Q & A with John Outlaw

[panthergrad]

In todays Lufkin Daily news..... http://www.lufkindailynews.com/sports/content/sports/stories/2005/12/07/20051207LDNQA.html

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

dang it u beat me to it!! LOL I was just gonna post this....you know what I am gonna post one section of it.



Q How did you and Southlake Carroll Head Coach Todd Dodge go about selecting a field for this week's game?

A Baylor (where the teams have played in the last two meetings) wasn't available. Neither was Reliant Stadium or Austin. They didn't want to play at Kyle Field because they didn't want to play on natural grass. So there really wasn't anything we could do, other than flip for home. They chose Texas Stadium, which is really close for them, and we picked SFA, which is a short drive for us. Fortunately for us, we won the toss. With the support of this community, I knew that if we would have lost the toss, then our fans would have all gotten up at 8 in the morning and made the drive to Texas Stadium. I'm sure Coach Dodge is disappointed that they have to make the drive to East Texas, but there's no doubt that he'll have his team ready to play. In all honesty, a state semifinal game should be played at a bigger stadium. But I wasn't just going to agree to play at Texas Stadium and give them the advantage of such a short drive if I didn't at least have a chance of making them come down here to play. I wanted to reward the people of Lufkin for all of the support they've shown this team. They've had to make three trips to Waco in four weeks. So it's nice for them that they don't have to make another long drive.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Outlaw knows what is good for his team. He did what he felt was right for Lufkin.

[KT2000]

Even with Claybon, I think Lufkin would have a very tough time in this game. However, I'm definitely not going to write the Panthers off. They'll need to play their best game of the year on defense. Not sure what has happened to them in the playoffs, but the consistency is not there. Lufkin definitely needs the running game to do as well as it did against Cove.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Even with Claybon, I think Lufkin would have a very tough time in this game. However, I'm definitely not going to write the Panthers off. They'll need to play their best game of the year on defense. Not sure what has happened to them in the playoffs, but the consistency is not there. Lufkin definitely needs the running game to do as well as it did against Cove.
The defense will be pumped up.:D Im sure they have been watching game film from the last 2 times they played. :mad: :eek:

[panthergrad]

KT2000. I'm the guy you and KTcarl talked to in Whataburger before the Lufkin Cove game. I told you guys that I hoped to be playing Katy in a few weeks and I am not ready to give up on that yet. Will we win? Don't know. Could we win? Yes, and thats what makes this the game of the year IMHO.

[Favpack]

Even with Claybon, I think Lufkin would have a very tough time in this game. However, I'm definitely not going to write the Panthers off. They'll need to play their best game of the year on defense. Not sure what has happened to them in the playoffs, but the consistency is not there. Lufkin definitely needs the running game to do as well as it did against Cove.
KT - as I stated, Lufkin needs a few "ifs" to win - SLC needs none. On the consistency - just goes to show how hard it is to beat Lufkin in playoffs, even an inconsistent Lufkin gets to the semi's once again. IF Lufkin plays as well on both sides of the ball as it did against CCove in the first half - this will be a tight game.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

KT2000. I'm the guy you and KTcarl talked to in Whataburger before the Lufkin Cove game. I told you guys that I hoped to be playing Katy in a few weeks and I am not ready to give up on that yet. Will we win? Don't know. Could we win? Yes, and thats what makes this the game of the year IMHO.
That was a lot of fun traveling to Waco. We saw you in the stadium also. Should have come up and met several other posters. Wide, pack0808, several Katy. Win or lose there will be several at the state game. Posters and fans really are the nicest people when you get the chance just to say hello.

[bullrock]

Fav, has Outlaw been putting his DB's through hell this week? I noticed a lot of missed opportunities last week for Cove. It would seem to me that would play right into the Dragons hands. I know the preparation for Cove is not the same as for SLC, but they are going to have to be the MVP's of this game to have a chance. I really enjoyed your game last week against Cove. I've been to a few SLC games and have commented on all of the pretty girls they have in the stands and on the sidelines. I've been wanting to mention that I don't think they have anything on the East Texas girls I saw at your game. Good luck this week.
( I guess I'm just an old pervert, but this is something that has always caught my eye ;) )

[SLCDad]

KT - as I stated, Lufkin needs a few "ifs" to win - SLC needs none.I don't agree with this. In a game of this magnitude and with the game played in Lufkin (almost) SLC had better bring their "A" game. No doubt they will do that.

The game could go either way. May the best team win.

[Favpack]

Fav, has Outlaw been putting his DB's through hell this week? I noticed a lot of missed opportunities last week for Cove. It would seem to me that would play right into the Dragons hands. I know the preparation for Cove is not the same as for SLC, but they are going to have to be the MVP's of this game to have a chance. I really enjoyed your game last week against Cove. I've been to a few SLC games and have commented on all of the pretty girls they have in the stands and on the sidelines. I've been wanting to mention that I don't think they have anything on the East Texas girls I saw at your game. Good luck this week.
( I guess I'm just an old pervert, but this is something that has always caught my eye ;) )

Bull - Coach Outlaw was pretty miffed about the defensive letdown in the second half - but, hey, its the regional final - he was happier about the win.

The Lufkin passing defense has been hit and miss all year - not a great sign for sure against that team in Southlake that throws a pass now and then. It's a combination of blown coverages and poor technique - the talent is there to be better against the pass - not dominant but better. I watched the first CCove passing td again last night (Garner to no. 81 over the middle) - the Lufkin db bit on the flag move - then compounded that mistake by going for the pick.

