View Full Version : Best Rb's in the state this year (CLASS OF 2010 ONLY!!!)
chapfan2008
02-07-2009, 12:44 AM
Only class of 2010 (current jrs, future srs) please.
Lache Seastrunk-Temple-5'10" 190
Everyone's seen those ridiculous highlight films. Many list him as a 4.5 type guy but Seastrunk is definitely a low 4.4 and can absolutely shock people with his speed. Not exactly a true between the tackles back that you can run the ball with 25 times a game. Definitely a Reggie Bush type as far as body structure, will top out around 200 pounds when drafted and never go much higher. Still, an explosive player with ridiculous athleticism that would really go good with comboed with a big back such as Whaley at Texas or Ford at LSU imo.
Dontae Williams-Aldine-6'0" 205
A downhill runner who can do it all with an outstanding runningback body. Catch out of the backfield, punish linebackers in the middle, or bounce it outside and take it to the house. Explosive player who commands a spot as the feature player in his college offense.
Traylon Shead-Cayuga-6'2" 205
A very tall rb who can do it all, very similar to Williams however a thinner frame with even more room for growth (and Williams already has alot). Not as much of a downhill tackler punisher as you might expect but I feel he's not afraid of that and can work to be quite the rb prospect. Put 300 yards on 10 carries in 1 game. Over 3,000 rushing yards 2 seasons in a row in small 1a Cayuga.
D.J. Jones-Denison-6'0" 220
I'm concerned with his speed (or lack thereof), looks quite slow on film. However a big, powerful back who can cut it to the outside when necessary but will make his money plowing over D Linemen and Linebackers.
Ben Malena-Cedar Hill-5'10" 200
Tough runner who may be a bit suspect due to his fantastic O Line this year. Still plays in a tough district with a good frame to boot and several offers.
Stephen Hopkins-Marcus-6'0" 220
Another tough runner who's a bit on the slow side but I see alot of upside to him, especially as an athletic fullback prospect who you can throw to often.
I COULD GO FOR SOME FILM
Je'Terian Douglas-Arlington Lamar-5'11" 175
Calvin Thompson-Vista Ridge-6'1" 200
Princeton Collins-Westwood-5'11" 185
Don't know much about him but performed well at the Army combine.
Chris Johnson-East Central-5'10" 210
Josh Bell-Kempner-5'11" 195
Wypirates03
02-07-2009, 03:06 AM
Nick Knott - Wylie - 5'10" 170
Fast kid who is pretty agile He's better at running side to side than downhill, but he can go downhill when necessary. Catches really well and can do a lot from the option. Currently being looked at by Wake Forest by multiple position coaches. RB, DB, and WR.
Haha...You know nothing of DJ Jones speed..That kid is one of the fastest RB's I watched play this season...and 220 for one isnt big on a 6ft frame...but the fact is, he isnt 220...closer to the 210 range. He had 85% of his yards by cutting and avoiding would be tacklers and flat out running people to pay dirt.
You really got me going on this DJ Jones thing...I seriuosly had to LMAO at the "being concerned with his speed or (lack thereof)" comment..
BWAHAHAHAHAHA...Not the best video but still..... No speed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRWok4hiG6w
E-Vol-ution
02-07-2009, 09:18 AM
Ky'ordric Black.......Tyler John Tyler. A little East Texas flavor. 5-8...185
and will be the next "great one". Bar none...........The only reason the kid may not end up being the best ever out of this school is because he's got to beat out Earl Campbell.
chapfan2008
02-07-2009, 11:51 AM
I didn't see he didn't have any, just that it wasn't elite rb speed.
And I've heard he is 220, absolute tree trunks for legs.
PirateParent2011
02-07-2009, 11:57 AM
Nick Knott - Wylie - 5'10" 170
Fast kid who is pretty agile He's better at running side to side than downhill, but he can go downhill when necessary. Catches really well and can do a lot from the option. Currently being looked at by Wake Forest by multiple position coaches. RB, DB, and WR.
Yep, love this kid's versatility! He never gives up on a play. Look for a big Sr. year from Nick. Here is some video from the 08 season (he's # 5)...
http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/videopage.html?nvid=310122&shu=1
http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/videopage.html?nvid=310991&shu=1
62tiger
02-07-2009, 12:26 PM
There is that little guy down at Katy.......Had a pretty good Jr year;)
I didn't see he didn't have any, just that it wasn't elite rb speed.
And I've heard he is 220, absolute tree trunks for legs.
Did you not watch that video I posted...He took the ball and outran everyone...and was still pulling away when he hit the endzone..and that was the game that he scored 8 tds and had 400 yards rushing.
NBC_43
02-07-2009, 03:33 PM
Yep, love this kid's versatility! He never gives up on a play. Look for a big Sr. year from Nick. Here is some video from the 08 season (he's # 5)...
http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/videopage.html?nvid=310122&shu=1
http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/videopage.html?nvid=310991&shu=1
Maaaaan he went airborne against CHILL
There is that little guy down at Katy.......Had a pretty good Jr year;)
and he didn't play RB until what? 4th game of the season?
Wypirates03
02-07-2009, 04:28 PM
Haha...You know nothing of DJ Jones speed..That kid is one of the fastest RB's I watched play this season...and 220 for one isnt big on a 6ft frame...but the fact is, he isnt 220...closer to the 210 range. He had 85% of his yards by cutting and avoiding would be tacklers and flat out running people to pay dirt.
The game I saw him play, against McKinney North, most of his yards was due to good blocking by the offensive line. He did have a great amount of breakaway speed and he showed that he can make cuts when he needs to... but mostly what I saw was power, not agility.
The game I saw him play, against McKinney North, most of his yards was due to good blocking by the offensive line. He did have a great amount of breakaway speed and he showed that he can make cuts when he needs to... but mostly what I saw was power, not agility.
Let it be said that he definately has power, but there is also no doubt that DJ has far and away better speed then he does power. Also, I would think that a RB would need to have a good line...any RB would to have 2600 yards rushing and 34 tds in a season...playing in the spead offfense.
Also, the game you watched, DJ was hurt for most of it.
mcneilmav
02-07-2009, 08:43 PM
Princeton Collins, RR Westwood, should be among the top 10 running backs next sesson. Honorable mention all-state 2008. Can run AND catch. Don't know how good Warriors will be next season but Collins is a talent.
Wypirates03
02-07-2009, 10:02 PM
Let it be said that he definately has power, but there is also no doubt that DJ has far and away better speed then he does power. Also, I would think that a RB would need to have a good line...any RB would to have 2600 yards rushing and 34 tds in a season...playing in the spead offfense.
Also, the game you watched, DJ was hurt for most of it.
I mean McKinney, not McKinney North... when you see 60+ games a year, some of them bleed together :)
AND... I was agreeing with you... lol
I mean McKinney, not McKinney North... when you see 60+ games a year, some of them bleed together :)
AND... I was agreeing with you... lol
Yea the McKinney game is the one he had 430 yds rushing and 8 tds. That game was about power and speed. Denison put that game on DJ's shoulders and told him to win it for them......and he did. Final score was 65-64.
Wypirates03
02-08-2009, 02:30 AM
Yea the McKinney game is the one he had 430 yds rushing and 8 tds. That game was about power and speed. Denison put that game on DJ's shoulders and told him to win it for them......and he did. Final score was 65-64.
Yeah, he was a beast that game. He had like 4 50+ yard runs in the first quarter, or so it seemed. I do remember his first being a 70 yard run, then him having a 67+ yard run later that game. Best game I think I've ever seen.
country club
02-08-2009, 10:30 AM
Princeton Collins, RR Westwood, should be among the top 10 running backs next sesson. Honorable mention all-state 2008. Can run AND catch. Don't know how good Warriors will be next season but Collins is a talent.
He does have talent and skills, but lack of a supporting cast may have a negative impact on him.
Yeah, he was a beast that game. He had like 4 50+ yard runs in the first quarter, or so it seemed. I do remember his first being a 70 yard run, then him having a 67+ yard run later that game. Best game I think I've ever seen.
