The 2 Best Teams Will Not Even Meet????

[Rocketman]

Southlake and Trinity are the 2 best teams in the state its too bad there not playing each other this year what a crappy playoff system this state has, should it be changed?????

[WestlandTiger'95]

Good call....you sound intelligent..whats your number?...411

Man, and before the season is even over!!! ...usually the smart posters wait until the season is over before they puke these posts on the screen....i commend you for being a bold moron.

lol im just messin around....

[Sakatha]

Good call....you sound intelligent..whats your number?...411

Man, and before the season is even over!!! ...usually the smart posters wait until the season is over before they puke these posts on the screen....i commend you for being a bold moron.

And they just keep on comin'.

You Katy fans sure are full of venom.

~DnM

[BigWhiteJake]

wait hold on guys... i have been yelling at people and calling them moron too much, yall are starting to think thats the way to be or something...

look, you could certainly make a case for euless being the best or second best 5A squad, but if this were college, the two teams playing right now would be in the national championship since euless messed around with south grand prarie...likewise, we may gotten an easier road but the system was ordained long ago, and there have been plenty of years where teams could say they got knocked out earlier than they should have, or that they never got to play so and so...i imagine north shore is going 'damn i wish beasley would have gotten hurt in our game'

the overall worth of a team is judged by week in/week out performances, and trinity faltered, injuries could have been involved, i frankly dont know. nance is an absolute beast, so dont think i am taking anything away from them, but what you see right now is the only two undefeated teams left playing each other, it would be the same thing at any other level of football.

PS i would love to see regions being seeded (sp?) instead of pre ordained by district, ive expressed that before

[KatyTigerDad0407]

And they just keep on comin'.

You Katy fans sure are full of venom.

~DnM
He was a little bit harsh on a new poster considering he is a community vet. But your comment is too inclusive of all that is Katy.

[Sakatha]

He was a little bit harsh on a new poster considering he is a community vet. But your comment is too inclusive of all that is Katy.

Yeah, you're probably right..

Go check post count, though.. The poster I was quoting actually has fewer posts than the 'starter'...

~DnM

[JagDad07]

Southlake and Trinity are the 2 best teams in the state its too bad there not playing each other this year what a crappy playoff system this state has, should it be changed?????

MAN LANDS ON MOON!!!

[Favpack]

The system will become even more squirrly next year. Usually it's not that big of a deal - ET is really good, but they in no way were tested until the final game. While I'm sickly biased - I think Lufkin's road was literally 300% more difficult than ET's, as is/was SLC's. The system ain't fair - so what's new. The Oregon Ducks think the same thing.

[bullrock]

I have to agree on the won/lost column and it should really revert back to the beginning of the play-offs. Look at Longview, Lufkin, Plano, Abilene, Pearland, North Shore, and Westfield. If you take these undefeated teams at the end of the regular saeson they would have been ranked above Trinity. How many of these teams did Trinity meet? I think this is something that should be considered. The system we are playing under is the law and Trinity has their title, but one would have to wonder what would have happened if they had met any of the above or if the BCS applied to high school where they would have fallen in the mix at the end of the regular season. By the same token, my Rockets wouldn't have even made the play-offs.

[WestlandTiger'95]

And they just keep on comin'.

You Katy fans sure are full of venom.

~DnM
so is our team...PICK YOUR POISON!!!!!!

hey i was just messin around...and since when does having a high post count make you a good poster..i mean hey...look at lonny...lol

[dragonsdaddy]

all of these are arguments for what we all want anyway, a unified champion.

[DiamondJ2]

they do seed them in the state basketball tournament as best they can.

[StarmanDX]

In my honest opinion I think the best two teams met last weekend(Lufkin and Carroll). The best and 3rd best team in the state meet this Saturday. I do not think Trinity is top 5, maybe top 10.

[exbearkat]

In my honest opinion I think the best two teams met last weekend(Lufkin and Carroll).
Will you still feel the same way if Katy beats SLC this weekend? :confused: :rolleyes:

[zippy]

Crazy, Crazy, and even more Crazy. In that order.


In my honest opinion I think the best two teams met last weekend(Lufkin and Carroll). The best and 3rd best team in the state meet this Saturday. I do not think Trinity is top 5, maybe top 10.

[BigWhiteJake]

how do justify trinity not being top 5, just curious?

[StarmanDX]

I will try to justify what I put from another post I made in another thread.

This is my first post... I've been lurking around these forums for a while but after all this debate I will post now.

They aren't at least #2, in my opinion, because they didn't play the best teams in the playoffs and their loss was to a team that didn't go far. SGP was very very good though and them losing to Plano was a surprise. However, teams such as Plano and Lufkin whose only loss is to the best team in the state, thats not fair. The teams Trinity played in their last 7 games:

SGP: Loss
MacArthur: If their QB was any good they could have beaten Trinity since their secondary wasn't very good
Fossil Ridge: They played poorly against a 3rd place team from an average district outside of Carroll, 4 losses
Plano East: 5-5 isn't a playoff record, 3rd place out of 8-5a and a weak team altogether
El Paso Franklin: They may have been 11-1 but they came from a weak district and would not have a winning record in DFW districts
A&M Consolidated: I was at this game and AMC's coach wasn't very smart. They were good but his playcalling was bad. And AMC finished 3rd in 13-5A also, with 3 losses.
Converse Judson: They got better as the season went along, but should not have been in the playoffs. 4 losses meant they can be beat, their playoff road was easy also. Westfied win was big but they were missing their QB.

I am not taking away from the Trinity title its just that I'm sure a lot of teams could have gone in Trinity's place and won the title as well, including Irving MacArthur, SGP, Plano, all those 0 or 1 loss D2 teams who lost in the D2 bracket. The Trojans did not beat a good first place team in the playoffs or a team that was undefeated. They did beat a 1 loss team but they were the worst overall team they played.

Just my 2 cents.

I just think that some other teams had more impressive resumes than ET did. ET's sole loss was to South Grand Prairie, and they did not match up with a team of SGP's caliber in the Division 1 playoffs. They were not seriously tested like some other teams were. SLC has knocked off 3 consecutive unbeatens. Katy has yet to lose. Lufkin's only loss was to SLC and they were missing a key player. Plano beat SGP(who Trinity lost too). Cases could also be made for Copperas Cove and Smithson Valley as well. One could even make a case for the healthy Westfield team that won its first 13 games. And of course you have to place SGP infront of the Trojans for their impressive Week 9 win. Trinity just knocked off a bunch of 3rd place teams from districts. Their most impressive opponenet they beat this year was Irving MacArthur, a team that should have beat them had their QB been any good. I am not taking away from their title I am just backing up what I say.

