Clash of the Titans Pt. II- Southlake Carroll vs. Katy

[KT2000]

64 teams started five weeks ago and here we are, Southlake Carroll (15-0) versus Katy (14-0). Carroll was said to be "reloading" going into this year, but that hasn't stopped them. The Dragons are 62-1 as a 5A school. The one has been very well documented/discussed, but that was two years ago. Only three players (that I can remember) that saw significant time in that game are still going:

McKay Jacobsen, WR, Southlake Carroll
Will Thompson, DB-WR, Katy
Ethan Steadman, DL, Katy

I'm thinking Joseph Agnew, DB, Southlake Carroll is another but I'll bet it's his older brother I'm confusing him with.

Katy is undefeated at this point in the year for the first time since 2000. The Tigers are making their eighth state championship appearance (7th as a 5A school). Katy is chasing its fifth state title overall (4th as 5A school). The Tigers have set several individual and team school records this year.

Southlake Carroll has outscored its playoff opponents 46-18 (28). Katy has outscored its opponents 38-13 (25) on average.

Carroll and Katy each has two 5A state championships so far this decade. Dragons vs. Tigers, Part II...something's got to give!

[drgnbkr]

64 teams started five weeks ago and here we are, Southlake Carroll (15-0) versus Katy (14-0). Carroll was said to be "reloading" going into this year, but that hasn't stopped them. The Dragons are 62-1 as a 5A school. The one has been very well documented/discussed, but that was two years ago. Only three players (that I can remember) that saw significant time in that game are still going:

McKay Jacobsen, WR, Southlake Carroll
Will Thompson, DB-WR, Katy
Ethan Steadman, DL, Katy

I'm thinking Joseph Agnew, DB, Southlake Carroll is another but I'll bet it's his older brother I'm confusing him with.

Katy is undefeated at this point in the year for the first time since 2000. The Tigers are making their eighth state championship appearance (7th as a 5A school). Katy is chasing its fifth state title overall (4th as 5A school). The Tigers have set several individual and team school records this year.

Southlake Carroll has outscored its playoff opponents 46-18 (28). Katy has outscored its opponents 38-13 (25) on average.

Carroll and Katy each has two 5A state championships so far this decade. Dragons vs. Tigers, Part II...something's got to give!

Don't forget..Carroll is the first 5-A team in history to make it to 4 straight championship games! I hope we have a good week on here and a good game on Saturday!

[Shoot2thrill]

KT2000, I have actually picked you guys to win the DII title all along but the way SLC is playing I am starting to have my doubts. :o . They (SLC) are truly playing lights out right now and Katy seems to be sputtering a bit. Do you think that the Katy coaching staff can make the necessary adjustments that are so crucial during the game? What is the overall health of the team at this juncture? Any key injuries? I am hoping for a whale of a game! Good luck!:)

[BigWhiteJake]

KT2000- Ethan hasnt played basically all year, wont be playing in state, FYI, read my thread buddy i put your name on it!!!

[BigWhiteJake]

Don't forget..Carroll is the first 5-A team in history to make it to 4 straight championship games! I hope we have a good week on here and a good game on Saturday!


THATS ONLY BECAUSE WE GOT SCREWED OUT OF IT IN 98

[BAMF cowboy]

64 teams started five weeks ago and here we are, Southlake Carroll (15-0) versus Katy (14-0). Carroll was said to be "reloading" going into this year, but that hasn't stopped them. The Dragons are 62-1 as a 5A school. The one has been very well documented/discussed, but that was two years ago. Only three players (that I can remember) that saw significant time in that game are still going:

McKay Jacobsen, WR, Southlake Carroll
Will Thompson, DB-WR, Katy
Ethan Steadman, DL, Katy

I'm thinking Joseph Agnew, DB, Southlake Carroll is another but I'll bet it's his older brother I'm confusing him with.

Katy is undefeated at this point in the year for the first time since 2000. The Tigers are making their eighth state championship appearance (7th as a 5A school). Katy is chasing its fifth state title overall (4th as 5A school). The Tigers have set several individual and team school records this year.

Southlake Carroll has outscored its playoff opponents 46-18 (28). Katy has outscored its opponents 38-13 (25) on average.

