Thoughts on stadium crises

[chap fan]

Charles Breithaupt was quoted in the paper yesterday as saying the high school coaches wouldn't allow the UIL to set the sites. I still remember when I think all high school finals were held in Memorial Stadium at UT.

Maybe the UIL should consider a restriction on the coaches' choices--they can only choose stadiums that at a minimum seat the larger crowd the two teams drew the previous week. Therefore, Marshall could choose any 35,000 seat stadium they wanted, and Lufkin could choose any stadium that will seat the crowd SLC drew last weekend.

For Trinity and Judson, playing at RRISD for reasons that escape me, the stadium should seat their much smaller expected crowd. Every time I have been to a game there, traffic is a major headache entering and leaving the stadium. They'd be better off at the stadium it copied--Westlake Chaparral Stadium--which seats 10,000 and has much easier access to major arteries (and clears out stadium traffic very fast). Both have jumbotron type scoreboards equipped for replays (if they've got anyone to film the game and project the images). I'm surprised Judson didn't pick one of the larger and newer San Antonio stadiums.

[Favpack]

If you'll notice - the UIL has COMPLETE control of all other sporting events final play - basketball, baseball, etc. Apparently the football coaching association is much more powerful and much LESS prone to allow such control for football. Some coaches abuse the system IMO strictly to win a game - but I've never known a top coach to do that. I think most want to play on a neutral site if possible.

I've got no problem with Austin being the site for all championship games - but you'll have some coaches nix it because they don't want to play on grass - . That's the real issue here- the coaches will not give up complete control to UIL.

I think there are several problems that arose here. We forget the Astrodome and Alamodome are not available - hopefully that doesn't happen again. Second, Baylor was not available because some veterans parade will be there with likely all of 500 people. Floyd hosted at least one state final and 1-2 semi's last year - but they somehow forgot to secure the date for this year. Likewise Reliant and AUstin were not available for Lufkin/SLC - what gives with all the stadiums being used for who knows what? The UIL needs to show some clout and have these non-events move to the smaller stadiums - NOT the football games.

Lastly, I'd like to see coaches make a more concerned effort to locate a neutral site that accomodates. A neutral site such as Kyle Field for SLC/Lufkin is not ideal for either team, but it is neutral and it does accomodate IMO "we don't want to play on grass" is not much of an effort.

I don't know what the solution was for Marshall/HP - but I get the feel that fans now understand there is no given "right" to play the game at Texas Stadium.

[LUFPAN]

I'm not in favor of letting the UIL making any decisions. They make all decisions based on money. They do not take into account what is truly best for the players, the students and the community. The coaches should never relinquish the right to choose the stadiums. The UIL will only complicate existing problems and add new ones.

There is no stadium crisis. Game sites are determined by a coin flip.

[SLCDad]

There is no stadium crisis. Game sites are determined by a coin flip.There are thousands of parents and fans who would disagree with you on this point.

Are you familiar with the 4A Div1 final? Highland Park offered their tickets first to the booster club. They sold out. When fans arrived at the HP stadium at the pre-designated time for tickets to go on sale there were no tickets available. Many parents and fans can't go to the game. I believe they have petitioned the UIL in an attempt to get the game moved so everyone can attend.

[Favpack]

There are thousands of parents and fans who would disagree with you on this point.

Are you familiar with the 4A Div1 final? Highland Park offered their tickets first to the booster club. They sold out. When fans arrived at the HP stadium at the pre-designated time for tickets to go on sale there were no tickets available. Many parents and fans can't go to the game. I believe they have petitioned the UIL in an attempt to get the game moved so everyone can attend.

I'm curious a) where they hope the game is moved to and, b) did they make this petition on the back of a blank check?;)

Money rules in HP -and the Park folks are not used to being told no.

[bullrock]

If Dodge truly did resist Kyle field, he is the one who did a diservice to his community, in my opinion. Sure, TS was available, but Outlaw has been there, done that, and was not happy with the results. It may not make any difference but maybe in his mind he was doing what was right for his team, his community, and his school. I'm sure if the roles were reversed, taking into account all of the past history between these two programs, Dodge might have made the same decision. Go on to the game and have a good time. Do like they do at Tennessee and Alabama. If you can't get into the stadium and watch, party in the parking lot and listen to it on the radio.

[SLCDad]

I'm curious a) where they hope the game is moved to and, b) did they make this petition on the back of a blank check?;)

Money rules in HP -and the Park folks are not used to being told no.A cynical response.

I don't know any of the details regarding the petition. I do know that zero tickets were offered to the general public unless a person could get access to the sales that happened for the booster club.

[SLCDad]

If Dodge truly did resist Kyle field, he is the one who did a diservice to his community, in my opinion. Sure, TS was available, but Outlaw has been there, done that, and was not happy with the results. It may not make any difference but maybe in his mind he was doing what was right for his team, his community, and his school. I'm sure if the roles were reversed, taking into account all of the past history between these two programs, Dodge might have made the same decision. Go on to the game and have a good time. Do like they do at Tennessee and Alabama. If you can't get into the stadium and watch, party in the parking lot and listen to it on the radio.Why do you feel compelled to open this discussion again? Hasn't this dead horse been beaten enough???

[Favpack]

If Dodge truly did resist Kyle field, he is the one who did a diservice to his community, in my opinion. Sure, TS was available, but Outlaw has been there, done that, and was not happy with the results. It may not make any difference but maybe in his mind he was doing what was right for his team, his community, and his school. I'm sure if the roles were reversed, taking into account all of the past history between these two programs, Dodge might have made the same decision. Go on to the game and have a good time. Do like they do at Tennessee and Alabama. If you can't get into the stadium and watch, party in the parking lot and listen to it on the radio.

Every comment I've heard from Dodge and Outlaw has been very professional and understanding of how it works. Dodge did not feel A&M was a favorable or workable option for his team, so he nixed it -- likewise Outlaw with TS. The coaches seem very cool with the decision - the fans, however, have been vocal about the situation.

I'd bet the same is true of the HP/Marshall coaches -- whereas the HP booster club is very upset.

[SLCDad]

. . . whereas the HP booster club is very upset.The booster club got tickets (along with some others who got access to those sales). The general public, which included zillions of parents, didn't get any tickets.

[Favpack]

A cynical response.

I don't know any of the details regarding the petition. I do know that zero tickets were offered to the general public unless a person could get access to the sales that happened for the booster club.

Actually Dad - the first part was sincere. I wish the coaches would try harder to find a workable, but neutral site - not just assume you go to Texas Stadium because it's big. Marshall lost in the finals last year at TS.

[bullrock]

I didn't open it, I'm just giving my thoughts. I see you're still here too:rolleyes: .

[Joboots]

I feel this coin flip situation is getting a bit out of hand-I always feel that
coin flips should be for seeding teams come playoff time,not for who plays
where-anyone think Outlaw played a part in this 'bout 4-5 years back?

