Texas Tech will finish last

[dragons08]

in the big 12 south for 5 main reasons.

They are as follow:

1) Graham Harrell graduated. We all know he was the only reason they were remotely good. Taylor Potts sucks

2) Crabtree left for the NFL. Obviously he knew they'd suck next year with Graham gone.

3) The Defense got torched by OU, obviously that defense sucks and will give up lots of points next year.

4) Leach is still looking for a head coaching gig elsewhere.

5) Prized Defensive Tackle Pearlie Graves won't pan out. He'll be a bust. No way he deserves his 4 star status after I saw his videos.

Discuss.

[F18mustang]

Did you forget that aggy is still in the Big12?

[dragons08]

A&M will finish ahead of Tech but behind Baylor.

[jtk1519]

I wouldn't be at all surprised. Leach has been exposed. He had the best team Tech has ever had and managed to choke them away in spectacular fashion. There is no question that Baylor is on the upswing. Okie Lite is about even with Tech and Gumby has proven he's a more competent coach, plus they return a lot next season. It all comes down to aggy who has not done well in Lubbock at all. Outside of them, Tech has to travel to Nebraska, Texas, Okie Lite and Baylor. None of that bodes well for Tech. I think they go 2-6 in conference... 1-7 if aggy pulls their head out. Tech will get crushed by Cougar High though. Mark that down.

[BDB]

i wouldn't be suprised, but i see them ending up more towards 4th place. aggy at the bottom, fallowed by a bowl eligable baylor, tceh, okie lite, zerou, texas.

just a gut feeling. and on note of tceh, i remember last year everyone had texas finishing 4th in the south, so i wouldn't take it too seriously.

[dragons08]

They're really screwed. Leach has no interest in being there.

[jtk1519]

They're really screwed. Leach has no interest in being there.

I think that is the key. From what I have been told, he's lost a lot of confidence from the team because of his job searching. I was even told Crab was planning returning until he heard Leach interviewed for the U-Dub job. And that cam from the father of a current player.

[jtk1519]

Seriously, try and find their wins...

vs. North Dakota - easy Tech win
vs. Rice - tight game, slight edge to Tech
@ Cougar High - easy Cougar High win
vs. New Mexico - Tech wins
vs. KSU - Tech wins
@ Nebraska - NU win
vs. aggy - toss up
vs. KU - slight edge to KU
@ Texas - easy Texas win
@ Okie Lite - easy Okie Lite win
vs. trash - easy double-wide win
@ Baylor - easy Baylor win

I honestly don't think Tech makes a bowl game. They would have to beat aggy and try and get lucky against KU or NU and I don't see that happening. I wouldn't be surprised if NU rolls all over Tech.

[Firebird]

lol @ the aggie game being a toss up. We're going to destroy them.:)

[lonny23]

in the big 12 south for 5 main reasons.

They are as follow:

1) Graham Harrell graduated. We all know he was the only reason they were remotely good. Taylor Potts sucks

2) Crabtree left for the NFL. Obviously he knew they'd suck next year with Graham gone.

3) The Defense got torched by OU, obviously that defense sucks and will give up lots of points next year.

4) Leach is still looking for a head coaching gig elsewhere.

5) Prized Defensive Tackle Pearlie Graves won't pan out. He'll be a bust. No way he deserves his 4 star status after I saw his videos.

Discuss.
That pretty much covers it.

[lonny23]

BTW guys, you're not going to get me to go crazy over this thread.

Tech will do a lot better than the doom and gloom you're predicting.

1. They're not going to lose to a non-BCS team.
2. They sure won't lose to A&M.
3. I seriously doubt they lose to Baylor.
4. They'll still be better than Okie Lite next year, but I'll go with a road tossup.
5. Nebraska is also losing their QB and that game should be a tossup.
6. I sure wouldn't bet any money on OU winning in Lubbock!
7. If I'm betting on Tech losing (No game is a sure loss), my money is all-in on losing at Texas, but the odds on that will be better than before with the new surface.

[BDB]

That pretty much covers it.

BTW guys, you're not going to get me to go crazy over this thread.

Tech will do a lot better than the doom and gloom you're predicting.

