Which 4a to 5a move would you like to see?

[biki1121]

So the question is,,, which 4a school would you like to see move to 5a in the upcoming realignment.

Personally, I would like to see Highland Park move to 5a. Despite several rumors about their enrollment. I have heard this year they have the numbers. But I don't know for sure.

So again, who would you like to see move to 5a and is it possible with their enrollment?

[dada]

So the question is,,, which 4a school would you like to see move to 5a in the upcoming realignment.

Personally, I would like to see Highland Park move to 5a. Despite several rumors about their enrollment. I have heard this year they have the numbers. But I don't know for sure.

So again, who would you like to see move to 5a and is it possible with their enrollment?
LaMarque and Brenham. CC Calallen

[PantherFan70]

I want to See Boerne go to 5A. when I saw them play this year they had some good sized boys, and a powerful offense. I think if they went 5A, the first year they would struggle a little but, definatley a contender the 2nd year in 5A.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Marshall, Texas High and NAC. I know East Texas fans see what i'm getting at here right???

[StormingCowboy]

Highland Park

[KatyLinebacker47]

La Marque. I think they could play with 5a now. They are an excellent program. They would be a handful in 5a.

[Big_Maar]

Marshall, Texas High and NAC. I know East Texas fans see what i'm getting at here right???

12 5-A BABY!!!:eek:

[biki1121]

Marshall, Texas High and NAC. I know East Texas fans see what i'm getting at here right???

That would still only give 7 in that district. UIL is going to push for at least 8 in all districts with 4 teams now eligible for the playoffs. Spring Hill just hasn't had the growth they expected but it is growing. Jacksonville has seen an increase in population as well but not that big in terms of enrollment in the upper levels. Nac may actually be eligible again however. They saw an increase over the past 3 years that may get it done. However, I think they are happy right now in 4A. I have no idea about Kilgore.

[farmerfan]

Hebron
I have seen them twice now, my buddy was at the Frenship game last week, Hebron is loaded. They have tons of athletes and are well coached. They have a defense that would give HP fits. The coaching staff at Hebron is pretty good to, Head Coach Brian Brazil was the DC at Lewisville till 98, the seondary coach is Dane Johnson, they have the ability to move up to 5A and make some noise. They are most likely going to be 5A next year, and when Coach Brazil was asked if they were ready for 5A he chuckled and said "Were ready". With a win this week, they will become the 3rd LISD high school to win a state title in the last 10 years, (Lewisville 96, Marcus 97). They are going to be good for a long time.

[GTown02]

I would like to see Highland Park and LaMarque move up. They could compete with a lot of teams.

[DragonBand06]

Highland Park, I think they'd bring a whole new dimension to 5A Div. II

[Redneckn]

Highland Park. They just may be THE best team in the great state of Texas right now...

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

12 5-A BABY!!!:eek:
Yep the best district in Texas until the UIL rubbed their money hungry noses in it.

[DragonBand06]

Highland Park. They just may be THE best team in the great state of Texas right now...

Whoa, whoa, whoa there... now let's not get carried away :)

[BAMF cowboy]

definitely highland park, i dont know if they could hang with us big boys.

in a related note, i read in the paper today that Fossil Ridge is most likely moving down to 4A. I believe Richland is as well, as DR might be too. That's 3 teams from 5 - 5A right there. Keller Central will fill one of those voids definitely, and the FWST said that Northwest would also be moving up.

[Redneckn]

Whoa, whoa, whoa there... now let's not get carried away :)


Actually, I got that from an SLC fan on another board. That's what he said. I'll have to go and try and find the post and cut and paste it.. I generally dont talk Tx ball anywhere but here, but the La people were quiet today and I was reading some stuff there.

I also heard that the Highland Park people have more money than the SLC people...

[BAMF cowboy]

Actually, I got that from an SLC fan on another board. That's what he said. I'll have to go and try and find the post and cut and paste it.. I generally dont talk Tx ball anywhere but here, but the La people were quiet today and I was reading some stuff there.

