's coaches no doubt will be in the officials ear before the game explaining this). If this holds you should see a good 2-3 yards between Katy's Dline (which traditionally does not crowd the ball but rather backs off the ball to allow the defense to read and react) and Bellevues Oline. It will look odd. Their plays however did look more plain vanilla double wing (i.e. cross buck). I did not see a super power which is a more traditional double wing play but I bet they have a variation of it in their arsenal.

dada
03-19-2009, 11:06 AM
SLC93,

The Wing T is actually an offense that is run widely through out the country. It is not an offense that has been run widely in Texas as of late but it is run with great success in much of the country. I did not realize this until I left Texas. I moved into a school that ran the Wing T and have since coached it at the same school. I have a hunch that they run their wing T with a double wing flare. The double wing, as run in the Pacific North West is a little different and very effective. The reason I believe that the Bellevue Wing T is influenced by the double wing is the alignment of Bellevue's OL. Notice how far off the ball they are. They are practically in the backfield. This is done intentionally to give pullers better lanes and prevent the D-Line from being able to disrupt the pullers (The officiating crew, from Texas I assume, will not be used to this and may call Bellevue once or twice for not having enough players on the LOS. Bellevue's coaches no doubt will be in the officials ear before the game explaining this). If this holds you should see a good 2-3 yards between Katy's Dline (which traditionally does not crowd the ball but rather backs off the ball to allow the defense to read and react) and Bellevues Oline. It will look odd. Their plays however did look more plain vanilla double wing (i.e. cross buck). I did not see a super power which is a more traditional double wing play but I bet they have a variation of it in their arsenal.

Great points, same questions I had. Do they play by NCAA rules in Washington and with the linemen so far back from the line, wouldnt that be an illegal formation?

The Wet Mustard
03-19-2009, 11:21 AM
IHOP commited to Stanford. So that's what 3 commitments already?

Swanson,klinke and....?
Holl?


I know by the end of the season we could see 5-6+ d1 signees, this is going to kill our we dont have tallent arguement

the three above plus stock as an athlete, maybe jones, fisher, barley, gonzalez.
all of those guys are low level d-1 guys maybe d-2 or d-1aa w/e

dada
03-19-2009, 11:24 AM
Swanson,klinke and....?
Holl?


I know by the end of the season we could see 5-6+ d1 signees, this is going to kill our we dont have tallent arguement

the three above plus stock as an athlete, maybe jones, fisher, barley, gonzalez.
all of those guys are low level d-1 guys maybe d-2 or d-1aa w/e

Not yet for Holl...but it's a given. What do you know about Conner Cox...hearing a lot about him

The Wet Mustard
03-19-2009, 11:36 AM
Great points, same questions I had. Do they play by NCAA rules in Washington and with the linemen so far back from the line, wouldnt that be an illegal formation?

this is a comparison of rules of the nfhs(rules that washington goes by) and ncaa(rules that texas is based on)
http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmanager/uploads/2007%20Major%20NF-NCAA%20FB%20Rules%20Differences.pdf

The Wet Mustard
03-19-2009, 11:38 AM
Not yet for Holl...but it's a given. What do you know about Conner Cox...hearing a lot about him

Kid is huge, 6-2 maybe 265 or more
jr to be
will be a starter, was on varsity last year but didnt play(played jv and suited up all year, got some time in Playoffs)
has a twin sister like klinke
dropped about 300 lbs of wierght on his sisters ipod LOL
hes smart also

SLC93
03-19-2009, 11:41 AM
SLC93,

The Wing T is actually an offense that is run widely through out the country. It is not an offense that has been run widely in Texas as of late but it is run with great success in much of the country. I did not realize this until I left Texas. I moved into a school that ran the Wing T and have since coached it at the same school. I have a hunch that they run their wing T with a double wing flare. The double wing, as run in the Pacific North West is a little different and very effective. The reason I believe that the Bellevue Wing T is influenced by the double wing is the alignment of Bellevue's OL. Notice how far off the ball they are. They are practically in the backfield. This is done intentionally to give pullers better lanes and prevent the D-Line from being able to disrupt the pullers (The officiating crew, from Texas I assume, will not be used to this and may call Bellevue once or twice for not having enough players on the LOS. Bellevue's coaches no doubt will be in the officials ear before the game explaining this). If this holds you should see a good 2-3 yards between Katy's Dline (which traditionally does not crowd the ball but rather backs off the ball to allow the defense to read and react) and Bellevues Oline. It will look odd. Their plays however did look more plain vanilla double wing (i.e. cross buck). I did not see a super power which is a more traditional double wing play but I bet they have a variation of it in their arsenal.


Good to hear from you again and great stuff. I should have clairified that a bit more. In Texas you don't see it much. We've gone to so many spread variations and pro sets that even a power team like Trinity is almost an oddity, let along a wing or option set. There are many states where this could still be considered the base formation, i.e. Georgia.

