Who will be the next non Katy team from Houston to win State?

[twcpfan1]

Any takers?

Hightower?
Cy Woods?
The Woodlands? (if the coaching gets better)
NS?

Anybody else?

Those 4 teams would be my non homer picks. Not including College Park in my equation for fairness purposes, but you guys can :D.

I actually see Cy Woods being the most likely candidate. I believe they have the clout in Cypress to pull in the best of the area talent. That's a huge area.

[farmerfan]

Unless something happens and DFW is sucked into Okalhoma then I say nobody ;):D

[SLC]

Of course you mean Katy, not just Katy team...cause the only one remotely close is Cinco Ranch and they are farther from it, then they are close.

Outside of that you nailed the 3 of the only ones that really come to mind, and thats North Shore, The Woodlands and Cy Woods. Thats all I see, though I just honestly dont see those doing it anytime soon.

[twcpfan1]

Of course you mean Katy, not just Katy team...cause the only one remotely close is Cinco Ranch and they are farther from it, then they are close.

Outside of that you nailed the 3 of the only ones that really come to mind, and thats North Shore, The Woodlands and Cy Woods. Thats all I see, though I just honestly dont see those doing it anytime soon.

I wouldn't exactly dismiss Hightower as a possibility. They could have some really good athletes come through that program on a yearly basis. An that coaching staff will probably get better after getting a taste of a deep playoff run.

And yes. I meant KHS only.

[dada]

North Shore

[SLC93]

North Shore

Only with once in a generation talent and even then only every other generation. :eek: Sorry, that team has come roaring into the post season toooooooooooo many times and left with a whimper for me to be on board with. Class coach and a quality program but I do not trust them in November and there have been too many Decembers they should have been a part of but weren't.:o

[Mr. Rod]

Only with once in a generation talent and even then only every other generation. :eek: Sorry, that team has come roaring into the post season toooooooooooo many times and left with a whimper for me to be on board with. Class coach and a quality program but I do not trust them in November and there have been too many Decembers they should have been a part of but weren't.:o

Sadly I agree with you. We certainly have the talent year in year out. Fishy play calling sometimes does play an affect on the team's success. Last season we should have gone much deeper. And the year before, the state championship should of been ours. But oh well, new seasons brings new expectations.

But to get back to the topic without picking North Shore eventhough I know they are capable of going and winning state.... Im going with The Woodlands and Hightower. The Woodlands is a very talented team. Hightower has many athletic players, I think they could of won the state title last december, but were out coached by a dissapointing (at least in my eyes) Allen Eagles team.

[dada]

Sadly I agree with you. We certainly have the talent year in year out. Fishy play calling sometimes does play an affect on the team's success. Last season we should have gone much deeper. And the year before, the state championship should of been ours. But oh well, new seasons brings new expectations.

But to get back to the topic without picking North Shore eventhough I know they are capable of going and winning state.... Im going with The Woodlands and Hightower. The Woodlands is a very talented team. Hightower has many athletic players, I think they could of won the state title last december, but were out coached by a dissapointing (at least in my eyes) Allen Eagles team.

Don't you guys have a new OC...do you think play calling will change?

[Mr. Rod]

Don't you guys have a new OC...do you think play calling will change?

Aymond (Head Coach for people who don't know) is OC for now. Im expecting to see the plays switch up this season due to a promising new QB.

[slcdragonfan]

North Shore

+1 They are close every year. It is not easy to get to the big game, and they were just a few minutes away from beating Hightower this past year.

[ktCarl]

If Houston annexes Katy then I will say Katy. :rolleyes:

[85Roughneck]

If Houston annexes Katy then I will say Katy. :rolleyes:


LOL! now that's gotta be the best homer post I've seen in a while! :notworthy

sorry I missed you guys yesterday at Snappy's but I had some KC business to attend to.

[ktCarl]

LOL! now that's gotta be the best homer post I've seen in a while! :notworthy

sorry I missed you guys yesterday at Snappy's but I had some KC business to attend to.

