Best Coaches In The State

[svhorns]

1a. Coach Joseph (Katy)
1b. Coach L. Hill (SV)
2. Coach Chesser (Stony Point)
3. Coach Lineweaver (Trinity)

[Wypirates03]

I will throw Bill Howard, Wylie in there as well.

He became head coach 3 years ago when Wylie was slammed head first into 5A. A 3-7 record wasn't a good one, but he learned from it. He made it to the playoffs his 2nd year, but lost in the 1st game. The next year, he made it to the state championship. If anything, that show's progression.

BUT!!! I'm not going to throw them in with those 2 guys up top; Joseph and Lineweaver... They are untouchable right now.

[Mr. Rod]

Wade Effin' Phillips !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[svhorns]

I will throw Bill Howard, Wylie in there as well.

He became head coach 3 years ago when Wylie was slammed head first into 5A. A 3-7 record wasn't a good one, but he learned from it. He made it to the playoffs his 2nd year, but lost in the 1st game. The next year, he made it to the state championship. If anything, that show's progression.

BUT!!! I'm not going to throw them in with those 4 guys up top... They are untouchable right now.

I was thinking about adding the Wylie coach but I didn't really know his history... ya'll came out of nowhere... and everyone knows who wylie is now...

[PirateParent2011]

Tom Westerberg @ Allen
Joey McGuire @ Cedar Hill
Brian Brazil @ Hebron

[farmerfan]

1a. Coach Joseph (Katy)
1b. Coach L. Hill (SV)
2. Coach Chesser (Stony Point)
3. Coach Lineweaver (Trinity)

Coach Hill not even in the top 5 right now. Especially not above somebody like Coach Lineweaver. Same goes for Coach Chesser. Guys like Brain Brazil and Bryan Erwin are better than Coach Hill also to go along with John Outlaw.

1- Steve Lineweaver - has guided 3 different programs to a state title now, 2 of them as a HC

2 - Gary Joseph- once again, titles speak volume and he does have them despite playing in Houston.

3 - Brian Brazil - took over at Hebron after helping Lewisville win 2 state titles as a DC. Has turned Hebron into one of the best programs in the state and has also led them to a state title, not bad for a program who will be playing their 10th season this year.

4 - Brayn Erwin - has the titles and the resume of turning around programs like Italy and FM Marcus as well.

5 - John Outlaw - once again has the skins on the wall and the resume of what he did at programs like Sherman and out of state along with Lufkin.

[ftballin11]

1. Joseph at Katy- Key factor over the past 20 years in building the Katy program into the monster it is today.

2. Hill at SV- I know he doesnt have the titles, but what he does with the talent that he has is simply amazing.

3. Lineweaver at Trinity- Would have put him at two because of his titles, but I dont think he could do what Hill has done with an equal amount talent.

[farmerfan]

1. Joseph at Katy- Key factor over the past 20 years in building the Katy program into the monster it is today.

2. Hill at SV- I know he doesnt have the titles, but what he does with the talent that he has is simply amazing.

3. Lineweaver at Trinity- Would have put him at two because of his titles, but I dont think he could do what Hill has done with an equal amount talent.

He's done it without the
'talent" at two places now. Carroll and Commerc since you guys are so convinced Trinity has all this all world talent. Winning titles at both. Shows what you know.

[ftballin11]

He's done it without the
'talent" at two places now. Carroll and Commerc since you guys are so convinced Trinity has all this all world talent. Winning titles at both. Shows what you know.

Not saying Trinity is the most talented team in the world, Just saying SV has none.

[SLC]

All classes...

1. G.A. Moore - Aubrey
2. Sam Harrell - Ennis
3. Steve Lineweaver - Trinity
4. Butch Ford - Celina
5. Gary Joseph - Katy


Just 5A...

1. Steve Lineweaver - Trinity
2. Gary Joseph - Katy
3. David Aymond - North Shore
4. John Outlaw - Lufkin
5. Larry Hill - Smithson Valley


*Note*- Everyone on those lists above have at least 1 state title, except Larry Hill.


Others who are close...

Brian Brazil - Hebron
Brian Erwin - FM Marcus
Barry Norton - Texarkana
Chad Morris - Lake Travis
John King - Longview
Randy Allen - Highland Park
Joey Florence - Denton Ryan
Joey McGuire - Cedar Hill
Jack Welch - Copperas Cove
Jim Rackey - Converse Judson
Eddie Peach - Arlington Lamar
Dale Keeling - Everman

[farmerfan]

Not saying Trinity is the most talented team in the world, Just saying SV has none.

Dumb Dumb Dumb. A huge misconception to those is hearing that Katy and SV have no talent when that simply is not the case. SV compared to other teams in their region and district obviously has something going and its more than this so called we work harder than you, another crap line, they have talent and benefit from playing in a very weak region which taints the numbers towards Coach Hill making it look like he's doing somethign great, yes it takes good coaching to maintain a level on consistency but if he was as good as the Ranger and Katy people make him out to be then he would already have some skins on the wall. I certinaly wouldn't rank him ahead of somebody like an Eddie Peach a guy with zero titles also.

[farmerfan]

All classes...

1. G.A. Moore - Aubrey
2. Sam Harrell - Ennis
3. Steve Lineweaver - Trinity
4. Butch Ford - Celina
5. Gary Joseph - Katy


Just 5A...

1. Steve Lineweaver - Trinity
2. Gary Joseph - Katy
3. David Aymond - North Shore
4. John Outlaw - Lufkin
5. Larry Hill - Smithson Valley


*Note*- Everyone on those lists above have at least 1 state title, except Larry Hill.


Others who are close...

Brian Brazil - Hebron
Brian Erwin - FM Marcus
Barry Norton - Texarkana
Chad Morris - Lake Travis
John King - Longview
Randy Allen - Highland Park
Joey Florence - Denton Ryan
Joey McGuire - Cedar Hill
Jack Welch - Copperas Cove
Jim Rackey - Converse Judson
Eddie Peach - Arlington Lamar
Dale Keeling - Everman


A good list and hard to argue with any of the names you have listed, obviously I would switch Brazil and Erwin ahead of Hill right now simply due to their resume. Coach Brazil has coahed on state championship staffs like Joseph and then built a brand new program in Hebron into what they have become today, a state contender who can actually claim a title ;)
Erwin has done the same at stops such as Italy, La Marque and now at Marcus with what he is building. One could also made the same argument for Joey M at Cedar Hill too.
I also think Eddie Peach is a notch above Hill right now, there resumes are roughly the same in that they lack a title but Peach has been doing it longer and maintained a consistency at Lamar during the 70's-90's that Hill has not matched yet at SV.

[E-Vol-ution]

I've got to put Kenny Perry in the honorable mention. The skin's on the way and no one wants to hear it's because Arlington Bowie has all this talent. KP is the real deal.
All classes...

1. G.A. Moore - Aubrey
2. Sam Harrell - Ennis
3. Steve Lineweaver - Trinity
4. Butch Ford - Celina
5. Gary Joseph - Katy


Just 5A...

1. Steve Lineweaver - Trinity
2. Gary Joseph - Katy
3. David Aymond - North Shore
4. John Outlaw - Lufkin
5. Larry Hill - Smithson Valley


*Note*- Everyone on those lists above have at least 1 state title, except Larry Hill.


Others who are close...

Brian Brazil - Hebron
Brian Erwin - FM Marcus
Barry Norton - Texarkana
Chad Morris - Lake Travis
John King - Longview
Randy Allen - Highland Park
Joey Florence - Denton Ryan
Joey McGuire - Cedar Hill
Jack Welch - Copperas Cove
Jim Rackey - Converse Judson
Eddie Peach - Arlington Lamar
Dale Keeling - Everman

[farmerfan]

All classes...

1. G.A. Moore - Aubrey
2. Sam Harrell - Ennis
3. Steve Lineweaver - Trinity
4. Butch Ford - Celina
5. Gary Joseph - Katy


Just 5A...

1. Steve Lineweaver - Trinity
2. Gary Joseph - Katy
3. David Aymond - North Shore
4. John Outlaw - Lufkin
5. Larry Hill - Smithson Valley


*Note*- Everyone on those lists above have at least 1 state title, except Larry Hill.


Others who are close...

Brian Brazil - Hebron
Brian Erwin - FM Marcus
Barry Norton - Texarkana
Chad Morris - Lake Travis
John King - Longview
Randy Allen - Highland Park
Joey Florence - Denton Ryan
Joey McGuire - Cedar Hill
Jack Welch - Copperas Cove
Jim Rackey - Converse Judson
Eddie Peach - Arlington Lamar
Dale Keeling - Everman

I also second the Sam Harrell and Butch Ford being in the top 5 in the entire state. Jack Welch at CC is another good addition to the close list you have and I have always loved Dale Keeling and his Bulldog teams. With what he has to overcome down at Everman and the way he can keep thiose kids focused week in and week out is what is truly impessive to me.

[farmerfan]

I've got to put Kenny Perry in the honorable mention. The skin's on the way and no one wants to hear it's because Arlington Bowie has all this talent. KP is the real deal.

Gary Joseph and Larry Hill both would have already won multple state championships had they been coaching at Bowie. So in that regards you better not even put Perry in the same breath as those two.

[SLC]

A good list and hard to argue with any of the names you have listed, obviously I would switch Brazil and Erwin ahead of Hill right now simply due to their resume. Coach Brazil has coahed on state championship staffs like Joseph and then built a brand new program in Hebron into what they have become today, a state contender who can actually claim a title ;)
Erwin has done the same at stops such as Italy, La Marque and now at Marcus with what he is building. One could also made the same argument for Joey M at Cedar Hill too.
I also think Eddie Peach is a notch above Hill right now, there resumes are roughly the same in that they lack a title but Peach has been doing it longer and maintained a consistency at Lamar during the 70's-90's that Hill has not matched yet at SV.


Believe me, I struggled with putting Hill above Erwin and Brazil, thats why they are the first 2 on my others list..I honestly think Brazil should be my #5, but I didn't want to get Svhorns all butt hurt over it:D

[Firebird]

A good list and hard to argue with any of the names you have listed, obviously I would switch Brazil and Erwin ahead of Hill right now simply due to their resume. Coach Brazil has coahed on state championship staffs like Joseph and then built a brand new program in Hebron into what they have become today, a state contender who can actually claim a title ;)
Erwin has done the same at stops such as Italy, La Marque and now at Marcus with what he is building. One could also made the same argument for Joey M at Cedar Hill too.
I also think Eddie Peach is a notch above Hill right now, there resumes are roughly the same in that they lack a title but Peach has been doing it longer and maintained a consistency at Lamar during the 70's-90's that Hill has not matched yet at SV.

Count me as a big Eddie Peach fan who wishes (probably won't happen) that he could go out with at least one skin on the wall. If he does that he is one of the all time legends of Texas football. Some of those 1990s Lamar teams were absolutely sick and should have walked away with all of the marbles.

[SLC]

I've got to put Kenny Perry in the honorable mention. The skin's on the way and no one wants to hear it's because Arlington Bowie has all this talent. KP is the real deal.


He was very close to my others list...very close...I just figure he needs to do it a few more seasons.

[E-Vol-ution]

Last year was KP's third year. It's easier with a new program than defeating a program used to losing. That is no longer the case. He should be in the honorable mention.
You don't know what Hill would do up here; Joseph ......yeah he'd do something. Gary Joseph and Larry Hill both would have already won multple state championships had they been coaching at Bowie. So in that regards you better not even put Perry in the same breath as those two.

[farmerfan]

Believe me, I struggled with putting Hill above Erwin and Brazil, thats why they are the first 2 on my others list..I honestly think Brazil should be my #5, but I didn't want to get Svhorns all butt hurt over it:D

Gotcha :D
I'll say it, Coach Brian Brazil is better than Coach Larry Hill.

[SLC]

Last year was KP's third year. It's easier with a new program than defeating a program used to losing. That is no longer the case. He should be in the honorable mention.
You don't know what Hill would do up here; Joseph ......yeah he'd do something.



Note*---Farmerfan was having some fun with that post.;)

[Firebird]

Gotcha :D
I'll say it, Coach Brian Brazil is better than Coach Larry Hill.

If we are going to start ranking coaches without skins as among the best in the state, then Steve Warren at Abilene High deserves some mention....

[SLC]

Gotcha :D
I'll say it, Coach Brian Brazil is better than Coach Larry Hill.


This.

[E-Vol-ution]

OK>.........you got me on edge a teensie weensie bit.....:notworthyNote*---Farmerfan was having some fun with that post.;)

[farmerfan]

Count me as a big Eddie Peach fan who wishes (probably won't happen) that he could go out with at least one skin on the wall. If he does that he is one of the all time legends of Texas football. Some of those 1990s Lamar teams were absolutely sick and should have walked away with all of the marbles.

I'm right there with ya bird. I have always loved watching Eddie Peach coached teams, he had some very very good teams in the 70's, 80's and throughout the 90's. He ran into the buzz saw of Odessa Permian 4x back when nobody wanted apart of them. 2 of those 4 years saw Permian go on to win a state title.
I also could not agree with you more on needing that one title to become a legend in the ranks. He is the only coach Lamar has ever known and for many years Lamar was viewed as one of the top programs in the entire metroplex.

[twcpfan1]

Gary Joseph

[farmerfan]

note*---farmerfan was having some fun with that post.;)

:d

[E-Vol-ution]

I really admire that guy....but hate it when he and his son both walk out on the field to argue when anybody else is penalized or tossed.....lolI'm right there with ya bird. I have always loved watching Eddie Peach coached teams, he had some very very good teams in the 70's, 80's and throughout the 90's. He ran into the buzz saw of Odessa Permian 4x back when nobody wanted apart of them. 2 of those 4 years saw Permian go on to win a state title.
I also could not agree with you more on needing that one title to become a legend in the ranks. He is the only coach Lamar has ever known and for many years Lamar was viewed as one of the top programs in the entire metroplex.

[farmerfan]

If we are going to start ranking coaches without skins as among the best in the state, then Steve Warren at Abilene High deserves some mention....

Without a doubt. Takes Abilene to their first post-season apperance in over 40 years or something in 99 while they advance all the way to the quarterfinals and they haven't looked back since. A very very good coach who has brought back the passion for Abilene High football out there.

[SLC]

I'm right there with ya bird. I have always loved watching Eddie Peach coached teams, he had some very very good teams in the 70's, 80's and throughout the 90's. He ran into the buzz saw of Odessa Permian 4x back when nobody wanted apart of them. 2 of those 4 years saw Permian go on to win a state title.
I also could not agree with you more on needing that one title to become a legend in the ranks. He is the only coach Lamar has ever known and for many years Lamar was viewed as one of the top programs in the entire metroplex.



Yep...Daddy Peach is among the very best in the state....Little Peach...well that another story for another day.

[farmerfan]

I really admire that guy....but hate it when he and his son both walk out on the field to argue when anybody else is penalized or tossed.....lol

I know what you are talking about, especially in regards to Scott Peach. I'll be nice and leave my thoughts on Scott to myself.

[E-Vol-ution]

See Farmerfan........I was just sticking up for you the other day.
A guy says..."that Farmer guy ain't "sheeet"....I jumped in and said "he is too, you can't talk about him like that"........;):d

[farmerfan]

See Farmerfan........I was just sticking up for you the other day.
A guy says..."that Farmer guy ain't "sheeet"....I jumped in and said "he is too, you can't talk about him like that"........;)

Thanks I think ;)
Yes Coach Kenny Perry is very good and will do big things for the Bowie Vols. I was just having fun since all we have heard is that Coach Joseph and Coach Hill have nothing but a bunch of boys who haven't hit puberty yet to work with but still makes them into what they are, give those guys the talent the coaches up here have to work with then they would win not one title a year but they are so good they would win 2 titles a year :eek:

[85Roughneck]

A good list and hard to argue with any of the names you have listed, obviously I would switch Brazil and Erwin ahead of Hill right now simply due to their resume. Coach Brazil has coahed on state championship staffs like Joseph and then built a brand new program in Hebron into what they have become today, a state contender who can actually claim a title ;)
Erwin has done the same at stops such as Italy, La Marque and now at Marcus with what he is building. One could also made the same argument for Joey M at Cedar Hill too.
I also think Eddie Peach is a notch above Hill right now, there resumes are roughly the same in that they lack a title but Peach has been doing it longer and maintained a consistency at Lamar during the 70's-90's that Hill has not matched yet at SV.