Dynastybegan86
03-19-2009, 12:34 PM
Not yet for Holl...but it's a given. What do you know about Conner Cox...hearing a lot about him

Conner will be a beast on the oline!:cool:

Dynastybegan86
03-19-2009, 12:36 PM
Great points, same questions I had. Do they play by NCAA rules in Washington and with the linemen so far back from the line, wouldnt that be an illegal formation?

Guess I'll be yelling my normal.... "IT'S YELLOW AND IT'S IN YOUR POCKET!" stuff:D

TigerBrother
03-19-2009, 12:55 PM
Can a brother get a link to bvue board..........

rwilleby
03-19-2009, 01:09 PM
Can a brother get a link to bvue board..........

Just post the dang thing... Or PM me too, please...

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 01:12 PM
http://forums.seattletimes.nwsource.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=55

rwilleby
03-19-2009, 01:16 PM
http://forums.seattletimes.nwsource.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=55

Ahhh... Thanks... Now something else to read... Ha!

BDB
03-19-2009, 01:37 PM
Guess I'll be yelling my normal.... "IT'S YELLOW AND IT'S IN YOUR POCKET!" stuff:D

i thought i was the only one. also "don't look too close, you might miss it again".

BDB
03-19-2009, 01:38 PM
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/member.php?u=12780

let's hope "smack" isn't this year's nwbull.

85Roughneck
03-19-2009, 02:14 PM
and the number of dogs in the pack....and who the dog trainer is:D

and the breed of dog matters too, a crossbreed between Bengal Tigers and Rottweilers might get in the same ballpark as the Katy boys ... :D

if I tell ya' this dog can pull a 20-car freight train, you better hook the mutha up, shut up, back up, and watch it roll up da' tracks ... :cool:

svhorns
03-19-2009, 02:23 PM
http://forums.seattletimes.nwsource.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=55

Alright... I made my contribution.

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 02:26 PM
Alright... I made my contribution.

Awesome.

rocketgrl94
03-19-2009, 02:27 PM
Awesome.

you mean awesomeness!:D

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 02:28 PM
you mean awesomeness!:D

stfu

rocketgrl94
03-19-2009, 02:29 PM
stfu

daaaang be nice on this side of the board!

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 02:31 PM
daaaang be nice on this side of the board!

You wouldn't know, all you post on is the yard.

rocketgrl94
03-19-2009, 02:31 PM
You wouldn't know, all you post on is the yard.

no, incorrect

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 02:33 PM
no, incorrect

Ok, so .00023% of your posts are here....

rocketgrl94
03-19-2009, 02:34 PM
Ok, so .00023% of your posts are here....

not about me its about Katy vs. Bellevue

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 02:35 PM
not about me its about Katy vs. Bellvue

Just like all the other threads aren't about you....:rolleyes:

svhorns
03-19-2009, 02:36 PM
lol. You two. Out. Now.

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 02:36 PM
lol. You two. Out. Now.

Shut up Troll....

svhorns
03-19-2009, 02:41 PM
Shut up Troll....

Sherry was a waitress at the only joint in town...

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 02:41 PM
Sherry was a waitress at the only joint in town...

Don't get all mushy with me....

svhorns
03-19-2009, 02:47 PM
Don't get all mushy with me....

At least I have rocketgrl on a leash. She obliged to my request.

rocketgrl94
03-19-2009, 02:50 PM
At least I have rocketgrl on a leash. She obliged to my request.

one more thing and im outta this.... stop messin' up their thread you 2!

svhorns
03-19-2009, 02:53 PM
one more thing and im outta this.... stop messin' up their thread you 2!

It's March 19th and it's already 20+ pages long... it'll pick back up... trust me.

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 02:59 PM
one more thing and im outta this.... stop messin' up their thread you 2!

I made plenty of good posts here until you came along...

62tiger
03-19-2009, 03:06 PM
this is correct ... 8th grade right now I believe.


5 boys and one little princess!

Bret would have been a very good DB.......but he made the right choice. Now playing CF for Texas State.

Quinn(8th Grade) is jokingly called the "Prodigy" by the 4 older bro's.

85,

You are right.....My dad played for the NY FB Giants in the late 40's. Sandy's dad played FB at Columbia University too.


So you guys are stuck with me for 4 1/2 more years!


Can't wait for the first game.......It is the only game I am talking about. Period!

Bass
03-19-2009, 03:53 PM
5 boys and one little princess!

Bret would have been a very good DB.......but he made the right choice. Now playing CF for Texas State.

Quinn(8th Grade) is jokingly called the "Prodigy" by the 4 older bro's.

85,

You are right.....My dad played for the NY FB Giants in the late 40's. Sandy's dad played FB at Columbia University too.


So you guys are stuck with me for 4 1/2 more years!


