Mojo movin to Westlake?

[Chap Chap]

Coach Allman to the Hills of Westlake? Rumor has it he has become the frontrunner for this job.

[Exwildcat79]

Coach Allman to the Hills of Westlake? Rumor has it he has become the frontrunner for this job.

I will believe this when I see it. The ECISD School Board last week extended Coach Allman for another 2 years.

[BlackAttack]

Coach Allman to the Hills of Westlake? Rumor has it he has become the frontrunner for this job.

Close. It's a former Permian coach Randy Mayes.

[Red Storm]

Close. It's a former Permian coach Randy Mayes.

I'll believe that when I see it. He was just named AD for Lewisville ISD this past summer.

[Chap Chap]

Close. It's a former Permian coach Randy Mayes.

didn't he just take over as AD in Lewisville school district? That's a cush job. He'd have to really be missing coaching to want to come to Westlake as AD and head coach.

[BlackAttack]

didn't he just take over as AD in Lewisville school district? That's a cush job. He'd have to really be missing coaching to want to come to Westlake as AD and head coach.


Why do you say that? Is Westlake not a good job?

[SLC]

Why do you say that? Is Westlake not a good job?



I believe he meant as coach and AD...He was saying that he already has an AD postition and for him to want to add coaching and AD, that he really has to miss coaching. there is no doubt that the coaching position at Westlake is a VERY VERY good job.

[Chap Chap]

Why do you say that? Is Westlake not a good job?

Not saying that. Saying that he is surely making 6 figures already and does not have the pressure of winning football games in a pressure-filled position. Once someone get's an AD job in a 5A district like that, they'd be nuts to leave it.

[BlackAttack]

Not saying that. Saying that he is surely making 6 figures already and does not have the pressure of winning football games in a pressure-filled position. Once someone get's an AD job in a 5A district like that, they'd be nuts to leave it.


I guess Randy just likes a challenge then.

[BlackAttack]

I believe he meant as coach and AD...He was saying that he already has an AD postition and for him to want to add coaching and AD, that he really has to miss coaching. there is no doubt that the coaching position at Westlake is a VERY VERY good job.

Yes I knew that.

What does Westlake have coming up? I wonder why the last coach stepped down?

[Chap Chap]

He retired; no pressure to "step down"

[BlackAttack]

He retired; no pressure to "step down"

I didn't realize he was that old. Mayes will be a great fit in Westlake if he gets the job.

[SLC]

Yes I knew that.

What does Westlake have coming up? I wonder why the last coach stepped down?



Those are questions for Westlake fans...I was just trying to clarify the post left by Chaps. Though there is a thread about coach Long that may have some info in it.

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=45764

[Chap Chap]

I didn't realize he was that old. Mayes will be a great fit in Westlake if he gets the job.

Allman is the name floating around. Westlake Superintendent is a Permian grad and former Panther Britt Hager has three more boys coming up in the Chap program.

[BlackAttack]

Allman is the name floating around. Westlake Superintendent is a Permian grad and former Panther Britt Hager has three more boys coming up in the Chap program.

You're talking about the woman who was superintendent there? Is she still there?

[Chap Chap]

You're talking about the woman who was superintendent there? Is she still there?

Yep.

[footballdad38]

My money is on Jeff Dicus.

[slcdragonfan]

My money is on Jeff Dicus.

Do you really think he would leave D'ville after 1 year?

[BlackAttack]

Yep.

Its all wishful thinking then. :eek:

[chap fan]

Do you really think he would leave D'ville after 1 year?

I have some mutual friends with the Dicus family, and they were told that Jeff was not interested in leaving Duncanville at this time. Of course, friends may not be the first to know if he changes his mind.

[SLC]

I have some mutual friends with the Dicus family, and they were told that Jeff was not interested in leaving Duncanville at this time. Of course, friends may not be the first to know if he changes his mind.

It would certainly make sense for Jeff if he decided to go back to Austin.

[Live4turf]

I hear they have started the interview process. Anyone know who made that list? How many?

[mojotrain]

He might. This subject was thrown out at SLC several years back and consesus from the green fans was no way no how. You can never say never.

At the very best It would be nothing more that a lateral move for Allman. I'm not shelling Westlake but today he has promise of a successful high school football coaching career at Permian. He's at the top or near the top of high school football in Odessa.

A head coach from a Permian State Championship team has never left Permian for another high school. Mayfield to WTS, Bartosh to UTEP, Wilkins to AD, Gaines to TTU, Hollingshead to A&M(maybe)?

Then again, I never say never. :(

[mojotrain]

Yes I knew that.

What does Westlake have coming up? I wonder why the last coach stepped down?

If Allman were to come to Westlake he would make something come up.

They should have looked at the OC that just left Permian. He is one point coaching lad.

[odessapermian.com]

I'm 99.9% certain this is completely false, although it wouldn't surprise me to find out Allman had been contacted to see if he was interested in applying.

Also, a good explanation for this rumor might be the fact that Brandon Faircloth, former Permian OC, was in the market for a HC job and he used to coach at Westlake.

Then again, to be blunt, if one goes back and reads some recent threads on this board involving Chap fans, it might not be too hard to figure out what the real story behind this "rumor" is. :rolleyes:

[chap fan]

I'm wondering what your theory is.

A community committee has been formed to consider this hire (highly unusual here--a sign the Supt. won't be making this call by herself and has been counseled--probably by the plethora of football parents/fans on the school board--to involve interested parties in this decision). Our Superintendent does not like anyone interfering in her business, but I think this committee makes the theory of hiring a Permian coach because of her roots far less likely.

Also, Long is supposed to be advising her on the final hire. From everything I know about him from a distance, I would anticipate he would support an inside candidate because this is a staff that has been static and loyal to each other for a long time. Our system is taught from 7th grade on, at both middle schools.

I do think that the committee will seriously consider successful outside coaches. However, I think that the apparent leading "inside" candidate, Coach Ramsey, having also been a WHS asst. principal, and having stepped in when our boys' soccer coach had to be fired right before their season started a few years ago and led that team to a district championship, has earned some respect and friends among administration that will give him an advantage most assistant head coaches wouldn't have.

However--I'm just a fan, and I haven't run into my friends who might have the "inside story" in a while (no football going on now!), so I'm just guessing like everyone else.

[aftermath]

Although I think the general concensus in and around Westlake is that Ramsey would be the best fit, the name floating around is in fact Allman. It will be interesting to see if Westlake can pull off the hire. Lots of power and influence in those hills west of Austin. If the supt. makes a bad hire and the 20+ year playoff team falters, it will certainly be the end of her tenure. Football is that important there.

[odessapermian.com]

With the fact that Allman was in contract negotiations with a new (to him) ECISD school board last week, he would have been a fool not to inquire about other openings around the state. I know I would.

Is there some link to a list of applicants we can view?

[aftermath]

they are very tight-lipped about the hire, to protect the applicants current status and positions. the reason that Allman has emerged is because of his connections to Westlake super. . Westlake is the top job in the state and probably in the top 5 in the country. It is very attractive but will be a very demanding and difficult one. Winning is everything and the parents are very successful and demand the same out of a coach.There won't be a honeymmon period of understanding, they were just in the Quartefinals,ad will expect at least that next year.

[JWITTEA]

Although I think the general concensus in and around Westlake is that Ramsey would be the best fit, the name floating around is in fact Allman. It will be interesting to see if Westlake can pull off the hire. Lots of power and influence in those hills west of Austin. If the supt. makes a bad hire and the 20+ year playoff team falters, it will certainly be the end of her tenure. Football is that important there.

I never post but, I just thought I would reminder aftermath that he/she is talking to and about Odessa Permian. "Football is that important there." This line is an understatement for Mojo, to Odessa, football is not important it is everything it is a living breathing entity with a heart and soul. Every year Permian fans expect a State Championship and will be satisfied with nothing less, every year that Mojo falls short is always a surprise.

[Exwildcat79]

they are very tight-lipped about the hire, to protect the applicants current status and positions. the reason that Allman has emerged is because of his connections to Westlake super. . Westlake is the top job in the state and probably in the top 5 in the country. It is very attractive but will be a very demanding and difficult one. Winning is everything and the parents are very successful and demand the same out of a coach.There won't be a honeymmon period of understanding, they were just in the Quartefinals,ad will expect at least that next year.

Gosh, I never thought of it that way. You are right. Why would Allman stay at such a bad situation as Permian when the bell of the ball is open at Westlake? Permian doesn't have near the prestige or history as Westlake. Being Allman's alma mater and home town shouldn't hold any weight in comparing the two. Besides, Permian has been improving the last few years, why not leave just as you are about to see your work come to fruition. Mojo fans are not very demanding. It is not like we are use to a winning tradition (except for the dark days following the Mayes era!):rolleyes:

[BlackAttack]

Allman has no shot at this job until Randy Quizenberry turns it down.