[lonny23]

Southlake and Trinity are the 2 best teams in the state its too bad there not playing each other this year what a crappy playoff system this state has, should it be changed?????
Yeah, it's a shame that Judson and SLC aren't playing each other AGAIN!:p

OK, I agree with you on the 2 best teams.:D

[SLCDRGN]

The Division I and Division II arrangement is a mess. I believe SLC & Katy are the 2 best teams in 5A. Trinity had the luxury of landing in Division I and that is just the way it is. They had (By far) the easiest path to a state championship in the history of Highschool football. SLC would have blasted every team Trinity played without fail. I am not taking anything away from Trinity....but they had a cakewalk. Whether SLC or Katy (& I believe this will be SLC's year) wins division II, Either one of these teams will win more praise than Trinity. This year, Division II will be considered better than Division II. I officially request we do away with Division I & II in 5A!!

[lonny23]

so is our team...PICK YOUR POISON!!!!!!

hey i was just messin around...and since when does having a high post count make you a good poster..i mean hey...look at lonny...lol
Don't forget about Dragons08!:p

[lonny23]

how do justify trinity not being top 5, just curious?
Trinity is definitely Top 5!:D

[Dallascaper]

I am not taking away from their title I am just backing up what I say.

You write 4 paragraphs taking away from Trinity's title - even quoting yourself, no less - and then you say that you aren't taking away from Trinity's title. There's a joke in there somewhere.

If you don’t think Trinity deserves the title, then don’t be a coward and just say it; leave the double-talk to politicians.

[PACK]

This time next year no one will care what you did last year. Trinity got the brass nut in DI so they deserve it. BUT, I think you would have to look far and wide to get a majority that would say that Trinity would have made it as far as the State Semi's in DII this year. The way things are now, no one will ever know who second best is this year because of the way the brackets go. Besides, 1st loser is not a title! Talk has it that there is a good chance Lufkin will be put in R3 next year. Don't swallow your gum, but that could shake things up a little.

[FeeltheHaka]

I have to admit, these are compelling arguments against Trinity. I could see how one could come to this conclusion. The only defense I would have of this is; one must see Trinity play to understand. You'll have to take my word for it that SGP game was part fluke, and part Trinity overlooking the game and SGP coming to play. Now, a good team shouldn't let this happen; but it did. They could have beat Irving Mac. by a much more wider margin, but for some reason; they did not. These same arguments are made in college football, and in the NFL. How many times has the superbowl's outcome end against the odds? In high school football, there are so many variables that can affect the outcome. Remember, we are talking about teenagers here. Like I wrote, there are several arguments one can make; and we can argue all day. All I know is that I would love to see Trinity and Southlake play eachother. I guess the fact that they won't play eachother kind of makes it more exciting in some ways.

[Winston]

If there was a real playoff system, most of this thread would be rendered moot once the deserving teams met for the real championship. When I think of things like the UIL's playoff system and the college BS system, it reminds me of a third world country. This is taking nothing away from this year's deserving high school champions, who have achieved to the maximum of their potential under the current format.

[myround0]

Longview is the best team in the state I just wish SLC would have played us out of Dallas of course

PS where did Lufkin play SLC, anywhere near Dallas would explain the score of the game

[SLC13]

.......................PS where did Lufkin play SLC, anywhere near Dallas would explain the score of the game
Geez man, were you in a cave all last week.....the Lufkin /SLC game was played in Nacadoches at SFA.......:confused:

[SLC13]

Longview is the best team in the state I just wish SLC would have played us out of Dallas of course...........

The formula for LV to make that game happen was the same this year as it's been for the previous 3 years, win four playoff games!! You wouldn't think that would be so tough for the "best team" in the state.....:D :D

[TrojanHorse03]

I have to agree on the won/lost column and it should really revert back to the beginning of the play-offs. Look at Longview, Lufkin, Plano, Abilene, Pearland, North Shore, and Westfield. If you take these undefeated teams at the end of the regular saeson they would have been ranked above Trinity. How many of these teams did Trinity meet? I think this is something that should be considered. The system we are playing under is the law and Trinity has their title, but one would have to wonder what would have happened if they had met any of the above or if the BCS applied to high school where they would have fallen in the mix at the end of the regular season. By the same token, my Rockets wouldn't have even made the play-offs.

3 of the teams you mentioned were in Trinity's division, D1 and they lost in that division. Not that it matters but Pearland lost to North Shore, North Shore lost to Westfield, and the #2 ranked Mustangs lost to Judson. Longview while 10-0 lost to a team that I'm not sure was in the final 25 and if it was it, they would certainly ranked below them. Let me say I didnt like the two division system before hand, even casual high school football fans don't understand it, yet its what the UIL has provided. As for notions that there's 5 or more teams better than Trinity, everybody's entitled to their opinion however....

The rankings are only there to try and give an idea of the best teams in the state when there's no tangible way to compare them. The playoffs are the ultimate test, and the real teams will survive and be there in the end.

[TrojanHorse03]

The formula for LV to make that game happen was the same this year as it's been for the previous 3 years, win four playoff games!! You wouldn't think that would be so tough for the "best team" in the state.....:D :D

exactly

[lonny23]

3 of the teams you mentioned were in Trinity's division, D1 and they lost in that division. Not that it matters but Pearland lost to North Shore, North Shore lost to Westfield, and the #2 ranked Mustangs lost to Judson. Longview while 10-0 lost to a team that I'm not sure was in the final 25 and if it was it, they would certainly ranked below them. Let me say I didnt like the two division system before hand, even casual high school football fans don't understand it, yet its what the UIL has provided. As for notions that there's 5 or more teams better than Trinity, everybody's entitled to their opinion however....
You know, I get tired of the same thing every year. D2 has twice as many teams as D1, but we always hear about how the D1 champ can't compete with the D2 champ. It really does a disgrace to the D1 teams to always hear they might've won D1, but didn't stand a chance in D2. D1 plays some great football every year. Trinity was goign to be hard to beat no matter what division they were in. I'm behind the Trinity guys on this one and I'm a D1 guy and probably the biggest defender of D1. Where's all the North Shore and Westfield guys to take up for D1?

[TrojanHorse03]

Well to be honest we don't care how D1 or Trinity is perceived really, because people our entitled to their opinion. But what people are up in arms about is based on their percieved notion of how good teams are dating back to preseason and the conclusion of the regular season.

The rankings are only there to try and give an idea of the best teams in the state when there's no tangible way to compare them. The playoffs are the ultimate test, and the real teams will survive and be there in the end.