I also heard that the Highland Park people have more money than the SLC people...

that's true. also, most people don't know but the average income per capita blah blah w/e for colleyville is higher than southlake, yet they still accuse us of being rich snobs. they need to take a nice long look in the mirror

[Primetime536]

Killeen, eslison, and waco midway

[AZTiger]

funny, everyone in Dallas says Highland Park, everyone in Houston says LaMarque. Both are quality choices.

[Redneckn]

I think y'all are rich snobs... I mean, that doesnt make me hate you though. If you can be rich and you can be a snob, then more power to you.. I wish I could be a rich snob instead of an eccentric middle class redneck.

But, if we were all rich snobs, then we wouldnt know we were rich snobs.
That's why being equal sucks.

[ftballin11]

Brenham, La Marque, CC Calallen are my top 3... like somebody else already said. Brenham, always a good team and beat La Marque which has been a killer in past years. La Marque, always a top contender in the race. CC Calallen, they beat brenham just this weekend 31-17 I believe and aren't a 1 year wonder as we know.

Don't know the estimated attendance on either 3 of these teams, so I'm not talking about population wise. Just who I would like to see contend at the 5a level. And yes, I know these may not be the best teams in the world, just teams I would like to see play up in 5a.;)

[TexasRed6x]

New Braunsfels goinig back to 26-5A that would be nice, I would also like Borene to go to 5A in San Antonio.

[clemensbuff]

LaMarque and Brenham. CC Calallen

CC Calallen already wipes the floor with all the 5a teams that they play in non-district games, including the ones from SA when they've scheduled them. I think all three of your choices would make a hell of a lot of noise in 5a!

[clemensbuff]

New Braunsfels goinig back to 26-5A that would be nice, I would also like Borene to go to 5A in San Antonio.

26-5a would destroy NB! They are on a steady downslide that started the year after they played for the title in 4a (I think 3 years ago). The only team in the current 26 that NB would even stand a chance against would be Lee, the rest would murder them. Boerne on the other hand is on their way up. I beleive they would do OK in 5a but not be dominant yet. I know they had their way with OC but that was very early in the season and OC was a very young team this year. If they'd played late in the season, OC would have taken it to them!

[TexasRed6x]

26-5a would destroy NB! They are on a steady downslide that started the year after they played for the title in 4a (I think 3 years ago). The only team in the current 26 that NB would even stand a chance against would be Lee, the rest would murder them. Boerne on the other hand is on their way up. I beleive they would do OK in 5a but not be dominant yet. I know they had their way with OC but that was very early in the season and OC was a very young team this year. If they'd played late in the season, OC would have taken it to them!

The problem here is who will stay in 26-5 A I still think that SV, Judson and Wagner will go in with Seguin, East Central, NB, SM and possibly Southwest.

[GoOwls]

Highland Park and Wylie up to 5A and put in 11-5A with the Garland schools. There would be some wars........grand, glorious wars........

[clemensbuff]

The problem here is who will stay in 26-5 A I still think that SV, Judson and Wagner will go in with Seguin, East Central, NB, SM and possibly Southwest.

You're exactly right. Whenever the UIL sticks their long nose in, anything can happen. I surely hope that somehow the 26 stays somewhat intact. All I'm saying in my previous post is that NB is nowhere near the team they were a few years ago. I work in NB and have done a lot of work for the NBISD and they are and have been right on the cutoff to be 5a for a long, long, long time. The four years that they were in 5a they were at the top of their game. They are nowhere near that level right now. They struggle with mediocre 4a teams and get whacked by the good ones so being able to compete at the 5a level right now I believe would be out of the question for them. They might make a turn around soon but I just don't see it happening.

[insider]

definitely highland park, i dont know if they could hang with us big boys.


Gee - this from a rep of team that came up from 4a and immediately were dominate - clearly it can happen...:cool:

[garland04]

Highland Park and Wylie up to 5A and put in 11-5A with the Garland schools. There would be some wars........grand, glorious wars........


that would be glorious to reform the old garland/ dirty HP rivalry. We think Garland-dirty south is a big rivalry now, but just wait until the rich boy/poor boy firestorm is rekindled.

