Katy vs. Bellevue, WA - Clash of Champions II

[Fleeman93]

Yes, but their success wouldn't be the same. They would have faced much better teams, but that wouldn't make their wing-t any better or worse. Bellevue doesn't win games only, because of their wing-t.

So playing much better defenses week in and week out wouldn't make the wing T less effective? What happened the week Bellevue played that Washington team that totally shut down the wing T? Let's not kid ourselves by saying that Bellevue's bread and butter is not their wing T offense. I don't hear any of the Bellevue supporters saying Bellevue runs one of the best (insert whatever defense they run) in the country.

[SLC]

The Florida threads were full of Texas folks trying to say they were gonna roll MNW. Texasfan#1 and a couple of others. Were talking for a long time, till after the game.



It was also full of alot of mud slingers from Florida as well, dont play like you didn't read alot of the trash being spewed by a great many of Florida posters....And I recall there were several Florida posters banned from this board for doing the same. The point is you can go to EVERY states boards and they say stuff like that, yours included.

[steeler 01]

Sorry, had a call. Should have read:

So then all of that all star talent seems to be even more impressive with the poor coaching. All I meant was that if they are beating well coached teams in the toughest district(?) in the state then the talent they are getting must but outstanding.

I think I've said this before, and the list of guys they have in the pros, and starting at d1's speaks of that talent. Their not a team, like some have said that are found everywhere. It's rare to find a team as talented as Poly anywhere.

[Pool Man]

They think, because we outsiders don't think their best, will roll our best, were putting their programs down. Hell in 07 prior to the SLC-MNW game. Tons of these same folks, had SLC winning by 20+. We all know how that turned out. This board even went offline after the loss. No one puts their programs down. We just don't put them on an unreal pedestal, like these people do.

That year, the board was going down every Friday and Saturday night. Hence the upgrades the owners have made over the last two years and continue to make to improve the site.

The facts are that certain states have better talent across the board with regards to football. Texas is one of those states. It's not to say that there aren't any great football teams anywhere else, but that the level of competition is greater week in and week out in a state like Texas vs. a state like Washington. We don't play hockey like the guys in the north do either.

If you want to argue over anything, don't try to strenthen you points with false information. You'll get alot further.

[cougmantx]

At some point this is a bogus, mine is longer than yours, brain dead waste of time and energy! Bellevue will be here on September 12th at which time I am sure that all of us will enjoy a well executed football game by two state champions. It seems we could at least hold off until the game is played and have something to really argue about...:D

[Fleeman93]

I think I've said this before, and the list of guys they have in the pros, and starting at d1's speaks of that talent. Their not a team, like some have said that are found everywhere. It's rare to find a team as talented as Poly anywhere.

I have to agree with the talent because of the results but I still wouldn't say they are a great program if you, one of their biggest supporters, have openly said that they don't have great coaching. Now I understand why you were saying you would take an all star team over a well coached team.

[steeler 01]

So playing much better defenses week in and week out wouldn't make the wing T less effective? What happened the week Bellevue played that Washington team that totally shut down the wing T? Let's not kid ourselves by saying that Bellevue's bread and butter is not their wing T offense. I don't hear any of the Bellevue supporters saying Bellevue runs one of the best (insert whatever defense they run) in the country.

Not every team you play in Cali, Ohio, Texas, Florida or any other state gives you a tough game every week. Some match up other don't. Unless you play a schedule like Servite's or St. X of Ohio. Playoff time is a different case. What happened the week SLC played MNW? No team from Texas did that to SLC during their run, but MNW did. MNW held them to 14 points offensively. With a healthy Dodge.

As far as that Washington team. They lost 6-0 to Skyline in the first game of the season. After losing most of their team from the previous year. Which had ended up as state champs. Bellevue didn't win state that year. They lost in the semi's to Odea. So it's not like were talking about a top Belleuve team, but we are talking about one of the best teams in Skyline football history, and one of the top teams in Washington football history as well. Not to mention Skyline has gone undefeated in Washington with that core the last two years. Skyline was also held to their lowest output during that game, and if you know anything about Skyline is that they had a pretty good offense during that time.

[Pool Man]

Not every team you play in Cali, Ohio, Texas, Florida or any other state gives you a tough game every week. Some match up other don't. Unless you play a schedule like Servite's or St. X of Ohio. Playoff time is a different case. What happened the week SLC played MNW? No team from Texas did that to SLC during their run, but MNW did. MNW held them to 14 points offensively. With a healthy Dodge.
As far as that Washington team. They lost 6-0 to Skyline in the first game of the season. After losing most of their team from the previous year. Which had ended up as state champs. Bellevue didn't win state that year. They lost in the semi's to Odea. So it's not like were talking about a top Belleuve team, but we are talking about one of the best teams in Skyline football history, and one of the top teams in Washington football history as well. Not to mention Skyline has gone undefeated in Washington with that core the last two years. Skyline was also held to their lowest output during that game, and if you know anything about Skyline is that they had a pretty good offense during that time.

Katy beat them in the 2003 state championship???

[steeler 01]

The facts are that certain states have better talent across the board with regards to football. Texas is one of those states. It's not to say that there aren't any great football teams anywhere else, but that the level of competition is greater week in and week out in a state like Texas vs. a state like Washington. We don't play hockey like the guys in the north do either.


I don't think anyone is comparing the overall football of Washington to that of Texas. The game is a game between two programs that are not indicative of regular football programs in either state. If that was the case, you'd have first round playoff losers from both states playing each other.

[steeler 01]

katy beat them in the 2003 state championship???

14<15;)

[cougmantx]

Not every team you play in Cali, Ohio, Texas, Florida or any other state gives you a tough game every week. Some match up other don't. Unless you play a schedule like Servite's or St. X of Ohio. Playoff time is a different case. What happened the week SLC played MNW? No team from Texas did that to SLC during their run, but MNW did. MNW held them to 14 points offensively. With a healthy Dodge.

As far as that Washington team. They lost 6-0 to Skyline in the first game of the season. After losing most of their team from the previous year. Which had ended up as state champs. Bellevue didn't win state that year. They lost in the semi's to Odea. So it's not like were talking about a top Belleuve team, but we are talking about one of the best teams in Skyline football history, and one of the top teams in Washington football history as well. Not to mention Skyline has gone undefeated in Washington with that core the last two years. Skyline was also held to their lowest output during that game, and if you know anything about Skyline is that they had a pretty good offense during that time.

This is the part that worries me about this match up. From what I have read Skyline was a pretty balanced team with some studs on it. For Bellevue to hold them to 6 that year would have been a defensive master piece involving great play by the defense and great defensive play calling.

The team that will be meeting us will be much improved with pretty much the same coaching staff and play calling...

I think Katy wins but I will not underestimate Bellevue and I know the team and coaches won't either...!

[drgnbkr]

Not every team you play in Cali, Ohio, Texas, Florida or any other state gives you a tough game every week. Some match up other don't. Unless you play a schedule like Servite's or St. X of Ohio. Playoff time is a different case. What happened the week SLC played MNW? No team from Texas did that to SLC during their run, but MNW did. MNW held them to 14 points offensively. With a healthy Dodge.

As far as that Washington team. They lost 6-0 to Skyline in the first game of the season. After losing most of their team from the previous year. Which had ended up as state champs. Bellevue didn't win state that year. They lost in the semi's to Odea. So it's not like were talking about a top Belleuve team, but we are talking about one of the best teams in Skyline football history, and one of the top teams in Washington football history as well. Not to mention Skyline has gone undefeated in Washington with that core the last two years. Skyline was also held to their lowest output during that game, and if you know anything about Skyline is that they had a pretty good offense during that time.

Don't understand your question. What happened when Carroll and MNW got together was a very close game that could have gone either way right up to the final whistle. Carroll outgained MNW on the ground with 2 starters out on the o-line and with a young reloaded defense held their own just fine. That's what happened that week.

[Fleeman93]

I don't think anyone is comparing the overall football of Washington to that of Texas. The game is a game between two programs that are not indicative of regular football programs in either state. If that was the case, you'd have first round playoff losers from both states playing each other.

That is exactly what I am doing. I don't think it is as good in Washington as it is in Texas and that is why Bellevue's wing T looks so dominating (with emphasis on the defensive side of the ball).

[steeler 01]

Don't understand your question. What happened when Carroll and MNW got together was a very close game that could have gone either way right up to the final whistle. Carroll outgained MNW on the ground with 2 starters out on the o-line and with a young reloaded defense held their own just fine. That's what happened that week.

MNW wasn't a running team.

[steeler 01]

That is exactly what I am doing. I don't think it is as good in Washington as it is in Texas and that is why Bellevue's wing T looks so dominating (with emphasis on the defensive side of the ball).
You're basically saying in you're eyes Bellevue is unproven to you.

[drgnbkr]

MNW wasn't a running team.

Carroll was/is a balanced team scheme wise. That comment was related to the beast of a DL and LB corps MNW had that year. More important was the close nature of the game. MNW won and that is that, but your comment sounded like it was some blowout or mismatch. I thoroughly enjoyed the MNW game as I did when we played Shreveport Evangel and wish we could have gotten together with Concord DLS, but alas, they couldn't make it.

[Fleeman93]

You're basically saying in you're eyes Bellevue is unproven to you.

No not really because that would be down playing there success in Washington and that isn't my intention. I just don't think they would have as much success if they played in Texas for example.

[steeler 01]

Carroll was/is a balanced team scheme wise. That comment was related to the beast of a DL and LB corps MNW had that year. More important was the close nature of the game. MNW won and that is that, but your comment sounded like it was some blowout or mismatch. I thoroughly enjoyed the MNW game as I did when we played Shreveport Evangel and wish we could have gotten together with Concord DLS, but alas, they couldn't make it.

No, I was referring to the point total, the offense accumulated. No one in Texas had held them to 14 points on offense during their run.

[steeler 01]

No not really because that would be down playing there success in Washington and that isn't my intention. I just don't think they would have as much success if they played in Texas for example.

You could say that for any team though. Would DLS have had as much success playing in the Pac 5 as they did in NorCal no, but that wouldn't make them any weaker. Would Iggy(Oh) have won all those championships they did in the late 80's, early 90's that they did in Ohio somewhere else? Would Carroll have had the run they did in another state?

[The King]

That year, the board was going down every Friday and Saturday night. Hence the upgrades the owners have made over the last two years and continue to make to improve the site.The facts are that certain states have better talent across the board with regards to football. Texas is one of those states. It's not to say that there aren't any great football teams anywhere else, but that the level of competition is greater week in and week out in a state like Texas vs. a state like Washington. We don't play hockey like the guys in the north do either.

If you want to argue over anything, don't try to strenthen you points with false information. You'll get alot further.

I still remember that I requeted for the KT's to do this after The Woodlands last year, and nothing happened! The improvements have been working, but come on guys haven't you ever heard of a kill switch.:D

[Fleeman93]

You could say that for any team though. Would DLS have had as much success playing in the Pac 5 as they did in NorCal no, but that wouldn't make them any weaker. Would Iggy(Oh) have won all those championships they did in the late 80's, early 90's that they did in Ohio somewhere else? Would Carroll have had the run they did in another state?

Um, I'm pretty sure if you put Carroll in Washington state as is then yes they would have had every bit as much success. You are talking about one of the best programs in the history of Texas high school football and a state where football is not regarded as one of the best.

[Bellevue Pride]

At some point this is a bogus, mine is longer than yours, brain dead waste of time and energy! Bellevue will be here on September 12th at which time I am sure that all of us will enjoy a well executed football game by two state champions. It seems we could at least hold off until the game is played and have something to really argue about...:D


THIS! :notworthy:D

[steeler 01]

Um, I'm pretty sure if you put Carroll in Washington state as is then yes they would have had every bit as much success. You are talking about one of the best programs in the history of Texas high school football and a state where football is not regarded as one of the best.

Who said Washington? I should have said one of the power states or Ohio. Ohio in 04 had one of their best teams ever in Colerain. Florida in 04, 05 and 06 had Lakeland and MNW. Cali had DLS in 02 and 03 and MV in 04. No one mentioned Washington.;)

[FP Trojan79]

the mines bigger than your theory will be discovered in 24 days :).... i have said Katy will win this matchup, and i don't care about arguing about Slc or any other team. all of the schools we have mentioned have great programs and they are all do respect for what they have accomplished no matter where they are from..... Bellevue is a great program much like Katy with fantastic coaching and great kids that are highly diseplined and run the program tought to them very well.... so lets just strap it on and get on the field.... one way or another only one team will be victorious.. but i will still have the utmost respect for both teams...win or lose :notworthy

[The King]

"North Shore isn't just a beach in Hawaii"

KT2000

[prairiewinters]

Do you think Bellevue would be a top 5, top 10, top 25 team in Texas year in and year out?

with their system, yes just as much as Katy is a top team in Texas. I would assume that if Bellevue had the same enrollment, they would be good but at the next level down the attendance scale.