QUOTE- Westlake is the top job in the state and probably in the top 5 in the country

A poster on The Old Coach seems to think the Westlake job ain't what she used to be, and says it would be a step down in pay from most bigtime 5A programs- http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=421&tid=120758443&mid=120758443&sid=984&style=2

[aftermath]

Don't get me wrong, I think Permian Job is one of the best too. I just feel like what Austin has to offer as far as quality of life, recreation, etc. will be hard to turn down. I think continuity is everything and that Westlake should stay in house, but it doesn't look like it will be that way, and right now Allman is the name that is floating around. Don't be fooled by other posters, Westlake will spend whatever they need to get the guy they want.People are losing sleep over this,as crazy as that may sound.

[farmerfan]

they are very tight-lipped about the hire, to protect the applicants current status and positions. the reason that Allman has emerged is because of his connections to Westlake super. . Westlake is the top job in the state and probably in the top 5 in the country. It is very attractive but will be a very demanding and difficult one. Winning is everything and the parents are very successful and demand the same out of a coach.There won't be a honeymmon period of understanding, they were just in the Quartefinals,ad will expect at least that next year.

Thanks for the laugh of the day.
Top job in the state.
Hahahaha.
Too funny man.
:notworthy
I can think of 5 right off the top of my head that are better than Westlake.
Carroll
Allen
Highland Park
Permian
Ennis

[farmerfan]

Don't get me wrong, I think Permian Job is one of the best too. I just feel like what Austin has to offer as far as quality of life, recreation, etc. will be hard to turn down. I think continuity is everything and that Westlake should stay in house, but it doesn't look like it will be that way, and right now Allman is the name that is floating around. Don't be fooled by other posters, Westlake will spend whatever they need to get the guy they want.People are losing sleep over this,as crazy as that may sound.

If quality of life was that important then why would Allman leave HP as DC to take his family back to Odessa?
You would have thought he would have just stuck around the HP area until a job in either Dallas or Austin had opened up.
Keep dreaming.

[aftermath]

farmerfan,
The problem with all of those jobs that you mentioned,is that you have to live in Dallas metroplex, or Odessa. Of course he would take the HC job at Permian, who wouldn't? He would have been crazy to stay in a coordinator spot at a 4A school,and turn down Permian. The 5 jobs you mentioned are great jobs and Great programs. I still say that Austin is a tough place to turn down, the interview list is rumored to be a "who's who" of high school football coaches, we'll know soon the outcme, as they started the interviews this weekend. They could still promote from within, which would probably be in current teams best interest, but Westlake is a wealthy, successful, demanding neighborhood( very similar to HP, Alamo Heights, Southlake,Smithson Valley,). They have former coaches at Katy, permian, etc.. Within 2 weeks.

[farmerfan]

farmerfan,
The problem with all of those jobs that you mentioned,is that you have to live in Dallas metroplex, or Odessa. Of course he would take the HC job at Permian, who wouldn't? He would have been crazy to stay in a coordinator spot at a 4A school,and turn down Permian. The 5 jobs you mentioned are great jobs and Great programs. I still say that Austin is a tough place to turn down, the interview list is rumored to be a "who's who" of high school football coaches, we'll know soon the outcme, as they started the interviews this weekend. They could still promote from within, which would probably be in current teams best interest, but Westlake is a wealthy, successful, demanding neighborhood( very similar to HP, Alamo Heights, Southlake,Smithson Valley,). They have former coaches at Katy, permian, etc.. Within 2 weeks.

You act as if living in Austin is some sort of paradise. You earlier cited the recrecation as a part of Austin, well you get that in Dallas and depending on the type of recreation one enjoys you get it in Odessa too.
Factor in the horrible traffic and cost of living in Austin then is it really more desirable than a Dallas or Odessa?
Rumors are only as good as the print they are printed on. We suppoesdly see this so called "who's who" list every year when a program opens up.
Westlake isn't the only succesful community out there. THe people of Odessa are succesful in their own right too. The problem too many people factor in with success is the size of ones bank account. There are plenty of wealthy people out in the Odessa area as well as succesful people in other areas of their life.
You don't leave Permian as HC to go to Westlake as a HC.

[BlackAttack]

Here's something to chew on...http://www.oaoa.com/news/trustees_26611___article.html/state_voted.html

I'm wondering, if a nice home for a family of 5 costs $250,000 in Odessa what would the same home cost in Westlake/Austin? Just throwing this out there, but if Allman is making around $92,000 per year plus a car allowance at Permian, what would Westlake have to pony up to be a comparable salary, considering the cost of living? $130,000? $140,000? My opinion, if any of this rumor is true, the only way I could see Allman making this sideways move would be if he was unhappy in Odessa. And he just renewed for two years, so.......

[farmerfan]

Here's something to chew on...http://www.oaoa.com/news/trustees_26611___article.html/state_voted.html

I'm wondering, if a nice home for a family of 5 costs $250,000 in Odessa what would the same home cost in Westlake/Austin? Just throwing this out there, but if Allman is making around $92,000 per year plus a car allowance at Permian, what would Westlake have to pony up to be a comparable salary, considering the cost of living? $130,000? $140,000? My opinion, if any of this rumor is true, the only way I could see Allman making this sideways move would be if he was unhappy in Odessa. And he just renewed for two years, so.......

Good point. What people have to consider is that even though one area of the state may offer high rise buildings, rolling hills and a big metro area, it dosen't mean it will be attractive to everybody. Allman may be the type that enjoys flat land, tumble weeds, rattle snakes and just good ole West Texas. As odd as this may sound to some, I for one think Odessa is a very nice place with the offerings of a big city while keeping a small town feel. Great people out there too. I would not mind one bit ever living in Odessa.

[PermianFan]

Good point. What people have to consider is that even though one area of the state may offer high rise buildings, rolling hills and a big metro area, it dosen't mean it will be attractive to everybody. Allman may be the type that enjoys flat land, tumble weeds, rattle snakes and just good ole West Texas. As odd as this may sound to some, I for one think Odessa is a very nice place with the offerings of a big city while keeping a small town feel. Great people out there too. I would not mind one bit ever living in Odessa.

Odessa is Allman's hometown. He is a Permian graduate. I doubt that he has a problem with either the landscape or the cultural of West Texas. Not everyone is drooling over the prospect getting out of West Texas and living in Austin.

I have lived a lot of places in my life (Tennessee, Arkansas, Dallas, others) and Odessa is where I personally choose to live. It's home and I love it here. You couldn't pay me enough to live in Austin. I don't even particularly like to visit the place. Lots of liberals and terrible traffic. I go there when I need to, but it's always a relief to get back home.

[farmerfan]

Odessa is Allman's hometown. He is a Permian graduate. I doubt that he has a problem with either the landscape or the cultural of West Texas. Not everyone is drooling over the prospect getting out of West Texas and living in Austin.

I have lived a lot of places in my life (Tennessee, Arkansas, Dallas, others) and Odessa is where I personally choose to live. It's home and I love it here. You couldn't pay me enough to live in Austin. I don't even particularly like to visit the place. Lots of liberals and terrible traffic. I go there when I need to, but it's always a relief to get back home.

Odessa is a unique and good place. I have visited multiple times and have family out there. West Texas is definitely my favorite part of Texas. It may not be the prettiest but it is my favorite and it has more to do wit hthe people than anything else. I met many West Texans while at UNT and had a blast with all of them. They are as real as you will find and offered a nice change from the people from the Metroplex who we knew at school.

[aftermath]

If Coach Allman feels the same as you guys do, I'm sure he will stay.It will be a 120ish offer to get him interested.Odessa is a great place with great people,as is the metroplex.There is a reason why Austin's real estate is so high. Also, Austin's traffic does not compare to that of Dallas,except along I-35. Any coach who comes to Westlake will never be near 35. I hope you guys are right, as I said before, I think its in Westlake's best interest to hire from within.That being said, if the superint. decides to go outside the circle,(she came to us from Permian), Allman will be a great hire.

[mojoguy]

Westlake is definitely an elite job in Texas. Permian is also a pretty elite job. In all honesty, this move would essentially be a lateral move for Allman in a lot of ways. However, for more money, it is hard to turn down an opportunity to work at a school with the proven talent an commitment to win at a high level when the path to state is obviously littered with fewer obstacles for continued future success. Allman would obviously have to really consider his options if this talk is legit. I only hope that he allows the school district and booster club an opportunity to change his mind if he does think that he is wanting to go. I think someone mentioned a ballpark figure of about $120k coming from Westlake. Would that raise be enough to offset the much higher cost of living in Austin? I'm only curious.


All those things being said, Permian coaches rarely make moves that are not to the college level when they are successful. Only when they are reassigned do they make moves to other high schools.

