View Full Version : Junior vs.Vickers:Who's at fault???????
Joboots
02-15-2009, 08:05 PM
Who's to blame for the fiasco on lap 124 at Daytona today?????
svhorns
02-15-2009, 08:07 PM
Who's to blame for the fiasco on lap 124 at Daytona today?????
Junior
It was a dumb move by both drivers, as they were both a lap down and racing for the lucky dog...a wreck between two cars a lap down took out the best driver and several other cars.
in the end I think its Jr.s fault as the move Brian made was a legal one and the resulting move by Jr. was out of frustration.
Slim-Rob
02-15-2009, 08:08 PM
They were racing. **** happens. You can't place the blame on either
4th and 1
02-15-2009, 08:43 PM
They were racing. **** happens. You can't place the blame on either
They were racing - right
**** happens - yes it does
You can't place blame - yes you can (IMO)
Without Juniors knucklehead move below the double yellow line, the lap 124 wreck(s) wouldn't have happened.
svhorns
02-15-2009, 08:51 PM
They were racing - right
**** happens - yes it does
You can't place blame - yes you can (IMO)
Without Juniors knucklehead move below the double yellow line, the lap 124 wreck(s) wouldn't have happened.
this...
I think Jr. was also frustrated because he forgot how to pit.
Slim-Rob
02-15-2009, 10:25 PM
knuckleheaded move below the line? are you serious? He was forced down there!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fPfMTYBUvs
Jr. would have EASILY have blown by Vickers, but then Vickers came down to block Jr. BUT he didn't move down in front of him, like you are saying. HE HIT HIM. Watch the video. Granted Jr. could have slowed up, but when you're trying to pass and someone hits you, it's a no go.
BTW, Jr. barely tapped him.
It happened, it happens, if it had been any other driver besides Dale Earnhardt Jr. no one would be *****ing about this. Bunch of ******* haters.
BTW Vickers said "He hit me on the way down there, then spun me on the way back up"
NO SIR YOU HIT HIM ON THE WAY DOWN THERE.
knuckleheaded move below the line? are you serious? He was forced down there!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fPfMTYBUvs
Jr. would have EASILY have blown by Vickers, but then Vickers came down to block Jr. BUT he didn't move down in front of him, like you are saying. HE HIT HIM. Watch the video. Granted Jr. could have slowed up, but when you're trying to pass and someone hits you, it's a no go.
BTW, Jr. barely tapped him.
It happened, it happens, if it had been any other driver besides Dale Earnhardt Jr. no one would be *****ing about this. Bunch of ******* haters.
BTW Vickers said "He hit me on the way down there, then spun me on the way back up"
NO SIR YOU HIT HIM ON THE WAY DOWN THERE.
He and everyone else is talking about the move Jr. made AFTER he was moved down below the line...He came back up and across the rear of Vickers...That caused the wreck..NOT the blocking move Vickers put on him...Jr. didnt like being bumped down below the line and he purposely turned his car back up above the line into Vickers rear bumber...and the video clearly shows that. He was pissy because he screwed himself in the pits twice.
Also..You say if it was any other driver no one would be complaining..Thats BS..baby boy almost automatically gets a pass on stuff like that because of who his daddy is.
Slim-Rob
02-15-2009, 10:41 PM
oh yeah Vickers is a Saint huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS82vHdxsAE
yeah, clean racer he is :rolleyes:
And BTW SLC if you listen to what Vickers says about Jr wrecking him, he said something along the lines of "he hit me when i beat him to the line, then hit me on the way back up again"
DragonBand06
02-15-2009, 11:01 PM
I think Junior got a little antsy getting back up above the line and forgot to blend in. I don't think he hit vickers on purpose, but I do think he was the cause of the wreck.
slorch
02-16-2009, 05:43 AM
knuckleheaded move below the line? are you serious? He was forced down there!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fPfMTYBUvs
Jr. would have EASILY have blown by Vickers, but then Vickers came down to block Jr. BUT he didn't move down in front of him, like you are saying. HE HIT HIM. Watch the video. Granted Jr. could have slowed up, but when you're trying to pass and someone hits you, it's a no go.