1. They're not going to lose to a non-BCS team.
2. They sure won't lose to A&M.
3. I seriously doubt they lose to Baylor.
4. They'll still be better than Okie Lite next year, but I'll go with a road tossup.
5. Nebraska is also losing their QB and that game should be a tossup.
6. I sure wouldn't bet any money on OU winning in Lubbock!
7. If I'm betting on Tech losing (No game is a sure loss), my money is all-in on losing at Texas, but the odds on that will be better than before with the new surface.

does not compute....

[TTURedRaider]

in the big 12 south for 5 main reasons.

They are as follow:

1) Graham Harrell graduated. We all know he was the only reason they were remotely good. Taylor Potts sucks

2) Crabtree left for the NFL. Obviously he knew they'd suck next year with Graham gone.

3) The Defense got torched by OU, obviously that defense sucks and will give up lots of points next year.

4) Leach is still looking for a head coaching gig elsewhere.

5) Prized Defensive Tackle Pearlie Graves won't pan out. He'll be a bust. No way he deserves his 4 star status after I saw his videos.

Discuss.

The main reason I don't think we'll finish last is... Texas A&M is also in the Big 12 South.

Taylor Potts has a good arm. Maybe WRs won't have to come back to the ball or stop running on the deep ball. His issue is holding onto the ball and not getting it out. But we'll see how he does.

Yeah Im sure thats it. Actually Crabtree's dad said he really liked Pott's arm strength. Im kinda glad Crabtree is leaving for various reasons...

The secondary will be a work in progress all season. It will be interesting to see if there are any shake ups in the LB corp with the new guys coming in. DE will be a interesting group to watch as well.

Yup and it doesn't seem like many people are all that fired up to hire him.

I kind of think Myles Wade has higher bust potential being that a lot of our highly touted JUCO recruits don't pan out but maybe you're right.

[lonny23]

does not compute....
Sure it does.
1. I calmly made both posts.
2. I was not upset in any way.
3. I didn't do any research and only took the time to type and I'm not slow typist, nor did I have to contemplate what I was going to say.
4. I didn't cuss anybody out or make threats.

[slorch]

Did you forget that aggy is still in the Big12?

nice...THIS!

[slorch]

I wouldn't be at all surprised. Leach has been exposed. He had the best team Tech has ever had and managed to choke them away in spectacular fashion. There is no question that Baylor is on the upswing. Okie Lite is about even with Tech and Gumby has proven he's a more competent coach, plus they return a lot next season. It all comes down to aggy who has not done well in Lubbock at all. Outside of them, Tech has to travel to Nebraska, Texas, Okie Lite and Baylor. None of that bodes well for Tech. I think they go 2-6 in conference... 1-7 if aggy pulls their head out. Tech will get crushed by Cougar High though. Mark that down.

funny...a Mack Brown disciple calling someone else a choker.

Only the best collegiate player since Earl Campbell saved Ole Mack from never winning the big one label.

and bragging about beating Iowa and Ohio State in consecutive years is like beating your chest about beating SMU and Rice.( sorry Pack 0808)

pile 'em up baby. Pile 'em up. y'all have definitely developed an appetite for crow.

[slorch]

Sure it does.
1. I calmly made both posts.
2. I was not upset in any way.
3. I didn't do any research and only took the time to type and I'm not slow typist, nor did I have to contemplate what I was going to say.
4. I didn't cuss anybody out or make threats.

quit being a spaghetti-spine and stand up for TSO...;):D

[Dawg Fan]

completely stupid thread:rolleyes:

[DragonBand06]

Christine Michael and Uzoma Nzuma-woka-woka-woka-chu or whatever his name is will do a lot to help A&M's prospects this year. I think they will surprise some people. Nowhere near competing for the South title, but better than predicted. And LOL @ Lonny saying to not count on OU winning in Lubbock.

[Favpack]

I think Tech will be decent. Taylor will step in and do well, a few good receivers coming back - DeTron Lewis will perform.

7-5 would not surprise me, 6-6 would, but this team wins more than just a few.

[pied]

funny...a Mack Brown disciple calling someone else a choker.