[cougmantx]

"North Shore isn't just a beach in Hawaii"

KT2000

Yeah, isn't that true...their much uglier, meaner and coming to our house...:eek: :D

[prairiewinters]

I have a strange feeling that this game means more to Texas Pride than Washington Pride.

[Hitman49]

Who said Washington? I should have said one of the power states or Ohio. Ohio in 04 had one of their best teams ever in Colerain. Florida in 04, 05 and 06 had Lakeland and MNW. Cali had DLS in 02 and 03 and MV in 04. No one mentioned Washington.;)

SLC would have been one of the very best if not the best prior to 07' in any state. In 07' they would have been the best in all states outside of Texas and Florida. 07' Katy and 07' MNW was toss up either team could have won.

Stop with the OHIO, these teams are the most over-rated!!

[prairiewinters]

SLC would have been one of the very best if not the best prior to 07' in any state. In 07' they would have been the best in all states outside of Texas and Florida. 07' Katy and 07' MNW was toss up either team could have won.

Stop with the OHIO, these teams are the most over-rated!!


all this is easy to say, very difficult to prove. this sounds like SEC talk again.

[cougmantx]

I have a strange feeling that this game means more to Texas Pride than Washington Pride.

I have to agree...you can not imagine the ribbing Katy will take if they let one of those PNW teams come into their house and whoop up on them...the humiliation will be talked about for a couple of years and thrown up in our face by anyone trying to advance their arguement...:D

We all here in Texas are pretty biased when it comes to high school football...:eek:

[slcdragonfan]

Um, I'm pretty sure if you put Carroll in Washington state as is then yes they would have had every bit as much success. You are talking about one of the best programs in the history of Texas high school football and a state where football is not regarded as one of the best.

Thank you Fleeman, very kind of you sir. :notworthy:notworthy

And, of course, I agree.

[Owned05]

Carroll would still be undefeated if they played in Washington state.

[Hitman49]

I have a strange feeling that this game means more to Texas Pride than Washington Pride.

When it is time to strap them on we Texans have much pride. look at it like this if Katy wins it will be know big deal around the country. However, if Bellevue wins everyone around the country will talk smack.

I personall don't believe any state is close to Texas in Quality depth among all teams. As we play more and more of these OOS games, you outsiders will start to understand...

[slcdragonfan]

the mines bigger than your theory will be discovered in 24 days :).... i have said Katy will win this matchup, and i don't care about arguing about Slc or any other team. all of the schools we have mentioned have great programs and they are all do respect for what they have accomplished no matter where they are from..... Bellevue is a great program much like Katy with fantastic coaching and great kids that are highly diseplined and run the program tought to them very well.... so lets just strap it on and get on the field.... one way or another only one team will be victorious.. but i will still have the utmost respect for both teams...win or lose :notworthy

And I agree with this. Anything can happen, but the wild card factors are against Bellevue even if the teams are/were on a par. Home field advantage, a Texas stadium with what, 10,000 people, LOTS of crazy people in RED, weather, all the wild card factors. Did I mention the people in RED? ;)

[dada]

And I agree with this. Anything can happen, but the wild card factors are against Bellevue even if the teams are/were on a par. Home field advantage, a Texas stadium with what, 10,000 people, LOTS of crazy people in RED, weather, all the wild card factors. Did I mention the people in RED? ;)

People in red who never sit, and yell all game while the band plays as loud as they can when opposing teams are on offense..lol:D

[FP Trojan79]

People in red who never sit, and yell all game while the band plays as loud as they can when opposing teams are on offense..lol:D


:eek: OK OK... i'm sitting down now :D

[Hitman49]

with their system, yes just as much as Katy is a top team in Texas. I would assume that if Bellevue had the same enrollment, they would be good but at the next level down the attendance scale.

Bellevue would be 4A here in Texas. They would be better team in Texas
4A vs Texas 5A. All I can say is it would be much much more difficult to win Texas 4A vs Washington 3A

Regardless of how or what Bellevue does in this game, if Katy is on top of their game they will handle Bellevue with authority.

[cougmantx]

:eek: OK OK... i'm sitting down now :D


Better not...Ms. Kitty will be policing the area for slackers...:eek:

[steeler 01]

SLC would have been one of the very best if not the best prior to 07' in any state. In 07' they would have been the best in all states outside of Texas and Florida. 07' Katy and 07' MNW was toss up either team could have won.

Stop with the OHIO, these teams are the most over-rated!!

SLC was one of the best in Texas when healthy. They didn't lose in the state of Texas at a 100 percent. They were up 14-3 when Dodge went out. I think that SLC team was a top notch team, and was a top team in the country at 100 percent.

[steeler 01]

And I agree with this. Anything can happen, but the wild card factors are against Bellevue even if the teams are/were on a par. Home field advantage, a Texas stadium with what, 10,000 people, LOTS of crazy people in RED, weather, all the wild card factors. Did I mention the people in RED? ;)

10k fans isn't a lot, but the travel, and Katy having 2 games under their belt is. If the stadium held 25k at least, then the fans would be a factor. Having played in front of 10k fans before, it isn't a huge deal.

[steeler 01]

Stop with the OHIO, these teams are the most over-rated!!

Wow, you expect to be taken seriously? Ohio has some very good football teams. Once again, you wear blinders while watching them. If you watch them at all.

[dada]

10k fans isn't a lot, but the travel, and Katy having 2 games under their belt is. If the stadium held 25k at least, then the fans would be a factor. Having played in front of 10k fans before, it isn't a huge deal.

Good lord dude, do you have to contradict everything? Ask people who have actually BEEN to Rhodes if the fans are a factor. Jeez:rolleyes:

[Canes0177]

Then we got CANE (sp? I don't care really, you know who I'm talking about) who is still trying to convince us that Florida is best or up to our level, yeah so it took the best team in the history of Florida HS FB (MNW) to barely squeak by an SLC team who didn't make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs that year, 8 points, big deal. Look at the rest of the games, they weren't even close and all (if not most) of our teams you've faced were average (or slightly above at best, except for Katy who was still finding themselves when they played Cypress Bay). It would've been even more hilarious if they had played later in the season when Katy was clicking and rolling everyone.


Carroll lost in the 3rd round. And only after their starting QB left the game with his team ahead 14-0.

Cypress Bay actually did lose in the 2nd round here in Florida.

Somehow losing in the 3rd round because of an injury is better than losing in the 2nd round because you're not good enough.

Typical Texan logic.

[Canes0177]

Then we got CANE (sp? I don't care really, you know who I'm talking about) who is still trying to convince us that Florida is best or up to our level, yeah so it took the best team in the history of Florida HS FB (MNW) to barely squeak by an SLC team who didn't make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs that year, 8 points, big deal. Look at the rest of the games, they weren't even close and all (if not most) of our teams you've faced were average (or slightly above at best, except for Katy who was still finding themselves when they played Cypress Bay). It would've been even more hilarious if they had played later in the season when Katy was clicking and rolling everyone.


Oh I forgot one thing....

2005: "Lakeland is the best team in the history of Florida!"
2006: "Lakeland is the best team in the history of Florida!"
2007: "Northwestern is the best team in the history of Florida!"
2008: "Aquinas is the best team in the history of Florida!"

Darn state of Florida. It keeps turning out the greatest team in history. Year after year. Yet it's sucks at football compared to Texas.

[NAVY FLIER]

10k fans isn't a lot, but the travel, and Katy having 2 games under their belt is. If the stadium held 25k at least, then the fans would be a factor. Having played in front of 10k fans before, it isn't a huge deal.


Yeah, 10K screaming fans is not a mind game? But the travel, oh my! Those covered wagons rambling for weeks over the Cascade Mountain ranges and into the hot blazing thirst quenching desert! What the heck man are you just so out of it? Air travel--try it sometimes. The boys get on the plane, sit back and relax for 4 hours-- oh yeah real exhausting! Chartered bus from the airport to the hotel. Nice big pool outside. The travel is not an issue. It'll be the humidity and the fan factor.

[F18mustang]

Typical Texan logic.

We're better than you, because we are. :rolleyes:

[Canes0177]

Just look through this thread to see the respect shown.;)

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=20308

Thanks, Steeler.

The best thread I've read in a long time. Simply classic.

[Canes0177]

It predictions Steeler and you know that as well as anyone. The link was provided in that thread to one of the Florida boards and their lack of repsect for Texas was far worse than some of the things said on ours and the Cali boards in reference to respect for Texas is no different. Dont try and play the "Texas fans have no respect for others states ball" crap, everyone will see right through that. Some things were said (unfortunately) by some people in that thread, but is wasnt any more than was being said in Florida and other boards(national) about Carroll and Texas ball.

Who was closer to the truth?

I think you people embarrassed yourself in that thread.

[dada]

Who was closer to the truth?

I think you people embarrassed yourself in that thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAlVKgl_zCQ&feature=PlayList&p=E6E7D029178242BD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=89


They were PREDICTIONS....wow...guess you never got one of those wrong huh. Not that serious....I picked the Cardnials to win the Super Bowl....embarrassed myself.

[Canes0177]

This reminds me of the scene in the movie Gladiator when Maximus enters the Coliseum for the first time in shear amazement of all the people and does a full 360° circular view of the 50,000+ crazy spectators in the stands. Carroll has played regularly in this type of environment over the last 5 years. This will be a once-in-a-lifetime atmosphere for the Bulls, but it still won't match the atmosphere of the Carroll/Trinity game last Thanksgiving. And many MNW players won't see this type of atmosphere again until next fall at U of M.

LMAO

[F18mustang]

This reminds me of the scene in the movie Gladiator when Maximus enters the Coliseum for the first time in shear amazement of all the people and does a full 360° circular view of the 50,000+ crazy spectators in the stands. Carroll has played regularly in this type of environment over the last 5 years. This will be a once-in-a-lifetime atmosphere for the Bulls, but it still won't match the atmosphere of the Carroll/Trinity game last Thanksgiving. And many MNW players won't see this type of atmosphere again until next fall at U of M.

LMAO

This totally tells me that Bellevue is SO gonna win this game...:rolleyes:

[Canes0177]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAlVKgl_zCQ&feature=PlayList&p=E6E7D029178242BD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=89


They were PREDICTIONS....wow...guess you never got one of those wrong huh. Not that serious....I picked the Cardnials to win the Super Bowl....embarrassed myself.

No. It was the commentary that followed the predictions that made you look like fools.

How Northwestern had never seen such a pass rush.

How Northwestern had never seen such a pass offense.

How Northwestern had never seen such a crowd.

How Jacory Harris would be on his back.

How Northwestern had no idea what a Texas high school football team was like.

All silly. All ridiculous. All easily refutable by common sense.

Two NFL teams playing any single game could be considered a toss-up. So your prediction isn't silly.

What was said about Northwestern was silly.

[Canes0177]

It was also full of alot of mud slingers from Florida as well, dont play like you didn't read alot of the trash being spewed by a great many of Florida posters....And I recall there were several Florida posters banned from this board for doing the same. The point is you can go to EVERY states boards and they say stuff like that, yours included.

The moderator of this board, KT, made a ludicrous prediction in the same fashion as the common folk.

You would never see Michael Langston over at Flavarsity do anything of the sort.

It's a mob mentality over here. I bet less than 5 people have actually seen Bellevue play. But that doesn't stop 100 of them from giving their opinion that Katy will roll.

[F18mustang]

The moderator of this board, KT, made a ludicrous prediction in the same fashion as the common folk.

You would never see Michael Langston over at Flavarsity do anything of the sort.

It's a mod mentality over here. I bet less than 5 people have actually seen Bellevue play. But that doesn't stop 100 of them from giving their opinion that Katy will roll.

What do you expect them to say? "Oh Ive never seen them play so I won't talk about this game?" That ridiculous, especially for a passionate fan base such as Katy.

Get used to the way we do things on this board. People love to speculate. We could give a flying - the way Florida, or any other state, does things.

[dada]

Stay on topic!.....now it's a 2007 SLC/MNW thread....wow

[Canes0177]

SLC would have been one of the very best if not the best prior to 07' in any state. In 07' they would have been the best in all states outside of Texas and Florida. 07' Katy and 07' MNW was toss up either team could have won.

Stop with the OHIO, these teams are the most over-rated!!

Stop it with this Katy-MNW nonsense. Katy was a worse match than SLC.

[Canes0177]

What do you expect them to say? "Oh Ive never seen them play so I won't talk about this game?" That ridiculous, especially for a passionate fan base such as Katy.

Get used to the way we do things on this board. People love to speculate. We could give a flying - the way Florida, or any other state, does things.

Hence why you guys look like the yahoos that you are.

[dada]

Hence why you guys look like the yahoos that you are.

Why arent you on the Fla boards? Isnt the season about to start there too?

[Canes0177]

Carroll would still be undefeated if they played in Washington state.

Maybe.

Although it took an out of state team to stop their streak short of 60 in Texas. So that's not saying much.

[F18mustang]

Stop it with this Katy-MNW nonsense. Katy was a worse match than SLC.

Great. Leave us alone and go back to your civilized land. We don't want you here as much as you want to be here, apparently. But really this is the premier site for HS football in the premier state for HS football. I understand why you can't leave.