[sgfantoo]

Highland Park and Wylie up to 5A and put in 11-5A with the Garland schools. There would be some wars........grand, glorious wars........

Now this would be really interesting. Can HP pull this off if it goes to 5A. Will UIL allow a 9 team district? Would HP choose GISD as a district so it could push around the GISD schools? Would Wylie be sent to ET to make 12-5A and 8 team district?

This will be fun to watch. Had not thought about it.

[GoOwls]

Now this would be really interesting. Can HP pull this off if it goes to 5A. Will UIL allow a 9 team district? Would HP choose GISD as a district so it could push around the GISD schools? Would Wylie be sent to ET to make 12-5A and 8 team district?

This will be fun to watch. Had not thought about it.

I've heard that the UIL will go for 10 team districts, so let's throw Rockwall in there too!!!! WOW!!!

[biki1121]

Just read today.......

Highland Park is probably going to be 1 student short of the enrollment for 5A.

Several new schools opening directly to 5A and a few to 4A in the Houston area. Also so expected moves probably to happen. Cove and Ryan to 4A. Oak up to 5A.

Now it's time for the UIL "choose districts with a dartboard method"!

[LoneRocket]

Highland Park and Wylie up to 5A and put in 11-5A with the Garland schools. There would be some wars........grand, glorious wars........
Don't be surprised if they put HP with DISD. Geographically it might make sense.

[LoneRocket]

The problem here is who will stay in 26-5 A I still think that SV, Judson and Wagner will go in with Seguin, East Central, NB, SM and possibly Southwest.
I think if only JISD goes that could hurt us in the playoffs. (strength of schedule) I think the key for us is what will they do with the Austin Schools, if they are put in region 4 it could mean travel for some schools.

[WildcatFan]

I would have to agree with others on this board with Highland Park.

I remember 2 years ago during the 0-10 plano season we played a scrimmage pre-season game against them at Clark and they whiped the snot out of Plano, which was a foreshadow to the rest of the season.

If their numbers are up I see no reason why they would not move up.

Odds are if they do move up it would be interesting to see which district they put them in if its in a DISD one they would certainly compete probably would win it all.

If realignment in this takes place I would like to see this line up.

W.T. White
H.P
Dallas Jesuit (private but plays in UIL)
Hillcrest
Skyline
Carter
Bryan Adams

or could fold them into Mesquite district as they have been used to playing 4A Poteet for years.

[GoOwls]

I think if only JISD goes that could hurt us in the playoffs. (strength of schedule) I think the key for us is what will they do with the Austin Schools, if they are put in region 4 it could mean travel for some schools.

I know it makes sense, but the HP folks have no desire to play 4 games in Dallas city stadiums against Dallas city teams. It's a bit......beneath them. Also, being a wealthy group, they fear their safety at those games. You can hoot me all you want, but if you doubt me, why have they never been in those districts in 4 or 5A before? Because they told the UIL they didn't want to be, so they weren't......period. Money talks. If you think it doesn't, how did they wrangle the UIL into allowing the broadcast of the State Championship game on a regional basis? Like I said, money talks.

[LoneRocket]

I know it makes sense, but the HP folks have no desire to play 4 games in Dallas city stadiums against Dallas city teams. It's a bit......beneath them. Also, being a wealthy group, they fear their safety at those games. You can hoot me all you want, but if you doubt me, why have they never been in those districts in 4 or 5A before? Because they told the UIL they didn't want to be, so they weren't......period. Money talks. If you think it doesn't, how did they wrangle the UIL into allowing the broadcast of the State Championship game on a regional basis? Like I said, money talks.
If some of them are crying about where they are playing for a championship, they might figure they would have an easy route to the playoffs against DISD. They might bring their own security or play Saturday games. I hear what you are saying I am watching wife swap on Fox similar situation.