Carroll and Katy each has two 5A state championships so far this decade. Dragons vs. Tigers, Part II...something's got to give!

yeah i think you're confusing him with michael, although joe might've been on the time, he didn't play. I think Michael Boydston was another one that was on that team.

[KatyLinebacker47]

Well, if you can remember two years ago nobody thought that Katy had a fighting chance to even come close to the Dragons. The Katy coaching staff made all the right adjustments then and with half of that staff still here for this game I think that this game is going to be a good one. That said these are two different teams with a lot of different players. It's gonna go down to the wire and the team with the most heart will come away with another State championship. Let's get this show started!!!:D

[Dds115]

I think think the main difference in this game from last time..... the Dragons have a much better D this time around. You won't be able to just run the clock out, becuase this D will be able to stop the run a little bit better then last time. I think that is the main breaker in the game for Katy, the Dragon D.

[BigWhiteJake]

it was a different coaching staff matt. and yes SLC your defense is much improved cudos for not becoming the tech of texas high school football

[catman]

I thought after seeing Katy beat TWHS in week 0 that they would be playing SLC this Saturday. I based that on several things. The major one being the all-senior offensive line of Katy's. I also liked the fact that KT has found a passing game that enables them to be a more balanced team. It seems to me that SLC and KT are both better teams than when they last met. I would be suprised to see either team run away with a win. I'm thinking we will see another close one between these two that could go either way.

[toonman]

Too close to call - but I will be at Texas Stadium on Saturday

[KTHoC]

No doubt that this game will be a tight one. Both teams have the heart and the will to get it done. Well, Katy really has the "Will" (Thompson) to get it done. It will be a game where any mistakes will cost you. If one makes too many, it will be lights out for sure. Both 'D's are going to be tested to the extreme from two potent offenses. I have not had opportunity to see SLC play, so, all I can comment on is how Katy's D has shut down some good offenses in the playoffs. They did struggle some with Falls, but, their 'O' was able to get the job done. And that is why they are here and alive getting ready for the final. Won't miss this one! Gonna be a real good contest. I'll be there, just look for a guy in RED with a white hat!! (And you know that the good guys wear white hats!) :cool:

[Down n' Out]

Does anyone have the TV schedule...I have to go to a stupid Xmas party and can't go to the game.

[drgnbkr]

Well, if you can remember two years ago nobody thought that Katy had a fighting chance to even come close to the Dragons. The Katy coaching staff made all the right adjustments then and with half of that staff still here for this game I think that this game is going to be a good one. That said these are two different teams with a lot of different players. It's gonna go down to the wire and the team with the most heart will come away with another State championship. Let's get this show started!!!:D

I bet the coaches don't get much sleep this week! The wheels are turning...

[dragonsdaddy]

Does anyone have the TV schedule...I have to go to a stupid Xmas party and can't go to the game.
as it always was, the game is at noon on fsn.

[SmilinTiger]

Does anyone have the TV schedule...I have to go to a stupid Xmas party and can't go to the game.

That would be Christmas, by the way.

[ktfiend]

Does anyone have the TV schedule...I have to go to a stupid Xmas party and can't go to the game.

This is where priorities are set. There have been many Christmas parties missed by many fans in order to attend high school football games; not just in Katy.

[HeadMan]

Katy will lose to SLC this time around. Their road to state has been marked by mediocrity in comparison to SLC's, whose opponents have had a combined 57-3 record. Three of the five teams Katy has beat in the playoffs have had an equal or greater amount of losses than all five of Carroll's opponents combined. To say that Katy's domination of some of their opponents is equal to Carroll's is silly, they haven't had to play the likes of Lufkin, Plano, or Abilene, and they almost lost their last two games. Sure, they'll bring alot of heart etc etc but no one has come close to outscoring these guys, even the best teams from their respective regions.

[ktCarl]

Katy will lose to SLC this time around. Their road to state has been marked by mediocrity in comparison to SLC's, whose opponents have had a combined 57-3 record. Three of the five teams Katy has beat in the playoffs have had an equal or greater amount of losses than all five of Carroll's opponents combined. To say that Katy's domination of some of their opponents is equal to Carroll's is silly, they haven't had to play the likes of Lufkin, Plano, or Abilene, and they almost lost their last two games. Sure, they'll bring alot of heart etc etc but no one has come close to outscoring these guys, even the best teams from their respective regions.