SLC ... no offense to you with my following comments, but I just had to get this off my chest ...

farmerfan, the only thing bigger than your typed word (aka mouth) is your arrogance, the only person you ever agree with is SLC or others from the DF Dub) for the most part.

Yes, SLC is correct a lot, much respect to you SLC) but I just wonder (in this thread topic only) how many of these coaches have you actually played for? not a single darn one I bet. how in the heck would you know if any of these coaches are better than the other. You cannot say with much crediblility that one coach is better than the other based simply on his trophy case. There are too many variables involved and even moreso when it comes to the human factor of dealing with teenage boys in high school. There are reasons unknown to all of us as to why Hill or Lineweaver coach where they coach. Maybe Hill likes San Antone and Lineweaver likes being close to Oklahoma, who the hell knows for sure.

ALL THE COACHES MENTIONED HERE ARE GREAT WHICH IS WHY WE ARE BLOGGING ABOUT THEM !!! Can you here me know over your own self!?!?
man, I just get tired of reading your rants way too quick lately ...

my bad, fellas, again, I just had to get that out there ... even my two year old has to be put in his place from time to time.

farmerfan, I still like ya' ... you're just way to biased sometimes, bro.

[E-Vol-ution]

I'm just funnin........You're one of the better anti-antagonists in these parts.
Thanks I think ;)
Yes Coach Kenny Perry is very good and will do big things for the Bowie Vols. I was just having fun since all we have heard is that Coach Joseph and Coach Hill have nothing but a bunch of boys who haven't hit puberty yet to work with but still makes them into what they are, give those guys the talent the coaches up here have to work with then they would win not one title a year but they are so good they would win 2 titles a year :eek:

[Firebird]

Thanks I think ;)
Yes Coach Kenny Perry is very good and will do big things for the Bowie Vols. I was just having fun since all we have heard is that Coach Joseph and Coach Hill have nothing but a bunch of boys who haven't hit puberty yet to work with but still makes them into what they are, give those guys the talent the coaches up here have to work with then they would win not one title a year but they are so good they would win 2 titles a year :eek:

Can he send a few more of those guys A&M's way to join their former teammates that are starting in IA ball as true freshmen? ;) UCLA might sign up for a couple more Aundre Deans as well......

[SLC]

I know what you are talking about, especially in regards to Scott Peach. I'll be nice and leave my thoughts on Scott to myself.


As will I.:cool:

[E-Vol-ution]

Okay Roughneck....how do you really feel?
:rolleyes: Aren't you a "Flee" fan?
SLC ... no offense to you with my following comments, but I just had to get this off my chest ...

farmerfan, the only thing bigger than your typed word (aka mouth) is your arrogance, the only person you ever agree with is SLC or others from the DF Dub) for the most part.

Yes, SLC is correct a lot, much respect to you SLC) but I just wonder (in this thread topic only) how many of these coaches have you actually played for? not a single darn one I bet. how in the heck would you know if any of these coaches are better than the other. You cannot say with much crediblility that one coach is better than the other based simply on his trophy case. There are too many variables involved and even moreso when it comes to the human factor of dealing with teenage boys in high school. There are reasons unknown to all of us as to why Hill or Lineweaver coach where they coach. Maybe Hill likes San Antone and Lineweaver likes being close to Oklahoma, who the hell knows for sure.

ALL THE COACHES MENTIONED HERE ARE GREAT WHICH IS WHY WE ARE BLOGGING ABOUT THEM !!! Can you here me know over your own self!?!?
man, I just get tired of reading your rants way too quick lately ...

my bad, fellas, again, I just had to get that out there ... even my two year old has to be put in his place from time to time.

farmerfan, I still like ya' ... you're just way to biased sometimes, bro.

[Firebird]

SLC ... no offense to you with my following comments, but I just had to get this off my chest ...

farmerfan, the only thing bigger than your typed word (aka mouth) is your arrogance, the only person you ever agree with is SLC or others from the DF Dub) for the most part.

Yes, SLC is correct a lot, much respect to you SLC) but I just wonder (in this thread topic only) how many of these coaches have you actually played for? not a single darn one I bet. how in the heck would you know if any of these coaches are better than the other. You cannot say with much crediblility that one coach is better than the other based simply on his trophy case. There are too many variables involved and even moreso when it comes to the human factor of dealing with teenage boys in high school. There are reasons unknown to all of us as to why Hill or Lineweaver coach where they coach. Maybe Hill likes San Antone and Lineweaver likes being close to Oklahoma, who the hell knows for sure.

ALL THE COACHES MENTIONED HERE ARE GREAT WHICH IS WHY WE ARE BLOGGING ABOUT THEM !!! Can you here me know over your own self!?!?
man, I just get tired of reading your rants way too quick lately ...

my bad, fellas, again, I just had to get that out there ... even my two year old has to be put in his place from time to time.

farmerfan, I still like ya' ... you're just way to biased sometimes, bro.

I disagree. The ultimate goal of every team at the beginning of the year is a state title, no? Therefore it makes a lot of sense to me to make a skin on the wall a prerequisite for "best coach" status. Especially when you start looking at coaches that have done it at multiple stops, multiple classifications, different areas of the state. You can't just walk into multiple state titles that way....

[farmerfan]

SLC ... no offense to you with my following comments, but I just had to get this off my chest ...

farmerfan, the only thing bigger than your typed word (aka mouth) is your arrogance, the only person you ever agree with is SLC or others from the DF Dub) for the most part.

Yes, SLC is correct a lot, much respect to you SLC) but I just wonder (in this thread topic only) how many of these coaches have you actually played for? not a single darn one I bet. how in the heck would you know if any of these coaches are better than the other. You cannot say with much crediblility that one coach is better than the other based simply on his trophy case. There are too many variables involved and even moreso when it comes to the human factor of dealing with teenage boys in high school. There are reasons unknown to all of us as to why Hill or Lineweaver coach where they coach. Maybe Hill likes San Antone and Lineweaver likes being close to Oklahoma, who the hell knows for sure.

ALL THE COACHES MENTIONED HERE ARE GREAT WHICH IS WHY WE ARE BLOGGING ABOUT THEM !!! Can you here me know over your own self!?!?
man, I just get tired of reading your rants way too quick lately ...

my bad, fellas, again, I just had to get that out there ... even my two year old has to be put in his place from time to time.

farmerfan, I still like ya' ... you're just way to biased sometimes, bro.


Um no, SLC and I have gone back and forth quite a bit, I dont follow him around though like you seem to have done. That being said, what is there to measure the coaches being discussed on?
Also, you point me out as for not having played for the coaches we list, but what about the actual starter of the thread? How many of the guys that he listed did he play for? Zero. Dont see you calling him out. Why? Probably because he list your guy as number 1.
As for my arrogance, I am sorry your football down in Houston sucks. That is not my fault and if you dont like it being pointed out then maybe you all should start winning more titles down there. All I have to work on is the number of schools and coaches up here who have built and maintained programs while having to play a much tougher road to get there than the ones in Region 3 and 4 do. Its not being biased but being real, you think its biased because I happen to be pointing out that the football in the part of the state you follow simply can not compare to that up here.

[85Roughneck]

Okay Roughneck....how do you really feel?
:rolleyes: Aren't you a "Flee" fan?

I'm a fan of farmerfan too ... just don't take kindly to his omnipotent arrogance sometimes.

I'm cool with farmerfan, but he may not be cool with me and that's cool too.

[farmerfan]

I'm a fan of farmerfan too ... just don't take kindly to his omnipotent arrogance sometimes.

I'm cool with farmerfan, but he may not be cool with me and that's cool too.

Once again, what is so arrogant about what I point out?
Does the Dallas area not dominate the Houston area when it comes to HS football?
All I have asked is for some of you all to show me where I am wrong and I will shut up.
You shjould also know that the threads I state this stuff in is never started by me, somebody from Houston or SA makes a comment and then I come in with my so called "Dallas arrogance" to shush them.

[farmerfan]

I disagree. The ultimate goal of every team at the beginning of the year is a state title, no? Therefore it makes a lot of sense to me to make a skin on the wall a prerequisite for "best coach" status. Especially when you start looking at coaches that have done it at multiple stops, multiple classifications, different areas of the state. You can't just walk into multiple state titles that way....

Well said.
Opps, you're not from DFW are you bird? :eek:

[E-Vol-ution]

Is it the "DFW dominance" thingy? I just don't see many guys down there disagreeing with the "Katy is all things Beautiful" mentality.....why never call them arrogant? Now the moderators are cool with their Katy swagger....but those words "omnipotent arrogance" defy some guys you should find pretty easily if you can find Farmerfan.
Enough from me......I ran out of smokes and have one beer left in the fridge. I'm kinda sensitive right now..........
I'm a fan of farmerfan too ... just don't take kindly to his omnipotent arrogance sometimes.

I'm cool with farmerfan, but he may not be cool with me and that's cool too.

[ftballin11]

Once again, what is so arrogant about what I point out?
Does the Dallas area not dominate the Houston area when it comes to HS football?
All I have asked is for some of you all to show me where I am wrong and I will shut up.
You shjould also know that the threads I state this stuff in is never started by me, somebody from Houston or SA makes a comment and then I come in with my so called "Dallas arrogance" to shush them.

I think it makes you mad that the best program in the state is in Houston and not the DFW.

[farmerfan]

I think it makes you mad that the best program in the state is in Houston and not the DFW.

When did Celina move down towards Houston?
Carroll?
Don't think Katy has done enough even with the back to back to say they are ahead of Carroll. So I fail to see where you are coming from with this so called best program in the state being in Houston and not DFW. :confused:

[85Roughneck]

Um no, SLC and I have gone back and forth quite a bit, I dont follow him around though like you seem to have done. That being said, what is there to measure the coaches being discussed on?
Also, you point me out as for not having played for the coaches we list, but what about the actual starter of the thread? How many of the guys that he listed did he play for? Zero. Dont see you calling him out. Why? Probably because he list your guy as number 1.
As for my arrogance, I am sorry your football down in Houston sucks. That is not my fault and if you dont like it being pointed out then maybe you all should start winning more titles down there. All I have to work on is the number of schools and coaches up here who have built and maintained programs while having to play a much tougher road to get there than the ones in Region 3 and 4 do. Its not being biased but being real, you think its biased because I happen to be pointing out that the football in the part of the state you follow simply can not compare to that up here.

SV asked a question while giving his opinion which you too are entitled to do. I look forward to reading your opinions bro, but the first time anyone on here in a thread says that anything related to high school football is better in Htown than it is in DFW you call it "dumb" or say it ain't so.

Most of us on here simply agree to disagree.

I see where you post how good you think Joseph and Hill are and I agree. I also agree that Dodge's record supercedes them both. I even go so far to agree that if Joseph and Hill coached in the DFW then they would likely have similar results.

I should have posted my opinion first before getting pissed about yours. my bad, hopefully you're man enough to accept my apology. :o

I played here in the GHA in the 80's and my son played here for Katy in the GHA '06-'08. There's nothing you can say to take my pride away and nothing you can say that will convince me to agree that all things related to high school football are better in the DFW than they are in the GHA. This can be supported by the simple fact that there are some trophy cases in the GHA that contain hardware.

[C-DUB]

Is it the "DFW dominance" thingy? I just don't see many guys down there disagreeing with the "Katy is all things Beautiful" mentality.....why never call them arrogant? Now the moderators are cool with their Katy swagger....but those words "omnipotent arrogance" defy some guys you should find pretty easily if you can find Farmerfan.
Enough from me......I ran out of smokes and have one beer left in the fridge. I'm kinda sensitive right now..........

:notworthy

[85Roughneck]

does the Dallas area not dominate the Houston area when it comes to HS football
All I have asked is for some of you all to show me where I am wrong and I will shut up.
You shjould also know that the threads I state this stuff in is never started by me, somebody from Houston or SA makes a comment and then I come in with my so called "Dallas arrogance" to shush them.

see bro, I agree with this. DFW has won more historically.

That goes without saying.

btw... You ain't smart to shush me or anybody else with a keyboard. ;):D

[ftballin11]

When did Celina move down towards Houston?
Carroll?
Don't think Katy has done enough even with the back to back to say they are ahead of Carroll. So I fail to see where you are coming from with this so called best program in the state being in Houston and not DFW. :confused:


Carol? They had a great run, but i dont see them getting back to the status they one were. I see them slowly declining.

Basically Katy been in the elite status since 97' and is still in it and dont see them slowing down till Joseph is gone. ( He aint leavin any time soon)

Oh and Celina, you got me there. But hopefully we can catch them. We caught up a title this year.

[farmerfan]

SV asked a question while giving his opinion which you too are entitled to do. I look forward to reading your opinions bro, but the first time anyone on here in a thread says that anything related to high school football is better in Htown than it is in DFW you call it "dumb" or say it ain't so.

Most of us on here simply agree to disagree.

I see where you post how good you think Joseph and Hill are and I agree. I also agree that Dodge's record supercedes them both. I even go so far to agree that if Joseph and Hill coached in the DFW then they would likely have similar results.

I should have posted my opinion first before getting pissed about yours. my bad, hopefully you're man enough to accept my apology. :o

I played here in the GHA in the 80's and my son played here for Katy in the GHA '06-'08. There's nothing you can say to take my pride away and nothing you can say that will convince me to agree that all things related to high school football are better in the DFW than they are in the GHA. This can be supported by the simple fact that there are some trophy cases in the GHA that contain hardware.

SV asked a question listing coaches to which you had no problem with because he listed a guy that is obviously close to you and your family since you have family ties to that school. As for you posting your opinion its no biggie that you didnt post yours and you really dont need to apologize to me as you never offended me with anything, I dont have any hard feeling towards you or anybody else based on what they post.

As for taking your pride away fro the GHA that is cool, its good to have people with loyalty, but as for not being able to convince you of the quality of football up here as opposed to the GHA, its not comparable right now and hasn't been that way in a long time. The Dallas area doninated by having something like 3x as many programs as the HGA does over the last 28 years who have added to their trophy case. So yes there are some trophy cases in GHA but not nearly as many as there are in the DFW. Heck since 90 alone only 2 programs from GHA have ben able to add to their trophy case. Thats all I point out and I am sorry it hits so close to home its just the way it is right now.

[farmerfan]

Carol? They had a great run, but i dont see them getting back to the status they one were. I see them slowly declining.

Basically Katy been in the elite status since 97' and is still in it and dont see them slowing down till Joseph is gone. ( He aint leavin any time soon)

Oh and Celina, you got me there. But hopefully we can catch them. We caught up a title this year.

All speculation that Carroll is done winning titles. Their history says dont count on it just yet. Plus they still have won more titles than Katy has.
So Katy still hasn't done anything to show that they are indeed the best program in 5A right now.

[ftballin11]

SV asked a question listing coaches to which you had no problem with because he listed a guy that is obviously close to you and your family since you have family ties to that school. As for you posting your opinion its no biggie that you didnt post yours and you really dont need to apologize to me as you never offended me with anything, I dont have any hard feeling towards you or anybody else based on what they post.

As for taking your pride away fro the GHA that is cool, its good to have people with loyalty, but as for not being able to convince you of the quality of football up here as opposed to the GHA, its not comparable right now and hasn't been that way in a long time. The Dallas area doninated by having something like 3x as many programs as the HGA does over the last 28 years who have added to their trophy case. So yes there are some trophy cases in GHA but not nearly as many as there are in the DFW. Heck since 90 alone only 2 programs from GHA have ben able to add to their trophy case. Thats all I point out and I am sorry it hits so close to home its just the way it is right now.