Only the best collegiate player since Earl Campbell saved Ole Mack from never winning the big one label.

and bragging about beating Iowa and Ohio State in consecutive years is like beating your chest about beating SMU and Rice.( sorry Pack 0808)

pile 'em up baby. Pile 'em up. y'all have definitely developed an appetite for crow.

Five bowl wins in a row, ASU/tOSU by the way. Sevenof Eight including LSU(Saban as the coach), tOSU, Washington, USC.

Eight seasons in a row of 10+ wins, never in eleven seasons at Texas has won less than nine games.

Yeah, he's a choker......

What does that make Leach? ou? Ole Miss?

[SLC]

I see what you did there.:)


But outside of that, there is no way Tech will finish last in the south.

[jtk1519]

and bragging about beating Iowa and Ohio State in consecutive years is like beating your chest about beating SMU and Rice.( sorry Pack 0808)

Ummm... one, I don't recall anybody on this thread bragging about beating those two and two, Texas didn't play Iowa and OSU in consecutive years. Other than the complete lack of relevant fact, I guess you have a point. Or not.

[lonny23]

I think Tech will be decent. Taylor will step in and do well, a few good receivers coming back - DeTron Lewis will perform.

7-5 would not surprise me, 6-6 would, but this team wins more than just a few.
I'm going to use the words of the esteemed Geoff Ketchum of Orangebloods. As much as Tech fans hate him, he's always pretty good when he goes on Tech Talk. I think most of his act is just schtick for the 'horn fans. Anyway, here is what he said yesterday in so many words:

"The A&M and Tech classes this year are very similar (For quality star-wise, I agree), but there is a difference. A&M needs impact players right now and will play some of those players immediately and it will stunt their development, while Leach has built the Tech program to the point that they can automatically win 8 games each year regardless of who comes and goes and they can let those players develop and won't need them for 2-3 years."

I will say that Tech will need Daniel Cobb and Will Ford this year and there are others like Eric Ward who will probably play and Pearlie Graves and Myles Wade will probably be in the mix, but Ketch is right.

Tech has won 8 or more games every year since 2002 and that won't change in 2009. Harrell has been the QB for the last 3 years, but what people forget is Tech won 8-9 games each year from 2003-2005 with QB's who only started 1 year at Tech.

[Firebird]

I would like to make the observation that Lonny is being far more rational than slorch in this thread.

Please keep your eyes peeled for wars, rumors of wars, famine, pestilences, and earthquakes.

[lonny23]

I would like to make the observation that Lonny is being far more rational than slorch in this thread.

Please keep your eyes peeled for wars, rumors of wars, famine, pestilences, and earthquakes.
I said what I said last night just for slorch. I knew he'd want to come in here firing on all cylinders, so I made the statement that I wasn't going to be upset about the effort to stir people up.

Here's how I look at posting. I see things said many times that I don't agree with or think is true and sometimes I feel like they're being said to stir people up and I also believe the poster knows that to be the case, but my replies are not directed at them, but at less fortunate souls that might believe what was said. I'm just trying to help them out. The author of this thread does not believe what he said.

[jtk1519]

Ketch is a moron... ask any Horn fan. The guy is worse that Kirk Bohls.

[dragons08]

BTW guys, you're not going to get me to go crazy over this thread.

Tech will do a lot better than the doom and gloom you're predicting.

1. They're not going to lose to a non-BCS team.
2. They sure won't lose to A&M.
3. I seriously doubt they lose to Baylor.
4. They'll still be better than Okie Lite next year, but I'll go with a road tossup.
5. Nebraska is also losing their QB and that game should be a tossup.
6. I sure wouldn't bet any money on OU winning in Lubbock!
7. If I'm betting on Tech losing (No game is a sure loss), my money is all-in on losing at Texas, but the odds on that will be better than before with the new surface.
1) They'll lose to "cougar high"
2) A&M is a toss up game.
3) They almost lost to Baylor..in Lubbock with their "best team ever".
4) Okie Lite will be better this year.
5) A tossup in favor of Nebraska
6) OU will destroy TTU
7) Of course UT will crush them.

[dragons08]

I see what you did there.:)


But outside of that, there is no way Tech will finish last in the south.

I don't know what you're referring to.

[yankee]

6. I sure wouldn't bet any money on OU winning in Lubbock!


i'll gladly take you up on that offer.