This looks like a reprint from a SLC poster in 2003.

[DragonNation]

The only way to truly slow down the Dragon offense is to put pressure on the qb. Many have tried and many have failed. Katy just doesn't have the defensive horses to get it done.

Blitz and get burned. Stay in coverage and Newton will torch you.

Pick your poison.

[baldtiger15]

Katy will lose to SLC this time around. Their road to state has been marked by mediocrity in comparison to SLC's, whose opponents have had a combined 57-3 record. Three of the five teams Katy has beat in the playoffs have had an equal or greater amount of losses than all five of Carroll's opponents combined. To say that Katy's domination of some of their opponents is equal to Carroll's is silly, they haven't had to play the likes of Lufkin, Plano, or Abilene, and they almost lost their last two games. Sure, they'll bring alot of heart etc etc but no one has come close to outscoring these guys, even the best teams from their respective regions.
Records mean crap at this point- you've been in one close game all year, was it Garland? 28-23 final- blowout whoowey! Mediocrity? In what way is playing for the state championship at the end of an undefeated season mediocre? We had the debate about CyFalls and losses already, you probably weren't around for that one. So you played people with a good record- this is where the posters here respond with "they must have had a weak schedule" just like Katy. When will people learn that all that matters in the end is the whether you bring home the "W" Next time you make a prediction base it on intelligent thought and compare the teams in some way other than record- geez

[AZTiger]

The only way to truly slow down the Dragon offense is to put pressure on the qb. Many have tried and many have failed. Katy just doesn't have the defensive horses to get it done.

Blitz and get burned. Stay in coverage and Newton will torch you.

Pick your poison.

ha ha ha, oh man I feel like I just walked into a time machine back to 2003. didn't you learn your lesson last time around?

[KT2000]

Carroll's closest calls have come against Grapevine and Plano. They didn't play Garland.

[Zacharary]

I'm just ready to see a fantastic game. Carroll has been brewing and waiting for this game to come since '03. There isn't any more "talk" anyone can say now becuase both teams will put up all that it takes. put all records, stats, and history behind, it will all boil down to who wants it the most. both teams are going to play their brains out and both teams will leave better players. Best of luck to SLC and KATY.

[exbearkat]

The only way to truly slow down the Dragon offense is to put pressure on the qb. Many have tried and many have failed. Katy just doesn't have the defensive horses to get it done.

Blitz and get burned. Stay in coverage and Newton will torch you.

Pick your poison.
This is so damn funny I can't even tell ya. A lot of Katy fans had a bet on how long it would take for the ole "pick your poison" bs. Thanks for the laugh - brings back a ton of precious memories from '03. :D

[HeadMan]

Records mean crap at this point- you've been in one close game all year, was it Garland? 28-23 final- blowout whoowey! Mediocrity? In what way is playing for the state championship at the end of an undefeated season mediocre? We had the debate about CyFalls and losses already, you probably weren't around for that one. So you played people with a good record- this is where the posters here respond with "they must have had a weak schedule" just like Katy. When will people learn that all that matters in the end is the whether you bring home the "W" Next time you make a prediction base it on intelligent thought and compare the teams in some way other than record- geez

Some points to rebuke your thoughtful post:
1. I never called Katy mediocre, I called their road to the championship mediocre.
2. I did read about CyFalls, one of three teams with three or more losses that Katy has played en route, irregardless of how they got those losses.
3. Intelligent rationalization would point out records, whether or not you find it relevant that Carroll has knocked out three undefeateds in the last three games while Katy has struggled as of late.
4. Defiantely the "W" matters, but we can't really debate whose "W" is better than the others, so looking at the teams they played offers some insight as to how two undefeateds will match up come game time.
5. One five point loss is as close as anyone has come all season, and that was week nine, I believe Katy has squeaked out more games than that.

Thanks for your input.

[nate]

5. One five point loss is as close as anyone has come all season, and that was week nine, I believe Katy has squeaked out more games than that.

Katy is much more than 5 points better than Grapevine. Don't worry about that.

[dragonsdaddy]

Katy is much more than 5 points better than Grapevine. Don't worry about that.
you think if gvine played slc 10 more times, they might not fare so well ever again?

