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F18mustang
03-04-2009, 11:07 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3953647

The Dallas Cowboys have released controversial wide receiver Terrell Owens, sources told ESPN's Michael Smith late Wednesday.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones did not deny the team is discussing the possible release of Owens in late February.

"That Stephen and I were debating about Terrell, that's just misinformation," Jones said regarding his son, Cowboys vice president Stephen Jones at the time. "That's just not accurate. I don't know where that comes from. That's just total misinformation."

The Cowboys paid Owens a $12 million signing bonus just last year, included as part of a new four-year, $34 million deal.

Owens caught 69 passes for 1,052 yards and 10 touchdowns this season.

Crab in Cowboy uniform=win.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-04-2009, 11:18 PM
per sportscenter.


Link coming!

Wow! This has me pumped, about damn time!

Crab in Cowboy uniform=win.

Unfortunately, Crab won't last that long. But, one can only wish!

Dawg Fan
03-04-2009, 11:23 PM
well we finally got rid of the cancer, but can we recover from the disease?
I am sure he will go to some team like the Giants (who are in serious need for a receiver) and probably not drop passes there. I personally think he is a good receiver but never has been a great receiver. Maybe we can get Boldin from Arizona

NBC_43
03-04-2009, 11:23 PM
Maclin, Harvin anyone?

F18mustang
03-04-2009, 11:25 PM
Maclin, Harvin anyone?

Nah, Boldin plz.


kthnks

Dawg Fan
03-04-2009, 11:33 PM
What about Braylon Edwards?

DragonBand06
03-04-2009, 11:36 PM
Ding Dong, T.O. is GONE!!! :D

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-04-2009, 11:44 PM
What about Braylon Edwards?

Is Cleveland going to trade, or cut him?

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-04-2009, 11:45 PM
For some reason, I have a feeling that T.O. keeps making his rounds around the division, and ends up in Washington.

StrongDog
03-04-2009, 11:53 PM
I think this was a necessary move if Dallas wanted to clean up the locker room problems and improve team chemistry. Does any one think this could make way for Roy Williams given he has the off season to get better acquainted with the system and with Romo? But, it will never happen if the o-line doesn't improve and stop killing drives with penalties, Flozell in particular.

SGP 06 Alumni
03-05-2009, 04:38 AM
I am personally happy with this move, but it came a year too late. We signed him to a 4 year 34 million dollar extension last off-season. That is going to hurt almost 15 million against the cap this year with his bonus that he is due. We already don't have a lot of cap space. I hope we can get Maclin or Harvin in the second round. I doubt it, but I hope so. Maclin is probably a first round pick. We probably don't have enough money to trade or sign a WR in FA. Oh well, all in all, good move by cutting the cancer. He was killing the team chemistry...

slorch
03-05-2009, 05:31 AM
What about Braylon Edwards?

Class guy on a sucky team...

Don't think Cleveland would let him go, but i wouldn't mind seeing him in blue and silver.

15Adragon
03-05-2009, 07:03 AM
He will not be missed by anyone except the folks working the sideline cameras and the talking heads. What will they have to talk about now... I was getting pretty tired of the saga. You can live with stuff like that when you are winning, but they weren't.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 07:09 AM
well we finally got rid of the cancer, but can we recover from the disease?
I am sure he will go to some team like the Giants (who are in serious need for a receiver) and probably not drop passes there. I personally think he is a good receiver but never has been a great receiver. Maybe we can get Boldin from Arizona

3 teams and 12 years of tape say that won't be the case. He's always had poor hands and, since he left Rice's tutelage, hasn't run routes with any level of precision.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 07:12 AM
Maclin, Harvin anyone?

Nah, Boldin plz.


kthnks

Dallas has neither the cao room or the ammo for a Boldin move. Maclin and Harvin will be off the board between the 10th and 20th picks. With all of the other positions we need to build our depth in(ol,db,dl), I just don't see Dallas giving up any of their picks to move up that high.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 07:15 AM
What about Braylon Edwards?

Is Cleveland going to trade, or cut him?

Everyone not named Joe Thomas is available in Cleveland right now. Riddle me this, though. Why would we get rid of one loud mouthed wr with skillets for hands and then turn around and add another? The only reason is his youth, period, and that's just not a good enough reason. If it were a firesale and all it cost was a 3rd or fourth round pick, perhaps, but it won't be. Also, Dallas has no wiggle room against the cap if they get Ware signed this offseason. We cannot take on another big salary.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 07:17 AM
For some reason, I have a feeling that T.O. keeps making his rounds around the division, and ends up in Washington.

Zorn won't touch him.

aclb
03-05-2009, 07:19 AM
well we finally got rid of the cancer, but can we recover from the disease?
I am sure he will go to some team like the Giants (who are in serious need for a receiver) and probably not drop passes there. I personally think he is a good receiver but never has been a great receiver. Maybe we can get Boldin from Arizona

Boldin = TO

I see the Cowboys making a trade for another WR.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 07:23 AM
I think this was a necessary move if Dallas wanted to clean up the locker room problems and improve team chemistry. Does any one think this could make way for Roy Williams given he has the off season to get better acquainted with the system and with Romo? But, it will never happen if the o-line doesn't improve and stop killing drives with penalties, Flozell in particular.

I think what it does for you, on the field, is allow for the offense to play to it's strength. Dallas has a power line, the best young rb rotation in this league and the ultimate weapon at tight end. If Garret has a brain in his red head he see's the chance to return to the offense of the 90's. We can now focus on wearing defenses out, working the middle and picking our spots with a big, sure handed, play maker on the outside. You also cut you int total in half because your qb is no longer forcing balls to a guy and your running game is opening up all the passing lanes. By releaseing TO you can now unleash an entire offense without fear of locker room armageddon. How do you think the sharing of the ball and increased production will do everyone's confidence?

4th and 1
03-05-2009, 07:23 AM
Cowboys are better off without TO. Hopefully they can begin rebuilding the "team" concept now. It's a step in the right direction.

15Adragon
03-05-2009, 07:25 AM
I think what it does for you, on the field, is allow for the offense to play to it's strength. Dallas has a power line, the best young rb rotation in this league and the ultimate weapon at tight end. If Garret has a brain in his red head he see's the chance to return to the offense of the 90's. We can now focus on wearing defenses out, working the middle and picking our spots with a big, sure handed, play maker on the outside. You also cut you int total in half because your qb is no longer forcing balls to a guy and your running game is opening up all the passing lanes. By releaseing TO you can now unleash an entire offense without fear of locker room armageddon. How do you think the sharing of the ball and increased production will do everyone's confidence?

this.