[Maxthedog]

Ah Odessa,,,,Sam Houston elementary school, shooting pigeons off the back of the Ector Country drive in, catching rattlesnakes for fun, getting in line to ride calfs and sheep at the Ector County Coliseum before the rodeo started on Saturday night. Duck hunting on the Pecos down by Crane, dust storms.
Kissin girls behind the stands at Barrett stadium during Mojo games,,,,
Girls that don't wear makeup and are still good looking. Going coyote spotlighting, sitting on the hood with a girl that get's pissed if she does not get her turn with HER rifle and she showed up early to go with her own beer cooler, stocked!



I miss it so!!!!!
Dallas is a different place.
Austin, is a different planet.

[slcdragonfan]

Austin was wonderful.....in 1971. Sleepy Hollow, Paleface Park, Hamilton's Pool. It is still beautiful in the Hills, but the traffic is as bad as it ever was in Houston or Dallas, or even (almost) New York!

While still a nice place to live, when you factor in the cost of living perhaps the advantage is being overblown.

Westlake as a coaching job? Great position, but FF has it right in pointing out that there are other great positions, and cost of living can be a big factor.

[KattTx]

...Going coyote spotlighting, sitting on the hood with a girl that get's pissed if she does not get her turn with HER rifle and she showed up early to go with her own beer cooler, stocked!

I miss it so!!!!!
Dallas is a different place.
Austin, is a different planet.

Wonderfully accurate description! :notworthy

While I would LOVE to have Allman for decades, we won't be able to keep him contained that long. That being said, I really feel like he will be with us until he wins a state championship for Permian. He could be a dynastic coach for Permian alongside Gaines and Wilkins (he may stay and do just that) - but if not - I think he will want to at least make his mark before leaving. And nothing shy of the big one is considered a "mark".

As far as living in one place or another Odessa v Austin, it would disappoint me if that were the deciding factor in Allman staying or leaving.

[okt0ber]

Ah Odessa,,,,Sam Houston elementary school, shooting pigeons off the back of the Ector Country drive in, catching rattlesnakes for fun, getting in line to ride calfs and sheep at the Ector County Coliseum before the rodeo started on Saturday night. Duck hunting on the Pecos down by Crane, dust storms.
Kissin girls behind the stands at Barrett stadium during Mojo games,,,,
Girls that don't wear makeup and are still good looking. Going coyote spotlighting, sitting on the hood with a girl that get's pissed if she does not get her turn with HER rifle and she showed up early to go with her own beer cooler, stocked!



I miss it so!!!!!
Dallas is a different place.
Austin, is a different planet.

No thanks. That's stuff you do because you have nothing else to do.

[svhorns]

Comparing Austin and Odessa is laughable.

[KattTx]

No thanks. That's stuff you do because you have nothing else to do.

Actually, it's what we do instead of other stuff. ;)

[KattTx]

Comparing Austin and Odessa is laughable.

Why?

[BlackAttack]

Comparing Austin and Odessa is laughable.

So is comparing chocalate and strawberry ice cream.

[svhorns]

Why?

lol.

[mojo4life]

Why?

Katt.. some people just don't get it...kinda like explaining to people what Mojo is about....

[svhorns]

Katt.. some people just don't get it...kinda like explaining to people what Mojo is about....

No... I get it.

Comparing the two cities is laughable.

[mojo4life]

lol.

slow down there cowboy.. where talking about a way of life ;not the tourist attractions in a town..

[KattTx]

Hehe... yep. It just shakes some peoples foundations to even consider there are actually people (more than a few) out there who would rather live somewhere like Odessa, Midland, San Angelo, McCamey, Andrews, etc.. over a large metroplex like Austin. :eek::D

[KattTx]

No... I get it.

Comparing the two cities is laughable.

Oh... you're still on. So... again - why?

[farmerfan]

No... I get it.

Comparing the two cities is laughable.

Some just prefer Austin. When young I can see why and how Austin wold be appealing.
Some people love the weirdness of Austin and that is fine. Some love the simplicity of Odessa.

[svhorns]

slow down there cowboy.. where talking about a way of life ;not the tourist attractions in a town..

I understand that. Odessa and Austin are complete polar opposites. We thrive off technology and Odessa thrives off oil.

let me do a quick cut and paste job.

Austin was selected as the No. 2 Best Big City in "Best Places to Live" by Money magazine in 2006, and the "Greenest City in America" by MSN.[12][13] Also, according to CNN Headline News and Travel & Leisure magazine, Austin ranks No. 2 on the list of cities with the best people, referring to the personalities and attributes of the citizens.[14] Austin was also voted America's #1 College Town by the Travel Channel.[15] Austin was ranked the fifth-safest city in part because there are fewer than 3 murders per 100,000 people annually.[16][17]

Residents of Austin are known as "Austinites" and include a diverse mix of university professors, students, politicians, musicians, state employees, high-tech workers, blue-collar workers, and white-collar workers. The main campus of the University of Texas is located in Austin. The city is home to enough large sites of major technology corporations to have earned it the nickname "Silicon Hills." Austin's official slogan promotes the city as "The Live Music Capital of the World," a reference to its status as home to many musicians and music venues.[1][2] In recent years, many Austinites have also adopted the unofficial slogan "Keep Austin Weird"; this refers partly to the eclectic and progressive lifestyle of many Austin residents but is also the slogan for a campaign to preserve smaller local businesses and resist excessive commercialization.

[svhorns]

Some just prefer Austin. When young I can see why and how Austin wold be appealing.
Some people love the weirdness of Austin and that is fine. Some love the simplicity of Odessa.

Being young has nothing to do with it. It's a matter of how your brain works imo. I love music, sports, racial diversity, and technology... economically Austin blows Odessa to high heaven.

[mojo4life]

Austins great We own lot's of land in the hill country, but I tell you what Odessa has plenty that money can't buy ;it's hard to explain unless youv'e lived it..

[svhorns]

Odessa is Allman's hometown. He is a Permian graduate. I doubt that he has a problem with either the landscape or the cultural of West Texas. Not everyone is drooling over the prospect getting out of West Texas and living in Austin.

I have lived a lot of places in my life (Tennessee, Arkansas, Dallas, others) and Odessa is where I personally choose to live. It's home and I love it here. You couldn't pay me enough to live in Austin. I don't even particularly like to visit the place. Lots of liberals and terrible traffic. I go there when I need to, but it's always a relief to get back home.

Jesus Christ this thread is a gold mine.

The Traffic is no worse than what you would find in Houston or Dallas... and the liberal statement is quite ignorant. There is a fine mix between Conservatives and liberals.

[BlackAttack]

economically Austin blows Odessa to high heaven.

Seriously? You might want to check some recent sources. The friends I have in the tech business are getting hammered big time right now. But it doesn't matter. If we were to listen to you, we would believe everyone likes sushi, everyone's favorite color is red, everyone prefers Ford F150 pickups, etc. etc. That's simply stupid.

[farmerfan]

Being young has nothing to do with it. It's a matter of how your brain works imo. I love music, sports, racial diversity, and technology... economically Austin blows Odessa to high heaven.

Being young has a lot to do with it.
The younger generation is drawn to Austin due to its location and landscape as well as its entertainment value.
Factor in the University and it is a major draw to those who are used to the Urban lifestyle.
As people get older they want out of the ratrace and pretentiousness offered up by places such as Austin and Dallas. Odessa offers many great industries and opportunities as well.
Depending on the way the markets are going as far as the technology and oil industires, it will vary how well each city is doing economically. Midland/Odessa can more than hold its own given the size of the two cities.

[BlackAttack]

Jesus Christ this thread is a gold mine.

The Traffic is no worse than what you would find in Houston or Dallas... and the liberal statement is quite ignorant. There is a fine mix between Conservatives and liberals.

Umm, now you're comparing Austin to Dallas and Houston. Gold mone indeed.

Seriously, while the fact that you are eaten up with Austin pride is admirable in some small way, it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

[farmerfan]

Jesus Christ this thread is a gold mine.

The Traffic is no worse than what you would find in Houston or Dallas... and the liberal statement is quite ignorant. There is a fine mix between Conservatives and liberals.

The traffic part of this thread was due infact to if Allman were infact considering going to Westlake. One made it sound like Dallas traffic is far worse than Austin traffic and the guy made the comment he would be outside of Austin if in Westlake. If true, the same could be said about Dallas jobs such as Carroll, Allen or other places outside of the main part of Dallas.

[Maxthedog]

No thanks. That's stuff you do because you have nothing else to do.

Depends on what you want to do Okt:) In some respects Odessa has way more to do than Austin and a lot less people to get in your way. On being a coach faced with the option of Permian or Westlake, is it really about Odessa or Austin? He can't go wrong, bottom line. I could live in either place and have a great time. I would however need ALOT more money to do this in Austin.

[svhorns]

Being young has a lot to do with it.
The younger generation is drawn to Austin due to its location and landscape as well as its entertainment value.
Factor in the University and it is a major draw to those who are used to the Urban lifestyle.
As people get older they want out of the ratrace and pretentiousness offered up by places such as Austin and Dallas. Odessa offers many great industries and opportunities as well.
Depending on the way the markets are going as far as the technology and oil industires, it will vary how well each city is doing economically. Midland/Odessa can more than hold its own given the size of the two cities.