Can't wait for the first game.......It is the only game I am talking about. Period!
How soon can we get the first 62 prediction of the year? :laugh

TigerBrother
03-19-2009, 04:44 PM
Damn I'm tired since I just went to Washington and back in one day...Do I win some kind of reward or something for being the first one quoted on the Seattle board..:outlaw..........now for the real problem svhorns your like message board herpes I couldn't stand you when you ran your mouth about how sv was going to kill Katy...FAIL....(see the state championship trophy tucked behind the other five for futher confirmation of your fail...)so then you went away cause we treated you with a little Katy ***-kicking treatment now here we go with another break-out of you again..Don't go running your mouth on the Seattle board making us Texans look bad... nothing personal I just don't like you..:rolleyes:

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 05:04 PM
Damn I'm tired since I just went to Washington and back in one day...Do I win some kind of reward or something for being the first one quoted on the Seattle board..:outlaw..........now for the real problem svhorns your like message board herpes I couldn't stand you when you ran your mouth about how sv was going to kill Katy...FAIL....(see the state championship trophy tucked behind the other five for futher confirmation of your fail...)so then you went away cause we treated you with a little Katy ***-kicking treatment now here we go with another break-out of you again..Don't go running your mouth on the Seattle board making us Texans look bad... nothing personal I just don't like you..:rolleyes:

:notworthy

BDB
03-19-2009, 05:07 PM
Damn I'm tired since I just went to Washington and back in one day...Do I win some kind of reward or something for being the first one quoted on the Seattle board..:outlaw..........now for the real problem svhorns your like message board herpes I couldn't stand you when you ran your mouth about how sv was going to kill Katy...FAIL....(see the state championship trophy tucked behind the other five for futher confirmation of your fail...)so then you went away cause we treated you with a little Katy ***-kicking treatment now here we go with another break-out of you again..Don't go running your mouth on the Seattle board making us Texans look bad... nothing personal I just don't like you..:rolleyes:

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/STFU_NOOB.jpg

nothing personal.... i just like svhorns

Katy06Tiger
03-19-2009, 05:56 PM
I don't care what happens the rest of the season... Northshore, TWHS and Cinco are the three games... Win those and we've made our year...


(NOT! Just trying to use some of the Cinco strategery here... We all know the real goal, 16-0)

No I want another state title and maybe another team of the decade title

SLC
03-19-2009, 06:07 PM
Haha..I noticed on the Seattle bords that cougmantx said that Katy will be playing the Houston power house North Shore...:D


I laugh because I see North Shore and power house in the same sentence....even for Houston.:D

steeler 01
03-19-2009, 06:10 PM
If I'm a Katy fan I am hoping that Texasfrog stays as quiet as possible until this game is over.



I'd be surprised if that happens. I think his new location will be Seattle in a month or two.;);):D

cougmantx
03-19-2009, 06:19 PM
Haha..I noticed on the Seattle bords that cougmantx said that Katy will be playing the Houston power house North Shore...:D


I laugh because I see North Shore and power house in the same sentence....even for Houston.:D


Come on SLC...we gotta give the props where they are deserved. North Shore has a 78 game winning streak in regular season. In the same paragraph I also gave Woodlands credit for kicking our butt last year...

Pipe in on their BB anytime. I suspect SLC will have something to say about this game before we play it..

svhorns
03-19-2009, 06:34 PM
Damn I'm tired since I just went to Washington and back in one day...Do I win some kind of reward or something for being the first one quoted on the Seattle board..:outlaw..........now for the real problem svhorns your like message board herpes I couldn't stand you when you ran your mouth about how sv was going to kill Katy...FAIL....(see the state championship trophy tucked behind the other five for futher confirmation of your fail...)so then you went away cause we treated you with a little Katy ***-kicking treatment now here we go with another break-out of you again..Don't go running your mouth on the Seattle board making us Texans look bad... nothing personal I just don't like you..:rolleyes:

First of all I never said SV would kill Katy... 2nd of all... Take the stick out of your a$$... It was all done in light hearted humor... as in it was a joke you grumpy bastar.d... I could have posted under a psuedo name but I didn't think it was necessary because I figured the Katy folk would understand that I was only joking around. I'm glad you've made an assumption of who I am based on what I post on a message board... I guess you're still mad because I called you a Potato Head... lol... once again done in light hearted humor... you'll see much worse written on that board once the game gets a little bit closer... grow a pair of huevos you nancy boy... or take the crying to your mama.

svhorns
03-19-2009, 06:41 PM
:notworthy

Aggies2009 > F18mustang in every possible way.

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 06:46 PM
Aggies2009 > F18mustang in every possible way.

Sv, I love you. :D

But really, it wasn't much of a knock on you. Just admiring that he had the balls and grounds to come out and say something like that.

62tiger
03-19-2009, 06:53 PM
First of all I never said SV would kill Katy... 2nd of all... Take the stick out of your a$$... It was all done in light hearted humor... as in it was a joke you grumpy bastar.d... I could have posted under a psuedo name but I didn't think it was necessary because I figured the Katy folk would understand that I was only joking around. I'm glad you've made an assumption of who I am based on what I post on a message board... I guess you're still mad because I called you a Potato Head... lol... once again done in light hearted humor... you'll see much worse written on that board once the game gets a little bit closer... grow a pair of huevos you nancy boy... or take the crying to your mama.