However it is unfortunate that we do have a system that doesn't even attempt to entertain every matchup. However what else would we have to do in the offseason than to try to prove why this team is better than the team :D .

[Drag Goon]

I am a big fan of Trinity and wish they had not had their "bump in the road". I would have loved for them and SLC (they still have some work to do)to have won state and both gone undefeated. I think that would have made some impact in the National Rankings as well.

I think Trinity is one of the top 5 teams but cannot give them #1 or 2 because of their loss. I knew their road in D1 had set up nicely for them but I was not aware how "easy" (at least on paper) it was.

Katy and SLC have earned the chance to play for the DII championship. It should be a great game!

[lonny23]

I am a big fan of Trinity and wish they had not had their "bump in the road". I would have loved for them and SLC (they still have some work to do)to have won state and both gone undefeated. I think that would have made some impact in the National Rankings as well.

I think Trinity is one of the top 5 teams but cannot give them #1 or 2 because of their loss. I knew their road in D1 had set up nicely for them but I was not aware how "easy" (at least on paper) it was.

Katy and SLC have earned the chance to play for the DII championship. It should be a great game!
ANY team that beats Judson in ANY year deserves a lot of credit. They don't just hand out wins to other teams, especially in the title game. Trinity is good and having an undefeated season is overrated.

[Tut]

The fact is that Trinity is a champ and the winner of Katy - SLC will also be a champ. Would I like to see them meet? YES!!! It won't happen though, so give both champions credit.

[Down n' Out]

Why can't the Div. 1 and the Div. II champs play each other? Sounds like a good idea to me.

[JoeC]

Why can't the Div. 1 and the Div. II champs play each other? Sounds like a good idea to me.

I've thought the same thing for many years now but then again - wouldn't it defeat the overall purpose. Would the D1 champ and the D2 champ not be champions (State Champions) after all? Would they be characterized as just D1 and D2 winners? Or, would the D1 winner be State Champion and the D2 winner be State Champion (as it is now) and the two winners play in the Texas State Super Bowl? Under that scenario would the split winners (D1 and D2) be any more happier than say . . . the district, bi-district or regional champions? Would either of them feel momentous in saying "We played in the Texas State Super Bowl and lost"? I seriously doubt it. After all, isn’t the point to be the last man standing? Some people believe we should go 6A but does the Texas HS enrollment system justify such a structure? If so, it would be my guess [and only a guess] that the 6A champion would end up playing 12 or 13 games at most. On the other hand, the 5A champion would still be mired playing 15 or 16 games. Under those circumstance you would still hear a familiar cry (at least until we became acclimated to the system), "who is the best 6A or 5A since 5A has the harder road; and by the way, shouldn't they meet to the determine whose really the best? Obviously we have created a monster by allowing so many teams to participate (my opinion). How about this as a possible solution – why not just go back to two teams representation from each district; while at the same time, moving forward with a 6A and 5A split structure? Who knows, maybe this would work. After all how often do you hear the complaint: 4A and/or 3A for that matter, is probably better than 5A. What are your thoughts? Is the three-team system cumbersome? And God forbid, - four teams? Considering some of the large enrollments in Texas (3, 4 and 5k plus) should we or shouldn’t consider these schools 6A? Maybe the 5A bracket should have two district representatives while the 6A bracket should have three? Personally I don't have the answer, but I am clear on this one, the split 5A system that we presently have is at best - a joke!!! And all of the other states are laughing (at least shrugging their shoulders) at Texas.:( :o

[KTBTyler]

so is our team...PICK YOUR POISON!!!!!!

hey i was just messin around...and since when does having a high post count make you a good poster..i mean hey...look at lonny...lol

Always starting trouble huh Jeremy? :rolleyes:

[pack0808]

Nobody is denying Trinity was a very good team but this year was ridiculously loaded in div2. 8 of the top 10 teams and 19 of the top 25 teams all in div2. Both Judson and Trinity lost to div2 teams just like Tyler Lee lost to 2 div2 teams last year. I call it both ways. I thought NS was the clear champ like most everybody else in 2003 and they were in div1. But this is what we have to live with and Trinity won a title. They did what they had to do. I hate this silly system but it is something we will have to deal with. The div2 champ is clearly the best in most of the fan's eyes this year but that does not mean much. Trinity will still receive their ring's and they still were one of the best in the state.

[WestlandTiger'95]

Always starting trouble huh Jeremy? :rolleyes:
hey thats "MR GOOB" to you!!!!!

[BigWhiteJake]

goob, i knew i knew you

[ths76021]

I am amazed to sit and read all of the continuous posts concerning Trinity. All of the people that continue to take their shots at Trinity: Ranging from they lost to a team that they shouldn't have (SGP), they wouldn't have even played in the title game if there was a "BCS" type seeding in h.s.
So what if Trinity lost 1 game. They did what they had to do in the playoff system that is in place. No matter what the scores of the games they played, they don't get credit. For example, SLC beat Mac by a very sound amount while Trinity only won by 7 pts. What does it matter. A "W" is a "W".. no matter if by 1 pt to 50 pts. The question I want to ask of everyone that is so quick to put down Trinity's run to the Texas Bowl.

Hypothetical of course:
IF SLC had gone DIV 1 and played Trinity and won, that would have been the only "quality" victory according to all of the posts in order for SLC to win the DIV 1 title prior to the championship. Would there have been all of the posts that SLC had "the easiest path to the championship"? I doubt anyone would have said that.. SO why does everyone have it in for Trinity to try to put a "astericks" next to their championship?

Give the Trojans their due. They played the teams in the bracket as it was set up. That was not in their control.. Just like it wouldn't have been in SLC control had they played Div.1.

I know people have said congrats to the Trojans, but I can't believe all of the negative stuff about a team that worked as hard as any other team in the state of texas to reach their goals this year. Give them their due and leave it alone.

[farmerfan]

I am a big fan of Trinity and wish they had not had their "bump in the road". I would have loved for them and SLC (they still have some work to do)to have won state and both gone undefeated. I think that would have made some impact in the National Rankings as well.

I think Trinity is one of the top 5 teams but cannot give them #1 or 2 because of their loss. I knew their road in D1 had set up nicely for them but I was not aware how "easy" (at least on paper) it was.

Katy and SLC have earned the chance to play for the DII championship. It should be a great game!


You do realize that the loser of the SLC/Katy game will also have a loss. So should that team still be number 2 in the state even if they have a loss? Trinity's loss made a lot of people question them, however its not like they lost to a average team. The team they lost to went 10-2 and the combined records of the two teams SGP lost to were 22-3. At the end of the year Trinity will be able to claim something only one other team in 5A can, and that is a state championship and undfeated in the playoffs. That is all that matters.