[Canes0177]

Why arent you on the Fla boards? Isnt the season about to start there too?

It's more interesting being surrounded by the characters on this board.

[Canes0177]

Great. Leave us alone and go back to your civilized land. We don't want you here as much as you want to be here, apparently. But really this is the premier site for HS football in the premier state for HS football. I understand why you can't leave.

Can't leave? I've hardly been around.

But I can see what you mean. I'm very efficient with my time. I make of points in short time.

[F18mustang]

Can't leave? I've hardly been around.

But I can see what you mean. I'm very efficient with my time. I make of points in short time.

Could I make it a point to show you back to your own message board?


Oh right, It wouldn't be as fun. Because bashing this state on littlest of point is fun. Digging up stuff from almost two years ago is fun. Being around a bunch of heehaw'in speculative yahoos is fun.

[cougmantx]

Can't leave? I've hardly been around.

But I can see what you mean. I'm very efficient with my time. I make of points in short time.

Canes0177, I've got no truck with you but I sense you are one of those Florida p***y's that run their mouth and then disappear when someone kicks them in it...let's see you show up after and if Katy wins and take your lumps like a man...:mad:

If Katy loses you will know where to find me...

[slcdragonfan]

Yeah, 10K screaming fans is not a mind game? But the travel, oh my! Those covered wagons rambling for weeks over the Cascade Mountain ranges and into the hot blazing thirst quenching desert! What the heck man are you just so out of it? Air travel--try it sometimes. The boys get on the plane, sit back and relax for 4 hours-- oh yeah real exhausting! Chartered bus from the airport to the hotel. Nice big pool outside. The travel is not an issue. It'll be the humidity and the fan factor.

If that is the USS Enterprise, congrats if you are on board. My grandfather served as a torpedo-bomber pilot, was onboard from 1941-1943. Thanks for your service!:notworthy

There is a 2-hour time delta, kids may have trouble getting to sleep the night before and waking the next day, my brother-in-law from Seattle always has trouble the first night down here in Dallas, that's where the travel issue comes in. And the fans can be an issue, when the only ones yelling are the enemy. This isn't a California game like I just saw on TV with Boscoe NJ playing somebody DLS? (and beating them), these are a sea of red fans. How many can Bellevue bring, 200, 1000? It is just one of the edge factors. So I stand by what I said, the fans/stadium, the travel, the weather, home field, all these intangibles go to Katy. If the teams are even, Katy wins.

[Kat-na-hat]

10k fans isn't a lot, but the travel, and Katy having 2 games under their belt is. If the stadium held 25k at least, then the fans would be a factor. Having played in front of 10k fans before, it isn't a huge deal.

Unlike most we do not sit on our hands....Loudest 10K in the nation and we are a factor......

[drgnbkr]

Stay on topic!.....now it's a 2007 SLC/MNW thread....wow

Carroll dominates threads like they do most teams in Texas...:D I guess the Dragons are .500 after throttling Evangel Christian and losing a close one to MNW. There may have been other out of state games but I can't recall...Is Perryton out of state? Lubbock?:D

[texalaska]

Unlike most we do not sit on our hands....Loudest 10K in the nation and we are a factor......

12th MAN! Sea of RED! "If Your In This Crowd, You Better Get LOUD!"

[F18mustang]

carroll dominates threads like they do most teams in texas...:d i guess the dragons are .500 after throttling evangel christian and losing a close one to mnw. There may have been other out of state games but i can't recall...is perryton out of state? lubbock?:d

ugh

[drgnbkr]

ugh

Sorry...just grabbed a random city...well maybe Lubbock is random...never mind...:p

[85Roughneck]

Note to Hitman: My thoughts and prayers are with your daughter. We are truly blessed that people like her are willing to put on the uniform and take on the responsibility of protecting our freedoms. My hat is off to her and to you for raising such a wonderful girl:notworthy

THIS !!! ... now ya' see there, this is something both Bellevue and Katy fans alike can agree on. ;)

[85Roughneck]

We just need to set em down with a big hunk of dry-rubbed Barbecued brisket and big tall ice cold beer and they'll get along just fine:D

hell yea !!! :D

[85Roughneck]

Question...

If Katy comes into this game 1-1 or 0-2, does it change anything? Or will the hype still be there?

it will change nothing ... :cool:

[85Roughneck]

I have a strange feeling that this game means more to Texas Pride than Washington Pride.

my friend, you are having an incorrect feeling.

[Dynastybegan86]

Oh I forgot one thing....

2005: "Lakeland is the best team in the history of Florida!"
2006: "Lakeland is the best team in the history of Florida!"
2007: "Northwestern is the best team in the history of Florida!"
2008: "Aquinas is the best team in the history of Florida!"

Darn state of Florida. It keeps turning out the greatest team in history. Year after year. Yet it's sucks at football compared to Texas.

"of Florida", that's the last nail in the coffin! You are correct..."of Florida" not "in History", just history of Florida! Enjoy!!

[Dynastybegan86]

I have a strange feeling that this game means more to Texas Pride than Washington Pride.

You are correct sir! We have more "RED"necks in Texas!!:D

[Hitman49]

Canes0177, I've got no truck with you but I sense you are one of those Florida p***y's that run their mouth and then disappear when someone kicks them in it...let's see you show up after and if Katy wins and take your lumps like a man...:mad:

If Katy loses you will know where to find me...

I believe cougmantx has been drinking tonight!! great post:notworthy

[Dynastybegan86]

Yes, but their success wouldn't be the same. They would have faced much better teams, but that wouldn't make their wing-t any better or worse. Bellevue doesn't win games only, because of their wing-t.

SO yes they would be "as successful" but it would be different??:confused:

I think I know what you mean. If Bellevue played elsewhere they would be successful, but not as successful as they are in Washington, yes?

[Hitman49]

Note to Hitman: My thoughts and prayers are with your daughter. We are truly blessed that people like her are willing to put on the uniform and take on the responsibility of protecting our freedoms. My hat is off to her and to you for raising such a wonderful girl:notworthy

Thank you! Dang, she is in her 2nd day of Air Force Boot Camp! I wonder what she is thinking now?

[NAVY FLIER]

If that is the USS Enterprise, congrats if you are on board. My grandfather served as a torpedo-bomber pilot, was onboard from 1941-1943. Thanks for your service!:notworthy

There is a 2-hour time delta, kids may have trouble getting to sleep the night before and waking the next day, my brother-in-law from Seattle always has trouble the first night down here in Dallas, that's where the travel issue comes in. And the fans can be an issue, when the only ones yelling are the enemy. This isn't a California game like I just saw on TV with Boscoe NJ playing somebody DLS? (and beating them), these are a sea of red fans. How many can Bellevue bring, 200, 1000? It is just one of the edge factors. So I stand by what I said, the fans/stadium, the travel, the weather, home field, all these intangibles go to Katy. If the teams are even, Katy wins.

I'm long retired. last flew in 91-92 co-piloted C2-A greyhounds usually doing a mail run. Nothing glamorous. No thanks are necessary.

I wasn't criticizing you but that Steeler guy. I understand that kick-off is 7PM. if they get there a few days before then the 2 hour time difference is a non factor. And I did say the 10K fans would be factor where steeler was saying it wouldn't be.

[228boot@9]

I would bet the farm that Katy holds them under 300 yards total offense.

How many acres is that farm Hitman??? :D

[Hitman49]

Oh I forgot one thing....

2005: "Lakeland is the best team in the history of Florida!"
2006: "Lakeland is the best team in the history of Florida!"
2007: "Northwestern is the best team in the history of Florida!"
2008: "Aquinas is the best team in the history of Florida!"

Darn state of Florida. It keeps turning out the greatest team in history. Year after year. Yet it's sucks at football compared to Texas.

You are correct...The best in Florida history only!!

MNW 06' and 07' was best of those by long shot...

Didn't ST. X ohio nearly beat Lakeland in 06'?? How could the best team in the history of Florida almost lose to a team from Ohio???

Funny how Aquinas toughest game come from Elder ohio??

Your best teams struggling to beat Ohio competition does nothing for me.

Florida showed there true colors last year when they lost just about every single major match up against OOS teams including the big 3 games played in Miami.

[F18mustang]

I'm long retired. last flew in 91-92 co-piloted C2-A greyhounds usually doing a mail run. Nothing glamorous. No thanks are necessary.


That is awesome....

[steeler 01]

SO yes they would be "as successful" but it would be different??:confused:

I think I know what you mean. If Bellevue played elsewhere they would be successful, but not as successful as they are in Washington, yes?

Their wing-t would be as successful, but their team wouldn't be as successful. There's a difference.

[steeler 01]

Yeah, 10K screaming fans is not a mind game? But the travel, oh my! Those covered wagons rambling for weeks over the Cascade Mountain ranges and into the hot blazing thirst quenching desert! What the heck man are you just so out of it? Air travel--try it sometimes. The boys get on the plane, sit back and relax for 4 hours-- oh yeah real exhausting! Chartered bus from the airport to the hotel. Nice big pool outside. The travel is not an issue. It'll be the humidity and the fan factor.

10k fans isn't enough to have a team jumping off sides, or causing confusion of audibles, but traveling in a plane isn't common for a H.S. team. Nor not sleeping at home prior to a game. Which is why I said that travel, and Katy having two games under their belt are the advantages Katy has.

If travel is that easy why don't the Texas teams ever do it?

[Dynastybegan86]

Their wing-t would be as successful, but their team wouldn't be as successful. There's a difference.

How so?:confused:

If their wing-t is as successful as it is in the PNW, why would there be a difference in their team success?:confused:

[Dynastybegan86]

10k fans isn't enough to have a team jumping off sides, or causing confusion of audibles, but traveling in a plane isn't common for a H.S. team. Nor not sleeping at home prior to a game. Which is why I said that travel, and Katy having two games under their belt are the advantages Katy has.

If travel is that easy why don't the Texas teams ever do it?

You've never been to the Jack!! :cool:

Texas teams do not need to travel out of state to travel long distances!! Plus, as has been stated numerous times, Texas teams do not need to travel oos to find better competition!:p

[steeler 01]

You are correct...The best in Florida history only!!
05 Lakeland, 06 and 07 MNW IMO could play with anybody.

MNW 06' and 07' was best of those by long shot...
05 Lakeland is right up there with those teams.

Didn't ST. X ohio nearly beat Lakeland in 06'?? How could the best team in the history of Florida almost lose to a team from Ohio???

Prior and after the game. Ohio folks said X played one of the best teams in Florida history. This is why Canes says that, but in reality the 06 Lakeland team wasn't as good as the 05 Lakeland team. Nor as good as the 06 or 07 MNW teams. 06 Lakeland couldn't throw the ball at all, but their defense was nasty.

Funny how Aquinas toughest game come from Elder ohio??
Elder's 2nd game and Aquinas's first game. The game was played in Ohio, and Elder was the state runner up. Although I think they were the 3rd best team in the state. Glenville being the 2nd best, but they had to play Iggy prior to the championship. Aquinas was up big in the 3rd quarter. The score isn't indicative of the whooping Aquinas laid on Elder.

Your best teams struggling to beat Ohio competition does nothing for me.
Let me guess, because Cedar Hill beat La Salle, and Bowie beat Trotwood Madison. Two ****** teams in the state of Ohio, against two top teams in the state of Texas.:rolleyes:

Florida showed there true colors last year when they lost just about every single major match up against OOS teams including the big 3 games played in Miami.
Florida played state champs with middle tier teams. When Texas plays state champions from other states that are good, and wins with their middle tier teams then talk. Buford last year beat a middle tier Texas team. That's basically what Florida was up against in almost every OOS match up they had.
^^

[steeler 01]

You've never been to the Jack!! :cool:

Texas teams do not need to travel out of state to travel long distances!! Plus, as has been stated numerous times, Texas teams do not need to travel oos to find better competition!:p

10k fans is 10k fans. That isn't a huge crowd.

I guess you forgot 07 already.:p

[steeler 01]

How so?:confused:

If their wing-t is as successful as it is in the PNW, why would there be a difference in their team success?:confused:

You're offense can do well, but you can still lose. Just look at Houston Madison when Young was there. Hell, look at the greatest show on turf in 2000.

[F18mustang]

You're offense can do well, but you can still lose. Just look at Houston Madison when Young was there. Hell, look at the greatest show on turf in 2000.

Defense wins championships and so far nothing on Bellevue's.

[steeler 01]

Defense wins championships and so far nothing on Bellevue's.

They've won championships, so they must have a defense. I think their offense overshadows their defense.

[SLC]

Who was closer to the truth?

I think you people embarrassed yourself in that thread.


Closer to what?


Go read all the comments on those Florida boards again Canes and you tell me if you read more than 10 posts that showed an ounce of respect toward the Carroll program or Texas football as a whole. You dont think the Florida fans embarrased themselves at all?:rolleyes:


You obviously dont know me to well, I know my football...on a national scale and I am quick to point out that Texas isnt gods gift to HSF and I personally do give other states respect and due when its deserved, but I'll be damned if you are going to sit there and claim that because "We Texans" make a freakin prediction, that it automatically means were showing a lack of respect toward the state being represented by whatever team it happens to be. WOW.

