SLC, let's pick apart what makes them so good.....

[InTheBagIsBACK]

To be a constantly good team, a team has to have a combination of good players, and good coaches. If you look at the NFL you can see these things.

The Dallas Cowboys have a really good coach, but average players. As the players get better, so does the whole team. When the cowboys had Dave Campo (bad) they also had average players and that showed a horrible season

Judson, Madison, Smithson Valley, SLC, and others...
they all are consistently good...why? you ask...
well, I believe these schools all have great coaches. And when the good players go away, and they're left with average guys, that's when they have an ALRIGHT season, or a LIL PLAYOFF APPEARANCE. But...when they have good players....zomg the possibilities are endless

that is why SLC is so amazing right now

[BAMF cowboy]

great coaches that inplement a system and stick to it. for example slc starts the spread offense at 7th grade, so dodge knows his talent from then

[InTheBagIsBACK]

likewise, the Madison Middle schools all implemented the offenses of Madison, so the kids already know them. Now my Middle school implemented Madison's Offense, and Macarthur's Defense.

[BigWhiteJake]

they have two times the talent level of any other team in the state, i have heard up to 13 of their players could land division 1 scholarships, couple that with a coach who played QB at UT and a bunch of players who dads used to be dallas cowboys and youre going to win a lot

Jacobson
Renfro
Smiter
Allen
Fentriss all over 37 catches with big play ability

newton the best underclass running back in the state

mcelroy an outstanding leader and pocket passer that brings all this talent together

on top of that michael prince is an excellent tackle

and thats just the offense

[BAMF cowboy]

they have two times the talent level of any other team in the state, i have heard up to 13 of their players could land division 1 scholarships, couple that with a coach who played QB at UT and a bunch of players who dads used to be dallas cowboys and youre going to win a lot

Jacobson
Renfro
Smiter
Allen
Fentriss all over 37 catches with big play ability

newton the best underclass running back in the state

mcelroy an outstanding leader and pocket passer that brings all this talent together

on top of that michael prince is an excellent tackle

and thats just the offense

and a Riley Dodge to mix things up a bit :D

[BigWhiteJake]

yes, im well aware of all the players for both schools, i was just summarizing it a bit

[BAMF cowboy]

yes, im well aware of all the players for both schools, i was just summarizing it a bit

i'd never doubt you for a second bwj

[Texas-Raised]

they have two times the talent level of any other team in the state, i have heard up to 13 of their players could land division 1 scholarships, couple that with a coach who played QB at UT and a bunch of players who dads used to be dallas cowboys and youre going to win a lot

Jacobson
Renfro
Smiter
Allen
Fentriss all over 37 catches with big play ability

newton the best underclass running back in the state

mcelroy an outstanding leader and pocket passer that brings all this talent together

on top of that michael prince is an excellent tackle

and thats just the offense

newton the best underclass RB in the state? i think Ed turner or aundre dean would have something to say about that

[BigWhiteJake]

then they could say whatever they wanted to and you would hear tre say something to the effect of.... "Stat Book, Stat Book"

[BAMF cowboy]

then they could say whatever they wanted to and you would hear tre say something to the effect of.... "Stat Book, Stat Book"

or 'highlight reel, highlight reel'

[toonman]

To be a constantly good team, a team has to have a combination of good players, and good coaches. If you look at the NFL you can see these things.

The Dallas Cowboys have a really good coach, but average players. As the players get better, so does the whole team. When the cowboys had Dave Campo (bad) they also had average players and that showed a horrible season

Judson, Madison, Smithson Valley, SLC, and others...
they all are consistently good...why? you ask...
well, I believe these schools all have great coaches. And when the good players go away, and they're left with average guys, that's when they have an ALRIGHT season, or a LIL PLAYOFF APPEARANCE. But...when they have good players....zomg the possibilities are endless

that is why SLC is so amazing right now

Do not forget; honest, fair, rational, humble, fans and posters on this website.

[BigWhiteJake]

hold on dre is my boy, and i felt ed turner was the best rb katy saw all year, he just played on a sorry team...

Andre is great, he just hasnt carried the ball all season long and has like 600 less rushing yards, so for the comparison of those two, it has to go Tre.

Turner's team didn't even make the playoffs, so comparing him to Newton is like comparing Louisville's Brian Brohm to Matt Leinart. Obviously Brohm does more with less, but look whos right behind Vince on all the AA teams.

[Drag Goon]

newton the best underclass RB in the state? i think Ed turner or aundre dean would have something to say about that

I agree, I don't think you can say Tre is the best underclassman running back in the state, at least not yet. He missed too many games due to injury and started slow(split time) while he was earning the position. He may be the best running back next year but we will have to wait and see.