[TXfbfan]

The only way to truly slow down the Dragon offense is to put pressure on the qb. Many have tried and many have failed. Katy just doesn't have the defensive horses to get it done.

Blitz and get burned. Stay in coverage and Newton will torch you.

Pick your poison.

Man this looks familiar, but i guess you could say the same sbout katy, if u put 8 in the box theyll pass if 7 theyll run, now pick your poisen.

[TXfbfan]

Some points to rebuke your thoughtful post:
1. I never called Katy mediocre, I called their road to the championship mediocre.
2. I did read about CyFalls, one of three teams with three or more losses that Katy has played en route, irregardless of how they got those losses.
3. Intelligent rationalization would point out records, whether or not you find it relevant that Carroll has knocked out three undefeateds in the last three games while Katy has struggled as of late.
4. Defiantely the "W" matters, but we can't really debate whose "W" is better than the others, so looking at the teams they played offers some insight as to how two undefeateds will match up come game time.
5. One five point loss is as close as anyone has come all season, and that was week nine, I believe Katy has squeaked out more games than that.

Thanks for your input.

Say it was mediocre but Katy beat the 3rd best team in the state last week.

[Owned05]

The only way to truly slow down the Dragon offense is to put pressure on the qb. Many have tried and many have failed. Katy just doesn't have the defensive horses to get it done.

Blitz and get burned. Stay in coverage and Newton will torch you.

Pick your poison.

Do you remember what happened last time we were told to 'pick our poison'?

Just please, don't start that again. I highly doubt that Newton is anywhere close to where Luna was in 03. Luna, not Chase Daniel, carried that team in the 2nd half of the 03 Championship game.

Just no more of this pick your poison stuff. Please.

[baldtiger15]

Carroll's closest calls have come against Grapevine and Plano. They didn't play Garland.
Sorry, I meant Grapevine, not Garland- baldy's brain is currently fried.

[RidgePride]

Katy will lose to SLC this time around. Their road to state has been marked by mediocrity in comparison to SLC's, whose opponents have had a combined 57-3 record. Three of the five teams Katy has beat in the playoffs have had an equal or greater amount of losses than all five of Carroll's opponents combined. To say that Katy's domination of some of their opponents is equal to Carroll's is silly, they haven't had to play the likes of Lufkin, Plano, or Abilene, and they almost lost their last two games. Sure, they'll bring alot of heart etc etc but no one has come close to outscoring these guys, even the best teams from their respective regions.
Carroll playing a tougher schedule does not make them better. Who is to say Katy could not have beaten those teams too.

[YuccaRoot]

SLC 31
Katy 30

[dragonsdaddy]

Do you remember what happened last time we were told to 'pick our poison'?

Just please, don't start that again. I highly doubt that Newton is anywhere close to where Luna was in 03. Luna, not Chase Daniel, carried that team in the 2nd half of the 03 Championship game.

Just no more of this pick your poison stuff. Please.
you need to rewatch the tape. daniel became our second rb that half. i don't have the stats but he was making some plays with his feet as well as a few good throws too.

[Owned05]

you need to rewatch the tape. daniel became our second rb that half. i don't have the stats but he was making some plays with his feet as well as a few good throws too.

If I rewatch the tape will you tell your Dragon friends to quit with the "pick your poison" bs?

[drgnbkr]

If I rewatch the tape will you tell your Dragon friends to quit with the "pick your poison" bs?

C'mon man we like the "pick your poison" bit. ....:D I guess we'll have to come up with another annoying slogan..

[WestlandTiger'95]

this year both teams have their poison!!!!...we'll just see who can hold out longer and not let the poison damage their system!!!!!

You guys didnt invent the forward pass...so quit with the pick your NOSE stuff!!!!!
Ever since the fowrard pass teams have had to choose which one of the two to stop.

[dragons08]

C'mon man we like the "pick your poison" bit. ....:D I guess we'll have to come up with another annoying slogan..
pick your vegtable?

[drgnbkr]

Pick your nose...pick your seat...pick you friends.....pick your demise...now we're gettin somewhere..pick your doom..pick your....?