[eaglefootball11]

I think Potts will be better than yall think. Great size, very strong arm, and he is a better athlete than #6.

[jtk1519]

I think Potts will be better than yall think. Great size, very strong arm, and he is a better athlete than #6.

I've been saying for years that Potts will be outstanding and is BY FAR the best QB Leach has ever signed, but that doesn't change the fact that he loses some of his best offensive weapons and linemen. I also think the WRs may have a hard time adjusting to Potts initially simply because he throws the ball so much better and harder than Harrell ever could. Leong is really the only guy they have that really knows what to expect which is why I expect Leong to have a big year.

[BigRing5311]

in the big 12 south for 5 main reasons.

They are as follow:

1) Graham Harrell graduated. We all know he was the only reason they were remotely good. Taylor Potts sucks

2) Crabtree left for the NFL. Obviously he knew they'd suck next year with Graham gone.

3) The Defense got torched by OU, obviously that defense sucks and will give up lots of points next year.

4) Leach is still looking for a head coaching gig elsewhere.

5) Prized Defensive Tackle Pearlie Graves won't pan out. He'll be a bust. No way he deserves his 4 star status after I saw his videos.

Discuss.

Great post '08...welcome to the board.

[AE 8008]

I've been saying for years that Potts will be outstanding and is BY FAR the best QB Leach has ever signed, but that doesn't change the fact that he loses some of his best offensive weapons and linemen. I also think the WRs may have a hard time adjusting to Potts initially simply because he throws the ball so much better and harder than Harrell ever could. Leong is really the only guy they have that really knows what to expect which is why I expect Leong to have a big year.

+1. I think we'll see alot of Potts to Leong as well...was Leong redshirted or grayshirted?

[lonny23]

+1. I think we'll see alot of Potts to Leong as well...was Leong redshirted or grayshirted?
Potts really looked hard for Leong in 07, but it wasn't the case as much in 08. I can't track the incompletions, but I know a fair amount of them in 07 and 08 were intended for Leong. I think Potts will have a good connection with Detron based upon the last 2 years.

Potts in 07:

32-49 for 409 yards with 3 touchdowns and 12 completions for 116 yards and 1 touchdown to either Leong or Kobey Lewis.

Potts in 08:

23-36 for 260 yards and 2 touchdowns with 0 completions to Leong.

Leong in 07:

15 catches for 174 yards and 1 touchdown with 8 catches for 101 yards and 1 touchdown from Potts.

Leong in 08:

18 catches for 206 yards and 3 touchdowns with 0 catches from Potts.

[slorch]

Leong has continued to look like a 2* WR. I was talking with a fellow Techsan about our WR situation next year, and he started talking about how he didn't think Detron Lewis was doing all that great. Personally, I thought he made a bunch of clutch catches for first downs, and while we're spoiled with Crabtree's RAC, Lewis still possesses some great open field running skills. I think he is VERY capable of being a game changer. The bar is just set so freaking high now, I think the comparisons with #5 are unfair.

I would like nothing better than for Leong to progress and get some chemistry going with Potts. Michael Irvin was one of the best WRs ever, but nobody would deny that jay Novacek was a vital part of Troy Aikman's success. The more wide outs that show the ability to get open and make the catch, the better off the whole offense will be.

If Edward Britton improves as much this offseason as he did last year, just watch the :Censor: out! he's always had the speed, now he's showing much, much better hands. i think a lot of non-Tech folks forget how nice of a season he had in 2008.

[lonny23]

Leong has continued to look like a 2* WR. I was talking with a fellow Techsan about our WR situation next year, and he started talking about how he didn't think Detron Lewis was doing all that great. Personally, I thought he made a bunch of clutch catches for first downs, and while we're spoiled with Crabtree's RAC, Lewis still possesses some great open field running skills. I think he is VERY capable of being a game changer. The bar is just set so freaking high now, I think the comparisons with #5 are unfair.

I would like nothing better than for Leong to progress and get some chemistry going with Potts. Michael Irvin was one of the best WRs ever, but nobody would deny that jay Novacek was a vital part of Troy Aikman's success. The more wide outs that show the ability to get open and make the catch, the better off the whole offense will be.