I dont dispute that DFW is better top to bottom, the numbers cant allow me. But it's like you think that Katy wouldnt be Katy if they were in the DFW.

Im just looking forward to the next few years. Some houston programs have started to show signs of catching up. Hopefully we can start to put up more of a fight.

[farmerfan]

I dont dispute that DFW is better top to bottom, the numbers cant allow me. But it's like you think that Katy wouldnt be Katy if they were in the DFW.
Im just looking forward to the next few years. Some houston programs have started to show signs of catching up. Hopefully we can start to put up more of a fight.

Yes I do. You all dismiss that and that is fine, but you all act as if you think they still would be if they were up here too.

[ftballin11]

All speculation that Carroll is done winning titles. Their history says dont count on it just yet. Plus they still have won more titles than Katy has.
So Katy still hasn't done anything to show that they are indeed the best program in 5A right now.

I think of it in eras.

The slc in the 80's and 90's is a different program then it is today. The Katy program has been the same since the 80's. They havent fell and hod to rebuild there program. And i dont see them falling until joseph leaves.

[farmerfan]

I dont dispute that DFW is better top to bottom, the numbers cant allow me. But it's like you think that Katy wouldnt be Katy if they were in the DFW.

Im just looking forward to the next few years. Some houston programs have started to show signs of catching up. Hopefully we can start to put up more of a fight.

I dont doubt that some Houston programs are getting better but I dont think enough to close the gap. The programs up here are also getting better and better too and I dont see the dominance slowing down anytime soon.

[85Roughneck]

SV asked a question listing coaches to which you had no problem with because he listed a guy that is obviously close to you and your family since you have family ties to that school. As for you posting your opinion its no biggie that you didnt post yours and you really dont need to apologize to me as you never offended me with anything, I dont have any hard feeling towards you or anybody else based on what they post.

As for taking your pride away fro the GHA that is cool, its good to have people with loyalty, but as for not being able to convince you of the quality of football up here as opposed to the GHA, its not comparable right now and hasn't been that way in a long time. The Dallas area doninated by having something like 3x as many programs as the HGA does over the last 28 years who have added to their trophy case. So yes there are some trophy cases in GHA but not nearly as many as there are in the DFW. Heck since 90 alone only 2 programs from GHA have ben able to add to their trophy case. Thats all I point out and I am sorry it hits so close to home its just the way it is right now.

didn't have a problem with the question or the list SV presented ... only had a problem with your "I'm better than you" posts.

again, we're cool farmerfan ... if you're ever in the GHA for a game we should all hook up for some cold beer.

[farmerfan]

I think of it in eras.

The slc in the 80's and 90's is a different program then it is today. The Katy program has been the same since the 80's. They havent fell and hod to rebuild there program. And i dont see them falling until joseph leaves.

So how has Carroll fallen then though, they won 11 games two years ago and they went 8-3 a year ago in a season shortened by games. They were one serious injury to Riley Dodge away from making it back to the championship game. So I think its still a bit early for people to start dismissing them.
As for the different eras and what not, yes you are right there Carroll went from the ground game of Lineweaver in the 80's and early 90's to the spred of Dodge during now, but they have always won and done so more than anybody else in the last 25 years. I think they will be just fine.

[farmerfan]

didn't have a problem with the question or the list SV presented ... only had a problem with your "I'm better than you" posts.

again, we're cool farmerfan ... if you're ever in the GHA for a game we should all hook up for some cold beer.

My only complaint to what you have posted though is I gave my list of coaches as to why I think they are better than others, its the same thing that SV did with his list and you accepted his because he had people listed that are obviously close to you. You never said to him, you list this as if you know or played for them all. He came with that same"I'm better than you" attitude by listing his, did he not?
I dont drink beer with Houston people. My country club membership could be revoked if they ever found out about that. :D Thanks for the offer though.

[85Roughneck]

My only complaint to what you have posted though is I gave my list of coaches as to why I think they are better than others, its the same thing that SV did with his list and you accepted his because he had people listed that are obviously close to you. You never said to him, you list this as if you know or played for them all. He came with that same"I'm better than you" attitude by listing his, did he not?
I dont drink beer with Houston people. My country club membership could be revoked if they ever found out about that. :D Thanks for the offer though.

then you're buying the first two rounds buddy, cuz I ain't houston folk!

... and at the risk of continuing this debate ... I didn't accept SV's list ... like I said before, I should have posted my list before getting pissed about your post. for the record my list is as follows:

coaches still currently coaching in 5A high school:

1. Joseph KATY
2. Lineweaver ET
3. Hill SV
4. Westerberg ALLEN
5. Aymon NS

[farmerfan]

then you're buying the first two rounds buddy, cuz I ain't houston folk!

... and at the risk of continuing this debate ... I didn't accept SV's list ... like I said before, I should have posted my list before getting pissed about your post. for the record my list is as follows:

coaches still currently coaching in 5A high school:

1. Joseph KATY
2. Lineweaver ET
3. Hill SV
4. Westerberg ALLEN
5. Aymon NS

Damn you for continuing the debate.
As for the beer, thats good that you're not from Houston. I wouldn't admit it if I was though ;)
The only requirement is I do not buy Miller products when buying rounds.

[85Roughneck]

Damn you for continuing the debate.
As for the beer, thats good that you're not from Houston. I wouldn't admit it if I was though ;)
The only requirement is I do not buy Miller products when buying rounds.

Hot damn! I knew you was a good boy!!! I hate M... M.... products heck, I can't even type it out I hate it so bad... Bud or Bud light is my second choice. I'll let you know that straight up because you probably don't and won't drink what I buy and that, my friend, is The National Beer of The Great State of TEXAS !!! LONE STAR !!! ... yep, headed to the fridge now ... BRB.

[33Blood]

In a point value system ranking done last year Celina was #1, Plano #2, Southlake #3, Permian #5 and Katy was #12. Katy has had a great run of late but doesn't come close on History. Southlake will probably turn it back around but not with the current cadre. Collin County is truly the king when it comes to an area of State Championships.

[ftballin11]

In a point value system ranking done last year Celina was #1, Plano #2, Southlake #3, Permian #5 and Katy was #12. Katy has had a great run of late but doesn't come close on History. Southlake will probably turn it back around but not with the current cadre. Collin County is truly the king when it comes to an area of State Championships.

Were talkin about current programs.

[farmerfan]

Hot damn! I knew you was a good boy!!! I hate M... M.... products heck, I can't even type it out I hate it so bad... Bud or Bud light is my second choice. I'll let you know that straight up because you probably don't and won't drink what I buy and that, my friend, is The National Beer of The Great State of TEXAS !!! LONE STAR !!! ... yep, headed to the fridge now ... BRB.

Its all about Budweiser with me my friend. I'll drink some Lone Star but I like Pearl more.

[85Roughneck]

In a point value system ranking done last year Celina was #1, Plano #2, Southlake #3, Permian #5 and Katy was #12. Katy has had a great run of late but doesn't come close on History. Southlake will probably turn it back around but not with the current cadre. Collin County is truly the king when it comes to an area of State Championships.

Your post is a good illustration as to what guys like me and Flee defend against ... of the 5 teams you list only one is from the GHA ... this is what we're hollerin' atcha ... Katy is alone for the most part and holds off the DFW and all others by itself. One might say that Katy is an anomoly of sorts. Not me of course ;). I wouldn't say that, but someone from the DFW may.

No one can dispute that Collin County is King ... I agree, the numbers are irrefutable. But as Flee has shown before, Katy by itself has a good record against the DFW and Collin County fans have agreed to this notion in this and other threads as well.

[85Roughneck]

Its all about Budweiser with me my friend. I'll drink some Lone Star but I like Pearl more.

I have fallen off the last few years, but I have traditionally had at least one Pearl every year thus the name I gave it ... "Annual Pearl". Me and the boyz used to drive quite a ways to get "A" Pearl after the Lone Star dist. shut down in my hometown. Problem is you just can find Pearl much anymore. I have a Kroger about 5 miles from the house where I have to go to get Lone Star in bottles. well worth the drive and the wait. :D

..... buuuuurrrp ... ahhhh ... room for one more. ;)

[farmerfan]

Your post is a good illustration as to what guys like me and Flee defend against ... of the 5 teams you list only one is from the GHA ... this is what we're hollerin' atcha ... Katy is alone for the most part and holds off the DFW and all others by itself. One might say that Katy is an anomoly of sorts. Not me of course ;). I wouldn't say that, but someone from the DFW may.

No one can dispute that Collin County is King ... I agree, the numbers are irrefutable. But as Flee has shown before, Katy by itself has a good record against the DFW and Collin County fans have agreed to this notion in this and other threads as well.

Flee has never done the such. Flee has pointed out the record Katy has in title games saying they have beaten a rep from the north who either was or had to go through DFW.
What Flee has never pointed out is that in head to head games that DFW area teams are 3-2 against Katy. He wants to say were putting a whole regbion up against Katy when that is not the case, what we are saying is that up here it would be much tougher for Katy to have accomplished what they have down there and we back that up with the recordagainst DFW area teams in title games. For the record, Katy is 0-1 against Collin County too.

[ktCarl]

Damn you for continuing the debate.
As for the beer, thats good that you're not from Houston. I wouldn't admit it if I was though ;)
The only requirement is I do not buy Miller products when buying rounds.

Dos Equis Amber?

[85Roughneck]

Flee has never done the such. Flee has pointed out the record Katy has in title games saying they have beaten a rep from the north who either was or had to go through DFW. OK ... but isn't that a valid point?

What Flee has never pointed out is that in head to head games that DFW area teams are 3-2 against Katy. He wants to say were putting a whole regbion up against Katy when that is not the case,

but that is what you're saying when you lump Katy in with Houston and say all of R3 sux. few of the other Htown teams get to play DFW in the finals and on fewer occasions, right?

what we are saying is that up here it would be much tougher for Katy to have accomplished what they have down there and we back that up with the recordagainst DFW area teams in title games. For the record, Katy is 0-1 against Collin County too.

wouldn't that be 1-1 against SLC?

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[ktCarl]

Flee has never done the such. Flee has pointed out the record Katy has in title games saying they have beaten a rep from the north who either was or had to go through DFW.
What Flee has never pointed out is that in head to head games that DFW area teams are 3-2 against Katy. He wants to say were putting a whole regbion up against Katy when that is not the case, what we are saying is that up here it would be much tougher for Katy to have accomplished what they have down there and we back that up with the recordagainst DFW area teams in title games. For the record, Katy is 0-1 against Collin County too.


I agree with that statement but I would conclude because of coaching Katy would have come away with the same results.

[33Blood]

The greatest team of all time in my opinion was from the Houston area. The 1985 Yates team was the most dominant team I have ever seen.

[85Roughneck]

The greatest team of all time in my opinion was from the Houston area. The 1985 Yates team was the most dominant team I have ever seen.

good post, but it should be in another thread? ... don't get me wrong, I'm not the thread nazi or gestapo ... but it is kind of out of the blue for this thread, huh?

[E-Vol-ution]

I've got one Shiner Bock left and a fishing buddy waiting on me to pull bass and crappie out of this lake once the wifey gets home.
I'll be more tolerable of all the "Katy is King and Nobody loves us Better" crew.............once I get back.
Damn what a curse it is having all this talent and no coaching in the DFW............how unlucky!
That Budweiser costs "Heinekin" dollars these days....kinda makes you want stick out your pinky and sip it from a flute.:notworthy
Its all about Budweiser with me my friend. I'll drink some Lone Star but I like Pearl more.

[farmerfan]

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As far as the region goes, yes we do say outside of Katy region 3 does sucks because nobody outside of Katy has shown they can do things against othe other part of the state. Thus it can be aruged that Katy's success stems from not only the good coaching and talent but also from not having a equal in either in their region, when they have played a team from the DFW area who is used to tough teams in the regular season and playoffs then Katy hasnt fared as well and that could be mainly due to the DFW teams they have played being battle tested and used to playing tough teams.
As for SLC and Collin COunty, Carroll is located in Tarrant County.

[farmerfan]

good post, but it should be in another thread? ... don't get me wrong, I'm not the thread nazi or gestapo ... but it is kind of out of the blue for this thread, huh?

its the off-season and things get thrown off topic all the time. nobody will get upset with you for that.
Heck jump on it, Houston needs a reason to feel good about itself again:D

[33Blood]

The best coach in the state is GA Moore. He has scoreboard on all others by a pretty good margin. A few weeks ago he wasn't in the mix. But since he is back he has to be on top.

[85Roughneck]

As for SLC and Collin COunty, Carroll is located in Tarrant County.

my bad, when I lived Irving and attended college I wasn't interested in high school football. my mind was on other things ... ;) I don't know the land by county very good.

[85Roughneck]

its the off-season and things get thrown off topic all the time. nobody will get upset with you for that.
Heck jump on it, Houston needs a reason to feel good about itself again:D

LOL! well played ! :notworthy:D:D

[33Blood]

As for SLC and Collin COunty, Carroll is located in Tarrant County.

yeah Southlake is in Tarrant. But Tarrant is way behind Collin with Celina, Plano and now Prosper. Southlake and Celina do dip into Denton County too.

[Plano West Wolf]

Westerberg at Allen, Howard at Wylie and Jaydon McCullough at Plano are all excellent coaches.

[STPFootball2011]

you guys gotta give some props to Coach Chessher at SP. HE turned around a program that was winning maybe a game or 2 a year and a ton of kids were transferring out and turned us into a potential state power for the next couple years. you dont get that by just luck

[SLC]

Um no, SLC and I have gone back and forth quite a bit, I dont follow him around though like you seem to have done. That being said, what is there to measure the coaches being discussed on?
Also, you point me out as for not having played for the coaches we list, but what about the actual starter of the thread? How many of the guys that he listed did he play for? Zero. Dont see you calling him out. Why? Probably because he list your guy as number 1.
As for my arrogance, I am sorry your football down in Houston sucks. That is not my fault and if you dont like it being pointed out then maybe you all should start winning more titles down there. All I have to work on is the number of schools and coaches up here who have built and maintained programs while having to play a much tougher road to get there than the ones in Region 3 and 4 do. Its not being biased but being real, you think its biased because I happen to be pointing out that the football in the part of the state you follow simply can not compare to that up here.


Some folks no matter how much you tell them, will never get the point.

BTW...Nice sig.:D

[SLC]

Once again, what is so arrogant about what I point out?
Does the Dallas area not dominate the Houston area when it comes to HS football?
All I have asked is for some of you all to show me where I am wrong and I will shut up.
You shjould also know that the threads I state this stuff in is never started by me, somebody from Houston or SA makes a comment and then I come in with my so called "Dallas arrogance" to shush them.


Yep..We just state the facts...Straight facts homie.

[SLC]

I think it makes you mad that the best program in the state is in Houston and not the DFW.



10 years makes a program?...or 15 or whatever?...LMAO...Wake up son.

[farmerfan]

Yep..We just state the facts...Straight facts homie.

truth comes across as arrogance I guess:cool:

[SLC]

Carol? They had a great run, but i dont see them getting back to the status they one were. I see them slowly declining.

Basically Katy been in the elite status since 97' and is still in it and dont see them slowing down till Joseph is gone. ( He aint leavin any time soon)

Oh and Celina, you got me there. But hopefully we can catch them. We caught up a title this year.



What status has left us?....Two top of the line QB's had their seasons ended, which in turn had us lose games....Thats it. Was Katy in the elite staus mode when they failed to win a title from '04-'06?...3 seasons...Carroll has yet to lose 3 regular season games this decade in 5A and never took the butt whoping that The Woodlands put on Katy.

If we can end our seasons without suffering major injuries, then I think you will see first hand that Carroll is still here...Cant wait...Come on up to the DFW and get it this fall.

[SLC]

I think of it in eras.

The slc in the 80's and 90's is a different program then it is today. The Katy program has been the same since the 80's. They havent fell and hod to rebuild there program. And i dont see them falling until joseph leaves.