[gwdaddy]

Pick your guitar to Blue Christmas for the red team?;)

[exbearkat]

daniel became our second rb that half. i don't have the stats but he was making some plays with his feet as well as a few good throws too.
I remember one in particular that ended up being "not so good." ;)

[dragonsfan]

Katy will lose to SLC this time around. Their road to state has been marked by mediocrity in comparison to SLC's, whose opponents have had a combined 57-3 record. Three of the five teams Katy has beat in the playoffs have had an equal or greater amount of losses than all five of Carroll's opponents combined. To say that Katy's domination of some of their opponents is equal to Carroll's is silly, they haven't had to play the likes of Lufkin, Plano, or Abilene, and they almost lost their last two games. Sure, they'll bring alot of heart etc etc but no one has come close to outscoring these guys, even the best teams from their respective regions.

This looks like a reprint from a SLC poster in 2003.


Well are the facts, as opposed to the opinion of who will win, correctly stated?

[BigWhiteJake]

katys just in a rare situation, we have seen them pressured only twice, seen a few tought first halves, i.e. woodlands, humble, taylor but we still dont know a ton about them...its a moot point to say we are more than 5 points better than grapevine or SLC is more than 4 points better than cyfalls, which obviously both teams are. what you have to look for here is, does one teams strength attack anothers weakness, those are the tell tale signs in these affairs.

[dragons08]

Pick your nose...pick your seat...pick you friends.....pick your demise...now we're gettin somewhere..pick your doom..pick your....?
pick your drug?

[dragonsfan]

Katy may win on Saturday, but without a doubt the Dragons have had much better competition on the way to the game than the Tigers. Let's compare:

In the play-offs Katy played only one 5ATF.com Region 3 Top Ten Team, Beaumont Westbrook at #9. The four teams Katy played in Region 3 did not include a single District champion and three of the teams were third in their district, so needless to say none was undefeated. SLC's trip through Region One was a little different. They played numbers 6,8,3 and 2 of the 5ATF.com Region 1 Top Ten Teams. #6 Irving Mac's only previous loss was to Trinity, so they were tied for first place in their district as they beat the team (SGP) that beat Trinity. Allen at #8 was second in district and Plano at #2 and Abilene at #3 were undefeated district champs. In the semi final game Katy played once beaten SV the #2 in 5ATF.com Region 4 Top Ten Team while SLC played unbeaten and #1 in 5ATF.com Region 2 Top Ten Team Lufkin.

If you look at the Top 25 according to 5ATF.com SLC played 4 of the top 15 in the play-offs while Katy didn't see a top 25 team until it played #13 SV.


As to stats, it looks like Katy gets about 408 yard per game and gives up about 216. SLC is getting 516 yards per game and giving up 254. So net of 60 in favor of SLC. When you consider the not so hot, until SV, competition Katy has had, the Dragons have to be the favorites by 10 next week.

[BigWhiteJake]

yeah without a doubt SLC is better, we know, doesnt mean they will win, however.

the thing that worries me most, is the way that other teams have stopped katy's offense of late, you look at 3 quarters of the cy falls game, then the second half against SV was bad, but good enough...

obviously the other coaches are picking up on weaknesses, and with my respect for dodge, i think he will one up his predecessors

[BAMF cowboy]

yeah without a doubt SLC is better, we know, doesnt mean they will win, however.

the thing that worries me most, is the way that other teams have stopped katy's offense of late, you look at 3 quarters of the cy falls game, then the second half against SV was bad, but good enough...

obviously the other coaches are picking up on weaknesses, and with my respect for dodge, i think he will one up his predecessors

katy having weak 2nd halfs you say? that doesn't bode well for them since halftime adjustments have been HUGE for the dragons the past two weeks. ask any plano or lufkin fan

[BigWhiteJake]

nothing bodes well for us this game...nevertheless we'll show up and play...

you will not see katy quit, out of all the negative things i can say about them, they will not rollover...

like i said in another post though, it is crucial we be ahead at halftime

[baldtiger15]

Katy may win on Saturday, but without a doubt the Dragons have had much better competition on the way to the game than the Tigers. Let's compare:



As to stats, it looks like Katy gets about 408 yard per game and gives up about 216. SLC is getting 516 yards per game and giving up 254. So net of 60 in favor of SLC. When you consider the not so hot, until SV, competition Katy has had, the Dragons have to be the favorites by 10 next week.