There is breakfast dissention amongst us. We are contemplating moving the Breakfast Club to Denny's at the Katy Mills Mall. They raised the prices at Snappy's and it's not so special any more.

[85Roughneck]

There is breakfast dissention amongst us. We are contemplating moving the Breakfast Club to Denny's at the Katy Mills Mall. They raised the prices at Snappy's and it's not so special any more.

I'm cool with that, I'm a big fan of Denny's ... lemme know

[twcpfan1]

There is breakfast dissention amongst us. We are contemplating moving the Breakfast Club to Denny's at the Katy Mills Mall. They raised the prices at Snappy's and it's not so special any more.

Just stay out of Cinco Ranch Territory :D

[Red Raider Rick]

Hightower will have athletes, but tighter district transfer restrictions and more importantly, the opening of the Sienna Plantation HS in 2010 will work against them. Depth will be a growing concern.

[dada]

Hightower will have athletes, but tighter district transfer restrictions and more importantly, the opening of the Sienna Plantation HS in 2010 will work against them. Depth will be a growing concern.

good lord, how many HS's will they have? I think Willowridge and Marshall should be allowed to drop to 4A where they can atleast have a chance to compete.

[85Roughneck]

Just stay out of Cinco Ranch Territory :D

ooooooooooooooo ... I'm shakin' in me boots !!!


LOL! well played danny ... :notworthy

[twcpfan1]

ooooooooooooooo ... I'm shakin' in me boots !!!


LOL! well played danny ... :notworthy

Yeah really. We can't ver well have them writing any more articles in their school paper complaining about waiting too long for their burritos :D

[Red Raider Rick]

good lord, how many HS's will they have? I think Willowridge and Marshall should be allowed to drop to 4A where they can atleast have a chance to compete.

11 HS...it's stupid, from an athletic perspective. We could debate the impact in other areas, but hey...this is football.

I think you make a good point though in regard to ridge and marshall. Drop them to 4A and let the other schools pick up a another non-district game. It just seems screwy to me to have 6 team districts and 10 team districts. In some districts, if you win one district game you make the playoffs!!! Could you not have 8 team districts for UIL purposes across the board? Hmmmm...

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I like FB Travis and Cy Woods. Will they get it done? Probably not.

Obviously the thread is 5a only. How far north, east, south, and west is considered the Houston Area? Lufkin to BWB to PAM to GBall to Katy? There is a lot of Houston in region 2.

[BuckeyeDave]

Just stay out of Cinco Ranch Territory :D

Well played :)
To the previous poster, I guess I've always seen the Houston Area for these purposes defined as west through Katy, north through Conroe and Humble ISDs, east to Baytown, south through Fort Bend and southeast to Galveston.

[SLC]

I like FB Travis and Cy Woods. Will they get it done? Probably not.

Obviously the thread is 5a only. How far north, east, south, and west is considered the Houston Area? Lufkin to BWB to PAM to GBall to Katy? There is a lot of Houston in region 2.


I have never ever heard of anyone even remotely refer to Lufkin as GHA territory.

[farmerfan]

I have never ever heard of anyone even remotely refer to Lufkin as GHA territory.

We'll claim Tyler if they want to do that. ;)

[grayowl60]

We'll claim Tyler if they want to do that. ;)
And Sulpher Springs

[farmerfan]

And Sulpher Springs

And Commerce and Paris and Gainesville and heck Stephenville ;)

[SLC]

We'll claim Tyler if they want to do that. ;)


And Sulpher Springs



And Commerce and Paris and Gainesville and heck Stephenville ;)


Hell, lets claim Witchita Falls to then...Maybe even Abilene.:D

[The Wet Mustard]

I like FB Travis and Cy Woods. Will they get it done? Probably not.

Obviously the thread is 5a only. How far north, east, south, and west is considered the Houston Area? Lufkin to BWB to PAM to GBall to Katy? There is a lot of Houston in region 2.