Now thats funny

kttxboy1254
03-19-2009, 07:14 PM
did you guys really have to be so in depth on those BBQ descriptions on the WA board? your killin me. nothing in cal measures up.:(

TigerBrother
03-19-2009, 07:20 PM
wow Nancy boy...I figured a dushbag like you could come up with something better then that, and I'm the one who can't take a joke..

cougmantx
03-19-2009, 07:21 PM
did you guys really have to be so in depth on those BBQ descriptions on the WA board? your killin me. nothing in cal measures up.:(

Send an address, we'll overnight a brisket to you the next time I make some! :D

svhorns
03-19-2009, 07:22 PM
waaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaa mommy where's my bottle waaaaaaaaaaaaa

http://www.ed2010.com/files/images/sad%20baby.preview.jpg

ftballin11
03-19-2009, 07:23 PM
wow Nancy boy...I figured a dushbag like you could come up with something better then that, and I'm the one who can't take a joke..


Calm down there buddy. SV is just the way he is. Oh and it's ****** bag.

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 07:23 PM
http://www.ed2010.com/files/images/sad%20baby.preview.jpg

:notworthy

Happy?

Owned05
03-19-2009, 07:26 PM
Dbag is thrown around so loosely now a days.





And I like it.

Ya bunch of douchers.

kttxboy1254
03-19-2009, 07:29 PM
Send an address, we'll overnight a brisket to you the next time I make some! :D


very very enticing cougman!! and thanks but ill wait till i get home to take you up on that. hopefully ill get home for at least one game, maybe two:)

cougmantx
03-19-2009, 07:30 PM
very very enticing cougman!! and thanks but ill wait till i get home to take you up on that. hopefully ill get home for at least one game, maybe two:)

What year did you graduate?

TigerBrother
03-19-2009, 07:31 PM
...LOL...DAMN YOUR A UGLY BABY...was this picture taken at Rice stadium in December last year..:notworthy:notworthy thats 2 for back to back..

svhorns
03-19-2009, 07:35 PM
...LOL...DAMN YOUR A UGLY BABY...was this picture taken at Rice stadium in December last year..:notworthy:notworthy thats 2 for back to back..

Yea that's me... and yes the picture was taken at Rice stadium after we had our butts handed to us. It was also taken after we lost to SLC in state championship in 2004-05.

TigerBrother
03-19-2009, 07:38 PM
your all right in my book you potato head..

Dynastybegan86
03-19-2009, 07:38 PM
5 boys and one little princess!

Bret would have been a very good DB.......but he made the right choice. Now playing CF for Texas State.

Quinn(8th Grade) is jokingly called the "Prodigy" by the 4 older bro's.

85,

You are right.....My dad played for the NY FB Giants in the late 40's. Sandy's dad played FB at Columbia University too.


So you guys are stuck with me for 4 1/2 more years!

Can't wait for the first game.......It is the only game I am talking about. Period!

Really?:D I just expect to see you at halftime to give me the run down on how we are doing!:cool:

svhorns
03-19-2009, 07:41 PM
your all right in my book you potato head..

Thanks brother. I'll most likely be in Houston on the day of the game wearing Katy red.

kttxboy1254
03-19-2009, 07:42 PM
What year did you graduate?

05' good sir

Dynastybegan86
03-19-2009, 07:45 PM
Thanks brother. I'll most likely be in Houston on the day of the game wearing Katy red.

You better come by the tailgate and eat!! Be sure to wear your SV hat with that Katy Back-to-Back State Championship shirt though!:D

svhorns
03-19-2009, 07:48 PM
You better come by the tailgate and eat!! Be sure to wear your SV hat with that Katy Back-to-Back State Championship shirt though!:D

LOL LOL... It might be a little intimidating to tailgate with "the section!" But ya'll are a great group of people and I intend to shake hands with all of you.

Dynastybegan86
03-19-2009, 07:55 PM
LOL LOL... It might be a little intimidating to tailgate with "the section!" But ya'll are a great group of people and I intend to shake hands with all of you.

That's why we like you! You can dish and scoop with the best of them, well most of them, not me of course:eek:

cougmantx
03-19-2009, 07:55 PM
05' good sir

Graduated with my middle daughter then...

My youngest graduated in 2008...

KT2000
03-19-2009, 08:06 PM
... grow a pair of huevos you nancy boy... or take the crying to your mama.

You want him to grow a pair of eggs?

Just when I thought it couldn't get any weirder around here.

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 08:07 PM
You want him to grow a pair of eggs?

Just when I thought it couldn't get any weirder around here.

http://smiliesftw.com/x/popcorn_1.gif

svhorns
03-19-2009, 08:12 PM
You want him to grow a pair of eggs?