I won't argue about records at this point- it's like comparing apples and oranges with you people (think Texas vs A&M game)

As for yardage- if SLC would stop throwing the ball 40yds downfield when he's up by 35pts with all his starters in, the stats wouldn't be quite so inflated. Consider that Katy's #1 O and D left the game mid 3rd quarter in most of our district games (since this is HS football and it's about the kids...remember) I dare say that statistically we'd be alot closer. No ten point advantage - just close game.

[KT2000]

BWJ, I think a lot of Katy's struggles on offense are self-inflicted in addition to better competition. The Tigers had a good gameplan against Smithson Valley, and should have scored in the low 30s if they play the 2nd half like they did the first.

When Katy's played mistake free football (and even at times when they haven't) teams haven't been able to keep them from scoring. The Tigers need to play an efficient game all-around this week. They proved they could do that in the first three rounds, and need to bring that kind of game into Texas Stadium. If not, it will be very tough to win unless the Dragons are making mistakes themselves.

[drgnbkr]

I won't argue about records at this point- it's like comparing apples and oranges with you people (think Texas vs A&M game)

As for yardage- if SLC would stop throwing the ball 40yds downfield when he's up by 35pts with all his starters in, the stats wouldn't be quite so inflated. Consider that Katy's #1 O and D left the game mid 3rd quarter in most of our district games (since this is HS football and it's about the kids...remember) I dare say that statistically we'd be alot closer. No ten point advantage - just close game.

If you'd seen any Carroll games this year, you'd know that is bogus..Carroll rotates players throuout the game and has all year...For most of the season Riley played every third series...the defense rested in the 2nd half and all 8 WR's played in every game..c'mon, keep it real! You can't expect the reserves to take a knee every play!

[Favpack]

Pick your nose...pick your seat...pick you friends.....pick your demise...now we're gettin somewhere..pick your doom..pick your....?
LOL - that is funny. Actually, unless my memory has left again I think the PYP slogan erupted in 2003 and was an appropriate question/comment. It had a quick demise, however, when Katy pulled the surprise. Lufkin opted to test McElroy's long ball ability - and we discovered he throws a perfect long ball - probably better than Chase.

Playing SLC is like a building a house. You may get lucky and discover the perfect plan the first time, but chances are you need to play them about 4 times to determine something that works. Lufkin and Denton Ryan are still working on a plan.

[cougardude]

Does anyone have the TV schedule...I have to go to a stupid Xmas party and can't go to the game.


The game is at noon at Texas Stadium and should be on FoxSports Southwest.

[baldtiger15]

If you'd seen any Carroll games this year, you'd know that is bogus..Carroll rotates players throuout the game and has all year...For most of the season Riley played every third series...the defense rested in the 2nd half and all 8 WR's played in every game..c'mon, keep it real! You can't expect the reserves to take a knee every play!

Yes, i've seen plenty of SLC this year. Did you even see the Abilene game? 4th down and long from the plus 30yd, up by more than 30 and you guys are chunking it downfield... just like you've done all season. Different coaching style and playcalling from what we're used to down here I guess.

[Zacharary]

Prediction for this game:
SLC:15
Katy:16

double the fun

[Favpack]

Yes, i've seen plenty of SLC this year. Did you even see the Abilene game? 4th down and long from the plus 30yd, up by more than 30 and you guys are chunking it downfield... just like you've done all season. Different coaching style and playcalling from what we're used to down here I guess.

There's probably no one here that has watched more Dragon ball over the past couple of years than Drgnbkr - except maybe Dragonsdaddy. The Abilene game was just a landslide nobody saw coming. SLC ran it plenty against the eagles. SLC ran it 3 to 1 (ratio to passing) when they went up by a significant margin against Lufkin. Dodge is all about clock mgt. in the 4th qtr.

[baldtiger15]

There's probably no one here that has watched more Dragon ball over the past couple of years than Drgnbkr - except maybe Dragonsdaddy. The Abilene game was just a landslide nobody saw coming. SLC ran it plenty against the eagles. SLC ran it 3 to 1 (ratio to passing) when they went up by a significant margin against Lufkin. Dodge is all about clock mgt. in the 4th qtr.