Dawg Fan
03-05-2009, 07:27 AM
I think what it does for you, on the field, is allow for the offense to play to it's strength. Dallas has a power line, the best young rb rotation in this league and the ultimate weapon at tight end. If Garret has a brain in his red head he see's the chance to return to the offense of the 90's. We can now focus on wearing defenses out, working the middle and picking our spots with a big, sure handed, play maker on the outside. You also cut you int total in half because your qb is no longer forcing balls to a guy and your running game is opening up all the passing lanes. By releaseing TO you can now unleash an entire offense without fear of locker room armageddon. How do you think the sharing of the ball and increased production will do everyone's confidence?

this

SLC93
03-05-2009, 07:28 AM
I am personally happy with this move, but it came a year too late. We signed him to a 4 year 34 million dollar extension last off-season. That is going to hurt almost 15 million against the cap this year with his bonus that he is due. We already don't have a lot of cap space. I hope we can get Maclin or Harvin in the second round. I doubt it, but I hope so. Maclin is probably a first round pick. We probably don't have enough money to trade or sign a WR in FA. Oh well, all in all, good move by cutting the cancer. He was killing the team chemistry...

We don't have alot of cap space if the Boys sign Ware this offseason. All indications are that they will so I agree with you on that point. He's nowhere near a 15 million dollar hit, however. By releasing TO his cap number for this season on goes up 680,000 dollars. So, capwise, that is not a big hit. What is tough is having 9.6 million is "dead" money on the cap. This was the biggest reason why I thought Jerry would not make this move this season. That is an awful lot of money to be paying someone that is catching balls for another team. It was the right move but a tough one. The good news is that after this season he's completely off our books.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 07:31 AM
Class guy on a sucky team...

Don't think Cleveland would let him go, but i wouldn't mind seeing him in blue and silver.

In the community, definitely, but he sure did have his issues last season on the field and in that locker room.

dragonsdaddy
03-05-2009, 07:33 AM
Cowboys are better off without TO. Hopefully they can begin rebuilding the "team" concept now. It's a step in the right direction.

now if we could fire the double dipping gm/owner. stick with something he knows like the oil bidness.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 07:36 AM
He will not be missed by anyone except the folks working the sideline cameras and the talking heads. What will they have to talk about now... I was getting pretty tired of the saga. You can live with stuff like that when you are winning, but they weren't.

That's a great point. I'm at my wits end with most of the media, in general. TO is a great reason why. They created him. They gave him his platform. They incessantly cover him when he's good, even more when he's bad and let's not even talk about their craze when their is silence ...... but they all bash him. They all trash him. He is ridiculed down the line and to the man. It's like a junkie and his spike. They can't quit him.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 07:43 AM
Boldin = TO
I see the Cowboys making a trade for another WR.

You haven't been paying attention to Boldin's career much. He's the anti TO. Given the fact that he's had to endure the Bidwell's for years, I'll cut him some slack. He had one, poorly timed flare up. His team mates love him, his work ethic is unquestioned, his production is only rivaled by Fitzgerald, he plays hurt, he catched everything and he's rarely seen or heard by the media.

The Boys do not have the $$$ or the ammo to get a big trade done. I could see them bringing in a veteran to fill a role but that is the extent of it.

CCCSportsFan
03-05-2009, 07:45 AM
Wow, sounds like Jerry finally down... Anyone happen to hear Roger and Troy on Galloway's show last week? Both kept harping on team chemistry has to be fixed for the Cowboys to move forward. It was real easy to see this was their indirect answer to the questions about T.O.

SLC
03-05-2009, 07:56 AM
Well, on one hand we get rid of a player that for two seasons kept his mouth shut and played like an all pro that everyone knows he can be, and then in the third season became the distraction that we all knew we could be...and had the feeling he would be. All he had to do was remain the same guy that he was in the first two seasons and we would have likely seen him finish his career as a Cowboy.

So we get rid of distractions by releasing him..+1...We at the same time lose anywhere from 70-100 catches and 8-15 tds as well as a player that accounted for a conerback and a safety on almost every play, which in turn opened up plays for Witten, the #2 and #3 reciever and the RB...That will not be replaced easily at all..There is almost no one we can sign that will command the attention of a safety and a CB. Our offense as it sits right this very second, cannot and will not be better, infact is will likely suffer because of one player missing from the scheme.

I'm seriously torn right now..I wanted badly for TO to straighten up and do right, because nobody can deny what he does do and can do when he is on his best behavior and on the other hand he simply could not be allowed to tear appart what TEAM chemistry we have going...One bad apple cannot not EVER be allowed to spoil the bunch and thus since he wasnt going to fly right must be shown the door.

So now its who will we get? TJ whosyourmomma would have been a great choice, but obviously that wont happen now.

Here are a few available...

Jabar Gaffney
Brandon Jones
Ashley Lelie
Koren Robinson
Amani Toomer
Shaun McDonald
Devery Henderson
Bobby Engram
Marvin Harrison

There are others as well..in fact in another thread I listed quite a few which included several of these same names. My personal prefference would be Marvin Harrison...Huge team player, very big locker room guy, hard worker, and a big catch player...has age, but can still play at a high level...wouldn't cost us a boat load of money either.

SLC
03-05-2009, 08:00 AM
Zorn won't touch him.


Zorn is a robot to the medling owner named Jerry Jones...er um..I mean Daniel Snyder.

15Adragon
03-05-2009, 08:01 AM
Well, on one hand we get rid of a player that for two seasons kept his mouth shut and played like an all pro that everyone knows he can be, and then in the third season became the distraction that we all knew we could be...and had the feeling he would be. All he had to do was remain the same guy that he was in the first two seasons and we would have likely seen him finish his career as a Cowboy.

So we get rid of distractions by releasing him..+1...We at the same time lose anywhere from 70-100 catches and 8-15 tds as well as a player that accounted for a conerback and a safety on almost every play, which in turn opened up plays for Witten, the #2 and #3 reciever and the RB...That will not be replaced easily at all..There is almost no one we can sign that will command the attention of a safety and a CB. Our offense as it sits right this very second, cannot and will not be better, infact is will likely suffer because of one player missing from the scheme.

I'm seriously torn right now..I wanted badly for TO to straighten up and do right, because nobody can deny what he does do and can do when he is on his best behavior and on the other hand he simply could not be allowed to tear appart what TEAM chemistry we have going...One bad apple cannot not EVER be allowed to spoil the bunch and thus since he wasnt going to fly right must be shown the door.

So now its who will we get? TJ whosyourmomma would have been a great choice, but obviously that wont happen now.

Here are a few available...

Jabar Gaffney
Brandon Jones
Ashley Lelie
Koren Robinson
Amani Toomer
Shaun McDonald
Devery Henderson
Bobby Engram
Marvin Harrison

There are others as well..in fact in another thread I listed quite a few which included several of these same names. My personal prefference would be Marvin Harrison...Huge team player, very big locker room guy, hard worker, and a big catch player...has age, but can still play at a high level...wouldn't cost us a boat load of money either.