I would say region 3 plus conroe isd and cy-fair isd, and throw out katy isd, we dont want to be with the suck that is houston, well actually just katy and cinco dont want to, the rest you can have.
I think cinco could be the next to win state 5-8 years

[KT2000]

It is interesting that no one mentions Westfield, but then again DeKaney's cut into their talent pool quite a bit. I think they still have something to say as a program. Westfield didn't have an answer at the RB position last year for as long as I can remember since they turned the corner in 2001. I'd be shocked if that is a problem two years in a row.

North Shore is a logical choice because of their consistency. Hightower could be there as well, but will they be as consistently in the mix as North Shore's been? Hightower may not ever have a class like last year again.

It is a tough question to answer because the traditional talent hotbeds (Aldine, Alief and HISD) are no longer producing elite level teams.

[Fleeman93]

In my opinion it will be a team that has a freakish amount of talent in one season so it won't be as much of a coaching thing as it is a player thing. I do think Cinco could have done it this year if Ros and Hirtz were 100% all season. North Shore will always be in the discussion because of the talent but I will never put my eggs in their basket after the last couple of seasons. Westfield has the talent but they do less with it than North Shore does. Pearland is consistently good but not great. With all of that said I just think it will be a team with a freakish amount of talent that comes along.

[KT2000]

Westfield has the talent but they do less with it than North Shore does.

I would only agree with that statement in regard to last year. Westfield's performed better than North Shore against a tougher schedule since 04, and they've also had the advantage head-to-head.

They both get good results with their talent. They may not always be state championship results, but there's nothing wrong with double digit win seasons.

Houston area teams won't consistently be in the state championship picture until the traditional hotbeds start fielding good teams again. I can't tell you when that will be.

[Fleeman93]

I would only agree with that statement in regard to last year. Westfield's performed better than North Shore against a tougher schedule since 04, and they've also had the advantage head-to-head.

They both get good results with their talent. They may not always be state championship results, but there's nothing wrong with double digit win seasons.

Houston area teams won't consistently be in the state championship picture until the traditional hotbeds start fielding good teams again. I can't tell you when that will be.

I guess I just expect those two would have done more with what they have had over the years.

[KT2000]

I guess I just expect those two would have done more with what they have had over the years.

The interesting thing about both programs is that they were sleeping giants before their current run of success. It happened for North Shore in the mid 90s when Aymond first arrived. They were perennial losers before he got there.

Ron Lynch took over Westfield in the late 90s and it took a couple of seasons before Westfield broke through in 2001. Meekins took over the program in 2004 and got them to a state championship appears in his first season. They were a perennial loser for much of the 90s before Lynch arrived.

There are examples like this all over the state. McGuire is doing a similar thing to Aymond/Meekins at Cedar Hill right now.

I see sleeping giants all over Houston that could woken up by the right staff at the right time.

[CyFallsMom]

There is breakfast dissention amongst us. We are contemplating moving the Breakfast Club to Denny's at the Katy Mills Mall. They raised the prices at Snappy's and it's not so special any more.

OH NO!!! I will still go there though;). Though I like Denny's breakfast, it's not quite the same ambience.

[Oiler Alumni Deer Dad]

I would only agree with that statement in regard to last year. Westfield's performed better than North Shore against a tougher schedule since 04, and they've also had the advantage head-to-head.

They both get good results with their talent. They may not always be state championship results, but there's nothing wrong with double digit win seasons.

Houston area teams won't consistently be in the state championship picture until the traditional hotbeds start fielding good teams again. I can't tell you when that will be.


I think you have to mention Pearlands name in the mix as well. They have had some strong playoff runs in the past few years.

[KT2000]

I think you have to mention Pearlands name in the mix as well. They have had some strong playoff runs in the past few years.

I just wonder about all the new school openings as far as you guys are concerned. I know there's Dawson and Manvel just down the road. How big of an impact is that having on Pearland's core zones?

