How good is SLC's D-fense... really

[Texas-Raised]

all i hear about is slc's o. how good is their D??

[KT2000]

Best defense SLC has had since 2002. I still give 02 a slight edge due to more experienced LBs overall and they had a very good secondary that year. DL this year is probably the best they've ever had from what I've heard. Boydston is big time.

Plano and Lufkin were able to score on them for a half, but not much after that. They make good adjustments. It'll be interesting to see how they handle Katy's balanced, multiple I based attack. Hardly anyone runs a pro style offense any more with fullbacks and tight ends, but it is extremely effective with the right players.

[GPDragon]

Their D is great. I can't say it any other way. I know the games at times look close, but don't let the amount of point scored against them fool you. They will show up on Saturday. I would be shocked to see Katy score more than twice against the Carroll defense.

[TXfbfan]

Their D is great. I can't say it any other way. I know the games at times look close, but don't let the amount of point scored against them fool you. They will show up on Saturday. I would be shocked to see Katy score more than twice against the Carroll defense.

You do no katys only been held below 30 once all year right, and that was vs a stingy SV D.

[GPDragon]

You do no katys only been held below 30 once all year right, and that was vs a stingy SV D.

I'll admit, I haven't seen Katy play this year. If that's true about the 30 points then I will change my statement. I don't see Katy scoring more than three times. They'll have to do it quickly considering that Carroll will more than likely score on about 90-95% of their possessions.

[SLC'04]

Lets just say Abilene was scoring around like 35-40 points a game and the SLC D held them to a whopping goose egg!!! Might be the best D at carroll in their 4 year run.....quick d-line AMAZING backers and solid secondary!!!

[Sakatha]

You do no katys only been held below 30 once all year right, and that was vs a stingy SV D.

I've got a better one.. :) SLC has been held under 40 only twice, and under 45 only 3 times..

~DnM

[BigWhiteJake]

Agnew, Benoist, and Boydston are all stars.

[drgnbndfan35]

The argument they've only been held under 30 once doesn't really hold water here, considering in 2003 SLC's 15 points was their lowest of the season, way below their usual game average. It could go either way, and I really don't see previous games being a big factor in this one. It's all about who comes out to play and has the strength to walk away with it.

[Down n' Out]

Definetly the best defense that Katy has seen all year...but, Katy may have the best offense SLC has seen. Like I've said before, this is a matchup made in heaven. What a football game.

[BigWhiteJake]

yeah, i would say that the point total they put on lufkin probably had to do with an ineffective backup qb. they get the field position and plenty of chances to score. if SLC hung 40 on katy, i would be shocked, granted ive been shocked before but not too often. i mean no ones gonna quit, so there wont be ANY cheap td's...you can forget the 52 point thread

[rellufnalla]

I've got a better one.. :) SLC has been held under 40 only twice, and under 45 only 3 times..

~DnM

And under 16 only once. :D

[Sakatha]

And under 16 only once. :D

Touche'

:)

~DnM

[WildcatFan]

Pretty Damm Good they are real quick and were excellent at making adjustments at half.

For example when we played them Plano did a great job of running the ball down their throats in the first half.

Second half they adjusted by slanting and blowing up our strong side guard by penetrating and taking away our running threat.

From what I understand in the Lufkin game they did the same. They are very good at assesing what went wrong and rationally made adjustments to shut it down. This tricks the offense of the opponent to stick with what was working in the 1st half only to be locked down in the 2nd. Had I been Brence I would have adjusted in the 2nd half by running more mis-direction counter, weak-side iso midline, bootleg etc. but we didn't and I think that is a big reason why Plano stalled offensivley IMO.

They had great backside persuit and effectivley took Sifikas, who ran all over Midland, out of the game.

On the pass they did give up one deep ball for a TD but other than that they played well, although by Plano standards which we do not pass the ball as often as they do.

They ended the final Plano drive with an INT to ice it.

I would say they play excellent defense as good as Plano did and we had a damm good defense.

[BigWhiteJake]

haha, he said backside...

[WildcatFan]

haha, he said backside...

Ha Ha,

I hate to say it but they were ramming it up our pooper all day from the weakside.

On one play Sifikas took off and was half a yard short for a critical 1st down and he was horse-collard by this Big-ol boy from SLC who slung him back and straight down to the ground forced us to punt.

[BigWhiteJake]

yeah their defense is really good, of course having a great offense makes it a little easier on the defense, they virtually never have to be on the field after a 3 and out

[Texas-Raised]

ok so there d-line is good and lb's are decent but their secondary seems pretty week.... can they shut down dalton and co.?

[dragonfly]

Simpson for SLC has handled Leong from Abilene, Bryant from Lufkin, and many other great Rec this year, he will be fine. Agnew (D1), and the other boys are fast and smart too. They will be fine. That defense really is very good.

[Favpack]

Let me get to the point - I was expecting a D somewhat better than the '02 team and I did not see that Saturday. Don't get me wrong - the D is plenty good and, in their defense, maybe they came out a little flat and confused against Lufkin -- really not knowing what the Pack scheme would be.

Half time adjustments were very effective - BUT - the effectiveness had a lot to do with the fact the Lufkin qb was making his first start. An experienced qb would have picked up on and taken advantage of the middle stunts SLC ran in the 3rd qtr.