[SLCoutsider]

I think the SLC offensive system is less dependent on having gifted atheletes than a typical HS program. They are able to spread the ball around to so many players that it's just too difficult to defend. Compare this with a typical HS offense that relies on one or two primary ball carriers and the rare pass.

For instance, I saw the Berkner first round playoff game and their offense mostly relied on the Johnson brothers (QB and TB) option attack. They rarely passed and when they did, it was like watching junior high ball compared to SLC. Poor throws, dropped balls, etc... They lost their 3rd round game because the QB was out with an injury so the defense could focus on stopping their TB.

I can't explain the defense. I'm not sure what they are doing that is different than a typical HS scheme. They just always seem to have 11 guys doing their jobs and making big plays when they count.

[Crank_It]

It's not necesarrily the fact that SLC's offense is hard to defend as it is to defend it for the whole game. 48 minutes of straight up pitch and catch is enough to aggrevate even the best of db's and thats when SLC is at its finest. Watching tape of SLC the past couple of years and from what I've seen is that the teams that fare the best start out okay enough on D but at some point in the game they get gloved on for a long gain and begin to get flustered, and thats all over the field so every DB gets a taste of aggrevation and by that time its over, SLC is on top and not lookin back.

Keys to success (if any) against SLC:

1.Quality pass rush
2.D1 level DB's and LB's
3.Enough offense to compete with SLC's whether it be run'n'gun or smashmouth, just get it in the endzone as often as you can.

Just my .02

[VB Pack Fan]

they have two times the talent level of any other team in the state, i have heard up to 13 of their players could land division 1 scholarships, couple that with a coach who played QB at UT and a bunch of players who dads used to be dallas cowboys and youre going to win a lot

Jacobson
Renfro
Smiter
Allen
Fentriss all over 37 catches with big play ability

newton the best underclass running back in the state

mcelroy an outstanding leader and pocket passer that brings all this talent together

on top of that michael prince is an excellent tackle

and thats just the offense

Wrong, Newton is not the best underclass running back in the state. I have seen him and as of now he,s a average back on a good team.Turner from Lufkin is a very good back and is a better runner than Newton and strong for his size,only weighs about 160.

[DragonBand06]

Anybody else read the analysis yet? Thoughts?

[FeeltheHaka]

As I posted on other threads, I think what makes SLC so good is the money.

[dragons08]

As I posted on other threads, I think what makes SLC so good is the money.
wrong

[Crank_It]

Money helps as far as the equipment and facilities go, but there is no substitute for where former players settle down and raise their young'ns. Many people seek out SLC as a place to raise their children because it is such an esteemed program, just like westlake who is playoff bound every year. It's all a matter of economics. Who would you want your kid to play for? Some no-name 2A school or one of the top programs in the state?

[dragons08]

also the parents..the work ethic they teach leads to why southlake is so competitive

[Crank_It]

also the parents..the work ethic they teach leads to why southlake is so competitive


Very true, the work ethic (but mostly pressure) parents instill in their children in all the big name schools is ridiculous. Yeah you have your "Cmon Johnny, as long as you do your best we'll be happy", but from what I've seen and heard being in the game for so long its more like "Johnny if you f*ck this up for me....."

So, a recap: Money, economics, and pressure to succeed (which ould iclude trying to impress coaches of ones athletic ability) is what makes the foundation of a playoff bound program

[KLH75287]

Speed, Talent, Desire, Tradition, Work Ethic, Attitude, Community Support, Coaching, Confidence.....

Put that all together, and you get a "Program". There are others like it, and even more in the making.

They expect to find a way to win, and so far have been getting it done.

Katy got by them 2 years ago by accomplishing something no one else has been able to do. Keep the Dragon O off the field, and make the critical plays when you have to.

If they do that again on Saturday, they will be in the hunt. If not, SLC get's the only monkey off their back that they carry up to now.

GO PACK IN '06

[trackris24]

Katy was a great defensive threat to our team 2 years ago and I agree still remains a defensive threat, but please remember this is NOT the same Dragon team you saw 2 years ago. I think they are better. McElroy has really come around and throws on timing, something Daniel didn't have in his junior year vs. the tigers. This offense has more dependable recievers and although Newton is not Luna, he is on his way. Newton has consistantly improved all year, running lower and smarter each play.
Plano dropped 8 to cover the pass and Newton owned Plano. We could have run him up the middle all day. Only a sophmore, but a huge threat to Katy. Katy better come ready.

Different Year, Different Team, Different Outcome.

[dragonfootballfan]

Money helps as far as the equipment and facilities go, but there is no substitute for where former players settle down and raise their young'ns. Many people seek out SLC as a place to raise their children because it is such an esteemed program, just like westlake who is playoff bound every year. It's all a matter of economics. Who would you want your kid to play for? Some no-name 2A school or one of the top programs in the state?
then how was Carroll good in the Ledbetter years as a 3A school?

