WTF can someone explain this to me.

[svhorns]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/xmann21/KKKbaseballteam.jpg

[F18mustang]

They are all on "BOLI".

[RocklandDragon]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SZmulZPq_CI/AAAAAAAAFFA/WhMf2_p0xgQ/s1600/KKK%2Bbaseball%2Bteam.jpg

Can't see the pic.

[wesaxman34]

Can't see the pic.

Me neither.

[F18mustang]

Me neither.

Can't see the pic.


I love chrome.

[RocklandDragon]

Now it works.

:D

[svhorns]

how bout now.

[dragons08]

No blacks.

They must be the worst baseball team ever.

[stevefoxsc]

No blacks.

They must be the worst baseball team ever.

had a joke for that one, but you know can't offend anyone

[svhorns]

had a joke for that one, but you know can't offend anyone

Your half so it's ok. lol.

[CoveMom]

had a joke for that one, but you know can't offend anyone

Your half so it's ok. lol.

how does that work? when you offend yourself do you get a lawyer to sue yourself?

:confused:;)

[mojotrain]

This should be deleted. Now.

[svhorns]

This should be deleted. Now.

Why?

[wesaxman34]

This should be deleted. Now.

It's very offensive, but it's part of American history. Good discussions can come out of this, but on the flip side, it can get extremely out of hand...like a lot threads do.

[svhorns]

How the hell is this offensive.

I'm looking to see if anyone has any insight about this team or how they came about. Besides I'm sure if the KKK came around looking for trouble I'd be dead before either one of you.

"A Nation of Cowards"

[wesaxman34]

How the hell is this offensive.

I'm looking to see if anyone has any insight about this team or how they came about. Besides I'm sure if the KKK came around looking for trouble I'd be dead before either one of you.

"A Nation of Cowards"

I don't think I need to explain or post pictures of why the KKK was wrong on so many different levels. This isn't a picture of a baseball team doing physical harm to anyone, but they associated themselves with the KKK, which is why it is offensive. If I wore a shirt around school that had any kind of association to the "KKK" abbrev., it would be offensive.

That doesn't mean we can't be civil and have a mature discussion about it, though. There is a difference.

[BDB]

people make bad decisions and line themselves up with the wrong people..that's how it happened.

this used to be a youth group:
http://msp191.photobucket.com/albums/z241/24brandi/king.jpg

[svhorns]

I don't think I need to explain or post pictures of why the KKK was wrong on so many different levels. This isn't a picture of a baseball team doing physical harm to anyone, but they associated themselves with the KKK, which is why it is offensive. If I wore a shirt around school that had any kind of association to the "KKK" abbrev., it would be offensive.

That doesn't mean we can't be civil and have a mature discussion about it, though. There is a difference.

I understand who and what the KKK did I'm sure most everyone does. I just don't see this being offensive in the least bit unless you're just looking to be offended. I'm Cuban and I hear the American propaganda about my grandpas country all the time but I don't go around crying about it.

It's life why not talk about it. If this thread gets deleted I'll be uber disappointed.



Now back to the original topic. I'm hoping someone might know some of the History behind this picture.

[svhorns]

people make bad decisions and line themselves up with the wrong people..that's how it happened.

this used to be a youth group:
http://msp191.photobucket.com/albums/z241/24brandi/king.jpg

come on don't ruin my thread.

Lets keep it baseball oriented. No disrespect Prez.

[stevefoxsc]

people make bad decisions and line themselves up with the wrong people..that's how it happened.

this used to be a youth group:
http://msp191.photobucket.com/albums/z241/24brandi/king.jpg

its part of our history, and while it may be a dark part. No country has a clean slate, every where you go you have similar.

Even in the most peaceful places you have it,The country of japan is believe to actually have a % of it controlled by these guys under tables here and there.http://www.roadjunky.com/images/265.jpg

[BDB]

come on don't ruin my thread.

Lets keep it baseball oriented. No disrespect Prez.


oh.... this is about baseball? i really thought it was about the other thing

[dada]

I heard they set a record for going an entire season with no stolen bases.

[wesaxman34]

I understand who and what the KKK did I'm sure most everyone does. I just don't see this being offensive in the least bit unless you're just looking to be offended. I'm Cuban and I hear the American propaganda about my grandpas country all the time but I don't go around crying about it.

It's life why not talk about it. If this thread gets deleted I'll be uber disappointed.



Now back to the original topic. I'm hoping someone might know some of the History behind this picture.

I'll end it with this: It's all about perception. I just happened to have seen many videos/pictures/stories/quotes on the KKK recently, and I don't take the subject lightly. I'm white, but it is still a very sad thing to know about all of the horrible things they did, and to know see something like this is sad, too. (They very well could have been a part of late night riots and lynchings...I don't know)

I personally am not looking to be offended, but some things just are. I agree with you 100% that it IS part of our history, and that we should be able to talk about it.