I like the idea of changing our O to reflect the fact that we have 3 really good RB's and a large O-line that can run block better than they can pass block. We have a couple of strong pass catching TE's and several WR pieces. I like this mix. F. Jones might also have the potential to be a slot WR in certain situations. Interesting mix...

Dawg Fan
03-05-2009, 08:02 AM
So you think Roy Williams can't have a big impact at receiver for the boys? He has got some of the best hands in the league but you would never know it seeing how Romo never threw to him. TO being gone is going to show that we won't lose a thing with Roy there and it is not like the cupboard is bare receiver wise. BTW, do you really believe Jones would have gotten rid of TO without some other receiver deal cooking? Jones is a football idiot but is a pretty good businessman. You don't get rid of a big player witout any kind of backup plan. Then again maybe I am giving him to much credit.

dragonsdaddy
03-05-2009, 08:04 AM
Well, on one hand we get rid of a player that for two seasons kept his mouth shut and played like an all pro that everyone knows he can be, and then in the third season became the distraction that we all knew we could be...and had the feeling he would be. All he had to do was remain the same guy that he was in the first two seasons and we would have likely seen him finish his career as a Cowboy.

So we get rid of distractions by releasing him..+1...We at the same time lose anywhere from 70-100 catches and 8-15 tds as well as a player that accounted for a conerback and a safety on almost every play, which in turn opened up plays for Witten, the #2 and #3 reciever and the RB...That will not be replaced easily at all..There is almost no one we can sign that will command the attention of a safety and a CB. Our offense as it sits right this very second, cannot and will not be better, infact is will likely suffer because of one player missing from the scheme.

I'm seriously torn right now..I wanted badly for TO to straighten up and do right, because nobody can deny what he does do and can do when he is on his best behavior and on the other hand he simply could not be allowed to tear appart what TEAM chemistry we have going...One bad apple cannot not EVER be allowed to spoil the bunch and thus since he wasnt going to fly right must be shown the door.

So now its who will we get? TJ whosyourmomma would have been a great choice, but obviously that wont happen now.

Here are a few available...

Jabar Gaffney
Brandon Jones
Ashley Lelie
Koren Robinson
Amani Toomer
Shaun McDonald
Devery Henderson
Bobby Engram
Marvin Harrison

There are others as well..in fact in another thread I listed quite a few which included several of these same names. My personal prefference would be Marvin Harrison...Huge team player, very big locker room guy, hard worker, and a big catch player...has age, but can still play at a high level...wouldn't cost us a boat load of money either.
plaxico might fill-in for to in many respects.we don't need to replace the cancer, but he surely could.

SLC
03-05-2009, 08:17 AM
I like the idea of changing our O to reflect the fact that we have 3 really good RB's and a large O-line that can run block better than they can pass block. We have a couple of strong pass catching TE's and several WR pieces. I like this mix. F. Jones might also have the potential to be a slot WR in certain situations. Interesting mix...


You must remember that the Cowboys rushing yards average per carry went up dramatically when TO came to the Cowboys...Thats no coencidence whatsoever...TO accounts for two players when he's on the field...He doesnt allow for the safety to creep to the LOS, even in obvious running situations... I also think most people see the big O line as meaning a good run blocking O line...while they are better at run blocking than pass blocking for sure..They are not marketably better in that area. In fact it would do the Cowboys a big service to start getting away from the big guys on the O line and move to a zone blocking scheme with slightly lighter O linemen..maybe 20 - 30 pounds lighter...When Shanahan gets here, he will move us in that direction anyway.

SLC
03-05-2009, 08:31 AM
So you think Roy Williams can't have a big impact at receiver for the boys? He has got some of the best hands in the league but you would never know it seeing how Romo never threw to him. TO being gone is going to show that we won't lose a thing with Roy there and it is not like the cupboard is bare receiver wise. BTW, do you really believe Jones would have gotten rid of TO without some other receiver deal cooking? Jones is a football idiot but is a pretty good businessman. You don't get rid of a big player witout any kind of backup plan. Then again maybe I am giving him to much credit.


I'm not sold on Roy being a true #1 reciever...He almost perfectly fits as a #2 starter..I think he can have a big impact, but for Roy to be really effective he needs another very good reciever on the field with him...And now, outside of Roy, we dont have that kind of player on the roster..I think Jerry, as you suggest, likely has a plan to get another WR.

SLC
03-05-2009, 08:36 AM
plaxico might fill-in for to in many respects.we don't need to replace the cancer, but he surely could.

He certainly could...The OTF issues would be a huge concern as well as what would have to be given up to the Giants in order to make that possible...Plax has had issues at both teams he has played for, thus its rather unlikely we would get rid of one problem and get another, though Jerry certainly shocked us all by getting Pacman and TO...so nothing will ever shock me again with JJ.

15Adragon
03-05-2009, 08:44 AM
He certainly could...The OTF issues would be a huge concern as well as what would have to be given up to the Giants in order to make that possible...Plax has had issues at both teams he has played for, thus its rather unlikely we would get rid of one problem and get another, though Jerry certainly shocked us all by getting Pacman and TO...so nothing will ever shock me again with JJ.

No way. We just did a purge. This is Romo's chance to lead the offense. We need Miles Austin or one of the other guys to step up. We need to get creative with RB's. Those guys can all run and catch. Also, Hurd could be a slightly smaller PLax starter kit which we could use in certain situations.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 08:47 AM
Zorn is a robot to the medling owner named Jerry Jones...er um..I mean Daniel Snyder.

Well, danny boy is out of money. He's shot his wad. TO is Oakland bound!

SLC
03-05-2009, 08:52 AM
Well, danny boy is out of money. He's shot his wad. TO is Oakland bound!


That would certainly not shock me at all....Al Davis is the nursing home version of Jerry Jones....and Jerry is the cane version of Daniel Snyder.:D

SLC
03-05-2009, 08:54 AM
No way. We just did a purge. This is Romo's chance to lead the offense. We need Miles Austin or one of the other guys to step up. We need to get creative with RB's. Those guys can all run and catch. Also, Hurd could be a slightly smaller PLax starter kit which we could use in certain situations.



I agree its not a good idea at all..I do not, however, think that we have anything other then replacement parts for receivers on our roster, outside of RW.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 09:00 AM
Our offense as it sits right this very second, cannot and will not be better, infact is will likely suffer because of one player missing from the scheme.

I disagree, whole heartedly. With the way our line is structured and the stable of backs we have the only adjustment required to make this offense go is a commitment to the ground game. If that occurs, everthing else opens right back up. Jones' return to health, along with a healthy Barber and a battle tested Choice should give defenses nightmares. This, along with TO's absence, dramatically reduces turnovers, too. That translates to fewer opps for the opponent. Witten's production goes back up and Roy has an offseason under his belt and gets to be the 1 at wr. Do not underestimate the impact all this had on Romo. You wanna know where his joy went? It was sucked out daily by the incessant drain that is Owens.

because nobody can deny what he does do and can do when he is on his best behavior .