Got it in the 80's, got it in the 90's and got it in the 00's. HC's may have changed but the Carroll program has been fairly consistant and the winningest over the last 1/4 century....Katy's been doing it for 15 years...Not even close..next.

[MHSfootball]

you guys gotta give some props to Coach Chessher at SP. HE turned around a program that was winning maybe a game or 2 a year and a ton of kids were transferring out and turned us into a potential state power for the next couple years. you dont get that by just luck
I second this.

As well as throwing the man who coaches over at Round Rock High School into this discussion.

[SLC]

I dont dispute that DFW is better top to bottom, the numbers cant allow me. But it's like you think that Katy wouldnt be Katy if they were in the DFW.

Im just looking forward to the next few years. Some houston programs have started to show signs of catching up. Hopefully we can start to put up more of a fight.


I'll say this...Katy wouldn't have the cupcake walk to the finals if they were here in the DFW, that they have int the Houston area and through region 3 and 4. I think Katy would do pretty good here, but not to the extent that they enjoy in the Houston area.

Conversely you can put Carroll, Trinity, Garland, Plano, Allen, Hebron, Lewisville, Cedar Hill, Marcus, Bowie, Lamar, Mesquite, and several others into the Houston area and any of them could make it to the finals as easy as Katy does.

[SLC]

I dont doubt that some Houston programs are getting better but I dont think enough to close the gap. The programs up here are also getting better and better too and I dont see the dominance slowing down anytime soon.


Nope if anything the gap is going to get wider, not narrower. We know have Allen added to the mix and Duncanville may be close to blowing up. Marcus is almost back and Lewisville and Heritage are also going to continue to improve. The Irving schools reload so they aren't going no where. If we could just get the Keller schools and Richardson schools to step it up and we would be uber dominant.

[svhorns]

You two are too predictable... I had a feeling this would turn into a D F DUB suck fest... It's too bad we can't get any knowledgeable posters from the Dallas area who know football outside of their own area... notice I named coaches from three different geographical regions... because I've seen all three in action... but it seems the consensus agree that Coach Joseph and Coach Hill are the top two in the state... but I already knew that.

[SLC]

yeah Southlake is in Tarrant. But Tarrant is way behind Collin with Celina, Plano and now Prosper. Southlake and Celina do dip into Denton County too.



Actually no....Not way behind at all...Collin County claims 20 titles and Tarrant County claims 16 titles. Also it doesnt matter if city boundries border another county, its based off the county in which the high school resides.

[SLC]

You two are too predictable... I had a feeling this would turn into a D F DUB suck fest... It's too bad we can't get any knowledgeable posters from the Dallas area who know football outside of their own area... notice I named coaches from three different geographical regions... because I've seen all three in action... but it seems the consensus agree that Coach Joseph and Coach Hill are the top two in the state... but I already knew that.



You will not find very many members with the knowledge of Texas high school football across the entire state than Farmer and myself...Hell I named coaches you have never even heard of. My list is the most accurate and honest list you will find on the thread. Its not about naming coaches from different geographical areas...Its about naming the best coaches regardless and by my count Larry Hill is 5th or 6th in the state in 5A and would be down around 10th in the entire state.


And I didn't see a consensus on Larry Hill at all.

[svhorns]

You will not find very many members with the knowledge of Dallas high school football across the entire state than Farmer and myself...Hell I named coaches you have never even heard of. My list is the most accurate and honest list you will find on the thread. Its not about naming coaches from different geographical areas...Its about naming the best coaches regardless and by my count Larry Hill is 5th or 6th in the state in 5A and would be down around 10th in the entire state.


And I didn't see a consensus on Larry Hill at all.

FIFY and you named two coaches that I'm not familiar with... The Coaches from Everman and Marcus... both of which happened to be from... surprise surprise... The Dallas area...

[dh4541]

How about Lanny Wilson at Round Rock. He took team that was a prennial loser and turn it into a playoff contender every year. They also went three rounds witha win over Outlaw and Lufkin a two years ago. Plus he is a good person

[SP Tiger Backer]

you guys gotta give some props to Coach Chessher at SP. HE turned around a program that was winning maybe a game or 2 a year and a ton of kids were transferring out and turned us into a potential state power for the next couple years. you dont get that by just luck

They all know it but just won't admit it.

[STPFootball2011]

They all know it but just won't admit it.
aw well. they'd rather argue about whether Houston teams have better uni's then Dallas teams or vis versa rather then care about any other part of the state

[slcdragonfan]

i think it makes you mad that the best program in the state is in houston and not the dfw.

North Shore you mean?:D

[slcdragonfan]

FIFY and you named two coaches that I'm not familiar with... The Coaches from Everman and Marcus... both of which happened to be from... surprise surprise... The Dallas area...

Hmmm, I wonder where Coach Erwin at Marcus coached before he came to Marcus? hmmmm...LaMarque? Where is that now, I forget?
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Bryan P. Erwin - In his thirteen years as a head football coach, Coach Erwin has amassed a 131-38 record. Erwin’s teams have averaged ten wins per season for thirteen years! He has been in the state playoffs 12 out of 13 years. Coach Erwin has led his teams to the state quarterfinal game 6 times, the state semi-final game 3 times, and has won two State Championships.

Coach Erwin received his Master of Education and Bachelor of Science, with honors, from the University of Texas at Austin. He worked as a student assistant football coach with the Longhorns during his undergraduate studies. He continued with the Longhorns for two more years as a graduate assistant, while earning his Master’s Degree. In 1993 Coach Erwin moved to SMU where he worked as a graduate assistant for one year before entering public education at Nimitz High School in Irving in 1994.

Coach Erwin became Athletic Director & Head Football Coach at Italy High School in 1995. While at Italy, Coach Erwin had a very successful 35-5 record in three seasons. In 1997, his last season at Italy, his team was 14-1 and a State Semi-Finalist.

Erwin went to Hillsboro High School in 1998 as Head Football Coach. Hillsboro made the playoffs three years in a row and won its first Bi-District Championship in 46 years under Coach Erwin.

Coach Erwin became the Head Football Coach at La Marque High School in April 2002. Erwin compiled a record of 65-8 in five seasons at La Marque. In 2003, the La Marque Cougars were the 4A Division II State Champions and had a perfect 16-0 record. In 2006, the La Marque Cougars won the 4A Division II State Championship with a 15-1 record. Erwin finished his tenure at La Marque High School with the highest winning percentage in school history.

On February 1, 2007, Erwin was named the third Head Football Coach in Flower Mound Marcus High School history. In his first year, Coach Erwin led the Marauders to a remarkable turnaround as his team posted a 9-3 record and a Bi-District Championship.

Coach Erwin has received the following honors: All Greater Houston Coach of the Year (2003 & 2006), Houston Texans Coach of the Year (2003 & 2006), Galveston County Coach of the Year (2002, 2003, 2006), eight time District Coach of the Year, Fox Sports Coach that Makes a Difference, three time finalist for the Houston Touchdown Club Coach of the Year Award, and numerous other Coach of the Week honors.
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as SLC says, next?

[svhorns]

Hmmm, I wonder where Coach Erwin at Marcus coached before he came to Marcus? hmmmm...LaMarque? Where is that now, I forget?
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Bryan P. Erwin - In his thirteen years as a head football coach, Coach Erwin has amassed a 131-38 record. Erwin’s teams have averaged ten wins per season for thirteen years! He has been in the state playoffs 12 out of 13 years. Coach Erwin has led his teams to the state quarterfinal game 6 times, the state semi-final game 3 times, and has won two State Championships.

Coach Erwin received his Master of Education and Bachelor of Science, with honors, from the University of Texas at Austin. He worked as a student assistant football coach with the Longhorns during his undergraduate studies. He continued with the Longhorns for two more years as a graduate assistant, while earning his Master’s Degree. In 1993 Coach Erwin moved to SMU where he worked as a graduate assistant for one year before entering public education at Nimitz High School in Irving in 1994.

Coach Erwin became Athletic Director & Head Football Coach at Italy High School in 1995. While at Italy, Coach Erwin had a very successful 35-5 record in three seasons. In 1997, his last season at Italy, his team was 14-1 and a State Semi-Finalist.

Erwin went to Hillsboro High School in 1998 as Head Football Coach. Hillsboro made the playoffs three years in a row and won its first Bi-District Championship in 46 years under Coach Erwin.

Coach Erwin became the Head Football Coach at La Marque High School in April 2002. Erwin compiled a record of 65-8 in five seasons at La Marque. In 2003, the La Marque Cougars were the 4A Division II State Champions and had a perfect 16-0 record. In 2006, the La Marque Cougars won the 4A Division II State Championship with a 15-1 record. Erwin finished his tenure at La Marque High School with the highest winning percentage in school history.

On February 1, 2007, Erwin was named the third Head Football Coach in Flower Mound Marcus High School history. In his first year, Coach Erwin led the Marauders to a remarkable turnaround as his team posted a 9-3 record and a Bi-District Championship.

Coach Erwin has received the following honors: All Greater Houston Coach of the Year (2003 & 2006), Houston Texans Coach of the Year (2003 & 2006), Galveston County Coach of the Year (2002, 2003, 2006), eight time District Coach of the Year, Fox Sports Coach that Makes a Difference, three time finalist for the Houston Touchdown Club Coach of the Year Award, and numerous other Coach of the Week honors.
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as SLC says, next?

La Marque... that school is one of the most athletic schools in the nation... as svhorns says... next

[powerofthehaka]

Lineweaver>all others.......................PERIOD!

People don't realize that as Trinity's soph coach between 1980 and 1990 he lost one game as head "soph" coach. With John Reddell (a hall of famer) intrenched he had to move on to furher his legacy. Someone had made a statement about loyalty that kinda got my goat.

This is a man I love and respect. He is a football mastermind and a GREAT human being. The kid's he deals with on a daily basis could go either way on the LIFE track. He has a way of steering them in the RIGHT direction. This is what a high school coach IS. His wins and losses are secondary compared to this.

There are, and have been alot of great ones, but nobody will EVER be able to convince me of one greater than Coach Lineweaver.:notworthy

[SLC]

FIFY and you named two coaches that I'm not familiar with... The Coaches from Everman and Marcus... both of which happened to be from... surprise surprise... The Dallas area...

You are such a clown dude...I am willing to bet that I have more knowledge of the southern part of Texas in high school football than you do..Including the Austin and San Antonio areas.


And the coach from Marcus came from down south...he even won two titles down there prior to coming to FMM...He came from a very well known program in the south...WOW....one more time...WOW.

[slcdragonfan]

La Marque... that school is one of the most athletic schools in the nation... as svhorns says... next

where is it located?:D Please tell me, I am from Pasadena and have forgotten, is it in the DFW area?

Next....

[SLC]

La Marque... that school is one of the most athletic schools in the nation... as svhorns says... next


Quit pouting about talent man...Not every school that wins titles are talented..in fact a large majority of them dont have an abundance of talent,,its scattered around...here and there.. Its about the sum of the parts...not the parts of the sum.


If he wins even one title then he's in...But until then he's not among the elite.

[BuckeyeDave]

North Shore you mean?:D

LOL ... North Shore has a great program but they've finished the deal only once. I don't think they can be discussed in the same breath as Katy, their long regular-season win streak notwithstanding.
I'll cast my vote for Gary Joseph.

[farmerfan]

You are such a clown dude...I am willing to bet that I have more knowledge of the southern part of Texas in high school football than you do..Including the Austin and San Antonio areas.


And the coach from Marcus came from down south...he even won two titles down there prior to coming to FMM...He came from a very well known program in the south...WOW....one more time...WOW.

Our knowledge is definitely not just geared towards the entire state, it just happens we live in the very best part of the state right now and the rest knows it but cant handle it. You get people into a bar or any other venue without a computer to go look things up and what not then I would be willing to bet a huge sum of money that you and I would more than hold our own, especially with somebody like SVhorns that has shown he knows nothing outside of SV and Austin. An area that is hardly known for winning.

[svhorns]

You are such a clown dude...I am willing to bet that I have more knowledge of the southern part of Texas in high school football than you do..Including the Austin and San Antonio areas.


And the coach from Marcus came from down south...he even won two titles down there prior to coming to FMM...He came from a very well known program in the south...WOW....one more time...WOW.

Betcha don't. You might have a little bit of history on me considering you're about 12-15 years older than me but the fact of the matter is... Coach Hill over achieves more than any other coach in the great state of Tejas.

[twcpfan1]

LOL ... North Shore has a great program but they've finished the deal only once. I don't think they can be discussed in the same breath as Katy, their long regular-season win streak notwithstanding.
I'll cast my vote for Gary Joseph.


NS is very similar to Lufkin. It's the quality of their athletes and not necessarily the coaching that defines their success.

[farmerfan]

Quit pouting about talent man...Not every school that wins titles are talented..in fact a large majority of them dont have an abundance of talent,,its scattered around...here and there.. Its about the sum of the parts...not the parts of the sum.


If he wins even one title then he's in...But until then he's not among the elite.

Exactly man. I'll take the two Lewisville teams that won titles, they had a grand total of 4 guys who played college football, 4 on 2 teams including the 96 team who had1 that went to UNT.
Marcus High the following year had 4 but the most prestigious of those schools was Purdue. This whole whining about talent is a sorry excuse to dismiss the inability some have shown to have in finishing the job. Coach Hill has had 3 opportunities and failed at all 3.

[farmerfan]

Betcha don't. You might have a little bit of history on me considering you're about 12-15 years older than me but the fact of the matter is... Coach Hill over achieves more than any other coach in the great state of Tejas.

Over acheives in what aspect?
He has won nothing. No titles. Thats not over achieving and as far as knowing about this state and what it has to offer, no you dont. I have seen your post and compared to SLC or even myself, you would not be able to hold a intelligent conversation about high school football from 1A-5A throughout this state.

[farmerfan]

Quit pouting about talent man...Not every school that wins titles are talented..in fact a large majority of them dont have an abundance of talent,,its scattered around...here and there.. Its about the sum of the parts...not the parts of the sum.


If he wins even one title then he's in...But until then he's not among the elite.

Umm, if I am not mistaken, one of Coach Erwins titles came at the expense of a team and coach that Coach Hill could not beat in Joey Florence and Denton Ryan. But wait, that was all talent and no coaching. :rolleyes:

[slcdragonfan]

Over acheives in what aspect?
He has won nothing. No titles. Thats not over achieving and as far as knowing about this state and what it has to offer, no you dont. I have seen your post and compared to SLC or even myself, you would not be able to hold a intelligent conversation about high school football from 1A-5A throughout this state.

you're getting nasty FF....

[svhorns]

Over acheives in what aspect?
He has won nothing. No titles. Thats not over achieving and as far as knowing about this state and what it has to offer, no you dont. I have seen your post and compared to SLC or even myself, you would not be able to hold a intelligent conversation about high school football from 1A-5A throughout this state.

I'll admit I'm not the best writer in the world... I've admitted that on plenty of occasions in the yard... nor am I the most intelligent person in the world... but you don't really need intellects to debate high school football... but thanks for telling me something I already knew... I still feel that there's no way in hell either one of ya'll know more about Austin high school football than myself... San Antonio... I'm still learning I only lived there for 3 years... so it's much harder to catch games there.

[SLC]

Betcha don't. You might have a little bit of history on me considering you're about 12-15 years older than me but the fact of the matter is... Coach Hill over achieves more than any other coach in the great state of Tejas.


LMAO...I've got more knowledge of the under 12 Sunday school church league in Kalamazoo, Michigan then you have of the 265.

Great Hill is an overachiever...Overachiever does not mean great...next.

[svhorns]

LMAO...I've got more knowledge of the under 12 Sunday school church league in Kalamazoo, Michigan then you have of the 265.

Great Hill is an overachiever...Overachiever does not mean great...next.

I have an Aunt that lives there... and my mom rewrites bible studies in spanish for churches there... pretty ironic I might say but it looks like I have the upper hand.

[SLC]

I have an Aunt that lives there... and my mom rewrites bible studies in spanish for churches there... pretty ironic I might say but it looks like I have the upper hand.