[pack0808]

I didn't open it, I'm just giving my thoughts. I see you're still here too:rolleyes: .


You are correct br about Kyle field. Outlaw said in today's paper that it was the neutral site. Dodge did not want to do it because it was natural grass. So they flipped home and home. Lufkin won and the rest is history.

[LUFPAN]

There are thousands of parents and fans who would disagree with you on this point.

Are you familiar with the 4A Div1 final? Highland Park offered their tickets first to the booster club. They sold out. When fans arrived at the HP stadium at the pre-designated time for tickets to go on sale there were no tickets available. Many parents and fans can't go to the game. I believe they have petitioned the UIL in an attempt to get the game moved so everyone can attend.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I do certainly feel for those parents who may not be able to attend the games. But we can not change the rules just because the coin flips did not favor the bigger stadiums this go around. Any change to the current system needs to be made by the coaches not the UIL. I cringe at the thought of those greedy incompetents trying to get involved in anything.

I'm very familiar with the HP / Marshall game. The Mavs. used to be in the old 12-5A district with Lufkin. It was a great rivalry through the years and I miss playing those guys. Now that they are in 4A I'm a big supporter of the Mavs and do my best to keep up with them as well. GO PACK! GO MAVS! EAST TEXAS PRIDE IS ALIVE:D

[bullrock]

If the booster club is the only ones who got tickets to the HP game there must be a whole lot of them. 5,500???? Now tell me money don't talk. SLCDAD, I think you are mistaking cynicism with facts.

[Favpack]

I didn't open it, I'm just giving my thoughts. I see you're still here too:rolleyes: .
I actually think the discussion is good, lively - and could have an impact on future selections. Sure beats disecting mascot names:)

Does anyone besides me notice that the teams that travel really well with tons of support (Abilene, SL, Katy, Lufkin) at the 4 and 5a levels are rising to the top. This was a non-issue several years ago.

[pack0808]

Now that SFA is only going to allow 18 thou we are only going to hear more complaints. Oh well, it will not make a difference on who wins. The best team will win regardless.

[SLCDad]

If the booster club is the only ones who got tickets to the HP game there must be a whole lot of them. 5,500???? Now tell me money don't talk. SLCDAD, I think you are mistaking cynicism with facts.Not really. . . the post was cynical . . . but probably not completely serious.

[SLCDad]

Now that SFA is only going to allow 18 thou we are only going to hear more complaints. Oh well, it will not make a difference on who wins. The best team will win regardless.A very unfortunate situation for a game of this magnitude.

[Favpack]

A very unfortunate situation for a game of this magnitude.

Let me ask you this Dad - Do you think Coach Dodge was more concerned about playing on grass (A&M) or accomodating all his fans? I'm not sure - he was hoping to win the flip, but, beyond that, it sure appears clear to me he did not have priority No. 1 accomodating all SLC fans - he knew the stadium capacity when he agreed to flip.

Getting back to the issue at hand - do the coaches have too much control over the site selection - or is that a good thing?

[Pack87]

Why do you feel compelled to open this discussion again? Hasn't this dead horse been beaten enough???

Because you keep whining like a child. ALL the blame falls on Dodge not Outlaw IMO. I wonder if now he would like to revisit his choice and play at Kyle Field?

[Redneckn]

Why don't the UIL and the schools all get together, decided on a few locations and build some stadiums that will be long to the UIL/Schools. That way anytime there is anything, there is a place for it. If you were to put 3 stadiums around the state, that would give a place to be so there wouldnt be any of these issues.
Also, they could be used for band/cheer events. Drill events.. smaller teams could use them when 5A doesnt need to.

Could be a good thing and a potential money maker.

[dragonfootballfan]

Because you keep whining like a child. ALL the blame falls on Dodge not Outlaw IMO. I wonder if now he would like to revisit his choice and play at Kyle Field?
This is the sequence of events:

Neutral sites were proposed by both sides and both were nixed by the coaches.

There was a coin flip.

Outlaw won the flip and the ability to choose any stadium that he wanted.

He was the one that chose a stadium that is too small.

I fail to see where Dodge forced him to choose a stadium that is too small, but maybe you can tell me.

[bullrock]

From what I've read, the options were pretty limited. How many stadiums that can seat 40,000 are setting empty right now that Lufkin could call home?

[dragonfootballfan]

From what I've read, the options were pretty limited. How many stadiums that can seat 40,000 are setting empty right now that Lufkin could call home?
Kyle Field

[LUFPAN]

This is the sequence of events:

Neutral sites were proposed by both sides and both were nixed by the coaches.

There was a coin flip.

Outlaw won the flip and the ability to choose any stadium that he wanted.

He was the one that chose a stadium that is too small.

I fail to see where Dodge forced him to choose a stadium that is too small, but maybe you can tell me.

There is no way anybody cand tell you anything. You have been on here crying since Saturday night about the location. Despite the fact that Coach Dodge is the one who refused to play at Kyle Field, you still insist it was Coach Outlaw's fault. Only choosing Texas Stadium would have made you happy. While I admire your loyalty to your team, your incessant whining is becoming pretty old. Get over it. No amount of crying is going to change the game site. SLC is the team to beat in this one and I don't think seating capacity is going to change that. SLC is a well coached, disciplined team, seating capacity is not going to change that either. I have no doubts Coach Dodge will have the Dragons all fired up for the game Saturday. Instead of complaining, get in your car and drive to Nac on Saturday to support your team.

[raidercheerdad]

I wish both teams lots of luck but stadium size had to be an issue in Coach Dodge's mind when this all went down. There were viable options and they were rejected by both coaches. It went to a coin flip and I'm sure that Dodge knew where Outlaw was going to pick, yet he CHOSE to gamble w/a coin flip.

[drgnbkr]

I'm over it...I don't care if they play in a Wal-Mart parking lot..I'm in! See all of you on Saturday...

[SLCDad]

Because you keep whining like a child. ALL the blame falls on Dodge not Outlaw IMO. I wonder if now he would like to revisit his choice and play at Kyle Field?Don't make me laugh. To late . . . you just did.

In all honestly, I think you have me confused with someone else. It is unfortunate that Homer is to small. I think everyone (both Lufkin and SLC) would love to be playing in a 35,000+ seat venue.

[dragonfootballfan]

There is no way anybody cand tell you anything. You have been on here crying since Saturday night about the location. Despite the fact that Coach Dodge is the one who refused to play at Kyle Field, you still insist it was Coach Outlaw's fault. Only choosing Texas Stadium would have made you happy. While I admire your loyalty to your team, your incessant whining is becoming pretty old. Get over it. No amount of crying is going to change the game site. SLC is the team to beat in this one and I don't think seating capacity is going to change that. SLC is a well coached, disciplined team, seating capacity is not going to change that either. I have no doubts Coach Dodge will have the Dragons all fired up for the game Saturday. Instead of complaining, get in your car and drive to Nac on Saturday to support your team.
The stadium is too small. I don't care where the game is held as long as it is in a big enough venue to hold everyone that can get to the game.