Bottom line - SLC had trouble with LP's speed for a half, made good adjustments and played very solid after half. ALso remember Abilene High thought their tight end sets would give SLC trouble and it did not. AHS was completely whipped up front - not so true for Lufkin. The Pack was effective enough to score 28, but no experience at qb and a very stingy second half D was plenty enough.

Katy will score and score more than a few points IMO - but, it will be the Katy D that will be put to the max. test.

[BigWhiteJake]

dalton and fuda you mean?

agnew is a bad bad man, and he will be on fuda, so i think mike can at least be kept in check. with benoist, those little roll out to the fullback/tight end plays that are our bread and butter in the red zone might get tougher. andy will be pressured harder than hes ever been until he proves he can handle it, i would say without a doubt they could shut them down completely. however, i would be shocked if katy didnt score 2 tds, and would likewise be surprised if they scored over 4. i know dodge isnt going to let fuda beat him, thats been what teams have been doing, and it works. just drop the safeties and make em earn every yard, that goes for both defenses

[ftballin11]

Good D, not as quick as SV's. Secondary, been burned on multiple occasions. Had Lufkin not lost their QB, the score wouldn't have looked like that. The QB ran all over Cove before getting hurt. He would have been a huge difference in that game vs. SLC. SLC blitzed from the inside backers to put pressure on him and he didn't have near the experience to do the veteran move and tuck it. I am not going to say a prediction on the game, because anything can happen. I am not saying SLC's defense is weak so again, don't send me anthrax in the mail or anything.

[WildcatFan]

ok so there d-line is good and lb's are decent but their secondary seems pretty week.... can they shut down dalton and co.?

Here is where I think Katy has a chance. From what I understand Katy is similar to Plano more of a run-based physical power team.

First Plano probably played the best defensive game of the year against SLC, but they simply got tired towards the end for being on the field the entire second half. As I mentioned earlier if we made offensive adjustments to counter thier defensive adjustements Plano wins that game and SLC knows that.

Should woulda coulda, it didn't happen and Plano lost so for Katy to win take this advice.

1. Play your game bend dont break defensivley
2. Remain poised and give them everything you have offensivley 1st half.
3. Your coaches need to be prepared to adjust offensivley in the 2nd half cuz trust me thier defense will find a way to shut you down no matter how good your backs are and when you go 3 and out in the 2nd half thats when they biatch slap your defense.

Remember they are a spread team and they operate very muck like Texas Tech, they don't have 60-0 scores at half. They wait and turn on the 4,5 and 6th gears in the 2nd half. They will run your defense all over, as you know, so the point is keep the D off the field as much as you can in the second half.

Your coach knows this and that is why you beat them last time.

[Sakatha]

Good D, not as quick as SV's. Secondary, been burned on multiple occasions. Had Lufkin not lost their QB, the score wouldn't have looked like that. The QB ran all over Cove before getting hurt. He would have been a huge difference in that game vs. SLC. SLC blitzed from the inside backers to put pressure on him and he didn't have near the experience to do the veteran move and tuck it. I am not going to say a prediction on the game, because anything can happen. I am not saying SLC's defense is weak so again, don't send me anthrax in the mail or anything.

/anthrax

:)

~DnM

[Favpack]

Here is where I think Katy has a chance. From what I understand Katy is similar to Plano more of a run-based physical power team.

First Plano probably played the best defensive game of the year against SLC, but they simply got tired towards the end for being on the field the entire second half. As I mentioned earlier if we made offensive adjustments to counter thier defensive adjustements Plano wins that game and SLC knows that.

Should woulda coulda, it didn't happen and Plano lost so for Katy to win take this advice.

1. Play your game bend dont break defensivley
2. Remain poised and give them everything you have offensivley 1st half.
3. Your coaches need to be prepared to adjust offensivley in the 2nd half cuz trust me thier defense will find a way to shut you down no matter how good your backs are and when you go 3 and out in the 2nd half thats when they biatch slap your defense.

Remember they are a spread team and they operate very muck like Texas Tech, they don't have 60-0 scores at half. They wait and turn on the 4,5 and 6th gears in the 2nd half. They will run your defense all over, as you know, so the point is keep the D off the field as much as you can in the second half.

Your coach knows this and that is why you beat them last time.
I by and large agree and this is also true for Lufkin. The toll of the past 7 days just drained the life out of the Pack at halftime - and SLC kicked it in and made the kill more than effectively.

[Down n' Out]

Texas-Raised,
You have a good post...Neither team is going to blow out the other. It will be a close game.
What I like about your post is that you are asking for comparisons and the fans will know a lot, especially SLC fans. Since your from Katy you already know your team and what they can do.

[Texas-Raised]

Texas-Raised,
You have a good post...Neither team is going to blow out the other. It will be a close game.
What I like about your post is that you are asking for comparisons and the fans will know a lot, especially SLC fans. Since your from Katy you already know your team and what they can do.

thanks bud but im already takin(girlfriend)

[Sakatha]

thanks bud but im already takin(girlfriend)

That deserves a big 'huh'

~DnM

[Texas-Raised]

no1s talkin to you

[Sakatha]

no1s talkin to you

I guess I can add you to the list of a-hole fans from there..