[Fleeman93]

The interesting thing about it to me is that the KKK hid behind masks for the most part and these guys are flaunting the fact that they represent the KKK. Wonder how the public perceived the team back then?

[Dawg Fan]

I heard they set a record for going an entire season with no stolen bases.

holy sh*t I laughed hard.....excellent way to diffuse this stupid thread. What, is that picture like 40 years old. Who gives a sh*t about that. I loathe nothing more than the ignorant inbred embarrassment that is the kkk. :mad:

[dada]

holy sh*t I laughed hard.....excellent way to diffuse this stupid thread. What, is that picture like 40 years old. Who gives a sh*t about that. I loathe nothing more than the ignorant inbred embarrassment that is the kkk. :mad:

Yep....the Astros thought that team lacked speed.

[Firebird]

It's hard to put the picture in historical context without even a date, but I can offer up some information about the Klan as it existed in the first half of the century which will shed some light on the picture.

The 2nd Ku Klux Klan (as opposed to the 1st, which was started during Reconstruction and was mostly made up of former Confederate veterans) was an active, multimillion member fraternal organization that was near nation wide in its presence. It got geared up in the teens and reached its height in the twenties and hung on into the thirties and forties. Think the Elks Lodge with race hate, that's the best parallel I can come up with. Members paid dues, chapters got opened in different cities and states that were all tied to the National headquarters, and the organization itself took a visible role in politics and various community causes.

In the twenties, with membership reaching above five million, being a Klansman was not something people kept secret. The clubs were above ground and legal. They were popular mostly in the middle of the country and were by no means restricted only to the South-- Indiana was a hotbed as were the Midwest manufacturing cities like Detroit, and urban centers across the South. The organziation appealed to and defined itself as standing up for the blue-collar, white, Protestant American. Much of their activities had to do with opposing the influx of black Southerners during the Great Migration from Southern farms to Northern cities, but were just as virulently opposed to Southern and Eastern European immigrants and Catholics. Anti-Catholicism was a plank of their program. They didn't restrict themselves only to agitation against "outsiders" but were also heavily involved, especially in the South, in populist Progressive politics that they felt would help the white man, such as better (white) schools and improved roads and other government projects. Of course, given their rhetoric and ideology, much darker things happened as well-- they would whip up crowds to lynch suspected black criminals and commit other atrocties as well.

This is where the image of the "Klan rally" comes from. Representative of the national organization would come into town and arrange a public rally where he would agitate the crowd with a political speech which illustrated the need for an organization like the Klan to stand up for the white Protestants being overwhelmed by an influx of blacks and immigrants and Catholics. There would be a cross burning, and usually a local Protestant minister would be present to say a prayer and help give credence to the Klan's representatives. The Representatives would leave behind newly installed local leaders and collect the first installment of dues, and a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan would be up and running in a town. The leaders of the national organization got quite wealthy collecting dues. This was all done in the open and there was no need for secrecy. There are pictures of Klansmen marching on Washington, no masks, proudly waving the American flag from this era. The Klan even took part openly in the Democratic National Convention.

The local chapters did things like field baseball teams and take part in community activties, much like other fraternal organizations (Knights of Columbus, Elks Lodge, Masons, Moose Lodge, etc). The picture is most likely of a local chapter's baseball team that competed in a regional amateur league. As I've described above, the era of the 2nd Klan was much different than what we think of as the Klan today. It was not at all secretive but to the contrary a very open and active organization in communities across the United States. The Depression hit it hard in terms of due paying members and by 1940s criminal activities on the part of its leaders led to the national organization getting shut down. It had always skirted the boundry between accepted community group and criminal/secret enterprise and eventually crossed the line. Since then groups using the name have existed, usually unaffliated and in the South, never enjoying the same legitimacy and acceptance and the same broad national appeal. They are the ones that exist in secret and behind masks.

[wesaxman34]

The interesting thing about it to me is that the KKK hid behind masks for the most part and these guys are flaunting the fact that they represent the KKK. Wonder how the public perceived the team back then?

Yeah, that's a good point. I don't think it was THAT much of a secret to the small towns and communities who was part of the klan and who wasn't. In most places, it wouldn't matter anyways because of how corrupt the court houses and police forces were. Most everyone would turn their heads and look the other way.

[Firebird]

Yeah, that's a good point. I don't think it was THAT much of a secret to the small towns and communities who was part of the klan and who wasn't. In most places, it wouldn't matter anyways because of how corrupt the court houses and police forces were. Most everyone would turn their heads and look the other way.

When this picture was taken, it was probably not a secret at all. There was no need for corrupt courts or police forces. Most of what the Ku Klux Klan did was not illegal, merely odious. Even today, most of their activities are completely legal, but there is a strong social stigma attached to it. The secrecy and social stigma arose when groups using the name started operating in the 1950s and 1960s as a result of the Civil Rights movement, much of their activities were illegal and people began to see them in a different light.

That social stigma did not exist during the 2nd Klan's heyday. The Klan was an organization with millions of members that participated openly in the public square. Their ideas and philosophy were embraced or at the very least not shunned by most Americans of the time. It was not a secret society involved in things that most people found offensive.