[LUFPAN]

I'm over it...I don't care if they play in a Wal-Mart parking lot..I'm in! See all of you on Saturday...

Now that's the attitude of a true fan. I'll see see you at the game.

[Pack87]

Don't make me laugh. To late . . . you just did.

In all honestly, I think you have me confused with someone else. It is unfortunate that Homer is to small. I think everyone (both Lufkin and SLC) would love to be playing in a 35,000+ seat venue.

No confusion here. I have read enough of your posts to know that you and DFF are the biggest homer crybabies on this site. But that's OK. I guess we all come here to voice our opinions and have some fun.

[shooter]

Why don't the UIL and the schools all get together, decided on a few locations and build some stadiums that will be long to the UIL/Schools.

Let see to build these stadiums they would have to have money. Now UIL has money but not for stadiums. So i guess they would have to dig into Mr and Mrs. Homeowner's pockets once again.

That Vote on an Election day would be a landslide!!!

[shooter]

Kyle Field
I thought Kyle Field was the Nutral Site. Man i'm getting confused.

[Redneckn]

Let see to build these stadiums they would have to have money. Now UIL has money but not for stadiums. So i guess they would have to dig into Mr and Mrs. Homeowner's pockets once again.

That Vote on an Election day would be a landslide!!!


That's crap. They have the money. Maybe not all at once, but over a period of time. If each ISD would kick in some out of the "sports" fund it could be done.

The bottom line is that there is a way to fix this and if everyone is unwilling to help, then they have no right to complain. I would think with 2 NFL teams here and soon to be 3, the UIL could pressure them to donate some. Get NIKE in on it. It could be done.

That was my point.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

stadium crises? - please. Nuetral-Home and Home coin fip; hey it's just part of The passion that is TEXAS HIGHSCHOOL FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS. It is part of the game.

When you go hunting for that prized game in Texas; Who the hell needs clean underwear? THAT DOG WON'T HUNT. PLAY THE GAME!!!!

[bullrock]

Allright tigerdad! Let's get another peeing in the shower drain going here.

[slorch]

A very unfortunate situation for a game of this magnitude.
I guess after all of this bickering, we should just put the game at Texas Motor Speedway( it's artificial surface and location should be to Dodge's liking, and you could get off this MYTHIC obligation to " the fans". And the HP fans will have a place to sit too.

All the spoiled folks happy in one place- sounds like a beatle's song

[slorch]

Kyle Field
Kyle Field being home for LUFKIN is OUTRAGEOUS.
it's over a 2 hour drive to BCS from Lufkin. Would Dodge offer up DK Royal as his home option?Think about what you're saying...

It may be a small world, but you have never looked at the state of Texas on a map.

[dragonfootballfan]

Kyle Field being home for LUFKIN is OUTRAGEOUS.
it's over a 2 hour drive to BCS from Lufkin. Would Dodge offer up DK Royal as his home option?Think about what you're saying...

It may be a small world, but you have never looked at the state of Texas on a map.
They asked what I would have chosen if I were Lufkin's coach. That was the honest answer that I gave. I think that it is a good choice for them, but they chose a different site becuase they have a different attitude than I do. Why should Dodge put up a stadium that is far away when there is a suitable stadium close by? In Lufkin's case, there was not a suitable stadium close by and your coach admitted it. If that is the case you either have to travel or play in a stadium that is too small. Lufkin chose to play in a stadium that is too small. I would have traveled

[Butch Fifield]

I am sorry, but you pay a price for living out in the sticks. You should not expect all the amenities you get by living close to a major city. When you get to the semifinal & final level of the Texas High School Playoffs, you can't expect to have the right to host them when you do not have the facilities to accomodate them. Imagine if Southlake chose their home stadium in Southlake. Why don't they try to do that every week?

There is a reason you don't have conventions coming to Nacodoches. The same should be true with these games.

[CKE]

I think you all need to stop crying about the feilds and let the kids play football. there is 100 yards at SFA just like there is at any other stadium so get over it. high school football is for the players not the fans

[dragonfootballfan]

I think you all need to stop crying about the feilds and let the kids play football. there is 100 yards at SFA just like there is at any other stadium so get over it. high school football is for the players not the fans
so the players don't like having any fan support?

[PackAttack2005]

Too bad that the classifications won't mix, because HP vs SLC would be a good fit for the blue noses in the Dallas area. They could just meet and have a big social hoe down at Texas Stadium. Then Lufkin vs Marshall could have a good scrape down here in East Texas and renew the old blood rival. Then everyone would be happy and all the people who think they are too good for East Texas can play in that old musty, busted and overpriced Texas Stadium.

[CKE]

yes they do but i think if you fill up the stadium SFA it will be enough. yes even you poor souls that have to sit on the grass. if you support your teams so much go stand on the railing and yell for them and stop complaining

[VB Pack Fan]

I just read where SLC coach did not want to play at Kyle Field beacuse it was grass. So with that being he opted to let his fans travel another two hours to SFA. Now I know why he did not want to play on grass, but the fans that are downing our coach should have a talk with Todd.They had a chance for the big stadium that would hold all your fans, and they elected not too, so in reality ,if all the fans can,t get a seat, blame Dodge and not Outlaw.........:D :D

[dragonfootballfan]

I just read where SLC coach did not want to play at Kyle Field beacuse it was grass. So with that being he opted to let his fans travel another two hours to SFA. Now I know why he did not want to play on grass, but the fans that are downing our coach should have a talk with Todd.They had a chance for the big stadium that would hold all your fans, and they elected not too, so in reality ,if all the fans can,t get a seat, blame Dodge and not Outlaw.........:D :D
Outlaw also turned down a neutral site of Texas Stadium because he did not want to travel. Is it his fault now?

[VB Pack Fan]

Outlaw also turned down a neutral site of Texas Stadium because he did not want to travel. Is it his fault now?

Yes......How stupid would Outlaw look to win the flip and play in Dallas, come on man we won the flip and Dodge could have played at A&M.:eek:

[dragonfootballfan]

How stupid would Outlaw look to win the flip and play in Dallas, come on man we won the flip and Dodge could have played at A&M.:eek:
I did not say that after winning the flip Outlaw should have chose Texas Stadium. I said that Dodge offered Outlaw Texas Stadium for a neutral site and he turned it down just like Dodge turned down Kyle field.

[VB Pack Fan]

So gas up the Hummer,s and come on to east texas..........and have a safe trip.;)

[PowerPack'd]

Outlaw also turned down a neutral site of Texas Stadium because he did not want to travel. Is it his fault now?
Texas Stadium is about as neutral as SFA Stadium (Homer Bryce)!