Well screw you then.:p:D

[slcdragonfan]

Well screw you then.:p:D

Rough nite? You and FF are playing hardball tonight. You gonna give the SV coach any slack at all?:)

[Firebird]

Rough nite? You and FF are playing hardball tonight. You gonna give the SV coach any slack at all?:)

He's a good coach, he's just not among the top two in Texas. There are far too many coaches with multiple championships out there to put a coach that high up who hasn't brought one home yet.

[SLC]

Rough nite? You and FF are playing hardball tonight. You gonna give the SV coach any slack at all?:)



He is a very good coach...And so is elder Peach, but we here in the DF DUB are not proclaiming he is above coaches who have at least one title, let alone multiple titles.

Like Eddie, if Larry gets one then IMO he is in...but that hasn't happened yet.

[farmerfan]

Rough nite? You and FF are playing hardball tonight. You gonna give the SV coach any slack at all?:)

Sure. Once he wins something that's worth bragging about and in Texas that is a state championship ;)

[farmerfan]

I'll admit I'm not the best writer in the world... I've admitted that on plenty of occasions in the yard... nor am I the most intelligent person in the world... but you don't really need intellects to debate high school football... but thanks for telling me something I already knew... I still feel that there's no way in hell either one of ya'll know more about Austin high school football than myself... San Antonio... I'm still learning I only lived there for 3 years... so it's much harder to catch games there.

Here is what you need to know about Austin area football. For two years in the 90's Austin Westlake was bumped up to Region 2 where they would play a DFW team in the regional finals, they lose both times to DFW teams in Lake Highlands and Garland by an average of 19 ppg. The following two years they make it back to state championship games where they once again lose. So other than the fact that Westlake has made it to 5 title games only winning 1 and the silent P's made it to one last year, what is there to know that is so impressive about Austin HS football. Especially in regards to the DF-Dub?

[b756561]

Wow, you guys are really getting into this thread. It's been fun reading your replys to each other. I must admit it is sad that I have nothing better to do than to listen to a couple of guys having a pissing contest. Oh well that's the story of my life. :Censor:
Back to the thread; I won't say who the best coach in Texas is for unlike others on this thread, I'm not qualified to make that judgement. Still I must give kudos to G.A.Moore. For although he may not be the Christian man (at least not in football) he claims to be and while he DOES bend the rules every chance he gets, I can't deny his record no matter what he may have done to obtain it. But that's for another thread. Other than G.A. I also want to say look out for a couple of long time Assistant Coachs who have taken over at a couple of big-time schools. Tom Westerberg has already proven what he can do at Allen :notworthy:notworthyand keep your eyes on JayDon McCollough at Plano. Anyone who saw the Plano-Trinity game in Texas Stadium this year knows what I'm talking about. :):) I expect to see those two names in print for many years to come.
Now back to your ongoing pissing contest.

[svhorns]

Here is what you need to know about Austin area football. For two years in the 90's Austin Westlake was bumped up to Region 2 where they would play a DFW team in the regional finals, they lose both times to DFW teams in Lake Highlands and Garland by an average of 19 ppg. The following two years they make it back to state championship games where they once again lose. So other than the fact that Westlake has made it to 5 title games only winning 1 and the silent P's made it to one last year, what is there to know that is so impressive about Austin HS football. Especially in regards to the DF-Dub?

I guess you don't much about Austin Reagan who won 3 state championships in the 60's with one possibly in the early 70's... they beat Odessa Permian twice in those state championship games... but yea don't let your ego get in the way...

[farmerfan]

I guess you don't much about Austin Reagan who won 3 state championships in the 60's with one possibly in the early 70's... they beat Odessa Permian twice in those state championship games... but yea don't let your ego get in the way...

Austin Regan had a nice run in the 60's and did beat Permian in 68 and 70. After Regan the Austin area went how long without a big school state title though?
As I said, just take Austin Westlake who had a two year stint in Region 2 and never made it out of the regional round when facing DFW area teams. If all you have to hold onto is Austin Regan then you pretty much make our point yet again.

[farmerfan]

Wow, you guys are really getting into this thread. It's been fun reading your replys to each other. I must admit it is sad that I have nothing better to do than to listen to a couple of guys having a pissing contest. Oh well that's the story of my life. :Censor:
Back to the thread; I won't say who the best coach in Texas is for unlike others on this thread, I'm not qualified to make that judgement. Still I must give kudos to G.A.Moore. For although he may not be the Christian man (at least not in football) he claims to be and while he DOES bend the rules every chance he gets, I can't deny his record no matter what he may have done to obtain it. But that's for another thread. Other than G.A. I also want to say look out for a couple of long time Assistant Coachs who have taken over at a couple of big-time schools. Tom Westerberg has already proven what he can do at Allen :notworthy:notworthyand keep your eyes on JayDon McCollough at Plano. Anyone who saw the Plano-Trinity game in Texas Stadium this year knows what I'm talking about. :):) I expect to see those two names in print for many years to come.
Now back to your ongoing pissing contest.

Tom Westerberg had been knocking on the door and finally knocked it down this year. He definitely has the Allen program ready to make what could be a pretty nice run.

[svhorns]

Austin Regan had a nice run in the 60's and did beat Permian in 68 and 70. After Regan the Austin area went how long without a big school state title though?
As I said, just take Austin Westlake who had a two year stint in Region 2 and never made it out of the regional round when facing DFW area teams. If all you have to hold onto is Austin Regan then you pretty much make our point yet again.

I'm not holding on to anything. I'm just correcting/adding on to your statement about Austin football... I figured a Texas high school football guru such as yourself would have known that already.

[farmerfan]

I'm not holding on to anything. I'm just correcting/adding on to your statement about Austin football... I figured a Texas high school football guru such as yourself would have known that already.

What were you correcting?
Austin Regan had a nice 3-4 year run and did so as new school. Congrats. After their state title in 70 it took the Austin area 26 years to produce another state champion in the largest classification. It has now been 12 since thier last title as well. So in a span of 38 years you have two state titles. Congrats.

[svhorns]

What were you correcting?
Austin Regan had a nice 3-4 year run and did so as new school. Congrats. After their state title in 70 it took the Austin area 26 years to produce another state champion in the largest classification. It has now been 12 since thier last title as well. So in a span of 38 years you have two state titles. Congrats.

Here is what you need to know about Austin area football.

You failed to mention Austin Reagan....when every Texas high school football guru knows Austin Reagan held the title for being the powerhouse in Austin before Westlake.

[farmerfan]

You failed to mention Austin Reagan....when every Texas high school football guru knows Austin Reagan held the title for being the powerhouse in Austin before Westlake.

If you wanted to take it back to the 70's then yes. We were factoring in recent times though and the only thing from Austin during the time we were factoring would have been Austin Westlake. The trend showed that Westlake can get the job done when playing other Austin area schools and SA area schools but struggled greatly the two years they were in a Dallas area region. Still though, the window for Austin and Regan was short lived in terms of time compared to what you have seen the programs up here do.

[svhorns]

If you wanted to take it back to the 70's then yes. We were factoring in recent times though and the only thing from Austin during the time we were factoring would have been Austin Westlake. The trend showed that Westlake can get the job done when playing other Austin area schools and SA area schools but struggled greatly the two years they were in a Dallas area region. Still though, the window for Austin and Regan was short lived in terms of time compared to what you have seen the programs up here do.

Do you realize that not once have I refuted the fact that the Dallas Fort Worth area is playing the best football in the state right now... I told CKE that the last time I was with him and we both agreed... You seem to get so damn angry or annoyed with folks when they debate with you... but that isn't the topic of this thread... and IMO Coach Hill is ranked 1b in the state... no he doesn't have any state titles... I know that.

[farmerfan]

Do you realize that not once have I refuted the fact that the Dallas Fort Worth area is playing the best football in the state right now... I told CKE that the last time I was with him and we both agreed... You seem to get so damn angry or annoyed with folks when they debate with you... but that isn't the topic of this thread... and IMO Coach Hill is ranked 1b in the state... no he doesn't have any state titles... I know that.

Who's getting angry?
I'm on a freaking keyboard drinking a pepsi and am as happy as can be. You all think I get angry because I argue this stuff but what does that say about you all who constantly want to bring it up and attempt to debate it? Does that mean you all are angry too:eek:
You can not rank a guy with no skins above another who has the skins and did so at two different programs that were not the talent goldmines he suppoesdly inherited. Your opinion is strongly biased due to that being the school you attended. Only you and a few of the Katy fans would even attempt to justify having Hill above guys like Lineweaver, Brazil, Outlaw, Erwin and more.
Time to go get another Pepsi.

[svhorns]

Who's getting angry?
I'm on a freaking keyboard drinking a pepsi and am as happy as can be. You all think I get angry because I argue this stuff but what does that say about you all who constantly want to bring it up and attempt to debate it? Does that mean you all are angry too:eek:
You can not rank a guy with no skins above another who has the skins and did so at two different programs that were not the talent goldmines he suppoesdly inherited. Your opinion is strongly biased due to that being the school you attended. Only you and a few of the Katy fans would even attempt to justify having Hill above guys like Lineweaver, Brazil, Outlaw, Erwin and more.
Time to go get another Pepsi.

I guess I should ask... have you ever been to a Smithson Valley football game?

[farmerfan]

I guess I should ask... have you ever been to a Smithson Valley football game?

Yes I have. Saw a very hot mom in a navy ranger shirt and tight blue jeans. Made sitting behind her a very enjoyable experience.

[svhorns]

Yes I have. Saw a very hot mom in a navy ranger shirt and tight blue jeans. Made sitting behind her a very enjoyable experience.

lol. alright. Which game was it?

[farmerfan]

lol. alright. Which game was it?

Sorry. Had to go get some more Pepsi.
It was 2004 Southlake.

[ALLENFANDINGO5]

Sorry. Had to go get some more Pepsi.
It was 2004 Southlake.
Maybe you should go to decaf or maybe not?:)Just enjoying the bantering with Chick-Fil-a sweet tea myself.

[85Roughneck]

lol. alright. Which game was it?

farmerfan goes 'round again ... gotta love the farmerfan! :notworthy

... I wonder what he's mixin' with the pepsi ... hmmmm?

;):D

[farmerfan]

farmerfan goes 'round again ... gotta love the farmerfan! :notworthy

... I wonder what he's mixin' with the pepsi ... hmmmm?

;):D

just ice cubes :D;)

[SV61]

just ice cubes :D;)

What's in the ice cubes??

:D

[33Blood]

I had thought Larry Hill was a very good X's and O's coach up to the point he backed out on the job he accepted the day before it was made official.

[bobcat83]

I had thought Larry Hill was a very good X's and O's coach up to the point he backed out on the job he accepted the day before it was made official.

He's still a very good coach and wasn't the first nor will he be the last to do so.

[bobcat83]

Yes I have. Saw a very hot mom in a navy ranger shirt and tight blue jeans. Made sitting behind her a very enjoyable experience.

If that's the only game you saw then you should have been fairly impressed with them.
However they are the type of program that you have to see alot to really know how they play and how they win.You saw one of the more talented teams-specifically on defense with 3 guys starting at D1 schools now that are very succesful.
There are at least 3 schools in their own district that have alot more physical talent thanthey do each year.They win pure and simple because the buy into what Hill teaches-discipline and details.Very similiar to DW rytledges philosophy at Judson when he was their.Which goes back to Jim Wacker at TLU,SWT and TCU.
Be careful of those Mom's at the games-the dad's are not lurking far behind

[33Blood]

He's still a very good coach and wasn't the first nor will he be the last to do so.

No. But he was the first, last and only one to do it to us this year.

[farmerfan]

If that's the only game you saw then you should have been fairly impressed with them.
However they are the type of program that you have to see alot to really know how they play and how they win.You saw one of the more talented teams-specifically on defense with 3 guys starting at D1 schools now that are very succesful.
There are at least 3 schools in their own district that have alot more physical talent thanthey do each year.They win pure and simple because the buy into what Hill teaches-discipline and details.Very similiar to DW rytledges philosophy at Judson when he was their.Which goes back to Jim Wacker at TLU,SWT and TCU.
Be careful of those Mom's at the games-the dad's are not lurking far behind

So you're saying that they had talent on that defense. I thought if Coach Hill had just a little talent then he would be able to win a state championship. Interesting.
Nobody is dismissing him as a good coach, they are just saying some are getting carried away comparing him to others that have not only been to the dance but won the whole thing.
As far as the mom is concerned, I know better. Not afraid of the dads as much as the moms in those situations. :D

[SLC]

If that's the only game you saw then you should have been fairly impressed with them.
However they are the type of program that you have to see alot to really know how they play and how they win.You saw one of the more talented teams-specifically on defense with 3 guys starting at D1 schools now that are very succesful.
There are at least 3 schools in their own district that have alot more physical talent thanthey do each year.They win pure and simple because the buy into what Hill teaches-discipline and details.Very similiar to DW rytledges philosophy at Judson when he was their.Which goes back to Jim Wacker at TLU,SWT and TCU.
Be careful of those Mom's at the games-the dad's are not lurking far behind


Talent...At SV....Get outta here.

[bobcat83]

So you're saying that they had talent on that defense. I thought if Coach Hill had just a little talent then he would be able to win a state championship. Interesting.
Nobody is dismissing him as a good coach, they are just saying some are getting carried away comparing him to others that have not only been to the dance but won the whole thing.
As far as the mom is concerned, I know better. Not afraid of the dads as much as the moms in those situations. :D

Ya'll are are just like my ex-wife-gotta have the last word! Yes they had more "college" bound talent on D that year than any other year.But wasn't that the year that SLC were the unofficial National Champions?And a small town team Spring Branch,Texas almost pulled the upset of the decade!
Good call on the Mom's -they can be dangerous.

[dragonpants]

Coach Hill not even in the top 5 right now. Especially not above somebody like Coach Lineweaver. Same goes for Coach Chesser. Guys like Brain Brazil and Bryan Erwin are better than Coach Hill also to go along with John Outlaw.

1- Steve Lineweaver - has guided 3 different programs to a state title now, 2 of them as a HC

2 - Gary Joseph- once again, titles speak volume and he does have them despite playing in Houston.

3 - Brian Brazil - took over at Hebron after helping Lewisville win 2 state titles as a DC. Has turned Hebron into one of the best programs in the state and has also led them to a state title, not bad for a program who will be playing their 10th season this year.

4 - Brayn Erwin - has the titles and the resume of turning around programs like Italy and FM Marcus as well.

5 - John Outlaw - once again has the skins on the wall and the resume of what he did at programs like Sherman and out of state along with Lufkin.

I agree except #5, has there been a coach that has mishandled as much talent as John Outlaw?

Erwin is one of my favorites and I would add Joey Maguire at Cedar Hill to replace Outlaw.
Now if you want to add in 4A:
Joey Florence and Sam Harrell. I would take either of those two in a heartbeat.

[farmerfan]

Ya'll are are just like my ex-wife-gotta have the last word! Yes they had more "college" bound talent on D that year than any other year.But wasn't that the year that SLC were the unofficial National Champions?And a small town team Spring Branch,Texas almost pulled the upset of the decade!
Good call on the Mom's -they can be dangerous.

But we have been told that if Coach Hill had any talent at all to work with then he would win titles. Not our words but those of others. Sounds like he actually had talent to work with there though and no title to show for it.
As for small town team and all, I am pretty sure Southlake is not a huge town and they had already had 2 very close calls prior to SV. Abilene High and Lufkin both came within one possesion of beating the Dragons too that year.

[bobcat83]

No. But he was the first, last and only one to do it to us this year.

Not sure what the whole possibility of leaving thing was all about-quite honestly many were very suprised.But they must have offered him a bunch of money because he is already one of the highest paid.I'm sure Corsicana is a great job-great history.I wouldn't be happy either.

[farmerfan]

I agree except #5, has there been a coach that has mishandled as much talent as John Outlaw?