Sad really, most of you have a ton of class and are adding things to these threads to be constructive.

~DnM

[Texas-Raised]

I'd be honored to be on your list...

[dragonfootballfan]

How good is the Carroll defense?

They shut out Abilene which had a D1 quarterback and receiver and averaged over 40 points a game. I think that speaks for itself

[Texas-Raised]

How good is the Carroll defense?

They shut out Abilene which had a D1 quarterback and receiver and averaged over 40 points a game. I think that speaks for itself

thank you someone with something besides just running their mouth. but quick question can agnew guard fuda or thompson>?

[Sakatha]

thank you someone with something besides just running their mouth. but quick question can agnew guard fuda or thompson>?

I am doubting it'll be just Agnew....

~DnM

[BAMF cowboy]

this is the best defense carroll has had in years. they are well coached and very disciplined. (halftime adjustments the past two games are evident of that). The offense gets all the recognition, but the defense has been lights out this year. You can see it in Dodge's play calling too. He is going for it on fourth down a lot more, knowing that he can rely on his defense if they do not make it. they dont have the biggest, fastest, or strongest guys, but they are excellently coached by Coach Mendoza, and have pitched 4 shutouts...more than in the past 4 years combined.

[dragonfootballfan]

thank you someone with something besides just running their mouth. but quick question can agnew guard fuda or thompson>?
contrary to what most believe will happen, Agnew probably will be playing safety and not man to man with either of those players. I think that Simpson, wo has improved tremendously, will be able to (with help) cover Fuda, while the other corners, Winsett of Ford, will be able to cover thompson. What I am scared about is the play action pass. Carroll has played mostly spread teams all year and has not seen play action out of the I that much. Fuda is so fast, that if he gets one step from play action he will be impossible to stop.

[BAMF cowboy]

thank you someone with something besides just running their mouth. but quick question can agnew guard fuda or thompson>?

count on Scott Simpson covering one of them. Simpson is definitely a very underrated cb, and has been playing amazing this year. He pretty much shut down Dez Bryant in the 2nd half vs. Lufkin, and held Justin Fenty to 1 catch for 5 yards vs. denton ryan. he hasn't drawn a lot of attention to himself, but has very quietly become a top notch cb.

[dragonfootballfan]

this is the best defense carroll has had in years. they are well coached and very disciplined. (halftime adjustments the past two games are evident of that). The offense gets all the recognition, but the defense has been lights out this year. You can see it in Dodge's play calling too. He is going for it on fourth down a lot more, knowing that he can rely on his defense if they do not make it. they dont have the biggest, fastest, or strongest guys, but they are excellently coached by Coach Mendoza, and have pitched 4 shutouts...more than in the past 4 years combined.
I disagree with you on the coaching. Mendoza is a great coach, but he is still learning the ins and outs of being a defensive coordinator. Evidence of this is the slow starts that Carroll has had defensively. I think that he has the ability to fix his gameplan, but has only shown on some games the ability to craft an excellent gameplan from the get go.

[Texas-Raised]

contrary to what most believe will happen, Agnew probably will be playing safety and not man to man with either of those players. I think that Simpson, wo has improved tremendously, will be able to (with help) cover Fuda, while the other corners, Winsett of Ford, will be able to cover thompson. What I am scared about is the play action pass. Carroll has played mostly spread teams all year and has not seen play action out of the I that much. Fuda is so fast, that if he gets one step from play action he will be impossible to stop.

i agree completly just like mouton in 03

[BAMF cowboy]

I disagree with you on the coaching. Mendoza is a great coach, but he is still learning the ins and outs of being a defensive coordinator. Evidence of this is the slow starts that Carroll has had defensively. I think that he has the ability to fix his gameplan, but has only shown on some games the ability to craft an excellent gameplan from the get go.

that's true, but i'm still impressed with the way the defense has turned it around in the 2nd half of the past two games. The abilene game speaks for itself...

[dragonfootballfan]

i agree completly just like mouton in 03
I am sure that Carroll will practice that, but it would not surprise me if they gave up a big play that is similair to that one.

[Favpack]

count on Scott Simpson covering one of them. Simpson is definitely a very underrated cb, and has been playing amazing this year. He pretty much shut down Dez Bryant in the 2nd half vs. Lufkin, and held Justin Fenty to 1 catch for 5 yards vs. denton ryan. he hasn't drawn a lot of attention to himself, but has very quietly become a top notch cb.
Hey Crew - I saw you I guess - one of many pushups you did that day anyway - good job.

Like all the SLC D - Simpson made good adjustments after a rough first half for his standards. I think Dalton to Fuda will possibly be the toughest task for him this year - but that's based on me not having seen Katy. Because Hewitt was injured, Simpson was probably the best cover back on the field this past Saturday.

Maybe you can give better observation - but I honestly don't remember Agnew's name called much, if at all against Lufkin and I thought he was your leading tackler - I just didn't see him much - which can be a good thing for a db - he certainly never got burned on a pass or anything.

[Texas-Raised]

did lenard hewitt play good against yall or what did yall just play the keep away game and throw to where he wasnt??

