Klein Oak vs Notre Dame Sherman Oaks CA

[Hitman49]

This game is now scheduled to be played as part of the Kirk Herbstreit Classic in Texas.

[SLC]

Awesome. This could be a good game or it could get real ugly real fast for Klein Oak.


Some info on this was posted last week by E-Vol-ution...

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=46519


Oak will have Andy Wilson returning, who is smallish but he's a hell of a duel threat player. Ossam is gone and that wont help, but I think Brandon McClain will develop into a good RB. Tory Waites will be the main WR with Najvar gone...I think Waites can be a stud for Wilson. Defensively they lose some players as well, but they should be fine overall, especially if they can continue to put up some big points on the board. Sherman Oaks is no slouch at all...They will be one of the top teams in the nation next season... Ryan Kasdorf is a stud at QB and Kenny Boggs is a solid RB, but where they will excell is in O line play...they will without question have one of the best O lines in the nation...some big athletic boys up front...They have a very salty defense as well.


Like I said, it could be good..or it could be ugly...Honestly I cant see Klein Oak winning this game...Sherman Oaks is just to good.

[cajun]

Who do they think they are?...Notre Dame?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF2Nd-SrIuw

[SLC]

Who do they think they are?...Notre Dame?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF2Nd-SrIuw


My guess is they could actually beat the fighting manatees too.:D

[rodjohns]

Awesome. This could be a good game or it could get real ugly real fast for Klein Oak.


Some info on this was posted last week by E-Vol-ution...

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=46519


Oak will have Andy Wilson returning, who is smallish but he's a hell of a duel threat player. Ossam is gone and that wont help, but I think Brandon McClain will develop into a good RB. Tory Waites will be the main WR with Najvar gone...I think Waites can be a stud for Wilson. Defensively they lose some players as well, but they should be fine overall, especially if they can continue to put up some big points on the board. Sherman Oaks is no slouch at all...They will be one of the top teams in the nation next season... Ryan Kasdorf is a stud at QB and Kenny Boggs is a solid RB, but where they will excell is in O line play...they will without question have one of the best O lines in the nation...some big athletic boys up front...They have a very salty defense as well.


Like I said, it could be good..or it could be ugly...Honestly I cant see Klein Oak winning this game...Sherman Oaks is just to good.

Brandon is a good athelete. I may be wrong but I think he has only played RB in one or two games during his entire High School carreer, his stats had him at about 118yds on 20 carries for the year. So to say he will be the RB at Oak is a lil premature. Being able to carry the load for the season takes more than a good game now and again. Durability is one thing that sets programs apart.

I have said over and over again the RB will be the problem at Oak this fall. Brandon is a very good option QB, Andy will be the starter though.

Gilliam is too valuable at LB so I do not see him making the switch (again). Spring game should tell us alot about positions. Any studs coming up from JV?
Williams is a decent back, not sure why he did not play more Varsity games.

[smw358]

Brandon is a good athelete. I may be wrong but I think he has only played RB in one or two games during his entire High School carreer, his stats had him at about 118yds on 20 carries for the year. So to say he will be the RB at Oak is a lil premature. Being able to carry the load for the season takes more than a good game now and again. Durability is one thing that sets programs apart.

I have said over and over again the RB will be the problem at Oak this fall. Brandon is a very good option QB, Andy will be the starter though.

Gilliam is too valuable at LB so I do not see him making the switch (again). Spring game should tell us alot about positions. Any studs coming up from JV?
Williams is a decent back, not sure why he did not play more Varsity games.

Brandon came in against Cy Creek and ran pretty good. Pretty shifty, cuts well and seems to have pretty good field vision. Creek couldn't stop em! I look for big things for Brandon this year. Starter or not. I would love to see a dual qb threat like Hales and Robinson with Wilson and McClain.

[smw358]

Awesome. This could be a good game or it could get real ugly real fast for Klein Oak.


Some info on this was posted last week by E-Vol-ution...

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=46519


Oak will have Andy Wilson returning, who is smallish but he's a hell of a duel threat player. Ossam is gone and that wont help, but I think Brandon McClain will develop into a good RB. Tory Waites will be the main WR with Najvar gone...I think Waites can be a stud for Wilson. Defensively they lose some players as well, but they should be fine overall, especially if they can continue to put up some big points on the board. Sherman Oaks is no slouch at all...They will be one of the top teams in the nation next season... Ryan Kasdorf is a stud at QB and Kenny Boggs is a solid RB, but where they will excell is in O line play...they will without question have one of the best O lines in the nation...some big athletic boys up front...They have a very salty defense as well.


Like I said, it could be good..or it could be ugly...Honestly I cant see Klein Oak winning this game...Sherman Oaks is just to good.

Ya can't beat the best.....unless ya play the best! Since losing is expected, I only see it as a great opportunity for Oak! Oakem!

[rodjohns]

Brandon came in against Cy Creek and ran pretty good. Pretty shifty, cuts well and seems to have pretty good field vision. Creek couldn't stop em! I look for big things for Brandon this year. Starter or not. I would love to see a dual qb threat like Hales and Robinson with Wilson and McClain.

Cmon now...I was with you guys talkin up Andy and Brandon...but please do not try and convince us they are the next Hales and Robinson. Oak will be lucky to get the 4th spot in District this year. Even though I am still a big fan of my Oakies, Hales and Robinson were a unique dual threat that probably will not be seen again.:notworthy

[smw358]

Brandon came in against Cy Creek and ran pretty good. Pretty shifty, cuts well and seems to have pretty good field vision. Creek couldn't stop em! I look for big things for Brandon this year. Starter or not. I would love to see a dual qb threat like Hales and Robinson with Wilson and McClain.

Cmon now...I was with you guys talkin up Andy and Brandon...but please do not try and convince us they are the next Hales and Robinson. Oak will be lucky to get the 4th spot in District this year. Even though I am still a big fan of my Oakies, Hales and Robinson were a unique dual threat that probably will not be seen again.:notworthy

Ah yes...:Hales & Robinson, unique threat but neither could throw very well. Try this added advantage of a good passing attack to go with a pretty good running game? Can you say multi-faceted offense? Sure you can. Can you say donkeystomped? As in the 4th seed "Donkey Stomped" the shell shocked Klein Bearkats.

[steeler 01]

Sherman Oaks is a very good team here in SoCal. Usually one of the top 10 teams in SoCal. They will field a very good team. I think they will be one of the top 5 teams in the Pac 5 next year. This is a very good team and representative for SoCal.

Their weakness has been their run defense. In 05 Dominguez and their double wing ran for 300+ yards and 40 points on Notre Dame. In 06 Poly ran wild on them. Last year O-lu destroyed them in the 2nd round by pounding the ball. If Klein Oaks has any chance they will have to stick to the ground. Notre Dame's offense can kill you with the run or pass, and Kasdorf can also take off. Any team that faces and beats Notre Dame will have accomplished something.

[rodjohns]

[QUOTE=rodjohns;1123462]

Ah yes...:Hales & Robinson, unique threat but neither could throw very well. Try this added advantage of a good passing attack to go with a pretty good running game? Can you say multi-faceted offense? Sure you can. Can you say donkeystomped? As in the 4th seed "Donkey Stomped" the shell shocked Klein Bearkats.

:notworthy

[Hitman49]

Sherman Oaks is a very good team here in SoCal. Usually one of the top 10 teams in SoCal. They will field a very good team. I think they will be one of the top 5 teams in the Pac 5 next year. This is a very good team and representative for SoCal.

Their weakness has been their run defense. In 05 Dominguez and their double wing ran for 300+ yards and 40 points on Notre Dame. In 06 Poly ran wild on them. Last year O-lu destroyed them in the 2nd round by pounding the ball. If Klein Oaks has any chance they will have to stick to the ground. Notre Dame's offense can kill you with the run or pass, and Kasdorf can also take off. Any team that faces and beats Notre Dame will have accomplished something.

Oak will be lucky if they are ranked in the Texas top 20. Regardless, I believe they can hang with these boys from California...

[steeler 01]

Oak will be lucky if they are ranked in the Texas top 20. Regardless, I believe they can hang with these boys from California...

Sherman Oaks Notre Dame will be a legit top 10 team in the state to open next season. If they live up to that billing is another thing.

[F18mustang]

This match up reminds me of Midland Lee/Clovis East in 05. :eek:

[SLC]

This match up reminds me of Midland Lee/Clovis East in 05. :eek:



I honestly dont expect a game that close this time. I could be wrong since it is in Texas, but I just dont see KO hanging with Sherman Oaks. SO will put some points on the board, so the only way KO can hope to win is by doing the same, but I think SO has a better, more physical defense.

[F18mustang]

I honestly dont expect a game that close this time. I could be wrong since it is in Texas, but I just dont see KO hanging with Sherman Oaks. SO will put some points on the board, so the only way KO can hope to win is by doing the same, but I think SO has a better, more physical defense.

Lee had a mediocre team that year, and CE was ranked in the top 10 in CA , you never know.

[smw358]

Sherman Oaks is a very good team here in SoCal. Usually one of the top 10 teams in SoCal. They will field a very good team. I think they will be one of the top 5 teams in the Pac 5 next year. This is a very good team and representative for SoCal.

Their weakness has been their run defense. In 05 Dominguez and their double wing ran for 300+ yards and 40 points on Notre Dame. In 06 Poly ran wild on them. Last year O-lu destroyed them in the 2nd round by pounding the ball. If Klein Oaks has any chance they will have to stick to the ground. Notre Dame's offense can kill you with the run or pass, and Kasdorf can also take off. Any team that faces and beats Notre Dame will have accomplished something.

Klein Oak's Defense will be their strongpoint this year. Offense will surprise a few people. We will surely be the underdog, but don't count out KO's speed on defense. If they shut down your running game, the qb becomes the pinata! Like I said earlier, you can't beat the best unless you play the best. I am sure our boys will welcome the opportunity.

[smw358]

Oak will be lucky if they are ranked in the Texas top 20. Regardless, I believe they can hang with these boys from California...

Heck, we weren't even in the top 50 last year. Polls are over rated....ask Trinity. Except for the meltdown with Cove last year....these boys just continue to impress me. I think according to the polls last year Wylie should have spanked Katy. I mean they barely lost to Allen who beat Trinity who ....you know....! If this game is on TV.....:eek: Smith loves showtime! :D

[twolf5]

I don't know what Klein Oak returns this year, but if they have a decent group of kids returning from last years team, they'll handle this team from California easily. Texas football is better, and that will show up in this game.

Go Oak!

[dada]

Whoa......Is Oak up to the task?


Also, I remember Klein Forset had 9 games last year and had some sort of scheduling conflict....what week was that? Maybe Katy/Forest could be a possibility.

[Legacy44]

should be a good game

[steeler 01]

Lee had a mediocre team that year, and CE was ranked in the top 10 in CA , you never know.

Clovis East was not a top 10 team in Ca that year. They were ranked as such at the time of the game, but were never really a top 10 team. They lost in the 1st round of their playoffs. Which is nowhere near as tough as the Pac 5. Notre Dame is a lot better than CE was and is.

People saying CE was a top 10 team is like me saying REL was a top 10 team in 05 when they played Colerain.

[BlakeJ]

My guess is they could actually beat the fighting manatees too.:D

Watch your mouth son!!!!

Fighting Irish will make a HUGE splash this season.

[rodjohns]

should be a good game

We are already implimenting the same workout as Oak...:D

[SLC]

Watch your mouth son!!!!

Fighting Irish will make a HUGE splash this season.


Huge manatees do make big splashes dont they?....:):ninja:

[Hitman49]

Clovis East was not a top 10 team in Ca that year. They were ranked as such at the time of the game, but were never really a top 10 team. They lost in the 1st round of their playoffs. Which is nowhere near as tough as the Pac 5. Notre Dame is a lot better than CE was and is.

People saying CE was a top 10 team is like me saying REL was a top 10 team in 05 when they played Colerain.

Steeler- Clovis East had a good team! They ended up losing two close games. For sure East was much better in California then ML was in Texas.

[steeler 01]

Steeler- Clovis East had a good team! They ended up losing two close games. For sure East was much better in California then ML was in Texas.

Who did CE play in Cali that was elite? Every year you can ask that question. If a team doesn't play in SoCal they will play at most 2 tough game during their season. Look at the top 10 final rankings for the state. Then look at where those teams are from.

1. CC(Socal-Inland Division)
2. Grant(NorCal-Sac Joaquin division Granite Bay is the only other good team, and they went down to the wire against them)
3. Poly(SoCal-Pac 5)
4. Bonaventure(Northern Division-SoCal)
5. Tesoro(SoCal-Pac 5)
6. DLS(NorCal-North Coast division)
7. Orange Lutheran(SoCal-Pac 5)
8. Sherman Oaks Notre Dame(SoCal-Pac 5)
9. Oaks Christian(SoCal-Northwestern division)
10.Chapparral(SoCal-Inland Division)

None are from the Central Section where CE plays. Its tough to lose games in their section when they play a bunch of nobodies. This year Clovis West beat Clovis East for the Central Section championship. Clovis West lost 42-0 to Corona Centennial the top team in the state.

Hell if you look up Citrus Hill H.S. you would think their good, but if you know California football you'd know differently.

[OAK2010]

Oak will show up with a running back, an elite core of recievers, a crushing defense and trust me noone works harder in the offseason than Oak.

[KOfb92]

Oak will show up with a running back, an elite core of recievers, a crushing defense and trust me noone works harder in the offseason than Oak.

HAHA I hope so.

[KO_player10]

i think that Oak will come ready to play. it all depends on how they finish their offseason and start up two days.. im sure they will get after Cy-Creek again! like they did in the second round of playoffs and the first regular season game

[smw358]

i think that Oak will come ready to play. it all depends on how they finish their offseason and start up two days.. im sure they will get after Cy-Creek again! like they did in the second round of playoffs and the first regular season game

Creek will be a handfull! Hope Oak's up for the task.

[CrusaderDidz]

I remember seeing something on this board about St. Thomas Aquinas from Ft. Lauderdale, Florida playing Dallas Skyline in 2009. Does anyone know if they are going to play?

[Hitman49]

I remember seeing something on this board about St. Thomas Aquinas from Ft. Lauderdale, Florida playing Dallas Skyline in 2009. Does anyone know if they are going to play?

That game will not work out

[Canes0177]

I remember seeing something on this board about St. Thomas Aquinas from Ft. Lauderdale, Florida playing Dallas Skyline in 2009. Does anyone know if they are going to play?

I've heard nothing about it since then.

I think it's still a toss-up between the Texas and Ohio Herbstreit for us. As far I know all the marquee Ohio teams aren't participating so that might be a factor.

We have Byrnes coming down in October so I wouldn't be in favor of scheduling a killer road game to start the season.

[LeanderLions3033]

I'm not trying to knock Klein Oak, i have alot of respect for the team as they showed class in their loss to Leander a couple years ago, and even beat Cedar Park in dramatic fashion the year before that (so i gotta love them), but seriously.....

I'm not saying that KO wont field a good team, but if i'm naming a top 10....25....even possibly top 40 or 50 teams in 5a texas football, i dunno if KO would fall under that category. If this is a top 10 cali team i see KO having a very tough time in this game.

Sure i feel that Texas high school football is the best of all, but Cali and Florida are VERY close seconds, and IMO a top 10 team in Cali is the equivelent to a top 10 team in Texas. I think the difference in the 3 states sits with those middle of the road and celler dweller teams.

[smw358]

I'm not trying to knock Klein Oak, i have alot of respect for the team as they showed class in their loss to Leander a couple years ago, and even beat Cedar Park in dramatic fashion the year before that (so i gotta love them), but seriously.....

I'm not saying that KO wont field a good team, but if i'm naming a top 10....25....even possibly top 40 or 50 teams in 5a texas football, i dunno if KO would fall under that category. If this is a top 10 cali team i see KO having a very tough time in this game.

Sure i feel that Texas high school football is the best of all, but Cali and Florida are VERY close seconds, and IMO a top 10 team in Cali is the equivelent to a top 10 team in Texas. I think the difference in the 3 states sits with those middle of the road and celler dweller teams.

We'll need and "wing and a prayer" and probably more prayer. But who wouldn't want to play in that venue against Cali's best? Smith doesn't have to bad a record playing on tv.....it's on tv right?

[KOfb92]

Oak will show up with a running back, an good core of recievers, a potentially great defense

Just fixed it for you...
I've heard Gilliam is going to RB, the oline will be surprisingly good if what I hear is going to happen, and the recievers won't be worse than last year and some of the sophomores will have more experience on the varsity level. The defense should be good on the line, at linebacker, at SS, and #1 CB...my only concern is #2 CB but someone will fill that role fine. Pass defense is always a weak spot which is bad against a QB like Kasdorf. If we can shore up that secondary things look good on the defensive side of things. The offense will be very young, so hopefully it works out.

[rodjohns]

Just fixed it for you...
I've heard Gilliam is going to RB, the oline will be surprisingly good if what I hear is going to happen, and the recievers won't be worse than last year and some of the sophomores will have more experience on the varsity level. The defense should be good on the line, at linebacker, at SS, and #1 CB...my only concern is #2 CB but someone will fill that role fine. Pass defense is always a weak spot which is bad against a QB like Kasdorf. If we can shore up that secondary things look good on the defensive side of things. The offense will be very young, so hopefully it works out.

I will believe that when I see it. He has not played RB since Freshmen year. He is too good of a LB to make that change...IMHO :D What happened to McClain at RB??

[wizenbud]

I don't know what Klein Oak returns this year, but if they have a decent group of kids returning from last years team, they'll handle this team from California easily. Texas football is better, and that will show up in this game.

Go Oak!