Problem is, he was 100% healthy last season and was a complete nonfactor. 10 staight games without 100 yards to open the season and only twice surpassing 100 yards despite being thrown to more than anyone else, by far? Pardon me is I do not think that the end was worth the means.
Here are a few available...

Jabar Gaffney
Brandon Jones
Ashley Lelie
Koren Robinson
Amani Toomer
Shaun McDonald
Devery Henderson
Bobby Engram
Marvin Harrison

There are others as well..in fact in another thread I listed quite a few which included several of these same names. My personal prefference would be Marvin Harrison...Huge team player, very big locker room guy, hard worker, and a big catch player...has age, but can still play at a high level...wouldn't cost us a boat load of money either.


I, too, think that Harrison would be a perfect fit here. Problem is I don't think he'll sign anywhere cheap. He's proven all he ever needs to and for him to play is going to require a serious committment on his part. His health issues are real and chronic. I do not see him as being a veteran that signs for the minimum. I've alway like the way Toomer handles himself..

Bold

drgnbkr
03-05-2009, 09:02 AM
Cowboy's just released the bad Roy. $20 million in dead money now!

Maroondog
03-05-2009, 09:11 AM
I'm crying a river over the loss of T.O.

Here's a guarantee: Cowboys will win as many playoff games AND championships without T.O. as they did with him.

Rapture
03-05-2009, 09:21 AM
as a 49er fan im glad to hear T.O was released. i would love to have him back in the bay area playing for the gold again. OWENS is one of the best people in the world and one of my favorite. great guy, great talent and great motavator. has a lot of hatas, but who doesnt :eek: he keeps on truckin and bein T.O. thats a gold star in my book for anybody.

CCCSportsFan
03-05-2009, 09:29 AM
Cowboy's just released the bad Roy. $20 million in dead money now!

I thought this move would happen...

SLC
03-05-2009, 09:30 AM
I disagree, whole heartedly. With the way our line is structured and the stable of backs we have the only adjustment required to make this offense go is a commitment to the ground game. If that occurs, everthing else opens right back up. Jones' return to health, along with a healthy Barber and a battle tested Choice should give defenses nightmares. This, along with TO's absence, dramatically reduces turnovers, too. That translates to fewer opps for the opponent. Witten's production goes back up and Roy has an offseason under his belt and gets to be the 1 at wr. Do not underestimate the impact all this had on Romo. You wanna know where his joy went? It was sucked out daily by the incessant drain that is Owens.


This further illustrates that some people havent been paying full attention to exactly what effect TO had on this entire offense..

Go back and look at production of the RB's, Patrick Crayton's and Jason Witten's numbers prior to TO joining this team and then look at all their production after he joined this team...truth is in numbers people and ALL of their numbers went up each season TO was here...its a simple fact that TO made EVERYONE better because he took 2 of the 11 men on defense on almost every play...You will now take 1 more defensive player back and spread him to wherever the DC chooses to put him...closer to the LOS...effects running game...put him on Roy on one play...Witten on another...Guys this is simple truth..like it or not it is...look a what prime Time did for his defensive teammates when he was on the field...He affected how OC's called their game...TO does the same for DC's....And the numbers prove that fact.


And again, we do not have some insane run blocking O line...we dont..They are big..But big doesnt mean good and certainly doesn't mean physical...The Cowboys are better served to start to bring in lighter type O linemen and move toward a zone blocking scheme..As our scheme stands right now it depends to heavily on one on one blocking and outside of LD we dont have guys that can consistantly win one on one blocks in the passing or running game.

SLC
03-05-2009, 09:33 AM
Cowboy's just released the bad Roy. $20 million in dead money now!



Awesome...I knew this was coming..I'll accept the hit from this release, because he didn't perform on the field.. One of the most overrated overhyped players in NFL history.

SLC
03-05-2009, 09:41 AM
I'm crying a river over the loss of T.O.

Here's a guarantee: Cowboys will win as many playoff games AND championships without T.O. as they did with him.



Agreed. I know your thoughts are JJ related as to why...mine are head coach related, especially in terms of JJ...We must have a strong minded coach for things to work..but we must also have a real tactitian at that spot...thats why Shanahan would be a perfect hire...He would change the entire philosophy on offense, as he runs the zone blocking system which gives greater protection on passing downs and far better running lanes on running downs..Our O linemen would be a little lighter and far more athletic. He also knows how to put playmakers in the best positions to succeed and is the best at creating mismatches in defensive coverages.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 09:47 AM
You must remember that the Cowboys rushing yards average per carry went up dramatically when TO came to the Cowboys...Thats no coencidence whatsoever...TO accounts for two players when he's on the field...He doesnt allow for the safety to creep to the LOS, even in obvious running situations... I also think most people see the big O line as meaning a good run blocking O line...while they are better at run blocking than pass blocking for sure..They are not marketably better in that area. In fact it would do the Cowboys a big service to start getting away from the big guys on the O line and move to a zone blocking scheme with slightly lighter O linemen..maybe 20 - 30 pounds lighter...When Shanahan gets here, he will move us in that direction anyway.

Couldn't have had anything to do with the signings of Columbo, Kosier and Davis or the drafting of Barber, Jones and Choice or the emergence of Witten as the best te in the game. I agree that TO could stretch the defense and demand a double. The impact that had was substantial but let's not overplay this. There were far too many other ingredients into the development of the offense. In fact, this kind of makes my point. TO did this and was responsible for that and can't be replced because of whatever ....... This one person manages to push an entire cast of talented professional into the shadows because of the light he draws to himself and is shone upon him. Romo is a good person. Witten is a good person. All of our rb's are good people. The line has been together for several years and are good people. I tend to think that all of these hard working personalities will bond and rise to the challenge.



-ps- Shanahan:D

SLC93
03-05-2009, 09:48 AM
That would certainly not shock me at all....Al Davis is the nursing home version of Jerry Jones....and Jerry is the cane version of Daniel Snyder.:D

Unholy Trinity?:D

SLC93
03-05-2009, 10:00 AM
This further illustrates that some people havent been paying full attention to exactly what effect TO had on this entire offense..

Go back and look at production of the RB's, Patrick Crayton's and Jason Witten's numbers prior to TO joining this team and then look at all their production after he joined this team...truth is in numbers people and ALL of their numbers went up each season TO was here...its a simple fact that TO made EVERYONE better because he took 2 of the 11 men on defense on almost every play...You will now take 1 more defensive player back and spread him to wherever the DC chooses to put him...closer to the LOS...effects running game...put him on Roy on one play...Witten on another...Guys this is simple truth..like it or not it is...look a what prime Time did for his defensive teammates when he was on the field...He affected how OC's called their game...TO does the same for DC's....And the numbers prove that fact.