[gritty52]

That's what I said the other day in a post. I've never seen people just pick something to death like this. Easy schedule, woulda, coulda, shoulda,. Ever think these kids are just as talented as the wearers of green and purple??? These kids worked their big butts off for this trophy, and played whoever came up next. We will not play each other!!!!!!!!! Would liked to have seen it! You folks would have seen a hell of a game, and it would have been alot closer than you think. The beration, and dissing these fine young men should stop. You say congrats in one sentence and then in another one "they had it so easy they should win". We won and whatever you folks think our kids are DIVISION 1 STATE CHAMPS!HAKAAAAAAAAA:D

[fbjones]

I'm a Northshore fan, but I say HAKA to all the LOSERS that are trying to diminish Trinity's CHAMPIONSHIP. HAKA HAKA HAKA. To all you wanna be's: Play your schedule. Play your playoff opponents. Don't make excuses when you lose. That's what champion's do.
Come on Katy.....whup that SLC butt.

[DragonBand06]

I'm a Northshore fan, but I say HAKA to all the LOSERS that are trying to diminish Trinity's CHAMPIONSHIP. HAKA HAKA HAKA. To all you wanna be's: Play your schedule. Play your playoff opponents. Don't make excuses when you lose. That's what champion's do.
Come on Katy.....whup that SLC butt.

I agree that nobody should be putting down the players, but who are you to make the generalization that it is all SLC fans?

I distinctly remember StarmanDX making remarks... and others, not just him.

Please do not make these types of stereotypes; SLC fans have a lot more integrity and class than you may think. We all have some out-of-control people.

[KTFootball_05]

If everyone is unhappy this year, you will be even more disgruntled next year. Remenber UIL adds a fourth team to the playoffs next year. Div I & II will both have 64 teams, to start the playoffs.
I remember a year or two ago, KT2000 had formulated a playoff format that had a better layout than we have now. Anyway good luck to all SLC fans.


Remember after this weekend every team is undefeated and on a quest for a state championship.

[toughcasey]

SLC and Trinity played 7 on 7 pre season! :)

[gldneagles]

agreed. trinity beat every team in front of them during the playoffs...convincingly. that is what it takes to be
CHAMPION! what i saw on the tv last saturday......outstanding TEAM. anything else is just some frustrated FANS trying to justify thier own egos.


slc can try to turn this thing back to themselves, but it ain't happening.

[farmerfan]

agreed. trinity beat every team in front of them during the playoffs...convincingly. that is what it takes to be
CHAMPION! what i saw on the tv last saturday......outstanding TEAM. anything else is just some frustrated FANS trying to justify thier own egos.


slc can try to turn this thing back to themselves, but it ain't happening.


The majority of the SL posters have been more than complimentary of Trinity and their state title. Most of the grumblings have come from teams who lost in D2 and felt that Trinity's title is somehow tainted.

[The Great Evaluator]

The majority of the SL posters have been more than complimentary of Trinity and their state title. Most of the grumblings have come from teams who lost in D2 and felt that Trinity's title is somehow tainted.
Agreed! Good luck to the Dragons this Saturday. I think i speak for most, if not all Trinity fans when I say bring it home to the metroplex!

[FeeltheHaka]

I swear I love these debates! I don't like it when it gets personal, but just the facts. I would love in theory to see one clear winner. But, I wonder; would we still be here debating these things if there was one winner? Two things come to mind. First thing, was a radio show debating the college bowl and rankings system. The best argument which kind of changed my perception; was the arguement, that it gives us something to debate about.
All the number crunching to try and prove a point. It's kind of fun isn't it? The second thing comes to mind was a Gainesville player on the news the other night after losing their state championship game. While pondering the loss, he said; "I'll take 2nd place out of 300 teams." He held his head high while he said this. I thought to myself, he is right. There is nothing shameful about 2nd place. Does anyone here remember the day when the NFL had a separate game to determine who is second place? I kind of miss that. Also, in the NFL; how many times has the best team choked in either the playoffs or the Superbowl. None of us can honestly say each year, that the best team won the superbowl. No matter what system is in place, there will always be debates on who was really the best team.

[Dragonuncle]

By gldneagles quote {slc can try to turn this thing back to themselves, but it ain't happening.[/QUOTE]


Son, what are you so angry about. The thread started out as Trinity vs. SLC. The game that will not happen this year. Every comment tonight (mutiple threads) you have bashed SLC posters for posting in a thread that included them from the start. Trinity Trojans are D1 State Champions and no one, not SLC or anybody else can take that from them. Chill out on SLC. Congrats to Trinity.

[dragonfootballfan]

I have not read this post yet, but I think it may be a bit premature. Lets wait until after this weekend to make the decision on this. Katy has not won the championship yet so we cannot discuss any Katy vs. Trinity stuff yet. Katy still has to get through a very good Carroll team

[TrojanHorse03]

Yeah, its surprising how premature people are being.

[PaulinPlano]

The Division I and Division II arrangement is a mess. I believe SLC & Katy are the 2 best teams in 5A. Trinity had the luxury of landing in Division I and that is just the way it is. They had (By far) the easiest path to a state championship in the history of Highschool football. SLC would have blasted every team Trinity played without fail. I am not taking anything away from Trinity....but they had a cakewalk. Whether SLC or Katy (& I believe this will be SLC's year) wins division II, Either one of these teams will win more praise than Trinity. This year, Division II will be considered better than Division II. I officially request we do away with Division I & II in 5A!!

If Flower Mound beats Plano East and East missed the playoffs, Plano would probably be the D1 Champions.;)

[TrojanHorse03]

Hey like I said you guys are more than welcome to the 2005 edition of the Hypothetical State Championship :D :rolleyes: ! When's the parade?

[PaulinPlano]

Hey like I said you guys are more than welcome to the 2005 edition of the Hypothetical State Championship :D :rolleyes: ! When's the parade?

True. I just threw that out there because both Plano and ET played SGP late in the season.

[pack0808]

The majority of the SL posters have been more than complimentary of Trinity and their state title. Most of the grumblings have come from teams who lost in D2 and felt that Trinity's title is somehow tainted.

Please, I have said the same thing since the playoffs started on how uneven it was this year. It was very obvious. I can have my opinion if i want and it is simply that, my opinion. My little opinion does not change the fact the Trinity is a state champ. :rolleyes: I am sorry that is how i feel. But again, congrats on your championship Trinity you deserved it and even us doubters cannot take it away from you.