Erwin is one of my favorites and I would add Joey Maguire at Cedar Hill to replace Outlaw.
Now if you want to add in 4A:
Joey Florence and Sam Harrell. I would take either of those two in a heartbeat.

Both Joey's could have strong arguments for and I wont try to debate what those guys have done. Especially JoFlo. The turnarounds he is responsible for at both Cooper and Ryan are remarkable.

[bobcat83]

But we have been told that if Coach Hill had any talent at all to work with then he would win titles. Not our words but those of others. Sounds like he actually had talent to work with there though and no title to show for it.
As for small town team and all, I am pretty sure Southlake is not a huge town and they had already had 2 very close calls prior to SV. Abilene High and Lufkin both came within one possesion of beating the Dragons too that year.

You know full well what we are talking about! 2 of you claim to know as much about high school football as any on this board.I don't doubt it-with that said then you do fully understand.If we could sit down together and watch a practice and or a game I'm more than sure you would agree.Come on and just admit that the 2004 title game was a bit of a suprise to the SLC and North Texas faithful.A moral victory for SV-no.They still lost.

Question-Do you consider Bryan Dausin from Warren who own's a title with Roosevelt a better coach than Hill? He's very good and has been succesful at each stop but....

[rocketgrl94]

Wow just one reply about Rackley and that was a came close...i will nominate Rackley...Coach has heart he's a little animated sometimes...welll all the time:D but he'll get out there and argue with those refs throw down his hat and all that good stuff...and when he is interviewed he always he always has excitement in his voice...he may not have the most winningest:confused::D record but i think he's an all around great exciting coach

[farmerfan]

You know full well what we are talking about! 2 of you claim to know as much about high school football as any on this board.I don't doubt it-with that said then you do fully understand.If we could sit down together and watch a practice and or a game I'm more than sure you would agree.Come on and just admit that the 2004 title game was a bit of a suprise to the SLC and North Texas faithful.A moral victory for SV-no.They still lost.

Question-Do you consider Bryan Dausin from Warren who own's a title with Roosevelt a better coach than Hill? He's very good and has been succesful at each stop but....

It wasn't as much of a shock as you all may think, as I pointed out earlier, Abilene High was about 10 yards away from beating the Dragons, LP was close too. SV came in and played well but Carroll was able to pull out the win in a very well played football game by both teams.
I think you have seen both SLC and I put Hill pretty high we just dont think he has done enough to be considered better than guys such as, Lineweaver, Brazil, Erwin, JoFlo, McGwire and others who people so instantly think win on talent alone. As far as Dausin is concerned he is a good one and his game plan for FMM back in the 95 title game is one of the better defensive game plans this state has ever seen. I think given the circumstances of the two that you could make an argument for Dausin over Hill.
Question for you now, do you consider Hill a better coach than a Brain Brazil, Steve Lineweaver and or Eddie Peach?

[dragonpants]

It wasn't as much of a shock as you all may think, as I pointed out earlier, Abilene High was about 10 yards away from beating the Dragons, LP was close too. SV came in and played well but Carroll was able to pull out the win in a very well played football game by both teams.
I think you have seen both SLC and I put Hill pretty high we just dont think he has done enough to be considered better than guys such as, Lineweaver, Brazil, Erwin, JoFlo, McGwire and others who people so instantly think win on talent alone. As far as Dausin is concerned he is a good one and his game plan for FMM back in the 95 title game is one of the better defensive game plans this state has ever seen. I think given the circumstances of the two that you could make an argument for Dausin over Hill.
Question for you now, do you consider Hill a better coach than a Brain Brazil, Steve Lineweaver and or Eddie Peach?

Eddie Peach, mentioning him or his son in the same sentence is an insult to Brazil or Lineweaver.

[farmerfan]

Eddie Peach, mentioning him or his son in the same sentence is an insult to Brazil or Lineweaver.

Father Eddie is ok.
Now, as I said earlier, I will keep my comments on Sean all to myself.

[dragonpants]

Father Eddie is ok.
Now, as I said earlier, I will keep my comments on Sean all to myself.

Scott? He is beloved by all Dragon Nation.....:mad::Censor::Censor:

[farmerfan]

Scott? He is beloved by all Dragon Nation.....:mad::Censor::Censor:

Scott. Yeah thats what I mean. Not sean. Stupid brainfart.

That guy definitely deserves to D.I.A.F

[SLC]

Eddie Peach, mentioning him or his son in the same sentence is an insult to Brazil or Lineweaver.



Eddie is one of the best coaches in this state...And isnt far from taking his place as one of the best ever...a title would cement it. He is by faar the best to never win a title.

[svhorns]

Eddie is one of the best coaches in this state...And isnt far from taking his place as one of the best ever...a title would cement it. He is by faar the best to never win a title.

How long has Eddie Peach been a coach?

[SLC]

How long has Eddie Peach been a coach?

Since Arlington Lamar opened their doors.

[svhorns]

Since Arlington Lamar opened their doors.

So he's been coaching since the 70's and has made it to the state finals once... and on two other occasions he's made it to the state semi's... lol. ok.

[dragonpants]

So he's been coaching since the 70's and has made it to the state finals once... and on two other occasions he's made it to the state semi's... lol. ok.

Exactly....not a great coach. A guy who has been able to hang in long enough to get a bunch of wins, period. Took him a very very very very long time and you know about the apple and the tree, well the apple is rotten and a tool.

[SLC]

So he's been coaching since the 70's and has made it to the state finals once... and on two other occasions he's made it to the state semi's... lol. ok.


Since '71.

Peach at Lamar has had...

30 winning seasons.
Only 4 losing seasons.
3 times they were .500
15 consecutive winning seasons- 1986-2000
1 consecutive losing season on 4 occaisions- 1971,1984,2001,2005
He is 304-118-6 all time.
Has a .721 winning percentage.

all of this in the toughest region and area in the state.

[33Blood]

Eddie Peach has had a good career. But he is far from one of the all time greats. He is a lot like Denbow was in Corsicana. To hear everyone here reminisce He was one of the all time greats. But Jim Acree and Tom Wilson both took their teams as far or further in less years with a higher winning percentage. Putting good teams on the field for a long time is nice and admirable but doesn't measure up to the great coaches.

[svhorns]

Since '71.

Peach at Lamar has had...

30 winning seasons.
Only 4 losing seasons.
3 times they were .500
15 consecutive winning seasons- 1986-2000
1 consecutive losing season on 4 occaisions- 1971,1984,2001,2005
He is 304-118-6 all time.
Has a .721 winning percentage.

Coach Hill has had...

14 winning seasons
0 losing seasons
1 time we were .500 (1995)
13 consecutive winning seasons (1996-Present)
165-36 at SV
3 state final appearances
5 state semi final appearances
Did I mention he's only 48 years of age.

[farmerfan]

Since '71.

Peach at Lamar has had...

30 winning seasons.
Only 4 losing seasons.
3 times they were .500
15 consecutive winning seasons- 1986-2000
1 consecutive losing season on 4 occaisions- 1971,1984,2001,2005
He is 304-118-6 all time.
Has a .721 winning percentage.

all of this in the toughest region and area in the state.

Dont forget he was doing this in a multiple school town too where all his talented players were spread out across the other schools inthe city too. Also how many true feeders did he have to work with I wonder thus not having kids learns his system until they reached the high school ranks,. ;)

[farmerfan]

Coach Hill has had...

14 winning seasons
0 losing seasons
1 time we were .500 (1995)
13 consecutive winning seasons (1996-Present)
165-36 at SV
3 state final appearances
5 state semi final appearances
Did I mention he's only 48 years of age.

Coaching in D-FW and region 1 much tougher than coaching in San Antonio and Region 4 though. :eek:

[svhorns]

Coaching in D-FW and region 1 much tougher than coaching in San Antonio and Region 4 though. :eek:

twist it any way you'd like farmer... but one state title appearance in almost 40 years isn't what I would call being the best without a title. We've played the likes of Pflugerville, RR Westwood, Nederland, Austin Reagan, Stephenville(who we beat 42-13), Andrews, La Marque.

[SLC]

Coach Hill has had...

14 winning seasons
0 losing seasons
1 time we were .500 (1995)
13 consecutive winning seasons (1996-Present)
165-36 at SV
3 state final appearances
5 state semi final appearances
Did I mention he's only 48 years of age.

Actually he was 1-9 in 1993...So thats one losing season.

[svhorns]

Actually he was 1-9 in 1993...So thats one losing season.

You're right... I thought he started in 1994 but it was 1993. So add a win and 9 loses to those stats.

[farmerfan]

twist it any way you'd like farmer... but one state title appearance in almost 40 years isn't what I would call being the best without a title. We've played the likes of Pflugerville, RR Westwood, Nederland, Austin Reagan, Stephenville(who we beat 42-13), Andrews, La Marque.

What's there to twist?
Its simple, you guy have a much easier road down there in SA and that cant be denied than what Coach Peach has had up here.
As for beating Stephenville 42-13, congrats, what it get ya?
Give Peach the road that SV and others down there get and he would have had at least 4 other teams who would have advanced to the state championship game and numerous more to the semis.

[svhorns]

What's there to twist?
Its simple, you guy have a much easier road down there in SA and that cant be denied than what Coach Peach has had up here.
As for beating Stephenville 42-13, congrats, what it get ya?
Give Peach the road that SV and others down there get and he would have had at least 4 other teams who would have advanced to the state championship game and numerous more to the semis.

1 state final in 40 years ... lol... keep it coming. You guys are reaching now... I mean reallllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyy reaching.

[slcdragonfan]

1 state final in 40 years ... lol... keep it coming. You guys are reaching now... I mean reallllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyy reaching.

I'm gonna have to fall down on the side of Hill over Peach on this one.

But, on the other hand, traffic is much worse in Dallas than in Houston, San Antonio, OR Austin, with Austin coming in a close second. Unless you are travelling I45 in Houston, or Beltway 8 in rush hour. (just want to see if we can argue about something else for a brief respite).

[CoveMom]

Not gonna read the whole thing, but is Gary Gaines on any of these lists??? Since he's back in the coaching bidness and all. jus' sayin'



:D

[slcdragonfan]

Not gonna read the whole thing, but is Gary Gaines on any of these lists??? Since he's back in the coaching bidness and all. jus' sayin'



:D

If he isn't from the Metroplex you can count him out.:)

[CoveMom]

If he isn't from the Metroplex you can count him out.:)

Permian. The Once and Future Dynasty. Write it down. ;)

[Live4turf]

Ok, I have skimmed / read all 9 pages of this post. Some is quite amusing and some quite insightful. But what I think is quite humerous is all the talk about Austin Westlake and Allman... Allman is the man... He is supposedly one of the highest coaches in the state and I have yet to see his name on the list! LOL :laugh :laugh :laugh

Do not mistake that comment as a vote for him, just a statement that he is not listed and I am quite amused after all the attention he recently drew. Did (will) Westlake really get what they paid for? :rolleyes:

[SLC]

Not gonna read the whole thing, but is Gary Gaines on any of these lists??? Since he's back in the coaching bidness and all. jus' sayin'



:D


7 winning seasons and 9 losing seasons in his career. He, like a few others that have been mentioned on this list, was handed the keys to an established program at Permian. So no, he is not close to the others who have accomplished more.

[33Blood]

What Jerry Vance has done with the mess he took over after Hal Wasson has been simply amazing and should garner some votes. He was .500 the first year and hasn't won less than 10 games since. My favorite part is that it came without the spread.

[SLC]

What Jerry Vance has done with the mess he took over after Hal Wasson has been simply amazing and should garner some votes. He was .500 the first year and hasn't won less than 10 games since. My favorite part is that it came without the spread.



I agree what Vance has done is absolutely outstanding and he is a very very good coach. Though I wouldn't be quick to blaim Wasson at all, considering Wasson took a bad team over from Mark Cox, who took a bad team over from Wade Johnston, who took an average team over from Charlie Braun. Now you can certainly say Hal didnt help the situation, but he only had 2 seasons there.

[33Blood]

I wasn't blaming Wasson for it being bad since it had been for a long time. But you are correct in that he didn't turn it around. Vance won 10 games his second season. The only problem with Vance is that he got a late start as a head coach. So he won't be an all time win candidate.

[bobcat83]

It wasn't as much of a shock as you all may think, as I pointed out earlier, Abilene High was about 10 yards away from beating the Dragons, LP was close too. SV came in and played well but Carroll was able to pull out the win in a very well played football game by both teams.
I think you have seen both SLC and I put Hill pretty high we just dont think he has done enough to be considered better than guys such as, Lineweaver, Brazil, Erwin, JoFlo, McGwire and others who people so instantly think win on talent alone. As far as Dausin is concerned he is a good one and his game plan for FMM back in the 95 title game is one of the better defensive game plans this state has ever seen. I think given the circumstances of the two that you could make an argument for Dausin over Hill.
Question for you now, do you consider Hill a better coach than a Brain Brazil, Steve Lineweaver and or Eddie Peach?

First- I think he is better than Dausin for several reasons and I have known Bryan for 25 years.Yes his defnsive gameplan for the state game was great.They should have realized he played for the Houston Gamblers and had seen a pass happy offense at it's best under Mouse Davis! We are both graduates of Roosevelt.
Brazil-don't know enough to comment
Peach-reminds me of Jim Streety at SA Madison both HS Icons but their assitents do most of the heavy work.Both deserve all the respect in the world.But today Hill is better and has been for the last 10 years.
Lineweaver-The championships put him above Hill. He has proven to be able to not only coach X's and O's but to bring together a community and get the kids to buy into his program with everything they have.
I still say Hill is top 5(In 5A) without a championship.

[SLC]

I wasn't blaming Wasson for it being bad since it had been for a long time. But you are correct in that he didn't turn it around. Vance won 10 games his second season. The only problem with Vance is that he got a late start as a head coach. So he won't be an all time win candidate.


If he continues the direction the Panthers are going, he will be on the all time list in about 10 more seasons. And nobody has found a way to stop that wing T he runs there.

[33Blood]

If he continues the direction the Panthers are going, he will be on the all time list in about 10 more seasons. And nobody has found a way to stop that wing T he runs there.


He has the greatest ground game going. I love a team that doesn't throw the ball 50 times in a season. But without some major advances in health care I don't think he can catch GA.

[SLC]

He has the greatest ground game going. I love a team that doesn't throw the ball 50 times in a season. But without some major advances in health care I don't think he can catch GA.


Oh no..He wont catch Moore at all or Gordon Wood (who also ran the wing T) and I doubt he catches Phil Danaher or Eddie Peach either.

Which reminds me..I freakin forgot to mention Danaher...He is up there as tops in the state.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

All classes...

1. G.A. Moore - Aubrey
2. Sam Harrell - Ennis
3. Steve Lineweaver - Trinity
4. Butch Ford - Celina
5. Gary Joseph - Katy


Just 5A...

1. Steve Lineweaver - Trinity
2. Gary Joseph - Katy
3. David Aymond - North Shore
4. John Outlaw - Lufkin
5. Larry Hill - Smithson Valley


*Note*- Everyone on those lists above have at least 1 state title, except Larry Hill.


Others who are close...

Brian Brazil - Hebron
Brian Erwin - FM Marcus
Barry Norton - Texarkana
Chad Morris - Lake Travis
John King - Longview
Randy Allen - Highland Park
Joey Florence - Denton Ryan
Joey McGuire - Cedar Hill
Jack Welch - Copperas Cove
Jim Rackey - Converse Judson
Eddie Peach - Arlington Lamar
Dale Keeling - Everman

Dale Keeling!:notworthy His Everman teams are, 8 to 9 times out of 10, smaller than their opponents across the board, including his 3A state champion teams. Now, in return, they're ALWAYS fast! The system that he runs (wing-I) has given the 'Dogs some major success. But, the lack of size has caught up with Everman late in the playoffs the past few years.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

My list goes;

1. G.A. Moore-Aubrey; I'm being biased with this one cause, he just happens to be a personal favorite of mine, not to mention, he has some serious numbers.