:notworthy:D

[CAKEETO]

Creek will be a handfull! Hope Oak's up for the task.

Creek vs. KO will be a good one. Creek wants to get the KO monkey off their back. Hopefully Creek will bring some defense this fall. The offense will definitely be there.

[KOfb92]

I will believe that when I see it. He has not played RB since Freshmen year. He is too good of a LB to make that change...IMHO :D What happened to McClain at RB??

Mcclain isn't exactly a RB, I'm pretty sure he is going to WR. BTW, I've never wanted him to run the ball. The Gilliams to RB is just an option, which may or may not happen.

[smw358]

Mcclain isn't exactly a RB, I'm pretty sure he is going to WR. BTW, I've never wanted him to run the ball. The Gilliams to RB is just an option, which may or may not happen.

Maybe he's a tiptoe artist......:confused: He seemed to run against Cy Creek pretty good in the playoffs. They didn't stop him. Why would you want to send a gifted QB that can run to WR? I would like to see him and Andy together in the backfield. Gilliams is needed on D.

[steeler 01]

I don't know what Klein Oak returns this year, but if they have a decent group of kids returning from last years team, they'll handle this team from California easily. Texas football is better, and that will show up in this game.

Go Oak!

Spoken like a knowledgeable fan.:rolleyes: Care to make a wager on the game?:D

[Hitman49]

Spoken like a knowledgeable fan.:rolleyes: Care to make a wager on the game?:D

I bet it will be good game. Don't expect ND to come in here and blow the doors off these kids. Klein Oak will have enough speed and talent to make good game of it...

Steeler, I believe this game will help prove the over all quality depth we have here in Texas. High ranking California Team against solid yet unranked Texas Team. I can't see Oak being ranked in top 20.

[11swingin']

I think everyone will be surprised by Klein Oaks overall depth this season. May not thave the flashy playmakers on offense with the departure of cook, but Oak is deep everywhere especially on the defensive side of the ball.

[rodjohns]

I think everyone will be surprised by Klein Oaks overall depth this season. May not thave the flashy playmakers on offense with the departure of cook, but Oak is deep everywhere especially on the defensive side of the ball.

c'mon now...you guys graduated a ton of Senior starters....i'm jus sayin..:D

[11swingin']

c'mon now...you guys graduated a ton of Senior starters....i'm jus sayin..:D

They've reloaded;) But seriously they have a ton of talent that just needs some fine tuning. They might stumble a bit out of the gates this season though.

[smw358]

c'mon now...you guys graduated a ton of Senior starters....i'm jus sayin..:D

Come on Rod.....we can play ya with our Freshmen.....:D

[rodjohns]

Come on Rod.....we can play ya with our Freshmen.....:D

Ok, your right...sorry, I was totaly misguided thinking Klein had any chance against the Oakies this fall..

By the way...hats off to the Oakies for a great year..Klein is gonna have to step up.

Football - All the way to the final 8...right?
Basketball - Tied Klein for last place (sorry had to throw that in there)
Baseball beat Klein 1st game. (I think we play Oak again this week)
Soccer 1st year coach still in the hunt for a state title, won 13-5A
Softball All world like 3rd in the nation..
Golf Cash Wilkerson and others kickin it...

I give the Oakies the most crap on this board but ya gotta have respect for a program that has kicked it into high gear...congrats:notworthy

[11swingin']

Ok, your right...sorry, I was totaly misguided thinking Klein had any chance against the Oakies this fall..

By the way...hats off to the Oakies for a great year..Klein is gonna have to step up.

Football - All the way to the final 8...right?
Basketball - Tied Klein for last place (sorry had to throw that in there)
Baseball beat Klein 1st game. (I think we play Oak again this week)
Soccer 1st year coach still in the hunt for a state title, won 13-5A
Softball All world like 3rd in the nation..
Golf Cash Wilkerson and others kickin it...

I give the Oakies the most crap on this board but ya gotta have respect for a program that has kicked it into high gear...congrats:notworthy

As far as track and field goes xavier boyd is the main attraction in 13-5a. One of the best track guys in the state. Why wasn't he used more on the gridiron? Questionable hands maybe?

[rodjohns]

As far as track and field goes xavier boyd is the main attraction in 13-5a. One of the best track guys in the state. Why wasn't he used more on the gridiron? Questionable hands maybe?

X was our kickoff returner with Dakota, he played mostly wideout. I am 99% sure he was offered full ride in track at UCLA so I think they held back on Football. He played no Defense for that reason. He missed our 7 on 7 season last summer because of track.

[11swingin']

X was our kickoff returner with Dakota, he played mostly wideout. I am 99% sure he was offered full ride in track at UCLA so I think they held back on Football. He played no Defense for that reason. He missed our 7 on 7 season last summer because of track.

I think he has offers from UCLA, A&M and SFA. Kid has maybe an ounce of fat on his whole body.

[smw358]

Ok, your right...sorry, I was totaly misguided thinking Klein had any chance against the Oakies this fall..

By the way...hats off to the Oakies for a great year..Klein is gonna have to step up.

Football - All the way to the final 8...right?
Basketball - Tied Klein for last place (sorry had to throw that in there)
Baseball beat Klein 1st game. (I think we play Oak again this week)
Soccer 1st year coach still in the hunt for a state title, won 13-5A
Softball All world like 3rd in the nation..
Golf Cash Wilkerson and others kickin it...

I give the Oakies the most crap on this board but ya gotta have respect for a program that has kicked it into high gear...congrats:notworthy

Yep, the basketball gods have not favored either Oak or Klein.....but went and watched Oak's soccer boys kick butt this weekend in Georgetown. Had to beat The Woodlands and the refs. Hope they do it again against Brownsville Lopez.

[rodjohns]

Yep, the basketball gods have not favored either Oak or Klein.....but went and watched Oak's soccer boys kick butt this weekend in Georgetown. Had to beat The Woodlands and the refs. Hope they do it again against Brownsville Lopez.

Good luck against Brownsville. All of the Klein Soccer faithfull were shocked at the loss agaisnt Cy Falls. Klein has a very long tradition of being the best in the District and going way deep in the playoffs. Same with Baseball.

Oak is kickin booty this year.

I have no comment on the the Basketball program at Klein...I have to be very selective and careful of who I piss off..:D

[steeler 01]

I bet it will be good game. Don't expect ND to come in here and blow the doors off these kids. Klein Oak will have enough speed and talent to make good game of it...

Steeler, I believe this game will help prove the over all quality depth we have here in Texas. High ranking California Team against solid yet unranked Texas Team. I can't see Oak being ranked in top 20.

You mean like last year when a Clovis East team that wasn't ranked in the top 40 in Cali played a team from Texas(Colleyville Heritage)in Texas, that was ranked in almost every poll in Texas in the top 20 to a tough 4th quarter game? You mean that kind of depth?

[smw358]

You mean like last year when a Clovis East team that wasn't ranked in the top 40 in Cali played a team from Texas(Colleyville Heritage)in Texas, that was ranked in almost every poll in Texas in the top 20 to a tough 4th quarter game? You mean that kind of depth?

Rankings are overrated.....Klein Oak I am sure looks forward to playing a high caliber team from any location. ;)

[steeler 01]

Rankings are overrated.....Klein Oak I am sure looks forward to playing a high caliber team from any location. ;)

I agree, but Hitman tries to make a claim about superiority every time a Texas team takes on a team from Cali or Florida. Instead of focusing on the game.

[smw358]

I agree, but Hitman tries to make a claim about superiority every time a Texas team takes on a team from Cali or Florida. Instead of focusing on the game.

Never having seen Sherman Oaks play and not knowing the history of
the school ....pretty silly to make those remarks. I am sure Coach Smith
would not have agreed to this meeting without knowing if it was a good fit for Klein Oak. Likewise for Sherman Oaks. Look forward to the competition. ;)

[Hitman49]

I agree, but Hitman tries to make a claim about superiority every time a Texas team takes on a team from Cali or Florida. Instead of focusing on the game.

Steeler- The quality depth of Texas High School football is what makes it so exciting here in Texas.

Let's talk about Colleyville Hertiage. Here is what they beat

3-7 Irving Mac
1-9 Plano East
3-7 Fossil Ridge
6-5 Northwest
3-7 Keller Central
7-3 Keller
0-10 Grapevine
???? LD Bell
???? Clovis East
Lost first round of Playoffs 31-7 against SLC who finished like 9-3 or close to it.

Colleyville Heritage fits into the quality depth thing that I brag about. However, they are way down the line. I figured it would be good game, knowing that CE runs the double Wing and they have been doing it well for several years. Clovis East has many more skins on the wall in California then does Colleyville Heritage in Texas.

[Hitman49]

Steeler- Let's talk quality depth of teams. I hope others with different examples of quality depth reply to this.

Here is one example of quality depth

State Champion 5A- Div 2 Katy 13-3 record (2nd place district)

Note worthy wins: 31-6 vs Cypress Bay FL (11-2) lost in 2nd round of florida 6A playoffs. They had beat this team the week after Katy. Both games were very close.

17-15 vs FM Marcus (5-6)

records of teams faced in Playoffs 5-4 H. Statford, 7-3 Humble, 9-3 Dickinson, 8-5 La Porte, 13-2 Smithson Valley, 13-3 Wylie for state title

Loses: N. Shore 6-10- NorthShore finished 9-1
The Woodlands (9-2) 0-47- TWL lost at home to (7-5 ) Lufkin;
Lufkin lost games to Mesquite 5-5 and Conroe 6-4
The Woodland lost 2nd Round 21-7 Round Rock Stony Point (13-2)
Cinco Ranch 21-27 for district championship (katy finished 2nd)
Cinco Ranch lost to SLC (8-3) early in the season 24-42
Katy Beat one team that won district champion (Smithson Valley 13-2) and they finished tied for 1st.

Katy did not face any of the teams that beat them because they all went 5A Div 1 in the playoffs and all got beat early.

Lets look at Allen 15-1 5A Div 1 Champ (District champ)

Only Loss- Trinity 14-24 (Trinity beat best team in LA John Curtis)

Beat Longview 21-7 in tough game, Longview lost in 4A state championship.
Longview killed ECA LA top 5 team in LA)
Look at some of the playoff scores for Longview. (Texas quality depth has several more 4A teams.

Playoff wins for Allen (7-4) S.Grand Prairie 27-14
(12-1) Odessa Permian 28-22
(13-1) Trinity 34-21
(13-2) RR Stony Point 23-21
?? FB Hightower 21-14

I could keep going and going. Take notice that 5A Div 1 was much stronger this year than was Div 2. (not always this way)

look at all the competition that was pointed out here and that is not even close to the end of the story...

[steeler 01]

Steeler- The quality depth of Texas High School football is what makes it so exciting here in Texas.

Let's talk about Colleyville Hertiage. Here is what they beat

3-7 Irving Mac
1-9 Plano East
3-7 Fossil Ridge
6-5 Northwest
3-7 Keller Central
7-3 Keller
0-10 Grapevine
???? LD Bell
???? Clovis East
Lost first round of Playoffs 31-7 against SLC who finished like 9-3 or close to it.

Colleyville Heritage fits into the quality depth thing that I brag about. However, they are way down the line. I figured it would be good game, knowing that CE runs the double Wing and they have been doing it well for several years. Clovis East has many more skins on the wall in California then does Colleyville Heritage in Texas.

What does Clovis East history have to do with last years team?

[steeler 01]

Steeler- Let's talk quality depth of teams. I hope others with different examples of quality depth reply to this.

Here is one example of quality depth

State Champion 5A- Div 2 Katy 13-3 record (2nd place district)

Note worthy wins: 31-6 vs Cypress Bay FL (11-2) lost in 2nd round of florida 6A playoffs. They had beat this team the week after Katy. Both games were very close.

17-15 vs FM Marcus (5-6)

records of teams faced in Playoffs 5-4 H. Statford, 7-3 Humble, 9-3 Dickinson, 8-5 La Porte, 13-2 Smithson Valley, 13-3 Wylie for state title

Loses: N. Shore 6-10- NorthShore finished 9-1
The Woodlands (9-2) 0-47- TWL lost at home to (7-5 ) Lufkin;
Lufkin lost games to Mesquite 5-5 and Conroe 6-4
The Woodland lost 2nd Round 21-7 Round Rock Stony Point (13-2)
Cinco Ranch 21-27 for district championship (katy finished 2nd)
Cinco Ranch lost to SLC (8-3) early in the season 24-42
Katy Beat one team that won district champion (Smithson Valley 13-2) and they finished tied for 1st.

Katy did not face any of the teams that beat them because they all went 5A Div 1 in the playoffs and all got beat early.

Lets look at Allen 15-1 5A Div 1 Champ (District champ)

Only Loss- Trinity 14-24 (Trinity beat best team in LA John Curtis)

Beat Longview 21-7 in tough game, Longview lost in 4A state championship.
Longview killed ECA LA top 5 team in LA)
Look at some of the playoff scores for Longview. (Texas quality depth has several more 4A teams.

Playoff wins for Allen (7-4) S.Grand Prairie 27-14
(12-1) Odessa Permian 28-22
(13-1) Trinity 34-21
(13-2) RR Stony Point 23-21
?? FB Hightower 21-14

I could keep going and going. Take notice that 5A Div 1 was much stronger this year than was Div 2. (not always this way)

look at all the competition that was pointed out here and that is not even close to the end of the story...

You can do a link like that for any state. Hell you can do it for college football. I can make a link for some ****** school to beat a division 1 power.

2008 college football

Adams St beat
Mesa St who beat
Colorado Mines who beat
Fort Hays St who beat
Washburn who beat
Missouri St who beat
Youngstown St who beat
North Dakota St who beat
Southern Illinois who beat
Northern Iowa who beat
New Hampshire who beat
Army who beat
Louisiana Tech who beat
Mississippi St who beat
Vanderbilt who beat
Mississippi who beat
Florida


I guess Adam State is as good as Florida.;)

[Canes0177]

Steeler- Let's talk quality depth of teams. I hope others with different examples of quality depth reply to this.

Here is one example of quality depth

State Champion 5A- Div 2 Katy 13-3 record (2nd place district)

Note worthy wins: 31-6 vs Cypress Bay FL (11-2) lost in 2nd round of florida 6A playoffs. They had beat this team the week after Katy. Both games were very close.

17-15 vs FM Marcus (5-6)

records of teams faced in Playoffs 5-4 H. Statford, 7-3 Humble, 9-3 Dickinson, 8-5 La Porte, 13-2 Smithson Valley, 13-3 Wylie for state title

Loses: N. Shore 6-10- NorthShore finished 9-1
The Woodlands (9-2) 0-47- TWL lost at home to (7-5 ) Lufkin;
Lufkin lost games to Mesquite 5-5 and Conroe 6-4
The Woodland lost 2nd Round 21-7 Round Rock Stony Point (13-2)
Cinco Ranch 21-27 for district championship (katy finished 2nd)
Cinco Ranch lost to SLC (8-3) early in the season 24-42
Katy Beat one team that won district champion (Smithson Valley 13-2) and they finished tied for 1st.

Katy did not face any of the teams that beat them because they all went 5A Div 1 in the playoffs and all got beat early.

Lets look at Allen 15-1 5A Div 1 Champ (District champ)

Only Loss- Trinity 14-24 (Trinity beat best team in LA John Curtis)

Beat Longview 21-7 in tough game, Longview lost in 4A state championship.
Longview killed ECA LA top 5 team in LA)
Look at some of the playoff scores for Longview. (Texas quality depth has several more 4A teams.

Playoff wins for Allen (7-4) S.Grand Prairie 27-14
(12-1) Odessa Permian 28-22
(13-1) Trinity 34-21
(13-2) RR Stony Point 23-21
?? FB Hightower 21-14

I could keep going and going. Take notice that 5A Div 1 was much stronger this year than was Div 2. (not always this way)

look at all the competition that was pointed out here and that is not even close to the end of the story...

Cypress Bay was 10-2. Katy beat Marcus 17-14.

It's these simple things that escape you, Hitman.

[Hitman49]

Steeler & Cane,

What State is deeper with quality teams? Why?

[steeler 01]

Steeler & Cane,

What State is deeper with quality teams? Why?

In any given year Cali, Texas and Florida are interchangeable in terms of who has the better 10-20 teams between each other. Cali and Texas are more likely to have more quality teams because of the number of people and teams in each state, but at the top theirs no difference. You may think you're 200th team is better than Cali or Florida's 200th best team, but does that really matter?

[Hitman49]

In any given year Cali, Texas and Florida are interchangeable in terms of who has the better 10-20 teams between each other. Cali and Texas are more likely to have more quality teams because of the number of people and teams in each state, but at the top theirs no difference. You may think you're 200th team is better than Cali or Florida's 200th best team, but does that really matter?

I have always said at the top 1-5 it is close between Texas, Cali, Florida and maybe some more states. I believe after that 6-50 Texas is much stronger.

[E-Vol-ution]

Agreed! Florida will field perhaps 4 really good teams, Cali may have up to 7........................
I have always said at the top 1-5 it is close between Texas, Cali, Florida and maybe some more states. I believe after that 6-50 Texas is much stronger.

[steeler 01]

I have always said at the top 1-5 it is close between Texas, Cali, Florida and maybe some more states. I believe after that 6-50 Texas is much stronger.

Agreed! Florida will field perhaps 4 really good teams, Cali may have up to 7........................

If you think Cali only fields 7 real good teams you need to watch more football in Cali. The southern section alone has 15-20 teams that play football at a very high level. Then if you branch off to the other parts of the state you can find 10-20 other good programs that will field good teams. Last year we had these teams that were very good, and could play with any team in the nation IMO.