[farmerfan]

Please, I have said the same thing since the playoffs started on how uneven it was this year. It was very obvious. I can have my opinion if i want and it is simply that, my opinion. My little opinion does not change the fact the Trinity is a state champ. :rolleyes: I am sorry that is how i feel. But again, congrats on your championship Trinity you deserved it and even us doubters cannot take it away from you.

What exactly was wrong with my post? it is true. I dont care what you have been saying all along, you are down playing this state title and that is flat out wrong. The evidence is out there on people who have down played Trinity's state title and the majority of them come from teams who lost in D2. You know come to think of it, Lufkin wasnt the true state champ in 2001, since Mesquite did go undefeated and Lufkin lost a game and D1 was tougher than D2 in 2001 that means Lufkins state title is tainted. :D

[pack0808]

What exactly was wrong with my post? it is true. I dont care what you have been saying all along, you are down playing this state title and that is flat out wrong. The evidence is out there on people who have down played Trinity's state title and the majority of them come from teams who lost in D2. You know come to think of it, Lufkin wasnt the true state champ in 2001, since Mesquite did go undefeated and Lufkin lost a game and D1 was tougher than D2 in 2001 that means Lufkins state title is tainted. :D

If i want to down play a title because i think they had a easier path and i think this system is bogus that is my problem not your's. It does vary each year on which division is tougher. It is just my opinion and i am sorry i feel that way. That is the system and it is not Trinity's fault that the #1 team is not in their division. I could be wrong they could be the best but i do not believe it?? Oh and by the way, Lufkin was a undefeated "Texas" champ in 2001. Their one loss was to the #3 team in the nation at the time Shreveport Evangel. :p I would have to go back and look and see if div1 was tougher then div2 in 2001 i do not remember?? Everybody was saying the same thing about Tyler Lee's title last year and you did not make this big a deal out of it?? I wonder why metroplex boy?? ;)

[farmerfan]

If i want to down play a title because i think they had a easier path and i think this system is bogus that is my problem not your's. It does very each year on which division is tougher. It is just my opinion and i am sorry i feel that way. That is the system and it is not Trinity's fault that the #1 team is not in their division. I could be wrong they could be the best but i do not believe it?? Oh and by the way, Lufkin was a undefeated "Texas" champ in 2001. Their one loss was to the #3 team in the nation at the time Shreveport Evangel. :p I would have to go back and look and see if div1 was tougher then div2 in 2001 i do not remember?? Everybody was saying the same thing about Tyler Lee's title last year and you did not make this big a deal out of it?? I wonder why metroplex boy. ;)

In 2001 both divisions had 5 of the final top 10 in it. It was my belief that Div1 was the tougher of the 2 that year.
I did not need to defend East Texas. You guys had plenty representing Tyler and the region doing their defending. When it comes to the metroplex I will go to bat for them, especially those darn running teams, ;) .
I like metroplex boy, thanks it fits well.

[pack0808]

That 4-6 Taft team had to be a tough game for Mesquite in 2001. ;)


Here is the list on who each played. You be the judge.


2001 div1

Mesquite 16 Plano East 3
Mesquite 21 Tyler Lee 7 The Panthers beat Lee 21-0 that year.
Mesquite 25 The Woodlands 14
Mesquite 28 FossilRidgle 16
Mesquite 14 Taft (4-6) 13



2001 div2

Lufkin 35 Dallas Carter 16
Lufkin 24 Plano 19
Lufkin 34 Killeen 20
Lufkin 26 Spring Westfield 19
Lufkin 27 Euless Trinity 23
Lufkin 38 Austin Westlake 24

[farmerfan]

That 4-6 Taft team had to be a tough game for Mesquite in 2001. ;)


Here is the list on who each played. You be the judge.


2001 div1

Mesquite 16 Plano East 3
Mesquite 21 Tyler Lee 7 The Panthers beat Lee 21-0 that year.
Mesquite 25 The Woodlands 14
Mesquite 28 FossilRidgle 16
Mesquite 14 Taft (4-6) 13



2001 div2

Lufkin 35 Dallas Carter 16
Lufkin 24 Plano 19
Lufkin 34 Killeen 20
Lufkin 26 Spring Westfield 19
Lufkin 27 Euless Trinity 23
Lufkin 38 Austin Westlake 24

Mesquite was a wishbone team in 2001, they played taht state title game in a monsoon at Alamo Stadium. The same day taht Lufkin and Trinity played in Tyler. Taft finished 12-3 that year. Mesquite won games on the strength of defense. They had one of the toughest defenses in the state.
The Fossil Ridge team they beat in the semi finals was playing as good as any team in teh state when they beat them. FR was the team who went out to Odessa and beat Midland Lee to snap their run of consecutive state championships.

[pack0808]

Mesquite was a wishbone team in 2001, they played taht state title game in a monsoon at Alamo Stadium. The same day taht Lufkin and Trinity played in Tyler. Taft finished 12-3 that year. Mesquite won games on the strength of defense. They had one of the toughest defenses in the state.
The Fossil Ridge team they beat in the semi finals was playing as good as any team in teh state when they beat them. FR was the team who went out to Odessa and beat Midland Lee to snap their run of consecutive state championships.


Why did i hear that Taft team had a 4-6 regular season team. I must have heard some major bs?? I could go on about the tough teams Lufkin had to face like Westfield, Trinity, and Austin Westlake but i will spare you. Either way both deserved championships. I just thought this year was BY FAR the most unbalanced the division's have ever been and the fact's back me up. Either way they won and did what they had to do. I just hate the system and think it is bogus at times.

[RidgePride]

Southlake and Trinity are the 2 best teams in the state its too bad there not playing each other this year what a crappy playoff system this state has, should it be changed?????
Hate to break it to you but Trinity is not one of the two best in Texas. If Plano would have been D1, There is a good chance they would have beaten Trinity. I saw both teams play. Plano twice and Trinity 4 times. I believe Plano is better. Maybe even Lufkin is better than Trinity. I knew that if Trinity won the D1 Championship, everyone would think they could hang with Southlake.

Trinity did not look so great against IMAC - SGP or for that matter Fossil Ridge.

I believe Trinity is in the top 5-7 range. The other top schools happend to all go D2

[RidgePride]

You'll have to take my word for it that SGP game was part fluke, and part Trinity overlooking the game and SGP coming to play. Now, a good team shouldn't let this happen

The SGP Game was no fluke. I was at that game as well as the Trinity-IMAC game.

IMAC could easily have beaten Trinity and had many chances to do so.

SGP and IMAC were able to throw the ball easily against Trinity. Fossil Ridge hung 20 points on Trinity with a pass oriented offense.