[PowerPack'd]

There are thousands of parents and fans who would disagree with you on this point.

Are you familiar with the 4A Div1 final? Highland Park offered their tickets first to the booster club. They sold out. When fans arrived at the HP stadium at the pre-designated time for tickets to go on sale there were no tickets available. Many parents and fans can't go to the game. I believe they have petitioned the UIL in an attempt to get the game moved so everyone can attend.
Moved where? A neutral site like Texas Stadium?!?:eek:

[Favpack]

They asked what I would have chosen if I were Lufkin's coach. That was the honest answer that I gave. I think that it is a good choice for them, but they chose a different site becuase they have a different attitude than I do. Why should Dodge put up a stadium that is far away when there is a suitable stadium close by? In Lufkin's case, there was not a suitable stadium close by and your coach admitted it. If that is the case you either have to travel or play in a stadium that is too small. Lufkin chose to play in a stadium that is too small. I would have traveled

With all due respect DFF - you've made it abundantly clear to everyone on this forum you know nothing about football. No Dragon regular here is backing you. Were you at the PLano/SLC game? You never answered that question earlier. How many Dragon games have you been to this year?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion - but a totally ignorant one is easily dismissed. The more you speak you worse you look.

[dragonfootballfan]

Texas Stadium is about as neutral as SFA Stadium (Homer Bryce)!
so your coach turned it down. Just like Coach Dodge turned down Kyle field.

[dragons08]

wow would of never thought id find DFF on this thread...just give it up please? do it for the dragons!

[dragonfootballfan]

With all due respect DFF - you've made it abundantly clear to everyone on this forum you know nothing about football. No Dragon regular here is backing you. Were you at the PLano/SLC game? You never answered that question earlier. How many Dragon games have you been to this year?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion - but a totally ignorant one is easily dismissed. The more you speak you worse you look.
How is it clear that I know nothing about football in a thread about a stadium? Do I need the support of others in order to make a point? Does it matter how many games a year I go to and if I went to the game last week? If you must know, I will tell you. Between 1998-2002 I did not miss a single game. After that I had a change in my life that prevented me from going to all of the games. In 2003 I went to four games, 2004 I went to five games and this year so far I have attended seven. I was unable to attend last week's game with Plano and I will not be able to attend this week against Lufkin. Does this mean that I do not support the Dragons? Does this mean that I am not "real" Carroll as some other posters have said? Does this mean that I still do not know many people in the community? Does this mean that I no longer have strong ties to the football team? Does this mean that I know nothing about football? Does this mean that I have to stay out of this argument? Does this mean that I do not care about what happens this weekend? Does this mean I need to think exactly like everybody else? Does this mean that I am an idiot, stupid, ignorant, and etc. (all names that I have been called)? Should I be subjected to personal attacks and rules being broken with no recourse toward those that break them because I have a differing opinion?

[dragons08]

How is it clear that I know nothing about football in a thread about a stadium? Do I need the support of others in order to make a point? Does it matter how many games a year I go to and if I went to the game last week? If you must know, I will tell you. Between 1998-2002 I did not miss a single game. After that I had a change in my life that prevented me from going to all of the games. In 2003 I went to four games, 2004 I went to five games and this year so far I have attended seven. I was unable to attend last week's game with Plano and I will not be able to attend this week against Lufkin. Does this mean that I do not support the Dragons? Does this mean that I am not "real" Carroll as some other posters have said? Does this mean that I still do not know many people in the community? Does this mean that I no longer have strong ties to the football team? Does this mean that I know nothing about football? Does this mean that I have to stay out of this argument? Does this mean that I do not care about what happens this weekend? Does this mean I need to think exactly like everybody else? Does this mean that I am an idiot, stupid, ignorant, and etc. (all names that I have been called)? Should I be subjected to personal attacks and rules being broken with no recourse toward those that break them because I have a differing opinion?
all were saying is just drop your stupid arugment, if you want me to i'll agree with you just so you stop it, you dont know how annoying it is, it seems EVERY post is the same "its selfish" blah blah blah

[dragonfootballfan]

all were saying is just drop your stupid arugment, if you want me to i'll agree with you just so you stop it, you dont know how annoying it is, it seems EVERY post is the same "its selfish" blah blah blah
I don't want you to agree with me to make me stop. If you want me to stop it is simple. Do not post something on a public message board that you do not want to get a reply to. I have never started one thread about this issue, just posted in existing ones.

[Favpack]

all were saying is just drop your stupid arugment, if you want me to i'll agree with you just so you stop it, you dont know how annoying it is, it seems EVERY post is the same "its selfish" blah blah blah
Listen to the kid - just drop the thread.....and walk away -- slowly;) As I stated DFF -- you're entitled - we all are. You've simply argued you way around the world and back - and you're starting to sound a little incoherent to be honest. Sorry if you felt I personally attacked you - that wasn't the intention.

[dragonfootballfan]

Listen to the kid - just drop the thread.....and walk away -- slowly;) As I stated DFF -- you're entitled - we all are. You've simply argued you way around the world and back - and you're starting to sound a little incoherent to be honest. Sorry if you felt I personally attacked you - that wasn't the intention.
Do you want to know what is incoherent. This line of reasoning.

Two coaches cannot decide on where to hold an important football game, so they decide to flip a coin in order to make it fair.

Coach A wins the coin toss and gets to choose any stadium that he wants. He chose a stadium that he admits is too small.

When people wonder why the game is in that stadium, they are told that it is Coach B's fault.

[Favpack]

Do you want to know what is incoherent. This line of reasoning.

Two coaches cannot decide on where to hold an important football game, so they decide to flip a coin in order to make it fair.

Coach A wins the coin toss and gets to choose any stadium that he wants. He chose a stadium that he admits is too small.

When people wonder why the game is in that stadium, they are told that it is Coach B's fault.

Your simply arguing against the system man. Who knows, maybe the system changes next year. But, your lack of coherence on this issue is -- you think TS is a neutral site when it isn't - it's 15 minutes max from your fieldhouse. it's a clear advantage for the Dragons. Kyle Field is clearly the best TRULY neutral site available - but your coach nixed that idea and offered up no other truly neutral site. He analyzed his options and the system and opted for a coin flip - and lost. And that sentence has been typed a bazillion times on these threads - adios dudes and dudettes.

[drgnbkr]

Ahhhhhhhh! The thread that would'nt die...Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[Favpack]

Ahhhhhhhh! The thread that would'nt die...Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Take the thread out and lay it on your driveway Drgnbkr - let it freeze to death.:eek: It's only miserable and rainy here - no frozen stuff yet.

[drgnbkr]

We just dipped below 20 here, with lots of wet stuff..it's pretty slick out there..I'm glad its suppose to warm up by Saturday.