I understand that. I just had a different opinion of Dodge before he started blowing people out. I've seen more than one game where he scored multiple times in the fourth quarter- that in MY very humble opinion were unnecessary (i know i'm gonna get crap for this one) and that seemed classless. Everyone knows SLC is great. Especially SLC fans and players. Is it not good enough to beat a team by 30 or 40 points, but when you pummel them into the 50's and 60's and keep scoring? I know losing builds character, but that's disheartening to opposing players. Remember this is about the kids. This is simply my observation and opinion

[Zacharary]

I agree

[Zacharary]

That's what I like and respect most about Katy. especially during the regular season. after the game is guaranteed, then we give the oposing team a reprieve if you will. go out with class indeed.

[The Iceman]

i havent seen a lot of slc games but do they leave their starters in after they get ahead big or is their second and third team that good if so that is very inpressive. i know for katy the starters only played a couple of series in the trird quarter then they left it up the to rest of the team to close it out. katy would have a lot more shut outs if they kept the 1's in. i know that leaving your 1's in helps them become more conditioned(katy learned the hard way,cy fals) but is what happned to just a little respect or your oppenent.

[dragonfly]

This is so damn funny I can't even tell ya. A lot of Katy fans had a bet on how long it would take for the ole "pick your poison" bs. Thanks for the laugh - brings back a ton of precious memories from '03. :D

Hold on to those precious memories of 2003. Hopefully they'll keep you warm throughout 2006 when you're the ones waiting for the rematch. I predict a Carroll victory.

[dragonfly]

Anyone know how many spread teams Katy has played this year? I'd be interested to know how many passing yards/TDs they gave up to spread teams.

[AZTiger]

Anyone know how many spread teams Katy has played this year? I'd be interested to know how many passing yards/TDs they gave up to spread teams.

well i know for sure they played 3 of them in the playoffs, and held each one in check, but none run the spread like SLC does

[SLCDad]

i havent seen a lot of slc games but do they leave their starters in after they get ahead big or is their second and third team that good if so that is very inpressive. i know for katy the starters only played a couple of series in the trird quarter then they left it up the to rest of the team to close it out. katy would have a lot more shut outs if they kept the 1's in. i know that leaving your 1's in helps them become more conditioned(katy learned the hard way,cy fals) but is what happned to just a little respect or your oppenent.Coach Dodge believes that every team is deserving of respect for every minute of every game. He also teaches every player should do his best on every play that they are in the game. After the starters come out, the 2nds and 3rds should play just as hard as the 1sts.

SLC also does a lot of platooning. They did more in the regular season than in the play-offs. For example, every 3rd series the #2 QB would come in. They also gave 7-8 WRs lots of playing time. They even platooned at RB until Newton won the job.

If you look at SLC scores you will see many more points scored in the 1st half than in the 2nd half. In the first three play-off games SLC outscored their opponents 110-0 in the first half and then only scored 35 points in the 2nd halfs of the three games combined.

In play-off games 4 and 5 the half time scores were close (average score was 21-20 for both games combined). However, SLC outscored Plano and Lufkin 21-7 (average) in the 2nd half.

[dragonbuck]

i havent seen a lot of slc games but do they leave their starters in after they get ahead big or is their second and third team that good if so that is very inpressive. i know for katy the starters only played a couple of series in the trird quarter then they left it up the to rest of the team to close it out. katy would have a lot more shut outs if they kept the 1's in. i know that leaving your 1's in helps them become more conditioned(katy learned the hard way,cy fals) but is what happned to just a little respect or your oppenent.

All season long Todd rotated in players at most positions thoroughout the game, for example:
A. 8-9 receivers are playing in the 1st half.. Common for 8 receivers to have a catch in any given game.
B. rotates in defensive linemen - regular straters and 2 others rotate in
c. 5-6 players rotate in at DB depending on coverages and oppontents
d. Riley Dodge played every 3rd series during the regular season.
e. RB's Newton and Moorefield rotate all game (2/3 to 1/3).

Little rotation at Linebacker and Oline until wholesale substitition in 4th qtr.

No player goes both ways and none have in the last 5 years to my knowledge.

You just don't see the entire 2nd unit come into the game at once until the game is out of reach and play selection by the opposition indicates "truce".