Yea the thing about this kid and what he's doing at Denison and the records he is breaking is nothing short of amazing..and the reason is because they switched to the spread offense 3 seasons ago to get away from the power running attack they had at Denison for 50 years and it was suppose to make them more of a passing threat team and while that has certainly happend, what has also happend is the running game has just produced the best ever single season by a running back in Denison Yellowjacket history. That in and of itself is crazy because they have had some of the best running backs at Denison that the state has seen, especially over the last 20 or so years and then when you factor in that they now play in the spread attack when most of those before DJ played in the power I it becomes even more impressive what he's been able to do.
I thoroughly enjoy watching this young man perform his magic on the field and I realize I am biased and I admit that upfront, but he is a special talent and is one hell of a student and person before all else...and few will know that in Denison that is also about as big a deal as the numbers he's putting up on Friday nights. His challange will be to break the mold of the typical perception that has been created due to past actions of many who have played before him and have fallen prey to the life of crime that runs rampid in Denison because there is no doubt that the things he does between the goal posts appears to be second nature for him.
Dynastybegan86
02-08-2009, 03:56 PM
Yep, love this kid's versatility! He never gives up on a play. Look for a big Sr. year from Nick. Here is some video from the 08 season (he's # 5)...
http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/videopage.html?nvid=310122&shu=1
http://www.hsgametime.com/dfw/videopage.html?nvid=310991&shu=1
Where's the footage of him against Katy? Oh, nm, there were'nt any!:D
However, there is plenty of the Katy RB, just saying. Everyone seems blind to the few posts about him, which is strange.
Wypirates03
02-08-2009, 04:19 PM
Where's the footage of him against Katy? Oh, nm, there were'nt any!:D
However, there is plenty of the Katy RB, just saying. Everyone seems blind to the few posts about him, which is strange.
You can bring that game up all you want. We're over it.
querstions
02-08-2009, 06:27 PM
Only class of 2010 (current jrs, future srs) please.
Ben Malena-Cedar Hill-5'10" 200
Tough runner who may be a bit suspect due to his fantastic O Line this year. Still plays in a tough district with a good frame to boot and several offers.
He is a very good back, the best or the second best i have ever been around as far as a pure running back. He is a very patient zone runner and does a great job setting up the combo blocks for his lineman. He also can take a tiny hole and make good milage out of it. he has great balance and very good vision.
ibleedsilver
02-08-2009, 09:25 PM
I know Stephen Hopkins pretty well and most people dont kno he played almost the enitre season hurt and effected his speed quite a bit.
I also kno he is dedicating this off season and this summer to his speed and quickness.
62tiger
02-08-2009, 09:39 PM
You can bring that game up all you want. We're over it.
Just trying to give LT his due.....He outgained every big name we faced.
And I am not trying to disrespect any of the very good RB's that we played.......but everyone passes over him cuz of his size......This is not about the next level. The question pertained to next years best HS RB's.
We are just saying he should be in the conversation.
chapfan2008
02-08-2009, 10:19 PM
I know Stephen Hopkins pretty well and most people dont kno he played almost the enitre season hurt and effected his speed quite a bit.
I also kno he is dedicating this off season and this summer to his speed and quickness.
He's listed as a 4.65, it's not very arguable.
ibleedsilver
02-08-2009, 11:10 PM
that time was taken the spring of his sophmore season..but i do agree he isnt as fast as he needs to be and im sure he will open eyes next year with A LOT more speed
I know Stephen Hopkins pretty well and most people dont kno he played almost the enitre season hurt and effected his speed quite a bit.
I also kno he is dedicating this off season and this summer to his speed and quickness.
I'll tell ya this, he looked damn good against Carroll and if he was injured during that game, I would have hated to see what he looked like at 100%.:eek:
slcdragonfan
02-08-2009, 11:53 PM
I'll tell ya this, he looked damn good against Carroll and if he was injured during that game, I would have hated to see what he looked like at 100%.:eek:
Yeah, Hopkins was mighty against us. He busted up the middle like a freight train. Looking forward to seeing him again, hopefully he gets a bit fewer yards.
Yeah, Hopkins was mighty against us. He busted up the middle like a freight train. Looking forward to seeing him again, hopefully he gets a bit fewer yards.
No doubt about that. We have to limit the rushing yards this season. If our defense is on par with prior seasons, then we are going to be hell to stop.
mossad
02-09-2009, 09:04 AM
Really like the jeffry kid from katy. Quandre diggs from angleton is super fast but only stands 5'9 190 but he racked up 1400 yards on a few carries. Im sorry but angleton has some of the most dangerous running backs i have seen in a long time!
Rapture
02-09-2009, 09:06 AM
dada brown out of tyler lee!!!!! may be the best all-around in the state. great speed and agility and hands.
dada brown out of tyler lee!!!!! may be the best all-around in the state. great speed and agility and hands.
I give him props on his name alone.
BlakeJ
02-09-2009, 10:00 AM
Kendrick Perkins, LT, Malena kid, Knott is said to be good...only seen him the one game and didnt impress.
In the end Malena and DJ Jones have the numbers. I was just looking...did a 2008 Sophmore from Trinity really have 20 TDs last year?? Tevin Williams?? Wow!!
E-Vol-ution
02-09-2009, 10:05 AM
Malena is the real deal. Tough nosed, good balance and power.
Wiiliams is a very good back (remember, he took the starting spot from a guy that signed with Nebraska as a junior) who transferred from Arlington Bowie after his freshman year. He runs good and rarely coughs it up.
Kendrick Perkins, LT, Malena kid, Knott is said to be good...only seen him the one game and didnt impress.
In the end Malena and DJ Jones have the numbers. I was just looking...did a 2008 Sophmore from Trinity really have 20 TDs last year?? Tevin Williams?? Wow!!
slcdragonfan
02-09-2009, 10:59 AM
Tevin Williams = very impressive. But he is class of 2011. Watch for him this coming year. He would have had much more but Trinity has such a grand stable of backs he rotated for a good part of the year.
LoboBooster73
02-09-2009, 11:09 AM
dada brown out of tyler lee!!!!! may be the best all-around in the state. great speed and agility and hands.
Although undersized, he's very quick to the outside. Tyler McCray out of Longview is also poised for a great senior season.
Rapture
02-09-2009, 12:20 PM
i give him props on his name alone. i bet lol
Rapture
02-09-2009, 12:22 PM
Although undersized, he's very quick to the outside. Tyler McCray out of Longview is also poised for a great senior season.
yes mccray is very impressive
PirateParent2011
02-09-2009, 09:30 PM
Where's the footage of him against Katy? Oh, nm, there were'nt any!:D
However, there is plenty of the Katy RB, just saying. Everyone seems blind to the few posts about him, which is strange.
Katy's defense shutdown Wylie's "O"...everyone knows that. That still doesn't mean Knott is not an outstanding RB. His numbers last year show that he is and he should have a big Sr. year in 2009.
mojo4life
02-09-2009, 11:11 PM
De- Anthony Fey oops he was a soph last year,,,pretty much Sherards equal untill Sherard took off and that was the end of the shared carries as it should have been,,,,,,,,,,I hope he hits the weights as hard as Sherard did in the offseason if he does he will be a monster the next two yrs.. I thought he pushed Sherard to be better; and boy did sherard except the challenge..............
Wypirates03
02-09-2009, 11:18 PM
Katy's defense shutdown Wylie's "O"...everyone knows that. That still doesn't mean Knott is not an outstanding RB. His numbers last year show that he is and he should have a big Sr. year in 2009.
I'm sure if we were to bunch up 10 guys like Katy does and have them all block in the same direction, he'd have some great numbers :notworthy
Dynastybegan86
02-10-2009, 01:48 AM
Katy's defense shutdown Wylie's "O"...everyone knows that. That still doesn't mean Knott is not an outstanding RB. His numbers last year show that he is and he should have a big Sr. year in 2009.
No doubt he will be good, I was just messin'(:D) and trying to get Katy's RB some love. Unfortunately, still none:confused:
Wypirates03
02-10-2009, 03:20 AM
No doubt he will be good, I was just messin'(:D) and trying to get Katy's RB some love. Unfortunately, still none:confused:
No offense, but you're RB is a product of the system. It's a rushing game, and there's a lot of misdirection and/or zone blocking that opens up a ton of holes. I'd have to watch him in person to make an accurate assumption of his skill level/potential. Since I have not seen him live, I will not do so.