[SLC]

No. It was the commentary that followed the predictions that made you look like fools.

How SLC had never seen such a pass rush.

How SLC had never seen such a pass offense.

How SLC is just a bunch of rich white kids who cant play a lick of ball.

How Riley Dodge would be on his back.

How SLC had no idea what a Florida high school football team was like.

All silly. All ridiculous. All easily refutable by common sense.

Two NFL teams playing any single game could be considered a toss-up. So your prediction isn't silly.

What was said about SLC was silly.



See how that works?


It went both ways, even Ray and Stevie can see that.

[farmerfan]

Closer to what?


Go read all the comments on those Florida boards again Canes and you tell me if you read more than 10 posts that showed an ounce of respect toward the Carroll program or Texas football as a whole. You dont think the Florida fans embarrased themselves at all?:rolleyes:


You obviously dont know me to well, I know my football...on a national scale and I am quick to point out that Texas isnt gods gift to HSF and I personally do give other states respect and due when its deserved, but I'll be damned if you are going to sit there and claim that because "We Texans" make a freakin prediction, that it automatically means were showing a lack of respect toward the state being represented by whatever team it happens to be. WOW.


That is very true

[dada]

10k fans isn't enough to have a team jumping off sides, or causing confusion of audibles, but traveling in a plane isn't common for a H.S. team. Nor not sleeping at home prior to a game. Which is why I said that travel, and Katy having two games under their belt are the advantages Katy has.

If travel is that easy why don't the Texas teams ever do it?

LOL.....this guy is funny

[FP Trojan79]

Their wing-t would be as successful, but their team wouldn't be as successful. There's a difference.


Am i losing it all completely:eek:. or did that make no sense at all.

[texalaska]

You're offense can do well, but you can still lose. Just look at Houston Madison when Young was there. Hell, look at the greatest show on turf in 2000.


That playoff game against Madison/Vince Young was without our starting quarterback who had a broken wrist from previous game. We had a backup QB that had very little playing time.

That was 2001.

2000 went 16-0 and won State


FYI: From one of the 10,000 NON FACTOR RED-necks from Katy.

[cougmantx]

Thank you! Dang, she is in her 2nd day of Air Force Boot Camp! I wonder what she is thinking now?

You really don't want to know...:D

Probally couldn't be put on the board. The world as she knows it just did a 180...by the time it's over it will be old hat...

[Fleeman93]

LOL.....this guy is funny

Like a clown!


:D

[mapv281]

10k fans isn't enough to have a team jumping off sides, or causing confusion of audibles, but traveling in a plane isn't common for a H.S. team. Nor not sleeping at home prior to a game. Which is why I said that travel, and Katy having two games under their belt are the advantages Katy has.

If travel is that easy why don't the Texas teams ever do it?

A. Texans don't need to travel oos to find quality competition.

B. Every oos opponent wants to have the "Friday Night Lights" experience. There is a reason why all of those movies are based here, if you've never experienced playing HS FB in Texas you won't understand. Read every article about oos matchups against Texas teams and they all highlight the experience.

[Bellevue Pride]

10k fans isn't enough to have a team jumping off sides, or causing confusion of audibles, but traveling in a plane isn't common for a H.S. team. Nor not sleeping at home prior to a game. Which is why I said that travel, and Katy having two games under their belt are the advantages Katy has.

If travel is that easy why don't the Texas teams ever do it?


WHAT? This team crashed into a Semi going 60mph then flipped and slid down the freeway into a ditch. 3 days later won a semi-final game and 4 days after that won a Championship.

But, just so that you're convinced we'll have this handled, air service opened up here in the PNW not too long ago. We took them all down to the airport and showed them what a plane looks like so they don't get scared. Last but not least, when they go to sleep so far away from home, we're holding a teddy-bear drive so they'll have something to cuddle. Come game day, lots of chocolate milk and cookies, a trip to Mickey Ds for a happy meal and some play time in the ball pit.

[KT2000]

some play time in the ball pit.

Highly underrated entertainment right there.

That's how we should settle disputes on the board. Put the disagreeing parties in the pit and let them go until someone says "No Mas."

[dada]

what? This team crashed into a semi going 60mph then flipped and slid down the freeway into a ditch. 3 days later won a semi-final game and 4 days after that won a championship.

But, just so that you're convinced we'll have this handled, air service opened up here in the pnw not too long ago. We took them all down to the airport and showed them what a plane looks like so they don't get scared. Last but not least, when they go to sleep so far away from home, we're holding a teddy-bear drive so they'll have something to cuddle. Come game day, lots of chocolate milk and cookies, a trip to mickey ds for a happy meal and some play time in the ball pit.

:d

[prairiewinters]

Defense wins championships and so far nothing on Bellevue's.


Defense used to win championships. At least in college, it has shifted to offense wins championships. And please, get a face guard!!

[dada]

Home fields
Bellevue:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bellevue+HS&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=37.871902,56.337891&ie=UTF8&ll=47.602401,-122.198203&spn=0.000986,0.002736&t=h&z=19

Katy:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=jack+rhodes+stadium+katy&sll=36.110906,-79.507799&sspn=0.036057,0.055017&ie=UTF8&ll=29.796401,-95.805312&spn=0.001269,0.002736&t=h&z=19

[prairiewinters]

:d


some of the Bellevue fathers probably have a hand in making and designing those things called airplanes.

[dada]

some of the Bellevue fathers probably have a hand in making and designing those things called airplanes.

lol
Bellevue will get here the Thursday before the game.....gives them a little time to overcome the shock of flying.

[dada]

For the Bellevue fans wanting to catch a game Friday night with us, we will be at the Castle on Barker-Cypress:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=the+berry+center+tx&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=37.871902,56.337891&ie=UTF8&ll=29.905613,-95.688719&spn=0.002534,0.005472&t=h&z=18

[cajun]

Home fields
Bellevue:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bellevue+HS&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=37.871902,56.337891&ie=UTF8&ll=47.602401,-122.198203&spn=0.000986,0.002736&t=h&z=19

Katy:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=jack+rhodes+stadium+katy&sll=36.110906,-79.507799&sspn=0.036057,0.055017&ie=UTF8&ll=29.796401,-95.805312&spn=0.001269,0.002736&t=h&z=19

Both fields look 100 yards so that shouldn't be a problem...:D

[dada]

Both fields look 100 yards so that shouldn't be a problem...:D

I think one would be a "little" noisier than the other...., but you are absolutely right!:D

[cajun]

I think one would be a "little" nosier than the other...., but you are absolutely right!:D

Just looking for the Bellevue "positives"...:cool:

[Fleeman93]

Just looking for the Bellevue "positives"...:cool:


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[dada]

Just looking for the Bellevue "positives"...:cool:

Some of the positives are, they know how and expect to win, Championship pedigree, not used to losing.

Sort of how Katy "didn't know how to lose" against the Woodlands....how will Bellevue react if Katy jumps them right out of the gate?

9 days before North Shore and I'm talking Bellevue...I should ban myself.

[prairiewinters]

A. Texans don't need to travel oos to find quality competition.

B. Every oos opponent wants to have the "Friday Night Lights" experience. There is a reason why all of those movies are based here, if you've never experienced playing HS FB in Texas you won't understand. Read every article about oos matchups against Texas teams and they all highlight the experience.


a. don't need to but more important don't want to
b. I thought it was one movie, one tv series
c. Bellevue will also highlight the experience.........and be glad they live in the Pacific Northwest!
d. :)

[steeler 01]

A. Texans don't need to travel oos to find quality competition.

Like I said tell that to SLC.

B. Every oos opponent wants to have the "Friday Night Lights" experience. There is a reason why all of those movies are based here, if you've never experienced playing HS FB in Texas you won't understand. Read every article about oos matchups against Texas teams and they all highlight the experience.
Opinion or do you ask every coach that plays in Texas from OOS?
^^

[steeler 01]

That playoff game against Madison/Vince Young was without our starting quarterback who had a broken wrist from previous game. We had a backup QB that had very little playing time.

That was 2001.

2000 went 16-0 and won State


FYI: From one of the 10,000 NON FACTOR RED-necks from Katy.

No one was talking about Katy-Madison. I was giving an example of an offense doing well, but losing.

[texalaska]

Question for the Bellevue fans:

Who will be coming? Team, Coaches, Trainers...but who else?

Will they bring cheerleaders, drill team or band?

AND


I have "positive" for the Bellevue team:

The Florida team Katy played last year (Cy Bay) wanted to play us 2 years in a row at the Jack! After their whooping....changed their minds and decided not to play Katy. They backed out.


Bellevue stepped right up and said "We'll play Katy"
They were not intimidated. I like their style.


They and their fans seem very respectable.

I hope that the Bellevue team, coaches, fans and anyone else who travels to Texas for this game have a very memorable experience.

I hope that the Tigers and Bellevue play their very best and without injuries.
I hope the two teams respect each other because hey...they are both Champions in their respective States. And they BOTH will continue to be Champions after this game.

I hope the Bellevue fans who come down join the Katy fans and have a really great time.

I hope the Bellevue team take back memories that will last a lifetime.

I hope the game is close BUT I do hope Katy wins by at least a touchdown.


And lastly...


I just want the Bellevue fans to know YOU ARE WELCOMED to our great State of Texas! Come on down and stay awhile.

Tex

[dada]

Question for the Bellevue fans:

Who will be coming? Team, Coaches, Trainers...but who else?

Will they bring cheerleaders, drill team or band?

AND


I have "positive" for the Bellevue team:

The Florida team Katy played last year (Cy Bay) wanted to play us 2 years in a row at the Jack! After their whooping....changed their minds and decided not to play Katy. They backed out.


Bellevue stepped right up and said "We'll play Katy"
They were not intimidated. I like their style.


They and their fans seem very respectable.

I hope that the Bellevue team, coaches, fans and anyone else who travels to Texas for this game have a very memorable experience.

I hope that the Tigers and Bellevue play their very best and without injuries.
I hope the two teams respect each other because hey...they are both Champions in their respective States. And they BOTH will continue to be Champions after this game.

I hope the Bellevue fans who come down join the Katy fans and have a really great time.

I hope the Bellevue team take back memories that will last a lifetime.

I hope the game is close BUT I do hope Katy wins by at least a touchdown.


And lastly...


I just want the Bellevue fans to know YOU ARE WELCOMED to our great State of Texas! Come on down and stay awhile.

Tex


She means this....literally.....:D

I will see YOU Saturday!

[Fleeman93]

After doing some more research, I do think this game will be very close. I don't the the travel and heat will be a factor at all for Bellevue. Crowd noise could be an issue but Bellevue has played at Qwest field a number of times so it probably won't be that big of a deal. Bellevue is a very disciplined football team much like Katy and those are the most difficult to beat in my opinion. I feel that the team with the fewest mistakes will win this game.

Katy by 1

[drgnbkr]

I think one would be a "little" nosier than the other...., but you are absolutely right!:D

You guys are kind of nosey...:p

[dada]

You guys are kind of nosey...:p

Dang you! lol

[texalaska]

She means this....literally.....:D

I will see YOU Saturday!

It's a DATE. Saturday. Can't wait to see YOU!

[Bellevue Pride]

After doing some more research, I do think this game will be very close. I don't the the travel and heat will be a factor at all for Bellevue. Crowd noise could be an issue but Bellevue has played at Qwest field a number of times so it probably won't be that big of a deal. Bellevue is a very disciplined football team much like Katy and those are the most difficult to beat in my opinion. I feel that the team with the fewest mistakes will win this game.

Katy by 1

Who the heck is this and what did you do with Fleeman? We won't ask any more questions. We just want to know that he's safe!

[Fleeman93]

Who the heck is this and what did you do with Fleeman? We won't ask any more questions. We just want to know that he's safe!

I'm serious.

[The King]

I just went to the site to get my tickets and went to the meet the teams portion. Their was a nice write up about Katy and a blank page for Bellevue???

North Shore Isn't Just a Beach in Hawaii

KT 2000

[Kat-na-hat]

after doing some more research, i do think this game will be very close. I don't the the travel and heat will be a factor at all for bellevue. Crowd noise could be an issue but bellevue has played at qwest field a number of times so it probably won't be that big of a deal. Bellevue is a very disciplined football team much like katy and those are the most difficult to beat in my opinion. I feel that the team with the fewest mistakes will win this game.

Katy by 1


wow....

[Dynastybegan86]

You're offense can do well, but you can still lose. Just look at Houston Madison when Young was there. Hell, look at the greatest show on turf in 2000.

Ok, well that still doesn't answer the question steeler. If Bellevue would be as successful here as they are in the PNW, how could it be that their offense could be successful and they could still lose. I undertsand Bellevue doesn't win every game they play, but they win 98% of them, so it just doesn't make since for you to say that their offense would be as successful here in Texas, but their team success would be different?? You might have to spell it out for me, it just makes no sense. Why look at HouMad? VY was a man amongst boys but HouMad didn't run the wing-t, what's your point?:confused:

[Dynastybegan86]

I'm seriously smoking crack this morning.