Old people don't like a Music? Old people don't like running by the lake? Old people don't like boating.. fishing... etc??? People confuse Austin as an attraction for young people because of the University of Texas and 6th street. If you want to work in a factory move to Odessa if you want to become an entrepreneur and start up a business move to Austin.

[MOJO Mystique]

Allman is the name floating around. Westlake Superintendent is a Permian grad and former Panther Britt Hager has three more boys coming up in the Chap program.

I know Britt well. I'll have to give him a shout and see what he has to say. So far, all clues from the Odessa end are dead.

[BlackAttack]

Old people don't like a Music? Old people don't like running by the lake? Old people don't like boating.. fishing... etc??? People confuse Austin as an attraction for young people because of the University of Texas and 6th street. If you want to work in a factory move to Odessa if you want to become an entrepreneur and start up a business move to Austin.

We're talking about a coaching job, not starting a business. Please quit dumping on this otherwise awesome thread.

[svhorns]

We're talking about a coaching job, not starting a business. Please quit dumping on this otherwise awesome thread.

I'm sorry... I was only responding to the outlandish and somewhat ignorant comments left out by some of your fellow mojos.

[farmerfan]

Old people don't like a Music? Old people don't like running by the lake? Old people don't like boating.. fishing... etc??? People confuse Austin as an attraction for young people because of the University of Texas and 6th street. If you want to work in a factory move to Odessa if you want to become an entrepreneur and start up a business move to Austin.

You also act as if Austn is the only place those events happen in.
I would be willing to wager the older one gets the less and less likely you will find them out running on Town lake or taking in those fancy concerts.
Plus you act as if Austin is the only place that offers up thsoe ammenities. Simply not true. I am also pretty sure there have been quite a few entreprenures make their way out of the Midland/Odessa area. They will probably be able to offer up great advice to those who think they can start up a booming Telecom or techonology based industry there in the hill country too.

[farmerfan]

I'm sorry... I was only responding to the outlandish and somewhat ignorant comments left out by some of your fellow mojos.

Which were what?
That there are actually good places to live in Texas outside of Austin?

[BlackAttack]

I'm sorry... I was only responding to the outlandish and somewhat ignorant comments left out by some of your fellow mojos.


Which ones? All I see is some people pointing out the fact that there are city mouses, and then there are country mouses. If you catch my meaning.

[svhorns]

You also act as if Austn is the only place those events happen in.
I would be willing to wager the older one gets the less and less likely you will find them out running on Town lake or taking in those fancy concerts.
Plus you act as if Austin is the only place that offers up thsoe ammenities. Simply not true. I am also pretty sure there have been quite a few entreprenures make their way out of the Midland/Odessa area. They will probably be able to offer up great advice to those who think they can start up a booming Telecom or techonology based industry there in the hill country too.

I was comparing Austin and Odessa only. I'm not saying one city is better than another city these are merely comparisons between these two cities. I personally would rather live in a place with less people, more trees and hills, and a couple acres.

[mojo4life]

Old people don't like a Music? Old people don't like running by the lake? Old people don't like boating.. fishing... etc??? People confuse Austin as an attraction for young people because of the University of Texas and 6th street. If you want to work in a factory move to Odessa if you want to become an entrepreneur and start up a business move to Austin.

come on ...Youve really lost me on this one.. I'm 37 and in full time retirement mode...being an entrepreneur enabled me to retire early.those Dreams and drive were planted in me in a small trailor on a sandy road in Odessa on a team CALLED MOJO WERE I WAS TOUGHT ANYTHING WAS POSSIBLE...

[Maxthedog]

My bet is, the new Westlake coach will see 6th street once, realize its a bunch of drunk college kids and not go back. He will however have to worry about his players getting busted down there. Not many kids get busted for drinking in Odessa, the cops can't find them out in the desert:)

This message was brought to you by an old guy that spent so much money down there on 6th street listening to music, drinking beer that I ended up in Dallas with a real job and a ZX250 Skeeter bass boat that I would EVEN think of putting on Lake Austin(and getting run over by C Benson).

[svhorns]

como on ...Youve really lost me on this one.. I'm 37 and in full time retirement mode...being an entrepreneur enabled me to retire early.those Dreams and drive were planted in me in a small trailor on a sandy road in Odessa on a team CALLED MOJO WERE I WAS TOUGHT ANYTHING WAS POSSIBLE...

I'm not saying it's impossible but lets speak the truth here. Not too many people in Odessa have the ability to do what you have done. It would be much easier in Austin to do what you have done than Odessa.

[svhorns]

Alright guys I'm done with my ranting here... I wish Smithson Valley would have gotten the opportunity to play Mojo 2 or 3 years ago but the realignment made us cancel the game. Good Luck Mojo!

[farmerfan]

I'm not saying it's impossible but lets speak the truth here. Not too many people in Odessa have the ability to do what you have done. It would be much easier in Austin to do what you have done than Odessa.

Maybe maybe not. Competiton will be much tougher in Austin than Odessa and it will be more cut throat. More people mean more business means more competion in Austin. Odessa offers the luxury of possibly being the only game in town and not always having to engage in a price war.
Being in the business I am in out here in Dallas I see this every day. There are businesses coming and going everyday and competition has a lot to do with that.
What it will all come down too is your vision and setting yourself apart by what you offer. Its just as easy for somebody from Odessa to do that as it is in Austin.

[rocketgrl94]

Alright guys I'm done with my ranting here... I wish Smithson Valley would have gotten the opportunity to play Mojo 2 or 3 years ago but the realignment made us cancel the game. Good Luck Mojo!

i would have went to that one if it was here...that would of been an awesome game i think

[mojo4life]

I'm not saying it's impossible but lets speak the truth here. Not too many people in Odessa have the ability to do what you have done. It would be much easier in Austin to do what you have done than Odessa.

I don't think so ,I don't know if I would have been the same person without the values I learned there...Heck being there between 77-91 I felt I could do anything because we were taught and were expected to do so...However I will say(sadly) not all my childhood friends kept the dream burning bright (when the lights were down)
but the formula for success is definitely in that town............

[aftermath]

Alcohol is never an issue for the Westlake FB program ,neither are grades(50 of 60 players were academic all-dist.;90 avg.). The team is held to a very high standard,knowing that there are 3-4 guys in line to take your place if you screw up. As for liberal?? Westlake?? Most of these boys hunt,fish and drive 4WD vechicles, and almost all attend church on sunday. They all workout like bandits in the off-season, most with personal coaches.Family is everything in Westlake,and town shuts down at 9 PM. Most kids seldom leave the neighborhood,and are probably not much different than the kids from Odessa, SLC, SV, etc.,It is a place just like these where football is king. The majority of the players I know,(a bunch of them) have never set foot on 6th st. on a Sat. Night.

[picperp]

My bet is, the new Westlake coach will see 6th street once, realize its a bunch of drunk college kids and not go back. He will however have to worry about his players getting busted down there. Not many kids get busted for drinking in Odessa, the cops can't find them out in the desert:)

This message was brought to you by an old guy that spent so much money down there on 6th street listening to music, drinking beer that I ended up in Dallas with a real job and a ZX250 Skeeter bass boat that I would EVEN think of putting on Lake Austin(and getting run over by C Benson).

Hey, I think a few folks in Odessa got run over by Ced Benson, too.:)

[BlackAttack]

Hey, I think a few folks in Odessa got run over by Ced Benson, too.:)

Never go full ******.

[odessapermian.com]

Wow, this thread has gone way past goofy.

With that said, yes Allman was contacted and is talking to them. Who wouldn't? Success breeds opportunities. It won't be the last time, for Allman and others for that matter. Don't be surprised to hear other big names as well.

[svhorns]

Wow, this thread has gone way past goofy.

With that said, yes Allman was contacted and is talking to them. Who wouldn't? Success breeds opportunities. It won't be the last time, for Allman and others for that matter. Don't be surprised to hear other big names as well.

Most Texans use the slang term "austin" when referring to something goofy or weird. For example.

"Man did you see that Cow dancing" "that's austin."

[KattTx]

With that said, yes Allman was contacted and is talking to them. Who wouldn't? Success breeds opportunities. It won't be the last time, for Allman and others for that matter. Don't be surprised to hear other big names as well.

Good point OP. He might just need a publicist to field those types of calls, huh? I will selflessly volunteer my services. I will intercept all of those types of calls and pass along to Coach any deemed worthy. ;)

Seriously though, he's successful and will be much sought after. Just hope we can keep him happy here for a while.

[BlackAttack]

Most Texans use the slang term "austin" when referring to something goofy or weird. For example.

"Man did you see that Cow dancing" "that's austin."