[twcpfan1]

Whoever it is, it's going to come from the Outer Burbs. I really do not see HISD, Alief or even Aldine being in the mix anytime soon.

It's also going to be a school that attracts virtually all the talent within the school district. All Star team in a manner of speaking.

[ftballin11]

Strake Jesuit. They are building a great program. We will soon start suspiciously seeing great athletes from the alief area there.;)

[C-DUB]

Strake Jesuit. They are building a great program. We will soon start suspiciously seeing great athletes from the alief area there.;)

We need a magnet school in Cypress.:rolleyes:

[austin pride]

11 HS...it's stupid, from an athletic perspective. We could debate the impact in other areas, but hey...this is football.

I think you make a good point though in regard to ridge and marshall. Drop them to 4A and let the other schools pick up a another non-district game. It just seems screwy to me to have 6 team districts and 10 team districts. In some districts, if you win one district game you make the playoffs!!! Could you not have 8 team districts for UIL purposes across the board? Hmmmm...
Maybe send Travis and Bush to the Katy ISD district.

[GUNNER]

Strake Jesuit. They are building a great program. We will soon start suspiciously seeing great athletes from the alief area there.;)
UIL screwed up putting them in........ not a fair playing field as stated in your post!!!!

[GUNNER]

Any takers?

Hightower?
Cy Woods?
The Woodlands? (if the coaching gets better)
NS?

Anybody else?

Those 4 teams would be my non homer picks. Not including College Park in my equation for fairness purposes, but you guys can :D.

I actually see Cy Woods being the most likely candidate. I believe they have the clout in Cypress to pull in the best of the area talent. That's a huge area.

What is the deal with the coaches? Didnt they make the playoffs??? and have a better year?

[Fleeman93]

What is the deal with the coaches? Didnt they make the playoffs??? and have a better year?


They were loaded with talent this year and the coach couldn't do anything with it. Likely that they won't have as much talent any time soon so doubt they will do much.

[dada]

What is the deal with the coaches? Didnt they make the playoffs??? and have a better year?

If the goal of the season was to beat Katy....they would have been the best coaching staff in the state.

[The Wet Mustard]

If the goal of the season was to beat Katy....they would have been the best coaching staff in the state.

CR SL JET MR MC or Cy-Falls, and now new member TWHS. All of these schools are calling it a good season with a win vs katy. So far 6 of them have losing records and one is 1-1(Cy-falls)

[dada]

CR SL JET MR MC or Cy-Falls, and now new member TWHS. All of these schools are calling it a good season with a win vs katy. So far 6 of them have losing records and one is 1-1(Cy-falls)

so...it's a CURSE to beat Katy? lol What's Clear Lakes and Cy-Falls record since beating Katy?

[The Wet Mustard]

so...it's a CURSE to beat Katy? lol What's Clear Lakes and Cy-Falls record since beating Katy?

I think it might be a curse
Falls Wins one more game
Lake now sucks
Slc has slowly fallen but thats because of other reasons too
Tw got worse all season


Who wants to beat us now huh?

[slcdragonfan]

I think it might be a curse
Falls Wins one more game
Lake now sucks
Slc has slowly fallen but thats because of other reasons too
Tw got worse all season


Who wants to beat us now huh?

Keep SLC out of it, I think we have done just fine after beating Katy.;) And I have wanted us to play (and beat) you for two years running.

[The Wet Mustard]

Keep SLC out of it, I think we have done just fine after beating Katy.;) And I have wanted us to play (and beat) you for two years running.

Maybe you should get your coach to give coach J a call, because it doesnt look like we will meet in the playoffs, we only make it to the measly DII bracket :rolleyes:

[Hurricanes192]

Hightower will have athletes, but tighter district transfer restrictions and more importantly, the opening of the Sienna Plantation HS in 2010 will work against them. Depth will be a growing concern.