Southlake Carroll would murder Trinity's secondary.

[TrojanHorse03]

Its so funny hearing from a fossil ridge fan. I imagine since fossil ridge hasn't as much smelled a state championsship, you wouldn't recognize a champ when you saw one. I'm sure you were watching quite a few games after you guys were put away so early. You guys probably were the softest team we played. I was right there when all 4 of your defensive linemen, who all stood over 6'4 went down to the ground at snap of the ball to create a pileup like lil punks. Even that el paso team played us straight up! Had Laderrick not fumbled for what was going to be another toughdown it would of been another 40 point day. Speaking of passing are wideouts were "mossifying" your corners pretty good that day, LOL :p.

[THEsouthlakeCARROLL]

And i thought i wouldnt get to see a something unneccessary posted before i went to bed, well you proved me wrong

[Bootsdaddy]

I swear I love these debates! I don't like it when it gets personal, but just the facts. I would love in theory to see one clear winner. But, I wonder; would we still be here debating these things if there was one winner? Two things come to mind. First thing, was a radio show debating the college bowl and rankings system. The best argument which kind of changed my perception; was the arguement, that it gives us something to debate about.
All the number crunching to try and prove a point. It's kind of fun isn't it? The second thing comes to mind was a Gainesville player on the news the other night after losing their state championship game. While pondering the loss, he said; "I'll take 2nd place out of 300 teams." He held his head high while he said this. I thought to myself, he is right. There is nothing shameful about 2nd place. Does anyone here remember the day when the NFL had a separate game to determine who is second place? I kind of miss that. Also, in the NFL; how many times has the best team choked in either the playoffs or the Superbowl. None of us can honestly say each year, that the best team won the superbowl. No matter what system is in place, there will always be debates on who was really the best team.

No, no one here remembers when the NFL had a seperate game to determine 2nd place. Please elaborate.

[lonny23]

I am amazed to sit and read all of the continuous posts concerning Trinity. All of the people that continue to take their shots at Trinity: Ranging from they lost to a team that they shouldn't have (SGP), they wouldn't have even played in the title game if there was a "BCS" type seeding in h.s.
So what if Trinity lost 1 game. They did what they had to do in the playoff system that is in place. No matter what the scores of the games they played, they don't get credit. For example, SLC beat Mac by a very sound amount while Trinity only won by 7 pts. What does it matter. A "W" is a "W".. no matter if by 1 pt to 50 pts. The question I want to ask of everyone that is so quick to put down Trinity's run to the Texas Bowl.

Hypothetical of course:
IF SLC had gone DIV 1 and played Trinity and won, that would have been the only "quality" victory according to all of the posts in order for SLC to win the DIV 1 title prior to the championship. Would there have been all of the posts that SLC had "the easiest path to the championship"? I doubt anyone would have said that.. SO why does everyone have it in for Trinity to try to put a "astericks" next to their championship?

Give the Trojans their due. They played the teams in the bracket as it was set up. That was not in their control.. Just like it wouldn't have been in SLC control had they played Div.1.

I know people have said congrats to the Trojans, but I can't believe all of the negative stuff about a team that worked as hard as any other team in the state of texas to reach their goals this year. Give them their due and leave it alone.
I hate to hear that, but that's all we heard about all year last year, too. Before the playoffs even start, the talk is about how much better D2 is. 2003 was the only year that nobody said D2 was better.

[lonny23]

I'm a Northshore fan, but I say HAKA to all the LOSERS that are trying to diminish Trinity's CHAMPIONSHIP. HAKA HAKA HAKA. To all you wanna be's: Play your schedule. Play your playoff opponents. Don't make excuses when you lose. That's what champion's do.
Come on Katy.....whup that SLC butt.
I never had a clue you were a North Shore fan!;)

[lonny23]

The majority of the SL posters have been more than complimentary of Trinity and their state title. Most of the grumblings have come from teams who lost in D2 and felt that Trinity's title is somehow tainted.
Those same teams stood a good chance to lose in D1, too. SV might've not beaten Judson a 2nd time. Lufkin, Plano, Cove, and Abilene stood a good chance to lose to Trinity.

[lonny23]

That 4-6 Taft team had to be a tough game for Mesquite in 2001. ;)


Here is the list on who each played. You be the judge.


2001 div1

Mesquite 16 Plano East 3
Mesquite 21 Tyler Lee 7 The Panthers beat Lee 21-0 that year.
Mesquite 25 The Woodlands 14
Mesquite 28 FossilRidgle 16
Mesquite 14 Taft (4-6) 13



2001 div2

Lufkin 35 Dallas Carter 16
Lufkin 24 Plano 19
Lufkin 34 Killeen 20
Lufkin 26 Spring Westfield 19
Lufkin 27 Euless Trinity 23
Lufkin 38 Austin Westlake 24
Taft wasn't 4-6 in 2001. They were 12-3 and beat the 2002 champs in the 2nd Round. They had Robert Merrill, who was an almost unstoppable RB all year.
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2001SchedWkly5ADist27.html

[lonny23]

Why did i hear that Taft team had a 4-6 regular season team. I must have heard some major bs?? I could go on about the tough teams Lufkin had to face like Westfield, Trinity, and Austin Westlake but i will spare you. Either way both deserved championships. I just thought this year was BY FAR the most unbalanced the division's have ever been and the fact's back me up. Either way they won and did what they had to do. I just hate the system and think it is bogus at times.
The worst team to play for a 5A title was the 5-5 Euless Trinity team in 1992, who waited until Game 15 to play like a 5-5 team. The favor was returned this year when the 2nd worst team at 6-4 lost to Trinity. Beaumont West Brook was 5-5 or 6-4 back in 1982 and as fate would have it, they played Judson in the semis. They're still the only team to beat Judson in the playoffs and win a title, not counting the Rockets title game losses.

[lonny23]

No, no one here remembers when the NFL had a seperate game to determine 2nd place. Please elaborate.
I always thought 2nd Place was determined by who lost the title game!:p

The NCAA Tournament once had a 3rd Place Game for semifinal losers, just like World Cup soccer.

Bigger is Better. That means Judson is the 2nd best team in Texas!:p

[mad_fan]

I always thought 2nd Place was determined by who lost the title game!:p

The NCAA Tournament once had a 3rd Place Game for semifinal losers, just like World Cup soccer.

Bigger is Better. That means Judson is the 2nd best team in Texas!:p

With SLC, Katy, SV, Madison....tied in one-and-a-half place.:p

[boto24]

The two best teams in 5A will meet today at noon at Texas Stadium. End of story.