Just when I thought it couldn't get any weirder around here.

Si senor... fue estupido decir.

kttxboy1254
03-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Graduated with my middle daughter then...

My youngest graduated in 2008...

both good years. my sis was 08'

BDB
03-19-2009, 08:33 PM
You want him to grow a pair of eggs?

Just when I thought it couldn't get any weirder around here.

chupas mis huevos.

translate it....
dooooooooooooooooooo it

jesse
03-19-2009, 08:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBBvu4DnId8

The wing -t with speed. No way Bellevue runs this stone age offense better than Lowndes.

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 08:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBBvu4DnId8

The wing -t with speed. No way Bellevue runs this stone age offense better than Lowndes.

Agreed. A part of me wants to think the Valdosta schools are better than Bellevue.

jesse
03-19-2009, 08:41 PM
Agreed. A part of me wants to think the Valdosta schools are better than Bellevue.

And here is Camden beating Hoover like a red headed step child:D. And Camden averages about 280 across the o-line. But slow they are not.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7K6hMmaHqM&playnext=2&p=FA9CC46B74C71D2A&index=6&feature=PlayList&playnext_from=PL&ytsession=LBdFOOeSgfifXVxBmn3kZur-o-jOflfgPzGcY7IkMtQTIW7LOSf5paRY4DC-7uJVP1PaLw614l4U-4f2cLTLN13VE4G2I44DOVfVS1Fds9U6XBGKiUzTZnxYlMFtCxd WheujYcZIBTPGIyt5mHew_9Cyh6L9UAi5uOB_0iL7EvVxv5pnX DgiGuKhbbcZ8cOrZrz2R6prrxelTVsgnQO6jhSa7xCFkSY-NuZwlqp_55FUa_F6DNeonl5sUu_jx6_K

kttxboy1254
03-19-2009, 08:43 PM
anyone seen this vid. i know its not these same kids but they look solid and legit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtemwVvuWls

F18mustang
03-19-2009, 08:43 PM
Ha! I hate Whoover almost as much as I hate Dook.

Owned05
03-19-2009, 08:45 PM
anyone seen this vid. i know its not these same kids but they look solid and legit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtemwVvuWls

Any team that has Sandstorm as the theme to there highlight video is in a severe need of an *** kicking.

jesse
03-19-2009, 08:46 PM
Agreed. A part of me wants to think the Valdosta schools are better than Bellevue.


Lowndes is I believe, and if Valdosta and Lowndes ever consolidate it will be 48 minutes of hell for any team most years. Nick Hyder the late Valdosta coach used to say "Football is a collision sport.If you are not meaner than cat dung and physical, we will tear you up".http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsMig8o_Qsk&feature=PlayList&p=3803F798D9E80EA8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1

BDB
03-19-2009, 08:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBBvu4DnId8

The wing -t with speed. No way Bellevue runs this stone age offense better than Lowndes.

that looks like a more physical version of the two...and that kid can flat out fly.

i gotta agree with you from watching the tapes.

jesse
03-19-2009, 08:54 PM
Ha! I hate Whoover almost as much as I hate Dook.

Camden took over 6000 fans nearly 550 miles to lay the wood on Hoover/Berry. Hoover did not complete a pass in the 1st half:D. South Georgia programs are known to play a little defense:D. Maybe the spread will take off down here, but we have seen some excellent teams get knocked out colder than an ice block trying to play basketball on grass. Texas is King, and we are the Prince of Wales when it comes to schoolboy football. Our history against top flight teams from OOS is very impressive over the last 80 years or so. And Georgia teams have not shyed away from traveling up to Ohio and Pennsylvania back in the day and whipping yankee a**.
http://www.ghsfha.org/

Mong Hu
03-19-2009, 09:07 PM
Great points, same questions I had. Do they play by NCAA rules in Washington and with the linemen so far back from the line, wouldnt that be an illegal formation?

I have not seen a Washington rule book but rules in regards to legal formations are fairly standard especially when it comes to what is meant by LOS. In general the NFHS guidelines state that a lineman's head must break the plane of the center's waist. Most officials I have talked to, and we have had to have this discussion because we align our oline the same way as Bellevue, interpret the rule so that as long as any part of the lineman's helmet is in front of the centers butt then they are OK. Bellevue's formation is legal according to how most officials I have spoken with interpret the rule.

jesse
03-19-2009, 09:18 PM
Big men on big men.Georgia style!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3o8iAobw84&feature=related

Mong Hu
03-19-2009, 09:20 PM
Good to hear from you again and great stuff. I should have clairified that a bit more. In Texas you don't see it much. We've gone to so many spread variations and pro sets that even a power team like Trinity is almost an oddity, let along a wing or option set. There are many states where this could still be considered the base formation, i.e. Georgia.

Thanks, its good to talk about football again on a football board. I have been hanging out in the yard the past several weeks. Had a couple political and historical tangles with firebird. It was a good time but it is good to talk about the topic that drew me to this board in the first place.