[dragonfootballfan]

did lenard hewitt play good against yall or what did yall just play the keep away game and throw to where he wasnt??
From what I understand, he was injured and was burned just like the rest of the secondary. Had he been healthy, I am sure that he would have been spectacular.

[Sakatha]

Hewitt's knee is still bad. He won't say it publicly because it's severely effecting his recruiting...

Saying he got torched on Sat isn't really fair to him, I guess.


Saying that, SLC doesn't avoid anyone. I've never seen them throw away from a lockdown CB.

Take last year w/Alton Dixon of Lufkin. Daniel and Renfro picked on him all day long. Save a few crushing tackles from Dixon, he pretty much had to give Renfro whatever Renfro wanted.

Thing is, most of these SLC receivers are good enough to be 'covered' and still make a play on the ball. That was the case w/Dixon and Renfro. Dixon had him blanketed, and it didn't really matter much.

~DnM

[Texas-Raised]

Hewitt's knee is still bad. He won't say it publicly because it's severely effecting his recruiting...

Saying he got torched on Sat isn't really fair to him, I guess.


Saying that, SLC doesn't avoid anyone. I've never seen them throw away from a lockdown CB.

Take last year w/Alton Dixon of Lufkin. Daniel and Renfro picked on him all day long. Save a few crushing tackles from Dixon, he pretty much had to give Renfro whatever Renfro wanted.

Thing is, most of these SLC receivers are good enough to be 'covered' and still make a play on the ball. That was the case w/Dixon and Renfro. Dixon had him blanketed, and it didn't really matter much.

~DnM

when katy played yall in 03 yall didnt throw to our lockdown corner(mouton) yall burned thompson on the first play and then at the end he made you pay for it

[dragonfootballfan]

when katy played yall in 03 yall didnt throw to our lockdown corner(mouton) yall burned thompson on the first play and then at the end he made you pay for it
In '03 Carroll's receivers were not near as good as they are this year. If I remember correctly in that game, Carroll did not throw it near as much as they usually do.

[Sakatha]

when katy played yall in 03 yall didnt throw to our lockdown corner(mouton) yall burned thompson on the first play and then at the end he made you pay for it

In '03, we didn't have the receiving corps that we did last year or this...

Look, you have a great team... Why insist on just runnin' it constantly. Nobody here is saying Katy sucks... I don't think you'll find a single fan in Southlake that REALLY believe this is gonna be a blowout.

~DnM

[Texas-Raised]

maybe not but he said carroll never doesnt throw to a lock-down db

[Texas-Raised]

and we have the same respect for yall but what would this thread be if it wasnt interesting?

[Favpack]

Yeah - Dixon was a safety trying to cover Clint - didn't really work.

The Lufkin db's had decent positioning - but that doesn't matter alot. McKay made two unbelievable catches, but the other long catches/td's were to receivers who had beaten their man by at least a couple of steps. Let's not forget Corbin's td pass was on 4th down - a beautiful post pass/route. The Riley flanker pass was blown coverage - not the first time this year.

I'm thinking Katy will probably cover better - not sure if they get more qb pressure or not - if not, Greg will have a big day.

I can only offer speculation on Leonard - so I'll pass - no pun intended.

[Sakatha]

In '03 Carroll's receivers were not near as good as they are this year. If I remember correctly in that game, Carroll did not throw it near as much as they usually do.

The '03 game was Chase trying to win it all by himself. A year later, and more experienced, he made better decisions in big games.

I think Chase would tell you himself that he had a big part in losing that game. YES there were other factors, but it comes down to Daniel making poor decisions in the first big time game at QB for him...

~DnM

[Sakatha]

maybe not but he said carroll never doesnt throw to a lock-down db

As the previous poster said.. SLC wasn't effective throwing at ALL in that game. I wish I could find a box score..

:(

~DnM

[Sakatha]

Yeah - Dixon was a safety trying to cover Clint - didn't really work.

The Lufkin db's had decent positioning - but that doesn't matter alot. McKay made two unbelievable catches, but the other long catches/td's were to receivers who had beaten their man by at least a couple of steps. Let's not forget Corbin's td pass was on 4th down - a beautiful post pass/route. The Riley flanker pass was blown coverage - not the first time this year.

I'm thinking Katy will probably cover better - not sure if they get more qb pressure or not - if not, Greg will have a big day.

I can only offer speculation on Leonard - so I'll pass - no pun intended.

Dixon played a tremendous game that day, imo. He knocked the snot out of Clint all day long. As with McKay making 2 tremendous grabs on Sat, Clint did the same to Alton that day.

~DnM

[Texas-Raised]

was slc wasnt effective b/c of a great qb or b/c katys defense was great that game?

[Sakatha]

and we have the same respect for yall but what would this thread be if it wasnt interesting?

Stop with the respect BS.. I'll end up liking you(ya, I know.. already taken), and I am more comfortable thinking you are a jerk..

:)

~DnM

[dragonfootballfan]

The point about throwing to a lockdown corner is very important. In 2003 there were no real star wideouts. In all of Carroll's other 5A teams there were receiving crews full of stars, 2002, 2005 especially. I think that with four great wide receivers on the field in Carroll's offense, there is no need to throw at a lockdown corner. Somebody will not have an all star covering them and throw it to them.