Fify! Talk about clowns....ughhmm!

[Dynastybegan86]

I just went to the site to get my tickets and went to the meet the teams portion. Their was a nice write up about Katy and a blank page for Bellevue???

North Shore Isn't Just a Beach in Hawaii

KT 2000

OK King, you will receive no extra credit for writing in a larger font! We know the Beast from the East is coming to town, there's a thread for it and everything....hint....hint!;)

[Dynastybegan86]

^^

Hey steeler, SC didn't travel did they??? That's the point! Texas doesn't need to travel to find quality competition! Other states do, however, and that's great! It doesn't mean that there are no quality opponents outside of Texas. Of course there are and MNW was certainly a quality opponent. However, SC could have played ET, CHill, Katy, NS.......and would have received as big a challenge. Do you understand now! Geez, it's not a smack on oos opponents!

[DragonFan0316]

Hard to believe the USA Today #3 team in the nation will get beat by Bellevue. I guess we will find out on the field. Go Katy!!

[steeler 01]

Ok, well that still doesn't answer the question steeler. If Bellevue would be as successful here as they are in the PNW, how could it be that their offense could be successful and they could still lose. I undertsand Bellevue doesn't win every game they play, but they win 98% of them, so it just doesn't make since for you to say that their offense would be as successful here in Texas, but their team success would be different?? You might have to spell it out for me, it just makes no sense. Why look at HouMad? VY was a man amongst boys but HouMad didn't run the wing-t, what's your point?:confused:

My point was that offenses can be successful, and you can still lose. If Bellevue's wing-t scored 30 points per game, and they lost is that the offenses fault? Pretty easy to understand

[Dynastybegan86]

My point was that offenses can be successful, and you can still lose. If Bellevue's wing-t scored 30 points per game, and they lost is that the offenses fault? Pretty easy to understand

Just say it Steeler!! Quit walking around it, SAY IT!:cool:

[Fleeman93]

Fify! Talk about clowns....ughhmm!

Have seen a few things I didn't see before. It will be close.

[steeler 01]

Hey steeler, SC didn't travel did they??? That's the point! Texas doesn't need to travel to find quality competition! Other states do, however, and that's great! It doesn't mean that there are no quality opponents outside of Texas. Of course there are and MNW was certainly a quality opponent. However, SC could have played ET, CHill, Katy, NS.......and would have received as big a challenge. Do you understand now! Geez, it's not a smack on oos opponents!
Texas doesn't need to travel or just don't want to travel? No team from Cali or Florida have to travel, but they do. It's called testing yourself.

As far as SLC receiving as much of a challenge from those teams you mentioned, they wouldn't have. None of those teams were equal to MNW. As much as you'd like to wish they were, they weren't.

[Dynastybegan86]

Have seen a few things I didn't see before. It will be close.

Did they get some move-ins or something? DO Tell!!!

[steeler 01]

Just say it Steeler!! Quit walking around it, SAY IT!:cool:

Say what? What I've been saying for the 100th time. Offenses having success doesn't always equate to winning. I've given you tons of proof. Go ask the 2000 Rams what having the best offense does for you.

[Dynastybegan86]

Texas doesn't need to travel or just don't want to travel? No team from Cali or Florida have to travel, but they do. It's called testing yourself.

As far as SLC receiving as much of a challenge from those teams you mentioned, they wouldn't have. None of those teams were equal to MNW. As much as you'd like to wish they were, they weren't.

Why thank you Mr. AllknowingofTexasFootballandoftheUS

As much as you'd like to "wish" teams from Cali and Florida "don't need to travel" they do! Traveling is stupid, it cost money and time, plus there is a huge liability to school district! Also, what good does it do? You say "it's called testing yourself" whatever dude! Any team can be teasted in their own backyard! There's no need to travel around the block to see if you can match-up with other teams when you can only play for your blocks championship!! Maybe it would be different if there was a national championship, then it would be neccessary for one team to find out where they stand against another "block's" team, until then it's WOMBAT!

[Hitman49]

Say what? What I've been saying for the 100th time. Offenses having success doesn't always equate to winning. I've given you tons of proof. Go ask the 2000 Rams what having the best offense does for you.

Katy will hold them to under 300 yards total offense!! It would not shock me if they held them to much less then that...Katy is going to control the clock and the ball in this game...

[Fleeman93]

Did they get some move-ins or something? DO Tell!!!

Just going to say I think it will be a lot closer than I originally thought.

[Dynastybegan86]

Say what? What I've been saying for the 100th time. Offenses having success doesn't always equate to winning. I've given you tons of proof. Go ask the 2000 Rams what having the best offense does for you.

DEFENSE!! my good fan, DEFENSE is what you want to say, yes?

[Hitman49]

Say what? What I've been saying for the 100th time. Offenses having success doesn't always equate to winning. I've given you tons of proof. Go ask the 2000 Rams what having the best offense does for you.

Katy will hold them to under 300 yards total offense!! It would not shock me if they held them to much less then that...Katy is going to control the clock and the ball in this game...

[steeler 01]

Why thank you Mr. AllknowingofTexasFootballandoftheUS

As much as you'd like to "wish" teams from Cali and Florida "don't need to travel" they do! Traveling is stupid, it cost money and time, plus there is a huge liability to school district! Also, what good does it do? You say "it's called testing yourself" whatever dude! Any team can be teasted in their own backyard! There's no need to travel around the block to see if you can match-up with other teams when you can only play for your blocks championship!! Maybe it would be different if there was a national championship, then it would be neccessary for one team to find out where they stand against another "block's" team, until then it's WOMBAT!

Look at Servite or Poly's schedule and tell me Cali teams have to travel.;) This we don't have to travel crap is pathetic. No, we'll just stay home, and if OOS teams want to play our teams here great, if not, oh well. We are the best, cause we say it the most, and have tons of fans that come to our games, and don't forget we have big bands to. We all know bands make a difference on how good a team is.:rolleyes:

You must love the SEC then. Play ****** non conference teams at home, and proclaim you're greatness with a championship appearance against Ohio State or Oklahoma. Why travel when you can say you're the best by doing that.:rolleyes:

[Fleeman93]

Katy will hold them to under 300 yards total offense!! It would not shock me if they held them to much less then that...Katy is going to control the clock and the ball in this game...

I'm not so sure about this. If Katy's offense scores at will on Bellevue's defense (don't think it will happen against Bellevue's defense) then that wouldn't constitute much ball control. Very close game.

[steeler 01]

DEFENSE!! my good fan, DEFENSE is what you want to say, yes?

and Special Teams. 3 facets to a football game.

[dada]

Look at Servite or Poly's schedule and tell me Cali teams have to travel.;) This we don't have to travel crap is pathetic. No, we'll just stay home, and if OOS teams want to play our teams here great, if not, oh well. We are the best, cause we say it the most, and have tons of fans that come to our games, and don't forget we have big bands to. We all know bands make a difference on how good a team is.:rolleyes:

You must love the SEC then. Play ****** non conference teams at home, and proclaim you're greatness with a championship appearance against Ohio State or Oklahoma. Why travel when you can say you're the best by doing that.:rolleyes:

Are you playing for National titles or State titles? Recently I've seen interviews from coaches WANTING to travel to Texas for the experience.

[Fleeman93]

Look at Servite or Poly's schedule and tell me Cali teams have to travel.;) This we don't have to travel crap is pathetic. No, we'll just stay home, and if OOS teams want to play our teams here great, if not, oh well. We are the best, cause we say it the most, and have tons of fans that come to our games, and don't forget we have big bands to. We all know bands make a difference on how good a team is.:rolleyes:

You must love the SEC then. Play ****** non conference teams at home, and proclaim you're greatness with a championship appearance against Ohio State or Oklahoma. Why travel when you can say you're the best by doing that.:rolleyes:

Let me ask you this Steeler. If KISD had open enrollment like that one team you are talking about from Cali (?) do you think that Cali team would really stand a chance? Do remember that here in Texas teams with much less talent and far better coaching almost always beat those D1 loaded teams. What do you think?

[Fleeman93]

Are you playing for National titles or State titles? Recently I've seen interviews from coaches WANTING to travel to Texas for the experience.

Um excuse me sir, they don't play for state titles, they play for sectional titles (whatever the hell that means). How many titles would Katy have if they only played for sectional titles. :rolleyes:

[dada]

Um excuse me sir, they don't play for state titles, they play for sectional titles (whatever the hell that means). How many titles would Katy have if they only played for sectional titles. :rolleyes:

So they Sectional Title is equivilent to a Regional Title?

Katy's water tower would look like this:
1959, 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2008

[Fleeman93]

So they Sectional Title is equivilent to a Regional Title?

Katy's water tower would look like this:
1959, 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2008

Not all that much different.

:D

[PrepGridiron]

Um excuse me sir, they don't play for state titles, they play for sectional titles (whatever the hell that means). How many titles would Katy have if they only played for sectional titles. :rolleyes:

Gentlemen, this is my first post, but I have been enjoying the banter. As for how many sectional titles Katy would have won, it would depend on the section. If they played in the Northern Section I would imagine they would never lose. But, if they played in the Pac-5, then they would probably have the same success that they have enjoyed in Texas.

[Canes0177]

You are correct...The best in Florida history only!!

MNW 06' and 07' was best of those by long shot...

Didn't ST. X ohio nearly beat Lakeland in 06'?? How could the best team in the history of Florida almost lose to a team from Ohio???

Funny how Aquinas toughest game come from Elder ohio??

Your best teams struggling to beat Ohio competition does nothing for me.

Florida showed there true colors last year when they lost just about every single major match up against OOS teams including the big 3 games played in Miami.

Yet those teams won 4 straight national championships.

That's my point genius. The Ohio people claimed that 2006 Lakeland was the greatest team in Florida history.

It seems every year a team gets that label. Not from us but from outsiders. I wonder why?

Our toughest game was our 1st game. Which is the case almost every year.

When your state plays the best teams from all other states (or 2nd best teams) it's tough to win.

BTW shouldn't have been in that game. Northwestern was ill-prepared to play a big game like that in the preseason. Only Pahokee won a state championship and that was in small 2B. And they were winning by 27 points in the 2nd half before it fell apart.

Not everybody can play hand-picked patsies like Texas.

Bingham (UT)
Trotwood-Madison (OH)
Warren Howland (OH)
LaSalle (OH)

Even the better teams (Bellevue) get mocked for being weak.

[steeler 01]

[QUOTE=Fleeman93;1269314]Let me ask you this Steeler. If KISD had open enrollment like that one team you are talking about from Cali (?) do you think that Cali team would really stand a chance? [/B]Do remember that here in Texas teams with much less talent and far better coaching almost always beat those D1 loaded teams. What do you think?
Do you think they wouldn't? Take all of KISD, and you still don't match the LBP teams talent.


I think I've said many times that these teams loaded with division 1 talent, are not really loaded. They have gaping holes. Line play being the most obvious in almost all teams with these perceived all star team. Which is what the common football viewer doesn't understand. So that perceived all star team, really isn't an all star team. Not to mention d1 kids a lot of the time are taken on frames, not by how good they are. I've given examples before, and have heard from some friends. How some college coaches try and get rid of the guys that really aren't d1 guys, but got schollies. Poly isn't one of these all star teams with no line play. Their strength are their lines. Which is why their always good.

Give me a team with good line play, and you take these all star skill position players, with ****** line play. The team with the good line play is gonna run it down the skill position all stars all day. Not a damn thing they'll be able to do either.

[Canes0177]

Closer to what?


Go read all the comments on those Florida boards again Canes and you tell me if you read more than 10 posts that showed an ounce of respect toward the Carroll program or Texas football as a whole. You dont think the Florida fans embarrased themselves at all?:rolleyes:


You obviously dont know me to well, I know my football...on a national scale and I am quick to point out that Texas isnt gods gift to HSF and I personally do give other states respect and due when its deserved, but I'll be damned if you are going to sit there and claim that because "We Texans" make a freakin prediction, that it automatically means were showing a lack of respect toward the state being represented by whatever team it happens to be. WOW.

Many of our fans embarrass the state of Florida. But not with the style and pizazz that they do in Texas.

[Hitman49]

I'm not so sure about this. If Katy's offense scores at will on Bellevue's defense (don't think it will happen against Bellevue's defense) then that wouldn't constitute much ball control. Very close game.

No- Katy will totally control the clock in this game... 38-10

[steeler 01]

Gentlemen, this is my first post, but I have been enjoying the banter. As for how many sectional titles Katy would have won, it would depend on the section. If they played in the Northern Section I would imagine they would never lose. But, if they played in the Pac-5, then they would probably have the same success that they have enjoyed in Texas.

If they played in the Northern Section they'd play DLS every year, and if they played in the Pac 5 they would have been playing the Ike team of 93,Los Al team of 94 and 98, Loyola of the 90's and early 00's, Amat of the early 90's, MD team of the 90's and Poly team of the 90's, and 00's. That was a tough road for anyone.