[toonman]

Very true, the work ethic (but mostly pressure) parents instill in their children in all the big name schools is ridiculous. Yeah you have your "Cmon Johnny, as long as you do your best we'll be happy", but from what I've seen and heard being in the game for so long its more like "Johnny if you f*ck this up for me....."

So, a recap: Money, economics, and pressure to succeed (which ould iclude trying to impress coaches of ones athletic ability) is what makes the foundation of a playoff bound program

or simply put "Success breeds Success"

[Sakatha]

"Cmon Johnny, as long as you do your best we'll be happy", but from what I've seen and heard being in the game for so long its more like "Johnny if you f*ck this up for me....."

So, a recap: Money, economics, and pressure to succeed (which ould iclude trying to impress coaches of ones athletic ability) is what makes the foundation of a playoff bound program

I dunno that I've ever heard this one while I was around other SL parents. I think there is a desire to succeed, but I have yet to see someone pull a Tim McGraw on their son...

~DnM

[implacable44]

they have two times the talent level of any other team in the state, i have heard up to 13 of their players could land division 1 scholarships, couple that with a coach who played QB at UT and a bunch of players who dads used to be dallas cowboys and youre going to win a lot

Jacobson
Renfro
Smiter
Allen
Fentriss all over 37 catches with big play ability

newton the best underclass running back in the state

mcelroy an outstanding leader and pocket passer that brings all this talent together

on top of that michael prince is an excellent tackle

and thats just the offense


wow - the bigwhitesomething is in full effect -

newton best underclass running back in the state?

two times the talent level of any other team in the state?

13 d1 scholarships ?

man -- you are hIGH - two times the talent level ? are you serious ? -- 13 d1 scholarships ? --good thing these comments are all rational and coming from an unbiased point of view. I can't get over the two times the talent level comment -- unbelievable or hilarious I guess. -take your pick.

[Sakatha]

wow - the bigwhitesomething is in full effect -

newton best underclass running back in the state?

two times the talent level of any other team in the state?

13 d1 scholarships ?

man -- you are hIGH - two times the talent level ? are you serious ? -- 13 d1 scholarships ? --good thing these comments are all rational and coming from an unbiased point of view. I can't get over the two times the talent level comment -- unbelievable or hilarious I guess. -take your pick.

The only part I will agree on is the 13 D1 schollies.. It'll be pretty close to that when it's all said and done. Most of those will be to small D1, but D1 none the less..

Newton *should* be one of the top 5 backs in the state when he's a SR, assuming he doesn't get moved to defense because of concussion issues.

When he said Newton was the best underclass RB in the state, perhaps he misunderstood what that means.. Newton might end up being the best RB that is a soph this year, but underclass includes a REALLLY deep JR class coming up... Newton isn't in the top 15 underclass RB's at this exact moment...

~DnM

[implacable44]

The only part I will agree on is the 13 D1 schollies.. It'll be pretty close to that when it's all said and done. Most of those will be to small D1, but D1 none the less..

Newton *should* be one of the top 5 backs in the state when he's a SR, assuming he doesn't get moved to defense because of concussion issues.

When he said Newton was the best underclass RB in the state, perhaps he misunderstood what that means.. Newton might end up being the best RB that is a soph this year, but underclass includes a REALLLY deep JR class coming up... Newton isn't in the top 15 underclass RB's at this exact moment...

~DnM

maybe i just dont see 13 d1 senior football players on that team - i could be wrong though - i mean clint isnt going to count in my eyes because i dont think he will stick with football - track all the way - but i hope they do get it. - even with that being the case southlake does not have twice the talent level of any other team in the state of texas.

[G@rr3tt Un!t57]

wow - the bigwhitesomething is in full effect -

newton best underclass running back in the state?

two times the talent level of any other team in the state?

13 d1 scholarships ?

man -- you are hIGH - two times the talent level ? are you serious ? -- 13 d1 scholarships ? --good thing these comments are all rational and coming from an unbiased point of view. I can't get over the two times the talent level comment -- unbelievable or hilarious I guess. -take your pick.
dude i agree with you and i'm a southlake fan that comment was not worded right or made up. theres a ton of underclass runnin backs and newon might be in the top 25 but theres no way hes #1. what about aaron stacy? that kid is a beast as well. of course no 1 looks at him cuz hes half the size of the other lineman, except maybe buford.

[drgnbkr]

then how was Carroll good in the Ledbetter years as a 3A school?

G.A. Moore of Celina wanted his son to play for Coach Ledbetter...that is the esteem that Bob Ledbetter was & still is held.

