SLC fans did not show....

[sigfreidandroy]

After all the hoopla, angst, hurt feelings, whatever else, your fans did not show up. what gives? I estimate 5-6K. there were at least 1K seats empty on your side. Did you sell the 6K tickets sent to your school? did you request more? One word, LAME. oh yeah, no doubt, Mcelroy is the real deal, as is the rest of the team. Good luck in the finals. one other thing, why run him like you do, there is no room up the middle against a good defense....

[da hawaiian]

63-1 does that to you...lol

[dragonfootballfan]

After all the hoopla, angst, hurt feelings, whatever else, your fans did not show up. what gives? I estimate 5-6K. there were at least 1K seats empty on your side. Did you sell the 6K tickets sent to your school? did you request more? One word, LAME. oh yeah, no doubt, Mcelroy is the real deal, as is the rest of the team. Good luck in the finals. one other thing, why run him like you do, there is no room up the middle against a good defense....
Lufkin has such a good defense that they held Carroll to only 46 points. That is so amazing.

[dragons08]

hello captian obvious, welcome to the board..

we already disscused the fact that many slc people didnt make the drive, most gave their reasoning

i did happen to make it out there to the game, as did some other posters on here

also saying something about running mac, some games hes been succesfull at running

[sigfreidandroy]

You know as well as everyone else that your strengths are the passing game and a pretty good running game. I am just saying, why run him up the middle and risk injury when you dont have to. I expect his average was 2-3 yds per carry, and for what. he is too valuable....

[dragons08]

You know as well as everyone else that your strengths are the passing game and a pretty good running game. I am just saying, why run him up the middle and risk injury when you dont have to. I expect his average was 2-3 yds per carry, and for what. he is too valuable....
to try and catch lufkin off guard

[dragonfootballfan]

You know as well as everyone else that your strengths are the passing game and a pretty good running game. I am just saying, why run him up the middle and risk injury when you dont have to. I expect his average was 2-3 yds per carry, and for what. he is too valuable....
Well in all but three games Carroll has outrushed their opponent. Carroll's quarterback has not been injured, but Lufkin's quarterback has been injured twice. I guess though you know better than the team that just beat you by 26 points.

[sigfreidandroy]

your team reminds me of the Christian Evangel team out of Shreveport ,several years ago. you have a passing attack built on timing, a strong arm, an unbelievable receivers, not on your quaterbacks runs up the middle....

[dragonfootballfan]

your team reminds me of the Christian Evangel team out of Shreveport ,several years ago. you have a passing attack built on timing, a strong arm, an unbelievable receivers, not on your quaterbacks runs up the middle....
Look up the box score for Carroll vs. Colleyville Heritage.

[BAMF cowboy]

You know as well as everyone else that your strengths are the passing game and a pretty good running game. I am just saying, why run him up the middle and risk injury when you dont have to. I expect his average was 2-3 yds per carry, and for what. he is too valuable....

its called keeping the defense honest. there are plays that you would like to run every play but you cant, and those that you dont want to run but you have to anyways, just to give the defense a look and let them know you can, and might do that. by rushing mac up the middle, although he only gets 3 yds, it lets the defense know that we might do that, and if you dont keep a couple lbs there we'll keep doing it and get some big yards. by keeping the lbs there, we can throw it around a bit more in the secondary

[sigfreidandroy]

One play brotherman, one play. I am in no way taking anything away from your win. the best team won and that is the way it is supposed to happen. do you buy into all of your coaches calls. thats all i am saying....

[dragons08]

Look up the box score for Carroll vs. Colleyville Heritage.
i was thinking the same, we had more rushing yards than passing that game didnt we?

[BAMF cowboy]

we had 300+ rushing yards, mac had about 170, it was ridiculous

[dragons08]

One play brotherman, one play. I am in no way taking anything away from your win. the best team won and that is the way it is supposed to happen. do you buy into all of your coaches calls. thats all i am saying....
yes, i would never question dodge's playcalling, there is no way in the world i can do a better job

dragoncrew06, basically said it best

[dragonfootballfan]

One play brotherman, one play. I am in no way taking anything away from your win. the best team won and that is the way it is supposed to happen. do you buy into all of your coaches calls. thats all i am saying....
Yes. You do not mess with success. Carroll cannot continue to pass a lot when they are up big regardless of what the defense was doing.