SamRizzle
02-10-2009, 05:58 AM
Marcus Murphy out of DeSoto should have a great year!
yallerjacket2
02-10-2009, 06:09 AM
Yea the thing about this kid and what he's doing at Denison and the records he is breaking is nothing short of amazing..and the reason is because they switched to the spread offense 3 seasons ago to get away from the power running attack they had at Denison for 50 years and it was suppose to make them more of a passing threat team and while that has certainly happend, what has also happend is the running game has just produced the best ever single season by a running back in Denison Yellowjacket history. That in and of itself is crazy because they have had some of the best running backs at Denison that the state has seen, especially over the last 20 or so years and then when you factor in that they now play in the spread attack when most of those before DJ played in the power I it becomes even more impressive what he's been able to do.
I thoroughly enjoy watching this young man perform his magic on the field and I realize I am biased and I admit that upfront, but he is a special talent and is one hell of a student and person before all else...and few will know that in Denison that is also about as big a deal as the numbers he's putting up on Friday nights. His challange will be to break the mold of the typical perception that has been created due to past actions of many who have played before him and have fallen prey to the life of crime that runs rampid in Denison because there is no doubt that the things he does between the goal posts appears to be second nature for him.
SLC, are you from Denison? Seems like you know an awful lot about the Jackets (and Bearcats).
You're right about DJ. When he is healthy, I've never seen anybody come close to running him down from behind. And I hope he realizes the gift he has and chooses to do something with it.
I'm sure if we were to bunch up 10 guys like Katy does and have them all block in the same direction, he'd have some great numbers :notworthy
It's call Rushing the ball......with many teams running some sort of variation of the spread now, seems to be forgotten. I keep watching the DVD...man the blocking is a thing of beauty...nothing like seeing the QB downfield leveling a guy as the RB crosses the goal line. You have to keep your head on a swivel....
Wagnerdad
02-10-2009, 07:27 AM
David Glasco Wagner Jr. 5'11" 188 lbs, 4.5 40. Rushed for 1500 yds. Played on a school team that is 3 years old. Looking for a breakout season from him. Check him out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kMkqTbWn9w
SLC, are you from Denison? Seems like you know an awful lot about the Jackets (and Bearcats).
You're right about DJ. When he is healthy, I've never seen anybody come close to running him down from behind. And I hope he realizes the gift he has and chooses to do something with it.
Yes sir...Lived almost my entire life in Denison, I now live in Sherman. I am a graduate of Denison High School and my wife is a graduate of Sherman High School (makes for very interesting Battle of the Axe games).
DJ has some of that once in a life time kinda talent. You're just not suppose to be able to do the things he does in a spread offense. He's been blessed with some very good offensive linemen like Chris, Corey, Reggie and many others for sure, but they all are and were very talented. I give DJ the edge because those before him played in an offense that was condusive to very good numbers by a RB. He certainly seems to have his head screwed on right and I think he will succeed where the others have fell short. I would not be suprised, infact I am expecting, to see him playing in the NFL in the future...he's that kinda special.
PirateParent2011
02-10-2009, 10:41 AM
No doubt he will be good, I was just messin'(:D) and trying to get Katy's RB some love. Unfortunately, still none:confused:
Which RB...Jeffery or Webber?
Dynastybegan86
02-10-2009, 10:48 AM
Which RB...Jeffery or Webber?
Well seeing that Webber was class of 09;)
Dynastybegan86
02-10-2009, 10:53 AM
No offense, but you're RB is a product of the system. It's a rushing game, and there's a lot of misdirection and/or zone blocking that opens up a ton of holes. I'd have to watch him in person to make an accurate assumption of his skill level/potential. Since I have not seen him live, I will not do so.
Do you understand football?:eek: Yes, you are correct it is a rushing attack. However, #4 is no system back with his speed and agility. The attack does favor a RB, and he does his job and gains the yards by following his blockers and looking for the creases. That's football bro!;) It's his instincts and speed that should get the attention. No offense, but every Rb is a system back with what you are saying. :)
PirateParent2011
02-10-2009, 11:01 AM
Well seeing that Webber was class of 09;)
Sorry, I didn't know which one graduates this year! :D
Jeffery was very impressive when I saw him at the state game. I would love to see how he would do in a spread formation. He did get great blocking in the Pro Set that Katy runs.
How times have changed....now running backs are "products of the system" wow.
E-Vol-ution
02-10-2009, 11:16 AM
Many haters reserve that term for a dominant kid (while hating)on an opposing team....like Burkhead or Whitlock......lol
Note....no guy on your team can ever be one!:rolleyes:
How times have changed....now running backs are "products of the system" wow.
Many haters reserve that term for a dominant kid (while hating)on an opposing team....like Burkhead or Whitlock......lol
Note....no guy on your team can ever be one!:rolleyes:
I've heard of QB's being products of the system....but never RB.
E-Vol-ution
02-10-2009, 11:27 AM
Closest real thing to it would be what they call the guys that seem to excel in Denver's offense. I'm not a fan of the term.
I've heard of QB's being products of the system....but never RB.
Closest real thing to it would be what they call the guys that seem to excel in Denver's offense. I'm not a fan of the term.
Was Emmit Smith a product of the system? Would he have faired the same in Detroit's run and shoot? Would Barry have done with a FB in a rush offense?
I don't think a RB can be A "product of a system"....but that's just me. either a guy is a good rb...or not.
Dynastybegan86
02-10-2009, 09:24 PM
Was Emmit Smith a product of the system? Would he have faired the same in Detroit's run and shoot? Would Barry have done with a FB in a rush offense?
I don't think a RB can be A "product of a system"....but that's just me. either a guy is a good rb...or not.
Yes he was! He had great blocking and that opens a lot of holes for him! You have no idea what you're talking about!:cool:
chapfan2008
02-10-2009, 10:13 PM
Marcus Murphy out of DeSoto should have a great year!
Heard some really good things about him.
marcusdrillmom
02-11-2009, 02:43 PM
Stephen Hopkins is just so fun to watch! While his speed might not have been as fast this year, he is just such a powerful kid. Hoping to see him put up many, many yards next fall!
Dada Brown from Tyler Lee is very fast he will be a top RB this year.
kiest05
02-13-2009, 01:04 AM
ben malena hands down not taking anyting away from ta other rb's but malena is the truth
SamRizzle
02-13-2009, 03:51 AM
Heard some really good things about him.
Could be the best overall athlete on a team that has a ton of them. Might not bet the farm on De Soto for next season, but with Murphy in the backfield and Polite playing with another year under his belt, the Eagles should be markedly better than 6-6.
odessapermian.com
02-13-2009, 04:50 AM
De- Anthony Fey oops he was a soph last year,,,pretty much Sherards equal untill Sherard took off and that was the end of the shared carries as it should have been,,,,,,,,,,I hope he hits the weights as hard as Sherard did in the offseason if he does he will be a monster the next two yrs.. I thought he pushed Sherard to be better; and boy did sherard except the challenge..............
Keep your eye on a kid named Greg George, who played on the JV Black last year. He had lived in Odessa, moved to Andrews, then moved back before last season. He wasn't real big (5'7" 155# or so) but man is he fast.
sportsjunkie40
02-15-2009, 09:20 PM
Do you understand football?:eek: Yes, you are correct it is a rushing attack. However, #4 is no system back with his speed and agility. The attack does favor a RB, and he does his job and gains the yards by following his blockers and looking for the creases. That's football bro!;) It's his instincts and speed that should get the attention. No offense, but every Rb is a system back with what you are saying. :)
Jeffery #4 is a great runner. He killed us (Wylie) with great cutback moves and instincts...you cant teach or coach that. I would agree that it is silly to say things like (product of the system) when your talking about a running back.....running the football is how you win games.
chapfan2008
02-15-2009, 10:20 PM
Keep your eye on a kid named Greg George, who played on the JV Black last year. He had lived in Odessa, moved to Andrews, then moved back before last season. He wasn't real big (5'7" 155# or so) but man is he fast.
Did you really just mention a kid who is 5'7" 155 (if you mention Jacquizz Rogers I'll kill you), and was on jv his jr year?