You mean like "svhorns= that's austin"? :p

[PermianFan]

Jesus Christ this thread is a gold mine.

The Traffic is no worse than what you would find in Houston or Dallas... and the liberal statement is quite ignorant. There is a fine mix between Conservatives and liberals.

I didn't say the traffic is worse than Dallas or Houston. I said it is terrible, and it is. I didn't say there are no conservatives in Austin. I said there are lots of liberals, and there are. Both are true statements. Both are reasons why I would not care to live in Austin. You are welcome to live wherever you are comfortable.

[mojoman21]

i would think darren has unfinished business at permian.

[roadrunner22]

Being young has nothing to do with it. It's a matter of how your brain works imo. I love music, sports, racial diversity, and technology... economically Austin blows Odessa to high heaven. I aggree;Austin blows... been there and done that.

[odessapermian.com]

In addition to Allman, they have interviewed coaches from Kerrville Tivy, Pearland, and Friendswood, as well as current assistant HC/DC Steve Ramsey, and current staff member Sul Ross (yep, that's his name). I believe Ramsey is running the program now since Derek Long retired, and from what I have gathered from this and other message boards and such he is considered the favorite for the job.

And oh by the way, discovered this on the Old Coach. Holy moly- http://www.keepeanesinformed.com/

[RRSP1]

... also, Kirk Bohls of the Statesman mentions the Allman connections in tody's editorial... [link (http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/other/02/24/0224bohls.html)]

[aftermath]

Allman is probably the "Favorite" for the job, depending on wheter or not he chooses to make the move. He was the target, otherwise it will probably be Ramsey with an OC change I would guess.

[BlackAttack]

David McNabb from the DMN and the Old Coach reports that a big name from the metroplex is still definitely in the mix- http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=421&tid=121172845&mid=121172845&sid=984&style=2

[BlackAttack]

In addition to Allman, they have interviewed coaches from Kerrville Tivy, Pearland, and Friendswood, as well as current assistant HC/DC Steve Ramsey, and current staff member Sul Ross (yep, that's his name). I believe Ramsey is running the program now since Derek Long retired, and from what I have gathered from this and other message boards and such he is considered the favorite for the job.

And oh by the way, discovered this on the Old Coach. Holy moly- http://www.keepeanesinformed.com/


I wonder if Allman has seen that site. Scary stuff.

[Central Texas Fan]

I wouldn't put too much stock in that website. It is run by a couple of extremely disgruntled moms who have made it a personal vendetta over the last number of years to raise hell with all Eanes administrators, school board members, principals, and anyone else they can drag into their battles, including the athletic booster club. Not sure the genesis of their anger, but they are considered nothing but a nuisance in the Westlake community, and are pretty much ignored except when required by law. The State of Texas has even passed laws to limit requests such as theirs due to the unbelievable amount of paperwork and expenses that were being generated due to these two ladies.

Now on to the issue at hand.

Westlake needs to decide if they want to continue on their current course by hiring within, or to go outside the current staff. (I know that sounds simple, but it isn't.)

My son played for Westlake several years ago, and really liked and respected the staff. The downside from hiring within is that Ramsey has no head coaching experience or AD experience that I'm aware of. Taking over the Westlake job is a huge jump for the former OL coach, then asst. principal, then the assistant head coach.

Hiring from the outside could bring on an entirely different set of issues, including potentially losing many of the long-time loyal coaches who have bypassed opportunities elsewhere to stay at Westlake over the years.

All in all, though, Westlake is still an outstanding job in one of the most beautiful parts of the state. It is still a one high school town with outstanding academics and kids.

I'm glad I'm not having to make the hiring decision, or to decide whether to leave an excellent job for the unknown...

[ATXChap07]

Alcohol is never an issue for the Westlake FB program ,neither are grades(50 of 60 players were academic all-dist.;90 avg.). The team is held to a very high standard,knowing that there are 3-4 guys in line to take your place if you screw up. As for liberal?? Westlake?? Most of these boys hunt,fish and drive 4WD vechicles, and almost all attend church on sunday. They all workout like bandits in the off-season, most with personal coaches.Family is everything in Westlake,and town shuts down at 9 PM. Most kids seldom leave the neighborhood,and are probably not much different than the kids from Odessa, SLC, SV, etc.,It is a place just like these where football is king. The majority of the players I know,(a bunch of them) have never set foot on 6th st. on a Sat. Night.

Umm, about that......

[odessapermian.com]

The issue of head coach is on the schedule for discussion at tomorrow night's board meeting in Westlake. I had a link to a PDF file but the link goes dead after a few minutes (may be a login issue). Anyway, they are set to hear a recommendation in closed session, then discuss it in open session later in the evening. The original job posting had said they were taking applications through the 27th of February, so this meeting is kind of sudden. My gut feeling is that this means they're staying in house with Ramsey. On the other hand, McNabb over on TOC is hinting around that the offer to the big name outside candidates was out of this world. Unfortunately you have to have a subscription to see the entire article. I guess we'll see.

[mojoman21]

i subscribed and he thinks it's darren.:D

[badger95]

what's the reasoning?

[mojoman21]

probably money.

[aftermath]

It will be interesting to see if Permian will counter with enough to keep him. It would sure be good for the rest of us here in the district,if he stayed put.Maybe we can take up an offering.History with their program is that they usually go get what they want.It will be interesting

[mojoguy]

I can totally understand why Coach would head down to Austin in a totally lateral move for the money they are rumored to be offering.

This, to me, really highlights one of the major weaknesses of ECISD which is that it puts a great effort into making sure that neither side excels past the other. Unfortunately, that leads to situations like this where other school districts totally outshine ours in a lot of ways. The ideal situation would be that our school district could make a counter-offer based on merit to try to keep him around, but under the current rules that would require a major pay increase for TWO coaches. I wish they would just bite the bullet and pay the man whatever Westlake is offering (adjusted for cost of living) to make sure he sticks around. This situation makes me very nervous.

Like I said though, I can understand the interest from his point of view. It is really hard to turn down big money like that. It's not a question of loyalty either. In my opinion, he has been more than fair and loyal to Permian and it's fanbase. Whatever he chooses, he should have our support to a certain level. However, I would not mind seeing an emergency pitchforks and torches meeting outside the administration building this evening/tomorrow morning to make this right.

[odessapermian.com]

The ideal situation would be that our school district could make a counter-offer based on merit to try to keep him around, but under the current rules that would require a major pay increase for TWO coaches. I wish they would just bite the bullet and pay the man whatever Westlake is offering (adjusted for cost of living) to make sure he sticks around.

The other side of the raise issue is that they know if they let Allman leave, they will have to bump up the pay to whoever the next guy is anyway, with the requisite increase in King's pay as well. So they might as well pay the guy who's been here getting the job done.

[mojoguy]

Very good point. They're going to show someone the money either way. It would be much better to make the investment with someone you know can be successful. The Permian job is such a tricky one to pull off successfully, I just think we have to do everything in our power to be sure we keep a good thing while we have one. Not all great coaches can be great at Permian, and not all Permian coaches can be great in other situations. There is a bit of magic to it.

I would also like to point out that I think Coach King is a good one at OHS too. I meant absolutely no disrespect in suggesting that I wish we could make raises based on merit. In my opinion, he is probably due for an increase as well. I just don't know that it should be addressed in the same action as Permian's head coach.

[mojoman21]

what kind of money are they offering him?

[BlackAttack]

what kind of money are they offering him?

I was wondering myself. You bought the subscription, what did the article say?

[aftermath]

It' a bit confusing when referred to as ECISD, since both Permian and Westlake are ECISD (Eanes and Ector) ,but i agree with you guys when you say that the next guy ,if it comes to that will cost just as much as the raise. The going rate is set every time there is a big hire, and if you lose Allman to Westlake, then overnight the #1 job(available) in the state would go frm Westlake to Permian,its kind of ironic.I like the pitchforks and torches idea, maybe a free home and car would do the trick. It sure is starting to look like college.

[KattTx]

I was wondering myself. You bought the subscription, what did the article say?

130K was a figure he tossed out.

[KattTx]

Which (if internet COL figures are correct at 27%) is about 10K over the cost of living difference.

[mojoman21]

nothing really, just said it was darren they were trying to get. basically a waste of money.

[mojoman21]

how much is he makeing now?

[odessapermian.com]

how much is he makeing now?

IIRC Allman and King make around $92K plus the vehicle allowance which is 4 or 5K per year.

Long was making a total of $98K according to what I could find on the Eanes ISD website.

[realorange]

I just sent an email to ecisd and told them to pay the man. He put Permian back on the map, he put fans back in the stadium. I doubt it will do any good but does not hurt to try. Sounds like Westlake is offerring a lot.

[odessapermian.com]

I just sent an email to ecisd and told them to pay the man. He put Permian back on the map, he put fans back in the stadium. I doubt it will do any good but does not hurt to try. Sounds like Westlake is offerring a lot.