[green day]

Sometimes, this site gives insight to Texas Football and it's rich tradition. Growing up in the midwest, Texas football always had a mystique and now I'm a part of it. But frankly boys, some of the posts on this thing make me wonder...


what did you guys do with all your time before the internet? What do they have to do with the sport of football? Let's talk about the game- that's all that matters. Question- how many other states are even playing HS football at this time of year? Few, if any. We are lucky just to have a game to play, regardless of where it's at...

bring on the baseball season!!!

[bullrock]

Amen!

[PowerPack'd]

so your coach turned it down. Just like Coach Dodge turned down Kyle field.
My point is that at least Coach Outlaw proposed a neutral site in Kyle Field. If indeed Coach Dodge proposed Texas Stadium as a neutral site, that is the best joke I have heard this season!:p

[PowerPack'd]

Sometimes, this site gives insight to Texas Football and it's rich tradition. Growing up in the midwest, Texas football always had a mystique and now I'm a part of it. But frankly boys, some of the posts on this thing make me wonder...


what did you guys do with all your time before the internet? What do they have to do with the sport of football? Let's talk about the game- that's all that matters. Question- how many other states are even playing HS football at this time of year? Few, if any. We are lucky just to have a game to play, regardless of where it's at...

bring on the baseball season!!!
Well spoken green day. Start a thread about what will actually happen on the field on Saturday and I will be happy to join in!

[ACM Dad]

Here's my thoughts for what they are worth... I used to be a Vasity coach many years ago. I'd want neutral any day as opposed to taking the chance of playing in the other guy's back yard. But, if that neutral site could not be agreed upon and I win the home/home flip, I'm picking the place that gives my players the best advantage of winning. Not having to ride in a bus to CS for 2 hours or SLC for way more than 2 hours, gives my kids the advantage.

So, Lufkin won the toss, Lufkin picked the best site for his players to get a chance to go to the state finals. That is all that matters. Case closed. The SLC coach knew that there were no world-class stadiums in or near Lufkin when he agreed to the home/home flip. I'd say both of them should have worked a bit harder to make the neutral thing happen. (not sure who was the blame there)

Just my two cents. Be thankful your teams are still alive and playing this weekend.

[GoOwls]

I read a few of the posts and decided just to post my opinion and forget the mostly drivel that has been posted here. I'm a Garland fan and have no interest in the upcoming games. This is how it should be....period.

Any time a fan can't get a seat at a high school palyoff game is just plain wrong. The state pays for these schools and their activities out of our tax money. Any time a fan is unable to attend a game over a coin flip and coaching strategy, it amounts to taxation without representation. If I pay my taxes and can't attend a game to watch the team I pay taxes for, I'm not being represented.....period.

Games of such importancce and interest where a large crowd is expected should be mandated to be plaed in a facility where the crowd (taxpayers) can be accomodated.

We must remember that the teams themselves and coaches jobs would not exist if not for the taxes paid by the citizens of their cities. The game would not be paid if not for these fans (taxpayers), now excluded from seeing their team play for their first championship in 48 years. Also the SLC/Lufkin game in Nac is rediculous also, whomever made the decision, for the exact same reason. I question the decision to play the Trinity/Juson game in RR.

To conclude, anytime fans (taxpayers) are excluded from watching a HS game, for any selfish reason, is reprehensible.

[VB Pack Fan]

Here's my thoughts for what they are worth... I used to be a Vasity coach many years ago. I'd want neutral any day as opposed to taking the chance of playing in the other guy's back yard. But, if that neutral site could not be agreed upon and I win the home/home flip, I'm picking the place that gives my players the best advantage of winning. Not having to ride in a bus to CS for 2 hours or SLC for way more than 2 hours, gives my kids the advantage.

So, Lufkin won the toss, Lufkin picked the best site for his players to get a chance to go to the state finals. That is all that matters. Case closed. The SLC coach knew that there were no world-class stadiums in or near Lufkin when he agreed to the home/home flip. I'd say both of them should have worked a bit harder to make the neutral thing happen. (not sure who was the blame there)

Just my two cents. Be thankful your teams are still alive and playing this weekend.

AMC dad you hit the nail on the head....each coach had there best interest at heart....we won they lost, Texas stadium was not a neutral site, they play there as much as the Cowboys.

[ACM Dad]

I read a few of the posts and decided just to post my opinion and forget the mostly drivel that has been posted here. I'm a Garland fan and have no interest in the upcoming games. This is how it should be....period.

Any time a fan can't get a seat at a high school palyoff game is just plain wrong. The state pays for these schools and their activities out of our tax money. Any time a fan is unable to attend a game over a coin flip and coaching strategy, it amounts to taxation without representation. If I pay my taxes and can't attend a game to watch the team I pay taxes for, I'm not being represented.....period.

Games of such importancce and interest where a large crowd is expected should be mandated to be plaed in a facility where the crowd (taxpayers) can be accomodated.

We must remember that the teams themselves and coaches jobs would not exist if not for the taxes paid by the citizens of their cities. The game would not be paid if not for these fans (taxpayers), now excluded from seeing their team play for their first championship in 48 years. Also the SLC/Lufkin game in Nac is rediculous also, whomever made the decision, for the exact same reason. I question the decision to play the Trinity/Juson game in RR.

To conclude, anytime fans (taxpayers) are excluded from watching a HS game, for any selfish reason, is reprehensible.


Wrong, it's all about the kids, not the citizens of TX. I'm betting SFA is the biggest stadium in East Texas. SLC coach knew this was the only true "home" option for Lufkin HS.

I have no loyalty to either team. I'm just calling it as I see it.

[VB Pack Fan]

I read a few of the posts and decided just to post my opinion and forget the mostly drivel that has been posted here. I'm a Garland fan and have no interest in the upcoming games. This is how it should be....period.

Any time a fan can't get a seat at a high school palyoff game is just plain wrong. The state pays for these schools and their activities out of our tax money. Any time a fan is unable to attend a game over a coin flip and coaching strategy, it amounts to taxation without representation. If I pay my taxes and can't attend a game to watch the team I pay taxes for, I'm not being represented.....period.

Games of such importancce and interest where a large crowd is expected should be mandated to be plaed in a facility where the crowd (taxpayers) can be accomodated.
We must remember that the teams themselves and coaches jobs would not exist if not for the taxes paid by the citizens of their cities. The game would not be paid if not for these fans (taxpayers), now excluded from seeing their team play for their first championship in 48 years. Also the SLC/Lufkin game in Nac is rediculous also, whomever made the decision, for the exact same reason. I question the decision to play the Trinity/Juson game in RR.

To conclude, anytime fans (taxpayers) are excluded from watching a HS game, for any selfish reason, is reprehensible.

This makes as much sense as Dragonfootballfan makes.So you are saying that if The Alamo Dome where available we should have played there and drive over four hours to a game, because no Houston stadium was available and Texas stadium is not neutral in our opinin.....;)

[ACM Dad]

How badly would lufkin fans be complaining if SLC had won and they were playing in Texslum Stadium?