[dragonfootballfan]

G.A. Moore of Celina wanted his son to play for Coach Ledbetter...that is the esteem that Bob Ledbetter was & still is held.
I know that. I was just telling asking the question because they said that Carroll was good only because they have ex cowboys kids on their team

[PACK]

To be a constantly good team, a team has to have a combination of good players, and good coaches. If you look at the NFL you can see these things.

The Dallas Cowboys have a really good coach, but average players. As the players get better, so does the whole team. When the cowboys had Dave Campo (bad) they also had average players and that showed a horrible season

Judson, Madison, Smithson Valley, SLC, and others...
they all are consistently good...why? you ask...
well, I believe these schools all have great coaches. And when the good players go away, and they're left with average guys, that's when they have an ALRIGHT season, or a LIL PLAYOFF APPEARANCE. But...when they have good players....zomg the possibilities are endless

that is why SLC is so amazing right now

You're about half right if that. SLC is what they are because of their work ethic and disapline pure and simple. Your can have all the best players in the state on your team, but if they don't work hard even in the off season, you're still just an average team. I've heard from other 5A coaches around the state that SLC has the best off season program there is and Katy is a close second. It is structured and with purpose. I'm not talking just about getting reps in the weight room, but the drills and the disapline to do them on a regular basis is what gets it done when the season rolls around. A coach cannot create talent in a player. All he can do is help that player enhance that talent. Off season is where this comes into play. If the player has his tools ready, then by the time the season rolls around the coaches then work to bring all the individuals together to make a team. Dodge and staff does this about as well as anyone and THAT is what makes SLC what they are.

[Sakatha]

You're about half right if that. SLC is what they are because of their work ethic and disapline pure and simple. Your can have all the best players in the state on your team, but if they don't work hard even in the off season, you're still just an average team. I've heard from other 5A coaches around the state that SLC has the best off season program there is and Katy is a close second. It is structured and with purpose. I'm not talking just about getting reps in the weight room, but the drills and the disapline to do them on a regular basis is what gets it done when the season rolls around. A coach cannot create talent in a player. All he can do is help that player enhance that talent. Off season is where this comes into play. If the player has his tools ready, then by the time the season rolls around the coaches then work to bring all the individuals together to make a team. Dodge and staff does this about as well as anyone and THAT is what makes SLC what they are.

That's right, and a coach cannot do much in the summer... That's all about the kids wanting to get it done..

The drive and determination from the young man himself...

~DnM

[uscdragon]

maybe i just dont see 13 d1 senior football players on that team - i could be wrong though - i mean clint isnt going to count in my eyes because i dont think he will stick with football - track all the way - but i hope they do get it. - even with that being the case southlake does not have twice the talent level of any other team in the state of texas.

seniors
Benoist
simpson
jacobson
agnew
boydston
mcelroy
prince
renfro
fentriss

these are already databased.....
allen, winsett, reece, buford drescher & powers are fence sitters for schollys, but certain walk ons.

[dragonsdaddy]

seniors
Benoist
simpson
jacobson
agnew
boydston
mcelroy
prince
renfro
fentriss

these are already databased.....
allen, winsett, reece, buford drescher & powers are fence sitters for schollys, but certain walk ons.
who has offered simpson. not many d-1 coaches can overlook his obvious deficiencies- he's 5-10, plays cb, and isn't black. we've had several recent cb's who did everything scotty has done and more, and they didn't get a sniff. hope i'm wrong.

[dragonfootballfan]

who has offered simpson. not many d-1 coaches can overlook his obvious deficiencies- he's 5-10, plays cb, and isn't black. we've had several recent cb's who did everything scotty has done and more, and they didn't get a sniff. hope i'm wrong.
I am pretty sure it is the service academys army and navy

[implacable44]

seniors
Benoist
simpson
jacobson
agnew
boydston
mcelroy
prince
renfro
fentriss

these are already databased.....
allen, winsett, reece, buford drescher & powers are fence sitters for schollys, but certain walk ons.


like i said - we will see come signing day. Renfro will be track all the way and fentriss better go to a really small school if he wants to sniff any PT - same with allen and he will switch to tight end. Can't believe you left Smiter off that list as he will surely be at the UofU and is probably the second best receiver at SLC. - walk ons dont count and if they are going to walk on - it better be a small school not D1.

when signing day gets here and 13 Dragons sign division 1 scholarships then i will relent. until then.......

[Sakatha]

who has offered simpson. not many d-1 coaches can overlook his obvious deficiencies- he's 5-10, plays cb, and isn't black. we've had several recent cb's who did everything scotty has done and more, and they didn't get a sniff. hope i'm wrong.

Scott commited to Navy several days back

:)

~DnM

[Dragonuncle]

Per Texasfootball.com Simpson commited to Navy this week. Small D1 but still D1.

Impac are your saying Renfro won't even sign a D1 football scholarship? Just track only? If track only I'll bet your wrong.