Jeffery #4 is a great runner. He killed us (Wylie) with great cutback moves and instincts...you cant teach or coach that. I would agree that it is silly to say things like (product of the system) when your talking about a running back.....running the football is how you win games.
We were talking about the same thing friday(62tiger and I)..he just changes direction without missing a step.....in perfct stride like a gazelle or something. Then you add into the fact that he's about 5'7 tops....he uses his lineman...he usually has holds on to the back of their jerseys until he sees a crease...by the time you find him he's 10 yards down field.
Looking back, if he's not tackled in the backfield, it's usually a first down. He's not they typical bruiser that you associate with Katy....he and vernon jeffries will be a great tandum if the O line stays to form.
odessapermian.com
02-16-2009, 09:17 AM
Keep your eye on a kid named Greg George, who played on the JV Black last year. He had lived in Odessa, moved to Andrews, then moved back before last season. He wasn't real big (5'7" 155# or so) but man is he fast.
Nm
odessapermian.com
02-16-2009, 09:19 AM
Did you really just mention a kid who is 5'7" 155 (if you mention Jacquizz Rogers I'll kill you), and was on jv his jr year?
Yes I did, but not for your viewing pleasure. I was replying to one of our fans about a sophomore.
mojo4life
02-16-2009, 11:02 AM
Yes I did, but not for your viewing pleasure. I was replying to one of our fans about a sophomore.
Thanks OP . looks like we have two "great" up and coming coming runners for the state to contend with..................
longhorn3
02-17-2009, 03:54 PM
For those about to rock, we salute you: check this kid out...Aaron Green SA Madison..talk about break away speed? look at what he does when he hits that extra gear. elusive as heck as well...Stoops was here to see another player at madison but who do you really think he was there to see? we all know it was Aaron Green. Best RB in the state..9 td's one game..come get some
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5DDClfQws0
svhorns
02-17-2009, 03:56 PM
For those about to rock, we salute you: check this kid out...Aaron Green SA Madison..talk about break away speed? look at what he does when he hits that extra gear. elusive as heck as well...Stoops was here to see another player at madison but who do you really think he was there to see? we all know it was Aaron Green. Best RB in the state..9 td's one game..come get some
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5DDClfQws0
Aaron Green is 2011 not 2010... good try though..
chapfan2008
02-17-2009, 06:13 PM
Aaron Green is 2011 not 2010... good try though..
Thanks for breaking it to him more calmly than I was about to.
Not to pull a thread jack but you don't have to go very far to find a better back in 2011 than Green;). I give Green props for sure though.
longhorn3
02-17-2009, 10:34 PM
Aaron Green is 2011 not 2010... good try though..
He actually graduates in dec. 2010..bet you didnt know that!!!!!!extra summer classes
chapfan2008
02-17-2009, 11:40 PM
Wow. He still counts as a 2011 prospect.
chapfan2008
02-18-2009, 12:50 AM
ben malena hands down not taking anyting away from ta other rb's but malena is the truth
He looks good but his speed and frame are suspect and he was running behind THE best guard in the COUNTRY and another 4 star offensive linemen last year so I'm not exactly totally convinced about him. I like his film though.
E-Vol-ution
02-18-2009, 06:42 AM
Frame? Please explain.......the kid benched 400 lbs last year. He has outstanding balance and his feet keep moving.....you think he's down and he's still going...forward. Dude gets up like Jason.....I've seen him take tremendous shots. But you're right about one thing...he's not a blazer.He looks good but his speed and frame are suspect and he was running behind THE best guard in the COUNTRY and another 4 star offensive linemen last year so I'm not exactly totally convinced about him. I like his film though.
Wagnerdad
02-18-2009, 09:01 AM
For those about to rock, we salute you: check this kid out...Aaron Green SA Madison..talk about break away speed? look at what he does when he hits that extra gear. elusive as heck as well...Stoops was here to see another player at madison but who do you really think he was there to see? we all know it was Aaron Green. Best RB in the state..9 td's one game..come get some
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5DDClfQws0
2nd best back in SA 2011!! Malcolm Brown #1, Stoops was here to see him!!
5ATX Futbol
02-18-2009, 02:07 PM
Young Kyle Moerbe of Klein Oak High School will become one of the absolute greatest in the state of Texas. His raw power and speed combined with "Flash-esque" agility have vaulted him into the realm of elite status, making the name Moerbe a euphimism for "Bad:Censor: Back"
SamRizzle
02-18-2009, 02:17 PM
2nd best back in SA 2011!! Malcolm Brown #1, Stoops was here to see him!!
You're comparing apples to oranges when you talk about Brown and Green.
One's a power runner, one's a speedster. Not surprised to hear OU is looking at Brown.
Central Texas is spoiled to have two kids in the same class that are that talented.
Now....... back to 2010!
Bottomline
02-18-2009, 02:20 PM
Stoops has been making the rounds in S.A looking at those two elite RB's ... Spent the day at Madison as well as Major Applewhite.
chapfan2008
02-18-2009, 06:13 PM
You're comparing apples to oranges when you talk about Brown and Green.
One's a power runner, one's a speedster. Not surprised to hear OU is looking at Brown.
Central Texas is spoiled to have two kids in the same class that are that talented.
Now....... back to 2010!
In a way it is (like comparing....), but they're still runningbacks. You can't call Brown a power runner exclusively though. I see him as the next Adrian Peterson in EVERY way, he even lookes like Peterson. Brown has the size, AND speed not to mention that absolute hammer mentality.
Wagnerdad
02-19-2009, 08:10 AM
You're comparing apples to oranges when you talk about Brown and Green.
One's a power runner, one's a speedster. Not surprised to hear OU is looking at Brown.
Central Texas is spoiled to have two kids in the same class that are that talented.
Now....... back to 2010!
To me they are 2 totally different runners!! Brown goes up the middle and is more of a downhill runner than Green. Brown also has quite a bit of speed as well as he punishes tacklers. This isn't to say Green isn't a good runner, just different. Check him out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4rKW9yjkV8
kiest05
02-19-2009, 10:30 AM
He looks good but his speed and frame are suspect and he was running behind THE best guard in the COUNTRY and another 4 star offensive linemen last year so I'm not exactly totally convinced about him. I like his film though.
Well #1 he was not running behind the best guard in the country i very,very, very good one but not tha best,#2 you must havent seen him in person b/c frame is not a factor,#3 if you really watch is run's how many of them are there were he does not have to break 4 or 5 tackles before he can turn up filed and malena runs a 4.4 wit no problem and has ran a 4.3 many times so speed no question so i think some homework needs to be done on your end:D
Bottomline
02-19-2009, 10:49 AM
IMO, Brown is more of a Peterson type of runner while Aaron is more of a Barry Sanders mode. Either way, BOTH have GREAT futures ahead of them. You can not compare them based on yds. per game or ytd TD's as both do play in entirely different districts but lucky for NEISD opponents, they won't be facing Brown anytime soon as they will already have their hands full with Aaron for at least the next two seasons. :notworthy to both ! .... With re-zoning, Will Steele be in 26-5A anytime in the neart future ? :eek:
slcdragonfan
02-19-2009, 04:02 PM
Well #1 he was not running behind the best guard in the country i very,very, very good one but not tha best,#2 you must havent seen him in person b/c frame is not a factor,#3 if you really watch is run's how many of them are there were he does not have to break 4 or 5 tackles before he can turn up filed and malena runs a 4.4 wit no problem and has ran a 4.3 many times so speed no question so i think some homework needs to be done on your end:D
To be honest with you, I agree with chapfan on this one, and I DID see him in the playoff game against us. He had an outstanding O-Line and that makes a difference. For now, I prefer Hopkins of the backs seen in person. Not that Malena isn't a good back, but he didn't jump out at me like some have.
dragonpants
02-19-2009, 04:06 PM
To be honest with you, I agree with chapfan on this one, and I DID see him in the playoff game against us. He had an outstanding O-Line and that makes a difference. For now, I prefer Hopkins of the backs seen in person. Not that Malena isn't a good back, but he didn't jump out at me like some have.
Hopkins is the best back in the state. Not even close. Hands down no one even close. There are some great backs he is leaps and bounds better than all of them and do not even start on the kid from Temple. He is fast, a great sprinter but not as good of a football player as Hopkins.