I really don't know the answer to that question. Both coaches knew the potential results of a coin flip. Why don't all the fans understand it as well. If you're mad, complain to your coach about not working harder to find a neutral site.

* I, for one, would have loved to have all of y'all at Kyle Field. I know I'd have been there. As it sits right now, I do not know of any games being played at Kyle.

[GoOwls]

This makes as much sense as Dragonfootballfan makes.So you are saying that if The Alamo Dome where available we should have played there and drive over four hours to a game, because no Houston stadium was available and Texas stadium is not neutral in our opinin.....;)

First, where did I say Texas Stadium? Nowhere......don't put words in my mouth.

Second, the Alamo Dome would be a rediculous place for this game, don't just throw stuff out to see if it sticks, we're smarter than that here.

Third, I don't know if the Houston stadiums were unavailable or not, I have no ties to this game.

Fourth, I'm just saying that it isn't right if taxpayers can't attend the game....period. They have a right to be there.

Fifth, Garland and Highland Park are HATED rivals and it's really hard for me to feel sorry for them.......but in this case, I do. Southlake fans too.

[GoOwls]

Wrong, it's all about the kids, not the citizens of TX. I'm betting SFA is the biggest stadium in East Texas. SLC coach knew this was the only true "home" option for Lufkin HS.

I have no loyalty to either team. I'm just calling it as I see it.

Wrong, it's not about anything if the schools don't get built, and the taxes don't get paid, and the legislature doesn't legislate the funds, and the ISD's don't collect the taxes for all this to happen. It's about the kids because all this happened first and we, the fans have insisted it be about the kids.

Tell me, how does it benefit the HP or Southlake kids if all their family and friends and fans are unable to fit into the puny stadiums used for these games? It doesn't, it hurts them if their parents are unable to see them play the most important game of their lives.

Just a point to ponder. There was talk that if Garland had beaten The Cove and South had beaten Lufkin, where would the game be played. Many favored the game be played in Garland and keep it "in the house". However, fans would have been turned away as HBJ holds 14,000 and Williams holds 12,000. The game would have certainly beeen played in Texas Stadium to avoid this horrible situation.

Possibly, cooler and smarter heads should have worked out something that would have avoided this travesty also.

[ACM Dad]

Wrong, it's not about anything if the schools don't get built, and the taxes don't get paid, and the legislature doesn't legislate the funds, and the ISD's don't collect the taxes for all this to happen. It's about the kids because all this happened first and we, the fans have insisted it be about the kids.

Tell me, how does it benefit the HP or Southlake kids if all their family and friends and fans are unable to fit into the puny stadiums used for these games? It doesn't, it hurts them if their parents are unable to see them play the most important game of their lives.

Just a point to ponder. There was talk that if Garland had beaten The Cove and South had beaten Lufkin, where would the game be played. Many favored the game be played in Garland and keep it "in the house". However, fans would have been turned away as HBJ holds 14,000 and Williams holds 12,000. The game would have certainly beeen played in Texas Stadium to avoid this horrible situation.

Possibly, cooler and smarter heads should have worked out something that would have avoided this travesty also.


We can agree to disagree I guess. But, 18000 holds every friend and family member for both teams (and I'm talking cousins, grandma, stinky old grandpappy, you name it). The two coaches, though, could not work it out. That's a shame for the team that lost the flip. I guess the SLC coach was feeling lucky.

[slorch]

Do you want to know what is incoherent. This line of reasoning.

Two coaches cannot decide on where to hold an important football game, so they decide to flip a coin in order to make it fair.

Coach A wins the coin toss and gets to choose any stadium that he wants. He chose a stadium that he admits is too small.

When people wonder why the game is in that stadium, they are told that it is Coach B's fault.

you know what man, I wish I had time to be on every single thread agitating ol' LP fans.

IT's unfathomable how your coach turned down Dead Dog Field and yet you say Lufkin's should have picked it as his home option . He was only trying to oblige your coach- don't you think. People are friendly here in Texas and he was just extending that compassion to Dodge, the Dragons, your fans, and even you by not picking a stadium your coach said he did not want.

Otherwise just remember we all love you, but would enjoy ready alot less of the repititious nonsense you fold into the recipe of 5a football conversation.
It is beyond unreasonable to expect you to get it after 2 nights. I'm truly sorry you couldn't be a referee or democratic senator with this level of intelligence. Why don't you go bang your head on the wall 50 times- it would require a higher IQ than your posts.

Have a great day. Sorry I ever replied to any of your posts. Conversation requires at least 2 voices... you figure it out.

[slorch]

How badly would lufkin fans be complaining if SLC had won and they were playing in Texslum Stadium?

I really don't know the answer to that question. Both coaches knew the potential results of a coin flip. Why don't all the fans understand it as well. If you're mad, complain to your coach about not working harder to find a neutral site.

* I, for one, would have loved to have all of y'all at Kyle Field. I know I'd have been there. As it sits right now, I do not know of any games being played at Kyle.

Lufkin is used to travelling even for their first Friday playoff game last week.

If they lost the toss it would be no big deal, but for some of the Dragon fans it is sssoooooooo trying to leave the metroplex to support their teams

[dragons08]

Lufkin is used to travelling even for their first Friday playoff game last week.

If they lost the toss it would be no big deal, but for some of the Dragon fans it is sssoooooooo trying to leave the metroplex to support their teams
not for some, just one, who is not even going..

[dragonfootballfan]

Lufkin is used to travelling even for their first Friday playoff game last week.

If they lost the toss it would be no big deal, but for some of the Dragon fans it is sssoooooooo trying to leave the metroplex to support their teams
nobody is complaining about leaving the metroplex. People are complaining because the stadium is not big enough and the Lufkin coach even admitted that the stadium is too small.

[dragonfootballfan]

not for some, just one, who is not even going..
I guess I should not be allowed to voice my opinion on a public message board if it does not affect me, but affects my family, friends, and neighbors?

[dragons08]

I guess I should not be allowed to voice my opinion on a public message board if it does not affect me, but affects my family, friends, and neighbors?
i get your point on the stadium being to small..but it gives lufkin the "home field advantage" lets see home and home, means home game then away game right, or vice versa..so next time we play, we'll have the home advantage..

[Firebird]

Whine Whine Whine Whine Whine.

I swear. This has always been part of high school football. If the coaches can't agree on a neutral site, they flip home and home. Sounds to me like the SLC coach should have been more amenable. If I were Outlaw, I would have made SLC come to Lufkin.

Of course big city fan's are going to want to demand that the game be played at a stadium that can hold at least as many people as were at their biggest game. It always will favor the big city teams, because that's where you can find an abundance of bigger stadiums. Sorry, slick-- you gotta go to the country if that is how the chips fall. Dodge should have thought of that before he turned down Kyle Field.