1st tier

Poly
Tesoro
CC
Grant
Oaks
Bonnie
Notre Dame
Orange Lutheran
DLS
Chapparal
Lakewood

2nd tier

Saugus
Mission Viejo
Granite Bay
Servite
Mater Dei
Bellarmine Prep
Rancho Cucamonga
Edison
Esperanza
Upland
Norco
Moorpark
Oceanside

Hitman doesn't know **** about Cali or Florida football.

[E-Vol-ution]

Poly, Tesoro, Bonnie, Oaks (This year), Grant (last year), DLS, CC (slightly overrated but pretty good).
Second tier would get the teams you have listed in first tier I didn't mention. In second tier, many of those teams are kings in a pond and play horrible teams (i.e. Oceanside). Of course this is only my opinion.....those second tier teams wouldn't be mentioned in Texas. They would be respectable....... If you think Cali only fields 7 real good teams you need to watch more football in Cali. The southern section alone has 15-20 teams that play football at a very high level. Then if you branch off to the other parts of the state you can find 10-20 other good programs that will field good teams. Last year we had these teams that were very good, and could play with any team in the nation IMO.

1st tier

Poly
Tesoro
CC
Grant
Oaks
Bonnie
Notre Dame
Orange Lutheran
DLS
Chapparal
Lakewood

2nd tier

Saugus
Mission Viejo
Granite Bay
Servite
Mater Dei
Bellarmine Prep
Rancho Cucamonga
Edison
Esperanza
Upland
Norco
Moorpark
Oceanside

Hitman doesn't know **** about Cali or Florida football.

[steeler 01]

Poly, Tesoro, Bonnie, Oaks (This year), Grant (last year), DLS, CC (slightly overrated but pretty good).
Second tier would get the teams you have listed in first tier I didn't mention. In second tier, many of those teams are kings in a pond and play horrible teams (i.e. Oceanside). Of course this is only my opinion.....those second tier teams wouldn't be mentioned in Texas. They would be respectable.......

The 2nd tier teams would do good in Texas. You have no idea.

[Hitman49]

If you think Cali only fields 7 real good teams you need to watch more football in Cali. The southern section alone has 15-20 teams that play football at a very high level. Then if you branch off to the other parts of the state you can find 10-20 other good programs that will field good teams. Last year we had these teams that were very good, and could play with any team in the nation IMO.

1st tier

Poly
Tesoro
CC
Grant
Oaks
Bonnie
Notre Dame
Orange Lutheran
DLS
Chapparal
Lakewood

2nd tier

Saugus
Mission Viejo
Granite Bay
Servite
Mater Dei
Bellarmine Prep
Rancho Cucamonga
Edison
Esperanza
Upland
Norco
Moorpark
Oceanside

Hitman doesn't know **** about Cali or Florida football.

Watch your mouth! You don't have a clue of what I know and don't know!!

Glad to see you have Notre Dame in the top tier! Now watch what I tell you. Klein Oak will be one of the best teams they face all year!!

I am looking more forward to the game between Klein Oak and ND.

[Hitman49]

What does Clovis East history have to do with last years team?

It means year in and year out Clovis East wins more in California then does Colleyville Hertiage in Texas. Do you understand now???

[E-Vol-ution]

If I had no idea then I would have agreed with you when you stated Notre Dame was one of the top tier teams in California. There's that possibility this year. The other teams play very weak teams and bow out in playoffs. Due to the playoff system selection in California, those teams play creampuffs....you know it or are in denial. You'll get a chance to eat goat this year....I won't rub it in much.:)The 2nd tier teams would do good in Texas. You have no idea.

[11swingin']

Poly, Tesoro, Bonnie, Oaks (This year), Grant (last year), DLS, CC (slightly overrated but pretty good).
Second tier would get the teams you have listed in first tier I didn't mention. In second tier, many of those teams are kings in a pond and play horrible teams (i.e. Oceanside). Of course this is only my opinion.....those second tier teams wouldn't be mentioned in Texas. They would be respectable.......

Poly, Oaks, Mater Dei, Edison DLS all i know are very good programs. I would say Poly is not overated in the least bit. Probably have the most team speed of anyone in the Nation year in and year out IMO. They've sent over 79 players to the NFL i wanna say... Notables being desean jackson, willie mcginest, mercedes lewis, sammie parker and darnell bing.

[Hitman49]

Poly, Oaks, Mater Dei, Edison DLS all i know are very good programs. I would say Poly is not overated in the least bit. Probably have the most team speed of anyone in the Nation year in and year out IMO. They've sent over 79 players to the NFL i wanna say... Notables being desean jackson, willie mcginest, mercedes lewis, sammie parker and darnell bing.

I would put any of these teams from DFW against that list. I am sure there is more, just too tired.

Allen
Trinity
SLC
Plano
Cedar Hill
Arlington Bowie
Desoto
Duncanville
Lewisville Hebron
Garland

[steeler 01]

If you think Cali only fields 7 real good teams you need to watch more football in Cali. The southern section alone has 15-20 teams that play football at a very high level. Then if you branch off to the other parts of the state you can find 10-20 other good programs that will field good teams. Last year we had these teams that were very good, and could play with any team in the nation IMO.

1st tier

Poly
Tesoro
CC
Grant
Oaks
Bonnie
Notre Dame
Orange Lutheran
DLS
Chapparal
Lakewood

2nd tier

Saugus
Mission Viejo
Granite Bay
Servite
Mater Dei
Bellarmine Prep
Rancho Cucamonga
Edison
Esperanza
Upland
Norco
Moorpark
Oceanside

Hitman doesn't know **** about Cali or Florida football.



If I had no idea then I would have agreed with you when you stated Notre Dame was one of the top tier teams in California. There's that possibility this year. The other teams play very weak teams and bow out in playoffs. Due to the playoff system selection in California, those teams play creampuffs....you know it or are in denial. You'll get a chance to eat goat this year....I won't rub it in much.:)
Esperanza, Moorpark, Norco, Edison, Mission Viejo, Saugus, and Mater Dei play in tough sections. Espy, Edison, Mission Viejo and Mater Dei play in the Pac 5. I don't know where you got these teams play in small ponds from. You should do some research on Cali football before spouting off at the mouth.

[steeler 01]

Watch your mouth! You don't have a clue of what I know and don't know!!

Glad to see you have Notre Dame in the top tier! Now watch what I tell you. Klein Oak will be one of the best teams they face all year!!

I am looking more forward to the game between Klein Oak and ND.

Klein Oaks won't be one of the best teams Notre Dame faces unless their a championship caliber team this year. Notre Dame could face Orange Lutheran, Poly, Servite, Mater Dei, Edison, Lakewood etc......In the playoffs. All of which would certainly contend in any state in the nation for a title.

You care to make a wager on the S.O.N.D. game?

[steeler 01]

It means year in and year out Clovis East wins more in California then does Colleyville Hertiage in Texas. Do you understand now???

Clovis East last year barely beat a 5-6 team in Redlands from the Inland division.

Clovis East vs Collyville Heritage 26-41 Heritage Won
Clovis East vs Redlands 5-6 Citrus Belt (Southern) Inland (II) Won, 21-13
Clovis East vs Clovis West 14-19 Loss
Clovis East vs Clovis West 7-24 Loss
Clovis West vs Servite(7-4)3rd place in the Trinity Pac 5 21-35 Servite Win
Clovis West vs Corona Centennial 0-42 Corona Centennial win


The top Pac 5 teams can play with anyone in the nation. Their records aren't as sexy as other sections in Cali, because they beat up on each other.

[E-Vol-ution]

There's no "D" in Moorpark (St. Bonnie's rolled them like fat girl). Edison (just got past Sanger, my God), Newport Harbor, Saugus....they wouldn't stand a chance.....Mater Dei (best be talking basketball). There's a dramatic falloff after those 7 top teams. While they are respectable (second tier), they would not stand a chance here measuring against most of our first rounders in the playoffs. Hopefully that time will come where we play for you to get a better measure.
LOL @ Espy.....they can barely beat Marina Beach and Santiago.
Esperanza, Moorpark, Norco, Edison, Mission Viejo, Saugus, and Mater Dei play in tough sections. Espy, Edison, Mission Viejo and Mater Dei play in the Pac 5. I don't know where you got these teams play in small ponds from. You should do some research on Cali football before spouting off at the mouth.

[Hitman49]

Clovis East last year barely beat a 5-6 team in Redlands from the Inland division.

Clovis East vs Collyville Heritage 26-41 Heritage Won
Clovis East vs Redlands 5-6 Citrus Belt (Southern) Inland (II) Won, 21-13
Clovis East vs Clovis West 14-19 Loss
Clovis East vs Clovis West 7-24 Loss
Clovis West vs Servite(7-4)3rd place in the Trinity Pac 5 21-35 Servite Win
Clovis West vs Corona Centennial 0-42 Corona Centennial win


The top Pac 5 teams can play with anyone in the nation. Their records aren't as sexy as other sections in Cali, because they beat up on each other.

#1 it was the first game of the season for both CE and Heritage. Going into the game I realized CE had big advantage with the fact that they run the double wing and knowing that Heritage is just very average. Heritage had to overcome several early mistakes in the game. They did end up getting the 2 TD win...

Heritage was beat by (8-3) SLC 31-7, Who had been beat by (8-4) Coppell, (8-4) Lewisville Hebron 44-28, and Cedar Hill 31-18

Cedar Hill was beat 31-21 by Wylie-- Wylie then was beat by Katy- who lost games to NorthShore, The Woodlands, and Katy Cinco Ranch (None of these won state) Just good Texas Football. I could keep going.

Hell Coppell who beat SLC- lost to Highland Park(4A)
Cedar Hill had to play 4 qts at home to beat Wichita Falls Rider(4A) who lost like 4 games. I could just keep going-

Quality Depth = Best High School Football State

[steeler 01]

There's no "D" in Moorpark (St. Bonnie's rolled them like fat girl). Edison (just got past Sanger, my God), Newport Harbor, Saugus....they wouldn't stand a chance.....Mater Dei (best be talking basketball). There's a dramatic falloff after those 7 top teams. While they are respectable (second tier), they would not stand a chance here measuring against most of our first rounders in the playoffs. Hopefully that time will come where we play for you to get a better measure.
LOL @ Espy.....they can barely beat Marina Beach and Santiago.

LMAO........... Like Plano had a defense(56-23 Allen):rolleyes: Katy just got past Marcus(Its funny you looked up the wrong Edison on Calpreps LMAO. I was talking about Huntington Beach Edison not Fresno Edison.). I could go on. You obviously are a homer who doesn't know nothing about Cali football.

I posted 11 teams that were top tier yet you keep mentioning 7. Name the 7 teams that you think were elite and knock off the other teams.


Poly
Tesoro
CC
Grant
Oaks
Bonnie
Notre Dame
Orange Lutheran
DLS
Chapparal
Lakewood

There's the 11 now remove the ones you think don't belong there. I'm sure you didn't see, Lakewood, Chappy, Oaks, or Notre Dame last year though.


Food for thought.


Poly playoff route.

Poly (Long Beach, CA) 17
Esperanza (Anaheim, CA) 10

Poly (Long Beach, CA) 20
Lakewood (CA) 10

Poly (Long Beach, CA) 20
Tesoro (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) 17

Tesoro vs Mater Dei(LMAO@basketball school)

Tesoro (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) 38
Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) 35

[E-Vol-ution]

Big difference between Allen putting points up on Plano and teams like Marina playing competitive games against someone you think of as a top Cali team. Some of the teams you posted had 4 to 5 losses with many losses to less than average teams........Aren't you embarrassed that your home team Cal-preps rankings shows all of these guys win-loss records and their opponent's also? You shouldn't have went there....lolLMAO........... Like Plano had a defense(56-23 Allen):rolleyes: Katy just got past Marcus. I could go on. You obviously are a homer who doesn't know nothing about Cali football.

[steeler 01]

Big difference between Allen putting points up on Plano and teams like Marina playing competitive games against someone you think of as a top Cali team. Some of the teams you posted had 4 to 5 losses with many losses to less than average teams........Aren't you embarrassed that your home team Cal-preps rankings shows all of these guys win-loss records and their opponent's also? You shouldn't have went there....lol

Bonnie is the team that put the big number on Moorpark and Bonnie was rated a top 5 team in the state. So again you show you're lack of knowledge.

As far as a team like Marina playing a team close. Sometimes teams get overlooked and the better teams play bad. Hell in 05 SLC was down to Grapevine or last year Trinity played a 7 point game with Keller or Katy won by 3 against Marcus. I understand though when a bottom team from Texas plays a giant close, it shows the depth in Texas, but when another team from another state plays a bottom dweller close it says they suck. I see you're logic.:rolleyes:

[Hitman49]

Bonnie is the team that put the big number on Moorpark and Bonnie was rated a top 5 team in the state. So again you show you're lack of knowledge.

As far as a team like Marina playing a team close. Sometimes teams get overlooked and the better teams play bad. Hell in 05 SLC was down to Grapevine or last year Trinity played a 7 point game with Keller or Katy won by 3 against Marcus. I understand though when a bottom team from Texas plays a giant close, it shows the depth in Texas, but when another team from another state plays a bottom dweller close it says they suck. I see you're logic.:rolleyes:

Big Big Difference, Texas schools at the bottom would be well above average in Cal. The difference we have so many teams or programs in this state with some of the best dedicated coaches and administration.

I would be just as confident if Flower Mound Marcus was playing Notre Dame. Either way Flower Mound Marcus, Klein Oak, and many other teams would give these guys great game. If Notre Dame is really good then they should win the game. My bet is that Klein Oak will play ND close with chance to win in the 4th.

Katy will roll against Bellevue!!

[Hitman49]

Bonnie is the team that put the big number on Moorpark and Bonnie was rated a top 5 team in the state. So again you show you're lack of knowledge.

As far as a team like Marina playing a team close. Sometimes teams get overlooked and the better teams play bad. Hell in 05 SLC was down to Grapevine or last year Trinity played a 7 point game with Keller or Katy won by 3 against Marcus. I understand though when a bottom team from Texas plays a giant close, it shows the depth in Texas, but when another team from another state plays a bottom dweller close it says they suck. I see you're logic.:rolleyes:

I believe that Grapevine team had a guy named Henry Melton who at the time was a beast at RB. ( 6-3 260) Had UT kept his weight down he could have been great college back. He has good chance to make NFL this year as DE. Seen his highlight films while in HS and big Henry could run with the best.

[steeler 01]

Big Big Difference, Texas schools at the bottom would be well above average in Cal. The difference we have so many teams or programs in this state with some of the best dedicated coaches and administration.

I would be just as confident if Flower Mound Marcus was playing Notre Dame. Either way Flower Mound Marcus, Klein Oak, and many other teams would give these guys great game. If Notre Dame is really good then they should win the game. My bet is that Klein Oak will play ND close with chance to win in the 4th.

Katy will roll against Bellevue!!

Thats you're opinion not a fact. Just like you thought SLC would blow out MNW. It was you're opinion and it was way off. Thing is no one will ever know what state is deeper since 5-5 teams playing each other means nothing overall.


I'll give Klein 10 points. Do you care to make a wager?

[steeler 01]

I believe that Grapevine team had a guy named Henry Melton who at the time was a beast at RB. ( 6-3 260) Had UT kept his weight down he could have been great college back. He has good chance to make NFL this year as DE. Seen his highlight films while in HS and big Henry could run with the best.

You would be wrong. Henry Melton was a senior in 04.

[Hitman49]

You would be wrong. Henry Melton was a senior in 04.

Regardless, they are rivals with stadiums just down the street from one another. Grapevine has had some top quality teams in the past back to back state championships 4A.

[11swingin']

I would put any of these teams from DFW against that list. I am sure there is more, just too tired.

Allen
Trinity
SLC
Plano
Cedar Hill
Arlington Bowie
Desoto
Duncanville
Lewisville Hebron
Garland

I highly doubt any of those schools have sent nearly 80 athletes to the NFL

[steeler 01]

Regardless, they are rivals with stadiums just down the street from one another. Grapevine has had some top quality teams in the past back to back state championships 4A.

The past means nothing. They sucked in 05. Them being rivals didn't help them in any other year except the year you're trying to exclude.:rolleyes:


07 Carroll vs Grapevine 49-21 Carroll (W)
06 Carroll vs Grapvine 45-7 Carroll (W)
05 Carroll vs Grapevine 28-23 Carroll (W)
04 Carroll vs Grapevine 61-26 Carroll (W)

[steeler 01]

I would put any of these teams from DFW against that list. I am sure there is more, just too tired.

Allen
Trinity
SLC
Plano
Cedar Hill
Arlington Bowie
Desoto
Duncanville
Lewisville Hebron
Garland


I highly doubt any of those schools have sent nearly 80 athletes to the NFL

No one has sent more players to the NFL than Poly. They have more than any team in the country by 20 at least(The number might have increased this past year), but telling a delusional homer like Hitman anything that doesn't have a Texas team number one doesn't register with him.

[E-Vol-ution]

You know Marina was awful and Moorpark, Oceanside teams were props........lol. Make the excuses, but clean them up too. Those second tier teams you name wouldn't make it here as second tier. Some of the top names after the first seven you claim are tops would lose to our second tier teams. The top teams there can play with our top teams....then there is the fall-off. I'm far from slamming Cali Ball........sure Poly has more pros than anybody.........but those dudes sure don't come from the neighborhood.....so please......we're just different in that aspect.Bonnie is the team that put the big number on Moorpark and Bonnie was rated a top 5 team in the state. So again you show you're lack of knowledge.