[warbird00]

Southlake and Trinity are the 2 best teams in the state its too bad there not playing each other this year what a crappy playoff system this state has, should it be changed?????

Trinity wasnt even the best team in their district...:confused: SLC and Katy would beat ET, and their may be a few others in DII that woulda done the same.

[farmerfan]

Trinity wasnt even the best team in their district...:confused: SLC and Katy would beat ET, and their may be a few others in DII that woulda done the same.

Nice try.
Trinity was district champs, they shared the title with I-Mac and SGP. Their sate champs, and it is pure speculation to say they would have gotten beat by Katy or SLC.

[lonny23]

With SLC, Katy, SV, Madison....tied in one-and-a-half place.:p
Don't think for a minute I didn't see you put Madison in there!:D

Dolly Madison can't even beat Fran and his Little Debbies!:p

[boto24]

Nice try.
Trinity was district champs, they shared the title with I-Mac and SGP. Their sate champs, and it is pure speculation to say they would have gotten beat by Katy or SLC.
It's not speculation to say SGP would have beaten Trinity because they did just that. 15-0 would have given Trinity fans every bit of a reason to claim #1 in Texas, maybe in the nation, but having that silly little "1" in the loss column changes the whole scope of things at the end of the season when these comparisons come up.

[lonny23]

Nice try.
Trinity was district champs, they shared the title with I-Mac and SGP. Their sate champs, and it is pure speculation to say they would have gotten beat by Katy or SLC.
You hit it on the head when you said it's D2 people. Everybody is vying for position and it's easy to attack others you didn't play. The D2 guys that lost are all trying to say they'd beat the D1 guys and it's all speculation.

I'm starting a tournament to see who we think would win each game. That will be fun. I'm doing a single 96 team tournament.

[TrojanHorse03]

Trinity wasnt even the best team in their district...:confused: SLC and Katy would beat ET, and their may be a few others in DII that woulda done the same.

Warbird....Long time no see.....:D

[SLCDRGN]

The 2 best teams in the state are playing today in the Division II State Championship!! These guys are much more proven than anyone in Divivion I. The vast majority of the top 10 went to Division II. That should tell you something!!

[warbird00]

Warbird....Long time no see.....:D

Smile all you want...I smile everytime I think about the last time Trinity faced the Eagles :) Besides I've made no statement that ET isnt good, but how in the world can a team that didnt get outta district as outright champs be considered the best in the state? I know it makes Judson's loss look better but that arguement doesnt hold water. Neither of the teams that Trinity "shared" their district championship with would beat SLC and their is no doubt about that. Number one and number two in the state are in question, but they'll be working that out today at Texas Stadium. ET is a solid three--perhaps four behind Plano.

[lonny23]

I'm about to have a home for this discussion. I'll do the SuperBracket with 96 playoff teams and we can vote on who wins.

[StarmanDX]

Trinity played 0 Top 25 teams(From this site's poll) in the playoffs, played no teams that they were weak to(pass oriented offenses) and SLC played 6 top 25 teams and played all kinds of offenses.

[dragonfan020405]

WOW well first of all . We are not in the same division . Yes It may be a good game if there was but we didnt write the scores or the polls... all we did was play our hardest

SUCCESS

cc = CARROLL CARROLL
ss= southlake southlake

[dragonfan020405]

Trinity played 0 Top 25 teams(From this site's poll) in the playoffs, played no teams that they were weak to(pass oriented offenses) and SLC played 6 top 25 teams and played all kinds of offenses.



WE play the harder teams and still win.

[btrain38]

TRAINITY TROJANS

...STATE CHAMPS


Carroll dragons

... STATE CHAMPS

That all I will says and you can not take that away from them.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

The best two teams did meet this year. SLC vs Plano. Was truly the state championship. It was just 2 weeks early.:)

[TrojanHorse03]

The best two teams did meet this year. SLC vs Plano. Was truly the state championship. It was just 2 weeks early.:)

I imagine you weren't watching the rest of the playoffs after Plano got ELIMINATED!

[lonny23]

I imagine you weren't watching the rest of the playoffs after Plano got ELIMINATED!
Hopefully, we can get some type of consensus in the next few weeks with the SuperBracket games. I look forward to seeing how everybody dissects individual matchups. That's better than taking a big pool of teams and deciding who is 1-10 without eliminating them. We always run the risk of having the best team get beat early or another team that's worse than another team keep moving on.

[RidgePride]

The best two teams did meet this year. SLC vs Plano. Was truly the state championship. It was just 2 weeks early.:)

Agree 100%

[ths76021]

No matter what anyone wants to speculate should Trinity had played them, the point is.. Trinity won their championship as did SLC. For all of the others crying about Trinity not playing anyone, or the championship game was between SLC and Plano.. Think about this.. No one remembers who finished second, third, fourth or so on. They remember, who finished first. Trinity did that in 2005 as did SLC. Anything else is wasted dribble.

[jacklewis]

trinity coach Lineweaver should be sending a special thank you note to Fossil Ridge coach Hal Wasson for beating Denton Ryan in the final game of the regular season.

Had that not happened, Carroll would have gone D1 and blown out Trinity in bi-district....and hung half a hundred on every other D1 opponent.

top 5:
1--SLC
2--Lufkin
3--Plano
4--Katy
5--Highland Park

[gritty52]

Lineweaver don't owe jack to no one!!!!!! You are another Trinity fan I can tell. What have they done to you for you to come on here and talk about apologies. ALL I KNOW IS IT IS LONELY AT THE TOP!!!!!!! ALSO CONTRARY TO BELIEF TRINITY WAS NOT SCARED TO PLAY SLC. They aren't scared of no one!!!

[FeeltheHaka]

Converse beat Westfield (a top 10 team)
Trinity beat Converse
ergo..........

Believe you/me, we wanted to play Southlake so bad this year you have no idea.

I saw the Plano - Southlake game and the Katy - Southlake game.
I can tell you that Trinity would have beaten Plano and Katy.
I also believe that Plano could have beaten Katy.

Take a look at how much Trinity beat their opponents by. And this is using their 2nd and 3rd string mid way through the 3rd quarter and beyond.

[warbird00]

Converse beat Westfield (a top 10 team)
Trinity beat Converse
ergo..........

Believe you/me, we wanted to play Southlake so bad this year you have no idea.

I saw the Plano - Southlake game and the Katy - Southlake game.
I can tell you that Trinity would have beaten Plano and Katy.
I also believe that Plano could have beaten Katy.

Take a look at how much Trinity beat their opponents by. And this is using their 2nd and 3rd string mid way through the 3rd quarter and beyond.