[sigfreidandroy]

you gotta be kidding me....slc could have passed for 400 yards in the lufkin game....

[dragons08]

you gotta be kidding me....slc could have passed for 400 yards in the lufkin game....
please, just stop talking, obviously you have no idea whats your talking about..where dragoncrew06, he'll say a few words (hey its shut the..)

[dragonfootballfan]

you gotta be kidding me....slc could have passed for 400 yards in the lufkin game....
When Carroll is up by 20+ points in the fourth quarter they cannot continue to pass because it does not take enough time off the clock and is more prone to a big defensive play.

[BAMF cowboy]

please, just stop talking, obviously you have no idea whats your talking about..where dragoncrew06, he'll say a few words (hey its shut the..)

haha, too bad no one else knows what you're talking about

[my3sons]

I do not buy into all of Dodge's play calling i.e. on the 3 yard line against Plano he calls a frigging option on 3rd down. We are a great passing team, a good running team, but we're not an option team. I thought he was watching Plano and all their success from running the option and he said, what the hell? Option right. Please Todd, to quote a famous Texas coach, "you dance with who brung ya to the dance." Throw out option right.

By the way, 98% of his calls are pretty good though!

[BAMF cowboy]

When Carroll is up by 20+ points in the fourth quarter they cannot continue to pass because it does not take enough time off the clock and is more prone to a big defensive play.

this guy is making us all look like we could be head coaches

[dragonfootballfan]

I do not buy into all of Dodge's play calling i.e. on the 3 yard line against Plano he calls a frigging option on 3rd down. We are a great passing team, a good running team, but we're not an option team. I thought he was watching Plano and all their success from running the option and he said, what the hell? Option right. Please Todd, to quote a famous Texas coach, "you dance with who brung ya to the dance." Throw out option right.

By the way, 98% of his calls are pretty good though!
down on the Goalline Dodge calls option many times. McElroy usually does not pitch it. Most of his rushing touchdowns are on the option play.

[dragons08]

I do not buy into all of Dodge's play calling i.e. on the 3 yard line against Plano he calls a frigging option on 3rd down. We are a great passing team, a good running team, but we're not an option team. I thought he was watching Plano and all their success from running the option and he said, what the hell? Option right. Please Todd, to quote a famous Texas coach, "you dance with who brung ya to the dance." Throw out option right.

By the way, 98% of his calls are pretty good though!
is that the one where tre fumbled it?

so what it didnt work once, like dff said mac gets a lot of his rushing tds that way..

[my3sons]

down on the Goalline Dodge calls option many times. McElroy usually does not pitch it. Most of his rushing touchdowns are on the option play.

Sorry, I have to disagree. That is not an option, rather it's off tackle or off the base play. Not a true option as it was in Plano. Newton didn't keep his relationship with the QB and McElroy didn't read the end.

[dragons08]

this guy is making us all look like we could be head coaches
i know

and im surprised dragonfootballfan knows his stuff! maybe he does go to quite a few games

[dragonfootballfan]

Sorry, I have to disagree. That is not an option, rather it's off tackle or off the base play. Not a true option as it was in Plano. Newton didn't keep his relationship with the QB and McElroy didn't read the end.
So McElroy does not make a read and Newton does not have a pitch relationship, what made this an option play then?

[sigfreidandroy]

I guess we saw a different game. he did score on the option late in the third quarter. but before the, he took the snap in the gun and ran right up the gut. lets all talk the same language here. ps, your team is great, i already said that....

[dragons08]

I guess we saw a different game. he did score on the option late in the third quarter. but before the, he took the snap in the gun and ran right up the gut. lets all talk the same language here. ps, your team is great, i already said that....
im not really getting what your aruging at?

just stop talking and go play with lions

[dragonfootballfan]

I guess we saw a different game. he did score on the option late in the third quarter. but before the, he took the snap in the gun and ran right up the gut. lets all talk the same language here. ps, your team is great, i already said that....
That was probably a different play. They run a lot of different quarterback running plays. In fact, they have just as many plays for the quarterback running the ball as the runningback.

[sigfreidandroy]

with arguably the greatest passer in the state on the best team in the nation, why?

[dragons08]

with arguably the greatest passer in the state on the best team in the nation, why?
for balanace

[sigfreidandroy]

seems to me throw to the right, throw to the left. throw long, throw short, for balance but protect your quaterback. maybe we just need to agree to disagree....