This is no new idea in HS football, just a new trick. Here's a bit of Odessa Permian lore from WAAAAAY back when--

A metroplex coach (I forget which school) told the Permian coach that he could pick the site, if he could pick the turf (he picked astro turf). Knowing that Jones Stadium (Tech) was already booked for games, he figured that it would be a lock to come to Dallas, as back then astro turf was a real rarity.

Wrong. He forgot about West Texas A&M. Permian dragged those city slickers up to the Panhandle late in the season, and beat the tar out of them in the cold. And, of course, Odessa fans traveled to Canyon, Dallas fans-- not so much.

Fight the good fight Coach Outlaw!!! Don't cave to the big city boys.

[dragonfootballfan]

i get your point on the stadium being to small..but it gives lufkin the "home field advantage" lets see home and home, means home game then away game right, or vice versa..so next time we play, we'll have the home advantage..
I understand that too. I also understand that the Lufkin coach could choose the stadium he wanted to and it was not against the rules. I was dissapointed in his choice and feel that he could have made a better one. It is not very hard to get my side of the argument. I already understand the other side.

[dragons08]

I understand that too. I also understand that the Lufkin coach could choose the stadium he wanted to and it was not against the rules. I was dissapointed in his choice and feel that he could have made a better one. It is not very hard to get my side of the argument. I already understand the other side.
what better one could he have taken?

[LufkinPanthers2008]

all the stadium bullsh*t should like stop because its like getting annoying here's a solution why dont we play in a carboard box and be happy that our teams have made it this far :cool:

[dragonfootballfan]

what better one could he have taken?
He could have chosen Kyle field. He did not, but that was his decision. I felt he should have taken Kyle, but he didn't. I am dissapointed with his choice and felt there was a better one that he could have made. I don't want the venue moved now. He chose the site that he wanted and I disagree with that choice. According to some people, I am not allowed to dissagree with him.

[dragons08]

He could have chosen Kyle field. He did not, but that was his decision. I felt he should have taken Kyle, but he didn't. I am dissapointed with his choice and felt there was a better one that he could have made. I don't want the venue moved now. He chose the site that he wanted and I disagree with that choice. According to some people, I am not allowed to dissagree with him.
thats more of neutral not home, but what ever

[dragonfootballfan]

thats more of neutral not home, but what ever
your choice is your home.

[dragons08]

your choice is your home.
i know, but its not a "true" home, i get your point though

[dragonfootballfan]

i know, but its not a "true" home, i get your point though
I understand your point too.

[dragons08]

I understand your point too.
we'll agree to disagree

[rantanamo]

The UIL simply needs to control these sites and have pre-determined sites where all the teams will play. Therefore Texas could be like the other states and televise a whole day or two of championship games. As great as we think Texas football is, we have a ton to learn from other states. Anyone who has C/Ku Band satellite or have lived in other states know what I'm talking about. Coaches Assoc = too much power.

[Firebird]

Just going back and doing the math (not really to hard)

18,000 seats.

That is 9,000 seats for each school.

How are kids' families not getting tickets????

I know that in Harlingen, we used to have this problem--

The school district, of course, takes delivery of the tickets. Our AD and superintendent felt like bigshots when they got to give away tickets to Harlingen play off games (Harlingen is often the last play off team from the valley). So, they gave away the choice seats to their admin. buddies in neighboring districts. I remember on 3rd round game, all the good sets were empty because the folks who got free tix didn't show up to the nasty, rainy game, while the diehard fans packed the cheap seats.

Harlingen fans got organized, got up in arms, and fixed our play off ticket system to where no tickets can get sold, or seats blacked out, until:

A. Each varsity player gets 2 tickets free for his folks.
B. The season ticket holder, by control number, opt to buy their tickets, at an equivelant row and seat as their home tickets.

And NO tickets get given away, unless the district fails to sell their allotment.

Some schools around the valley, who are not as savvy about the playoffs as Harlingen, still have this problem of admins who want to feel like big men.

If SLC parents didn't get tickets, blame your administration and ticket distribution system for not taking care of it, not Coach Outlaw. 9,000 is more than enough.

[dragonfootballfan]

Just doing a little math here

There are 18,000 tickets

There are 15,000 seats

There were 33,000 and 34,000 at Carrolls past two playoff games

33,000 >>> 18,000

[dragons08]

Just doing a little math here

There are 18,000 tickets

There are 15,000 seats

There were 33,000 and 34,000 at Carrolls past two playoff games

33,000 >>> 18,000
greater than greater than greater than..

must be some new math sign or something

[dragonfootballfan]

greater than greater than greater than..

must be some new math sign or something
it means a lot greater than as a rough estimate like

Mass of sun >>> mass of dragons08

[dragons08]

it means a lot greater than as a rough estimate like

Mass of sun >>> mass of dragons08
i think i got the hang of it..

D08's coolness >>>>>>>>> dragonfootballfan's coolness

:D :D :D

[dragonfootballfan]

i think i got the hang of it..

D08's coolness >>>>>>>>> dragonfootballfan's coolness

:D :D :D
You are probably right in the context of this board. I have not made many friends this week. Hopefully it will all boil over really soon.

[dragons08]

You are probably right in the context of this board. I have not made many friends this week. Hopefully it will all boil over really soon.
im pretty cool with you, just not on some occasions (the whole stadium crap), other times you do have good input and what not, just the stadium stuff yea..its over now

[SLCDRGN]

Thanks to the ego's of 2 bigshot head coaches, we have a bigtime game in a stadium that is too small to host a semifinal game. Both Districts left a lot of money on the table....DUMB!!! Both Districts left a lot of people who do not live in the 2 cities out in the cold...DUMB!! Move the game to Houston fools!!

It really does not bother me. This will make the Dragons more mad and take it out on the Panthers. I smell a blowout East Texas!!

SLC 56
Lufkin 13

If the game was at a more reasonable site, the Dragons would be a little kinder!!

SLC 35
Lufkin 13

It does not matter either way!!

[Jaws89]

Don't think Dodge would go to Houston ... his only choice was TS ... Houston is fine with us ! Fact is ... pretty much anywhere but TS ...

[drgnbkr]

It will be interesting to see how it plays out if Carroll & Katy win...where will the game be? I would think it will come down to home & home, with Texas Stadium & either Rice or Reliant stadiums being the options. If SV & Carroll meet, my bet is Floyd Casey. Got tough games this Saturday though before any of the above can happen..

[dragonfootballfan]

It will be interesting to see how it plays out if Carroll & Katy win...where will the game be? I would think it will come down to home & home, with Texas Stadium & either Rice or Reliant stadiums being the options. If SV & Carroll meet, my bet is Floyd Casey. Got tough games this Saturday though before any of the above can happen..
I have heard that they flip home and home with TS vs. Reliant

[DC2145]

TS - Carroll won flip. And just think next year if we both make it to this game, Lufkin will have to play at Dragon Staduim, Lufkin gets 4500 tickets.:D

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

TS - Carroll won flip. And just think next year if we both make it to this game, Lufkin will have to play at Dragon Staduim, Lufkin gets 4500 tickets.:D
That is fine with us. All Lufkin fans know the game is won on the field not in the stands. Just a little FYI for those of you who have never suited up an played.