I think that the advantage Katy's D has against this or any offense that relies heavily on misdirection and deception is that Katy's D is a reading D, thus why Katy puts their Dline off the line of scrimmage. We love to run our double wing offense against aggressive defense. An aggressive defense has to guess correctly and if they don't you pentrate into their Defense and race to the secondary. They find themselves out of position. The reading style of defense maintains layers more effectively and thus your players find themselves in better positions to respond to what the offense presents to them. The hard part is being patient. If Katy's defenders are not patient and rush to a spot they will frequently find themselves out of position. We run a 4-3 reading defense and patience is by far the hardest thing to teach, especially to your linebackers.

My advice to Katy when playing the Wing T or double wing: be patient make your correct reads and then bolt like lightning and hit like thunder.

jesse
03-19-2009, 09:34 PM
As for atmosphere, the Warner Demons are top shelf. And with over 150 Div1 players over the past 30 years and 15 NFL's talent and coaching = great football.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XVG0cnBCCo

Trying to find some footage of their 76 team which featured 5 future NFL players, including James Brooks, Ron Simmons, and Byron Walker.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmPOUP3eaKQ&feature=related

Been down a couple of years but the Demons are coming back. Another "Wing-t team but as you will see, one that throws enough to keep folks honest.

The Wet Mustard
03-19-2009, 10:04 PM
this is a comparison of rules of the nfhs(rules that washington goes by) and ncaa(rules that texas is based on)
Click me to find the difference (http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmana...ifferences.pdf)

MemorialMustangs
03-19-2009, 10:39 PM
I might try to show up for this... It will depend on whether our game is Friday or Saturday

jesse
03-19-2009, 10:47 PM
Bellevue is a very good team, but the question is how good is their comp.? Texas has 40 to 50 very good teams every year and Georgia has 15 or so very good teams every year. The speed Katy will hit Bellevue with is something they just don't see week in and out.

I lost an eye in an accident a couple of years ago and had to sell my Piper Cub or I would fly out for this one.

Fleeman93
03-19-2009, 11:05 PM
Bellevue is a very good team, but the question is how good is their comp.? Texas has 40 to 50 very good teams every year and Georgia has 15 or so very good teams every year. The speed Katy will hit Bellevue with is something they just don't see week in and out.

I lost an eye in an accident a couple of years ago and had to sell my Piper Cub or I would fly out for this one.

They won't sell you a plane ticket because you are missing an eye and don't have your own plane?

Owned05
03-19-2009, 11:08 PM
I can't believe Katy has to play the Wing T offense again. Yawn.

I have yet to see any Wing T team have any kind of sustained success vs Coach Joseph's defense. The 34 is built to stop this sort of thing. How long did Taylor run this offense? How many times did they beat Katy with it?

When I was on campus, reading and stopping the Wing T/any option offense was one of the first things defensive linemen and linebackers were taught freshmen year.

Fleeman93
03-19-2009, 11:21 PM
In my opinion if Katy stops, slows down or limits Bellevue's offense then Katy wins and possibly easily. If Katy's defense just can't figure out Bellevue's offense then I think it will be a very good game. I have heard nothing about Bellevue but their offense so I am thinking their defense isn't their best aspect. I think they will have a hard time stopping Katy's offense.

Dynastybegan86
03-20-2009, 01:08 AM
In my opinion if Katy stops, slows down or limits Bellevue's offense then Katy wins and possibly easily. If Katy's defense just can't figure out Bellevue's offense then I think it will be a very good game. I have heard nothing about Bellevue but their offense so I am thinking their defense isn't their best aspect. I think they will have a hard time stopping Katy's offense.

Bellevue's D gave up an average of around 153 yds ppg, the whole year. Remember they won the State Championship in their classification. 15 or 16 games, not sure.

75 rushing and 78 passing.

All in all, I think Katy has a good shot at beating them. I'm not trying to disrespect them, but the videos I've seen do not show much speed for them or the teams they are playing. Maybe I just can't judge it anymore, I am getting older;)

Owned05
03-20-2009, 01:56 AM
All in all, I think Katy has a good shot at beating them. I'm not trying to disrespect them, but the videos I've seen do not show much speed for them or the teams they are playing. Maybe I just can't judge it anymore, I am getting older;)

Speed is overrated. Bellevue can have all the speed in the world, but if Katy is wrapping up and gang tackling like they have the last few years then I have a tough time believing Bellevue can hang around for more then a half. There's no substitute to having kids in position to make a play near the LOS.

Not knowing anything about Washington HS football, I'll go ahead and say that Bellevue has never played a defense as disciplined and aggressive as Katy's.

It's still March though. ;)

steeler 01
03-20-2009, 05:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBBvu4DnId8

The wing -t with speed. No way Bellevue runs this stone age offense better than Lowndes.