[BandidoNB]

You're exactly right. Whenever the UIL sticks their long nose in, anything can happen. I surely hope that somehow the 26 stays somewhat intact. All I'm saying in my previous post is that NB is nowhere near the team they were a few years ago. I work in NB and have done a lot of work for the NBISD and they are and have been right on the cutoff to be 5a for a long, long, long time. The four years that they were in 5a they were at the top of their game. They are nowhere near that level right now. They struggle with mediocre 4a teams and get whacked by the good ones so being able to compete at the 5a level right now I believe would be out of the question for them. They might make a turn around soon but I just don't see it happening.

New Braunfels in the last four years.

2002 - Lost in 4A DI State Final (12-3) HC Rhoades
2003 - Lost in 4A DI Area Finals (8-4) HC Rhoades
2004 - Lost in 4A DI Bi-district Playoffs (6-5) HC Rhoades
2005 - Lost in 4A DI Bi-district Playoffs (4-7) HC Caniford

I think that NB's record this year might be a bit misleading due to the fact that they had losses to Boerne, NB Canyon, Stephenville and Pflugerville Connally. However I wont argue with New Braunfels declining. Personally I dont think Caniford is really doing all that bad. The NB JV finished as co-district champions so Im still optimistic about the future. They could possibly make the playoffs in 25-5A, but probably no playoffs in 26-5A. I wish I could see the 5A NB of the 1990's make a return :confused:

[rich_pack]

Wylie will be moving up and hopefully will be better than the past two years next season I hope. They have a good group of Jr high kids that are moving up the next few years. Some of these kids are in the 7th-8th grade and look bigger than some of the kids that played the Varsity level this year. I just do not know ehere we will be placed at yet. I would think with the Garland schools or Plano

[clemensbuff]

New Braunfels in the last four years.

2002 - Lost in 4A DI State Final (12-3) HC Rhoades
2003 - Lost in 4A DI Area Finals (8-4) HC Rhoades
2004 - Lost in 4A DI Bi-district Playoffs (6-5) HC Rhoades
2005 - Lost in 4A DI Bi-district Playoffs (4-7) HC Caniford

I think that NB's record this year might be a bit misleading due to the fact that they had losses to Boerne, NB Canyon, Stephenville and Pflugerville Connally. However I wont argue with New Braunfels declining. Personally I dont think Caniford is really doing all that bad. The NB JV finished as co-district champions so Im still optimistic about the future. They could possibly make the playoffs in 25-5A, but probably no playoffs in 26-5A. I wish I could see the 5A NB of the 1990's make a return :confused:

NB had 7 losses this year and you only mentioned 4 of the teams they lost to. You have to add Seguin to that list and the two other teams they lost to (not sure who they were). If they could not beat Seguin, what makes you think that they would have beaten SM or SC?

I do think that there is a good possiblility that NB will be back, and in the near future (maybe even next next year). And if you look at the numbers game (one of the largest 4a schools in the state) there is no reason they should not be a great 4a team each and every year, especially with their tradition. In an average year for NB (not last year) I beleive they would compete very well with most 5a teams and hold their own. But they would not stand a chance against the upper teams in the region.

[CCHS77]

If you think it doesn't, how did they wrangle the UIL into allowing the broadcast of the State Championship game on a regional basis? Like I said, money talks.

You actually think that there is an UIL rule against televising a non-5A championship game?


Was money involved? Sure. They found a sponser to underwrite the game's broadcast. Leave the UIL out of that one.