And again, we do not have some insane run blocking O line...we dont..They are big..But big doesnt mean good and certainly doesn't mean physical...The Cowboys are better served to start to bring in lighter type O linemen and move toward a zone blocking scheme..As our scheme stands right now it depends to heavily on one on one blocking and outside of LD we dont have guys that can consistantly win one on one blocks in the passing or running game.

Not denying that he impacted production. I'm just choosing not to skew it as far as you. All the guys you mentioned were/are young and were just becoming primetime players when he arrived. So some of that escalation is the natural maturation process. There is also the issue of upgraded talent in the rb rotation and the ol. Oh, and the small detail of not having a washed up, over the hill whoever starting at qb. TO was not the only factor. Nor was he the most important.

As for the line, let's see what they do with a real committment to the running game. One that does not fluctuate or see a rb have a game high 7 carries. In the running game MC, LD and AG can always winn thier battles. FA is old and won't get his guy everytime. Kosier showed his worth by his absence. Let's see what happens when we use the run to set up everything. When we get as creative with our three headed monster as we do with our passing game. I'm not comparing the quality of the olines but the 90's were pretty special with this philosophy. How much better will we be in 4th quarter when the opposing d has been leaned on all game? The potential exists for this to be a monumental shift in philosphy that can result in a huge upswing.

SLC
03-05-2009, 10:03 AM
Couldn't have had anything to do with the signings of Columbo, Kosier and Davis or the drafting of Barber, Jones and Choice or the emergence of Witten as the best te in the game. I agree that TO could stretch the defense and demand a double. The impact that had was substantial but let's not overplay this. There were far too many other ingredients into the development of the offense. In fact, this kind of makes my point. TO did this and was responsible for that and can't be replced because of whatever ....... This one person manages to push an entire cast of talented professional into the shadows because of the light he draws to himself and is shone upon him. Romo is a good person. Witten is a good person. All of our rb's are good people. The line has been together for several years and are good people. I tend to think that all of these hard working personalities will bond and rise to the challenge.



-ps- Shanahan:D



Certainly some of those were reasons why they got better..But for sure Columbo and Kosier are not anything more than serviceable players at best..Barber certainly appeared to suffer when he was moved to the number one spot with the exit of JJ (there is no doubting he is better than JJ, but he reaped the benefits of being fresher later in the game) and he doesnt look as good as his carries increase. And Choice and Jones havent been healthy enough to say they had any true long term effect on overall production.

Lest you forget that their are a great many on the team that didnt have the butt hurt feelings that Romo had over the TO situation. Its not a great situation by any means and it needed to be dealt with and the team chemistry will be better because of it..But we certainly dont need to make it seem like the entire team was up in arms about TO.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 10:04 AM
Awesome...I knew this was coming..I'll accept the hit from this release, because he didn't perform on the field.. One of the most overrated overhyped players in NFL history.

His release saves us money against the cap, roughly 2 million. I with you, 100%. This cat is out of excuses and owes whever success he had to playing next to the most under valued safety in history, Darren Woodson.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 10:08 AM
Certainly some of those were reasons why they got better..But for sure Columbo and Kosier are not anything more than serviceable players at best..Barber certainly appeared to suffer when he was moved to the number one spot with the exit of JJ (there is no doubting he is better than JJ, but he reaped the benefits of being fresher later in the game) and he doesnt look as good as his carries increase. And Choice and Jones havent been healthy enough to say they had any true long term effect on overall production.

Lest you forget that their are a great many on the team that didnt have the butt hurt feelings that Romo had over the TO situation. Its not a great situation by any means and it needed to be dealt with and the team chemistry will be better because of it..But we certainly dont need to make it seem like the entire team was up in arms about TO.

Agreed. Look I've been a TO defender for a great portion of his stay here. This was especially true in the begining when he was on his best behavior yet the media continued to hound him. If this were the first time this had happened it would be a different story. What is ultimately inescapable is the fact that Owens has now wrecked three locker rooms, in three cities, for three different franchises. That is not to say he is wholly responsible, that would be naive, but he is the one constant in the equation. That speaks volumes.

dragonsdaddy
03-05-2009, 10:17 AM
This further illustrates that some people havent been paying full attention to exactly what effect TO had on this entire offense..

Go back and look at production of the RB's, Patrick Crayton's and Jason Witten's numbers prior to TO joining this team and then look at all their production after he joined this team...truth is in numbers people and ALL of their numbers went up each season TO was here...its a simple fact that TO made EVERYONE better because he took 2 of the 11 men on defense on almost every play...You will now take 1 more defensive player back and spread him to wherever the DC chooses to put him...closer to the LOS...effects running game...put him on Roy on one play...Witten on another...Guys this is simple truth..like it or not it is...look a what prime Time did for his defensive teammates when he was on the field...He affected how OC's called their game...TO does the same for DC's....And the numbers prove that fact.


And again, we do not have some insane run blocking O line...we dont..They are big..But big doesnt mean good and certainly doesn't mean physical...The Cowboys are better served to start to bring in lighter type O linemen and move toward a zone blocking scheme..As our scheme stands right now it depends to heavily on one on one blocking and outside of LD we dont have guys that can consistantly win one on one blocks in the passing or running game.
do you think that maybe the improved numbers put up had as much or more to do with the play at qb than to. if in fact to created more space for the others, that will be missed. the fact is, he wanted to create the same situation on the football field that the black hole does in basketball. in to's warped mind, any ball that isn't thrown his way is wasted.

obviously, hs football is not the entertainment juggernaut that is the nfl, but football is still just a game, played best by eleven teammates. and the old rules still apply. there is no limit on how much can be accomplished by a team when no one cares who gets the credit. the 02 dragon squad had 3 starring wrs any of whom could have rightfully demanded more balls come their way. none of them did, and all prospered all the way to the top of the pile. good riddance, and please take your circus to a rival of the cowboys.

SLC
03-05-2009, 10:19 AM
Not denying that he impacted production. I'm just choosing not to skew it as far as you. All the guys you mentioned were/are young and were just becoming primetime players when he arrived. So some of that escalation is the natural maturation process. There is also the issue of upgraded talent in the rb rotation and the ol. Oh, and the small detail of not having a washed up, over the hill whoever starting at qb. TO was not the only factor. Nor was he the most important.

As for the line, let's see what they do with a real committment to the running game. One that does not fluctuate or see a rb have a game high 7 carries. In the running game MC, LD and AG can always winn thier battles. FA is old and won't get his guy everytime. Kosier showed his worth by his absence. Let's see what happens when we use the run to set up everything. When we get as creative with our three headed monster as we do with our passing game. I'm not comparing the quality of the olines but the 90's were pretty special with this philosophy. How much better will we be in 4th quarter when the opposing d has been leaned on all game? The potential exists for this to be a monumental shift in philosphy that can result in a huge upswing.