[Sakatha]

was slc wasnt effective b/c of a great qb or b/c katys defense was great that game?

Little bit of both...

Katy played out of their minds, in every facet of the game.. Special teams, Offense, Defense.. Clock Control... EVERYTHING...

SLC made some ridiculous mistakes on top of it..

Simply put? Katy deserved to win.

~DnM

[Texas-Raised]

Stop with the respect BS.. I'll end up liking you(ya, I know.. already taken), and I am more comfortable thinking you are a jerk..

:)

~DnM

is this a girl????

[Sakatha]

is this a girl????

That's better... Way to keep the hate flowing.

For clarification, f no.. I am a guy, married to a beautiful wife, w/a son. You know, it's possible to like someone who is of the same sex, and not be gay Mr. Homophobic Wizard.

~DnM

[TXfbfan]

This years katys secondary has more depth on it which is good, but player for player i think 03s secondary was better. You had mouton who was the best cb ive seen in person. Thompson (soph) who didnt no what he was doing yet but a tremendous athlete. Parker and musso who were great tacklers and very smart. Brad gotte who was a captain in 04. I dont no whether its good to have alot of depth or 5 really good ones i guess we will find out.

[dragonfootballfan]

was slc wasnt effective b/c of a great qb or b/c katys defense was great that game?
Carroll was not effective in the passing game because the receivers were not able to get open against Katy's db's allowing the front 5 or 6 to contain Daniel's running. Katy had a great defensive backfield then and they do now. Carroll had ok wideouts then and have great ones now. Katy DB vs. Carroll Receivers is the matchup that will depend on how many points Carroll scores.

Katy O-Line vs. Carroll D-Line will determine how many points Katy scores. I hear that Katy has a great O-Line especially number 76. Do you have any information on them as a group and especially 76 as an individual?

[Texas-Raised]

i agree w/ that but i believe thompson is close to as good mouton was and their d is pretty stacked so we'll see

[dragonfootballfan]

The difference between this game and the 2003 game is that Katy can afford to take more risks, because I feel that if this game turns into an offensive shootout Katy has the weapons in order to keep itself in the game and win. In 2003 Katy had to play ultra conservative, because if it had gotten into a shootout Carroll probably would have ran away with it. It will be interesting to see if Katy takes more risks on both offense and defense this week.

[Texas-Raised]

Carroll was not effective in the passing game because the receivers were not able to get open against Katy's db's allowing the front 5 or 6 to contain Daniel's running. Katy had a great defensive backfield then and they do now. Carroll had ok wideouts then and have great ones now. Katy DB vs. Carroll Receivers is the matchup that will depend on how many points Carroll scores.

Katy O-Line vs. Carroll D-Line will determine how many points Katy scores. I hear that Katy has a great O-Line especially number 76. Do you have any information on them as a group and especially 76 as an individual?

Jacob Straka- senior o lineman wgt-285 very strong

[BigWhiteJake]

cody lopasky #57 is the best offensive lineman, hes the center, but joey welch, jake straka and bryan ferris are close behind

[Texas-Raised]

go to http://www.reynaphoto.com

[Down n' Out]

That's better... Way to keep the hate flowing.

For clarification, f no.. I am a guy, married to a beautiful wife, w/a son. You know, it's possible to like someone who is of the same sex, and not be gay Mr. Homophobic Wizard.

~DnM
I think he's got you nailed...You are homophobic...
BUT...This is a good thread nad you are raising interesting points...stick to it.

[DrgnFan]

This is the BEST DEFENSE southlake has ever had. I will go so far as to say this is the best football team all around that southlake has ever had. This defense has been challenged this year with Abileen, Plano, Lufkin ( just to name a few). Katy's O will be no challenge for this southlake defense.

[Texas-Raised]

This is the BEST DEFENSE southlake has ever had. I will go so far as to say this is the best football team all around that southlake has ever had. This defense has been challenged this year with Abileen, Plano, Lufkin ( just to name a few). Katy's O will be no challenge for this southlake defense.


lmao are u joking?? southlake for 1 is never known for its defense so saying its their best d ever really isnt saying much for 2 katys o has seen waaay better defense than were going to see saturday....next

[baldtiger15]

lmao are u joking?? southlake for 1 is never known for its defense so saying its their best d ever really isnt saying much for 2 katys o has seen waaay better defense than were going to see saturday....next

good pt Tex- just look at the numbers- granted SLC can allow more points and yds against them per game, since they throw up huge numbers. I hope they don't become the Texas Tech of HS football.

[DC2145]

I disagree with you on the coaching. Mendoza is a great coach, but he is still learning the ins and outs of being a defensive coordinator. Evidence of this is the slow starts that Carroll has had defensively. I think that he has the ability to fix his gameplan, but has only shown on some games the ability to craft an excellent gameplan from the get go.

I think shutting out three playoff teams in the first half would be an indication of an excellent game plan. Some times the other team does not do what you had expected. Then you make the adjustments a half - last two games. It is true I would like to see a shut out in the first half, but I will take the half time adjustments if the results are the same as the last two games.

[SLCDad]

lmao are u joking?? southlake for 1 is never known for its defense so saying its their best d ever really isnt saying much for 2 katys o has seen waaay better defense than were going to see saturday....nextWhat a crock!!!