BTW, Jr. barely tapped him.
It happened, it happens, if it had been any other driver besides Dale Earnhardt Jr. no one would be *****ing about this. Bunch of ******* haters.
BTW Vickers said "He hit me on the way down there, then spun me on the way back up"
NO SIR YOU HIT HIM ON THE WAY DOWN THERE.
Talk about revisionists' history...
Someone's ate up with the Junior Love...:rolleyes:
I'm an Earnhardt SENIOR fan, so you can mix that little grain of salt in there.
I CAN'T STAND when someone blocks. ESPECIALLY AS BLATANT as Vickers did on Sunday. Oh, yea, there is still LOTS of race left to go. Factor in that these two boys are a lap down, and the block becomes even more silly.
Now, on the other side, you have the argument, Once again, there is lots of laps left, and these two are a lap down. Junior COULD have lifted a LITTLE bit more. The hit wasn't THAT hard, and Vickers looked to have it saved, and THEN over corrected. In any case, Vickers was probably not going to lose control of his car, without Junebug's help.
A similar deal happened at Talledega a couple of years back. That time a team mate got into another team mate, took out the FIRST AND SECOND place car, on the way to the win. The car starting the wreck, won the race. That driver?? Brian Vickers. The 1st and 2nd place cars affected by his miscalculation?? Dale Jr, and Jimmie Johnson.
It's racing. I am sorry that Junior hit Vickers, and took out some other drivers in the process. I am not sorry that Vickers tried to block, and paid the price. If he doesn't want to get rubbed, then go drive open wheel.
It was refreshing to see SOME aggresive driving from someone NOT named Stewart or Bush.
ExCOOG88
02-16-2009, 10:34 AM
kinda reminded me of Senior there for a moment. What was it that Big E would say, something to the effect of race me but don't block me. Guarantee if Vickers had done that to Big E same thing would have happened. Kuddos to Jr. Jr owed him one anyways for the Talledega incident a few years ago.
kinda reminded me of Senior there for a moment. What was it that Big E would say, something to the effect of race me but don't block me. Guarantee if Vickers had done that to Big E same thing would have happened. Kuddos to Jr. Jr owed him one anyways for the Talledega incident a few years ago.
And thats the problem with this crap..Now Brian will feel the need to payback Jr. and it will wind up costing the drivers around them in the process.
JagFan
02-16-2009, 11:14 AM
It pains me to say it but Junior caused the wreck. Vickers blocked because at the time he was the "Lucky Dog" Anyone else would have blocked in the same situation. They were racing the rain and so knew the "lucky dog" spot was very important at that time.
Did anyone ever say if Junior's spotter told him he was clear? Or if he even had a chance to tell him anything?
It pains me to say it but Junior caused the wreck. Vickers blocked because at the time he was the "Lucky Dog" Anyone else would have blocked in the same situation. They were racing the rain and so knew the "lucky dog" spot was very important at that time.
Did anyone ever say if Junior's spotter told him he was clear? Or if he even had a chance to tell him anything?
I know that the spotters are up high, but I wonder how well the spotter could see anyway, from the Tri oval, to dang near the entrance to turn 3.
Don't think that you can blame this one on the spotter, though I know if I was the spotter, I would feel pretty bad, if I told my driver "clear high" and he wasn't clear by a few inches.
Dang front splitter!
:D
JagFan
02-16-2009, 11:25 AM
I know that the spotters are up high, but I wonder how well the spotter could see anyway, from the Tri oval, to dang near the entrance to turn 3.
Don't think that you can blame this one on the spotter, though I know if I was the spotter, I would feel pretty bad, if I told my driver "clear high" and he wasn't clear by a few inches.
Dang front splitter!