[bubbacoach]

I know as a coach that we anticipate the releasing or the reallignment every two years. We do not know a whole lot more about it than the normal fan. We hear rumors and speculation, but when the UIL is involved anything can happen. I have heard that UIL is pushing for 9 and 10 team district with the fourth playoff team being added. I have heard the number 2100 being thrown around as the cutoff for 5A at this reallignment, bu thwo knows for sure. In the near future the talking heads at UIL will get togethor and decide the future for all of us. They will get the average daily attendance from all the schools in the state. They will decide how many schools they want in each classification. They will decide how many districts they want. And then they will start putting some crazy scenarios togethor that we will all ask, how did that school end up there? Then a few schools will petition to move from one district to another or move up in classification and the UIL will decide on them on a case by case basis and then there we will have it. Like it or not we will be where the greater power wants us to be. Kinda sucks not knowing where you are going to be evry two years, but also, very exciting. Come Febuary first in field houses across Texas there will be coaches smiling, coaches writing resignations, and coaches with the same puzzled looks on their face as everyone else. Hope everyone ends up where they want to be, but don't count on it.:D

[c-lisle]

bring Marshall back to 5a. That will make it easier to get the old East Texas district back.

[clemensbuff]

I know as a coach that we anticipate the releasing or the reallignment every two years. We do not know a whole lot more about it than the normal fan. We hear rumors and speculation, but when the UIL is involved anything can happen. I have heard that UIL is pushing for 9 and 10 team district with the fourth playoff team being added. I have heard the number 2100 being thrown around as the cutoff for 5A at this reallignment, bu thwo knows for sure. In the near future the talking heads at UIL will get togethor and decide the future for all of us. They will get the average daily attendance from all the schools in the state. They will decide how many schools they want in each classification. They will decide how many districts they want. And then they will start putting some crazy scenarios togethor that we will all ask, how did that school end up there? Then a few schools will petition to move from one district to another or move up in classification and the UIL will decide on them on a case by case basis and then there we will have it. Like it or not we will be where the greater power wants us to be. Kinda sucks not knowing where you are going to be evry two years, but also, very exciting. Come Febuary first in field houses across Texas there will be coaches smiling, coaches writing resignations, and coaches with the same puzzled looks on their face as everyone else. Hope everyone ends up where they want to be, but don't count on it.:D

Bubbacoach, do you really think they would move the cutoff to 2,100? Would they do this to get more 5a schools back to 4a to balance the number of schools in each classification? That would make sense except for the fact that you would then have schools with less than 1,000 playing schools that have more than 2,000. Playing a school with twice the enrollment that you have would make it even harder to compete for the smaller classifications schools than 5a IMO.

[bubbacoach]

I think the number will be closer to 1950, but rumor has the number set at 2100

[WildcatFan]

Wylie will be moving up and hopefully will be better than the past two years next season I hope. They have a good group of Jr high kids that are moving up the next few years. Some of these kids are in the 7th-8th grade and look bigger than some of the kids that played the Varsity level this year. I just do not know ehere we will be placed at yet. I would think with the Garland schools or Plano

The scuttle-butt is if Wylie moves up they will go with 8-5A with Plano. This would be intersting as who would go.

Allen and Plano will be intact, Garland district is claiming they have too many schools.

Its no secret that Colony and Lewisville is crying to get out of 8-5A they feel that they cannot compete with Plano and Allen.

Don't know FM and FM Marcus' stance.

It will be interesting.

[PaulinPlano]

The scuttle-butt is if Wylie moves up they will go with 8-5A with Plano. This would be intersting as who would go.

Allen and Plano will be intact, Garland district is claiming they have too many schools.

Its no secret that Colony and Lewisville is crying to get out of 8-5A they feel that they cannot compete with Plano and Allen.

Don't know FM and FM Marcus' stance.

It will be interesting.

That is interesting. I have not heard that LISD wants out of 8-5A. Considering how LHS and The Colony were down this year, it makes sense. I Kind of enjoyed going to Lewisville and Flower Mound for games. But I would rather Plano Schools play Berkner and Lake Highlands. I don't think there will be many options besides the LISD schools for 8-5A unless Richardson Schools bump back up.

[farmerfan]

The scuttle-butt is if Wylie moves up they will go with 8-5A with Plano. This would be intersting as who would go.

Allen and Plano will be intact, Garland district is claiming they have too many schools.

Its no secret that Colony and Lewisville is crying to get out of 8-5A they feel that they cannot compete with Plano and Allen.

Don't know FM and FM Marcus' stance.

It will be interesting.