If Edward Britton improves as much this offseason as he did last year, just watch the :Censor: out! he's always had the speed, now he's showing much, much better hands. i think a lot of non-Tech folks forget how nice of a season he had in 2008.Some people think Adam James will make a big jump up and he's a hard worker that has come from being a preferred walk-on to getting into the offense some.

People also don't talk about how Adrian Reese was thought to be on the verge of making noise last year and got hurt, so they just sat him and redshirted him. Tech very well might have a legit TE-type threat to their gameplan in 09 and we're all expecting some better running threats with Batch and Jeffers, and who knows maybe Stephens.

06 receiving stats:

Edward Britton 10-131, 13.1 avg, 20 (TD) long, 1 TD
Adrian Reese 4-66, 16.5 avg, 28 long, 0 TD
Baron Batch 6-41, 6.8 avg, 12 long, 0 TD

07 receiving stats:

Edward Britton 48-631, 13.1 avg, 68 (TD) long, 4 TD's
Aaron Crawford 38-246, 6.5 avg, 30 long, 2 TD's
Lyle Leong 15-174, 11.6 avg, 27 long, 1 TD
Detron Lewis 10-120, 12.0 avg, 50 (TD) long, 3 TD's
Adrian Reese 6-74, 12.3 avg, 28 long, 0 TD
Brik Brinker 2-20, 10.0 avg, 11 long, 0 TD
Landon Hoefer 1-15, 15.0 avg, 15 long, 0 TD

08 receiving stats:

Detron Lewis 76-913, 12.0 avg, 76 long, 3 TD's
Edward Britton 35-577, 16.5 avg, 56 long, 6 TD's
Tramain Swindall 46-561, 12.2 avg, 37 long, 2 TD's
Baron Batch 45-449, 10.0 avg, 42 long, 1 TD
Lyle Leong 18-206, 11.4 avg, 32 long, 3 TD's
Adam James 15-159, 10.6 avg, 22 long, 1 TD
Rashad Hawk 5-65, 13.0 avg, 27 long, 0 TD
Jacoby Franks 6-58, 9.7 avg, 14 long, 0 TD
Brik Brinker 1-5, 5.0 avg, 5 long, 0 TD
Ryan Hale 1-4, 4.0 avg, 4 (TD) long, 1 TD
Aaron Crawford 2-1, 0.5 avg, 5 long, 0 TD

What people don't see is these catches (I'm listing the more prominent guys only) from previous years are going to somebody and the better talent level in town means they'll probably go for more yards, which will be somewhat counterbalanced by not having Crab's playmaking pressure he took off of the other guys by being Crab:

08 receiving stats:

Michael Crabtree 97-1165, 12.0 avg, 82 (TD) long, 19 TD's
Eric Morris 74-771, 10.4 avg, 44 long, 9 TD's
Shannon Woods 36-397, 11.0 avg, 45 long, 2 TD's

07 receiving stats:

Michael Crabtree 134-1962, 14.6 avg, 75 long, 22 TD's
Danny Amendola 109-1245, 11.4 avg, 49 (TD) long, 6 TD's
Eric Morris 75-767, 10.2 avg, 58 long, 9 TD's
Grant Walker 30-353, 11.8 avg, 38 (TD) long, 2 TD's
L.A. Reed 16-189, 11.8 avg, 34 long, 0 TD before he moved to
Shannon Woods 34-138, 4.1 avg, 28 long, 2 TD's

06 receiving stats (With a SO QB and team in turmoil):

Joel Filani 91-1300, 14.3 avg, 76 (TD) long, 13 TD's
Robert Johnson 89-871, 9.8 avg, 37 (TD) long, 11 TD's
Shannon Woods 75-572, 7.6 avg, 54 long, 2 TD's
Danny Amendola 48-487, 10.1 avg, 45 (TD) long, 5 TD's
Eric Morris 25-347, 13.9 avg, 31 long, 1 TD
Jarrett Hicks 25-334, 13.4 avg, 48 long, 2 TD's
Grant Walker 23-264, 11.5 avg, 56 long, 0 TD
Todd Walker 21-214, 10.2 avg, 20 long, 2 TD's
L.A. Reed 12-157, 13.1 avg, 43 long, 2 TD's