For those of you who think he is not fast you are crazy. I do not know where you are getting your info from. Do not even start on the 40 yard time crap he will run away from you defenders even your speedy dbacks.
slcdragonfan
02-19-2009, 04:11 PM
Hopkins is the best back in the state. Not even close. Hands down no one even close. There are some great backs he is leaps and bounds better than all of them and do not even start on the kid from Temple. He is fast, a great sprinter but not as good of a football player as Hopkins.
I've seen Green (SA) on TV, and I believe I saw Seastrunk (Temple) on TV as well, maybe a review of him, both looked very good. But I agree with you as far as the backs I have seen. Hopkins was just outstanding. I would like to see him against Katy this year, didn't they stuff him last year?
Tevin Williams is someone to watch, but again, class of 2011. Green is 2011 as well.
dragonpants
02-19-2009, 04:15 PM
I've seen Green (SA) on TV, and I believe I saw Seastrunk (Temple) on TV as well, maybe a review of him, both looked very good. But I agree with you as far as the backs I have seen. Hopkins was just outstanding. I would like to see him against Katy this year, didn't they stuff him last year?
Tevin Williams is someone to watch, but again, class of 2011. Green is 2011 as well.
Do not know about Katy stuffing him. I am sure we can find the box score somewhere.
KT2000
02-19-2009, 04:16 PM
Do not know about Katy stuffing him. I am sure we can find the box score somewhere.
Hopkins had 20 or so carries for 40 or so yards.
KT2000
02-19-2009, 04:18 PM
Hopkins had 20 or so carries for 40 or so yards.
I shorted him. 21 carries, 54 yards and no TDs by one count.
62tiger
02-19-2009, 05:11 PM
I shorted him. 21 carries, 54 yards and no TDs by one count.
Have seen 19 carries for 48 and another for 49yds. Either way......he was stuffed
slcdragonfan
02-19-2009, 05:17 PM
I think I also heard he was injured for that game and played quite a bit of the season injured. But, still think he is a great back and we'll see how he does against a great Katy rushing defense.
I like him. A lot.
Bottomline
02-19-2009, 05:23 PM
Hopkins is the best back in the state. Not even close. Hands down no one even close. There are some great backs he is leaps and bounds better than all of them and do not even start on the kid from Temple. He is fast, a great sprinter but not as good of a football player as Hopkins.
For those of you who think he is not fast you are crazy. I do not know where you are getting your info from. Do not even start on the 40 yard time crap he will run away from you defenders even your speedy dbacks.
Is there anything on Hopkins on youtube ?
62tiger
02-19-2009, 05:27 PM
I think I also heard he was injured for that game and played quite a bit of the season injured. But, still think he is a great back and we'll see how he does against a great Katy rushing defense.
I like him. A lot.
You may be right. He did not look like I expected. Had very good size tho. Will be a great test for our D.
We will find out a lot about our D the 1st 3 weeks.......Woods(NS), Lasco(TWHS) and Hopkins. Gonna be some sore shoulders!
KT2000
02-19-2009, 05:38 PM
I think I also heard he was injured for that game and played quite a bit of the season injured. But, still think he is a great back and we'll see how he does against a great Katy rushing defense.
I like him. A lot.
You can tell he's a player just by looking at him. I think his struggles in that particular game were more due to his offensive line than anything else. No back can run without space. Marcus never got a surge going despite outweighing Katy's defensive front at least 70 pounds per man. Their OL was enormous, but did not get off the ball well that day. Although the schemes are different, it was similar to the Wylie game in that Marcus didn't handle Katy's quickness very well.
longhorn3
02-19-2009, 11:03 PM
2nd best back in SA 2011!! Malcolm Brown #1, Stoops was here to see him!!
My only question about brown compared to green is the following: Big difference to do that against 4a schools as compared to 5a schools..just look at what green did against the one 4a school they faced? set all kinds of records in that one game...Brown is a hoss and stud but he is not facing near the same caliber of defenses as green is?
chapfan2008
02-19-2009, 11:55 PM
I'm responding to several comments without quoting so bear with me.
Malena's film really is awesome but his 5'9.5" frame is soooooo filled out. Nothing wrong with a thick runningback (like Jones or Hopkins), but I mean Malena is only 200.
If you like following recruiting get a rivals subscription and watch Hopkins' profile film.
Green's not NEARLY as physical as Brown, it's not even close. 4a or not, wouldn't matter. Brown is an animal and he just looks to absolutely demolish dt's, lb's, and safeties as much as he possibly can. All the while still being able to take it outside and make the big play.
chapfan2008
02-19-2009, 11:58 PM
Well #1 he was not running behind the best guard in the country i very,very, very good one but not tha best,#2 you must havent seen him in person b/c frame is not a factor,#3 if you really watch is run's how many of them are there were he does not have to break 4 or 5 tackles before he can turn up filed and malena runs a 4.4 wit no problem and has ran a 4.3 many times so speed no question so i think some homework needs to be done on your end:D
His speed is the NUMBER ONE thing that's been questioned by scouts. Please just stop homering or whatever that was. Read my above post about his frame.
Name a guard better than Adam Shead, I can't even name one in college.
chapfan2008
02-20-2009, 12:01 AM
Hopkins is the best back in the state. Not even close. Hands down no one even close. There are some great backs he is leaps and bounds better than all of them and do not even start on the kid from Temple. He is fast, a great sprinter but not as good of a football player as Hopkins.
For those of you who think he is not fast you are crazy. I do not know where you are getting your info from. Do not even start on the 40 yard time crap he will run away from you defenders even your speedy dbacks.
Please don't make generalizations like that. Hopkins is not "leaps and bounds better" than any "great backs". I like him alot and I don't want to seem like I'm devaluing him at all but hes nowhere close to best back in the state just yet.
slcdragonfan
02-20-2009, 01:39 AM
I'm responding to several comments without quoting so bear with me.
Malena's film really is awesome but his 5'9.5" frame is soooooo filled out. Nothing wrong with a thick runningback (like Jones or Hopkins), but I mean Malena is only 200.
If you like following recruiting get a rivals subscription and watch Hopkins' profile film.
Green's not NEARLY as physical as Brown, it's not even close. 4a or not, wouldn't matter. Brown is an animal and he just looks to absolutely demolish dt's, lb's, and safeties as much as he possibly can. All the while still being able to take it outside and make the big play.
Can you provide a summary of what the film indicates?
Bottomline
02-20-2009, 10:24 AM
Green's not NEARLY as physical as Brown, it's not even close. 4a or not, wouldn't matter. Brown is an animal and he just looks to absolutely demolish dt's, lb's, and safeties as much as he possibly can. All the while still being able to take it outside and make the big play.
I understand how impressive a power runner can be but if a RB can fake you out of your shoes and flat out outrun you to the goal line, what would he be proving by shorteninig his run to try to run over a LB or lineman ? Earl Campbell is one of the greatest RB of all time, look at him today ? Look at how much he shorten his career by " demolishing DT's and LB's ".Tony Dorsett had a great career and he can walk with no problem today as can Barry Sanders and Emmit Smith. Give me a power runner in the red zone ... Bettis, Jacobs, Sam Cunnigham and give me an elusive RB like Dorsett, Sanders or LT for longevity and someone I can get more out of. I am not saying Brown Can't outrun people , we all know he can but as for eluesiveness i'll take Green. better yet, I'll take both of them . Both are great kids and they will make S.A an exciting place for the scouts to come watch them play the next two years and hopefully they will discover some other great players in the area while they're here.
Bottomline
02-20-2009, 10:50 AM
4a or not, wouldn't matter..
With all due respect to the districts, you've gotta admit ... ANY RB in 26-5A who rushed for 200 yds in district play against the likes of NB, Reagan, TR or SV would be a little more impressive than having done it against San Marcos, Canyon or Jefferson. That's why I said that when a comparrison is made between the two RB's, lets leave out the stats. Again, both will be playing at the next level and if all goes well maybe one of them may end up playing on sundays.