[steeler 01]

If they played in the Northern Section they'd play DLS every year, and if they played in the Pac 5 they would have been playing the Ike team of 93,Los Al team of 94 and 98, Loyola of the 90's and early 00's, Amat of the early 90's, MD team of the 90's and Poly team of the 90's, and 00's. That was a tough road for anyone.

I didn't even mention my H.S. Fontana which was a heavyweight as well during the 90's.

[dada]

All of this is nice and dandy....but what does it have to do with Sept. 12th, 2009 in a matchup between Bellevue Washington and Katy Tx?

[PrepGridiron]

If they played in the Northern Section they'd play DLS every year, and if they played in the Pac 5 they would have been playing the Ike team of 93,Los Al team of 94 and 98, Loyola of the 90's and early 00's, Amat of the early 90's, MD team of the 90's and Poly team of the 90's, and 00's. That was a tough road for anyone.

No, De La Salle is in the North Coast Section, not the Northern Section. The Northern Section is comprised of the area in the Northeastern part of the state. The Pac-5 is only a recent creation (i.e., last five years or so), so I'm only talking about the that period of time.

[dada]

No, De La Salle is in the North Coast Section, not the Northern Section. The Northern Section is comprised of the area in the Northeastern part of the state. The Pac-5 is only a recent creation (i.e., last five years or so), so I'm only talking about the that period of time.

No Pal, YOU are wrong....Steeler IS High School Football in America....he's never wrong. If he disagrees with you, it's because YOU are wrong.:D

[Hitman49]

[QUOTE=Fleeman93;1269314]Let me ask you this Steeler. If KISD had open enrollment like that one team you are talking about from Cali (?) do you think that Cali team would really stand a chance? [/B]Do remember that here in Texas teams with much less talent and far better coaching almost always beat those D1 loaded teams. What do you think?
Do you think they wouldn't? Take all of KISD, and you still don't match the LBP teams talent.


I think I've said many times that these teams loaded with division 1 talent, are not really loaded. They have gaping holes. Line play being the most obvious in almost all teams with these perceived all star team. Which is what the common football viewer doesn't understand. So that perceived all star team, really isn't an all star team. Not to mention d1 kids a lot of the time are taken on frames, not by how good they are. I've given examples before, and have heard from some friends. How some college coaches try and get rid of the guys that really aren't d1 guys, but got schollies. Poly isn't one of these all star teams with no line play. Their strength are their lines. Which is why their always good.

Give me a team with good line play, and you take these all star skill position players, with ****** line play. The team with the good line play is gonna run it down the skill position all stars all day. Not a damn thing they'll be able to do either.

I am tell you Cedar Hill is like this!! They have big athletic lineman, many have gone on to play big time these past few years. They got more coming. Don't you remember the team that won state? That QB never got touched all year, he ran at will.

[PrepGridiron]

No Pal, YOU are wrong....Steeler IS High School Football in America....he's never wrong. If he disagrees with you, it's because YOU are wrong.:D

Guess I didn't make a good impression then with my first post. :)

[Fleeman93]

Yet those teams won 4 straight national championships.

That's my point genius. The Ohio people claimed that 2006 Lakeland was the greatest team in Florida history.

It seems every year a team gets that label. Not from us but from outsiders. I wonder why?

Our toughest game was our 1st game. Which is the case almost every year.

When your state plays the best teams from all other states (or 2nd best teams) it's tough to win.

BTW shouldn't have been in that game. Northwestern was ill-prepared to play a big game like that in the preseason. Only Pahokee won a state championship and that was in small 2B. And they were winning by 27 points in the 2nd half before it fell apart.

Not everybody can play hand-picked patsies like Texas.

Bingham (UT)
Trotwood-Madison (OH)
Warren Howland (OH)
LaSalle (OH)

Even the better teams (Bellevue) get mocked for being weak.


Can you show me a picture of the 4 trophies? Maybe a picture of any of the trophies?

[dada]

Can you show me a picture of the 4 trophies? Maybe a picture of any of the trophies?

When are the National Playoffs?
Like I always say, would you rather have a quarter horse or a unicorn?

[Fleeman93]

[QUOTE=Fleeman93;1269314]Let me ask you this Steeler. If KISD had open enrollment like that one team you are talking about from Cali (?) do you think that Cali team would really stand a chance? [/B]Do remember that here in Texas teams with much less talent and far better coaching almost always beat those D1 loaded teams. What do you think?
Do you think they wouldn't? Take all of KISD, and you still don't match the LBP teams talent.


I think I've said many times that these teams loaded with division 1 talent, are not really loaded. They have gaping holes. Line play being the most obvious in almost all teams with these perceived all star team. Which is what the common football viewer doesn't understand. So that perceived all star team, really isn't an all star team. Not to mention d1 kids a lot of the time are taken on frames, not by how good they are. I've given examples before, and have heard from some friends. How some college coaches try and get rid of the guys that really aren't d1 guys, but got schollies. Poly isn't one of these all star teams with no line play. Their strength are their lines. Which is why their always good.

Give me a team with good line play, and you take these all star skill position players, with ****** line play. The team with the good line play is gonna run it down the skill position all stars all day. Not a damn thing they'll be able to do either.

Um I think your Poly team is the all star team that doesn't have the great coaching right?

[Pool Man]

Can you show me a picture of the 4 trophies? Maybe a picture of any of the trophies?


:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh

[dada]

KATY/ BELLEVUE or to the yard you go!

[cougmantx]

Guess I didn't make a good impression then with my first post. :)

Thought you first post was good...welcome to the board!

[Fleeman93]

No, De La Salle is in the North Coast Section, not the Northern Section. The Northern Section is comprised of the area in the Northeastern part of the state. The Pac-5 is only a recent creation (i.e., last five years or so), so I'm only talking about the that period of time.

Did you just correct Steeler on HS football, no wait, California HS football? Administrators can we get a BANHAMMER in here please!

[steeler 01]

Not everybody can play hand-picked patsies like Texas.

Bingham (UT)
Trotwood-Madison (OH)
Warren Howland (OH)
LaSalle (OH)

Even the better teams (Bellevue) get mocked for being weak.

I think the biggest thing is, the teams these scrub teams face. Texas doesn't send a scrub team in any of these games. These scrub OOS teams face some of Texas's best or at least a solid Texas team.

LaSalle, Warren Howland, and Trotwood-Madison are all scrubs in Ohio.

Cedar Hill, Bowie, and Klein Forest are not scrubs in Texas. Klein Forest being the weakest team of the 3, but their still a lot better than Warren Howland is in Ohio. Warren Howland is a division 2 school in Ohio that sucks. Cedar Hill and Bowie are top 20 teams in Texas, and maybe top 15. Huge difference, but Hitman, or any other homer will not look at the facts. They'll just chalk up the W, and boast.

[SLC]

Gentlemen, this is my first post, but I have been enjoying the banter. As for how many sectional titles Katy would have won, it would depend on the section. If they played in the Northern Section I would imagine they would never lose. But, if they played in the Pac-5, then they would probably have the same success that they have enjoyed in Texas.


Welcome ot the board my friend. Dont you know better than to disagree (See-Be Right) with Steeler.:D


Again, welcome to the 5A community.

[SLC]

Did you just correct Steeler on HS football, no wait, California HS football? Administrators can we get a BANHAMMER in here please!



:notworthy:notworthy

[cougmantx]

Guess I didn't make a good impression then with my first post. :)

Have you seen Bellevue play? If so what is your experience with them, what's your thoughts on the team and this match up?

I pretty much decided a while back they had a pretty good defense because they held a good Skyline team to 6. I have watched the DVD of the Bellevue and Union game and liked their execution but think that Union was a terrible match up for them. The tackeling left a lot to be desired and although Bellevue was better, not by that much better in that game. To me the Bellevue offense was the key to that game, that and the fact that Union was just way out played and out coached.

[Fleeman93]

When are the National Playoffs?
Like I always say, would you rather have a quarter horse or a unicorn?

No, no, let's give the big guy from Florida the benefit of the doubt. He didn't say "they would have 4 national titles" he said "they won 4 straight national titles" so there must be proof of it. I'm sure he can produce something concrete to support his statement.

[PrepGridiron]

Welcome ot the board my friend. Dont you know better than to disagree (See-Be Right) with Steeler.:D


Again, welcome to the 5A community.

You can always check the facts out for yourself:

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/mLIQxXM6z0uIVZbJmNjibg/de-la-salle-spartans/football/home.htm (See the section DLS is in)

http://www.lhsoc.org/213524.ihtml (see the first line: "OLu won the first ever CIF-SS Pac-5 Championship in 2006)

[steeler 01]

No, De La Salle is in the North Coast Section, not the Northern Section. The Northern Section is comprised of the area in the Northeastern part of the state. The Pac-5 is only a recent creation (i.e., last five years or so), so I'm only talking about the that period of time.

DLS is 4A north coast section. The pac 5 is division 1/ big 5. It just changed its name. If Katy was in the North Coast Section their enrollment would make them 4A. Which would have them playing DLS for the 4A NCS championship.

I forgot there is a Northern section. I meant the NCS. The northern is a ****** section with 6 or 7 leagues.

[PrepGridiron]

Have you seen Bellevue play? If so what is your experience with them, what's your thoughts on the team and this match up?

I pretty much decided a while back they had a pretty good defense because they held a good Skyline team to 6. I have watched the DVD of the Bellevue and Union game and liked their execution but think that Union was a terrible match up for them. The tackeling left a lot to be desired and although Bellevue was better, not by that much better in that game. To me the Bellevue offense was the key to that game, that and the fact that Union was just way out played and out coached.

If you really want my opinion, I wrote a blog entry about it...feel free to check it out. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback.

www.prepgridiron.com

[dada]

You can always check the facts out for yourself:

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/mLIQxXM6z0uIVZbJmNjibg/de-la-salle-spartans/football/home.htm (See the section DLS is in)

http://www.lhsoc.org/213524.ihtml (see the first line: "OLu won the first ever CIF-SS Pac-5 Championship in 2006)

How dare you post FACTS....

we are here to talk about Matchups that didnt and will not happen and mythical national championships.

Facts are not allowed here.If you want to continue to post on THIS board, in THIS thread, you had better post an OPINION...and then force it on everyone else.....don't make me tell you again or you are outta here.

[SLC]

You can always check the facts out for yourself:

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/mLIQxXM6z0uIVZbJmNjibg/de-la-salle-spartans/football/home.htm (See the section DLS is in)

http://www.lhsoc.org/213524.ihtml (see the first line: "OLu won the first ever CIF-SS Pac-5 Championship in 2006)


Oh no, no need to check...I believed you when you wrote the first post...Thats why I said you shouldnt disagree with Steeler...He always THINKS he's right, you however, WERE right.:D

[SLC]

If you really want my opinion, I wrote a blog entry about it...feel free to check it out. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback.

www.prepgridiron.com


Oh no, now you've done it... In a matter of minutes you've disagreed with Steeler AND Katy....Your days are numbered my friend, numbered.:)

[dada]

Oh no, now you've done it... In a matter of minutes you've disagreed with Steeler AND Katy....Your days are numbered my friend, numbered.:)

Naaah....he's good....read the very last paragraph.;)

[cougmantx]

If you really want my opinion, I wrote a blog entry about it...feel free to check it out. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback.

www.prepgridiron.com

Well written and an insight into the thought process of Bellevues coaching. There were a few things that I would take issue with but Sam Holl will explain that on the field. :D

I think this needs to go up on the bulliten board in the field house!

I am SO looking forward to this game...bring it on!

Thanks for sharing!

[SLC]

Well written and an insight into the thought process of Bellevues coaching. There were a few things that I would take issue with but Sam Holl will explain that on the field. :D

I think this needs to go up on the bulliten board in the field house!

I am SO looking forward to this game...bring it on!

Thanks for sharing!




As I'm sure this thread has in theirs.:D

[SLC]

Naaah....he's good....read the very last paragraph.;)


I know it...Just playing with him.

[dada]

If you really want my opinion, I wrote a blog entry about it...feel free to check it out. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback.

www.prepgridiron.com

Nice.......

I actually think the scheduling helps Katy.....pulling starters early against Earl Marriot will make it seem as if the Katy game IS the first game of the season. Katy will be battle tested against two great teams and SHOULD be running smoothly while on the other hand, Bellevue will be 2500 miles from home trying to get into a full game rhythm againt a stout defense, in a hostile environment. You CAN'T discount the homefield....Poly, DLS and Cal High ALL traveled TO Seattle.

And Sam Holl has been the leading tackler in a LOT of games, I don't see that as a problem for Katy....maybe for the Bellevue ball carriers, but not for Katy.:)

I also agree on the fact that Bellevue won't show anything in their first game. I don't expect them to come to Texas running the spread offense though. Katy should have an "idea" being that every team in Washington sent them tape the moment the game was set......guess a lot of Washington schools WANT to see Bellevue go down...lol

[SLC]

If you really want my opinion, I wrote a blog entry about it...feel free to check it out. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback.

www.prepgridiron.com


Very well written sir. Excellent read.:)

[cougmantx]

As I'm sure this thread has in theirs.:D

OH NO DOUBT!