[dragons08]

seems to me throw to the right, throw to the left. throw long, throw short, for balance but protect your quaterback. maybe we just need to agree to disagree....
easier said than done

[my3sons]

McElroy is not a gifted runner. Riley Dodge is. However, Mc throws the ball real and has size to take the hit. His goal is 6 yards a carry. He's not normally going to get 100 yards in a game rushing. He will throw for over 300 though and we want to average over 400 yards a game. His running just adds another dimension to the offense. Remember, this offense wasn't just built with Greg in mind. There were also a couple of Chases that ran the ball as well.

[dragonfootballfan]

with arguably the greatest passer in the state on the best team in the nation, why?
You have to run the ball to be successful. One of the reasons why they ran a lot with the quarterback is because they were having more success with him than the runningback. You have to force the run even when Lufkin was putting seven men in the box. Carroll only ran the ball 23 times. That is not a lot, but enough to keep the defense honest

[dragons08]

McElroy is not a gifted runner. Riley Dodge is. However, Mc throws the ball real and has size to take the hit. His goal is 6 yards a carry. He's not normally going to get 100 yards in a game rushing. He will throw for over 300 though and we want to average over 400 yards a game. His running just adds another dimension to the offense. Remember, this offense wasn't just built with Greg in mind. There were also a couple of Chases that ran the ball as well.
man, imagine if mac had some wheels, that just be scary, with his accuracy plus some speed...WOW

[sigfreidandroy]

What I saw Saturday in Nacodoches, was easy. you guys just did a little mor formal style of 7 on 7, and what looked like at times 7 on 5. i was standing in the track and field area just off the south end zone. one of your pass p[atterns was 3 receivers on the right side all run the same route, down and then to the post. It just so happens that the middle 2 drew the safety to te left, leaving the outside receiver open at the goal line, unbelievable play.....EASY, Maybe I fell your passing game is bettr than it really is,,,,.

[dragonfootballfan]

seems to me throw to the right, throw to the left. throw long, throw short, for balance but protect your quaterback. maybe we just need to agree to disagree....
Agree to disagree on what? You don't think that Carroll should run the football with the quarterback because it did not work for one game, even though it has worked multiple times this year. I guess all teams that have one loss should just stop playing football because obviously their game was not workin?

[sigfreidandroy]

Here's what I think: your passing game is worth 350 yards per game, your running back is good for 100 yards per game, your offense can put up 60 per. Allof the above without running your quaterback up the middle on short yardage situations....

[BAMF cowboy]

its called keeping the defense honest. there are plays that you would like to run every play but you cant, and those that you dont want to run but you have to anyways, just to give the defense a look and let them know you can, and might do that. by rushing mac up the middle, although he only gets 3 yds, it lets the defense know that we might do that, and if you dont keep a couple lbs there we'll keep doing it and get some big yards. by keeping the lbs there, we can throw it around a bit more in the secondary

that's right...i quoted myself, but clearly you need to read it again. you can't run every play expecting to break it for 20 yards +

[dragonfootballfan]

Here's what I think: your passing game is worth 350 yards per game, your running back is good for 100 yards per game, your offense can put up 60 per. Allof the above without running your quaterback up the middle on short yardage situations....
The quarterback running the ball is essential to this offense and in the last four years of running this offense with a quarterback running the ball, Carroll has had one quarterback miss half a game because of injury and lost only one game.

[sigfreidandroy]

your team lives with the big play. I dont believe that his passing stats and your success depend on him running up the middle. you can, and do, score from anywhere on the field with drives of 2 or 3 or 4 plays....

[sigfreidandroy]

BTW, Claybon runs a lot also, but we dont have the big play capabilities you do... maybe you will get a look at him next year....

[dragonfootballfan]

your team lives with the big play. I dont believe that his passing stats and your success depend on him running up the middle. you can, and do, score from anywhere on the field with drives of 2 or 3 or 4 plays....
So I guess 41 first downs against Coppell and running over 90 plays against Plano were flukes? Carroll can beat you in so many ways. Lufkin chose to blitz, so you saw the quick strike ability in the Carroll offense.

[Drag Goon]

seems to me throw to the right, throw to the left. throw long, throw short, for balance but protect your quaterback. maybe we just need to agree to disagree....