Katy's strength of schedule ranks 41st in 5A (including their play-off games.) SLC's strengh of schedule ranks 10th.

SLC's defense probably plays 35%+MORE plays each game than Katy's. Why? SLC scores so fast the defense comes back out quickly. Also, with a pass oriented offense the clock is stopped often so many more plays happen in a game compared to games involving rushing oriented offenses.

SLC's defense is as good as any in Texas. Just ask all of the highly ranked teams that SLC has beaten this year.

[Texas-Raised]

please tell me you dont think its going to be a shutout the first half? once again no credit where credit is due...

[Texas-Raised]

What a crock!!!

Katy's strength of schedule ranks 41st in 5A (including their play-off games.) SLC's strengh of schedule ranks 10th.

SLC's defense probably plays 35%+MORE plays each game than Katy's. Why? SLC scores so fast the defense comes back out quickly. Also, with a pass oriented offense the clock is stopped often so many more plays happen in a game compared to games involving rushing oriented offenses.

SLC's defense is as good as any in Texas. Just ask all of the highly ranked teams that SLC has beaten this year.

all these stats mean absolutly nothing now!! i give yall credit im not saying that they're bad just not as good as katys yalls secondary is weak

[dragonfootballfan]

I think shutting out three playoff teams in the first half would be an indication of an excellent game plan. Some times the other team does not do what you had expected. Then you make the adjustments a half - last two games. It is true I would like to see a shut out in the first half, but I will take the half time adjustments if the results are the same as the last two games.
That is why I said that he is still learning. He has shown what he can do once he starts getting more consistent.

[dragonfootballfan]

all these stats mean absolutly nothing now!! i give yall credit im not saying that they're bad just not as good as katys yalls secondary is weak
why is the secondary weak? The did shutdown a division 1 quarterback throwing to a division 1 receiver

[Texas-Raised]

why is the secondary weak? The did shutdown a division 1 quarterback throwing to a division 1 receiver

its yalls weakest postion besides Special teams last week katy shut down a D-1 reciever also... im just saying all that doesnt matter..agree???

[slcgrad]

good pt Tex- just look at the numbers- granted SLC can allow more points and yds against them per game, since they throw up huge numbers. I hope they don't become the Texas Tech of HS football.

LOL - Texas Tech - decent team who scores a lot Southlake Carroll - Best 4 year stretch in Texas 5a football history.

Southlake has been the USC of HS football . . . :D

[dragonfootballfan]

its yalls weakest postion besides Special teams last week katy shut down a D-1 reciever also... im just saying all that doesnt matter..agree???
just because you think it is the weakest position does not mean that it is weak. So why do you think it is weak?

[Texas-Raised]

LOL - Texas Tech - decent team who scores a lot Southlake Carroll - Best 4 year stretch in Texas 5a football history.

Southlake has been the USC of HS football . . . :D

except the whole reggie bush heismen thing

[G@rr3tt Un!t57]

Their D is great. I can't say it any other way. I know the games at times look close, but don't let the amount of point scored against them fool you. They will show up on Saturday. I would be shocked to see Katy score more than twice against the Carroll defense.
im predicting katy scores three times possibly a field goal but carroll's gonna score 5 times with a field goal in the beginning and to of their td's will be in the 2nd half.

[Texas-Raised]

just because you think it is the weakest position does not mean that it is weak. So why do you think it is weak?

yall give up alot of points and have been losing at halftime twice. yall were losing 20-3 against plano in the first half....

[G@rr3tt Un!t57]

its yalls weakest postion besides Special teams last week katy shut down a D-1 reciever also... im just saying all that doesnt matter..agree???
we dont have a bunch of d-1 receivers just a bunch of skinny fast kids with goods hands lol

[Texas-Raised]

so... yalls defense is good but saying there great and the best ever is a little exageration

[Texas-Raised]

we dont have a bunch of d-1 receivers just a bunch of skinny fast kids with goods hands lol

this is true but what happens after these skinny white kids are getting hit in the mouth every play by not so skinny white and black kids? ill tell you they get scared and start droping the ball

[Sakatha]

this is true but what happens after these skinny white kids are getting hit in the mouth every play by not so skinny white and black kids? ill tell you they get scared and start droping the ball

Guess what... Lufkin's secondary is > yours... Sorry... Try again...

~DnM

[dragonfootballfan]

yall give up alot of points and have been losing at halftime twice. yall were losing 20-3 against plano in the first half....
Carroll has given up 15.73 points per game
Katy has given up 10.64 points per game

Carroll was down against an undefeated Plano team. Katy was down by 18 to a 9-5 cypress falls team. I guess Katy has a bad secondary too.

[dragonfootballfan]

this is true but what happens after these skinny white kids are getting hit in the mouth every play by not so skinny white and black kids? ill tell you they get scared and start droping the ball
I guess in the past 15 games nobody has tried to do this

[Sakatha]

yall give up alot of points and have been losing at halftime twice. yall were losing 20-3 against plano in the first half....

That's odd.. I could've SWORN SLC started that game 13-0...

You need to get your facts straight.

~DnM

[Sakatha]

I guess in the past 15 games nobody has tried to do this

I think 15 isn't really far enough back.. Probably 31-ish... :)

~DnM

[Texas-Raised]

Guess what... Lufkin's secondary is > yours... Sorry... Try again...