I really dont think that whatever is done between now and opening day will effect how we perform next season...Honesty says that we likely will not even make the playoffs next season, let alone be a team that can compete for a title next season...I say just ride the ship out until Shanahan gets here and he will be changing most if not all of what Garrett puts in place anyway.

Favpack
03-05-2009, 10:25 AM
Cowboys real ring of honor:

Rafael Septien
Hollywood Henderson
Pat Toomay
TO
Leon Lett

yeah, baby.

15Adragon
03-05-2009, 10:26 AM
do you think that maybe the improved numbers put up had as much or more to do with the play at qb than to. If in fact to created more space for the others, that will be missed. The fact is, he wanted to create the same situation on the football field that the black hole does in basketball. In to's warped mind, any ball that isn't thrown his way is wasted.

Obviously, hs football is not the entertainment juggernaut that is the nfl, but football is still just a game, played best by eleven teammates. And the old rules still apply. There is no limit on how much can be accomplished by a team when no one cares who gets the credit. The 02 dragon squad had 3 starring wrs any of whom could have rightfully demanded more balls come their way. None of them did, and all prospered all the way to the top of the pile. Good riddance, and please take your circus to a rival of the cowboys.

+1

15Adragon
03-05-2009, 10:32 AM
Certainly some of those were reasons why they got better..But for sure Columbo and Kosier are not anything more than serviceable players at best..Barber certainly appeared to suffer when he was moved to the number one spot with the exit of JJ (there is no doubting he is better than JJ, but he reaped the benefits of being fresher later in the game) and he doesnt look as good as his carries increase. And Choice and Jones havent been healthy enough to say they had any true long term effect on overall production.

Lest you forget that their are a great many on the team that didnt have the butt hurt feelings that Romo had over the TO situation. Its not a great situation by any means and it needed to be dealt with and the team chemistry will be better because of it..But we certainly dont need to make it seem like the entire team was up in arms about TO.

Dolphins did pretty good using the RB's they had this year. I saw an article in the DMN this morning which I haven't read yet, but based on the title it looked like they are going to start saving Barber for the 4th qtr again. We have weapons and a QB who can improvise we should play to those strengths. Don't we have the next great thing as an OC?

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-05-2009, 12:25 PM
Everyone not named Joe Thomas is available in Cleveland right now. Riddle me this, though. Why would we get rid of one loud mouthed wr with skillets for hands and then turn around and add another? The only reason is his youth, period, and that's just not a good enough reason. If it were a firesale and all it cost was a 3rd or fourth round pick, perhaps, but it won't be. Also, Dallas has no wiggle room against the cap if they get Ware signed this offseason. We cannot take on another big salary.

Valid point!

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-05-2009, 12:32 PM
Wow, sounds like Jerry finally down... Anyone happen to hear Roger and Troy on Galloway's show last week? Both kept harping on team chemistry has to be fixed for the Cowboys to move forward. It was real easy to see this was their indirect answer to the questions about T.O.

I was listening to Randy Galloway when he had Roger and Troy on. I had a feeling that they were hinting at that as well. They're probably right too!

Example; Jeff Garcia and Donovan McNabb BOTH became better QBs after their stints with T.O. Both have also defeated T.O. when it counted the most. I don't see it as a coincidence at all.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-05-2009, 12:37 PM
Dolphins did pretty good using the RB's they had this year. I saw an article in the DMN this morning which I haven't read yet, but based on the title it looked like they are going to start saving Barber for the 4th qtr again. We have weapons and a QB who can improvise we should play to those strengths. Don't we have the next great thing as an OC?

Jerry was on the Randy Galloway show on Tuesday, and he hinted at starting Felix Jones, or someone else, and going back to using Barber as the "finisher". He'd also hinted at cutting T.O. by saying, that there may not be enough balls to go around. He also said, that changes would be made.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 12:37 PM
Valid point!

Thank you, sir.;)

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-05-2009, 12:41 PM
Thank you, sir.;)

No problem! You're one of my favorites and, your posts never dissapoint.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 12:41 PM
I think the Boys very well may stand pat with wr core they currently have. The one possibility, realistic not Boldin-esque, that I would be interested in is Torry Holt. The Rams are going to release him before March 17 when he is due a roster bonus. Top notch guy who has been the #1 and the #2 in his career and never caused a problem on the field or off of it. At 32 and with serious skins on the wall, I can think of no better tutor for Williams, Austin, Crayton, Hurd and Stanbach than this guy.

rocketgrl94
03-05-2009, 12:42 PM
No problem! You're one of my favorites and, your posts never dissapoint.

What about me?:(:p

SLC93
03-05-2009, 12:45 PM
Jerry was on the Randy Galloway show on Tuesday, and he hinted at starting Felix Jones, or someone else, and going back to using Barber as the "finisher". He'd also hinted at cutting T.O. by saying, that there may not be enough balls to go around. He also said, that changes would be made.

There was a follow up blog on the DMN website that made an interesting proposal. Of course Felix needs to get his touches but we need to creative with him and capitalize on his game changing abilities.... but what about using Choice as the starter, setting up Jones' blinding speed which gives way to the Barbarian in the late game? I thought that was actually an astute idea, especially considering the source. The great thing about our back is they are all young and completely unique from one another. Choice very well may be the most "natural" runner of the three.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 12:46 PM
What about me?:(:p

Don't worry ...... he'd still hit it!:eek:;):D

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-05-2009, 12:59 PM
I think the Boys very well may stand pat with wr core they currently have. The one possibility, realistic not Boldin-esque, that I would be interested in is Torry Holt. The Rams are going to release him before March 17 when he is due a roster bonus. Top notch guy who has been the #1 and the #2 in his career and never caused a problem on the field or off of it. At 32 and with serious skins on the wall, I can think of no better tutor for Williams, Austin, Crayton, Hurd and Stanbach than this guy.

Either Holt, or Marvin Harrison. These 2 guys have been, pound for pound, 2 of the best to do it since they stepped foot in the league. Holt just didn't have a QB the past few years to help him out. Harrison got hurt but, before that, he hasn't ever been hurt much. Both have HARDWARE also! Both run great routes! And, both have great hands! With the exception of the last 2 years, nobody has done it better than Harrison for the past decade.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-05-2009, 12:59 PM
What about me?:(:p

You aight!:D

rocketgrl94
03-05-2009, 01:00 PM
Don't worry ...... he'd still hit it!:eek:;):D

DAAAAMN!:laugh

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-05-2009, 01:03 PM
There was a follow up blog on the DMN website that made an interesting proposal. Of course Felix needs to get his touches but we need to creative with him and capitalize on his game changing abilities.... but what about using Choice as the starter, setting up Jones' blinding speed which gives way to the Barbarian in the late game? I thought that was actually an astute idea, especially considering the source. The great thing about our back is they are all young and completely unique from one another. Choice very well may be the most "natural" runner of the three.