As far as a team like Marina playing a team close. Sometimes teams get overlooked and the better teams play bad. Hell in 05 SLC was down to Grapevine or last year Trinity played a 7 point game with Keller or Katy won by 3 against Marcus. I understand though when a bottom team from Texas plays a giant close, it shows the depth in Texas, but when another team from another state plays a bottom dweller close it says they suck. I see you're logic.:rolleyes:

[steeler 01]

You know Marina was awful and Moorpark, Oceanside teams were props........lol. Make the excuses, but clean them up too. Those second tier teams you name wouldn't make it here as second tier. Some of the top names after the first seven you claim are tops would lose to our second tier teams. The top teams there can play with our top teams....then there is the fall-off. I'm far from slamming Cali Ball........sure Poly has more pros than anybody.........but those dudes sure don't come from the neighborhood.....so please......we're just different in that aspect.

Was Grapevine awful? Some of you're first tier teams would lose to those 2nd tier teams to. Of course in you're myopic world that wouldn't happen.:rolleyes:
You're entire argument is based on you're beliefs that hold no merit.

[E-Vol-ution]

Look, I'm not slamming Notre Dame in this contest. This should be one of their best teams.........but I like Klein Oak's chances at the same time.
Regarding Grapevine, they are not a pillar of powerhouse football, but they did put out a pretty tough team the year you speak of. What is a given is that a Texas team can come from nowhere and beat the best or raise eyebrows as a dominant team......for example; Stony Point Round Rock. You don't want to mess with those boys. They made the entire state of Texas respect them just last year. Can a team like Narbonne do that in Cali?
It's just a fact we have more very good teams here. You should not take that as an insult.
You'd say we have some pretty deep teams here if KO beats up Notre Dame right? I'd say that for sure......but I'd be surprised if they did.Was Grapevine awful? Some of you're first tier teams would lose to those 2nd tier teams to. Of course in you're myopic world that wouldn't happen.:rolleyes:
You're entire argument is based on you're beliefs that hold no merit.

[steeler 01]

Look, I'm not slamming Notre Dame in this contest. This should be one of their best teams.........but I like Klein Oak's chances at the same time.
Regarding Grapevine, they are not a pillar of powerhouse football, but they did put out a pretty tough team the year you speak of. What is a given is that a Texas team can come from nowhere and beat the best or raise eyebrows as a dominant team......for example; Stony Point Round Rock. You don't want to mess with those boys. They made the entire state of Texas respect them just last year. Can a team like Narbonne do that in Cali?
It's just a fact we have more very good teams here. You should not take that as an insult.
You'd say we have some pretty deep teams here if KO beats up Notre Dame right? I'd say that for sure......but I'd be surprised if they did.

Grapevine was a 6-4 team that didn't make the playoffs. Since when is that tough? Plenty of teams in different states come out of nowhere. Look at Grant in Cali this last year.;)

[Hitman49]

Look, I'm not slamming Notre Dame in this contest. This should be one of their best teams.........but I like Klein Oak's chances at the same time.
Regarding Grapevine, they are not a pillar of powerhouse football, but they did put out a pretty tough team the year you speak of. What is a given is that a Texas team can come from nowhere and beat the best or raise eyebrows as a dominant team......for example; Stony Point Round Rock. You don't want to mess with those boys. They made the entire state of Texas respect them just last year. Can a team like Narbonne do that in Cali?
It's just a fact we have more very good teams here. You should not take that as an insult.
You'd say we have some pretty deep teams here if KO beats up Notre Dame right? I'd say that for sure......but I'd be surprised if they did.

This is the GOSPEL! Great Job...

[Canes0177]

Steeler & Cane,

What State is deeper with quality teams? Why?

What makes me qualified to answer that?

I know what the PERCEPTION is. The squeaky wheel gets the oil and nobody is better at talking a big game than Texas.

[Hitman49]

Grapevine was a 6-4 team that didn't make the playoffs. Since when is that tough? Plenty of teams in different states come out of nowhere. Look at Grant in Cali this last year.;)

Did Grant really come out of nowhere? I saw them several years back on TV and I thought highly of them. Didn't they go undefeated? I would like to see them and Trinity go at it.

In my opinion Texas 5A produces many teams with 3-4-5 loses that play high quality HS Football. Hell Katy got beat 3 times in the first 10 games.










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[Hitman49]

LMAO........... Like Plano had a defense(56-23 Allen):rolleyes: Katy just got past Marcus(Its funny you looked up the wrong Edison on Calpreps LMAO. I was talking about Huntington Beach Edison not Fresno Edison.). I could go on. You obviously are a homer who doesn't know nothing about Cali football.

I posted 11 teams that were top tier yet you keep mentioning 7. Name the 7 teams that you think were elite and knock off the other teams.


Poly
Tesoro
CC
Grant
Oaks
Bonnie
Notre Dame
Orange Lutheran
DLS
Chapparal
Lakewood

There's the 11 now remove the ones you think don't belong there. I'm sure you didn't see, Lakewood, Chappy, Oaks, or Notre Dame last year though.


Food for thought.


Poly playoff route.

Poly (Long Beach, CA) 17
Esperanza (Anaheim, CA) 10

Poly (Long Beach, CA) 20
Lakewood (CA) 10

Poly (Long Beach, CA) 20
Tesoro (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) 17

Tesoro vs Mater Dei(LMAO@basketball school)

Tesoro (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) 38
Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) 35

I have watched games involving Oaks several time over the last several years. The best Team that I have seen in Cal the last several years has been Grant like two years ago. They should challenge in Cal every year if they have good coaching with the type of athletes they have on the field.

I have never been overly excited about DLS or MD two schools that have spent a lot of time in the past ranked #1 in Cal and sometime the nation. Just nothing we don't see here by multiple teams...Then DLS gets beat by Bellevue! I watch them beat Evangel Christian and then I see how Longview ran over Evangel in the same year. The DLS teams that I have seen since the Bellevue year have been ok nothing special.

Many of the teams mentioned above have played on CalFox the last several years. Every time I have seen Oaks Christian play the competition was not very good and I believe one of those teams is in your list. Maybe Bonnie? can't remember. Orange Luthern I believe was on this last year as was LB Poly and Grant.

[Hitman49]

What makes me qualified to answer that?

I know what the PERCEPTION is. The squeaky wheel gets the oil and nobody is better at talking a big game than Texas.

You had something to say about everything that has been stated. Give us your opinion!!

[E-Vol-ution]

Here's the seven that I feel can play anybody anywhere.........Centennial, Grant, Poly, DLS, St. Bonnie, Tesoro (but not by much), and Notre Dame this year. That's it......The other guys are on the cupcake curcuit and get second tier by default. Oaks is supposed to be hot this year. LMAO........... Like Plano had a defense(56-23 Allen):rolleyes: Katy just got past Marcus(Its funny you looked up the wrong Edison on Calpreps LMAO. I was talking about Huntington Beach Edison not Fresno Edison.). I could go on. You obviously are a homer who doesn't know nothing about Cali football.

I posted 11 teams that were top tier yet you keep mentioning 7. Name the 7 teams that you think were elite and knock off the other teams.


Poly
Tesoro
CC
Grant
Oaks
Bonnie
Notre Dame
Orange Lutheran
DLS
Chapparal
Lakewood

There's the 11 now remove the ones you think don't belong there. I'm sure you didn't see, Lakewood, Chappy, Oaks, or Notre Dame last year though.


Food for thought.


Poly playoff route.

Poly (Long Beach, CA) 17
Esperanza (Anaheim, CA) 10

Poly (Long Beach, CA) 20
Lakewood (CA) 10

Poly (Long Beach, CA) 20
Tesoro (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) 17

Tesoro vs Mater Dei(LMAO@basketball school)

Tesoro (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) 38
Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) 35

[steeler 01]

Here's the seven that I feel can play anybody anywhere.........Centennial, Grant, Poly, DLS, St. Bonnie, Tesoro (but not by much), and Notre Dame this year. That's it......The other guys are on the cupcake curcuit and get second tier by default. Oaks is supposed to be hot this year.

You do know Notre Dame got beaten by Orange Lutheran right?

2nd round of the Pac 5 Playoffs.

Lutheran (Orange, CA) 24
Notre Dame (Sherman Oaks, CA) 14

[steeler 01]

I have watched games involving Oaks several time over the last several years. The best Team that I have seen in Cal the last several years has been Grant like two years ago. They should challenge in Cal every year if they have good coaching with the type of athletes they have on the field.

I have never been overly excited about DLS or MD two schools that have spent a lot of time in the past ranked #1 in Cal and sometime the nation. Just nothing we don't see here by multiple teams...Then DLS gets beat by Bellevue! I watch them beat Evangel Christian and then I see how Longview ran over Evangel in the same year. The DLS teams that I have seen since the Bellevue year have been ok nothing special.

Many of the teams mentioned above have played on CalFox the last several years. Every time I have seen Oaks Christian play the competition was not very good and I believe one of those teams is in your list. Maybe Bonnie? can't remember. Orange Luthern I believe was on this last year as was LB Poly and Grant.

DLS got beaten by Bellevue the same year they lost two games in Cali and tied two other times.

As far as DLS beating Evangel and Longview running all over them is false. Evangel in the game against Longview in 03 was ahead going into the 4th quarter. Never was DLS ever in any danger of losing the game against ECA at any point. Huge difference between the two.

Oaks played Bonnie on T.V. and blew them out. Bonnie was a very good team, but that Oaks team is the best team I've seen in Cali since 04(MV). Oaks ended up having injuries later in the season and having a tougher time with Newman in the state bowl game. Anyone who calls Bonnie not very good doesn't know much about football, and that pretty much sums up my opinion of you.

I've seen a ton of Texas teams to, who I don't think are great, but yet you pump those teams up. These last 6 years I've seen Carroll, Allen, Plano, Trinity, Odessa Permian, Midland Lee, Denton Ryan, Longview, Lufkin, REL, Madison, Smithson Valley, Sulphur Springs, Cedar Hill, Plano East, Cy-Ridge, Cy-Falls, Katy etc........... Some of the teams that you have mentioned have been underwhelming to say the least.

[E-Vol-ution]

First game of the year......and then Orange got served by Amat (third tier if that)who got 56 put on them by Notre Dame......,Servite and stomped by Tesoro.You do know Notre Dame got beaten by Orange Lutheran right?

2nd round of the Pac 5 Playoffs.

Lutheran (Orange, CA) 24
Notre Dame (Sherman Oaks, CA) 14

[steeler 01]

What makes me qualified to answer that?

I know what the PERCEPTION is. The squeaky wheel gets the oil and nobody is better at talking a big game than Texas.

This

[Hitman49]

Steeler- let me get this right...

ND in your opinion is one of the best teams in Cal if not the nation?

You are willing to spot me 10points when they play Klein Oak? What would you like to bet?

[steeler 01]

Steeler- let me get this right...

ND in your opinion is one of the best teams in Cal if not the nation?

You are willing to spot me 10points when they play Klein Oak? What would you like to bet?

Yup

[steeler 01]

First game of the year......and then Orange got served by Amat (third tier if that)who got 56 put on them by Notre Dame......,Servite and stomped by Tesoro.
Orange Lutheran lost to Amat because of complacency IMO. Lutheran was up 25-0 and got careless.

Servite has owned Orange Lutheran. Servite has beaten Orange Lutheran every time they have played including 06 the year Lutheran won the Pac 5 championship.

Tesoro I thought was a top 5 team in the state and would be a toss up against any team in Cali, except CC who they didn't match up with IMO.

[steeler 01]

First game of the year......and then Orange got served by Amat (third tier if that)who got 56 put on them by Notre Dame......,Servite and stomped by Tesoro.

First game of the year? Orange Lutheran beat Notre Dame in the playoffs. First game of the year Lutheran blew a 25-0 lead to Amat.

[Canes0177]

You had something to say about everything that has been stated. Give us your opinion!!

My opinion is that Texas and California have almost twice as many schools as we do in Florida.

And Texas seems to have 90% of their quality teams in 5A and the other 10% in 4A.

The rest of the state sucks.

[E-Vol-ution]

Notre Dame was complacent against Orange. They proved themselves against everybody else. I don't know if Tesoro is top five, because Grant proved themselves better than everybody in Cali thought they were last year.Tesoro does keep the beef....and will pound most people to the ground. I respect their style.
I'm just glad you didn't try to pump up Bellarmine........lol
Orange Lutheran lost to Amat because of complacency IMO. Lutheran was up 25-0 and got careless.

Servite has owned Orange Lutheran. Servite has beaten Orange Lutheran every time they have played including 06 the year Lutheran won the Pac 5 championship.

Tesoro I thought was a top 5 team in the state and would be a toss up against any team in Cali, except CC who they didn't match up with IMO.

[Hitman49]

My opinion is that Texas and California have almost twice as many schools as we do in Florida.

And Texas seems to have 90% of their quality teams in 5A and the other 10% in 4A.

The rest of the state sucks.

sure the best national top teams are in Texas 5A. If we had private schools playing 1 thru 5A that would not be the case. Florida and Cal rely on having loaded private schools that recruit and give scholarships.

The rest of the state sucks? Are you kidding me? I watched Gilmer TX 3A lay 50 or 60 on Bishop Gorman NV Las Vegas. We have great talent in our small schools.

[E-Vol-ution]

Guess you never heard of Celina.........There's plenty of small towns with corn fed boys..........come see one and get a better opinion.My opinion is that Texas and California have almost twice as many schools as we do in Florida.

And Texas seems to have 90% of their quality teams in 5A and the other 10% in 4A.

The rest of the state sucks.

[E-Vol-ution]

Man...I forgot...those boys in Dangerfield will tear a mudhole in most folks too........My opinion is that Texas and California have almost twice as many schools as we do in Florida.

And Texas seems to have 90% of their quality teams in 5A and the other 10% in 4A.

The rest of the state sucks.

[steeler 01]

sure the best national top teams are in Texas 5A. If we had private schools playing 1 thru 5A that would not be the case. Florida and Cal rely on having loaded private schools that recruit and give scholarships.

The rest of the state sucks? Are you kidding me? I watched Gilmer TX 3A lay 50 or 60 on Bishop Gorman NV Las Vegas. We have great talent in our small schools.

Bishop Gorman has gotten handled plenty of times by ****** schools from here in Cali. LMAO. My school Fontana handed them a 50 point *** whoopin back in the 90's.:D Not to mention Gilmer beat Bishop Gorman's worst team this decade. They ended up going 6-5 on the year. Great notch on Gilmer's belt.:rolleyes: That same year a 7-5 team from the central section in Cali beat the Nevada champion.

Las Vegas high vs Madera (Madera, CA) 13-32 Madera win

Since you like to do chains so much here goes one for you.

Cheyenne vs Bishop Gorman (Las Vegas, NV) 24-10 Cheyenne Win
Palo Verde vs Cheyenne (North Las Vegas, NV) 37-0 Palo Verde Win
Galena vs Palo Verde (Las Vegas, NV) 35-0 Galena Win
Galena vs Las Vegas (Las Vegas, NV) 6-33 Las Vegas Win

[steeler 01]

Guess you never heard of Celina.........There's plenty of small towns with corn fed boys..........come see one and get a better opinion.

Yet you make opinions of teams you don't see.:rolleyes:

[steeler 01]

Notre Dame was complacent against Orange. They proved themselves against everybody else. I don't know if Tesoro is top five, because Grant proved themselves better than everybody in Cali thought they were last year.Tesoro does keep the beef....and will pound most people to the ground. I respect their style.
I'm just glad you didn't try to pump up Bellarmine........lol

Notre Dame was complacent against Orange Lutheran. Where'd you come up with that idea from? Did you watch the game? Orange Lutheran ran the ball at will on Notre Dame. Thats why they won.

Grant proved themselves better than everyone in Cali? CC IMO was the best team in the state, and Calhisports named them their team of the year in Cali.

[steeler 01]

My opinion is that Texas and California have almost twice as many schools as we do in Florida.

And Texas seems to have 90% of their quality teams in 5A and the other 10% in 4A.

The rest of the state sucks.


sure the best national top teams are in Texas 5A. If we had private schools playing 1 thru 5A that would not be the case. Florida and Cal rely on having loaded private schools that recruit and give scholarships.

The rest of the state sucks? Are you kidding me? I watched Gilmer TX 3A lay 50 or 60 on Bishop Gorman NV Las Vegas. We have great talent in our small schools.
Can you imagine a team like Tatum, Vernon, Pecos, Snyder etc.......Playing Oaks, Bonnie, Pahokee, Glades Central, Monsignor Pace, Modesto Catholic, Cardinal Newman etc.....The games would get out of hand real quick.;);):D

[rodjohns]

Maybe he's a tiptoe artist......:confused: He seemed to run against Cy Creek pretty good in the playoffs. They didn't stop him. Why would you want to send a gifted QB that can run to WR? I would like to see him and Andy together in the backfield. Gilliams is needed on D.

Cy Creek playoff game:

Rushing
Name Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
Ossam Cook 9 103 11.44 0 2
Andy Wilson 21 125 5.95 0 1
Jeremy Mayweather 13 154 11.85 0 1
Brandon McClain 11 76 6.91 0 2

Actualy, I think they did stop him..the best running back that day was Jeremy followed by Andy and a hurt Ossam. One game does not make a RB. So tell me about the move in from Spring...just curious..:D

[smw358]

Cy Creek playoff game:

Rushing
Name Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD
Ossam Cook 9 103 11.44 0 2
Andy Wilson 21 125 5.95 0 1
Jeremy Mayweather 13 154 11.85 0 1
Brandon McClain 11 76 6.91 0 2

Actualy, I think they did stop him..the best running back that day was Jeremy followed by Andy and a hurt Ossam. One game does not make a RB. So tell me about the move in from Spring...just curious..:D

No doubt that Jeremy M. was man that day. Due to Ossam's injury. McClain came in for an injured Wilson and made some key runs to keep the offense on the field. Has Klein ever played Cy Creek? No lead was safe with their offense last year. I was impressed at the poise of McClain. He had to do a job and he did it. His numbers may not reflect....but those 76 yards were hard fought. He ran the offense pretty good too.