I think I am going to go to the market, get some wild Salmon from our brothers in the PNW for supper, come back and put on the Bellevue and Union game again and watch how many times the RB's run behind the pulling guards.

Then tomorrow morning I'm going to watch North Shores scrimmage and come back in the evening to watch Katy's scrimmage and then I am going to enjoy the next week before we play the monster from the east!

I have been saying all along that Bellevue will have some surprises for us, i.e. a few play action fakes, more passing, a veer here and there, draw plays, play to the opposite side of the pulling guards...if I can figure this stuff out, I know coach J will have dissected Bellevue's offense and defense in ways I never imagined. Should be a great game.

[steeler 01]

Oh no, no need to check...I believed you when you wrote the first post...Thats why I said you shouldnt disagree with Steeler...He always THINKS he's right, you however, WERE right.:D

He was right with the section. I forgot there's a northern section. Just figured northern DLS, but they play in the North Coast.

As far as the Pac 5. It changes its name. In the 60's till 77 it was AAAA, from 78-89 it was the Big 5. In the 90's division 1, and now the pac 5, but it's always the top section and division in the state. Nothing, but the name, and some teams coming in and out change.

[prairiewinters]

If you really want my opinion, I wrote a blog entry about it...feel free to check it out. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback.

www.prepgridiron.com

nicely written Mr. Texas

[PrepGridiron]

He was right with the section. I forgot there's a northern section. Just figured northern DLS, but they play in the North Coast.

As far as the Pac 5. It changes its name. In the 60's till 77 it was AAAA, from 78-89 it was the Big 5. In the 90's division 1, and now the pac 5, but it's always the top section and division in the state. Nothing, but the name, and some teams coming in and out change.

Hey brother, I don't want it to come off as me trying to put you on your heels. God knows that you need more Cali brethren on this Texas-dominated board. But remember, you called me out.

As for the Pac-5, you are right, its basically a name change from Division I, but the addition of teams like Notre Dame and Mission Viejo make this arguably a tougher Division than it was under its previous names.

[prairiewinters]

are we getting near record territory with 235 pages and counting?

[cougmantx]

are we getting near record territory with 235 pages and counting?

I dont' think we are even close...

[Fleeman93]

If you really want my opinion, I wrote a blog entry about it...feel free to check it out. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback.

www.prepgridiron.com

Very nice article PG (your new nickname :D ). Here is how I would counter those points if were discussing:

Scheduling: - The only thing I can say here is that on paper this Katy team has the POTENTIAL to be discussed as one of the best Katy teams ever. The only thing I could guess is that Coach Goncharoff may see a weakness that he feels he can exploit but I certainly don't see any glaring weaknesses with this Katy team. Something could be said for catching Katy early in the year when their coaching hasn't taken it's full toll on the team (usually week 8 or so) but then again this will be a very experienced Katy team. This won't be a Katy team that Bellevue has caught in a down year like De La Salle the season they lost 3 games(?). If Bellevue does win this game then they will deserve every bit of respect from the rest of the country because they will have done it against a damn good Katy team and program.

Scheduling (Part 2): - Does playing a cup cake help or hurt more than being tested and exposing weakness. We will never know but it is possible that North Shore and or the Woodlands could be every bit as good as Bellevue (might be able to make some kind of a comparison based on scores). The only drawback to me for Katy would be injuries but if that is how you play the game then you don't need to be playing in the first place.

The Wing-T: - It certainly does look good and I am sure it will be a real pleasure to watch. Bellevue will be playing a Katy team who's strength will be stopping the run. It is my understanding that the first thing defensive players learn when they step into the Katy program is how to stop the wing-T. I have very little doubt that Coach Joseph and his defensive staff will have the ins and outs of that offense worked out prior to the game. To me stopping the Wing-T is all about discipline and Coach Joseph enforces that on his defense. Should be a great match up.

Been there, done that: - In most state polls Katy has the top spot to kick off the season and that has never happened before. Not sure which games that Bellevue has played other than obviously state championship games that would be more important. Although the win over De La Salle did end the huge win streak you have to question how impressive it was considering De La Salle went on to lose the next week also. Would be curious to know what the bigger games would be in your opinion.

Nothing to Lose: - Really no way to argue this one. The deck is stacked against Bellevue and it will be a monster win if they can pull it out. In my opinion the only way Katy will really prove anything to anyone with this game is if they easily handle Bellevue.

Honorable Mention: - Katy returns a very experienced team after winning state and taking 3 losses last year and I think those three losses won't be forgotten by this group. I believe Katy will go into every game with a chip on their shoulder and a feeling that they have something to prove. I don't see how the chemistry won't be here for this group but if it isn't there early then the coaches will work it in with time.

I really wish this game could be played inside somewhere because the humidity will take it's toll on both Bellevue and Katy with a much more apparent effect on Bellevue and there is no two ways to look at that.

[steeler 01]

Hey brother, I don't want it to come off as me trying to put you on your heels. God knows that you need more Cali brethren on this Texas-dominated board. But remember, you called me out.

As for the Pac-5, you are right, its basically a name change from Division I, but the addition of teams like Notre Dame and Mission Viejo make this arguably a tougher Division than it was under its previous names.

Glad to have you.


Actually Notre Dame and Mission Viejo used to be in division 1. They got bumped down, and are now back in. Mission Viejo used to be in the old SCL with Mater Dei in the 90's. The league used to do bad in the playoffs so they got bumped down, and MD got moved to another league(Serra, Del Rey or Angelus don't recall). Notre Dame was also in division 1. They were in the Serra or Del Rey(Don't recall) with Amat, Bosco, and Loyola. Back when Amat and Loyola were powers. Notre Dame wouldn't make the playoffs, so they got bumped down to division 3.

I think the pac 5 is as tough as it was in the 90's. Ike, Fontana, Amat, and Loyola were powers during that time. You could say Mission and Notre Dame have not had a team during their stay in the pac 5, that is anywhere near as good as those teams had in their hey day.

[The King]

Well written and an insight into the thought process of Bellevues coaching. There were a few things that I would take issue with but Sam Holl will explain that on the field. :D

I think this needs to go up on the bulliten board in the field house!

I am SO looking forward to this game...bring it on!

Thanks for sharing!

That can be arranged

[cougmantx]

That can be arranged

Please and thank you!

[cajun]

If Bellevue loses will the Bellevue kids cry?

If Katy loses will the Katy kids cry?

How bout the coaches?

[drgnbkr]

If Bellevue loses will the Bellevue kids cry?

If Katy loses will the Katy kids cry?

How bout the coaches?

How bout the posters?:p

[Fleeman93]

How bout the posters?:p

After last year I think Katy fans will understand how to handle a loss.

[The King]

Please and thank you!

After the Woodlands game.. 1 game at a time.

[PrepGridiron]

Very nice article PG (your new nickname :D ). Here is how I would counter those points if were discussing:

Scheduling: - The only thing I can say here is that on paper this Katy team has the POTENTIAL to be discussed as one of the best Katy teams ever. The only thing I could guess is that Coach Goncharoff may see a weakness that he feels he can exploit but I certainly don't see any glaring weaknesses with this Katy team. Something could be said for catching Katy early in the year when their coaching has taken it's full toll on the team (usually week 8 or so) but then again this will be a very experienced Katy team. This won't be a Katy team that Bellevue has caught in a down year like De La Salle the season they lost 3 games(?). If Bellevue does win this game then they will deserve every bit of respect from the rest of the country because they will have done it against a damn good Katy team and program.

Scheduling (Part 2): - Does playing a cup cake help or hurt more than being tested and exposing weakness. We will never know but it is possible that North Shore and or the Woodlands could be every bit as good as Bellevue (might be able to make some kind of a comparison based on scores). The only drawback to me for Katy would be injuries but if that is how you play the game then you don't need to be playing in the first place.

The Wing-T: - It certainly does look good and I am sure it will be a real pleasure to watch. Bellevue will be playing a Katy team who's strength will be stopping the run. It is my understanding that the first thing defensive players learn when they step into the Katy program is how to stop the wing-T. I have very little doubt that Coach Joseph and his defensive staff will have the ins and outs of that offense worked out prior to the game. To me stopping the Wing-T is all about discipline and Coach Joseph enforces that on his defense. Should be a great match up.

Been there, done that: - In most state polls Katy has the top spot to kick off the season and that has never happened before. Not sure which games that Bellevue has played other than obviously state championship games that would be more important. Although the win over De La Salle did end the huge win streak you have to question how impressive it was considering De La Salle went on to lose the next week also. Would be curious to know what would the bigger games would be in your opinion.

Nothing to Lose: - Really no way to argue this one. The deck is stacked against Bellevue and it will be a monster win if they can pull it out. In my opinion the only way Katy will really prove anything to anyone with this game is if they easily handle Bellevue.

Honorable Mention: - Katy returns a very experienced team after winning state and taking 3 losses last year and I think those three losses won't be forgotten by this group. I believe Katy will go into every game with a chip on their shoulder and a feeling that they have something to prove. I don't see how the chemistry won't be here for this group but if it isn't there early then the coaches will work it in with time.

I really wish this game could be played inside somewhere because the humidity will take it's toll on both Bellevue and Katy with a much more apparent effect on Bellevue and there is no two ways to look at that.

I appreciate the feedback. First, this could easily have been a list of 5 reasons why Katy would beat Bellevue, but that wouldn't be much fun because, for the most part, they are favored to win. If there was a list, however, it would probably go something like this: 1. Rhodes Stadium; 2. Texas Heat; 3. Coach Joseph; 4. Experience; and 5. Texas Football.

Now, your counter arguments are all valid but let me remind people of something. Bellevue not only beat De La Salle, but they beat them in every facet. Bellevue didn't pass the whole game; they didn't punt the whole game; and, finally they didn't let DLS score the entire second half. De La Salle gave up more points in that game then they had in something like the previous 20 years. That's called imposing your will on an opponent. Now, granted, that DLS team finished the season 8-3-2, but Bellevue came to play. The point being, even though the title of the post is "5 Reasons Why Bellevue Will Beat Katy," as you can tell from the last paragraph it was written more to let people know that Bellevue should not be taken lightly. Your counter arguments might actually be true, but people on this board (and I am not saying everyone) and elsewhere shouldn't discount what Bellevue brings to the table.

[dada]

After last year I think Katy fans will understand how to handle a loss.

No time to cry.....even with a loss to Bellevue, the road to the state title continues and Stephen Hopkins and Marcus HS will be waiting in Waco.

Steeler and Canes will party, but for me, back to business

[cougmantx]

How bout the posters?:p

Yeah, I will cry over to the nearest sports bar to buy the Bellevue people interested the first round of beers and congratulate them...

[mapv281]

p0wn3d :laugh

[Kat-na-hat]

The Bellevue team is a really good test for the defense as Bell with bring an expanded playbook with lots of disguised plays. It could be a wild one, but I just don't see it. I do see some holding calls going against Bell that will hurt them. Special teams will benefit Katy. Good Post PG.

[dada]

Should we lock this thread until Bellevue plays their first game? lol

Tomorrow morning, I'm getting up to travel to see the North Shore scrimmage, tomorrow night, I will be at Strake for the Katy scrimmage....the season is HERE....Next week, the Road to Reliant(or Alamodome) starts. Right now ALL the focus should be on the Beast from the East.

Step 1. Battle of I-10
Step 2. REDEMPTION
Step 3. State Pride
Step 4. Regional Pride
Step 5. You can't say we ducked you anymore
Step 6. This IS our district.
Step 7. Three peat!


Let's focus on step 1!

[Kat-na-hat]

Should we lock this thread until Bellevue plays their first game? lol

Tomorrow morning, I'm getting up to travel to see the North Shore scrimmage, tomorrow night, I will be at Strake for the Katy scrimmage....the season is HERE....Next week, the Road to Reliant(or Alamodome) starts. Right now ALL the focus should be on the Beast from the East.

Step 1. Battle of I-10
Step 2. REDEMPTION
Step 3. State Pride
Step 4. Regional Pride
Step 5. You can't say we ducked you anymore
Step 6. This IS our district, and our House
Step 7. Three peat!


Let's focus on step 1!

Small edit, but a big thang, Katy U Know....

[62tiger]

I appreciate the feedback. First, this could easily have been a list of 5 reasons why Katy would beat Bellevue, but that wouldn't be much fun because, for the most part, they are favored to win. If there was a list, however, it would probably go something like this: 1. Rhodes Stadium; 2. Texas Heat; 3. Coach Joseph; 4. Experience; and 5. Texas Football.

Now, your counter arguments are all valid but let me remind people of something. Bellevue not only beat De La Salle, but they beat them in every facet. Bellevue didn't pass the whole game; they didn't punt the whole game; and, finally they didn't let DLS score the entire second half. De La Salle gave up more points in that game then they had in something like the previous 20 years. That's called imposing your will on an opponent. Now, granted, that DLS team finished the season 8-3-2, but Bellevue came to play. The point being, even though the title of the post is "5 Reasons Why Bellevue Will Beat Katy," as you can tell from the last paragraph it was written more to let people know that Bellevue should not be taken lightly. Your counter arguments might actually be true, but people on this board (and I am not saying everyone) and elsewhere shouldn't discount what Bellevue brings to the table.