I talked to Eric today at O Deli's. He is all over this, no worries.

[Live4turf]

Allman and Ramsey are supposed to get a call this afternoon. Watch this board a little later and my money says we will all know before we hit the sack tonight. My source said as of 3:00 that no calls had been made, but that was just one of how many "sources" that know it all are out there! :rolleyes: :laugh

[RRSP1]

This afternoon, the Statesman even put Gary Joseph's name in the pool. :eek:

[link (http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/varsitynews/entries/2009/02/24/westlake_news_h.html)]

[BlackAttack]

130K was a figure he tossed out.

I noticed the lead in teaser to his article now speaks of multiple candidates. Hmmmmm.

[Chap Chap]

Negotiations in progress apparently.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/varsitynews/entries/2009/02/24/allman_still_ne.html

[Live4turf]

No word yet eh? I am quite surprised. I would have thought it would have leaked out by now. I know that calls were made this afternoon. Someone is good at keeping it out of the open. I must commend them for that!:notworthy:notworthy

[odessapermian.com]

Negotiations in progress apparently.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/varsitynews/entries/2009/02/24/allman_still_ne.html

Joel Erickson at the Odessa American is saying that Allman told him the Austin paper misquoted him. I'm sure there still are things being discussed and it may very well result in him taking the job, but I could never imagine Darren saying it the way it was reported. They made it sound like he was saying, "yeah baby, they're gonna make me an offer, it's just a matter of time". That's not his style.

[odessapermian.com]

Regardless of who the next coach at Westlake is, I'm curious as to what the Chaps have coming back from the 2008 squad. I saw that the sub varsities all seemed to have good seasons.

[Chap Chap]

Joel Erickson at the Odessa American is saying that Allman told him the Austin paper misquoted him. I'm sure there still are things being discussed and it may very well result in him taking the job, but I could never imagine Darren saying it the way it was reported. They made it sound like he was saying, "yeah baby, they're gonna make me an offer, it's just a matter of time". That's not his style.

There's a big reason not to take the Chap job. The Statesman's coverage of high school sports is atrocious at best. They obviously don't care if they get it right, and most of the time they'd rather print something negative vs. something postitive. And they will take every chance they get to take pot shots at Westlake.

[ATXChap07]

And they will take every chance they get to take pot shots at Westlake.

yep, everytime westlake losses, Page 1 of the sports page

[Chap Chap]

Latest out of Odessa

http://varsity.oaoa.com/articles/allman_3470___article.html/decision_school.html

[odessapermian.com]

I also noticed the Statesman blog changed the wording of the article to say that "somebody" will be offered, not Allman specifically.

[NoHate]

with only a few hours left and still no for sure answer or at least what I have read. What is your gut feeling? I say and hope no. Allman stays and leads this team to at least a Chmpionship. :)

[KattTx]

Mine gut - he stays and finishes what he set out to do....

with a little better pay than before. ;)

[mojoman21]

my gut says he hits the road.

[mojoman21]

i think if he were staying we would already know.

[Dawg Fan]

my gut says he hits the road.

this

[aftermath]

Committee will make rec. to school board tonight(closed session) followed by public meeting w/discussion. we will know in a few hours.

[KattTx]

i think if he were staying we would already know.

Okay... that's just common sense talking there. :p

My gut is more of an optimist.

[mojo4life]

either way we'll be fine he turned the ship back the right direction;but the Mojo momentem is bigger than any one man/player as long as the (new coach if need be) coach get's out of the way. The boy's will be really focused this year either way...Hope he stays but if not , Oh well..we still have some fish to fry.........

[KattTx]

A poster on TOC says it's a done deal and Allman is the man. FWIW

[KattTx]

Never mind - he edited his post. :confused:

[odessapermian.com]

i think if he were staying we would already know.

Conventional wisdom says that. On the other hand, he did say in the paper that even when they make an offer, if it is him he will have a lot of things to consider.

[NoHate]

The longer we wait the more I worry about losing a great coach. I think he says no and they got a quick yes from their number 2 choice. Always hopeful!

[CCParent]

yep, everytime westlake losses, Page 1 of the sports pageAnd you grip about that? Most HS's in the area would love that situation, front page coverage of losses. Imagine that.:confused:

[picperp]

Looks like its a done deal. Found this on the local paper's site out by my work.

http://www.westlakepicayune.com/2009/02/25/football-allman-to-take-job-sources-say/

[odessapermian.com]

nm

[coriv]

From the Odessa American.

http://www.oaoa.com/news/allman_27035___article.html/leaving_official.html

[NoHate]

It was nice while it lasted. I wish Coach Allman the best of luck at Westlake (nice program). I hope Permian and ECISD seeks out the cream of the crop to build on what Allman started.

[coriv]

Some coach is going to inherit one hell of a football team.

[Exwildcat79]

Some coach is going to inherit one hell of a football team.

Coriv, this is the most intelligent post I have seen concerning this topic in two days!

[Exwildcat79]

Coach Allman told the players this afternoon he is leaving.

[odessapermian.com]

Emotional speech to 200 players this afternoon. Like he said, MOJO does not walk out the door when he leaves. I agree whoever steps in will have a good group to work with. And should be able to bring plenty of coaches with them.

[mojoman21]

hope that door didn't catch him in the butt.:eek:

[KattTx]

And should be able to bring plenty of coaches with them.

Oh.. more good news. :(

If Westlake gets the core group of assistants - there's magic there. :notworthy

[mojoguy]

Who was involved with locating and hiring Coach Allman? We need to get the same people in action immediately right now.

I just hope the players have bought into to program 130% to be able to adapt to a new coach coming in. I was a player during one of the coaching changes, and our team essentially fell apart in a lot of ways because of the immediate changes that came along with the new staff. The thing to remember is that work ethic doesn't change, effort doesn't change, and the desire to go 6 deep every year doesn't change. I feel for the boys more than anyone right now. I hope it lights a fire up under them.

[KattTx]

Who was involved with locating and hiring Coach Allman? We need to get the same people in action immediately right now.
.

I believe it was good ole Coach Gaines who brought Allman back home. Now that he's AD for Lubbock, I don't see him being involved.

[svhorns]

Coach Hill from SV might be looking around.

[odessapermian.com]

Who was involved with locating and hiring Coach Allman? We need to get the same people in action immediately right now.

I just hope the players have bought into to program 130% to be able to adapt to a new coach coming in. I was a player during one of the coaching changes, and our team essentially fell apart in a lot of ways because of the immediate changes that came along with the new staff. The thing to remember is that work ethic doesn't change, effort doesn't change, and the desire to go 6 deep every year doesn't change. I feel for the boys more than anyone right now. I hope it lights a fire up under them.

As Katt said it was Gaines, and Wilkins. Gaines may be on the other end of it now- I expect Danny Servance's name to come up.

[KattTx]

As Katt said it was Gaines, and Wilkins. Gaines may be on the other end of it now- I expect Danny Servance's name to come up.

Amoyaw and I were just talking about him a few minutes ago.

[mojo4life]

oh well, thanks for the help,,,,,(Coach Allman) It's a shame he missed out on a championship in the 80's as a player,and now he bareley misses out as a coach ..I hope he has finishing power at westlake I really do...LETS SHOW HIM HOW ITS DONE NEXT YEAR MOJO BOYS.........

[Empire strikes back]

Well that chaps my @$$!!!! :mad: Man I wished Allman would of stayed!!! I wish him the best of luck and how Austin Westlake is a very lucky team to get a good coach and especially a good man. Now, we have to start looking again. :(

[Dawg Fan]

I guess the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. I figured him being an alum and all would have kept him at Permian. Be interesting to see if the team continues to progress or gives up and goes back to mediocrity.

[mojoman21]

the problem with this deal is the main man is now the coach for portneches groves.

[svhorns]

Well thats chaps my @$$!!!! :mad: Man I wished Allman would of stayed!!! I wish him the best of luck and how Austin Westlake is a very lucky team to get a good coach and especially a good man. Now, we have to start looking again. :(

lol.

I know you probably didn't do it on purpose but that's great.

[Dawg Fan]

lol.

I know you probably didn't do it on purpose but that's great.

damnit, I missed the irony:o

That is funny:notworthy

[Exwildcat79]

Good luck to Coach Allman. Westlake is getting one of the best coaches money can buy!:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

Well I guess I was wrong in saying you don't leave Permian for Westlake.
Best of luck to both programs. Westlake got themselves a hell of a coach.
Allman has shown you can still win in Odessa and I hope to see Permian land a good one too. I feel for the boys in the Permian program as this must be hard for them. I know they will keep working hard and with the right leadership they will continue to make strides. Best of luck to both programs next year.