[Hitman49]

Yet you make opinions of teams you don't see.:rolleyes:

We base it on facts that we see. We are not under some rock over here dude. Believe it or not I work with football programs all over the country...

[Hitman49]

Yup

So what would you like to bet?

Would you like to wager on Bellevue against Katy? Are you givin points on that game too?

[E-Vol-ution]

Notre Dame thought nobody could stop the Kasdof to Flynn combo.......but still was beating Orange most of the game. A penalty gave Orange the ball to tie it by halftime. Oaks was still on the verge of winning until that interception......what game were you watching? Orange ran the ball down their throats....but still was lucky to come out with the win. Poor game plan due to complacency.......I'd bet on Oaks if it was the best of three........
Grant didn't get exposure showing how good they were until last year because of the jacked up way you guys select playoff teams and seedings. I think they were better the year before.....Centennial was the popular selection as #1 but if Poly had beaten Grant that wouldn't have been the case.
Notre Dame was complacent against Orange Lutheran. Where'd you come up with that idea from? Did you watch the game? Orange Lutheran ran the ball at will on Notre Dame. Thats why they won.

Grant proved themselves better than everyone in Cali? CC IMO was the best team in the state, and Calhisports named them their team of the year in Cali.

[rodjohns]

No doubt that Jeremy M. was man that day. Due to Ossam's injury. McClain came in for an injured Wilson and made some key runs to keep the offense on the field. Has Klein ever played Cy Creek? No lead was safe with their offense last year. I was impressed at the poise of McClain. He had to do a job and he did it. His numbers may not reflect....but those 76 yards were hard fought. He ran the offense pretty good too.

Actualy Brandon and I go way back...he and I give each other crap about Klein Oilers, Hildebrandt, Klein Oak, etc...he is a good athlete and good kid. I really just want to find out about the Spring High RB transfer..c'mon...tell me man...you know you want to...:D

[steeler 01]

Notre Dame thought nobody could stop the Kasdof to Flynn combo.......but still was beating Orange most of the game. A penalty gave Orange the ball to tie it by halftime. Oaks was still on the verge of winning until that interception......what game were you watching? Orange ran the ball down their throats....but still was lucky to come out with the win. Poor game plan due to complacency.......I'd bet on Oaks if it was the best of three........
Grant didn't get exposure showing how good they were until last year because of the jacked up way you guys select playoff teams and seedings. I think they were better the year before.....Centennial was the popular selection as #1 but if Poly had beaten Grant that wouldn't have been the case.

Orange Lutheran won that game because of their ability to rush the ball. You don't run for 300 yards on a team and say they were lucky to win that game. If they play 3 times my money is on Orange Lutheran, because of the match up. I'm pretty sure you read the article on OCvarsity telling you about the interception in the 3rd quarter and the penalty on the FG. Notre Dame had the ball at the Orange Lutheran 36 yard line and the QB went for it all and got picked. Prior to that drive, Lutheran had missed a 36 yard field goal that would have put them up.

As far as Notre Dame leading all game? What game were you watching? I was at this game. Where did you watch this game at, or did you read an article about it?

Scoring by quarter.

Notre Dame 0 14 0 0

Orange Lutheran 0 14 0 10

I guess leading 7-0 and 14-7 for awhile in the 2nd quarter is all game.:rolleyes:

[steeler 01]

We base it on facts that we see. We are not under some rock over here dude. Believe it or not I work with football programs all over the country...

Based on facts that you want you're eyes to see. :rolleyes:

[steeler 01]

So what would you like to bet?

Would you like to wager on Bellevue against Katy? Are you givin points on that game too?

Name you're bet......Although I'd prefer 100 dollars or more, you can name you're price..........As far as Bellevue-Katy I think that game is a toss up, but I favor Katy because of the travel factor Bellevue will have to face. I think Katy should win by 7-10 points.

[Fleeman93]

Name you're bet......Although I'd prefer 100 dollars or more, you can name you're price..........As far as Bellevue-Katy I think that game is a toss up, but I favor Katy because of the travel factor Bellevue will have to face. I think Katy should win by 7-10 points.

Not to hijack but steeler what margin of victory would make you go "damn that Katy team is legit. I totally underestimated them".....?

[steeler 01]

Not to hijack but steeler what margin of victory would make you go "damn that Katy team is legit. I totally underestimated them".....?

I think Katy is a legit team. They remind me of the Loyola teams here in Cali of the 90's and early 00's.

[Fleeman93]

I think Katy is a legit team. They remind me of the Loyola teams here in Cali of the 90's and early 00's.

So what kind of margin would it take to REALLY impress you?

[Hitman49]

Name you're bet......Although I'd prefer 100 dollars or more, you can name you're price..........As far as Bellevue-Katy I think that game is a toss up, but I favor Katy because of the travel factor Bellevue will have to face. I think Katy should win by 7-10 points.

Steeler- I don't want to take your money! Katy will beat Bellevue by 16 or more.

I just watch some more Youtube video of ND. some of those games the kids on the other team look like JV players. Don't forget these kids from ND are playing out of state for the first time. I am telling you that Klein Oak can play with these boys. Can't wait to see what will really happen.

[steeler 01]

Steeler- I don't want to take your money! Katy will beat Bellevue by 16 or more.

I just watch some more Youtube video of ND. some of those games the kids on the other team look like JV players. Don't forget these kids from ND are playing out of state for the first time. I am telling you that Klein Oak can play with these boys. Can't wait to see what will really happen.

So you're saying you won't put you're money where you're mouth goes. Typical.;) As far as the J.V. comment you've already shown you're stupidity by saying Bonnie sucked.

[Canes0177]

sure the best national top teams are in Texas 5A. If we had private schools playing 1 thru 5A that would not be the case. Florida and Cal rely on having loaded private schools that recruit and give scholarships.

The rest of the state sucks? Are you kidding me? I watched Gilmer TX 3A lay 50 or 60 on Bishop Gorman NV Las Vegas. We have great talent in our small schools.

Florida has had 6 schools win the mythical national championship.

Coral Gables
Miami
Pine Forest
Lakeland
Northwestern
St. Thomas Aquinas

Only 1 private school.

2006 Bishop Gorman (http://www.maxpreps.com/nevada/football/bishop-gorman-(las-vegas)/schedule.aspx?schoolid=03c125d3-5255-4e5d-8991-5e543fe741d2&ssid=d1db68fc-57d1-417d-af94-2a17b0dc8773&urpath=,local,team)

Yes. They scored 56.....on a 6-5 Bishop Gorman team. Congrats. Gilmer also put up these scores inside Texas: 45, 62, 64, 49, 49, 63, 62, 55, 49, 36.

[steeler 01]

Florida has had 6 schools win the mythical national championship.

Coral Gables
Miami
Pine Forest
Lakeland
Northwestern
St. Thomas Aquinas

Only 1 private school.

2006 Bishop Gorman (http://www.maxpreps.com/nevada/football/bishop-gorman-(las-vegas)/schedule.aspx?schoolid=03c125d3-5255-4e5d-8991-5e543fe741d2&ssid=d1db68fc-57d1-417d-af94-2a17b0dc8773&urpath=,local,team)

Yes. They scored 56.....on a 6-5 Bishop Gorman team. Congrats. Gilmer also put up these scores inside Texas: 45, 62, 64, 49, 49, 63, 62, 55, 49, 36.

One of those beat downs Gilmer handed out was to 2A Champ Tatum 45-21.

[Canes0177]

Guess you never heard of Celina.........There's plenty of small towns with corn fed boys..........come see one and get a better opinion.

I've heard of them. Nobody seems to think they can play in 5A. So there's no reason for me to take them to seriously.

[Fleeman93]

So what kind of margin would it take to REALLY impress you?

Steeler?

[Canes0177]

Can you imagine a team like Tatum, Vernon, Pecos, Snyder etc.......Playing Oaks, Bonnie, Pahokee, Glades Central, Monsignor Pace, Modesto Catholic, Cardinal Newman etc.....The games would get out of hand real quick.;);):D

Go look at a team photo of Celina. Enough said.

I bet Liberty Hill, Carthage, Pilot Point, etc are similar.

[steeler 01]

Steeler?

I'd say a 17 point win where they dominate the LOS. Not where Bellevue implodes and fumbles the game away. The two things that are going to hurt Bellevue the most in this game are it's bellevue's first game of the season, and Katy's 3rd(I think this is Katy's biggest edge) and however many scrimmages, and the game is being played at Katy.

[steeler 01]

Go look at a team photo of Celina. Enough said.

I bet Liberty Hill, Carthage, Pilot Point, etc are similar.

I've seen Celina play on tapes. I've seen Carthage, Liberty Hill and Pilot Point to.:D That's why I make those comments, but of course the Texas homers will claim that those teams are tough. ;);):D

Here's a clip from youtube. You get to see Celina's competition or lack there of.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ide9Me3GvVY

[CaneDadCat5]

Texas, California, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, Louisiana, all have good football teams in there state. No one in the world can say what team is better than the other without extensive study of or direct head to head play. I choose head to head (why tell me when you can show me).

If Measuring programs by the sheer number and players then we cut down the number of states to 4.5. Texas, California, Florida, and Ohio/Penn. Now if you go with strength of feeding local college bowl participating teams over the past 20 years I give Florida and surrounding states these schools(FSU/FlA/MIA/ALA/GA/So.C) a slight advantage over California and Texas based off fewer players with a greater impact. Texas and California have huge programs. California (USC/CAl/WA/WaSt/Utah/San Diego St) Over the past 8-10 years I would give the advantage to California. and last 9 - present years to Texas (UT/Okla/LSU/TCU/Okla St./Tex.Tech/) . Penn/Ohio/Okla infused every couple of years (Ohio St./Michigan/Penn St/North Carolina/NC State/ Ball State etc).

Texas kids go to Universities and Colleges all over the nation in greater numbers than any state (period). Measure your state by how many kids that have been recruited and are signed in other states as well as their own. People who compare their teams and call Texas High School Football Champions weak, then Katy, SLC, Trinity, Lake Travis, North Shore, Plano, Permian, Heck "Little Sisters of the the Divine Pigskin" are ready to strap up their chinstraps, drive thier enemies before them and listen to the lamentation of their cheerleaders, mascots and fans. (Climbing down of Soap Box). AMEN.

[Hitman49]

I think Katy is a legit team. They remind me of the Loyola teams here in Cali of the 90's and early 00's.

07' Katy team would have run circles around 08' Katy team.

[Hitman49]

Florida has had 6 schools win the mythical national championship.

Coral Gables
Miami
Pine Forest
Lakeland
Northwestern
St. Thomas Aquinas

Only 1 private school.

2006 Bishop Gorman (http://www.maxpreps.com/nevada/football/bishop-gorman-(las-vegas)/schedule.aspx?schoolid=03c125d3-5255-4e5d-8991-5e543fe741d2&ssid=d1db68fc-57d1-417d-af94-2a17b0dc8773&urpath=,local,team)

Yes. They scored 56.....on a 6-5 Bishop Gorman team. Congrats. Gilmer also put up these scores inside Texas: 45, 62, 64, 49, 49, 63, 62, 55, 49, 36.

against Texas 3A schools- didn't Gilmer also get beat in the first round that year? They have some great talent. studs at OU and UT

[Fleeman93]

I'd say a 17 point win where they dominate the LOS. Not where Bellevue implodes and fumbles the game away. The two things that are going to hurt Bellevue the most in this game are it's bellevue's first game of the season, and Katy's 3rd(I think this is Katy's biggest edge) and however many scrimmages, and the game is being played at Katy.

So if Katy wins by 30 plus you will be impressed?

[Hitman49]

The very next year 07' Gilmer beat Richwood Monroe La 39-0. That year Bastrop LA went 15-0 and was considered one of the best teams in Louisiana and only beat Richwood 34-12 only two weeks after Gilmer dominated!!

[Hitman49]

One of those beat downs Gilmer handed out was to 2A Champ Tatum 45-21.

Tatum a team that sent two kids to SEC Tenn vols. Hell, Gilmer beat Dangerfield 2A state champs this year. Dangerfield beat 3A state runner up Celina on the road this past year. I am telling you for the size of these school we are talking about these teams can flat play ball. 650-750 students 9th-12th grade.

[Hitman49]

So if Katy wins by 30 plus you will be impressed?

Regardless how bad Bellevue gets beat he will argue it was the first game or something.

Steeler here this, yes compared to good Texas 5A Bonnie don't look that great to me...

[steeler 01]

against Texas 3A schools- didn't Gilmer also get beat in the first round that year? They have some great talent. studs at OU and UT

Yea they lost to the Champions by 3. Tough first round draw

[steeler 01]

Regardless how bad Bellevue gets beat he will argue it was the first game or something.

Steeler here this, yes compared to good Texas 5A Bonnie don't look that great to me...

No one looks good compare to a 5A Texas team to you;)

[Canes0177]

against Texas 3A schools- didn't Gilmer also get beat in the first round that year? They have some great talent. studs at OU and UT

So you agree that Texas 3A is weak?

[cajun]

The very next year 07' Gilmer beat Richwood Monroe La 39-0. That year Bastrop LA went 15-0 and was considered one of the best teams in Louisiana and only beat Richwood 34-12 only two weeks after Gilmer dominated!!

Yep, Richwood was alright over here at 6-5...Looks like Richwood, La played Gilmer as tight as anyone in Texas until the playoffs...:eek:

Bastrop, La was pretty dang good though...

3A Gilmer Schedule (14-1)
Date Time Opponent Result
8/31/07 TBA vs. Richwood (Monroe, LA) 39-0 (W) Gilmer lead 18-0 at halftime...Richwood just ran out of steam..
9/07/07 TBA @ Tatum (Tatum, TX) 71-28 (W)
9/14/07 TBA vs. Daingerfield (Daingerfield, TX) 35-12 (W)
9/28/07 TBA @ Center (Center, TX) 63-6 (W)
10/05/07 TBA vs. Atlanta (Atlanta, TX) 42-14 (W)
10/12/07 7:30 PM @ Sabine (Gladewater, TX) * 59-7 (W)
10/19/07 TBA @ White Oak (White Oak, TX) * 63-7 (W)
10/26/07 TBA vs. Mineola (Mineola, TX) * 52-0 (W)
11/02/07 TBA @ Spring Hill (Longview, TX) * 65-7 (W)
11/09/07 TBA vs. Gladewater (Gladewater, TX) * 53-17 (W)
11/16/07 7:30 PM @ Liberty-Eylau (Texarkana, TX) *** (Longview) 41-26 (W)
11/24/07 TBA @ Mabank (Mabank, TX) *** (Stephen F. Austin U.) 35-28 (W)
12/01/07 TBA @ Roosevelt (Dallas, TX) *** (Mesquite Memorial Stadium) 42-36 (W)
12/08/07 TBA @ Wylie (Abilene, TX) *** (Birdville ISD Stadium) 28-21 (W)
12/15/07 TBA vs. Liberty Hill (Liberty Hill, TX) *** 13-38 (L)


3A Richwood, La Schedule (6-5)
Date Time Opponent Result
8/31/07 TBA @ Gilmer (Gilmer, TX) 0-39 (L)
9/07/07 TBA @ Redemptorist (Baton Rouge, LA) 20-35 (L)
9/14/07 TBA vs. Bastrop (Bastrop, LA) 12-34 (L)
9/21/07 TBA @ Carroll (Monroe, LA) 36-20 (W)
9/28/07 TBA @ Jackson (Jackson, LA) (TBA) 49-14 (W)
10/05/07 TBA @ Wossman (Monroe, LA) * 28-16 (W)
10/12/07 TBA vs. Washington (Shreveport, LA) * 61-40 (W)
10/19/07 TBA vs. Rayville (Rayville, LA) * 12-29 (L)
10/26/07 TBA @ Green Oaks (Shreveport, LA) * 44-8 (W)
11/01/07 TBA vs. Madison (Tallulah, LA) * 49-0 (W)
11/09/07 TBA @ Iowa (Iowa, LA) *** 40-50 (L)

[Hitman49]

Yea they lost to the Champions by 3. Tough first round draw

We also have 2 division in each class.

[ftballin11]

So you agree that Texas 3A is weak?


Only a couple teams could compete agaisnt the top teir of 5a. Depth is there issue. Some 5a schools have around 4000, kids which equals a much bigger talent pool. But some 3a school have such good coaching they can still compete.

[Canes0177]

The very next year 07' Gilmer beat Richwood Monroe La 39-0. That year Bastrop LA went 15-0 and was considered one of the best teams in Louisiana and only beat Richwood 34-12 only two weeks after Gilmer dominated!!

So your two signature wins for Gilmer are over a 6-5 Bishop Gorman team and a 6-5 Richwood team?

Why are these games meaningful? Just because they were OOS teams?

Gilmer beat Tatum, 71-28.
Gilmer beat Sabine, 59-7.
Gilmer beat White Oak, 63-7.
Gilmer beat Minneola, 52-0.
Gilmer beat Spring Hill, 65-7.
Gilmer beat Gladewater, 53-17.

Why aren't these meaningful?

[Hitman49]

Yea they lost to the Champions by 3. Tough first round draw

yea, the champions Liberty-Eylau finished the season 12-3. That year they finished in 2nd place in their own district behind (5-7) Atlanta TX

Lost to Wiberley 35-7
Lost to Mt. Pleasant 6-14
Lost to Atlanta 17-20 this team went 5-7 but won the same district that Liberty Eylau was in
Beat N. Lamar 14-13
Beat Robinson 35-34

Looks like lots of competition to me. In Texas you must bring your "A" game. That Bastrop comparsion I already posted speaks loud to the quality of these teams.