And just how would you explain away their loss? What about how SLC murdered one of ET's district co-champs and beat the team that kicked out the other? Hmmm the ONE benefit of the college system is a that a one loss team with a weaker schedule is put in their place--lower in the rankings. Enjoy your championship ET and thank Ryan for losing to Fossil Ridge or you would still be without one. SORRY!

[FeeltheHaka]

Is it possible that Trinity softened and demoralized Imac?
Like I said, I am going by what I saw; and my opinion. I think Trinity would have beaten Plano and Katy. I did not see Lufkin, so I don't know.

[ths76021]

Its sad to see that everyone thinks Trinity should thank Fossil Ridge for their championship. Wrong.. Trinity played and beat the 5 teams they had to in the Div. 1 championship. Period. They didn't control who was in the bracket. For all of the so called experts out here.... If SLC had gone Div. 1 and beat Trinity, Would the people in Div. 2 be thanking DR for beating Fossil Ridge? That would have be the only reason anyone other than SLC would have won Div. 2 correct? I believe I made my point..

[dragonsdaddy]

Its sad to see that everyone thinks Trinity should thank Fossil Ridge for their championship. Wrong.. Trinity played and beat the 5 teams they had to in the Div. 1 championship. Period. They didn't control who was in the bracket. For all of the so called experts out here.... If SLC had gone Div. 1 and beat Trinity, Would the people in Div. 2 be thanking DR for beating Fossil Ridge? That would have be the only reason anyone other than SLC would have won Div. 2 correct? I believe I made my point..
hindsight being perfect, i can think of at least 6 teams in d-2 who would love for dr to have beaten fr. these same people would have derided either et or slc's easy ride thru the d-1 po's.

[RidgePride]

Converse beat Westfield (a top 10 team)
Trinity beat Converse
ergo..........

Believe you/me, we wanted to play Southlake so bad this year you have no idea.

I saw the Plano - Southlake game and the Katy - Southlake game.
I can tell you that Trinity would have beaten Plano and Katy.
I also believe that Plano could have beaten Katy.

Take a look at how much Trinity beat their opponents by. And this is using their 2nd and 3rd string mid way through the 3rd quarter and beyond.

I saw Fossil Ridge play - Trinity - Plano - and Southlake Carroll. Trinity was be far the weakest of the three.
The Trinity- Plano game would have been close. Plano had probably the best Secondary SLC faced this year. Trinity's secondary is garbage.

[RidgePride]

Is it possible that Trinity softened and demoralized Imac?
Like I said, I am going by what I saw; and my opinion. I think Trinity would have beaten Plano and Katy. I did not see Lufkin, so I don't know.
That is what the Ohio fans are saying about Tyler Lee this year.
How dare you stoop to the lowest of lows for LAME excuses.

[RidgePride]

Its sad to see that everyone thinks Trinity should thank Fossil Ridge for their championship. Wrong.. Trinity played and beat the 5 teams they had to in the Div. 1 championship. Period. They didn't control who was in the bracket. For all of the so called experts out here.... If SLC had gone Div. 1 and beat Trinity, Would the people in Div. 2 be thanking DR for beating Fossil Ridge? That would have be the only reason anyone other than SLC would have won Div. 2 correct? I believe I made my point..
The answer to that would be yes! Katy - Plano or Lufkin was a Denton Ryan win away from being DII Champions.

[gritty52]

Once again I believe we have the coulda,woulda, shoulda kings on here. Ridge you ought to take yourself and that team of yours back to 4A where you won most of your games. Trinity had alot to say about where we played. WE PLAYED WHO WE WERE TOLD TO PLAY!Yaw are real lucky we were off the night we played yaw. You most likely would have been on the other side of a severe rectum kicking. As you saw the rest of the way in the playoffs it got pretty severe. Yaw were the weakest team we played (maybe PESH) in playoffs. Go lick yourself and take your rectum kicking like a man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAKAAAAAAAA!!!!!

[bullrock]

We hear this same crap every time we win a championship. I think they need to put a permanent asterisk beside every Div. I state championship. Would that make everybody happy? Funny thing about it is the only ones who cry about it, and it is the same ones every year, don't even compete in Div. I. I don't have to type any names because we all know who you are. In the mean time, we'll continue to play and hopefully win that tainted trophy and ya'll can all "eat your hearts out!".
Trinity, you'll never win this arguement. Just enjoy your championship because regardless of what anybody says, you earned it and deserve it and I'll bet it looks good in your trophy case too!

[warbird00]

We hear this same crap every time we win a championship. I think they need to put a permanent asterisk beside every Div. I state championship. Would that make everybody happy? Funny thing about it is the only ones who cry about it, and it is the same ones every year, don't even compete in Div. I. I don't have to type any names because we all know who you are. In the mean time, we'll continue to play and hopefully win that tainted trophy and ya'll can all "eat your hearts out!".
Trinity, you'll never win this arguement. Just enjoy your championship because regardless of what anybody says, you earned it and deserve it and I'll bet it looks good in your trophy case too!


The one possible positive of four teams going to the playoffs is that the divisions will be much more evenly split. It is almost impossible for a division that only gets 33% of the teams to be as difficult overall as one that gets 66% of the playoff teams. Not really that hard of a jump to make...:rolleyes:
And SLC still did it more convincingly.

[ths76021]

Ridge....you really need to think about what you're saying. Katy, Plano and Lufkin each had their chance to win the D2 championship against the best (SLC) and didn't win. SO what you're saying is they..needed someone else's help(DR in this case) for them to win a championship..when they couldn't do it on their own. (i mean no disrespect to Katy, Plano or Lufkin - just trying to make a point) Believe me, the trinity football team wanted the chance to play SLC to see how well they measured up to the best. Win or lose, it would have been decided on the field and not in these threads as everyone is trying to do. However, once KFR beat Dr, I guess that is why they weren't to excited in the game against KFR and played to the level of their opponent and did enough to win the game.
Just as Bullrock said.. Trinity will never win this argument. Trinity has their championship and there is nothing you or anyone can say that will get Plano, Lufkin, Katy or anyone else the title of State Champions in 2005 that both Trinity and SLC won this year.

[toonman]

The best outcome of FR beating DR is that we have 2 (very worthy) State Champions, not only in the DFW Metroplex, but an even more narrower geographic area - Tarrant County. Think about it; both 5A State Championship within less than 10 miles of each other. It is great that North East Tarrant County is the best area for 5A Football.

[KT2000]

I give due respect to yall up north this year. DFW got it done and it looked like it might be a year for that area on paper going into this season. Outstanding talent and teams as usual.