05 receiving stats:

Joel Filani 65-1048, 16.1 avg, 62 long, 8 TD's
Robert Johnson 67-951, 14.2 avg, 67 long, 4 TD's
Jarrett Hicks 65-850, 13.1 avg, 47 long, 10 TD's
Taurean Henderson 67-528, 7.9 avg, 39 (TD) long, 5 TD's
Danny Amendola 34-395, 11.6 avg, 39 (TD) long, 3 TD's
Bristol Olomua 28-309, 11.0 avg, 29 long, 1 TD
L.A. Reed 11-136, 12.4 avg, 30 long, 0 TD
Shannon Woods 9-85, 9.4 avg, 41 (TD) long, 1 TD
Eric Morris 10-80, 8.0 avg, 15 long, 0 TD

04 receiving stats:

Jarrett Hicks 76-1177, 15.5 avg, 80 (TD) long, 13 TD's
Trey Haverty 77-1019, 13.2 avg, 57 (TD) long, 6 TD's
Nehemiah Glover 62-660, 10.6 avg, 58 long, 1 TD
Cody Fuller 43-505, 11.7 avg, 39 long, 0 TD
Joel Filani 18-310, 17.2 avg, 63 long, 2 TD's
Taurean Henderson 60-286, 4.8 avg, 24 long, 2 TD's
Bristol Olomua 27-259, 9.6 avg, 38 long, 5 TD's
Johnnie Mack 26-186, 7.2 avg, 30 (TD) long, 3 TD's
Danny Amendola 13-119, 9.2 avg, 20 long, 1 TD

Tech is going to find a way to get around 100 or more balls a year to the RB's. The current group just happens to have more moves and speed and will get more yards per catch out of the backfield.

Tech is going to complete passes and you're going to get the ball if you're on the field. That's how guys like Amendola could start off with 13 catches as a freshman, but he had 109 as a senior with hard work. Detron only had 10 as a Freshman, but he had 76 as a Sophomore and I bet over 100 as a Junior.

One thing we don't talk about is the current crop of QB's have better arms than the guys in the past and that opens up another dimension with the increased speed and size of Tech WR's compared to the smurfs in the past. No, jtk this isn't where you throw in a Harrell noodle-arm reference! He doesn't have Potts arm, but how many times a game does a team need to throw 60 yards downfield? Yes, the threat is good, but even today I wonder if Potts better arm will mean less than Harrell maybe being a better game manager and thrower for short to intermediate routes.

[slorch]

I just hope Potts also has the touch on the short to intermediate routes, as deflections are deadly, especially across the middle.:cool:

[lonny23]

I just hope Potts also has the touch on the short to intermediate routes, as deflections are deadly, especially across the middle.:cool:
Harrell threw 23 combined INT's the last 2 years and I know at least 10 of them weren't his fault due to tipped balls by the receivers or guys falling down. It might be closer to 15 because he really didn't really have that many balls like that bad INT he threw at A&M this year or that Jordon Dizon floater he threw against the Buffs last year. Crab tipped 2 INT's alone in the Colorado game last year.

[oldmojo94]

does not compute....
not much does for you prez.....not much does.

[wesaxman34]

Seriously, try and find their wins...

vs. North Dakota - easy Tech win
vs. Rice - tight game, slight edge to Tech
@ Cougar High - easy Cougar High win
vs. New Mexico - Tech wins
vs. KSU - Tech wins
@ Nebraska - NU win
vs. aggy - toss up
vs. KU - slight edge to KU
@ Texas - easy Texas win
@ Okie Lite - easy Okie Lite win
vs. trash - easy double-wide win
@ Baylor - easy Baylor win

I honestly don't think Tech makes a bowl game. They would have to beat aggy and try and get lucky against KU or NU and I don't see that happening. I wouldn't be surprised if NU rolls all over Tech.

For now, I actually don't have much of a problem with this W/L list. However, I think Tech will beat aggy in Lubbock, and depending on how the season winds up, they can surely lose to Baylor if there isn't a lot on the line for Tech, and everything on the line for Baylor. The thing is, Griffin is a man-beast, and he will continue to give every opponent a lot of problems. Even if Tech comes to Waco hungry, they still have a really good chance of losing.