[PackAttack2005]

Your totally wrong DC. If this happens again next year, the game would be at Texas Stadium. SFA is not Lufkin's home stadium. Abe Martin is the home stadium for Lufkin. Niether Abe Martin or Dragon Stadium were ever part of this deal.

[DC2145]

Makes no difference, next year Carroll can chose any stadium they wish.

[raidercheerdad]

Makes no difference, next year Carroll can chose any stadium they wish.
Would you please quote the page and paragraph that you are getting that out of the UIL handbook?

[bullrock]

For all the years I've been involved, that's been the rule. The roles reverse next year if both teams meet. Don't know where it's stated, but that's how it is.

[dragonfootballfan]

Would you please quote the page and paragraph that you are getting that out of the UIL handbook?
can you quote where it says the contrary?

[LoneRocket]

For all the years I've been involved, that's been the rule. The roles reverse next year if both teams meet. Don't know where it's stated, but that's how it is.
I believe it is a five year rule, if this were 96, ET would have the choice of where we would play.

[raidercheerdad]

(4) Home Sites. When two schools flip for two separate sites other than their home field, the sites are considered home sites unless both sites are near mid-point.

(1) Seating. The visiting team has the right to demand one-half of the stadium seats in relation to the 50-yard line in all League football contests, whether district games, non-district games, or playoff games, unless mutually agreed otherwise by the two schools involved. A visiting team can demand one half of the reserved seats. A visiting team has a right to split the stadium in relation to the fifty yard line, subject to the end zone situation being equal, unless mutually agreeable otherwise.

(5) Neutral Sites. A site mid-point or near mid-point or a site agreed on by both schools as neutral, is a neutral site. Unless mutually
agreeable, a site cannot be neutral if it is more than two-thirds the total distance between the two schools.

These are the guidelines out of the UIL handbook concerning these issues. According to this, Dodge should have never been allowed to mention TS as a "neutral" site. And the thing about the seats, unless your stadium only holds 9,000 then Lufkin would have more than that and that would really aggravate the Green machine to have Purple in the middle of your masses!


This is Section 1250: Football Plan, Page 183, of the UIL Handbook. I hope that is adequate.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

For all the years I've been involved, that's been the rule. The roles reverse next year if both teams meet. Don't know where it's stated, but that's how it is.
That's a true story; but huge assumptions that these 2 teams meet again next year. Winning a Region Championship is a big Deal, both Carroll and Lufkin have accomplshed a lot.

Does any one know all the results of the D2 teams?
Did everybody flip?
Did anyone go nuetral?

[dragonfootballfan]

That is nice, but where does it say Carroll cannot choose Dragon Stadium next year if the two teams meet?

[raidercheerdad]

That is nice, but where does it say Carroll cannot choose Dragon Stadium next year if the two teams meet?

(4) Home Sites. When two schools flip for two separate sites other than their home field, the sites are considered home sites unless both sites are near mid-point.

It doesn't specifically say they can't go back and change, but it does say the sites are considered the home sites.

[bullrock]

Somebody find Dragons answer or you'll be here for two days with him asking the same question.

[dragonfootballfan]

(4) Home Sites. When two schools flip for two separate sites other than their home field, the sites are considered home sites unless both sites are near mid-point.

It doesn't specifically say they can't go back and change, but it does say the sites are considered the home sites.
What if Texas Stadium is unavailable that week? Should the game not be played next year?

[KatyTigerDad0407]

That is nice, but where does it say Carroll cannot choose Dragon Stadium next year if the two teams meet? I don't think Dodge would choose Dragon Stadium. It is all based on assumption- but he has too much integrity. My own opinion, although Outlaw is clearly looking out for Lufkins interest, it would have been too much for him to choose Olde Abe.

[dragonfootballfan]

I don't think Dodge would choose Dragon Stadium. It is all based on assumption- but he has too much integrity. My own opimion, although Outlaw is clearly looking out for Lufkins interest, it would have been too much for him to choose Olde Abe.
I am not saying that he will/should choose Dragon Stadium, but somebody said that it would not be allowed. I think it would be allowed.

[raidercheerdad]

What if Texas Stadium is unavailable that week? Should the game not be played next year?

Now you've gone into the world of the ridiculously stupid! Stop whining -- drive to Nacodoches, watch a great HS football game, win or lose, cheer a lot, have a safe trip home, and be glad you are still in it!

[dragonfootballfan]

Now you've gone into the world of the ridiculously stupid! Stop whining -- drive to Nacodoches, watch a great HS football game, win or lose, cheer a lot, have a safe trip home, and be glad you are still in it!
what are you talking about. In this conversation I never mentioned Nacogdoches, nor did I ever whine.

[SLC Dragon Fan]

TS - Carroll won flip. And just think next year if we both make it to this game, Lufkin will have to play at Dragon Staduim, Lufkin gets 4500 tickets.:D

Is the fact that SLC won the flip with Katy official? I hadn't heard that.

[slorch]

How is it clear that I know nothing about football in a thread about a stadium? Do I need the support of others in order to make a point? Does it matter how many games a year I go to and if I went to the game last week? If you must know, I will tell you. Between 1998-2002 I did not miss a single game. After that I had a change in my life that prevented me from going to all of the games. In 2003 I went to four games, 2004 I went to five games and this year so far I have attended seven. I was unable to attend last week's game with Plano and I will not be able to attend this week against Lufkin. Does this mean that I do not support the Dragons? Does this mean that I am not "real" Carroll as some other posters have said? Does this mean that I still do not know many people in the community? Does this mean that I no longer have strong ties to the football team? Does this mean that I know nothing about football? Does this mean that I have to stay out of this argument? Does this mean that I do not care about what happens this weekend? Does this mean I need to think exactly like everybody else? Does this mean that I am an idiot, stupid, ignorant, and etc. (all names that I have been called)? Should I be subjected to personal attacks and rules being broken with no recourse toward those that break them because I have a differing opinion?yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,definately yes, yes, yes,yes,yes, and absolutely yes.
self diagnosis is such a beautiful thing

( was that change in your life a labotomy?

[slorch]

TS - Carroll won flip. And just think next year if we both make it to this game, Lufkin will have to play at Dragon Staduim, Lufkin gets 4500 tickets.:D

i do not understand why everyone thinks SFA is Lufkins home field. Also if Dodge used Dragon Stadium(It would more likely be Texas Stadium,) would not he be committing the same "crime" Outlaw did by choosing a stadium that is too small?