~DnM

guess what... if Lufkin had their stating QB yall wouldnt be here!...sorry try again

[dragonfootballfan]

guess what... if Lufkin had their stating QB yall wouldnt be here!...sorry try again
why?

[Sakatha]

guess what... if Lufkin had their stating QB yall wouldnt be here!...sorry try again

Poll Lufkin fans on that one. It would've been closer, but last time I checked Lufkin's QB didn't play defense...

LOL @ the fact that you didn't even try to argue against it. You just stuck your tongue out and threw a 'what if' scenario at me.. Solid job.

~DnM

[Texas-Raised]

ok let me get this staight yall let up about 16 ppg and we let up about 10 ppg hmmm...thats a TD isnt it man its funny how things work out!

[SLCDad]

all these stats mean absolutly nothing now!! i give yall credit im not saying that they're bad just not as good as katys yalls secondary is weakThis turkey has no clue. He really doesn't have any idea what he is talking about.

[Texas-Raised]

Poll Lufkin fans on that one. It would've been closer, but last time I checked Lufkin's QB didn't play defense...

LOL @ the fact that you didn't even try to argue against it. You just stuck your tongue out and threw a 'what if' scenario at me.. Solid job.

~DnM


your right he doesnt but with him in the game LP would of had more ball control and better game plan to keep your O off the field to change the game alot

[Texas-Raised]

This turkey has no clue. He really doesn't have any idea what he is talking about.

turkey? good choice of words... in no way am i saying yall are a bad team or anything just that your special teams and secondary is yalls weak point ....if yall cant agree with that then yall are just too bias

[Sakatha]

your right he doesnt but with him in the game LP would of had more ball control and better game plan to keep your O off the field to change the game alot

Punctuation, spell checker, and sentence structure are your friends...

After fighting through that, I am guessing you are saying Lufkin wins w/their starting QB... I still say they don't, but we'll never know..

Go play another game and check your PPG average then.

~DnM

[Texas-Raised]

Punctuation, spell checker, and sentence structure are your friends...

After fighting through that, I am guessing you are saying Lufkin wins w/their starting QB... I still say they don't, but we'll never know..

Go play another game and check your PPG average then.

~DnM

ok im sorry im not using perfect punctuation on a 5atexasfootball post i forgot these are due tomorrow in english class for a grade?? anyways back to football go play another game...im sorry we wanted that hurricane to come ? are you serious?

[baldtiger15]

ok let me get this staight yall let up about 16 ppg and we let up about 10 ppg hmmm...thats a TD isnt it man its funny how things work out!

Yep, gobble gobble. I'm through with serious legit posting until after the game. I honestly don't think there is any aspect of this matchup that hasn't been discussed and cussed 3 times over. See you guys at the game.

[Texas-Raised]

Yep, gobble gobble. I'm through with serious legit posting until after the game. I honestly don't think there is any aspect of this matchup that hasn't been discussed and cussed 3 times over. See you guys at the game.

great point lets just leave all the SLC fans on here so they no-1 to argue with

[Sakatha]

great point lets just leave all the SLC fans on here so they no-1 to argue with

Good lord, man.. It's not about if this is for class or not. That's not even English.......... It takes just as much time to type 'no one' as it does to type 'no-1'..


If you think playing one less game wouldn't affect your PPG average, then I assume you know that Katy would've won the makeup-game by a score of whatever to 10.4??

~DnM

[dragonfootballfan]

ok let me get this staight yall let up about 16 ppg and we let up about 10 ppg hmmm...thats a TD isnt it man its funny how things work out!
Carroll's opponents are averaging 30.265 points per game
Katy's opponents are averaging 22.165 points per game.

Thats a TD isnt it man its funny how things work out!

[Texas-Raised]

Carroll's opponents are averaging 30.265 points per game
Katy's opponents are averaging 22.165 points per game.

Thats a TD isnt it man its funny how things work out!

isnt that better for us??good "one"

[Sakatha]

isnt that better for us??good "one"

No, DA, it means that teams Katy has played are more anemic offensively...

You just managed to lose what LITTLE bit of credibility you had left.

~DnM

[dragonfootballfan]

isnt that better for us??good "one"
lets see,

Carroll's defense plays against teams that usually score 30 points per game.

Katy plays against teams that usually score 22 points per game.

So Katy's defense has gone up against teams that score one less touchdown a game than Carroll's defense. I don't know how you can use that to say that Katy's defense is better.

[Texas-Raised]

No, DA, it means that teams Katy has played are more anemic offensively...

You just managed to lose what LITTLE bit of credibility you had left.

~DnM

ok i see i thought he meant against them...my bad i do see where i was wrong there just read it too quick...but calling me a DA wow i guess we could just handle this sat.

[Sakatha]

ok i see i thought he meant against them...my bad i do see where i was wrong there just read it too quick...but calling me a DA wow i guess we could just handle this sat.

Ya, okay.. Maybe a bit harsh, but man your arguments on this thread have been shot down left and right... You've even been caught defending things that have been proven wrong statistically..

~DnM

p.s. I apologize for the DA thing...

[insider]

The only teams that matter are the ones going onto the field Saturday...