[Hitman49]

So your two signature wins for Gilmer are over a 6-5 Bishop Gorman team and a 6-5 Richwood team?

Why are these games meaningful? Just because they were OOS teams?

Gilmer beat Tatum, 71-28.
Gilmer beat Sabine, 59-7.
Gilmer beat White Oak, 63-7.
Gilmer beat Minneola, 52-0.
Gilmer beat Spring Hill, 65-7.
Gilmer beat Gladewater, 53-17.

Why aren't these meaningful?

No, they beat much better teams during that time. My point is Gilmer beat Richwood 39-0 and Bastrop who was one of the best teams in LA and was considered one of the best in the Nation beat richwood in the same year by less. That is the point!!

[steeler 01]

07' Katy team would have run circles around 08' Katy team.

I watched both 3 times.

[steeler 01]

No, they beat much better teams during that time. My point is Gilmer beat Richwood 39-0 and Bastrop who was one of the best teams in LA and was considered one of the best in the Nation beat richwood in the same year by less. That is the point!!

They both cruised. Winning by 23 or winning by 39 isn't a huge difference. Both are blowouts.

[steeler 01]

yea, the champions Liberty-Eylau finished the season 12-3. That year they finished in 2nd place in their own district behind (5-7) Atlanta TX

Lost to Wiberley 35-7
Lost to Mt. Pleasant 6-14
Lost to Atlanta 17-20 this team went 5-7 but won the same district that Liberty Eylau was in
Beat N. Lamar 14-13
Beat Robinson 35-34

Looks like lots of competition to me. In Texas you must bring your "A" game. That Bastrop comparsion I already posted speaks loud to the quality of these teams.
Let me get this right. If a team in another state loses to an average team in their state, their top teams suck, but if a team in Texas loses to an average team in their state this proves their depth. :eek::eek: You're frog's brother.

[Hitman49]

They both cruised. Winning by 23 or winning by 39 isn't a huge difference. Both are blowouts.

Do you agree that Bastrop LA team was considered one of the best in LA and the Nation?

See Steeler I like to compare facts and the facts are Gilmer TX 3A beat richwood Monroe LA 39-0 and Bastrop LA who was considered one of the best teams in LA and the nation only beat the same darn team two weeks later 34-9.

The year that Gilmer beat Bishop Gorman Las Vegas, Gorman also got beat by one of the best teams in the State of Missouri Rockbridge who is 6A. rock at game time was the #1 team in that state. They beat them soundly like 38 - zip and Gilmer TX 3A beat them, what was it 56-14. I was at the game and Gilmer had over 40 something points in the first half. The fans from Gorman was saying at half time that they had never seen a team that big and fast.

[Hitman49]

Let me get this right. If a team in another state loses to an average team in their state, their top teams suck, but if a team in Texas loses to an average team in their state this proves their depth. :eek::eek: You're frog's brother.

I like frog! I wished he would get involved again. Cali has some good football the only difference between the states is that Texas has more teams that play high level HS football.

What will you say when Katy beats Bellevue by like 17 or more and Klein Oak either beats ND or plays them very tuff?

[steeler 01]

Do you agree that Bastrop LA team was considered one of the best in LA and the Nation?

See Steeler I like to compare facts and the facts are Gilmer TX 3A beat richwood Monroe LA 39-0 and Bastrop LA who was considered one of the best teams in LA and the nation only beat the same darn team two weeks later 34-9.

The year that Gilmer beat Bishop Gorman Las Vegas, Gorman also got beat by one of the best teams in the State of Missouri Rockbridge who is 6A. rock at game time was the #1 team in that state. They beat them soundly like 38 - zip and Gilmer TX 3A beat them, what was it 56-14. I was at the game and Gilmer had over 40 something points in the first half. The fans from Gorman was saying at half time that they had never seen a team that big and fast.
Football isn't math. You don't go by what two teams did against other teams to find a result. Try that at the college level and bet money and see how much you lose.

[steeler 01]

I like frog! I wished he would get involved again. Cali has some good football the only difference between the states is that Texas has more teams that play high level HS football.

What will you say when Katy beats Bellevue by like 17 or more and Klein Oak either beats ND or plays them very tuff?

I know you like frog. You both are myopic homers.

What will you say if Bellevue wins and S.O.N.D cleans Klein Oaks out?

[Hitman49]

Football isn't math. You don't go by what two teams did against other teams to find a result. Try that at the college level and bet money and see how much you lose.

College and HS are two different anaimals! Dude looking and comparing scores is all we got. Stop acting like we don't have good football in our smaller schools!!!!!!!!!! Which you and your little friend are dead wrong.

[steeler 01]

College and HS are two different anaimals! Dude looking and comparing scores is all we got. Stop acting like we don't have good football in our smaller schools!!!!!!!!!! Which you and your little friend are dead wrong.

You're small schools would get handled badly by Florida and Cali top small schools. Madison County, Pahokee, Glades, Bolles, Clewiston, Oaks, Bonnie, Modesto CC, Newman etc........ Would hurt you're small schools.

[E-Vol-ution]

Lutheran's pass defense was the difference maker, they wanted ND to beat them on the ground(and the ND RB had over 100 yds rushing in the first half. They just never adjusted......
I read more than one article on the game (we do our research here)......so why if you were there didn't you notice Orange never lead until 10 minutes were left in the game?
OK....for real now.......Flee, is that you?
Orange Lutheran won that game because of their ability to rush the ball. You don't run for 300 yards on a team and say they were lucky to win that game. If they play 3 times my money is on Orange Lutheran, because of the match up. I'm pretty sure you read the article on OCvarsity telling you about the interception in the 3rd quarter and the penalty on the FG. Notre Dame had the ball at the Orange Lutheran 36 yard line and the QB went for it all and got picked. Prior to that drive, Lutheran had missed a 36 yard field goal that would have put them up.

As far as Notre Dame leading all game? What game were you watching? I was at this game. Where did you watch this game at, or did you read an article about it?

Scoring by quarter.

Notre Dame 0 14 0 0

Orange Lutheran 0 14 0 10

I guess leading 7-0 and 14-7 for awhile in the 2nd quarter is all game.:rolleyes:

[E-Vol-ution]

I'd like to see them play Daingerfield. I more than like our chances.You're small schools would get handled badly by Florida and Cali top small schools. Madison County, Pahokee, Glades, Bolles, Clewiston, Oaks, Bonnie, Modesto CC, Newman etc........ Would hurt you're small schools.

[cajun]

Do you agree that Bastrop LA team was considered one of the best in LA and the Nation?

See Steeler I like to compare facts and the facts are Gilmer TX 3A beat richwood Monroe LA 39-0 and Bastrop LA who was considered one of the best teams in LA and the nation only beat the same darn team two weeks later 34-9.

.

I like to compare facts also...

Fact #1...Bastrop was pretty dang good (won the 4A Title here) in 2007...Gilmer was pretty dang good in Texas (played for a Title) in 2007 ....Richwood was 6-5 and gave up 50 in the 1st Round of the playoffs here...

Fact #2 (using Hitman49 logic)

4A Neville (La) beat 4A Marshall (TX) last year (2008) 42-13..

DeAndre Reed was tough for Marshall's defenders to find Friday night. And when they did find him, the speedy tailback was tough for them to bring down.

Reed rushed for 246 yards and three touchdowns on 25 carries, leading Monroe (La.) Neville to a 42-13 gashing of Marshall at Maverick Stadium.

The loss was the Mavericks (3-1) first of the year.

Neville racked up 428 total yards, including 368 rushing yards, to Marshall's 194 total yards ...


Neville (La) 42 beat Marshall (TX) 13....(29 point difference)
4A Longview(TX) beat Marshall (TX) 50-21....(29 point difference)
4A Sulphur Springs (TX) beat Marshall (TX) 57-36....(21 point difference)

Longview goes on to play for the 4A-I Title...(Loses)
Sulphur Springs wins the 4A-II 4A Title...

Looking at the point difference (your logic) between games played against Marshall it's safe to say Neville (La) could have possibly played in one of the 4A Texas Title games....Just going by "points", right?

Neville didn't get out of the 2nd round here in Louisiana...:eek:

Finals
Game 31
Belle Chasse 28
Archbishop Shaw (New Orleans) 7

[E-Vol-ution]

Regarding most Florida teams mentioned......I noticed tremendous athletes, lack of efficient execution, Quarterbacks that were athletes who could not throw accurately (i.e. Pahokee, Apopka, Mad. Co.) and a total lack of the kicking game. These intangibles make a big difference when playing against the best opponents. You're small schools would get handled badly by Florida and Cali top small schools. Madison County, Pahokee, Glades, Bolles, Clewiston, Oaks, Bonnie, Modesto CC, Newman etc........ Would hurt you're small schools.

[Hitman49]

You're small schools would get handled badly by Florida and Cali top small schools. Madison County, Pahokee, Glades, Bolles, Clewiston, Oaks, Bonnie, Modesto CC, Newman etc........ Would hurt you're small schools.

What do you consider small? Glades Central would be 4A here in Texas and we got teams that can play with them.

I have seen Texas 3A beat Florida 5A twice over the years.

see if you can find some video on Dangerfield TX 2A, then get back to me.

[steeler 01]

Lutheran's pass defense was the difference maker, they wanted ND to beat them on the ground(and the ND RB had over 100 yds rushing in the first half. They just never adjusted......
I read more than one article on the game (we do our research here)......so why if you were there didn't you notice Orange never lead until 10 minutes were left in the game?
OK....for real now.......Flee, is that you?

So you didn't watch the game, but read articles go figure. :rolleyes: I was at the game:)

[steeler 01]

What do you consider small? Glades Central would be 4A here in Texas and we got teams that can play with them.

I have seen Texas 3A beat Florida 5A twice over the years.

see if you can find some video on Dangerfield TX 2A, then get back to me.

Daingerfield got blown out by Gilmer. I don't think I have to find a video to know how horrible they are.;)


9/26/08 Daingerfield vs. Gilmer (Gilmer, TX) 18-49 Gilmer

[Hitman49]

I like to compare facts also...

Fact #1...Bastrop was pretty dang good (won the 4A Title here) in 2007...Gilmer was pretty dang good in Texas (played for a Title) in 2007 ....Richwood was 6-5 and gave up 50 in the 1st Round of the playoffs here...

Fact #2 (using Hitman49 logic)

4A Neville (La) beat 4A Marshall (TX) last year (2008) 42-13..

DeAndre Reed was tough for Marshall's defenders to find Friday night. And when they did find him, the speedy tailback was tough for them to bring down.

Reed rushed for 246 yards and three touchdowns on 25 carries, leading Monroe (La.) Neville to a 42-13 gashing of Marshall at Maverick Stadium.

The loss was the Mavericks (3-1) first of the year.

Neville racked up 428 total yards, including 368 rushing yards, to Marshall's 194 total yards ...


Neville (La) 42 beat Marshall (TX) 13....(29 point difference)
4A Longview(TX) beat Marshall (TX) 50-21....(29 point difference)
4A Sulphur Springs (TX) beat Marshall (TX) 57-36....(21 point difference)

Longview goes on to play for the 4A-I Title...(Loses)
Sulphur Springs wins the 4A-II 4A Title...

Looking at the point difference (your logic) between games played against Marshall it's safe to say Neville (La) could have possibly played in one of the 4A Texas Title games....Just going by "points", right?

Neville didn't get out of the 2nd round here in Louisiana...:eek:

Finals
Game 31
Belle Chasse 28
Archbishop Shaw (New Orleans) 7

You forgot to mention that Kilgore beat Marshall in the first round. The RB for Kilgore rushed for over 300 yards. Why did you remind us what Longview did to Evangel who was actually stronger team then was Neville.

Let me give you some facts that I am sure you never heard.

The coaches from Kilgore, Longview, and Neville all go way back. Coach Val from Kilgore actually coached most of the coaches from Neville while coaching in LA. One of the things that killed Marshall against Neville was they did not have their dual treat QB for this game. I really like the coaches from Neville, they are a blast!!

I am glad to see Belle Chase had good season as I sold them all new weight-room, which was installed during 07' two-a-days. I went down there for the install and ended up watching them practice. They must have really improved from 07' to 08' that is all I got to say.

[steeler 01]

I like to compare facts also...

Fact #1...Bastrop was pretty dang good (won the 4A Title here) in 2007...Gilmer was pretty dang good in Texas (played for a Title) in 2007 ....Richwood was 6-5 and gave up 50 in the 1st Round of the playoffs here...

Fact #2 (using Hitman49 logic)

4A Neville (La) beat 4A Marshall (TX) last year (2008) 42-13..



Good stuff.

Kilgore vs Marshall 18-28 Marshall, Kilgore vs Marshall 31-28 Kilgore(Both teams were even, and Neville trounced Marshall.)
Kilgore vs Gilmer 28-14 Kilgore
Carthage(3A champ) vs Kilgore 20-33 Kilgore
Gilmer vs Daingerfield 49-18 Gilmer


Looks like Neville would spank them all(Using hitman's logic). Neville was 8-4 and lost in the 2nd round of the 4A playoffs.

[E-Vol-ution]

Really...that's what I said. It's amazing that I know more about it than you.....jeesh. So much for being informed and able to quote sources. We do that here, you know.......;)So you didn't watch the game, but read articles go figure. :rolleyes: I was at the game:)

[33Blood]

There are a lot more Texas kids on the LSU roster than Louisiana kids on the UT roster.

[steeler 01]

Really...that's what I said. It's amazing that I know more about it than you.....jeesh. So much for being informed and able to quote sources. We do that here, you know.......;)

You don't know nothing about the game. Other than the interception and penalty that took 3 points off the board and gave Lutheran a first down to set up their TD to tie the game at 14 at the half. You stated Notre Dame led for most of the game. Last time I checked a game has 4 quarters not partially 1.

[E-Vol-ution]

What part of Orange never led until the last ten minutes of the game did you not get? Notre Dame was about to go into the lead when the interception was thrown..........You must have been smokin that "purple". Just say no.....you miss good parts of the game and then some guy in Texas quotes Cali news articles on ya..........:rolleyes:You don't know nothing about the game. Other than the interception and penalty that took 3 points off the board and gave Lutheran a first down to set up their TD to tie the game at 14 at the half. You stated Notre Dame led for most of the game. Last time I checked a game has 4 quarters not partially 1.

[cajun]

You forgot to mention that Kilgore beat Marshall in the first round. The RB for Kilgore rushed for over 300 yards. Why did you remind us what Longview did to Evangel who was actually stronger team then was Neville.

Let me give you some facts that I am sure you never heard.

The coaches from Kilgore, Longview, and Neville all go way back. Coach Val from Kilgore actually coached most of the coaches from Neville while coaching in LA. One of the things that killed Marshall against Neville was they did not have their dual treat QB for this game. I really like the coaches from Neville, they are a blast!!

I am glad to see Belle Chase had good season as I sold them all new weight-room, which was installed during 07' two-a-days. I went down there for the install and ended up watching them practice. They must have really improved from 07' to 08' that is all I got to say.

I didn't forget, it just doesn't fit into the equation....Neville, Longview, Sulphur Springs and Marshall are in the equation(you know, points)....Evangel and Kilgore not in the equation...

BUT, Kilgore did beat Marshall 31-28...

Friday night, Reddic did his best equine impression, carrying the ball 53 times for 346 yards and three touchdowns to lead Kilgore to a see-saw 31-28 win over Marshall in a Class 4A, Division II, Region II bi-district playoff game at Maverick Stadium.

One of the things that killed Marshall against Neville was they did not have their dual treat QB for this game

I believe that QB did play , but wasn't 100 percent...

It wouldn't have mattered....Neville ran the ball down Marshall's throat....300 yards in the first half alone....Marshall had 23 yards and 1 first down in the first half...

Anyways, the last time Longview played Neville, La was 2004...Longview won 14-7 in the last couple of minutes...Neville was pretty good that year and so was Longview...

Longview
2004, 12-1 (6-0) - DII Regional Finalist
Date Opponent Stadium Town Result
Aug 27 vs Marshall (RE St. John Stadium) Win 40-15
Sept 3 @ Monroe Neville (Bill Ruple Stadium) Monroe, LA Win 14-7

As for Belle Chasse, maybe it was the weights you sold them...:rolleyes:

[steeler 01]

What part of Orange never led until the last ten minutes of the game did you not get? Notre Dame was about to go into the lead when the interception was thrown..........You must have been smokin that "purple". Just say no.....you miss good parts of the game and then some guy in Texas quotes Cali news articles on ya..........:rolleyes:

Lutheran missed a chip shot FG prior to Notre Dame driving to the Lutheran 35 yard line(Which is striking position, but far from saying they were gonna score for sure like you're saying.), and getting intercepted(3rd quarter). After Lutheran got the interception they proceeded to run the ball down Notre Dame's throat the rest of the quarter, and finished scoring a TD. Then stopped Notre Dame and tacked on a FG.

You stated Notre Dame led for most of the game. When they led probably for a total of 5-6 minutes in the game. The rest of the time the teams were tied. Lutheran led for 7 minutes in the game. Which in actuality would have had them ahead for a longer period in the game then Notre Dame.

[Hitman49]

I like to compare facts also...

Fact #1...Bastrop was pretty dang good (won the 4A Title here) in 2007...Gilmer was pretty dang good in Texas (played for a Title) in 2007 ....Richwood was 6-5 and gave up 50 in the 1st Round of the playoffs here...

Fact #2 (using Hitman49 logic)

4A Neville (La) beat 4A Marshall (TX) last year (2008) 42-13..

DeAndre Reed was tough for Marshall's defenders to find Friday night. And when they did find him, the speedy tailback was tough for them to bring down.