[roadrunner22]

Well that chaps my @$$!!!! :mad: Man I wished Allman would of stayed!!! I wish him the best of luck and how Austin Westlake is a very lucky team to get a good coach and especially a good man. Now, we have to start looking again. :( It wasn't ALL just coaching. I will be the first to admit that we have had great coaches with Coach A and his group, but look what he had to work with; some very talented young men. we will be MORE than OK.

[roadrunner22]

I guess the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. I figured him being an alum and all would have kept him at Permian. Be interesting to see if the team continues to progress or gives up and goes back to mediocrity. Give these young men a few days to get over the sting and then a couple more days to let the smoke clear re: who stays / who goes. And maybe some more smoke to clear that was blown up their a$$ the last few days, this group of fine young men will be fine. They won't give up, no how no way. These are Odessa kids. They have grown up not giving up. The next coach that inherits this group will thank his lucky stars that Coach A is making a bad move. Come about Dec. 2009, the new coach will send Coach A a thank you note, and invite him to a State Championship Parade in Odessa.

[roadrunner22]

the problem with this deal is the main man is now the coach for portneches groves. I thought the same thing. I wish Coach Faircloth would have stayed another month and just taken over. He is the most missed of all. Coach Rhodes is great and we are glad he is here, but for how long?

[mojo4life]

Give these young men a few days to get over the sting and then a couple more days to let the smoke clear re: who stays / who goes. And maybe some more smoke to clear that was blown up their a$$ the last few days, this group of fine young men will be fine. They won't give up, no how no way. These are Odessa kids. They have grown up not giving up. The next coach that inherits this group will thank his lucky stars that Coach A is making a bad move. Come about Dec. 2009, the new coach will send Coach A a thank you note, and invite him to a State Championship Parade in Odessa.

we'll be fine; give us some x and o's coach(???) Mojo spirit is back and ready to roll..............

[Dawg Fan]

Give these young men a few days to get over the sting and then a couple more days to let the smoke clear re: who stays / who goes. And maybe some more smoke to clear that was blown up their a$$ the last few days, this group of fine young men will be fine. They won't give up, no how no way. These are Odessa kids. They have grown up not giving up. The next coach that inherits this group will thank his lucky stars that Coach A is making a bad move. Come about Dec. 2009, the new coach will send Coach A a thank you note, and invite him to a State Championship Parade in Odessa.

it is good to have a positive attitude but State Championship next year.........I'll take some of that action

[roadrunner22]

it is good to have a positive attitude but State Championship next year.........I'll take some of that action
Pony up big boy!

[Empire strikes back]

Pony up big boy!

:laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh

[odessapermian.com]

Tonight's board meeting in Westlake was a formaility. I had hoped to hear a salary figure but the reporter for the Westlake paper said they did not disclose it at the meeting.

[MOJO 08]

I really do wish Coach Allman the best of luck but I can't take the high road like all the other Permian fans on here........I'm pissed!!! He brought the long lost Mojo spirit back to Odessa and then he is gonna leave us high and dry?? I understand this is a great opportunity for him and his family but he gave us his word that he was here to bring us state. Does that mean nothing now? 38-11 is a great record but we still haven't had a State Championship since 1992 and now were right back were we started........looking for another coach. I thought this was it.....our chance to bring it home. Time to face it we haven't recovered since Tam Hollingshead and it looks like we never will.............................................. ..........I need a drink

[Dawg Fan]

Pony up big boy!


A little dose of reality needed here. Head coach and most of the staff leaving right before spring practice. Permian is a good team but not a great team yet and this coach leaving could have a devastating effect on the kids. I understand the need to keep a stiff upper lip and positive emotional mindset but there is way too many things that have to go right to win State in Texas and there are not many of those things working for Permian right now.

[farmerfan]

So will Permian hire from within?
Any chances on bringing back Hollingshead and luring him away from Jone's staff at SMU?
I wonder if Coach Dodge would consider taking a look at Permian giving all the troubles he is facing at UNT. Maybe going back to the HS game might be something that would interest him. Long shot I know.
I really do feel for the Permian kids and community right now. I hope you guys can get a good one to come in.

[jdlewallen]

I really do wish Coach Allman the best of luck but I can't take the high road like all the other Permian fans on here........I'm pissed!!! He brought the long lost Mojo spirit back to Odessa and then he is gonna leave us high and dry?? I understand this is a great opportunity for him and his family but he gave us his word that he was here to bring us state. Does that mean nothing now? 38-11 is a great record but we still haven't had a State Championship since 1992 and now were right back were we started........looking for another coach. I thought this was it.....our chance to bring it home. Time to face it we haven't recovered since Tam Hollingshead and it looks like we never will.............................................. ..........I need a drink

I agree totally. I never saw this coming, and figured that an alum would be more loyal. But from what I have heard, a huge part of it was dissatisfaction as a dad with the junior highs here. You can read a bit of that between the lines in his comments about Eanes.

As an educator and a parent I totally understand taking a job with Eanes. It is a great system. But as a Panther and lifelong Odessan, it really pizzes me off....:(

[jdlewallen]

So will Permian hire from within?
Any chances on bringing back Hollingshead and luring him away from Jone's staff at SMU?
I wonder if Coach Dodge would consider taking a look at Permian giving all the troubles he is facing at UNT. Maybe going back to the HS game might be something that would interest him. Long shot I know.
I really do feel for the Permian kids and community right now. I hope you guys can get a good one to come in.

Probably not, as I fear Allman will be taking any potential HCs with him, unless they could be convinced to stay. I don't think anyone really wants TH back, though.

It's funny - I kinda thought the same thing about TD, though. Personally, though, I would like them to take a hard look at Danny Servance. He's a Mojo alum, great coach, wonderful with the kids and currently the HC at Lubbock Estacado...

[odessapermian.com]

Probably not, as I fear Allman will be taking any potential HCs with him, unless they could be convinced to stay. I don't think anyone really wants TH back, though.

It's funny - I kinda thought the same thing about TD, though. Personally, though, I would like them to take a hard look at Danny Servance. He's a Mojo alum, great coach, wonderful with the kids and currently the HC at Lubbock Estacado...

I'm betting an educated hunch that Servance is already the frontrunner. Although Dale Carr may be another possibility.

[Live4turf]

So will Permian hire from within?

I really do feel for the Permian kids and community right now. I hope you guys can get a good one to come in.

Yes I cut out the middle of your post Farmerfan, I mean no disrespect. I want to address the first and last point.

Hiring from within.... and kids and community.

I think both schools need to think long and hard about both. I know Allman will do the hiring for Westlake and he will bring some of his own. BUT, there are some solid coaches at WHS that he needs to consider. Keeping some of the coaches that are already there could be very beneficial to him and the team. The kids know and respect all of them and it could ease the transition.

Same goes with Permian coach. Before you look too far away, look in house to keep some continuity to the program. Blasting both group of kids with 100% new personnel could have devastating consequences. But 'eh, what do I know.:confused:

[farmerfan]

Yes I cut out the middle of your post Farmerfan, I mean no disrespect. I want to address the first and last point.

Hiring from within.... and kids and community.

I think both schools need to think long and hard about both. I know Allman will do the hiring for Westlake and he will bring some of his own. BUT, there are some solid coaches at WHS that he needs to consider. Keeping some of the coaches that are already there could be very beneficial to him and the team. The kids know and respect all of them and it could ease the transition.

Same goes with Permian coach. Before you look too far away, look in house to keep some continuity to the program. Blasting both group of kids with 100% new personnel could have devastating consequences. But 'eh, what do I know.:confused:

You make some great points. Just speaking from a fan of Lewisville High School, I know when we hired Olin out of Lee, it upset a lot in the community as well as the kids in the program. Olin has brought his own staff with him from Lee and with that means some long time assistants who were great coaches and even better men will be looking elsewhere. It hasnt stopped the kids from working hard in the off-season but it has left some of the kids wondering why their voices were not heard.
How sweet would it be to have Permian and Westlake meet in he D1 finals in the next year or two. I would love to see that.

[KattTx]

That's not really Allman's style. If the scuttle is true, he's bringing at least four with him. If I were a gambling gal, I would say those assistants were a sizeable part of the negotiations between Allman and the Westlake folks. ;) He knows where his strength comes from and it's largely due to the solid coaches under him.

As for hiring from within at Permian - well, again if the scuttle is true... there's not gonna be too much left to choose from. Maybe three or four assistants left after the dust settles?

Not looking real promising on that front.

[odessapermian.com]

If I were a gambling gal, I would say those assistants were a sizeable part of the negotiations between Allman and the Westlake folks.

Absolutely.

[odessapermian.com]

No sooner do you post, the paper comes out with another article- http://varsity.oaoa.com/articles/allman_3482___article.html/coaches_permian.html

[KattTx]

No sooner do you post, the paper comes out with another article- http://varsity.oaoa.com/articles/allman_3482___article.html/coaches_permian.html

Stalkers. :D

[PermianFan4Life]

That's not really Allman's style. If the scuttle is true, he's bringing at least four with him. If I were a gambling gal, I would say those assistants were a sizeable part of the negotiations between Allman and the Westlake folks. ;) He knows where his strength comes from and it's largely due to the solid coaches under him.