:D
Not trying to blame the spotter. Just wondering if he even had a chance because it happened so fast. I do not think Junior did it maliciously but it was his fault. His head was not there yesterday and you gotta be there if your going to race at 200 mph or stuff like that and his pit problems are going to happen.
drgnbkr
02-16-2009, 11:26 AM
Totally Junior's fault...You can't drive through the car in front of you, even if your name is Earnhart..everyone there in the race know who caused it..some even had the guts to tell the truth..Junior is handed the best equipment, best support and can't even find his pit..Twice!
Slim-Rob
02-16-2009, 12:38 PM
Jr is handed the best equipment? You are a hater too. Everyone is pretty even as far as equipment goes these days. He explained why he missed the box the first time, and the second time he was barely out of it. People make mistakes.
There's no point arguing with you guys. waawaaawaaa jr wrecked him. ITS RACING. It happens all the time.
drgnbkr
02-16-2009, 12:52 PM
Jr is handed the best equipment? You are a hater too. Everyone is pretty even as far as equipment goes these days. He explained why he missed the box the first time, and the second time he was barely out of it. People make mistakes.
There's no point arguing with you guys. waawaaawaaa jr wrecked him. ITS RACING. It happens all the time.
I'm not a hater..and as you know Junior wrecked a lot more than him...he wiped out a lot of good potential racing..And if you don't think being a part of Hendrick is an advantage, your crazy...
yankee
02-16-2009, 01:33 PM
Talk about revisionists' history...
Someone's ate up with the Junior Love...:rolleyes:
ate up with earnhardt love?
looks like you're all ate up with earnhardt hate.
smw358
02-16-2009, 02:22 PM
I betcha Vickers won't go low again when he sees Earnhardt on
his butt. Earnhardt almost put him into the cheap seats. Hey,
that's racing. Intimidator II !
I betcha Vickers won't go low again when he sees Earnhardt on
his butt. Earnhardt almost put him into the cheap seats. Hey,
that's racing. Intimidator II !
Jr. isnt a pimple on his daddys as$...Sr. had more talent in his nose hair than Jr. could ever think of having.
Jr. isnt a pimple on his daddys as$...Sr. had more talent in his nose hair than Jr. could ever think of having.
I keep waitin for Jr. to wick it up. Get up on the wheel. Sr. was a bonafide WildA$$ at Jr's age.
There's always hope, I reckon.
drgnbkr
02-16-2009, 03:39 PM
I keep waitin for Jr. to wick it up. Get up on the wheel. Sr. was a bonafide WildA$$ at Jr's age.
There's always hope, I reckon.
I agree. He's likable enough, with all of the resources he has, it just seems like he ain't got "it",
4th and 1
02-16-2009, 05:07 PM
Earnhardt comments on incident:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/9225918/Earnhardt-lashes-out-after-big-Daytona-crash
slorch
02-16-2009, 05:38 PM
ate up with earnhardt love?
looks like you're all ate up with earnhardt hate.
I'm neutral on Junior.
I just laugh at my buddies that have all of the 3's on one side of their back window on their pickups, and 8's...um...88's on the other side.
he made a bad move. that's all. He's human. Big deal.
he's still a good guy in my book and I like seeing him do well.
i just disagree with the blind allegiance.
I keep waitin for Jr. to wick it up. Get up on the wheel. Sr. was a bonafide WildA$$ at Jr's age.
There's always hope, I reckon.
You might be waiting a long time... Sr. had bonafide talent at that age...With the same amount of seasons he had 31 wins and 3 championships and he was only a few years older. Its been said that if Jr. cant win with Hendrix Motorsports, that he cant win anywhere. So far not much....we shall see.
Fleeman93
02-16-2009, 09:17 PM
As far as the accident goes, Junior wrecked Vickers purposely and I don't blame him one bit. Junior took the "I didn't try and wreck him" path because of the other cars that were taken out in the wreck. Had it just been Vickers that had wrecked then Junior would have said "oh well." I don't blame Jr because Vickers tried to block but made a late move after Jr was along side his car and in fact did run him off the track(below the line). It certainly was a dangerous move and I don't condone the act but in the heat of the moment I can't blame him.
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