Wagnerdad
02-20-2009, 05:11 PM
with all due respect to the districts, you've gotta admit ... Any rb in 26-5a who rushed for 200 yds in district play against the likes of nb, reagan, tr or sv would be a little more impressive than having done it against san marcos, canyon or jefferson. That's why i said that when a comparrison is made between the two rb's, lets leave out the stats. Again, both will be playing at the next level and if all goes well maybe one of them may end up playing on sundays.
streety has a habit of letting his backs get theirs and playin them when games are no longer on the line and piling up stats. It backfired on him with devon thomas got hurt a few years back. They are both top d-1 backs without a doubt. Just saying stats are sometimes irrelevant!
chapfan2008
02-20-2009, 06:09 PM
I understand how impressive a power runner can be but if a RB can fake you out of your shoes and flat out outrun you to the goal line, what would he be proving by shorteninig his run to try to run over a LB or lineman ? Earl Campbell is one of the greatest RB of all time, look at him today ? Look at how much he shorten his career by " demolishing DT's and LB's ".Tony Dorsett had a great career and he can walk with no problem today as can Barry Sanders and Emmit Smith. Give me a power runner in the red zone ... Bettis, Jacobs, Sam Cunnigham and give me an elusive RB like Dorsett, Sanders or LT for longevity and someone I can get more out of. I am not saying Brown Can't outrun people , we all know he can but as for eluesiveness i'll take Green. better yet, I'll take both of them . Both are great kids and they will make S.A an exciting place for the scouts to come watch them play the next two years and hopefully they will discover some other great players in the area while they're here.
Good post. But you have to look at a runningback as soon as he hits the line of scrimmage. No runningback is ever going to have every single front 7 guy blocked on every play! Eventually he's just gotta plow someone over.
kiest05
02-21-2009, 12:39 AM
His speed is the NUMBER ONE thing that's been questioned by scouts. Please just stop homering or whatever that was. Read my above post about his frame.
Name a guard better than Adam Shead, I can't even name one in college.
adam shed must be your son or someting b/c thats crazy that you say there is not a guard in college better than him,that just disrespects a lot of college kids and see malena run for yourself just b/c because a scout says something dosent mean its tru...........
kiest05
02-21-2009, 12:42 AM
Hopkins is the best back in the state. Not even close. Hands down no one even close. There are some great backs he is leaps and bounds better than all of them and do not even start on the kid from Temple. He is fast, a great sprinter but not as good of a football player as Hopkins.
For those of you who think he is not fast you are crazy. I do not know where you are getting your info from. Do not even start on the 40 yard time crap he will run away from you defenders even your speedy dbacks.
Hopkins is no were near te best back in the state iam sorry his numbers dont add up....
chapfan2008
02-21-2009, 12:42 AM
adam shed must be your son or someting b/c thats crazy that you say there is not a guard in college better than him,that just disrespects a lot of college kids and see malena run for yourself just b/c because a scout says something dosent mean its tru...........
I know I was just kidding about the college part. But I definitely have NOT found one in high school that even compares to him yet. The kid is a complete mauler.
I'll take scouts who evaluate talent as a full time job over anyone else's opinion any day. Only person that could sway me is MAYBE a rational head coach that's not just homering.
ibleedsilver
02-21-2009, 02:04 AM
stats are important but DONT ALWAYS determine how good the running back is..and I kno Hopkins played more then half the season with both groins pulled
Hopkins is the best back in the state. Not even close. Hands down no one even close. There are some great backs he is leaps and bounds better than all of them and do not even start on the kid from Temple. He is fast, a great sprinter but not as good of a football player as Hopkins.
For those of you who think he is not fast you are crazy. I do not know where you are getting your info from. Do not even start on the 40 yard time crap he will run away from you defenders even your speedy dbacks.
First, I dont know if you mean in just 5A or all classes in the entire state..But anyway, there is no way in hell that Hopkins is the best in the state..He's not even the best in north Texas, let alone the state. He's a damn good back and he proved that against us, but no way he is the best in the state.
Bottomline
02-21-2009, 10:33 AM
streety has a habit of letting his backs get theirs and playin them when games are no longer on the line and piling up stats.
Last season that wasn't the case. This past season and for the next two, Streety has two SOLID RB's in the backfield. Williams proved to be a solid RB and got some valuable yardage starting alongside Green and should be ready to make that Mav's backfield as lethal as any in the state. On several occasions, Williams was left in the game to get valuable experience and the bulk of the carries.
agmc27
02-21-2009, 12:48 PM
Lache Seastrunk is not only the best RB in the state or the best RB in the nation. He's the best PLAYER in the nation.
chapfan2008
02-21-2009, 01:04 PM
First, I dont know if you mean in just 5A or all classes in the entire state..But anyway, there is no way in hell that Hopkins is the best in the state..He's not even the best in north Texas, let alone the state. He's a damn good back and he proved that against us, but no way he is the best in the state.
Those were my sentiments exactly.
Lache Seastrunk is not only the best RB in the state or the best RB in the nation. He's the best PLAYER in the nation.
That's actually quite possible.
Wagnerdad
02-21-2009, 04:20 PM
Last season that wasn't the case. This past season and for the next two, Streety has two SOLID RB's in the backfield. Williams proved to be a solid RB and got some valuable yardage starting alongside Green and should be ready to make that Mav's backfield as lethal as any in the state. On several occasions, Williams was left in the game to get valuable experience and the bulk of the carries.
I hope so. I hated to see what happened to Devon. Thought the kid was a class act even after the injury. I agree you guys have several great athletes over there, not just RB's.
Bottomline
02-21-2009, 06:47 PM
The sad thing about Devin is ... Here's this kid that started something like only 15 games and yet gained just over 3 thousand yards and even when he started those games, only once or twice did he actually play after halftime !
:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy
ibleedsilver
02-21-2009, 07:49 PM
Lache Seastrunk is not only the best RB in the state or the best RB in the nation. He's the best PLAYER in the nation.
Ok almost any college coach will tell u that speed doesnt make u a great running back..it definetly is a huge factor but not the only factor. A good BACK has to be a good blocker and a good reciever and has to have great feet..
When you watch Lache film tell me how many times he runs to the outside around everyone? almost every highlight..Ive seen him at camps and his recieving ability isnt anywhere close to as good as half the guys in the state and he doesnt block. Maybe he is the best athlete in the state but hes not the best RUNNING BACK.
You cant run around everyone in college it just doesnt happen
Dynastybegan86
02-21-2009, 09:53 PM
stats are important but DONT ALWAYS determine how good the running back is..and I kno Hopkins played more then half the season with both groins pulled
Ouch! Not an easy injury to play with, but he did pretty well despite the injury(ies).
Wagnerdad
02-21-2009, 11:39 PM
Ok almost any college coach will tell u that speed doesnt make u a great running back..it definetly is a huge factor but not the only factor. A good BACK has to be a good blocker and a good reciever and has to have great feet..
When you watch Lache film tell me how many times he runs to the outside around everyone? almost every highlight..Ive seen him at camps and his recieving ability isnt anywhere close to as good as half the guys in the state and he doesnt block. Maybe he is the best athlete in the state but hes not the best RUNNING BACK.
You cant run around everyone in college it just doesnt happen
Most coaches feel they can teach RBs to block. I doubt that Temple spends alot of time running plays where he's doing alot of blocking. He's the man!! He's gonna carry the ball at least 20 times a game and the scary part is that he can score from anywhere on any play!! While he may or may not be the best, he definatelly is a great one. The fact that he can score anytime he touches the ball makes him a game changer. How many game changers are there in football period at any level? I've seen this kid as recently as the Army combine camp, while he's no Jerry Rice I thought he had decent hands but more importantly he created space. It was unfair for a Lb to try and cover him!!
ibleedsilver
02-22-2009, 12:26 AM
Lache's playmaking ability definetly sets him apart but i dont see him as an everydown back in college. I see him thriving in a florida type system. Almost like a Percy Harvin not a true running back but just a playmaker.
Wagnerdad
02-22-2009, 07:49 AM
Lache's playmaking ability definetly sets him apart but i dont see him as an everydown back in college. I see him thriving in a florida type system. Almost like a Percy Harvin not a true running back but just a playmaker.