I think they run it a lot better. Most Wing-T offenses all you have to do is follow the pulling guards, but in Bellevue's Wing-T they don't pull as much, which is what makes their ball fakes so powerful, because the LB's have to find the ball. They run their Wing-T a lot like the single wing.

Mong Hu
03-20-2009, 07:07 AM
http://smiliesftw.com/x/popcorn_1.gif

OK got to ask. Where do you guys get the different smilies? I don't see them under "more".

steeler 01
03-20-2009, 07:19 AM
Here's a good read.



http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2007-08-16-wing-t-football_N.htm

SLC93
03-20-2009, 08:06 AM
With regards to all of the references to Georgia, I think you're confusing the argument. The talent in Georgia is truly outstanding and when stacked up against what Washington produces it becomes even more apparent. We're not talking talent, though. I'm talking about the scheme, planning and exectuion of their version of the wing t. There is not a better one out there and there is not a better run one out there. There are plenty of more talented ones out there but that us not what I was ever arguing.

SLC93
03-20-2009, 08:12 AM
Bellevue is a very good team, but the question is how good is their comp.? Texas has 40 to 50 very good teams every year and Georgia has 15 or so very good teams every year. The speed Katy will hit Bellevue with is something they just don't see week in and out.I lost an eye in an accident a couple of years ago and had to sell my Piper Cub or I would fly out for this one.

I cannot speak for the squad that will be traveling to Texas, specifically. What you can say is that, historically, speed has never bothered these guys. They play an out of state power most every year and most every year they walk away the winner. Many of those opponents are from Cali, a member of the big 3 for college talent. If this program can beat Long Beach Poly I do not think preparing for the speed of Katy is going to phase them.

dada
03-20-2009, 08:42 AM
Katy would be wise NOT to overlook or underestimate this team...Unlike Cy-Bay...this team has histroy. Like Katy, they have a proven system, a tradition and they are expected to win year in, year out. As any Katy would tell you, tradition never graduates....Same can be said for Bellevue.

Also, instead of talking about this game....Katy has to deal with the teams that got them off to an 0-2 start last season.

jesse
03-20-2009, 08:45 AM
I cannot speak for the squad that will be traveling to Texas, specifically. What you can say is that, historically, speed has never bothered these guys. They play an out of state power most every year and most every year they walk away the winner. Many of those opponents are from Cali, a member of the big 3 for college talent. If this program can beat Long Beach Poly I do not think preparing for the speed of Katy is going to phase them.

Bellevue had J R Hasty, E J Savannah. Steve schilling, and quite a few more highly recruited recruits than this current team. 2004/05 were even for them exceptional years from a talent standpoint. And those guys were obviously very coachable. And remember, Bellevue had prepped for DLS for a couple of years before issuing the challenge! I suspect there are a number of teams who would love to play SLC now, whose AD's would have thrown an offer into the roundfile before Dodge left.

jesse
03-20-2009, 08:51 AM
With regards to all of the references to Georgia, I think you're confusing the argument. The talent in Georgia is truly outstanding and when stacked up against what Washington produces it becomes even more apparent. We're not talking talent, though. I'm talking about the scheme, planning and exectuion of their version of the wing t. There is not a better one out there and there is not a better run one out there. There are plenty of more talented ones out there but that us not what I was ever arguing.


I respectfully disagree. Lowndes runs the wing-t against some of the best athletes in the nation.Opposing teams that are well coached and disciplined. Players who are capable of caving in the o-line, or at least getting off the blocks and causing carnage. Against the defenses I have been watching Bellevue operate against, Every school rushing record would be broken by mid-season. Point is that well coached, talented, and patient defenses, like Katy's can sucessfully defend the wing-t. Against weaker teams from other parts of the state, Lowndes version looks every bit as smooth as Bellevues.

85Roughneck
03-20-2009, 08:55 AM
First of all I never said SV would kill Katy... 2nd of all... Take the stick out of your a$$... It was all done in light hearted humor... as in it was a joke you grumpy bastar.d... I could have posted under a psuedo name but I didn't think it was necessary because I figured the Katy folk would understand that I was only joking around. I'm glad you've made an assumption of who I am based on what I post on a message board... I guess you're still mad because I called you a Potato Head... lol... once again done in light hearted humor... you'll see much worse written on that board once the game gets a little bit closer... grow a pair of huevos you nancy boy... or take the crying to your mama.

hold it right there, svhorns, :mad: don't go calling anybody potato head but me. I earned it fair and square so don't think you can just sling it around willy nilly on just any ole' Katy poster. That's the name you call me when you're being light hearted so pick another moniker to share with my brethren.


... ;):D hee hee ...

85Roughneck
03-20-2009, 08:56 AM
http://www.ed2010.com/files/images/sad%20baby.preview.jpg

lol !!! :d

dada
03-20-2009, 08:59 AM
hold it right there, svhorns, :mad: don't go calling anybody potato head but me. I earned it fair and square so don't think you can just sling it around willy nilly on just any ole' Katy poster. That's the name you call me when you're being light hearted so pick another moniker to share with my brethren.