With no player going both ways and most not playing on special teams, many kids are getting playing time. The rotation in with the "1st" unit allows kids to play in real game situations and not just closing out a game by taking a knee or 2 yard dive plays. It's more fun for them too since they get to run the whole offense and face better competition.

[dragonsfan]

I understand that. I just had a different opinion of Dodge before he started blowing people out. I've seen more than one game where he scored multiple times in the fourth quarter- that in MY very humble opinion were unnecessary (i know i'm gonna get crap for this one) and that seemed classless. Everyone knows SLC is great. Especially SLC fans and players. Is it not good enough to beat a team by 30 or 40 points, but when you pummel them into the 50's and 60's and keep scoring? I know losing builds character, but that's disheartening to opposing players. Remember this is about the kids. This is simply my observation and opinion

Could be you don't know what you are talking about? I have looked at what little info the Houston Chronicle gives on every game Katy played this year. Tell me the game your starting QB didn't play in the second half. Tell me the game he played less that 2/3 of the downs? When we have scored late in games it has been second teamers (except the Ryan and Keller games when R. Dodge was injured) unless the battle wasn't won. The problem is that our second teamers are better than a lot of other first teams. I agree this is about kids, but the norm in most football programs is to play the starters into the third quarter regardless of the score. Katy put 10 points on Hastings in the third leading 45 to 0; they put 14 in the third on Clements leading 34-0 and 14 in the third on Beaumont Westbrook leading 28-0. In the Cypress Creek game leading 39-7 at the very end of the third Dalton threw a pass to Fuda for a touchdown. Mighty kind hearted coach you have there.

[BigWhiteJake]

dragons fan just stop, your embarassing yourself...

[dragonsfan]

Big White Jake, the baldtiger is the one talking trash about Dodge and kids playing hard in the second half. No embarrassment here. I have a great deal of respect for Katy but the baldtiger needs to examine his position before he presents it.

[dragonfootballfan]

It is not the offenses fault if they score. It is the defense's fault if they do,

[BigWhiteJake]

lol ok, you just keep arguing about the game with baldtiger, BWJ will just set back and roll his big white irises

[baldtiger15]

Could be you don't know what you are talking about? I have looked at what little info the Houston Chronicle gives on every game Katy played this year. Tell me the game your starting QB didn't play in the second half. Tell me the game he played less that 2/3 of the downs? When we have scored late in games it has been second teamers (except the Ryan and Keller games when R. Dodge was injured) unless the battle wasn't won. The problem is that our second teamers are better than a lot of other first teams. I agree this is about kids, but the norm in most football programs is to play the starters into the third quarter regardless of the score. Katy put 10 points on Hastings in the third leading 45 to 0; they put 14 in the third on Clements leading 34-0 and 14 in the third on Beaumont Westbrook leading 28-0. In the Cypress Creek game leading 39-7 at the very end of the third Dalton threw a pass to Fuda for a touchdown. Mighty kind hearted coach you have there.
1st off the "Moronicle" is not where i get my info and I used to edit it for mistakes when we were in grade school. 2nd the games you speak of, Hastings, Clements, Beaumont Westbrook Mayde Creek, the 2nd half scores were by the 2nd and 3rd team offense. Even seniors that have been backups played alot those games. I know Brixey the OC for Katy, people have given him a hard time for those times like you mentioned, Dalton to Fuda for six when we're already up, late in the game. what happened after that? the 2nd teamers got to play in a playoff game. That's what this game is all about. I never said that backups had to take a knee, like you suggested, but gunning for the endzone (whether you are capable or not) is just not classy when you're up by 40-50 points. If you want me to tell the Katy coaches that myself i will. They'll agree with me. All i ever suggested at the beginning of this conversation was the need for more conservative play calling by a winning team, with character, and a coach with class. My question is this? Is Dodge more concerned with running up the score and gaining stats to earn that #1 National ranking, or is he about playing the seniors? If you can tell me that, I will shut up and never mention this again.

To all SLC fans, please know, I have complete and total respect for Dodge, a pleasant man and quality coach. I have enjoyed your posts and look forward to a great game. It seems this one statement is going to haunt me- as dragonsfan won't let it go.

[BigWhiteJake]

baldtiger is like my mentor...and yall cant even out smart *** me...come on now...