Depends on the college he chooses. When he goes to college there will be other backs that was all world, so he'll share carries with someone. Reggie Bush was a every down back at SC. Why not Lache? This kid will thrive in almost any system. OU's, Texas, USC, Auburn you name it.
wizenbud
02-22-2009, 08:47 AM
Good post. But you have to look at a runningback as soon as he hits the line of scrimmage. No runningback is ever going to have every single front 7 guy blocked on every play! Eventually he's just gotta plow someone over.
OR..... they could just run around 'em. Always more than one way to skin a cat. Just saying, power vs speed is an age old fight in football. All depends on ones taste. ;)
Depends on the college he chooses. When he goes to college there will be other backs that was all world, so he'll share carries with someone. Reggie Bush was a every down back at SC. Why not Lache? This kid will thrive in almost any system. OU's, Texas, USC, Auburn you name it.
Well actually Reggie Bush wasn't an every down back at SC, many forget that LenDale White was there and they both were used for different purposes. LenDale was more of an up the middle, pound the rock type player..while Reggie was a shifty, finesse, cutting, take it around the outside type player.
I think the days of one single every down back, have long since passed us by. Almost every college and pro team utilizes a multiple back sysytem. It keeps them fresher and provides a change of pace to what the offense is doing and it causes matchup issues for defenses in not allowing them to focus solely on one style. More and more we are seeing this setup of 2 backs being used at the high school level as well, though its not nearly as common as it is in the college and pro systems.
slcdragonfan
02-22-2009, 01:06 PM
Well actually Reggie Bush wasn't an every down back at SC, many forget that LenDale White was there and they both were used for different purposes. LenDale was more of an up the middle, pound the rock type player..while Reggie was a shifty, finesse, cutting, take it around the outside type player.
I think the days of one single every down back, have long since passed us by. Almost every college and pro team utilizes a multiple back sysytem. It keeps them fresher and provides a change of pace to what the offense is doing and it causes matchup issues for defenses in not allowing them to focus solely on one style. More and more we are seeing this setup of 2 backs being used at the high school level as well, though its not nearly as common as it is in the college and pro systems.
yep. agreed. See Felix and Marion for the Cowboys...Worked well when they were both healthy
kiest05
02-22-2009, 01:31 PM
I know I was just kidding about the college part. But I definitely have NOT found one in high school that even compares to him yet. The kid is a complete mauler.
I'll take scouts who evaluate talent as a full time job over anyone else's opinion any day. Only person that could sway me is MAYBE a rational head coach that's not just homering.
So i take it that you have never seen malena play in person?
Rapture
02-23-2009, 09:06 AM
DADA BROWN is the best back in the state bar non
stinger
02-23-2009, 11:49 AM
What a shame....one of the best is Class of 2011 with Trinity....
Dynastybegan86
02-23-2009, 11:51 AM
What a shame....one of the best is Class of 2011 with Trinity....
How many times do we have to cover this? C'mon Stinger get with the program!:ninja:
stinger
02-23-2009, 12:34 PM
How many times do we have to cover this? C'mon Stinger get with the program!:ninja:
Trouble is my middle name.....What can I say....
farmerfan
02-23-2009, 02:34 PM
You really got me going on this DJ Jones thing...I seriuosly had to LMAO at the "being concerned with his speed or (lack thereof)" comment..
BWAHAHAHAHAHA...Not the best video but still..... No speed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRWok4hiG6w
Methinks he is just copying and pasting from various recruting websites and posting this information as his own.
Methinks he is just copying and pasting from various recruting websites and posting this information as his own.
Methinks you're onto to something there.
farmerfan
02-23-2009, 02:40 PM
You can tell he's a player just by looking at him. I think his struggles in that particular game were more due to his offensive line than anything else. No back can run without space. Marcus never got a surge going despite outweighing Katy's defensive front at least 70 pounds per man. Their OL was enormous, but did not get off the ball well that day. Although the schemes are different, it was similar to the Wylie game in that Marcus didn't handle Katy's quickness very well.
The Katy Defense played very well against Hopkins. THey shut him down as well as Trinity did this past year from what I could tell. I was at the Katy game but out of town for the Trinity game.
What I think hurt Hopkins the most this year was the lack of a true passing threat by Marcus. Despite having Joel Free and a good TE they never were able to truly establish any type of passing threat. Having Newsome out against Katy didn't help either as it allowed the front 7 to focus on Hopkins and Hopkins alone. The guy has all the tools to be a great one. Speed, size, power and vision. I can't wait to watch him this next year.
farmerfan
02-23-2009, 02:41 PM
Methinks you're onto to something there.
Mewants to mee the women in your avatar :notworthy
Mewants to mee the women in your avatar :notworthy
You sure bout that?...they're Texas women?????
rocketgrl94
02-23-2009, 02:48 PM
You sure bout that?...they're Texas women?????
take it to the SI thread in The Yard!
farmerfan
02-23-2009, 02:52 PM
You sure bout that?...they're Texas women?????
As long as they're not Dallas women then I dont care anymore. ;)
take it to the SI thread in The Yard!
Watch it woman!:ninja::D
rocketgrl94
02-23-2009, 03:04 PM
Watch it woman!:ninja::D
Watch what?:D;)
As long as they're not Dallas women then I dont care anymore. ;)
I think one of the two in that pic is from Mesquite.
Watch what?:D;)
You know what.:cool:
farmerfan
02-23-2009, 03:08 PM
I think one of the two in that pic is from Mesquite.
Mesquite = East Ft Worth = Denton County = alright with Farmer
Mesquite = East Ft Worth = Denton County = alright with Farmer
Mesquite = East Dallas = Dallas/Kaufman County....Still interested?:D
farmerfan
02-23-2009, 03:21 PM
Mesquite = East Dallas = Dallas/Kaufman County....Still interested?:D
Bull Snot.
Mesquite is a fine part of the Metroplex that never got caught up in the Dallas/Collin County boom. Mesquite is pure and real. Yes I still am.
svhorns
02-23-2009, 03:25 PM
The SV tailback whether he's a 2010 or 11 graduate I don't know yet...but he will be the best rb in state... no doubts in my mind. bar none. done deal.
Bull Snot.
Mesquite is a fine part of the Metroplex that never got caught up in the Dallas/Collin County boom. Mesquite is pure and real. Yes I still am.
To bad...I want her for myself.:D
farmerfan
02-23-2009, 03:45 PM
To bad...I want her for myself.:D
Fine dragonaggy. you sir can go to hell :Censor:;)
Bottomline
02-23-2009, 04:01 PM
The SV tailback whether he's a 2010 or 11 graduate I don't know yet...but he will be the best rb in state... no doubts in my mind. bar none. done deal.
Who are you talking about ? After Aaron and Brandon, who's the 3rd best back in the district ?
svhorns
02-23-2009, 04:04 PM
Who are you talking about ? After Aaron and Brandon, who's the 3rd best back in the district ?
It was a joke ;)... The day SV gets an athlete with 4.4 speed and a 38 in. vertical I'll let you know.
slcdragonfan
02-23-2009, 05:21 PM
The Katy Defense played very well against Hopkins. THey shut him down as well as Trinity did this past year from what I could tell. I was at the Katy game but out of town for the Trinity game.
What I think hurt Hopkins the most this year was the lack of a true passing threat by Marcus. Despite having Joel Free and a good TE they never were able to truly establish any type of passing threat. Having Newsome out against Katy didn't help either as it allowed the front 7 to focus on Hopkins and Hopkins alone. The guy has all the tools to be a great one. Speed, size, power and vision. I can't wait to watch him this next year.
Me too. In fact, I am preseason more concerned about him and Marcus than I am Hebron or Coppell. As you pointed out, any real passing attack to go with him and he should rip folks up. I think Marcus has the best chance of breaking our winning record at Dragon stadium this fall.:eek:
slcdragonfan
02-23-2009, 05:22 PM
To bad...I want her for myself.:D
One of these days you're gonna post somebody's daughter up there, and there's gonna be hell to pay. ;)
Fine dragonaggy. you sir can go to hell :Censor:;)
I'm kidding...The one in question is the blonde and ole Dragonaggy is a well known brunette lover.;)
One of these days you're gonna post somebody's daughter up there, and there's gonna be hell to pay. ;)
Eh, there all legal age girls and the pics are readily available on several websites, so no worries here.