True but to beat the that problem hightower would need joniors to trnsfree in and they would be safe from the seana hs

[slcdragonfan]

Maybe you should get your coach to give coach J a call, because it doesnt look like we will meet in the playoffs, we only make it to the measly DII bracket :rolleyes:

We will be Div II...has to be a miracle for us not to be in this District.

[t00 playa]

North Shore will continue to be a team you can't count on, yet can't count out of a state championship run.:eek:

[twcpfan1]

CR SL JET MR MC or Cy-Falls, and now new member TWHS. All of these schools are calling it a good season with a win vs katy. So far 6 of them have losing records and one is 1-1(Cy-falls)

Pretty sure Katy and Woodz are 3-3. McCullough = Woodz.

Pretty sure most if not all Woodz fans were disappointed with the way their season ended in 2008

[mossad]

Be on the look out for Dickinson. With schools like La Marque and Texas City Galveston numbers dropping, Dickinsons population is exploding. It is becoming the mecca for football in Galveston County.

[KT2000]

North Shore will continue to be a team you can't count on, yet can't count out of a state championship run.:eek:

Find a place kicker AND punter. The offense discovered some new wrinkles last year, and put you guys in a position to succeed. Tillman was nails.

[cyfallsbooster2]

Hell, lets claim Witchita Falls to then...Maybe even Abilene.:D

Who would want to claim Witchita Falls for anything?!!!!:eek:

[t00 playa]

Find a place kicker AND punter. The offense discovered some new wrinkles last year, and put you guys in a position to succeed. Tillman was nails.

we have a kicker... but we do need a punter.... we just need to replace..mathews...and find a DL that could disrupt like thad randle could.....other than that... i think we are the same team as last year.... tillman impressed me as the season progressed...... and i believe gibson is same type of player... except he will be a junior this year and is about 4-5 inches taller than tillman.....:eek:

[Mr. Rod]

we have a kicker... but we do need a punter.... we just need to replace..mathews...and find a DL that could disrupt like thad randle could.....other than that... i think we are the same team as last year.... tillman impressed me as the season progressed...... and i believe gibson is same type of player... except he will be a junior this year and is about 4-5 inches taller than tillman.....:eek:

Not to mention a better passer.

[t00 playa]

Not to mention a better passer.

and thats a scary thought when he has the targets such as deandrew white and devonte davis....:eek:

[cougmantx]

Keep SLC out of it, I think we have done just fine after beating Katy.;) And I have wanted us to play (and beat) you for two years running.

Yeah, and we have been wanting you to try. No way in 2007 and it may have been a game in 2008 but SLC would have lost both times. You guys get it togather so we can settle this team of the decade thing this year.

By the way, outside of Katy, I'm a SLC fan other then the boring spread offense y'all run. :notworthy

[slcdragonfan]

Yeah, and we have been wanting you to try. No way in 2007 and it may have been a game in 2008 but SLC would have lost both times. You guys get it togather so we can settle this team of the decade thing this year.

By the way, outside of Katy, I'm a SLC fan other then the boring spread offense y'all run. :notworthy

lol, yeah, winners like (or should like) winners because they know what it takes to get and stay there. 2008 and 2007 would have been good games, but I'm stickin' with in 2007 Riley and crew 'shock and awe' a great Katy team. And I did see the P-ville game, I was in the endzone seats watching the Hail Mary at the end of the 1st half, and then watched Katy own the show in the 3rd. Great 3rd quarter in every way. You guys have done your part two years running, we'll do our best to see you there. You know we have to pass through the dfdub to get there, though. ;)

[cougmantx]

lol, yeah, winners like (or should like) winners because they know what it takes to get and stay there. 2008 and 2007 would have been good games, but I'm stickin' with in 2007 Riley and crew 'shock and awe' a great Katy team. And I did see the P-ville game, I was in the endzone seats watching the Hail Mary at the end of the 1st half, and then watched Katy own the show in the 3rd. Great 3rd quarter in every way. You guys have done your part two years running, we'll do our best to see you there. You know we have to pass through the dfdub to get there, though. ;)

Yeah, that hail mary was a thing of beauty! I think your "shock and awe" would have gone over about as well as it did in Iraq! The 2007 team would not be denied and the 2008 team had more heart and determination then most teams can muster in 3 seasons. Having said that, SLC is still a power house and a team to be reckoned with. I'm waiting to see how y'all turn it around this year and we will be waiting for you at the finals...how's that for bravado?