... ;):D hee hee ...

You can't trust him......
That name was for you and he's just throwing it around.
I lost all respect for Svhorns when he almost got SV61 roundhoused into next week. SV61 was a good guy. He almost felt my wrath thanks to svhorns.

85Roughneck
03-20-2009, 08:59 AM
very very enticing cougman!! and thanks but ill wait till i get home to take you up on that. hopefully ill get home for at least one game, maybe two:)

when you get here, try to find me. I'll buy your ticket to get into the Tiger game. I'll be the guy wearing a #46 jersey with Roundtree on the back.

Thank you for serving our country in the USMC. :notworthy

85Roughneck
03-20-2009, 09:02 AM
LOL LOL... It might be a little intimidating to tailgate with "the section!" But ya'll are a great group of people and I intend to shake hands with all of you.

Woo Hoo !!! We got him now boys !!! let's roll out the RED carpet for ole'
SVHORNS. :D

jesse
03-20-2009, 09:04 AM
They won't sell you a plane ticket because you are missing an eye and don't have your own plane?

Certainly but flying commercial is a PITArse:D. Plus the Bulldogs have to deal with the chickenhawks of South Carolina that weekend and I cannot be at the mercy of an almost broke airline to get me back in time:D.

85Roughneck
03-20-2009, 09:06 AM
You want him to grow a pair of eggs?

Just when I thought it couldn't get any weirder around here.

chief, stick with what you know which is football ... don't try to figure out TexMex. it will just confuse even the most astute such as you. Those indigenous to Texas know the slang lingo and even then it's hard to follow ... that is, of course, unless 70% of your crew speaks spanish then us guerros pick it up real quick. :D

85Roughneck
03-20-2009, 09:07 AM
chupas mis huevos.

translate it....
dooooooooooooooooooo it

wrong .... just wrong.

85Roughneck
03-20-2009, 09:12 AM
Any team that has Sandstorm as the theme to there highlight video is in a severe need of an *** kicking.

damn near had a seisure watching that ... but it was cool when the kid got a TD off the fumble. I bet that was a designed play. :D

85Roughneck
03-20-2009, 09:19 AM
Bellevue is a very good team, but the question is how good is their comp.? Texas has 40 to 50 very good teams every year and Georgia has 15 or so very good teams every year. The speed Katy will hit Bellevue with is something they just don't see week in and out.

I lost an eye in an accident a couple of years ago and had to sell my Piper Cub or I would fly out for this one.

catch a Southwest flight and holler at one of us to pick you up on the way to the game. I live on the east side and Hobby is on my way.

SLC93
03-20-2009, 09:20 AM
Bellevue had J R Hasty, E J Savannah. Steve schilling, and quite a few more highly recruited recruits than this current team. 2004/05 were even for them exceptional years from a talent standpoint. And those guys were obviously very coachable. And remember, Bellevue had prepped for DLS for a couple of years before issuing the challenge! I suspect there are a number of teams who would love to play SLC now, whose AD's would have thrown an offer into the roundfile before Dodge left.

Probably very true. Even still, the program beat LBP who is consistently the most talented team in the nation, from a recruiting stand point. Bellevue's best team ever would still not rival an "ordinary" team for LBP. Those a statistical, measurable facts.

As far as prepping for DLS for years, who can say that? Even if they did have time to address this they would be prepping for how to play against their schemes because the players on tend to be around for a few years. Also, DLS under Lad is not difficult to prep for. They do what they do and it doesn't change much, especially in the time period we're talking about.

Yeah, everyone wants a piece of us now. Two seasons without a state title and only winning 80% of your games will do that to you.:mad:;):D

jesse
03-20-2009, 09:40 AM
who can say that? Even if they did have time to address this they would be prepping for how to play against their schemes because the players on tend to be around for a few years

Their coach did. He sent coaches to watch them live and stated him and his staff studied every piece of film, and read every article of info on DLS they could obtain. And changed his offense. DLS walked into a trap.Probably knew DLS would not be up to par compared to previous years and took advantage of it. Hats off to them.Bellevue went about readying for DLS on a level that would have meda Erwin Rommel proud. As for Poly, the Jackrabbits probably underestimated Bellevue.Poly has a great tradition, part of which includes celebrating too early:D.

Canes0177
03-20-2009, 10:47 AM
I'll tell you what. Nobody talks a bigger game than people from the old south. Jesse is a perfect example.

Regardless of the fact that Lowndes has never played an out of state game. So their dominance has come exclusively against Georgia schools.

This despite Valdosta being only 20 miles away from the Florida border.

farmerfan
03-20-2009, 10:52 AM
I'll tell you what. Nobody talks a bigger game than people from the old south. Jesse is a perfect example.

Regardless of the fact that Lowndes has never played an out of state game. So their dominance has come exclusively against Georgia schools.

This despite Valdosta being only 20 miles away from the Florida border.

Florida sucks