2. Steve Lineweaver-Euless Trinity; Dude has won at EVERY stop. Also, he made the jump from 3A, to 5A, and had instant success.

3. Gary Joseph-Katy; With the exception of a few guys, Katy hasn't had the athletes that Hightower, North Shore, Pearland, Westfield, and quite a few other programs in the state have. But, for some reason, they've been the last one standing 3 times in the past 5 years, with another one of those years where they lost to great Carroll team in the 2005 state finals.

4. Tom Westerburg-Allen; If the Eagles don't run into Carroll those few times, then they MIGHT have more than one title this decade.

5A. Butch Ford-Celina; The Bobcats went from 2A, to 3A, back to 2A, and back to 3A, and has been one of the best programs in the state, due to them being led by Coach Ford. It had to be hard taking over a program like Celina, especially after they were coached by G.A. Moore. But, as we can all see, Coach Ford has stepped up to the plate, and won titles in 2 different classes.

5B. Gary Gaines-Odessa Permian:D; Now, I know that Coach Gaines just got back last week but, this list is also for "current" head coaches. And, he is currently the head coach at Permian. LOL! The Permian teams that he coached in the 80s weren't as athletic as quite a few of their opponents but, they always had a ton of heart. His '88 and '89 teams were machines that beat up, and embarrased Rodrick Walker-led Irving Nimitz, and All American Henry Ford-led Trimble Tech. Gaines is one of the best to ever do it!

Others;

Phil Danaher-Corpus Christi Calallen
Sam Harrell-Ennis
Allen Wilson-Dallas Carter
Larry Hill-Smithson Valley
Thomas Brooks-Jasper
Bryan Erwin-Flower Mound Marcus
Tim Buchanan-Aledo
Jim Streety-San Antonio Madison
John Outlaw-Lufkin
David Aymond-Galena Park North Shore
Terry Cron-Mansfield Timberview
Eddy Peach-Arlington Lamar
JG Cartwright-Boyd

[SLC93]

1a. Coach Joseph (Katy)
1b. Coach L. Hill (SV)
2. Coach Chesser (Stony Point)
3. Coach Lineweaver (Trinity)

Simply state you cannot compile a list of the best of anything and include on it people, places or things that have failed to win something indicating they are the best. Apologies to Hill and Chesser but their inclusion on this list is a slap in the face to every coach out there who has made it to the top of the mountain and planted their flag, not gotten knocked off. Any rational used to say this isn't the case in excuse based and jealousy driven, period. This is not a reflection of the man, the person it is a validation of the seriousness with which you must approach making a best of list. Wake up.

[SLC93]

I've got to put Kenny Perry in the honorable mention. The skin's on the way and no one wants to hear it's because Arlington Bowie has all this talent. KP is the real deal.

Perry is well on his way but it is early still and he does need to continue getting those playoff wins and work his way to a title. What he's done a Bowie is nothing short of amazing. He'll get there.

[SLC93]

Gary Joseph and Larry Hill both would have already won multple state championships had they been coaching at Bowie. So in that regards you better not even put Perry in the same breath as those two.

Especially that Hill character.;)

[SLC93]

count me as a big eddie peach fan who wishes (probably won't happen) that he could go out with at least one skin on the wall. If he does that he is one of the all time legends of texas football. Some of those 1990s lamar teams were absolutely sick and should have walked away with all of the marbles.

+1

[SLC93]

I disagree. The ultimate goal of every team at the beginning of the year is a state title, no? Therefore it makes a lot of sense to me to make a skin on the wall a prerequisite for "best coach" status. Especially when you start looking at coaches that have done it at multiple stops, multiple classifications, different areas of the state. You can't just walk into multiple state titles that way....

The bird is the word. Thank you.:cool:

[SLC93]

When did Celina move down towards Houston?
Carroll?
Don't think Katy has done enough even with the back to back to say they are ahead of Carroll. So I fail to see where you are coming from with this so called best program in the state being in Houston and not DFW. :confused:

:D
Carroll 7 > Katy
Celina 8 > Katy

This is also true because both of these programs are still winning and relevant. We're not claiming 7 titles won 45 years ago. Katy is probably next on this list and coming on strong but the best? Not just yet.

[footballdad38]

Permian. The Once and Future Dynasty. Write it down. ;)

Give it a break. Permian will never be the same that it was in the '80s.

[footballdad38]

I don't know him personally but it seems to be that Jeff Dicus should be somewhere near the top of the list. Wouldn't the definition of a great coach be somebody that comes in and turns a program around? He has done that at Mission, Texas City, Lake Travis and now Duncanville. Taking 0-fer teams and turning them into state champions is a helluva lot harder than staying at the same place for 30 years and winning again and again.

[SLC93]

Carol? They had a great run, but i dont see them getting back to the status they one were. I see them slowly declining.

Basically Katy been in the elite status since 97' and is still in it and dont see them slowing down till Joseph is gone. ( He aint leavin any time soon)

Oh and Celina, you got me there. But hopefully we can catch them. We caught up a title this year.

You realize that Carroll is the winningest program in this state for the better part of 3 decaded, right? So much so that our 4A years are considered an "embarrassment" because we only won 66% of our games and two region titles. Even this "downturn" has us at 19-5 with a district title and two playoff appearances. Get a grip on yourself.

[SLC93]

I think of it in eras.

The slc in the 80's and 90's is a different program then it is today. The Katy program has been the same since the 80's. They havent fell and hod to rebuild there program. And i dont see them falling until joseph leaves.

Again, if you consider falling winning at a 66% clip and winning your region twice. Within our community we were not satisfied and knew this performance was beneath our standards. There were more factors at play than you could possibly imagine. We made a bold move and it paid off. Perspective.

[SLC93]

Your post is a good illustration as to what guys like me and Flee defend against ... of the 5 teams you list only one is from the GHA ... this is what we're hollerin' atcha ... Katy is alone for the most part and holds off the DFW and all others by itself. One might say that Katy is an anomoly of sorts. Not me of course ;). I wouldn't say that, but someone from the DFW may.

No one can dispute that Collin County is King ... I agree, the numbers are irrefutable. But as Flee has shown before, Katy by itself has a good record against the DFW and Collin County fans have agreed to this notion in this and other threads as well.

Which may be an affirmation of their greatness but your own words serve as admission to the competition levels in your neck of the woods.

[SLC93]

What status has left us?....Two top of the line QB's had their seasons ended, which in turn had us lose games....Thats it. Was Katy in the elite staus mode when they failed to win a title from '04-'06?...3 seasons...Carroll has yet to lose 3 regular season games this decade in 5A and never took the butt whoping that The Woodlands put on Katy.

If we can end our seasons without suffering major injuries, then I think you will see first hand that Carroll is still here...Cant wait...Come on up to the DFW and get it this fall.

:cool:

[SLC93]

You two are too predictable... I had a feeling this would turn into a D F DUB suck fest... It's too bad we can't get any knowledgeable posters from the Dallas area who know football outside of their own area... notice I named coaches from three different geographical regions... because I've seen all three in action... but it seems the consensus agree that Coach Joseph and Coach Hill are the top two in the state... but I already knew that.

Can you read? I've seen nothing but confirmation that most think Hill is an excellent coach but cannot be atop this list until he gets a title. Joseph, yes. Hill, not yet.

[SLC93]

FIFY and you named two coaches that I'm not familiar with... The Coaches from Everman and Marcus... both of which happened to be from... surprise surprise... The Dallas area...

One of which came from ... hello? .... La Marque .... Myth busted!

[SLC93]

Hmmm, I wonder where Coach Erwin at Marcus coached before he came to Marcus? hmmmm...LaMarque? Where is that now, I forget?
===================
Bryan P. Erwin - In his thirteen years as a head football coach, Coach Erwin has amassed a 131-38 record. Erwin’s teams have averaged ten wins per season for thirteen years! He has been in the state playoffs 12 out of 13 years. Coach Erwin has led his teams to the state quarterfinal game 6 times, the state semi-final game 3 times, and has won two State Championships.

Coach Erwin received his Master of Education and Bachelor of Science, with honors, from the University of Texas at Austin. He worked as a student assistant football coach with the Longhorns during his undergraduate studies. He continued with the Longhorns for two more years as a graduate assistant, while earning his Master’s Degree. In 1993 Coach Erwin moved to SMU where he worked as a graduate assistant for one year before entering public education at Nimitz High School in Irving in 1994.

Coach Erwin became Athletic Director & Head Football Coach at Italy High School in 1995. While at Italy, Coach Erwin had a very successful 35-5 record in three seasons. In 1997, his last season at Italy, his team was 14-1 and a State Semi-Finalist.

Erwin went to Hillsboro High School in 1998 as Head Football Coach. Hillsboro made the playoffs three years in a row and won its first Bi-District Championship in 46 years under Coach Erwin.

Coach Erwin became the Head Football Coach at La Marque High School in April 2002. Erwin compiled a record of 65-8 in five seasons at La Marque. In 2003, the La Marque Cougars were the 4A Division II State Champions and had a perfect 16-0 record. In 2006, the La Marque Cougars won the 4A Division II State Championship with a 15-1 record. Erwin finished his tenure at La Marque High School with the highest winning percentage in school history.

On February 1, 2007, Erwin was named the third Head Football Coach in Flower Mound Marcus High School history. In his first year, Coach Erwin led the Marauders to a remarkable turnaround as his team posted a 9-3 record and a Bi-District Championship.

Coach Erwin has received the following honors: All Greater Houston Coach of the Year (2003 & 2006), Houston Texans Coach of the Year (2003 & 2006), Galveston County Coach of the Year (2002, 2003, 2006), eight time District Coach of the Year, Fox Sports Coach that Makes a Difference, three time finalist for the Houston Touchdown Club Coach of the Year Award, and numerous other Coach of the Week honors.
====
as SLC says, next?


Simply destroyed the kid with this.:D

[SLC93]

La Marque... that school is one of the most athletic schools in the nation... as svhorns says... next

That wasnt your arguement and even if it was, Erwin has succeeded at a high level at everyone of his diverse stops. You were arguing he's another dfw coach. You got served.

[footballdad38]

You realize that Carroll is the winningest program in this state for the better part of 3 decaded, right? So much so that our 4A years are considered an "embarrassment" because we only won 66% of our games and two region titles. Even this "downturn" has us at 19-5 with a district title and two playoff appearances. Get a grip on yourself.


What does that have to do with this thread? A waterhead could coach SLC and make it to the playoffs every year!

[SLC93]

Lineweaver>all others.......................PERIOD!

People don't realize that as Trinity's soph coach between 1980 and 1990 he lost one game as head "soph" coach. With John Reddell (a hall of famer) intrenched he had to move on to furher his legacy. Someone had made a statement about loyalty that kinda got my goat.

This is a man I love and respect. He is a football mastermind and a GREAT human being. The kid's he deals with on a daily basis could go either way on the LIFE track. He has a way of steering them in the RIGHT direction. This is what a high school coach IS. His wins and losses are secondary compared to this.

There are, and have been alot of great ones, but nobody will EVER be able to convince me of one greater than Coach Lineweaver.:notworthy

A few of those years he was winning titles with Carroll but I agree with you 100%. Lineweaver is the greatest educator of young men we have walking a sideline anywhere in our state. He has proven to be the greatest program builder in the recent history of our state. He also happens to be one of the greatest winners in the history of our state. That's the trifecta. Nobody hits in all areas of criteria like Line does, period. It is not even close.


- ps- The scary thing is he's better in a dugout than on a sideline.

[SLC93]

NS is very similar to Lufkin. It's the quality of their athletes and not necessarily the coaching that defines their success.

While I agree with the fan formerly known as dad this is a bold statement.:notworthy

[33Blood]

That wasnt your arguement and even if it was, Erwin has succeeded at a high level at everyone of his diverse stops. You were arguing he's another dfw coach. You got served.

Erwin is from Hillsboro. He has coached a few places but he is from there.

[footballdad38]

A few of those years he was winning titles with Carroll but I agree with you 100%. Lineweaver is the greatest educator of young men we have walking a sideline anywhere in our state. He has proven to be the greatest program builder in the recent history of our state. He also happens to be one of the greatest winners in the history of our state. That's the trifecta. Nobody hits in all areas of criteria like Line does, period. It is not even close.


- ps- The scary thing is he's better in a dugout than on a sideline.


Another overrated coach. Even Obama could win at Euless Trinity!

[33Blood]

Another overrated coach. Even Obama could win at Euless Trinity!

And Commerce?

[SLC93]

He's a good coach, he's just not among the top two in Texas. There are far too many coaches with multiple championships out there to put a coach that high up who hasn't brought one home yet.

Again, this is the core reason why he cannot be included. There is no bias. It's not about north, south, talent or anything other than his failure to win a title, yet.

[footballdad38]

And Commerce?


Same thing as Trinity...back then. Now, all the athletes have moved out of Commerce. Take the athletes out of Euless and let's see how he does.

[SLC93]

What's in the ice cubes??

:D

That's a fair question. :D

[SLC93]

I agree except #5, has there been a coach that has mishandled as much talent as John Outlaw?

Erwin is one of my favorites and I would add Joey Maguire at Cedar Hill to replace Outlaw.
Now if you want to add in 4A:
[Joey Florence and Sam Harrell. I would take either of those two in a heartbeat.

No but the coach from North Shore is awful close, imo.

Love the guys you mentioned. Either one of the two bolded should be on our sideline right now.

[33Blood]

Same thing as Trinity...back then. Now, all the athletes have moved out of Commerce. Take the athletes out of Euless and let's see how he does.

So Commerce had only won 10 games or more before Lineweaver once in 30+ years, Lineweaver went to the playoffs every year, won it all and since leaving they have only had 2 good seasons. Those were the ones immediately following his departure. So for about 9 years Commerce was loaded with talent. That is a strange migration pattern.

[SLC93]

What does that have to do with this thread? A waterhead could coach SLC and make it to the playoffs every year!

Specific response to a specific post, Try and keep up with the context.

[SLC93]

Erwin is from Hillsboro. He has coached a few places but he is from there.

Still a little south of the DFW but the point is he won titles at La Marque before coming here.

[SLC93]

Another overrated coach. Even Obama could win at Euless Trinity!

Another under educated post. If this were true why did they have only one title game appearance and no titles prior to Lineweaver? At no point in their history have they been anywhere near as consistently successful as they are now. That is no slap in the face to the teams of the 80's and early 90's. It is a mere look at how their seasons fluctuated between very good and average with a complete lack of true greatness prior to Lineweaver taking over. If anyone could do it why didn't they?:cool:

[SLC93]

And Commerce?

We won our first regional and state titles after bring him on board to run the offense and the offseason programs, too.

[SLC93]

Same thing as Trinity...back then. Now, all the athletes have moved out of Commerce. Take the athletes out of Euless and let's see how he does.

Please, please, please, please go back and look at their performance preLineweaver. They were first round fodder and second round sheet before him, if they even made the playoffs. I know because, with lineweaver, we personally kicked their *** twice by a combined margin of nearly 70 points. They were up and down, at best, had never been to or won a title before him. Were it not for some historic Sealy teams this so called debate wouldn't even be open for discussion.

[33Blood]

Another under educated post. If this were true why did they have only one title game appearance and no titles prior to Lineweaver? At no point in their history have they been anywhere near as consistently successful as they are now. That is no slap in the face to the teams of the 80's and early 90's. It is a mere look at how their seasons fluctuated between very good and average with a complete lack of true greatness prior to Lineweaver taking over. If anyone could do it why didn't they?:cool:

Very true. Hickman and Reddell both had some good years with bad years thrown in here and there. Lineweaver has had nothing but playoff years.

[SLC93]

So Commerce had only won 10 games or more before Lineweaver once in 30+ years, Lineweaver went to the playoffs every year, won it all and since leaving they have only had 2 good seasons. Those were the ones immediately following his departure. So for about 9 years Commerce was loaded with talent. That is a strange migration pattern.

Guess he was just the luckiest guy ever around those parts, huh?;)

[SLC93]

Very true. Hickman and Reddell both had some good years with bad years thrown in here and there. Lineweaver has had nothing but playoff years.