Have a question.........Does anyone else think that the fact that Bellevue has not seen guys cutting them will be a huge factor?

[cougmantx]

have a question.........does anyone else think that the fact that bellevue has not seen guys cutting them will be a huge factor?


shhhhhhh :d

[SLC]

Have a question.........Does anyone else think that the fact that Bellevue has not seen guys cutting them will be a huge factor?




I'm sure their coach is expecting it and preparing for it.

[85Roughneck]

Yeah, I will cry over to the nearest sports bar to buy the Bellevue people interested the first round of beers and congratulate them...

Win or lose, I'll buy the Bellevue faithful a round or two of beers for making the trip to Texas. Not trying to highcap you there, Cougman, I just want our PNW brothers to know they are welcome regardless. I think that was what you're saying as well.

Dang! there I go again after I said I would stay out of this thread. It just keeps pullin' me back in !!!


... Tigers by 20 + :cool:

[85Roughneck]

Have a question.........Does anyone else think that the fact that Bellevue has not seen guys cutting them will be a huge factor?

that along with a ton of SMASHMOUTH ... :cool:

[caveman]

I bet we'll match them, move for move, and start from there. Of course if you bring up the subject of future games to Coach Joseph, his usual response is "All that matters is .....(the next team on the schedule- Northshore).
In that sense Bellevue is not even on the radar- yet.

The Wolverines team fans/family are most than welcome to our community.:notworthy

[Dynastybegan86]

If you really want my opinion, I wrote a blog entry about it...feel free to check it out. I'd love to hear everyone's feedback.

www.prepgridiron.com

Very nice write-up! The Sam Holl comment made me laugh! Why? People think because he is the leading tackler that it means runners get through the first tier...easy assumption, but wrong.

Thanks for sharing and welcome to the board!

[Dynastybegan86]

Win or lose, I'll buy the Bellevue faithful a round or two of beers for making the trip to Texas. Not trying to highcap you there, Cougman, I just want our PNW brothers to know they are welcome regardless. I think that was what you're saying as well.

Dang! there I go again after I said I would stay out of this thread. It just keeps pullin' me back in !!!


... Tigers by 20 + :cool:

You just can't help yourself, can you?:D

[Dynastybegan86]

Look at Servite or Poly's schedule and tell me Cali teams have to travel.;) This we don't have to travel crap is pathetic. No, we'll just stay home, and if OOS teams want to play our teams here great, if not, oh well. We are the best, cause we say it the most, and have tons of fans that come to our games, and don't forget we have big bands to. We all know bands make a difference on how good a team is.:rolleyes:

You must love the SEC then. Play ****** non conference teams at home, and proclaim you're greatness with a championship appearance against Ohio State or Oklahoma. Why travel when you can say you're the best by doing that.:rolleyes:

We're talking High School FB not college, good grief!

Let's just stay on topic, Katy v Bellevue!

For the record. I dislike the SEC very, very much!

[85Roughneck]

You just can't help yourself, can you?:D

I guess not ... :o






... Katy by 20 + :cool:

[85Roughneck]

After what I saw this weekend I got nothing to say in this thread anymore until game day ... Bellevue, you better get ready, the Tigers are looking real good and they're miles ahead of where they were last year in week 0. ;)

[Canes0177]

Can you show me a picture of the 4 trophies? Maybe a picture of any of the trophies?

This is the USA Today.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1073/n33406215333777002837.jpg

This is the MaxPreps.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6282/n33406215333777024384.jpg

Obviously I don't have access to Lakeland and Northwestern. But you can assume they have something similar.

[allendad]

Mid-September in Texas . . . . . .

The entire Bellevue team will M E L T
while "warming" up!:eek::eek::eek:

KATY by at least 14-17 points.

I can't believe a team from the NW would
agree to come down here and play before . . .
October.

Besides . . . .
The Tigers are going to R O L L ! ! ! ! !


.

[Patriot1]

Mid-September in Texas . . . . . .

The entire Bellevue team will M E L T
while "warming" up!:eek::eek::eek:

KATY by at least 14-17 points.

I can't believe a team from the NW would
agree to come down here and play before . . .
October.

Besides . . . .
The Tigers are going to R O L L ! ! ! ! !


.

That's funny. Where can I get some of that peyote?

[dada]

The stable....and the "Big" ones are jr's.
Season starts this weekend.....good luck to all.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/dada4w/rbs.jpg

Shep looking for someone to pancake:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/dada4w/shep1.jpg

[ivaylo]

Are Bellevue's cheerleaders coming too? I might get a chance to show some friends here that the girls in Bellevue are pretty hot. :notworthy

For some reason, I think I might get flamed for saying this. Don't worry, I'm not a pedophile. I'm 16. :eek:

[Dynastybegan86]

This is the USA Today.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1073/n33406215333777002837.jpg

This is the MaxPreps.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6282/n33406215333777024384.jpg

Obviously I don't have access to Lakeland and Northwestern. But you can assume they have something similar.

Nice poster!:rolleyes: Nowhere did it say national champ. Super 25? Anyone on that list gets a framed poster. The MaxPreps statue with a guy holding a muskett?? Can't read what it says, nice paper weight though!

[Dynastybegan86]

Are Bellevue's cheerleaders coming too? I might get a chance to show some friends here that the girls in Bellevue are pretty hot. :notworthy

For some reason, I think I might get flamed for saying this. Don't worry, I'm not a pedophile. I'm 16. :eek:

Don't you drive a cherokee, thought I saw it at the pep ralley?? You scouting for your homies back in the PNW?? :D

[FP Trojan79]

You just can't help yourself, can you?:D


No he can't :D

[FP Trojan79]

After what I saw this weekend I got nothing to say in this thread anymore until game day ... Bellevue, you better get ready, the Tigers are looking real good and they're miles ahead of where they were last year in week 0. ;)

I agree, even though this was just Strake.. they look well on thier way to making huge strides ahead of where they were this time last year.... Sorry i missed ya Trent... would have been nice to chew the fat a bit :D.

[Hitman49]

The stable....and the "Big" ones are jr's.
Season starts this weekend.....good luck to all.
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/dada4w/rbs.jpg

Shep looking for someone to pancake:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/dada4w/shep1.jpg

Please report about the scrimage! How did D. Young look?

[FP Trojan79]

Please report about the scrimage! How did D. Young look?

the kid was awsome... what a beast he is going to be, made some really good moves and will flat out lay the wood to ya if your in his way.... i do believe he is going to work in this program very well and we will all be glad he is on our side.

[dada]

Please report about the scrimage! How did D. Young look?

I missed the scrimmage after it was rescheduled because of the weather, But I heard he and LT(Jeffrey) both did great....think they each scored 3 times.

[Kat-na-hat]

For a scrimmage Katy looked very good compared to last year. DY was running strong. Jeremy Miller will be a special and LT is stronger than last year. By the time Bell arrives Tigers will be ready to eat Wolverine for Dinner. :) I still think it will be good for Katy to face a team like Bell providing that the execution is everything as described, and Bell will find out just what Texas HS Football is all about. North Shore is less than a week a way......

[ivaylo]

Don't you drive a cherokee, thought I saw it at the pep ralley?? You scouting for your homies back in the PNW?? :D

I don't drive a Cherokee. I don't like how those look, and I have no idea what pep rally you're talking about. :D

[PrepGridiron]

Very nice write-up! The Sam Holl comment made me laugh! Why? People think because he is the leading tackler that it means runners get through the first tier...easy assumption, but wrong.

Thanks for sharing and welcome to the board!

I had the opportunity to watch a little bit more of Sam Holl on tape. That boy is a ball hawk and one of the better instinctual football players I have seen at the high school level in a while. You are right, though, most of his tackles are made at the line of scrimmage. For Katy's sake, let's hope that remains to be the case.

[cougmantx]

I had the opportunity to watch a little bit more of Sam Holl on tape. That boy is a ball hawk and one of the better instinctual football players I have seen at the high school level in a while. You are right, though, most of his tackles are made at the line of scrimmage. For Katy's sake, let's hope that remains to be the case.

There have been a couple people make the same assumption about Sam! He is a pleasure to watch. I think the Bellevue game will show case his talent on a national level.

[Fleeman93]

Game prediction: Bellevue won't have the best rushing attack in the game.

[Hitman49]

Game prediction: Bellevue won't have the best rushing attack in the game.



This is true. Katy will not only have the best defense on the field they will have the best offense!!!

[FP Trojan79]

This is true. Katy will not only have the best defense on the field they will have the best offense!!!


Shhhhhh... :D

[dada]

Well, alot of questions will be answered, Saturday.......then next Friday......THEN we can worry about Bellevue.:)

[cougmantx]

It's great to be planning my weeks around Katy Tiger football again...a full 16 weeks of high octane, smash mouth Texas football with the Katy Tigers going for a three-peat! :notworthy:D

[BlakeJ]

Everyone to the NS/Katy thread...comeback to this one in 3 weeks. :)

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Are those other OL that short or does Shep just make them look that way? :p Looks like you guys have lost some significant height at the other OL spots.

[dada]

Are those other OL that short or does Shep just make them look that way? :p Looks like you guys have lost some significant height at the other OL spots.

Last year's line, well the past two years were freakishly tall, this season besides Shep(6'6) and TE Swanson(6'7)...the line is more "Katy like" short hawgs that like to get down and dirty.:D

[HUM398]

Last year's line, well the past two years were freakishly tall, this season besides Shep(6'6) and TE Swanson(6'7)...the line is more "Katy like" short hawgs that like to get down and dirty.:D

Not the Katy i remember.

Katy has always had some huge linemen...heavy and tall. don't quite remember them being all 6'6...But they were all 6'2-6'3 range (at least it seemed like it)

The thing that stuck out to me last year was that the line was actually visibly much lighter then your other Katy lines.

[Fleeman93]

Are those other OL that short or does Shep just make them look that way? :p Looks like you guys have lost some significant height at the other OL spots.

From the offical roster:

57 Carlo Villarreal OL 5'10 255 SR
62 Patrick Wert OL 5'6 195 SR
63 Daniel DelaGarza OL 5'5 210 SR
64 David Fritsche OL 5'9 225 SR
65 Travis Krauss OL 5'11 240 SR
66 Conner Cox OL 6'1 265 JR
67 Brandon Price OL 5'10 275 JR
68 Alfredo Gonzalez OL 6'1 300 SR
70 James Marks OL 6'4 245 SR
76 Ed Novak OL 6'3 280 SR
77 Sean Swoboda OL 6'0 260 SR
78 Shep Klinke OL 6'6 285 SR

[dada]

Not the Katy i remember.

Katy has always had some huge linemen...heavy and tall. don't quite remember them being all 6'6...But they were all 6'2-6'3 range (at least it seemed like it)

The thing that stuck out to me last year was that the line was actually visibly much lighter then your other Katy lines.

Last Year, Shep,Travis, Summrall, I believe were all 6'5 or taller, you may have some in the 5'10-6'2 range...I think after Shep, Marks is 6'4....don't quote me though, I could be wrong.

[dada]

From the offical roster:

57 Carlo Villarreal OL 5'10 255 SR
62 Patrick Wert OL 5'6 195 SR
63 Daniel DelaGarza OL 5'5 210 SR
64 David Fritsche OL 5'9 225 SR
65 Travis Krauss OL 5'11 240 SR
66 Conner Cox OL 6'1 265 JR
67 Brandon Price OL 5'10 275 JR
68 Alfredo Gonzalez OL 6'1 300 SR
70 James Marks OL 6'4 245 SR
76 Ed Novak OL 6'3 280 SR
77 Sean Swoboda OL 6'0 260 SR
78 Shep Klinke OL 6'6 285 SR

I'm thinking starters are
Klinke
Cox
Gonzalez
Marks
Not sure who else.

[BlakeJ]

From the offical roster:

57 Carlo Villarreal OL 5'10 255 SR
62 Patrick Wert OL 5'6 195 SR
63 Daniel DelaGarza OL 5'5 210 SR
64 David Fritsche OL 5'9 225 SR
65 Travis Krauss OL 5'11 240 SR
66 Conner Cox OL 6'1 265 JR
67 Brandon Price OL 5'10 275 JR
68 Alfredo Gonzalez OL 6'1 300 SR
70 James Marks OL 6'4 245 SR
76 Ed Novak OL 6'3 280 SR
77 Sean Swoboda OL 6'0 260 SR
78 Shep Klinke OL 6'6 285 SR

I dont like that they all end with SR. :eek:

[Fleeman93]

I dont like that they all end with SR. :eek:

The only thing I can say to that is when was the last time Katy had a bad O-Line bye week 8 of any season? Have to tip the hat to the O-Line coaches because they do a hell of a job each and every year.