Reed rushed for 246 yards and three touchdowns on 25 carries, leading Monroe (La.) Neville to a 42-13 gashing of Marshall at Maverick Stadium.

The loss was the Mavericks (3-1) first of the year.

Neville racked up 428 total yards, including 368 rushing yards, to Marshall's 194 total yards ...


Neville (La) 42 beat Marshall (TX) 13....(29 point difference)
4A Longview(TX) beat Marshall (TX) 50-21....(29 point difference)
4A Sulphur Springs (TX) beat Marshall (TX) 57-36....(21 point difference)

Longview goes on to play for the 4A-I Title...(Loses)
Sulphur Springs wins the 4A-II 4A Title...

Looking at the point difference (your logic) between games played against Marshall it's safe to say Neville (La) could have possibly played in one of the 4A Texas Title games....Just going by "points", right?

Neville didn't get out of the 2nd round here in Louisiana...:eek:

Finals
Game 31
Belle Chasse 28
Archbishop Shaw (New Orleans) 7


Why didn't you mention how bad Liberty Hill TX beat Gilmer 38-13 in the title game. You also must remember that we have two divisions in each class once the playoffs starts. On any givin year either can be more tuff.
In that title game Liberty Hill never once passed the ball. However, they ran 57 times for 342 yards. They held Gilmer to 132 yards of offense.

That Gilmer team had RB Justin Johnson- went to OU- he returned the opening kickoff 77 yards for TD. They held him to 17 yards on 10 carries.

Gilmer also had good lineman- David Snow went to The Univ of Texas and actually started 2 or 3 games for the horns as freshman. Gilmer had another lineman that year that went to Univ. of Missouri.

I am sure they had another kid WR that either went to Texas A&M or he ended up going to OU.

That Liberty Hill team was really really good. I was told by other coaches from around the state that it would have taken a real good Texas 5A to beat them. Meaning they could play with just about anyone anywhere!!!

[E-Vol-ution]

That's fuzzy math dude........, fuzzy math.Lutheran missed a chip shot FG prior to Notre Dame driving to the Lutheran 35 yard line(Which is striking position, but far from saying they were gonna score for sure like you're saying.), and getting intercepted(3rd quarter). After Lutheran got the interception they proceeded to run the ball down Notre Dame's throat the rest of the quarter, and finished scoring a TD. Then stopped Notre Dame and tacked on a FG.

You stated Notre Dame led for most of the game. When they led probably for a total of 5-6 minutes in the game. The rest of the time the teams were tied. Lutheran led for 7 minutes in the game. Which in actuality would have had them ahead for a longer period in the game then Notre Dame.

[steeler 01]

That's fuzzy math dude........, fuzzy math.

You're a troll. You read some articles on the game, and now think you know more about a game, then someone who attended it. LMAO

[cajun]

Why didn't you mention how bad Liberty Hill TX beat Gilmer 38-13 in the title game.

I can't keep up with you, man...

Liberty Hill must have been pretty good...

You are kidding yourself though if you think Gilmer could have beaten Bastrop, La in 2007....

[Hitman49]

I didn't forget, it just doesn't fit into the equation....Neville, Longview, Sulphur Springs and Marshall are in the equation(you know, points)....Evangel and Kilgore not in the equation...

BUT, Kilgore did beat Marshall 31-28...

Friday night, Reddic did his best equine impression, carrying the ball 53 times for 346 yards and three touchdowns to lead Kilgore to a see-saw 31-28 win over Marshall in a Class 4A, Division II, Region II bi-district playoff game at Maverick Stadium.



I believe that QB did play , but wasn't 100 percent...

It wouldn't have mattered....Neville ran the ball down Marshall's throat....300 yards in the first half alone....Marshall had 23 yards and 1 first down in the first half...

Anyways, the last time Longview played Neville, La was 2004...Longview won 14-7 in the last couple of minutes...Neville was pretty good that year and so was Longview...

Longview
2004, 12-1 (6-0) - DII Regional Finalist
Date Opponent Stadium Town Result
Aug 27 vs Marshall (RE St. John Stadium) Win 40-15
Sept 3 @ Monroe Neville (Bill Ruple Stadium) Monroe, LA Win 14-7

As for Belle Chasse, maybe it was the weights you sold them...:rolleyes:

Also, go back and look at the playoff games involving Longview this past season. You can see some of that quality depth that i speak of...

[E-Vol-ution]

Do I need to show you the definition of troll?
All this soreness because you hate taking a backseat when it comes to quality depth in HS Football? You claimed Orange was a top ten team in Cali and they were blown out like a fart from a rhino by the best Cali teams?
Just like in politics...don't like the results come with a better candidate next time.
I'll quote from a source........damn those newspapers and Cali-preps.:)You're a troll. You read some articles on the game, and now think you know more about a game, then someone who attended it. LMAO

[steeler 01]

Do I need to show you the definition of troll?
All this soreness because you hate taking a backseat when it comes to quality depth in HS Football? You claimed Orange was a top ten team in Cali and they were blown out like a fart from a rhino by the best Cali teams?
Just like in politics...don't like the results come with a better candidate next time.
I'll quote from a source........damn those newspapers and Cali-preps.:)

Tesoro would have whooped on Notre Dame to. Tesoro was a horrible match up for Lutheran. Lutheran is a running team and Tesoro excelled at stopping the run and running the ball. Lutheran got blown out by 1 team, but of course you probably didn't know that either and said teams

Backseat to who? Just because you believe something doesn't make it true.

[Hitman49]

Daingerfield got blown out by Gilmer. I don't think I have to find a video to know how horrible they are.;)


9/26/08 Daingerfield vs. Gilmer (Gilmer, TX) 18-49 Gilmer

You are just stupid!!!!!!!!!!! I mentioned that in post already. Like I said you better bring your a game most weeks in this great state. Go look at some video. No Daingerfield does not have any talent, they have wr already committed to UT and this past weekend 6 different kids from there visited UT. You just keep pretending we don't have good football below 5A and some 4A. The rest of this board knows you are a fraud and we also know that you don't know a darn thing about Texas.

[Hitman49]

I can't keep up with you, man...

Liberty Hill must have been pretty good...

You are kidding yourself though if you think Gilmer could have beaten Bastrop, La in 2007....

Gilmer without question could have played with them. That Gilmer team had some big time Div 1 talent that was being recruited all over the country.

I was at Gilmer one day when the Michigan recruiter was in. He was this black coach who was orginally from LA. He wanted to see film on the big lineman that ended up going to UT. I am telling you he watched 3 plays and told the coach he could stop the film. Then he said we got ship for that kid if he is interested.

I totally believe Liberty Hill could have beat Bastrop in 07'

[steeler 01]

You are just stupid!!!!!!!!!!! I mentioned that in post already. Like I said you better bring your a game most weeks in this great state. Go look at some video. No Daingerfield does not have any talent, they have wr already committed to UT and this past weekend 6 different kids from there visited UT. You just keep pretending we don't have good football below 5A and some 4A. The rest of this board knows you are a fraud and we also know that you don't know a darn thing about Texas.

Who cares who visited UT. Last time I checked theirs 22 players on a team, not 6. So if you have 6 studs and 16 duds how good is you're team? Not to mention tons of kids visit colleges, and never get a scholarship offered. Hell if you go to some SC games you will see a ton of kids from the same H.S. attend, but never get offered.

[steeler 01]

Gilmer without question could have played with them. That Gilmer team had some big time Div 1 talent that was being recruited all over the country.

I was at Gilmer one day when the Michigan recruiter was in. He was this black coach who was orginally from LA. He wanted to see film on the big lineman that ended up going to UT. I am telling you he watched 3 plays and told the coach he could stop the film. Then he said we got ship for that kid if he is interested.

I totally believe Liberty Hill could have beat Bastrop in 07'

Like that's a surprise.:rolleyes:

[cajun]

Also, go back and look at the playoff games involving Longview this past season. You can see some of that quality depth that i speak of...

You are suppose to play quality teams in the "playoffs"...Neville, La got knocked out 2nd round here...Does that mean we have some depth?

Whatever the scores Longview and Sulphur Springs made it to Title Games...

Neville, Longview and Sulphur Springs had a common opponent...."Marshall"...

Longview crushed Sulphur Springs in the regular season, but Sulphur Springs wins the 4A-II 4A Title...Is that more quality depth?...:rolleyes:

Longview 32
Sulphur Springs 13

[rodjohns]

You guys need to talk about something else...your grounded...gimme your IPOD, Cell phone and go to your rooms...:mad:

[E-Vol-ution]

Prep your game before you post too much on this site.........you'll get eaten alive by some and get a kiss on the forehead with a pat on the butt by the rest...........
Damn those newpaper guys.......;)Tesoro would have whooped on Notre Dame to. Tesoro was a horrible match up for Lutheran. Lutheran is a running team and Tesoro excelled at stopping the run and running the ball. Lutheran got blown out by 1 team, but of course you probably didn't know that either and said teams

Backseat to who? Just because you believe something doesn't make it true.

[steeler 01]

Notre Dame thought nobody could stop the Kasdof to Flynn combo.......but still was beating Orange most of the game. .

You already got owned when you made this false statement. When in reality they only led for a part of the 2nd quarter.

And just to help you out the school is called Orange Lutheran not Orange. Orange is a different H.S.

A football game has 48 minutes. Leading for 6-8 minutes of the game is not most of the game. This would equate to 1/8 or 1/6 of the game. 12.5% or 16.66666666% of the game.

Now run along kid, and go dig some more articles up.

[cajun]

Gilmer without question could have played with them. That Gilmer team had some big time Div 1 talent that was being recruited all over the country.

I was at Gilmer one day when the Michigan recruiter was in. He was this black coach who was orginally from LA. He wanted to see film on the big lineman that ended up going to UT. I am telling you he watched 3 plays and told the coach he could stop the film. Then he said we got ship for that kid if he is interested.

Last thing I'm saying about it...

College recruiters live at Bastrop...If you wanna dismiss it, I can't stop you...

[E-Vol-ution]

Go ahead and get the last statement....Bet you're one of those guys posting "1st" in all these forums we see. My statement still holds true regardless.You already got owned when you made this false statement. When in reality they only led for a part of the 2nd quarter.

And just to help you out the school is called Orange Lutheran not Orange. Orange is a different H.S.

A football game has 48 minutes. Leading for 6-8 minutes of the game is not most of the game. This would equate to 1/8 or 1/6 of the game. 12.5% or 16.66666666% of the game.

Now run along kid, and go dig some more articles up.

[Hitman49]

Who cares who visited UT. Last time I checked theirs 22 players on a team, not 6. So if you have 6 studs and 16 duds how good is you're team? Not to mention tons of kids visit colleges, and never get a scholarship offered. Hell if you go to some SC games you will see a ton of kids from the same H.S. attend, but never get offered.

You steeler, have not spent much time in East Texas!!

I got another example of Texas Football Depth.

Let's go to 1A this past season

Canadian (13-1) Div 1 state champ
Canadian beat Oklahoma 4A Woodward 55-16 in oklahoma
Woodard OK lost to Glenpool (14-0) Oklahoma 4A State champs 37-6
Glenpool held 13 teams under 7 points and did not allow any score in 8 of those games.

Canadian lost to Stratford (14-1) TX 1A Div 2 state champs in week 7 (17-7)

Stratford was beat by TX 2A Bushland (10-1) 39-21

Steeler- TX depth is unmatched!!

[steeler 01]

You steeler, have not spent much time in East Texas!!

I got another example of Texas Football Depth.

Let's go to 1A this past season

Canadian (13-1) Div 1 state champ
Canadian beat Oklahoma 4A Woodward 55-16 in oklahoma
Woodard OK lost to Glenpool (14-0) Oklahoma 4A State champs 37-6
Glenpool held 13 teams under 7 points and did not allow any score in 8 of those games.

Canadian lost to Stratford (14-1) TX 1A Div 2 state champs in week 7 (17-7)

Stratford was beat by TX 2A Bushland (10-1) 39-21

Steeler- TX depth is unmatched!!

Woodward was 3-8 in Oklahoma, and you showing us that two teams blew them out by 30 proves what? Do you expect a team to win by 100 while another beats them by 30 to prove their better? Cajun already destroyed you're dumb point argument. I guess Neville in Louisiana would beat every team in 3A badly since we can make a link to show that.

Kilgore beat two of you're top teams in 3A last year. You're lower divisions suck.

[Hitman49]

You are suppose to play quality teams in the "playoffs"...Neville, La got knocked out 2nd round here...Does that mean we have some depth?

Whatever the scores Longview and Sulphur Springs made it to Title Games...

Neville, Longview and Sulphur Springs had a common opponent...."Marshall"...

Longview crushed Sulphur Springs in the regular season, but Sulphur Springs wins the 4A-II 4A Title...Is that more quality depth?...:rolleyes:

Longview 32
Sulphur Springs 13

Louisiana has some good football as do all states in the south. Those coaches we talked about from Longview and Kilgore who actually are from Louisiana told me personally, it is not that Texas teams are so much better on the top side; it is we have so many of them.

Do you guys really understand how our playoff system works and how we split our teams once the district is decided? When your a big state and just about every school district takes football serious, then you will have big time quality depth.

[Hitman49]

Woodward was 3-8 in Oklahoma, and you showing us that two teams blew them out by 30 proves what? Do you expect a team to win by 100 while another beats them by 30 to prove their better? Cajun already destroyed you're dumb point argument. I guess Neville in Louisiana would beat every team in 3A badly since we can make a link to show that.

Kilgore beat two of you're top teams in 3A last year. You're lower divisions suck.

I don't have problem with cajun. He makes his point and that is ok. You on the other hand saying our lower divisions suck is totally wrong. You just can't stand the fact that Texas is the High School Football King!!

[Canes0177]

Regarding most Florida teams mentioned......I noticed tremendous athletes, lack of efficient execution, Quarterbacks that were athletes who could not throw accurately (i.e. Pahokee, Apopka, Mad. Co.) and a total lack of the kicking game. These intangibles make a big difference when playing against the best opponents.

Apopka and Madison run the Wing T. In fact Apopka had 2 touchdown passes against South Panola. I'm sure that's the only game you've seen them play.

[Canes0177]

You steeler, have not spent much time in East Texas!!

I got another example of Texas Football Depth.

Let's go to 1A this past season

Canadian (13-1) Div 1 state champ
Canadian beat Oklahoma 4A Woodward 55-16 in oklahoma
Woodard OK lost to Glenpool (14-0) Oklahoma 4A State champs 37-6
Glenpool held 13 teams under 7 points and did not allow any score in 8 of those games.

Canadian lost to Stratford (14-1) TX 1A Div 2 state champs in week 7 (17-7)

Stratford was beat by TX 2A Bushland (10-1) 39-21

Steeler- TX depth is unmatched!!

Yeah. One wins by 39 and the other "only" wins by 31.

LOL.

It's not the facts that you have trouble with. It's the analysis of those facts that you've got wrong.

[steeler 01]

Regarding most Florida teams mentioned......I noticed tremendous athletes, lack of efficient execution, Quarterbacks that were athletes who could not throw accurately (i.e. Pahokee, Apopka, Mad. Co.) and a total lack of the kicking game. These intangibles make a big difference when playing against the best opponents.


Apopka and Madison run the Wing T. In fact Apopka had 2 touchdown passes against South Panola. I'm sure that's the only game you've seen them play.

I don't know if you watched 06 Cedar Hill Canes , but their offense had an athlete at QB running the show for them, who couldn't throw. They would spread teams out, and Will Cole would run draw after draw. That didn't make a difference against the best opponents in Texas that year. Since they went undefeated and won state.

[E-Vol-ution]

Watching the Apopka game and noticing four different occasions where the receivers were wide open and the QB couln't hit them was very noticeable....as was their inability to kick even so much as an extra point. That game was televised.....a 34 man team would be in for a lot of trouble against the best teams.........
Will Cole had horses in front of him too and a heck of a defense......that made a huge difference. That was no 35 man team either. No comparison except for the fact that Will Cole was an athlete...an exceptional one at that.I don't know if you watched 06 Cedar Hill Canes , but their offense had an athlete at QB running the show for them, who couldn't throw. They would spread teams out, and Will Cole would run draw after draw. That didn't make a difference against the best opponents in Texas that year. Since they went undefeated and won state.

[Canes0177]

Watching the Apopka game and noticing four different occasions where the receivers were wide open and the QB couln't hit them was very noticeable....as was their inability to kick even so much as an extra point. That game was televised.....a 34 man team would be in for a lot of trouble against the best teams.........
Will Cole had horses in front of him too and a heck of a defense......that made a huge difference. That was no 35 man team either. No comparison except for the fact that Will Cole was an athlete...an exceptional one at that.

Again they run the Wing T so they're not a sophisticated passing team.

And they were in a lot of trouble against the best teams here (lost 28-7 to Seminole).

[Hitman49]

Yeah. One wins by 39 and the other "only" wins by 31.

LOL.

It's not the facts that you have trouble with. It's the analysis of those facts that you've got wrong.

Yes, and it was Texas 1A that did that. Do you realize how small that is? Your boy friend Steeler is acting like small school football in Texas in his words "Sucks".

Cane- why is your team going to Ohio? They could have come over here to Texas! See, I consider your team very good. The only problem is your schools is private. I only have one problem with OOS private schools they get to play by different rules vs public schools. Nothing wrong with private schools, they should play in league with only private schools. If they can schedule public schools in non-league play, that is ok. We would like STA to make visit here.