I'm not sure but I think he's qualified for the playoffs every year he's been an hc. Add to that the years he was at Carroll and I think he probably has the longest active playoff streak in recent history at 22 years. If someone can verify all of the commerce years I know he never failed to qualify at Carroll and Trinity.

[33Blood]

I'm not sure but I think he's qualified for the playoffs every year he's been an hc. Add to that the years he was at Carroll and I think he probably has the longest active playoff streak in recent history at 22 years. If someone can verify all of the commerce years I know he never failed to qualify at Carroll and Trinity.

He played less than 13 games at commerce only once and that was 12. So that's not only making the playoffs that's going somewhere.

[85Roughneck]

I'm gonna have to fall down on the side of Hill over Peach on this one.

But, on the other hand, traffic is much worse in Dallas than in Houston, San Antonio, OR Austin, with Austin coming in a close second. Unless you are travelling I45 in Houston, or Beltway 8 in rush hour. (just want to see if we can argue about something else for a brief respite).

I'll take the bait ... there is no way in hell that Htown has worse traffic than Dallas. DALLAS traffic SUX so hard it's pulling the moon closer to earth !!!

:D

[SLC93]

He played less than 13 games at commerce only once and that was 12. So that's not only making the playoffs that's going somewhere.

So wins, titles & program builds aside we have to ask this question. Is there another coach who has made the playoffs every year since 1986? Granted his years at Carroll were as a corrdinator but, make no mistake, he was the heart and soul of those teams. I was there. 22 consecutive years in the po's. End of discussion.

[SLC93]

I'll take the bait ... there is no way in hell that Htown has worse traffic than Dallas. DALLAS traffic SUX so hard it's pulling the moon closer to earth !!!

:D

Indeed but Houston drivers, as a whole, are barely qualified to drive my riding lawn mower. I'll stay safe in my standstill. You may die in yours.:D

[85Roughneck]

Which may be an affirmation of their greatness but your own words serve as admission to the competition levels in your neck of the woods.

OK I get that ... but you fellas up there should admit that Katy handles themselves very well against all comers from the north. That is our point. Katy handles all comers from the north very well not Houston handles all comers from the north.

Most of you guys are Katy fans to some degree just like most Katy fans are SLC fans to some degree. Both programs respect one another. I personally stay fairly quiet on this topic until I see someone trashing Katy and saying that all things related to high school football suck in the southern part of the state. I understand that most of the time it is said just to get a rise out of guys like Flee and I, but then there are a few that take it a bit too far and that's when the tempers and threads get a bit hot.

but hey, it's all good 93 ... we're all just a bunch of fans sharing opinions and that's what we're supposed to do. ;):D

[SLC93]

OK I get that ... but you fellas up there should admit that Katy handles themselves very well against all comers from the north. That is our point. Katy handles all comers from the north very well not Houston handles all comers from the north.

Most of you guys are Katy fans to some degree just like most Katy fans are SLC fans to some degree. Both programs respect one another. I personally stay fairly quiet on this topic until I see someone trashing Katy and saying that all things related to high school football suck in the southern part of the state. I understand that most of the time it is said just to get a rise out of guys like Flee and I, but then there are a few that take it a bit too far and that's when the tempers and threads get a bit hot.

but hey, it's all good 93 ... we're all just a bunch of fans sharing opinions and that's what we're supposed to do. ;):D

I make no bones about it. I love the Katy program. It does get tough sometimes trying to make some of these points. Written word doesn't always communicate true meaning or intent. It's all good. Most of us stick around for the next argument anyway.

-ps- Thanks again for sending The Johnson family, including young Dane, our way back in the day. We sure did appreciate it. :D

[shelby]

This thread needs to be renamed...Best Head Coaches in the State That Everybody Has Heard Of.

There are a lot of great coaches in this state. I know some assistants that are probably better coaches than a lot of HC's.

Just my .02.

[slcdragonfan]

I'll take the bait ... there is no way in hell that Htown has worse traffic than Dallas. DALLAS traffic SUX so hard it's pulling the moon closer to earth !!!

:D

...knew somebody would. :D Now, here's the issue, 45 North (northbound) on Friday afternoon. Or 45 South (northbound from Galveston) on Sunday evening.

But in fact, I agree with you. Dallas traffic is worse because our roads make no sense. Houston had Bush Sr. take care of them traffic-wise with the 59 rebuild that occurred in the early 90's. HOWEVER, 59 outbound south used to be ridiculous.

However, I really can't say much, I work from home (same as 'didn't see the game').;)

[slcdragonfan]

OK I get that ... but you fellas up there should admit that Katy handles themselves very well against all comers from the north. That is our point. Katy handles all comers from the north very well not Houston handles all comers from the north.

Most of you guys are Katy fans to some degree just like most Katy fans are SLC fans to some degree. Both programs respect one another. I personally stay fairly quiet on this topic until I see someone trashing Katy and saying that all things related to high school football suck in the southern part of the state. I understand that most of the time it is said just to get a rise out of guys like Flee and I, but then there are a few that take it a bit too far and that's when the tempers and threads get a bit hot.

but hey, it's all good 93 ... we're all just a bunch of fans sharing opinions and that's what we're supposed to do. ;):D

No doubt Katy is one of the top 3 programs in the state. we can start arguing about who belongs in what position (AGAIN) if you want. Me, I pick Carroll, Katy, Trinity, the rest.;)

[SLC93]

This thread needs to be renamed...Best Head Coaches in the State That Everybody Has Heard Of.

There are a lot of great coaches in this state. I know some assistants that are probably better coaches than a lot of HC's.

Just my .02.

Possibly true but they need to prove that first which takes becoming a hc. Then they have to have some years to get some wins. After that, to be the best of the best, you have to win a title. That is what validates elite coaches. If you do that then, of course, people will know you name. So your point isn't really much of one, really.

[shelby]

Possibly true but they need to prove that first which takes becoming a hc. Then they have to have some years to get some wins. After that, to be the best of the best, you have to win a title. That is what validates elite coaches. If you do that then, of course, people will know you name. So your point isn't really much of one, really.


Some coaches are not interested in becoming HC's. I am not one of them but I do know some very good coaches that have no interest in all that goes with being a HC. Some may not want the spotlight. Others just want to deal with the game and the kids.

So I do have a point. You state as much in your opening line when you write 'possibly true'. As do you and all the others that post on here. Mine just differs from yours.

I will say that all the HC's that have been named are all accomplished coaches and leaders.

[33Blood]

To me, for a coach to make the list of best coaches, he has to have taken over somewhere that was not winning, turn them around, win for an extended period of time and have won it all. Taking over a powerhouse and keeping it up is nice. Taking over a loser and making them good year in and year out is nice. But neither of those are great.

Vance, Lineweaver, GA Moore, Allen Wilson and Bryan Erwin have all met the requirments. There are others but that is my short list.

[Bill4par]

Since I do not know any of these guys personally, I will just go from what I have seen over several years.....
1- Allen : Constant pressure on defense's
2- Wylie coach - I like his philosophy
3- Plano - Although last Yr was his first as HC, he is a great motivator
4- RRSTP coach - Great play caller
5- Cedar hill - never seen them play but heard he is a great coach
6- Katy - same thing

Obviously there are many many more but these came to mind first. oops, I forgot Lineweaver over at Trinity. Great guy, lots of class and he deserves to be mentioned as well.

[SLC93]

Some coaches are not interested in becoming HC's. I am not one of them but I do know some very good coaches that have no interest in all that goes with being a HC. Some may not want the spotlight. Others just want to deal with the game and the kids.

So I do have a point. You state as much in your opening line when you write 'possibly true'. As do you and all the others that post on here. Mine just differs from yours.

I will say that all the HC's that have been named are all accomplished coaches and leaders.

The original intent was to rank the best. As usually happens in the offseason, we've managed to wander down several other paths. Now, there are plent of coaches who merit inclusion on a list of the best but you cannot get into the top of the rankings without a title. Having one of those makes you a known name by default. So it really isn't a matter of us not naming the lesser known coaches. It's a reflection of the requirements of a list if this nature.

[SLC93]

To me, for a coach to make the list of best coaches, he has to have taken over somewhere that was not winning, turn them around, win for an extended period of time and have won it all. Taking over a powerhouse and keeping it up is nice. Taking over a loser and making them good year in and year out is nice. But neither of those are great.

Vance, Lineweaver, GA Moore, Allen Wilson and Bryan Erwin have all met the requirments. There are others but that is my short list.

Although all three categories offer their own set of challenges. Taking over a dynasty is asking for a headache and unemployment if anything goes wrong for any reason. Taking over a perenial loser and turning them around may be the most difficult because you have to overcome a culture of losing that permeates both the school and the community. Building a winnner from scratch probably requires the most work but at least your canvas is blank. I'd rank them losing, building and maintaining for degree of difficulty.

[33Blood]

Although all three categories offer their own set of challenges. Taking over a dynasty is asking for a headache and unemployment if anything goes wrong for any reason. Taking over a perenial loser and turning them around may be the most difficult because you have to overcome a culture of losing that permeates both the school and the community. Building a winnner from scratch probably requires the most work but at least your canvas is blank. I'd rank them losing, building and maintaining for degree of difficulty.

I agree that the leash is short when taking over a super power. But many a coach has done well in that scenario. Permian is a good example. They have brought a lot of guys in and there might have been a dip the first year but they ended up winning there and then not doing as much elsewhere after leaving. Though college is a bit tougher to win at in some of those Mojo cases. Briles and Graham seem to have made the jump ok. And unfortunately I don't see Wasson holding the trophy at SLC.

[dragonsdaddy]

yeah Southlake is in Tarrant. But Tarrant is way behind Collin with Celina, Plano, wylie, allen, farmersville, and now Prosper. Southlake and Celina do dip into Denton County too.
fify

[33Blood]

fify

Thanks. I left them out since they don't compare to Plano and Celina. And included Prosper only because they happened to beat Celina this year.

[powerofthehaka]

Since I do not know any of these guys personally, I will just go from what I have seen over several years.....
1- Allen : Constant pressure on defense's
2- Wylie coach - I like his philosophy
3- Plano - Although last Yr was his first as HC, he is a great motivator
4- RRSTP coach - Great play caller
5- Cedar hill - never seen them play but heard he is a great coach
6- Katy - same thing

Obviously there are many many more but these came to mind first. oops, I forgot Lineweaver over at Trinity. Great guy, lots of class and he deserves to be mentioned as well.

::laugh:laugh:laugh

[SaRattlerFan]

My list goes;

1. G.A. Moore-Aubrey; I'm being biased with this one cause, he just happens to be a personal favorite of mine, not to mention, he has some serious numbers.

2. Steve Lineweaver-Euless Trinity; Dude has won at EVERY stop. Also, he made the jump from 3A, to 5A, and had instant success.

3. Gary Joseph-Katy; With the exception of a few guys, Katy hasn't had the athletes that Hightower, North Shore, Pearland, Westfield, and quite a few other programs in the state have. But, for some reason, they've been the last one standing 3 times in the past 5 years, with another one of those years where they lost to great Carroll team in the 2005 state finals.

4. Tom Westerburg-Allen; If the Eagles don't run into Carroll those few times, then they MIGHT have more than one title this decade.

5A. Butch Ford-Celina; The Bobcats went from 2A, to 3A, back to 2A, and back to 3A, and has been one of the best programs in the state, due to them being led by Coach Ford. It had to be hard taking over a program like Celina, especially after they were coached by G.A. Moore. But, as we can all see, Coach Ford has stepped up to the plate, and won titles in 2 different classes.

5B. Gary Gaines-Odessa Permian:D; Now, I know that Coach Gaines just got back last week but, this list is also for "current" head coaches. And, he is currently the head coach at Permian. LOL! The Permian teams that he coached in the 80s weren't as athletic as quite a few of their opponents but, they always had a ton of heart. His '88 and '89 teams were machines that beat up, and embarrased Rodrick Walker-led Irving Nimitz, and All American Henry Ford-led Trimble Tech. Gaines is one of the best to ever do it!

Others;

Phil Danaher-Corpus Christi Calallen
Sam Harrell-Ennis
Allen Wilson-Dallas Carter
Larry Hill-Smithson Valley
Thomas Brooks-Jasper
Bryan Erwin-Flower Mound Marcus
Tim Buchanan-Aledo
Jim Streety-San Antonio Madison
John Outlaw-Lufkin
David Aymond-Galena Park North Shore
Terry Cron-Mansfield Timberview
Eddy Peach-Arlington Lamar
JG Cartwright-Boyd

I got a good laugh out of Streety on your list. Put Hill at Madison and they have several state championships. Streety gets the least out of very talented players.

[SLC93]

I agree that the leash is short when taking over a super power. But many a coach has done well in that scenario. Permian is a good example. They have brought a lot of guys in and there might have been a dip the first year but they ended up winning there and then not doing as much elsewhere after leaving. Though college is a bit tougher to win at in some of those Mojo cases. Briles and Graham seem to have made the jump ok. And unfortunately I don't see Wasson holding the trophy at SLC.

The only real key to being successful at an established, elite program is the coach has to be strong, both of mind and body. As with many jobs the hardest part is dealing with the community, parents & alumni. Whether it be their expectations, demands, thought, feelings or otherwise they are always there. At a place like Permian or Carroll, for examples, it ampified to a near unbearable level. You're right, though, which is why I put the coach that maintains last on that scale. The jump to college is a different animal, for sooooo many reasons. We've discussed at great length what is probably on the line for Wasson this year. It may no be his job but another season without a deep run may force some changes. I want to see him get to have a season with good health and one that his statring qb doesn't go down for the season. With the talent he has at his disposal there wouldn't be any excuse for not having a great year, possibly a championship year, if the health of the players held up.

[SLC93]

::laugh:laugh:laugh

By mentioned he meant mentioned as the person this list starts with. 22 consecutive playoff berths for him as a coach, multiple titles, built 3 programs ect..ect..

[33Blood]

The only real key to being successful at an established, elite program is the coach has to be strong, both of mind and body. As with many jobs the hardest part is dealing with the community, parents & alumni. Whether it be their expectations, demands, thought, feelings or otherwise they are always there. At a place like Permian or Carroll, for examples, it ampified to a near unbearable level. You're right, though, which is why I put the coach that maintains last on that scale. The jump to college is a different animal, for sooooo many reasons. We've discussed at great length what is probably on the line for Wasson this year. It may no be his job but another season without a deep run may force some changes. I want to see him get to have a season with good health and one that his statring qb doesn't go down for the season. With the talent he has at his disposal there wouldn't be any excuse for not having a great year, possibly a championship year, if the health of the players held up.

Joseph at Katy has done this superb. He took over what Johnston built and hasn't looked back. But that is also what keeps him off my list. That program was built by Johnston.

[SLC93]

Joseph at Katy has done this superb. He took over what Johnston built and hasn't looked back. But that is also what keeps him off my list. That program was built by Johnston.

I do think that, at a certain point, the new coach is actually proving himself, though. A lesser coach will let the program slip, if not immediately, then after a few seasons for sure. He's proven enough for me. He also has to get some of the original credit for all he put in with Johnston as he built that program. Joseph has someserious years invested there.

[33Blood]

I do think that, at a certain point, the new coach is actually proving himself, though. A lesser coach will let the program slip, if not immediately, then after a few seasons for sure. He's proven enough for me. He also has to get some of the original credit for all he put in with Johnston as he built that program. Joseph has someserious years invested there.

If he leaves Katy and repeats the success he will make the grade for sure. But that doesn't mean he is not a very good coach just not on my list of greats.

[62tiger]

If he leaves Katy and repeats the success he will make the grade for sure. But that doesn't mean he is not a very good coach just not on my list of greats.

A lot of Katy faithfuls will tell you that Joseph had as much or more to do with the rise of the program from the beginning...........

[SLC93]

A lot of Katy faithfuls will tell you that Joseph had as much or more to do with the rise of the program from the beginning...........

I've heard this from several folks.