I agree! Not to mention, Choice MIGHT be the most complete back out of the 3. He isn't fast as Felix but, he is fast! He can also run inside, as well as block. He's got good hands and, he can ran away from you as well. The running game might be what carries this team next year.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-05-2009, 01:04 PM
Don't worry ...... he'd still hit it!:eek:;):D

:notworthy:D

SLC93
03-05-2009, 01:15 PM
Either Holt, or Marvin Harrison. These 2 guys have been, pound for pound, 2 of the best to do it since they stepped foot in the league. Holt just didn't have a QB the past few years to help him out. Harrison got hurt but, before that, he hasn't ever been hurt much. Both have HARDWARE also! Both run great routes! And, both have great hands! With the exception of the last 2 years, nobody has done it better than Harrison for the past decade.

I just think Harrison is done. His injury is one he'll never fully recover from and he's 36. Holt's situation is different. He just doesn't fit there anymore. new players, new regime ect..ect... He's still got game and does things the right way, no exceptions.

Matthew 2000 Eagle
03-05-2009, 01:19 PM
I just think Harrison is done. His injury is one he'll never fully recover from and he's 36. Holt's situation is different. He just doesn't fit there anymore. new players, new regime ect..ect... He's still got game and does things the right way, no exceptions.

True! Not to mention, Holt is just 32, compared to Harrison's 36. Either one would be a great mentor.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 01:35 PM
DAAAAMN!:laugh

I pick my spots.;):D

SLC93
03-05-2009, 01:48 PM
I agree! Not to mention, Choice MIGHT be the most complete back out of the 3. He isn't fast as Felix but, he is fast! He can also run inside, as well as block. He's got good hands and, he can ran away from you as well. The running game might be what carries this team next year.

If the coaching staff has a brain in it's collective head it will. All three of these backs are complete players. Jones need only to shore up his blocking. Because of their diversity the formations and possibilities are endless. I can see Felix in the slot quite a bit. The two back set combinations are exciting as well. Hell, run a little multibone for fun from time to time. With the big oline and Witten and Bennett we could do some very good things. All the while reducing turnovers and increasing efficiency in the passing game.

rdubs7
03-05-2009, 02:05 PM
I think releasing TO was a great move. I am not a cowboys fan but I said he will not win y'all a championship. Y'all had a better team without him and now that y'all have Roy Roy as number one all you need is a WR to compliment him beacause you already have a beast #2 in whitten. Fill the empty spot at strong safety pick up a fee agent WR and you'll be


Go Bears!!!!!

wesaxman34
03-05-2009, 02:36 PM
I want to see Danny Amendola on the roster next season.

SLC93
03-05-2009, 02:39 PM
I want to see Danny Amendola on the roster next season.

Imagine that.;)

wesaxman34
03-05-2009, 02:53 PM
Imagine that.;)

His work ethic is tremendous and with time, I really believe he would be a reliable IR to go to. He's no Wes Welker, but Wes already proved to us that size doesn't always matter.

yankee
03-05-2009, 05:01 PM
well we finally got rid of the cancer, but can we recover from the disease?
I am sure he will go to some team like the Giants (who are in serious need for a receiver) and probably not drop passes there. I personally think he is a good receiver but never has been a great receiver. Maybe we can get Boldin from Arizona

john mara =/= jerry jones.
in no shape or form. the giants have stated that they're willing to give plax another shot (no pun intended) if he gets his otf issues somewhat straightened up. if plax doesn't come back, the giants do not want another media headache. they've had enough between tiki barber/coughlin/plax over the last few years.

Dawg Fan
03-05-2009, 06:53 PM
john mara =/= jerry jones.
in no shape or form. the giants have stated that they're willing to give plax another shot (no pun intended) if he gets his otf issues somewhat straightened up. if plax doesn't come back, the giants do not want another media headache. they've had enough between tiki barber/coughlin/plax over the last few years.

just wishful thinking on my part;) I wouldn't mind seeing the cancer destroy the hated enemy:p

SGP 06 Alumni
03-05-2009, 07:02 PM
this is long overdue...

SLC
03-05-2009, 09:07 PM
Dolphins did pretty good using the RB's they had this year. I saw an article in the DMN this morning which I haven't read yet, but based on the title it looked like they are going to start saving Barber for the 4th qtr again. We have weapons and a QB who can improvise we should play to those strengths. Don't we have the next great thing as an OC?


Good Barber is much better served in a "6th amn" role IMO..I do not think we have the next great thing as an OC at all...I do believe we have an OC who had the element of suprise though and thats now wearing off.

SLC
03-05-2009, 09:09 PM
Jerry was on the Randy Galloway show on Tuesday, and he hinted at starting Felix Jones, or someone else, and going back to using Barber as the "finisher". He'd also hinted at cutting T.O. by saying, that there may not be enough balls to go around. He also said, that changes would be made.

Best move by far, for MB and the team.

SLC
03-05-2009, 09:13 PM
I think the Boys very well may stand pat with wr core they currently have. The one possibility, realistic not Boldin-esque, that I would be interested in is Torry Holt. The Rams are going to release him before March 17 when he is due a roster bonus. Top notch guy who has been the #1 and the #2 in his career and never caused a problem on the field or off of it. At 32 and with serious skins on the wall, I can think of no better tutor for Williams, Austin, Crayton, Hurd and Stanbach than this guy.

+1...I'd love to have Torry Holt here for about 3-4 seasons with Roy and have Miles as well. That could be a very very nice 3 receiver set.

mad_fan
03-05-2009, 09:23 PM
Now that he's out at D...I hope we pick him up at GB...

SLC
03-05-2009, 09:29 PM
I agree! Not to mention, Choice MIGHT be the most complete back out of the 3. He isn't fast as Felix but, he is fast! He can also run inside, as well as block. He's got good hands and, he can ran away from you as well. The running game might be what carries this team next year.


I'm thinking they will try for more production from the running game, but I'm guessing that over the course of the season we aren't likely to see a big improvement over what weve had, and its due to the fact that we dont have the right players for run and pass blocking. We have 2 players that are more of the run blocking type, 1 that is more of the pass blocking type, 1 that is a good combo of both and 1 that isnt either anymore, rather he's just a waste of salary and a damn good set of shoulder pads. I think you also have to look at the signal caller, he isnt likely to deviate to far from his stripes and his stripes say that he will try to pass more than he runs. He would have been very well served to have been an assitant under BP. Not to play his style to the letter, but to learn the philosophy of run to set up the pass, rather than pass to set up the run, not to mention just flat play calling sequence style.

I cant wait for Shanahan to get here, I honestly hope Garrett remains here and can learn from a true tactitian and game planning mastermind. His career would be well served to work under a Parcells or Shanahan.