I did meet a guy last summer at one of the Longhorn practices that is the father of one of the cheerleader girls in an avatar I have used on several occaisions.
slcdragonfan
02-23-2009, 05:37 PM
Eh, there all legal age girls and the pics are readily available on several websites, so no worries here.
I did meet a guy last summer at one of the Longhorn practices that is the father of one of the cheerleader girls in an avatar I have used on several occaisions.
just teasing ya', but when my daughter goes up there I'm gonna make sure she doesn't get in any of those pics (or Daddy ain't paying tuition!).:)
just teasing ya', but when my daughter goes up there I'm gonna make sure she doesn't get in any of those pics (or Daddy ain't paying tuition!).:)
LOL..I hear ya...But if she is a cheerleader she'll be in the pics, calendars..etc.
Football4life
02-23-2009, 07:28 PM
Im surprised no one has mentioned Dekota Barnes from Klein High School you would know who he is if your team has played against in during the season or 7 on 7
Only class of 2010 (current jrs, future srs) please.
Lache Seastrunk-Temple-5'10" 190
Everyone's seen those ridiculous highlight films. Many list him as a 4.5 type guy but Seastrunk is definitely a low 4.4 and can absolutely shock people with his speed. Not exactly a true between the tackles back that you can run the ball with 25 times a game. Definitely a Reggie Bush type as far as body structure, will top out around 200 pounds when drafted and never go much higher. Still, an explosive player with ridiculous athleticism that would really go good with comboed with a big back such as Whaley at Texas or Ford at LSU imo.
Dontae Williams-Aldine-6'0" 205
A downhill runner who can do it all with an outstanding runningback body. Catch out of the backfield, punish linebackers in the middle, or bounce it outside and take it to the house. Explosive player who commands a spot as the feature player in his college offense.
Traylon Shead-Cayuga-6'2" 205
A very tall rb who can do it all, very similar to Williams however a thinner frame with even more room for growth (and Williams already has alot). Not as much of a downhill tackler punisher as you might expect but I feel he's not afraid of that and can work to be quite the rb prospect. Put 300 yards on 10 carries in 1 game. Over 3,000 rushing yards 2 seasons in a row in small 1a Cayuga.
D.J. Jones-Denison-6'0" 220
I'm concerned with his speed (or lack thereof), looks quite slow on film. However a big, powerful back who can cut it to the outside when necessary but will make his money plowing over D Linemen and Linebackers.
Ben Malena-Cedar Hill-5'10" 200
Tough runner who may be a bit suspect due to his fantastic O Line this year. Still plays in a tough district with a good frame to boot and several offers.
Stephen Hopkins-Marcus-6'0" 220
Another tough runner who's a bit on the slow side but I see alot of upside to him, especially as an athletic fullback prospect who you can throw to often.
I COULD GO FOR SOME FILM
Je'Terian Douglas-Arlington Lamar-5'11" 175
Calvin Thompson-Vista Ridge-6'1" 200
Princeton Collins-Westwood-5'11" 185
Don't know much about him but performed well at the Army combine.
Chris Johnson-East Central-5'10" 210
Josh Bell-Kempner-5'11" 195
Seriously....how much film is on Dontae Williams?:confused: Still don't know what this is based on..size? potential? he rushed for what 400 yards last year? Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking him at all.....I just want to know what these are based on...I know Malena and Seastrunk and a few others for obvious reasons.
chapfan2008
02-25-2009, 06:38 PM
Seriously....how much film is on Dontae Williams?:confused: Still don't know what this is based on..size? potential? he rushed for what 400 yards last year? Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking him at all.....I just want to know what these are based on...I know Malena and Seastrunk and a few others for obvious reasons.
I did it more based on d1 potential more than anthing else.
Have you seen Williams' film? He's the best pound-for-pound back in the state. Period. He sat half the year due to injury. But trust me, he's the real deal.
I did it more based on d1 potential more than anthing else.
Have you seen Williams' film? He's the best pound-for-pound back in the state. Period. He sat half the year due to injury. But trust me, he's the real deal.
I've seen him in person...He wasnt the main back at Aldine, he split time with Wesley Vincent....I agree he's a physical speciman....but 350 yards and 5 TD's...a lot of backs in the Houston area did better than that. Maybe it was the injuries, I've give him the benefit of the doubt.
dragonpants
02-26-2009, 10:20 AM
Lache Seastrunk is not only the best RB in the state or the best RB in the nation. He's the best PLAYER in the nation.
Incorrect. Hopkins is better.
dragonpants
02-26-2009, 10:24 AM
First, I dont know if you mean in just 5A or all classes in the entire state..But anyway, there is no way in hell that Hopkins is the best in the state..He's not even the best in north Texas, let alone the state. He's a damn good back and he proved that against us, but no way he is the best in the state.
I was talking 5A. IM not so humble opinion he is leaps and bounds best in the state. I think Seastrunk is great but no deserving of the hype that he is getting.
chapfan2008
02-26-2009, 07:12 PM
I was talking 5A. IM not so humble opinion he is leaps and bounds best in the state. I think Seastrunk is great but no deserving of the hype that he is getting.
Ok, please, just stop. And this is coming from a HUGE believer in Hopkins.
Bottomline
02-27-2009, 12:21 PM
It's amazing how someone can claim a RB as the " Best in the state " and not have acutally sat down and watch EVERY kid that carries the football in the state play at least one game. Let's just say that they are " One of the Best in the state " .
I was talking 5A. IM not so humble opinion he is leaps and bounds best in the state. I think Seastrunk is great but no deserving of the hype that he is getting.
Maybe you're a bit biased being that he hit the Dragons up for 300+. Best back you've played against or best back in state?
slcdragonfan
02-27-2009, 01:31 PM
Maybe you're a bit biased being that he hit the Dragons up for 300+. Best back you've played against or best back in state?
Yes, he looked pretty good that night.:D:notworthy He DID make an impression. I think if a. Marcus has developed a reasonably effective passing attack and b. the Marcus O-line is better than adequate he will have a good year. We will know a lot more when Marcus plays Katy.
Yes, he looked pretty good that night.:D:notworthy He DID make an impression. I think if a. Marcus has developed a reasonably effective passing attack and b. the Marcus O-line is better than adequate he will have a good year. We will know a lot more when Marcus plays Katy.
Katy was good vs the run this year....Marcus had one of, if not the best Oline I've seen....hopefully they don't get any bigger.
slcdragonfan
02-27-2009, 02:04 PM
Katy was good vs the run this year....Marcus had one of, if not the best Oline I've seen....hopefully they don't get any bigger.
Hebron's was massive as well. In fact, in the pregame warmups, I saw one giant, then another! They were so huge, i had to go down and get a program to see their size...One is going to TT, the other I don't know, may have been a junior. Heck, they could just stand there and it would be like trying to climb over logs to get to the QB. But they were much better than logs.:)
I commented at the time that it looked like we were playing a college line.
Hebron's was massive as well. In fact, in the pregame warmups, I saw one giant, then another! They were so huge, i had to go down and get a program to see their size...One is going to TT, the other I don't know, may have been a junior. Heck, they could just stand there and it would be like trying to climb over logs to get to the QB. But they were much better than logs.:)
I commented at the time that it looked like we were playing a college line.
Indeed they were some big boys. Very athletic as well.
slcdragonfan
02-27-2009, 04:57 PM
Indeed they were some big boys. Very athletic as well.
Yep, I was talking to you and dragonpants about it at the game. Hate to feed those boys in this economy....:D
Yep, I was talking to you and dragonpants about it at the game. Hate to feed those boys in this economy....:D
I thought it was Bkr...Maybe not, but I've slept since then.:D
slcdragonfan
03-02-2009, 12:06 AM
I thought it was Bkr...Maybe not, but I've slept since then.:D
You're probably right. Who has the pickup truck with the flag?
You're probably right. Who has the pickup truck with the flag?
Thats Bkr.
Earl86
03-04-2009, 07:37 PM
Seastrunk looks like the real deal from what I've seen. He's very elusive and has a great burst. He seems to weave jump-cut and slide his way through lots of tight spaces. I checked out his video and he really impressed me the most out of the RBs listed in this thread. I would assume he'll be a Rivals 100 prospect when the list comes out, but overall I trust Lemming and Scout.com much more.
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