Roy, I don't know why you are getting so much flack. You have complimented SLC on their play and have asked a valid question.

IMO, McElroy is a great passer but he is also capable of running the ball. He is not the first option but is needed to keep the defense honest. The QB draw is often successful and the counter (or whatever it is when Trey will go one way and McElroy will fake the handoff and go the other)works well. I was surprised he did not run more against Plano since Tre had so many carries.

I also think he must have a flak jacket or other extra padding to keep him protected. He is pretty big and often applies the hit. There are several D1 QBs in our district and they all seem to be good runners as well.

Regarding the SLC fans not showing up....I thought Lufkin had a great showing of their fans. They normally have to travel so they really took advantage of the "home" field. It was a great atmosphere on Lufkin's side. I too was a little disappointed with SLC's turnout. Lots of valid reasons why more did not show (least of which is "expecting" to win). My 10 y/o dd and I made the trip. We may have "wasted" a day but I made memories with my dd so I will take that any day. :)

[my3sons]

BTW, Claybon runs a lot also, but we dont have the big play capabilities you do... maybe you will get a look at him next year....

Nope. I hope the UIL puts Lufkin in Region III. Don't want to see Lufkin in the semi's again. Too tough. Let's strengthen Region III and let some others play for the Region II championship. Lufkin has owned Region II for too long. (Just joking guys....I don't want to play Lufkin anymore...they are too tough.) I realize that SLC is 3-0 against LP, but they have been nail biters!

[sigfreidandroy]

Wher can I find the box scores, stats of this years games? Also, I would like to be all-galaxy or all-universe or even all-texas or something like that. How do I get there?

[dragonfootballfan]

Wher can I find the box scores, stats of this years games? Also, I would like to be all-galaxy or all-universe or even all-texas or something like that. How do I get there?
You can find box scores for metroplex teams at the dallas morning news website. You get to be all-something by your post count.

[sigfreidandroy]

Lufkin wont go to region III, as it is now. the closest school is beaumont, but they play schools much further south. rumor has it that nacodaches is close to 5A and it will be us , them ,john tyler, tyler lee, and longview, everyone from the old days but marshall.

[Redneckn]

I would think that more than anything else, the reason why any passing team would run the QB from time to time is because he may end up at college. Where he is going to have to run now and then. I would think of it more as preparation.

As for the Evangel thing you mentioned earlier in the thread. ECA was able to gun the ball down the field constantly because that was how the O was set up to be played. They had a gunslinger at QB and a flock of WR's that were great at their positions. Also, my own opinion is that a few of ECA's QB's were scared of getting hit. If it was evident to me and everyone else in the stands, it was evident to the coaches as well. Berlin, Deas, and Rawls were the only ones that really weren't afraid of getting hit. I think Rawls was to start with, but by his senior year, I think he knew what time it was and his passing only QB days were numbered.
I watched ECA in the 1A final Saturday and their current QB runs a lot. Too much really. But he also is not a very consistant passer. Last year, ECA's QB ran a fair amount as well. But he was originally a WR. He was used to having the ball and running.

And while I talking about ECA, they did manage to win the coveted 1A title over in La. by 42-7.
The Louisiana state champions this year (for those that may care) are:
1A: Evangel Christian (12-3). Private School
2A: John Curtis (10-1). Private School
3A: Redemptorist (13-1). Private School
4A: Bastrop (14-0). Public School
5A: West Monroe (13-1). Public School.

[wide-e-wide]

Lufkin wont go to region III, as it is now. the closest school is beaumont, but they play schools much further south. rumor has it that nacodaches is close to 5A and it will be us , them ,john tyler, tyler lee, and longview, everyone from the old days but marshall.


rut-roh Raggy....it's on again.

[my3sons]

Louisiana HS football is totally different from Texas. I won't say that Texas is better (it is). However, many of you will recall the arguements that occurred when SLC had to play Lufkin in Nac and Highland Park had to play Marshall in Tyler. Louisiana plays their football championships in a central sight (all levels). Texas does the same thing in basketball and baseball, but not football. I wonder if we rotated between Dallas, Houston and San Antonio how everyone would feel about it? Could be tough on some (El Paso, Beaumont, Amarillo, Laredo, McAllen). Thoughts???

[SLCDad]

you gotta be kidding me....slc could have passed for 400 yards in the lufkin game....You really have no clue.