As for hiring from within at Permian - well, again if the scuttle is true... there's not gonna be too much left to choose from. Maybe three or four assistants left after the dust settles?

Not looking real promising on that front.

Well sadly HS sports have become a big business and with that most who are good demand top pay as they should but I dont see where it's a good move, I mean the difference in cost of living between Odessa and West Lake are big and I just flat dont see this as being about money. Allman had to have been very upset about something to just pull up roots and make a move this big especially after extending his contract with the ECISD, I think as the days go by we will learn there was much more to this than what we are being told.

[jdlewallen]

Well sadly HS sports have become a big business and with that most who are good demand top pay as they should but I dont see where it's a good move, I mean the difference in cost of living between Odessa and West Lake are big and I just flat dont see this as being about money. Allman had to have been very upset about something to just pull up roots and make a move this big especially after extending his contract with the ECISD, I think as the days go by we will learn there was much more to this than what we are being told.

From what I have heard it has more to do with his own kids and academics - and a dissatisfaction with the Odessa junior highs...

[odessapermian.com]

Well sadly HS sports have become a big business and with that most who are good demand top pay as they should but I dont see where it's a good move, I mean the difference in cost of living between Odessa and West Lake are big and I just flat dont see this as being about money. Allman had to have been very upset about something to just pull up roots and make a move this big especially after extending his contract with the ECISD, I think as the days go by we will learn there was much more to this than what we are being told.


Maybe, but I think it's more of a "strike while the iron is hot" kind of deal for him.

[KattTx]

and make a move this big especially after extending his contract with the ECISD, ....

About that... maybe we ought to close up whatever loophole there is in the contracts with our head coaches? :D

[KattTx]

From what I have heard it has more to do with his own kids and academics - and a dissatisfaction with the Odessa junior highs...

Um... his oldest is a 3rd grader now right?

[PermianFan4Life]

From what I have heard it has more to do with his own kids and academics - and a dissatisfaction with the Odessa junior highs...

Well my daughter is in the 8th grade at Bonham and I know there are problems that need adressed, I do understand to a point but not fully.

[PermianFan4Life]

About that... maybe we ought to close up whatever loophole there is in the contracts with our head coaches? :D

I am thinking a lynch mob would be appropriate right now;)

[KattTx]

I am thinking a lynch mob would be appropriate right now;)

LOL!! Something to do since we can't sleep! :D

[Live4turf]

You make some great points. Just speaking from a fan of Lewisville High School, I know when we hired Olin out of Lee, it upset a lot in the community as well as the kids in the program. Olin has brought his own staff with him from Lee and with that means some long time assistants who were great coaches and even better men will be looking elsewhere. It hasnt stopped the kids from working hard in the off-season but it has left some of the kids wondering why their voices were not heard.
How sweet would it be to have Permian and Westlake meet in he D1 finals in the next year or two. I would love to see that.

Thank you. But why are we here? THE KIDS! Their voice should be heard! Sometimes all the politics cloud that! I understand the importance of that, but the kids are the #1 priority.

[KattTx]

Thank you. But why are we here? THE KIDS! Their voice should be heard! Sometimes all the politics cloud that! I understand the importance of that, but the kids are the #1 priority.

Because the real world intrudes on that perfect world where kids have a say in these decisions that affect them to this degree (the Permian kids sure weren't asked what they wanted).

It won't be up to the players on who stays or who goes. Allman is going to evaluate the coaches on staff at Westlake. The ones he feels will fit in with whatever he wants to do will stay. The ones he wants to replace with his trusted coaches, he will. He is going to put together the staff he thinks gives them the best chance at success.

PS - I have to say - he's pretty darn good at creating winning coaching staffs.

[PermianFan4Life]

LOL!! Something to do since we can't sleep! :D

Aye, I can't sleep because of this news andthe fact I just had knee surgery and hurt like hell. I am now angry, upset, injured and in massive amounts of pain! LOL

[KattTx]

Aye, I can't sleep because of this news andthe fact I just had knee surgery and hurt like hell. I am now angry, upset, injured and in massive amounts of pain! LOL

Hope ya got pain killers. :p

[PermianFan4Life]

Hope ya got pain killers. :p

Got alot of em courtesy of Dr Ingram. LOL

[odessapermian.com]

The (hopefully) good news is I feel the powers that be downtown who will be in charge of hiring the new guy are at least competent (compared to what was there when Mills, and then Smith, were hired). I think Fuller will know what he's doing and should have many, many contacts. Wilkins is still around to provide counsel, and his wife is on the school board.

[farmerfan]

Bring back A.G for a year or two. That would keep the ship righted until they could get a Dodge or somebody

[KattTx]

Wilkins is still around to provide counsel, and his wife is on the school board.

Hallelujah for small mercies.

Hell, bring back Wilkins. He's just as feisty and ornery as ever and his wife is one of the bosses. :p

[Live4turf]

Because the real world intrudes on that perfect world where kids have a say in these decisions that affect them to this degree (the Permian kids sure weren't asked what they wanted).

It won't be up to the players on who stays or who goes. Allman is going to evaluate the coaches on staff at Westlake. The ones he feels will fit in with whatever he wants to do will stay. The ones he wants to replace with his trusted coaches, he will. He is going to put together the staff he thinks gives them the best chance at success.

PS - I have to say - he's pretty darn good at creating winning coaching staffs.

That is good to hear. I hope he can put together a winning staff. But in my opinion, he has to keep many of the current ones to do that. NOT all, but several / many.

[Live4turf]

Got alot of em courtesy of Dr Ingram. LOL

Care to share? LOL

[KattTx]

That is good to hear. I hope he can put together a winning staff. But in my opinion, he has to keep many of the current ones to do that. NOT all, but several / many.

And he did keep some when he first hit Permian in 05. But you can be sure he will build the right staff.

[PermianFan4Life]

Care to share? LOL

LOL, NO!;)

I may go through all of what they gave me before the weekend, Man I hurt.

[KattTx]

LOL, NO!;)

I may go through all of what they gave me before the weekend, Man I hurt.

Guess I'll have to settle for the Nyquil bottle then. Nite all, gonna go lay in bed and stare at the ceiling in a futile attempt to sleep. :cool:

[PermianFan4Life]

Guess I'll have to settle for the Nyquil bottle then. Nite all, gonna go lay in bed and stare at the ceiling in a futile attempt to sleep. :cool:

G'night Katt

[Live4turf]

G'night Katt

None of you are fun! LOL I am out as well. Guess I will "rest" til I can get those drugs. LOL

Have a good one.

No Pain No gain!

[hoo2ers]

Good luck to Coach Allman.

Best wishes to him and his family. His leaving makes me feel like when my horse kicked me in the jewels.

[NHB06]

I really do wish Coach Allman the best of luck but I can't take the high road like all the other Permian fans on here........I'm pissed!!! He brought the long lost Mojo spirit back to Odessa and then he is gonna leave us high and dry?? I understand this is a great opportunity for him and his family but he gave us his word that he was here to bring us state. Does that mean nothing now? 38-11 is a great record but we still haven't had a State Championship since 1992 and now were right back were we started........looking for another coach. I thought this was it.....our chance to bring it home. Time to face it we haven't recovered since Tam Hollingshead and it looks like we never will.............................................. ..........I need a drink

Man, I would be pissed off too. Sorry Mojo fans, but what a kick in the a**.

[Exwildcat79]

You know, I hate the title of this thread. Westlake may have hired the Permian coach, but trust me, he will not be bringing any MOJO with him. We monitor that very closely in Odessa and just don't hand it out to commoners!;)

[mojotrain]

As I mentioned way back at the start of this string, never say never.

The lure of Head Coach/AD and the money offered was more than ECISD could or wanted to match. I can't blame them. We have a AD over both OHS and Permian. It just isn't worth that kind of money.

Allmans oc, Brannon Faircloth took the head position at PNG a few weeks back, so I don't think you will get him to bolt his contract there to move to Austin. However Allman can organize so Westlake will be ok.

The fire of Permian and the mastermind of the o-line, is Ted Willman who was also the assistant head coach. He is the pick of Permian fans to replace Allman. What I hear now is, he's not at the top of the list of OHS prone school board.

This is tough, it's very tough. When spring practice starts in a few weeks Permians seniors who were on 9th grade junior high teams when when Allman gathered them in to introduce himself and his ideals to rebuild Permian, Allman won't show. The new guy can't let them dwell on it. If he gets past that first battle and if he knows what he's doing, in return the kids at Permian high, their parents and fans, in time, will give him a name too.

[mojotrain]

I'm not saying it's impossible but lets speak the truth here. Not too many people in Odessa have the ability to do what you have done. It would be much easier in Austin to do what you have done than Odessa.

I don't think so!