Thats the funniest thing I have ever heard and also the biggest load of crap I have ever seen posted. Just a year ago Lewisville finished in 4th ahead of Plano beating both Plano and PESH. We had one bad year very similar to what Plano had 2 years ago and now you claim we are crying to get out cause we cant compete. We had some young players this year and have a very impressive freshman class coiming up who Coach Gaddis feels will be able to contribute next year. This stuff runs in cycles, Plano enjoyed a great year after having 2 sub par years, Lewisville has been down lately, but we are not crying to get out of this district, trust me, the LISD schools and Lewisville can compete with the Plano schools, we have been doing it for years.

[farmerfan]

That is interesting. I have not heard that LISD wants out of 8-5A. Considering how LHS and The Colony were down this year, it makes sense. I Kind of enjoyed going to Lewisville and Flower Mound for games. But I would rather Plano Schools play Berkner and Lake Highlands. I don't think there will be many options besides the LISD schools for 8-5A unless Richardson Schools bump back up.

The LISD does not want out of the district. I have heard though that the LISD schools and the Carrollton schools will be in a district together next year. With Hebron moving up to 5A, that will give the LISD 5 high schools, Carrollton has 3 high schools and that will give us a 8 team district.
I hope we stay in with the Plano schools, I love playing them and the rivalry that is Lewisville/Plano.

[dragonsdaddy]

the census number is completely dependent on arriving at 245 5a schools, or whatever cutoff that is at least 1 greater than hp's number.

[GoOwls]

You actually think that there is an UIL rule against televising a non-5A championship game?


Was money involved? Sure. They found a sponser to underwrite the game's broadcast. Leave the UIL out of that one.

Nope, the UIL is always in the middle of everything. Don't get me wrong, I like the UIL and I think they do a wonderful job of co-ordinating over 1000 schools and pulling this season and playoffs off each year. They also don't go out of their way to broadcast non-5A, non-championship games.....or non 5A games period. I'm saying that without the HP money, however it was spent, the broadcast would have not come off.....period, and HP influence on the UIL didn't hurt one bit.

[myround0]

Wichita Falls Rider Raiders, move them to 5A

[WildcatFan]

Thats the funniest thing I have ever heard and also the biggest load of crap I have ever seen posted. Just a year ago Lewisville finished in 4th ahead of Plano beating both Plano and PESH. We had one bad year very similar to what Plano had 2 years ago and now you claim we are crying to get out cause we cant compete. We had some young players this year and have a very impressive freshman class coiming up who Coach Gaddis feels will be able to contribute next year. This stuff runs in cycles, Plano enjoyed a great year after having 2 sub par years, Lewisville has been down lately, but we are not crying to get out of this district, trust me, the LISD schools and Lewisville can compete with the Plano schools, we have been doing it for years.

Maybe it is crap or at least a rumor that Gaddis is internally screaming to get out of 8-5A.

As I said it was scuttle butt nothing more.

[farmerfan]

Maybe it is crap or at least a rumor that Gaddis is internally screaming to get out of 8-5A.

As I said it was scuttle butt nothing more.

I can promise you, he aint screaming to get out of 8-5A. He has no reason to.

[BandidoNB]

NB had 7 losses this year and you only mentioned 4 of the teams they lost to. You have to add Seguin to that list and the two other teams they lost to (not sure who they were). If they could not beat Seguin, what makes you think that they would have beaten SM or SC?

I do think that there is a good possiblility that NB will be back, and in the near future (maybe even next next year). And if you look at the numbers game (one of the largest 4a schools in the state) there is no reason they should not be a great 4a team each and every year, especially with their tradition. In an average year for NB (not last year) I beleive they would compete very well with most 5a teams and hold their own. But they would not stand a chance against the upper teams in the region.

I wasnt saying that New Braunfels would have made the playoffs in 25-5A this year, I was saying they could possibly make it next year.

As far as who they else they lost to... Austin Bowie (ew.. dont ask me what happened there), Austin Lake Travis and of course Seguin.