Unless McElroy is a threat to run, the passing game would never open up. SLC can pass effectively due to the QB, the receivers AND the two RB threat which prevents the defense from keying on the pass.

FYI, McElroy has rushed for 691 yards this year averaging about 5 yards per carry.

[Favpack]

Well in all but three games Carroll has outrushed their opponent. Carroll's quarterback has not been injured, but Lufkin's quarterback has been injured twice. I guess though you know better than the team that just beat you by 26 points.

DFF -
a) You weren't at the game
b) You can't add - the final score was 46-28
c) SLC was by and large shut out in the rushing game until the 4th qtr. when Tre made a few nifty runs against a D that was emotionally gone
d) Lufkin outrushed SLC almost 3 to 1 - I've already posted that - no need to rehash it.

SLC won the game -- you took what we gave you - the deep ball - again placing Dodge in the genius category - the man cannot be beat in scheming - - and you are correct - Jeremy was out with a broken arm and Ralph badly twisted an ankle in the 2nd qtr. - he played 2.5 half qtrs on guts alone - a true warrior.

[drgnbkr]

DFF -
a) You weren't at the game
b) You can't add - the final score was 46-28
c) SLC was by and large shut out in the rushing game until the 4th qtr. when Tre made a few nifty runs against a D that was emotionally gone
d) Lufkin outrushed SLC almost 3 to 1 - I've already posted that - no need to rehash it.

SLC won the game -- you took what we gave you - the deep ball - again placing Dodge in the genius category - the man cannot be beat in scheming - - and you are correct - Jeremy was out with a broken arm and Ralph badly twisted an ankle in the 2nd qtr. - he played 2.5 half qtrs on guts alone - a true warrior.

I agree with your points Fav..it was just a typical Carroll / Lufkin game. Lufkin had some tough injuries as we discussed prior to the game. When you lose your QB its tough to stay at the same level, but your right, Ralph was a warrior. Our not having Renfro is a little more palatable, with 7 other receivers still ready to go. Our not having our regular kicker is hurting us every week..but all props to the pack..it was a gutty effort from a fine program!

[dragonfly]

Option is a great play out of the spread and is a great play against blitzes. Carroll has run that play for the last 4 years and have done great with it.

[Favpack]

I agree with your points Fav..it was just a typical Carroll / Lufkin game. Lufkin had some tough injuries as we discussed prior to the game. When you lose your QB its tough to stay at the same level, but your right, Ralph was a warrior. Our not having Renfro is a little more palatable, with 7 other receivers still ready to go. Our not having our regular kicker is hurting us every week..but all props to the pack..it was a gutty effort from a fine program!

I was impressed with your backup kicker - a gutty kid who made some good punts in the second half - but, yeah, missing those extra points is not what you want when you guys know a point against Katy is pretty valuable. As if he needs help - but I wonder if Dodge might consider going for 2 next time if the miss happens again. I admire his effort though he's probably just not ready for the big stage.

[Redneckn]

Louisiana HS football is totally different from Texas. I won't say that Texas is better (it is). However, many of you will recall the arguements that occurred when SLC had to play Lufkin in Nac and Highland Park had to play Marshall in Tyler. Louisiana plays their football championships in a central sight (all levels). Texas does the same thing in basketball and baseball, but not football. I wonder if we rotated between Dallas, Houston and San Antonio how everyone would feel about it? Could be tough on some (El Paso, Beaumont, Amarillo, Laredo, McAllen). Thoughts???


Louisiana does NOT play their finals at a central site. For the last 20someodd years, the championships have been played in the superdome. (all classes)
This year they were all played in Shreveport at Independance stadium. I thought having the game outdoors helped the atmosphere and overall made it more fun to attend.
During the playoffs, there is no coin flip and circus. The game sites for playoffs are determined by what seeding the teams is and if they traveled the week before. If they both traveled the week before, the higher seed gets the game at home. I think once in a while, the team that is the "home" team can pick another site if they have a valid reason for it. Like they expect too many fans to show up. Plus, some schools in Louisiana dont have their own field.
In fact, I don't think any of the 5A's in Shreveport have a field. They schoold board owns one. So you could attend a 5A game at a 4A teams field. If that team is out of town that nite. Most are played at Indy though.
Football over there, along with the whole education system, is screwed up.

The way they seed the teams is pretty stupid. But I guess it's just as fair as anything else.