[Texas-Raised]

thats the only one. the other stat was that yall let up 16 ppg and we let up 10... thats true
look at how many times we have kept teams out of double digits

[KT2000]

The funny thing about all of these threads is that the records/stats/schedule strength/etc. don't mean much (if anything at all) when that ball is kicked off on Saturday.

I've seen very few long time SLC or Katy posters talking it up this week. It's mostly newer members.

Right now, both Katy and Southlake Carroll are convinced they have winning gameplans. Who is going to execute their plan best on Saturday? We'll find out in about 46 hours.

[Texas-Raised]

all these stats mean absolutly nothing now!! i give yall credit im not saying that they're bad just not as good as katys yalls secondary is weak


exactly! thank you katy2000

[SLCDad]

The funny thing about all of these threads is that the records/stats/schedule strength/etc. don't mean much (if anything at all) when that ball is kicked off on Saturday.

I've seen very few long time SLC or Katy posters talking it up this week. It's mostly newer members.

Right now, both Katy and Southlake Carroll are convinced they have winning gameplans. Who is going to execute their plan best on Saturday? We'll find out in about 46 hours.Are you suggesting we all just shut-up and wait for the game?

Stats, records, strength of schedule, etc ALL mean something. They can be a good indicator of how good a team is.

Of course they don't score touchdowns once the game starts (everybody knows that) but until that happens these are only real facts that we have.

I much prefer looking at stats, records, schedules, etc. rather than listening to a bunch silly opinions given most often by posters who have no clue.

[insider]

Are you suggesting we all just shut-up and wait for the game?

Stats, records, strength of schedule, etc ALL mean something. They can be a good indicator of how good a team is.

Of course they don't score touchdowns once the game starts (everybody knows that) but until that happens these are only real facts that we have.

I much prefer looking at stats, records, schedules, etc. rather than listening to a bunch silly opinions given most often by posters who have no clue.

So maybe we could provide some clues?

And if posters were to i.m. would they be imposters?

:eek: just a bit of humor - but sometimes this board doesn't get it :eek:

[dragonfly]

I heard throughout the season all about Lufkin's secondary and not a whole lot about Katy's. All of the sudden I am hearing how great Katy's secondary is. If people were talking about Katy's secondary earlier, maybe I wasn't listening. My question is, how does Katy's secondary compare to Plano's and Lufkins's if anyone has seen them.

[toonman]

I heard throughout the season all about Lufkin's secondary and not a whole lot about Katy's. All of the sudden I am hearing how great Katy's secondary is. If people were talking about Katy's secondary earlier, maybe I wasn't listening. My question is, how does Katy's secondary compare to Plano's and Lufkins's if anyone has seen them.

A good question - because Lufkin's was ripped to shreads by SLC.

[Favpack]

Not having seen them this year, but familiar with Thompson and co. - far superior to Lufkin in pass coverage. Lufkin's D was plenty good, but it really feasted on slow developing, run-oriented offenses - not exactly SLC.

SLC did what I thought it would - expose Lufkin's mediocre pass defense and gullibility on trick plays (Dodge pass). I was hoping our pass rush would negate that - it really didn't.

Katy will be in for a very long day if it can't keep with the wide-outs.

[dragonsdaddy]

The point about throwing to a lockdown corner is very important. In 2003 there were no real star wideouts. In all of Carroll's other 5A teams there were receiving crews full of stars, 2002, 2005 especially. I think that with four great wide receivers on the field in Carroll's offense, there is no need to throw at a lockdown corner. Somebody will not have an all star covering them and throw it to them.
slc doesn't throw to or away from db's. they throw to open receivers. i would have thrown 20 passes towards w thompson in the 03 game, as it was obvious he was the weaker cb on the field. i have watched that game a couple of times and we should have tested him again, esp stops and outs before the last drive and his miraculous play on the poorly thrown and conceived ball.

[Down n' Out]

Katy's DB's are great...You have Will Thompson, Darren Konesheck, Morris Arnold and an array of other great covers. It will be the best that SLC has seen. This is not a Katy weakness.

[pack0808]

Yeah - Dixon was a safety trying to cover Clint - didn't really work.

The Lufkin db's had decent positioning - but that doesn't matter alot. McKay made two unbelievable catches, but the other long catches/td's were to receivers who had beaten their man by at least a couple of steps. Let's not forget Corbin's td pass was on 4th down - a beautiful post pass/route. The Riley flanker pass was blown coverage - not the first time this year.

I'm thinking Katy will probably cover better - not sure if they get more qb pressure or not - if not, Greg will have a big day.

I can only offer speculation on Leonard - so I'll pass - no pun intended.

Well i can tell you for a fact what was wrong with him. Sure his knee is not completely healed yet. He tore his ACL completely not long ago. I heard Outlaw on espn 1260 say Hewitt pulled his groin a few weeks before the SLC game. ( same tiime span that i did not recognize him) and they did not want to release the info because they did not want a team to exploit it. You cannot avoid SLC exploiting a hurt cb.

On the thread, SLC is solid and disciplined with good but not great defensive speed. They make great 2nd half adjustments. Definitely a top 10 defense this year. They are not anything super special but they are very good and solid defense. Just going by a few games.