[thatboycommin]

I am going to say North Shore and The Woodlands that is all.

[Fleeman93]

I am going to say North Shore and The Woodlands that is all.

North Shore maybe. The Woodlands, no chance, not under the current coaching staff. If that staff couldn't win a championship with the talent they had last year then they never will.

[CaneDadCat5]

5A

North Shore (Katy Game will be the measuring stick)
Hightower (1 or 2 years away from another monster team "must keep head coach for more than 2 weeks)
Cinco Ranch (Good Coaching/Mean, Nasty & Tough Disposition "years of being pounded on by Katy")
Pearland (Community is rich in talent and good coaching)


4A

Dayton
La Marque/Texas City
Lamar Consolidated

[thatboycommin]

North Shore maybe. The Woodlands, no chance, not under the current coaching staff. If that staff couldn't win a championship with the talent they had last year then they never will.

They got a pretty good chance with Daniel Lasco at RB IMO.

[Fleeman93]

They got a pretty good chance with Daniel Lasco at RB IMO.

Better RB's haven't won state alone. If the woodlands coaches couldn't win state with more(08) then there is no way they will win state with less(ever).

[twcpfan1]

Better RB's haven't won state alone. If the woodlands coaches couldn't win state with more(08) then there is no way they will win state with less(ever).

Never say never. Take last year. Who in D2 playoffs could have beaten The Woodlands? Nobody. The Lufkin game was an anomaly and they probably would have never matched up in the playoffs anyway. Who's to say that D1 won't someday be the same strength and depth? It has happened.

[KOfb92]

I'm surprised no one has considered Klein Oak. 2 Quarterfinals appearances in the last 3 years, with yet another talented core brewing. Although young and inexperienced the oline will make an attempt to bounce back from losing all 5 starters. But the defense will be very talented with the only major hole at #2 corner. I expect to see one of the most talented D's Klein Oak has put on the field in recent years, they are very strong and quick. The offense is the only question mark, as there isn't a true playmaker like a Desean Hales or Ossam Cook anymore.

[Fleeman93]

Never say never. Take last year. Who in D2 playoffs could have beaten The Woodlands? Nobody. The Lufkin game was an anomaly and they probably would have never matched up in the playoffs anyway. Who's to say that D1 won't someday be the same strength and depth? It has happened.

So you know for certain that the Woodlands could have beaten Katy in the playoffs?

[C-DUB]

So you know for certain that the Woodlands could have beaten Katy in the playoffs?

The question is, can Katy beat the Woodlands this year?

[Fleeman93]

The question is, can Katy beat the Woodlands this year?

I would give Katy a 50/50 shot of winning.

[C-DUB]

I would give Katy a 50/50 shot of winning.

That's a game I will attend.:ninja:

[twcpfan1]

So you know for certain that the Woodlands could have beaten Katy in the playoffs?

No possible way to know that for sure. But considering the first meeting was a 47-0 win to The Woodlands, there is a possibility that The Woodlands might actually match up well with Katy. I don't think Katy's DB's could have stayed with the TW receivers. On the other hand, Clapsaddle, Adamo and Maires would have contained Brandt and Swanson easily. I just do not think they saw DB's that good all year. Plus TW were the more physical team in the trenches too.

On the flipside, Katy are a great team with the season on the line. The Woodlands have been known to lose games they should win under those conditions. In that matchup however, I just think in 2008 TW had enough talent to overcome that.

[PCW Cats]

They got a pretty good chance with Daniel Lasco at RB IMO.

I haven't seen Lasco's name on any track results. Is he not running this year? I think he did pretty good last year as a freshman.