Cajun- Just for the sport of it, go look up how many rushing yards Cedar Hill put on Cinn LaSalle OH in last years Herbie. Dude, it had to be painful!! Not that LaSalle was very good. That game was one sided enough as it was played, if CH had not fumbled 3 times the score would have been and should have been much more. What I personally enjoyed was the coach for LaSalle before the game mentioned it was not that LaSalle was so bad in Ohio (explaining lack of wins for his team) it is that they play in the best most competitive league in America.

[Hitman49]

Cedar Hill is loaded with great athletes both football and basketball.

At Cedar Hill from now own, " it is not if they will be good, but how good will they be."

[steeler 01]

Cajun- Just for the sport of it, go look up how many rushing yards Cedar Hill put on Cinn LaSalle OH in last years Herbie. Dude, it had to be painful!! Not that LaSalle was very good. That game was one sided enough as it was played, if CH had not fumbled 3 times the score would have been and should have been much more.

Cedar Hill lost two games last year(12-2) and went 4 rounds deep into the playoffs. Their losses were to the 5A II Finalist Wylie, and the other to Trinity. LaSalle was 4-6 with a couple of beat downs in Ohio. Bringing up anything to do with that game is pathetic.

Here's what La Salle did against two of the best teams in Ohio.

La Salle vs Elder (Cincinnati, OH) 0-31 Elder win
La Salle vs St. Ignatius (Cleveland, OH) 0-50 Iggy win

[Canes0177]

Yes, and it was Texas 1A that did that. Do you realize how small that is? Your boy friend Steeler is acting like small school football in Texas in his words "Sucks".

Cane- why is your team going to Ohio? They could have come over here to Texas! See, I consider your team very good. The only problem is your schools is private. I only have one problem with OOS private schools they get to play by different rules vs public schools. Nothing wrong with private schools, they should play in league with only private schools. If they can schedule public schools in non-league play, that is ok. We would like STA to make visit here.


We're going to Ohio because we had a good experience last year and they invited us to come back. Simple.

Playing in a private league would be no competition. I'm glad our state allows everybody to compete together.

[cajun]

it is we have so many of them.


:rolleyes:

Population of Louisiana: 4,293,204
Population of Texas: 23,904,380

[E-Vol-ution]

lol........we were also in the same district.
I don't know if you watched 06 Cedar Hill Canes , but their offense had an athlete at QB running the show for them, who couldn't throw. They would spread teams out, and Will Cole would run draw after draw. That didn't make a difference against the best opponents in Texas that year. Since they went undefeated and won state.

[steeler 01]

lol........we were also in the same district.
That was a pretty weak district in 06. 62-10 must have hurt.

[ftballin11]

That was a pretty weak district in 06. 62-10 must have hurt.

I think they had two very close games with Desoto in 06'.

[E-Vol-ution]

First year of our coach and system under Kenny Perry. We've kept the district title since then.........not the type thing that can happen where you are.....lol. That was one of the best districts in the state until realignment last year.

That was a pretty weak district in 06. 62-10 must have hurt.

[steeler 01]

First year of our coach and system under Kenny Perry. We've kept the district title since then.........not the type thing that can happen where you are.....lol. That was one of the best districts in the state until realignment last year.

It became one of the better district in 07, but in 06 it sucked.

[steeler 01]

I think they had two very close games with Desoto in 06'.

One close game, the other was a blow out.

Cedar Hill vs Desoto 40-37 Cedar Hill double O.T.
Cedar Hill vs Desoto 42-21 Cedar Hill was up 35-7 going into the 4th.

[RockinL]

You are suppose to play quality teams in the "playoffs"...Neville, La got knocked out 2nd round here...Does that mean we have some depth?

Whatever the scores Longview and Sulphur Springs made it to Title Games...

Neville, Longview and Sulphur Springs had a common opponent...."Marshall"...

Longview crushed Sulphur Springs in the regular season, but Sulphur Springs wins the 4A-II 4A Title...Is that more quality depth?...:rolleyes:

Longview 32
Sulphur Springs 13

Lake Travis would've beat Sulphur Springs worse than they beat Longview.

[Hitman49]

Cedar Hill lost two games last year(12-2) and went 4 rounds deep into the playoffs. Their losses were to the 5A II Finalist Wylie, and the other to Trinity. LaSalle was 4-6 with a couple of beat downs in Ohio. Bringing up anything to do with that game is pathetic.

Here's what La Salle did against two of the best teams in Ohio.

La Salle vs Elder (Cincinnati, OH) 0-31 Elder win
La Salle vs St. Ignatius (Cleveland, OH) 0-50 Iggy win


You do realize we have two divisions once the playoffs start and you must win 6 games in the playoffs before winning either state championship. In fact teams can easily play in one of the divisions this and the other next year. Elder and St. Ignatius were actually the two best teams in Ohio based on they played for the state championship.

When one team runs the ball for 480 something yards that is total domination!!

Why didn't you mention that LaSalle beat St. X .

And you a$$ W*** I mentioned that LaSalle was not very good!!

[Hitman49]

:rolleyes:

Population of Louisiana: 4,293,204
Population of Texas: 23,904,380

That is my point. You can't have depth like us with that population.

Are you sure they got everyone counted in Louisiana??

[33Blood]

That is my point. You can't have depth like us with that population.

Are you sure they got everyone counted in Louisiana??

Was that pre or post katrina? Last I checked we still had quite a few that need to get back.

[Canes0177]

You do realize we have two divisions once the playoffs start and you must win 6 games in the playoffs before winning either state championship. In fact teams can easily play in one of the divisions this and the other next year. Elder and St. Ignatius were actually the two best teams in Ohio based on they played for the state championship.

When one team runs the ball for 480 something yards that is total domination!!

Why didn't you mention that LaSalle beat St. X .

And you a$$ W*** I mentioned that LaSalle was not very good!!

What he's saying is that an ***-whooping is an ***-whooping regardless of the final score. Once you reach a certain point all ***-whoopings are the same.

And they beat LaSalle 31-0 and 50-0. No doubters all the way.

Who didn't beat St. X?

[steeler 01]

You do realize we have two divisions once the playoffs start and you must win 6 games in the playoffs before winning either state championship. In fact teams can easily play in one of the divisions this and the other next year. Elder and St. Ignatius were actually the two best teams in Ohio based on they played for the state championship.

When one team runs the ball for 480 something yards that is total domination!!

Why didn't you mention that LaSalle beat St. X .

And you a$$ W*** I mentioned that LaSalle was not very good!!


What he's saying is that an ***-whooping is an ***-whooping regardless of the final score. Once you reach a certain point all ***-whoopings are the same.

And they beat LaSalle 31-0 and 50-0. No doubters all the way.

Who didn't beat St. X?

St. X was 4-6. Why would I bring them up?

Glenville and St. Ignatius were the best teams in the state IMO in Ohio. Thing is since their in the same region, they have to meet before the finals.

St. Ignatius vs Glenville 17-20 Glenville Win
St. Ignatius vs Glenville 8-7 St. Ignatius Win

You have 2 divisions in Texas, and usually one of those isn't very good.

[steeler 01]

Double

[steeler 01]

What he's saying is that an ***-whooping is an ***-whooping regardless of the final score. Once you reach a certain point all ***-whoopings are the same.
Exactly, you can't take anything from two teams beating on a crappy team by 40. That team can be so horrible that even a crappy team can beat them by 40.

Here's an example of his stupid logic getting raped.

Paramount(4-6)vs Bellflower(2-8) 35-6 Paramount Win
Warren(8-4)vs Bellflower(2-8) 41-13 Warren Win

Paramount beat Bellflower by 29 points and Warren beat Bellflower by 28. According to Hitman's logic, these teams if they played would be a good game. Well they did, and here are the results.

Warren vs Paramount 28-7 Warren Win

You're logic didn't quite pan out.:eek:

[E-Vol-ution]

You make my point for me.....this can't happen in California......it's rare for one team and impossible for a district.
You have the same old thing...and it's not a lot of teams doing it.
Quick...name the last 20 champions out there.....not named Poly or De La Salle.
It became one of the better district in 07, but in 06 it sucked.

[steeler 01]

You make my point for me.....this can't happen in California......it's rare for one team and impossible for a district.
You have the same old thing...and it's not a lot of teams doing it.
Quick...name the last 20 champions out there.....not named Poly or De La Salle.

Here are the best teams the last couple of years. Last year you had Grant and CC at the top. 06 You have Oaks Christian and Orange Lutheran. 05 You have Dominguez, Canyon Country, or Bonnie. 04 You have Mission Viejo.

Now name me the best team in Texas every year for the last 7 years.;);):D

[steeler 01]

You make my point for me.....this can't happen in California......it's rare for one team and impossible for a district.
You have the same old thing...and it's not a lot of teams doing it.
Quick...name the last 20 champions out there.....not named Poly or De La Salle.


Here are the best teams the last couple of years. Last year you had Grant and CC at the top. 06 You have Oaks Christian and Orange Lutheran. 05 You have Dominguez, Canyon Country, or Bonnie. 04 You have Mission Viejo.

Now name me the best team in Texas every year for the last 7 years.;);):D

I'll go one further and say the last 9 years. I'll give you a hand.


08 Allen
07 Katy
06 SLC
05 SLC
04 SLC
03 GPNS(Katy was the division II champs, but everyone in Texas had GPNS as the best team.)
02 SLC
01 Lufkin and Mesquite
00 Katy

7 out of 9 times did Katy or SLC win championships the last 9 years. 6 out of 9 of those years were they considered the best team in the state of Texas.

There's a ton of variety there.:rolleyes: Do you post stuff with out thinking?

[E-Vol-ution]

Allen last year, Trinity'07, Cedar Hill '06, Trinity '05, Tyler Lee '04, North Shore '03, Judson '02, Mesquite and Lufkin '01......every year dude....That's Texas football, and many of those years there were other teams that easily could have been the winner...........
Name the best team in the state of Texas not named Carroll or Katy prior to last season.

Here are the best teams the last couple of years. Last year you had Grant and CC at the top. 06 You have Oaks Christian and Orange Lutheran. 05 You have Dominguez, Canyon Country, or Bonnie. 04 You have Mission Viejo.

Now name me the best team in Texas not named Carroll or Katy the last 7 years.;);):D

[E-Vol-ution]

There is a ton of variety............see my post.
Dude......how convenient you never mention Trinity.lol
I told you before about that fuzzy math.:rolleyes:I'll go one further and say the last 9 years. I'll give you a hand.


08 Allen
07 Katy
06 SLC
05 SLC
04 SLC
03 GPNS
02 SLC
01 Lufkin and Mesquite
00 Katy

There's a ton of variety there.:rolleyes:

[steeler 01]

There is a ton of variety............see my post.
Dude......how convenient you never mention Trinity.lol
I told you before about that fuzzy math.:rolleyes:

When was Trinity considered the best team in the state of Texas?

[steeler 01]

Allen last year, Trinity'07, Cedar Hill '06, Trinity '05, Tyler Lee '04, North Shore '03, Judson '02, Mesquite and Lufkin '01......every year dude....That's Texas football, and many of those years there were other teams that easily could have been the winner...........

You're showing the other champions. That weren't considered the best teams in the state of Texas. Who was the top ranked team in all of those years? Answer the question please.

[E-Vol-ution]

Duh...they were considered the best team in the country for most of last year..............That was Allen's only loss. The year before they dominated also.....and the debate has been hot on them and Katy in '07.
Heck...at least I read about the Cali teams I don't see, you on the contrary.........just breathe and type to be contrary.
When was Trinity considered the best team in the state of Texas?

[steeler 01]

Duh...they were considered the best team in the country for most of last year..............That was Allen's only loss. The year before they dominated also.....and the debate has been hot on them and Katy in '07.
Heck...at least I read about the Cali teams I don't see, you on the contrary.........just breathe and type to be contrary.

I should be slow with you. When did Trinity finish the season as the top ranked team in Texas?

[E-Vol-ution]

Allen was the top ranked team in the state of Texas last year........Sure SLC and Katy have their years........but other teams get in and win.....every year. Show me one year they both won.
You're showing the other champions. That weren't considered the best teams in the state of Texas. Who was the top ranked team in all of those years? Answer the question please.

[E-Vol-ution]

That is purely based on who you ask. I say '07.....look at the competition and their records. A Katy guy will say Katy.I should be slow with you. When did Trinity finish the season as the top ranked team in Texas?

[steeler 01]

Allen was the top ranked team in the state of Texas last year........Sure SLC and Katy have their years........but other teams get in and win.....every year. Show me one year they both won.

That could have only happened one time. Since every other year they were in the same division. They played each other in 2 finals. Had they both not been in the same division, maybe they both end up winning the title in these given years.

05 SLC/Katy
03 SLC/Katy

[steeler 01]

That is purely based on who you ask. I say '07.....look at the competition and their records. A Katy guy will say Katy.

I'd say 90 percent of Texas would say Katy was you're top ranked team in 07. Hell most Trinity fans that post on other boards say Katy was better.

[steeler 01]

Allen was the top ranked team in the state of Texas last year........Sure SLC and Katy have their years........but other teams get in and win.....every year. Show me one year they both won.

You're showing the other champions. That weren't considered the best teams in the state of Texas. Who was the top ranked team in all of those years? Answer the question please.

Thanks for not answering the question. Doesn't matter I already posted the teams that were considered the best team in Texas every year for the last 9 years.

[E-Vol-ution]

So now you're speculating that those two years......both of them could have won in different divisions had they not played each other.
What a crock!
Too bad you guys hand pick who plays every year...no playoff. It must suck being you.That could have only happened one time. Since every other year they were in the same division. They played each other in 2 finals. Had they both not been in the same division, maybe they both end up winning the title in these given years.

05 SLC/Katy
03 SLC/Katy

[E-Vol-ution]

Dude...take a nap and stay off the purple. I'm done trying to get you to see when you're blind.
Thanks for not answering the question. Doesn't matter I already posted the teams that were considered the best team in Texas every year for the last 9 years.

[steeler 01]

So now you're speculating that those two years......both of them could have won in different divisions had they not played each other.
What a crock!
Too bad you guys hand pick who plays every year...no playoff. It must suck being you.

I said they could have. Never did I say they would have, but you can't say they wouldn't have won the other division if they had been in it either.

[steeler 01]

Thanks for not answering the question. Doesn't matter I already posted the teams that were considered the best team in Texas every year for the last 9 years.

dude...take a nap and stay off the purple. I'm done trying to get you to see when you're blind.

pwned

[E-Vol-ution]

Had to get this in.....my Daddy used to say he could have been the first Black astronaut if he wasn't 6'4 and 300 lbs.
There are no could haves in Texas HS Football. Only in Cali........"If we could have been selected to play for the championship".
I said they could have. Never did I say they would have, but you can't say they wouldn't have won the other division if they had been in it either.

[RockinL]

You have 2 divisions in Texas, and usually one of those isn't very good.

Not very good? Compared to what??? The Huntington Beach surf team?? Ive seen more excitement at a low rider car show in Buena Park, than a California SS high school football game.

California has 10 football sections, and in totality, about 8 of them suck. Tell us about the wonderful Ca. playoff system.

Usually, for whatever reason, in Texas one division is sometimes stronger than the other. Not always. And it's usually D-2. Too say that one division "usually isnt very good", just further shows your hate for anything related to Texas and your lack of an ability to be unbiased. Quality is quality. Deal with it.


Youre talking out your a$$ Steeler. And spare me all the stats you're about to Google. I've seen most of the final Texas 5A playoff games the last 20 years, and you Californians can only hope that you one day have the depth that Texas has.


You're starting to sound like a Ca. Texas Frog.

[smw358]

not very good? Compared to what??? The huntington beach surf team?? ive seen more excitement at a low rider car show in buena park, than a california ss high school football game.

California has 10 football sections, and in totality, about 8 of them suck. Tell us about the wonderful ca. Playoff system.

Usually, for whatever reason, in texas one division is sometimes stronger than the other. Not always. And it's usually d-2. Too say that one division "usually isnt very good", just further shows your hate for anything related to texas and your lack of an ability to be unbiased. Quality is quality. Deal with it.


Youre talking out your a$$ steeler. And spare me all the stats you're about to google. I've seen most of the final texas 5a playoff games the last 20 years, and you californians can only hope that you one day have the depth that texas has.


You're starting to sound like a ca. Texas frog.


Daaaannnggg! :D

[TrinityTrojan80]

i'd say 90 percent of texas would say katy was you're top ranked team in 07. Hell most trinity fans that post on other boards say katy was better.

not!

[Canes0177]

Allen last year, Trinity'07, Cedar Hill '06, Trinity '05, Tyler Lee '04, North Shore '03, Judson '02, Mesquite and Lufkin '01......every year dude....That's Texas football, and many of those years there were other teams that easily could have been the winner...........

Laughable.

You didn't mention SLC one time.

2008: Allen
2007: Katy (undefeated vs. Trinity's 1 blowout loss)
2006: SLC
2005: SLC
2004: SLC
2003: GPNS
2002: SLC

[E-Vol-ution]

You must have totally missed the question. Let me place it again....it was to list any years in the past seven that anyone other than Katy or SLC has won state championships.
Now how about you tell me a year you have won anything that you didn't recruit. Heard y'all are getting a QB from California this year...Don't deny it, I already know this.
Understand that Lakeland is ready for you this year....inconsistancy a problem out there?Laughable.

You didn't mention SLC one time.

2008: Allen
2007: Katy (undefeated vs. Trinity's 1 blowout loss)
2006: SLC
2005: SLC
2004: SLC
2003: GPNS
2002: SLC

[Canes0177]

Posted courtesy of WOS87. This is for our friend E-volution who doesn't seem to understand recent Texas high school football history.

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[E-Vol-ution]

Reading is fundamental, comprehension is vital.......duh!Posted courtesy of WOS87. This is for our friend E-volution who doesn't seem to understand recent Texas high school football history.

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