SLC
03-05-2009, 09:38 PM
I think releasing TO was a great move. I am not a cowboys fan but I said he will not win y'all a championship. Y'all had a better team without him and now that y'all have Roy Roy as number one all you need is a WR to compliment him beacause you already have a beast #2 in whitten. Fill the empty spot at strong safety pick up a fee agent WR and you'll be


Go Bears!!!!!

Witten will be a huge key going forward, as the senior member of this offense he will be depended on to be the main cog at times, likely most of the time. It wont help to have coverage now keying on him with the departure of TO, but Witten has proved that he can handle the pressure of being a big producer in an offense that is predicated on having a very solid tight end, and he is certainly far above solid. We will certainly be better served to have the O line to play like their paid and it will further allow Witten to focus more on producing big catches and scores and less on protecting Tony.


And trust me on this...We need far more than a WR and safety...we also need a few corners and defensive linemen, most importantly a DT. We also will need a solid O lineman..possibly two.

SLC
03-05-2009, 09:40 PM
just wishful thinking on my part;) I wouldn't mind seeing the cancer destroy the hated enemy:p


No doubt about that one...Anything we can do to beat them on the outside OR inside, is all good with us.:D

SLC
03-05-2009, 09:41 PM
Now that he's out at D...I hope we pick him up at GB...


I heard he prefers warm weather.

SLC93
03-06-2009, 08:06 AM
just wishful thinking on my part;) I wouldn't mind seeing the cancer destroy the hated enemy:p

Nice!:D

SLC93
03-06-2009, 08:12 AM
Good Barber is much better served in a "6th amn" role IMO..I do not think we have the next great thing as an OC at all...I do believe we have an OC who had the element of suprise though and thats now wearing off.

I think Garrett will be a great oc but it may not happen for several years. That is the issue. We do not have several years to wait. We cannot make the mistake the Mavs did and waste years of a team's prime with a young coach who isn't ready and will be better at his second stop than his first. After his first year everyone forgot that this guy had only been a qb coach. That's not always a bad thing provided you're on a great staff learning from the minds of accomplshed assistants, coordinators and head coaches. That was never the case with Jason. He was never groomed like that. What he has got by on is his experiences as a player and that can only take you so far. Theres just so much more than goes with coordinationg a professional unit.

SLC
03-06-2009, 08:19 AM
I think Garrett will be a great oc but it may not happen for several years. That is the issue. We do not have several years to wait. We cannot make the mistake the Mavs did and waste years of a team's prime with a young coach who isn't ready and will be better at his second stop than his first. After his first year everyone forgot that this guy had only been a qb coach. That's not always a bad thing provided you're on a great staff learning from the minds of accomplshed assistants, coordinators and head coaches. That was never the case with Jason. He was never groomed like that. What he has got by on is his experiences as a player and that can only take you so far. Theres just so much more than goes with coordinationg a professional unit.



I agree and for all those reasons, I think he would be a great addition to Shanahans staff. He could learn all the intricacies of being a top flight OC frome Mike that would certainly prepare him for a HC gig. A resume that says you learned from Mike Shanahan is gold compared to one that says you were an OC under Cartman.

SLC93
03-06-2009, 08:20 AM
+1...I'd love to have Torry Holt here for about 3-4 seasons with Roy and have Miles as well. That could be a very very nice 3 receiver set.

I think he would be perfect for this team from all angles, His work ethic, attitude,leadership, talent level and contract are all going to be at levels that fit in Dallas. Glad you mentioned Miles because I think he's going to have a very nice year. He has all the tools and looks to be ready for a break out after a few seasons of learning how to be a professional receiver. I also think Hurd will make some nice contributions for us. We have got to start embracing the fact that role players make a team a teams win titles. I think Jerry now realizes he has plenty of stars and drawing power and can focus on filling is squad with the heart guys that allow your uber talents to do their thing.

SLC93
03-06-2009, 08:22 AM
I'm thinking they will try for more production from the running game, but I'm guessing that over the course of the season we aren't likely to see a big improvement over what weve had, and its due to the fact that we dont have the right players for run and pass blocking. We have 2 players that are more of the run blocking type, 1 that is more of the pass blocking type, 1 that is a good combo of both and 1 that isnt either anymore, rather he's just a waste of salary and a damn good set of shoulder pads. I think you also have to look at the signal caller, he isnt likely to deviate to far from his stripes and his stripes say that he will try to pass more than he runs. He would have been very well served to have been an assitant under BP. Not to play his style to the letter, but to learn the philosophy of run to set up the pass, rather than pass to set up the run, not to mention just flat play calling sequence style.

I cant wait for Shanahan to get here, I honestly hope Garrett remains here and can learn from a true tactitian and game planning mastermind. His career would be well served to work under a Parcells or Shanahan.


I've said that very thing since Denver let Shanahan go. Great minds .....:D

SLC93
03-06-2009, 08:42 AM
Witten will be a huge key going forward, as the senior member of this offense he will be depended on to be the main cog at times, likely most of the time. It wont help to have coverage now keying on him with the departure of TO, but Witten has proved that he can handle the pressure of being a big producer in an offense that is predicated on having a very solid tight end, and he is certainly far above solid. We will certainly be better served to have the O line to play like their paid and it will further allow Witten to focus more on producing big catches and scores and less on protecting Tony.


And trust me on this...We need far more than a WR and safety...we also need a few corners and defensive linemen, most importantly a DT. We also will need a solid O lineman..possibly two.

Agreed. Safety is the most glaring. The lack of corner deoth probably the most concerning. The addition of a mammoth nose would be the most impactful since I believe Ratliff to be the best answer at DE and it wouldn't hurt to luck into some young talent on the offensive line. Maybe then we could actually stop spending more money on our olinement than anyone else in the league. Imagine the caproom we would have had if we hadn't been forced to but 3/5 of our line and overpay for the another 1/5 because we could actually draft an oline prospect that panned out.

15Adragon
03-06-2009, 01:34 PM
I think he would be perfect for this team from all angles, His work ethic, attitude,leadership, talent level and contract are all going to be at levels that fit in Dallas. Glad you mentioned Miles because I think he's going to have a very nice year. He has all the tools and looks to be ready for a break out after a few seasons of learning how to be a professional receiver. I also think Hurd will make some nice contributions for us. We have got to start embracing the fact that role players make a team a teams win titles. I think Jerry now realizes he has plenty of stars and drawing power and can focus on filling is squad with the heart guys that allow your uber talents to do their thing.

This. Look what the Giants accomplished with young players stepping up.
Enough with the Flozel contracts. What a waste of money. Let someone else sign 30 somethings at top dollar. Only commit big money to proven talent in their prime. I know that is easier said than done. Ask the Yank's how they feel about that A-Roid extension about now.

rocketgrl94
03-06-2009, 03:00 PM
In defense of Terrell...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9299080/In-defense-of-Terrell-Owens