Looking closer at the picture though, it seems unlikely that this picture was taken in the 1920s given the uniform style. Like I said in the first post, you would need a date/place to put this into better context.

[twcpfan1]

svhorns will tell you the dude in the second row 3rd from the left is an athlete :D

[SLC]

They all dont look pure white to me!

[Firebird]

svhorns will tell you the dude in the second row 3rd from the left is an athlete :D

Much more so than that klutz Nadal.....

[twcpfan1]

Much more so than that klutz Nadal.....

Yeah you're right. He aint much..

[mojotrain]

I understand who and what the KKK did I'm sure most everyone does. I just don't see this being offensive in the least bit unless you're just looking to be offended. I'm Cuban and I hear the American propaganda about my grandpas country all the time but I don't go around crying about it.

It's life why not talk about it. If this thread gets deleted I'll be uber disappointed.



Now back to the original topic. I'm hoping someone might know some of the History behind this picture.

I don't feel wrong about seeing the Rebel flag any place, I don't feel wrong by hearing the song Dixie. I don't like other nations flags being displayed in the USA or on articles of clothing. I just feel wrong about kkk.

[mojotrain]

The interesting thing about it to me is that the KKK hid behind masks for the most part and these guys are flaunting the fact that they represent the KKK. Wonder how the public perceived the team back then?

A lot like the extended hoodies of today.

[The King]

its part of our history, and while it may be a dark part. No country has a clean slate, every where you go you have similar.

Even in the most peaceful places you have it,The country of japan is believe to actually have a % of it controlled by these guys under tables here and there.http://www.roadjunky.com/images/265.jpg

I personally find the bottom pic offensive, who wants to see a dude without his shirt on???

Guys dumb enough to wear KKK baseball unis or Latin Kings Colors are choosing to do that and deserve what comes to them for doing it, but I still don't want to see a nude or half nude guy!

[BDB]

I personally find the bottom pic offensive, who wants to see a dude without his shirt on???

Guys dumb enough to wear KKK baseball unis or Latin Kings Colors are choosing to do that and deserve what comes to them for doing it, but I still don't want to see a nude or half nude guy!

you gotta admit, that's an impressive yakuza tatoo...

[SLC]

I personally find the bottom pic offensive, who wants to see a dude without his shirt on???

Guys dumb enough to wear KKK baseball unis or Latin Kings Colors are choosing to do that and deserve what comes to them for doing it, but I still don't want to see a nude or half nude guy!



Its safe to say that you dont go to the lake or pool much then...if at all. I'm guessing that means no watching swimming, boxing, martial arts, UFC and such.

[SLC]

you gotta admit, that's an impressive yakuza tatoo...


Damn impressive.:cool:

[The King]

Its safe to say that you dont go to the lake or pool much then...if at all. I'm guessing that means no watching swimming, boxing, martial arts, UFC and such.

I go to the beach from time to time, but I try to go only when their are more girls going in the group im with than guys.

half naked girls are woth it.

[SLC]

I go to the beach from time to time, but I try to go only when their are more girls going in the group im with than guys.

half naked girls are worth it.


On this we can agree.:)

[stevefoxsc]

you gotta admit, that's an impressive yakuza tatoo...

yeah unfortunately a lot of our performing artist have issues in japan due to the strict banning of tattoos in some places.

[BDB]

yeah unfortunately a lot of our performing artist have issues in japan due to the strict banning of tattoos in some places.

im assuming it's visible tatoos.

[wesaxman34]

When this picture was taken, it was probably not a secret at all. There was no need for corrupt courts or police forces. Most of what the Ku Klux Klan did was not illegal, merely odious. Even today, most of their activities are completely legal, but there is a strong social stigma attached to it. The secrecy and social stigma arose when groups using the name started operating in the 1950s and 1960s as a result of the Civil Rights movement, much of their activities were illegal and people began to see them in a different light.

That social stigma did not exist during the 2nd Klan's heyday. The Klan was an organization with millions of members that participated openly in the public square. Their ideas and philosophy were embraced or at the very least not shunned by most Americans of the time. It was not a secret society involved in things that most people found offensive.

Looking closer at the picture though, it seems unlikely that this picture was taken in the 1920s given the uniform style. Like I said in the first post, you would need a date/place to put this into better context.

The 2nd Klan if I remember correctly was ignited by Birth of a Nation, which played in the theaters for 3 straight years or something like that. That movie created another horrible perception and of the south and racism for blacks for children growing up in the north. I had to watch that movie and I was disguited by it, but that is what a lot of Americans thought the south was like: the KKK coming to save the day from the blacks. I even think it was even Woodrow Wilson's favorite movie, and he was open about it, too.

But you're right, it's hard to put that picture into context without knowing the exact time period it was taken in. But still, the KKK, even in the 2nd klan, carried out acts of lynching and political manipulations that were obviously very illegal.