[KT2000]

I think Lufkin is great defensively against teams that can't match the Panthers' athleticism. That will allow you to make up for a lot of mistakes. However, against teams that aren't quite as inferior talent wise Lufkin seems hit and miss. The Panthers play a very aggressive style and that can either work for you or against you depending on the discipline level of the unit, in addition to the opposition strengths and weaknesses.

Copperas Cove did not take advantage of Lufkin's over-agression in the first half, and really played into the Panthers' hands by running slow developing plays. They called throwback, slip screens and deep hand offs and that just isn't going to work against Lufkin. They are too fast for that even if you have them fooled intially...they will run it down. Evidently, the light went off at halftime and Cove started moving the ball when they ran playaction. Those play fakes (which Garner executed very well) really disrupted Lufkin's defense, and slowed the linebackers enough open a few lanes the ground game and allow Garner better protection. Buckram hit one of those lanes for a key 60-65 yard TD run.

[pack0808]

Outlaw also stated that Dodge did not want agree to Kyle field because it was natural grass. He also said one of our starting lb's are out in this one because of an accident. Stewart Willis!! The injury curse continues vs SLC. :eek: This is documented in the paper and it is not a rumor.

[bullrock]

True what you said KT, but I saw some missed open receivers in the second half.

[pack0808]

True what you said KT, but I saw some missed open receivers in the second half.


NO doubt about it, the defense (especially the secondary) will have to play much better this week or Lufkin has no chance. Lufkin is absolutely loaded on the defensive side so it is frustrating when they play like that at times. Looked like the 85 bears in the 1st half but looked like the 05 Texans in the 2nd. ;) You have to give Cove credit for 2nd half adjustments though.

[dragonfootballfan]

dang it u beat me to it!! LOL I was just gonna post this....you know what I am gonna post one section of it.



Q How did you and Southlake Carroll Head Coach Todd Dodge go about selecting a field for this week's game?

A Baylor (where the teams have played in the last two meetings) wasn't available. Neither was Reliant Stadium or Austin. They didn't want to play at Kyle Field because they didn't want to play on natural grass. So there really wasn't anything we could do, other than flip for home. They chose Texas Stadium, which is really close for them, and we picked SFA, which is a short drive for us. Fortunately for us, we won the toss. With the support of this community, I knew that if we would have lost the toss, then our fans would have all gotten up at 8 in the morning and made the drive to Texas Stadium. I'm sure Coach Dodge is disappointed that they have to make the drive to East Texas, but there's no doubt that he'll have his team ready to play. In all honesty, a state semifinal game should be played at a bigger stadium. But I wasn't just going to agree to play at Texas Stadium and give them the advantage of such a short drive if I didn't at least have a chance of making them come down here to play. I wanted to reward the people of Lufkin for all of the support they've shown this team. They've had to make three trips to Waco in four weeks. So it's nice for them that they don't have to make another long drive.
did anyone else see this?

[farmerfan]

dang it u beat me to it!! LOL I was just gonna post this....you know what I am gonna post one section of it.



Q How did you and Southlake Carroll Head Coach Todd Dodge go about selecting a field for this week's game?

A Baylor (where the teams have played in the last two meetings) wasn't available. Neither was Reliant Stadium or Austin. They didn't want to play at Kyle Field because they didn't want to play on natural grass. So there really wasn't anything we could do, other than flip for home. They chose Texas Stadium, which is really close for them, and we picked SFA, which is a short drive for us. Fortunately for us, we won the toss. With the support of this community, I knew that if we would have lost the toss, then our fans would have all gotten up at 8 in the morning and made the drive to Texas Stadium. I'm sure Coach Dodge is disappointed that they have to make the drive to East Texas, but there's no doubt that he'll have his team ready to play. In all honesty, a state semifinal game should be played at a bigger stadium. But I wasn't just going to agree to play at Texas Stadium and give them the advantage of such a short drive if I didn't at least have a chance of making them come down here to play. I wanted to reward the people of Lufkin for all of the support they've shown this team. They've had to make three trips to Waco in four weeks. So it's nice for them that they don't have to make another long drive.

man you only told half the story. the other line sums up exactly why he did what he did.

[dragonfootballfan]

man you only told half the story. the other line sums up exactly why he did what he did.
He knew it needed to be in a bigger stadium and still chose a small stadium. Tell me one reason that was not selfish to not choose a big stadium when you know a matchup of this kind needs to be there.

[pack98]

well Dodge had the chance to play at A&M and did not want to play there so he got what he asked for a coin flip and lost. better luck next year. like outlaw said why just give in and go to Dallas when we could play here. and outlaw is 1-0 at TS while at Lufkin in 98 we beat plano East.


GO PANTHERS

GO PANTHERS

[bullrock]

Man thats' dirty pool! I can't believe a coach would stoop that low. I think this has been working in Dodges favor for a long time because who wouldn't want to play at TS? Outlaw has tried it a couple of times and it's time to move on.

[farmerfan]

He knew it needed to be in a bigger stadium and still chose a small stadium. Tell me one reason that was not selfish to not choose a big stadium when you know a matchup of this kind needs to be there.

The same works for Dodge and SLC. Why should Lufkin put up a site that requires them to travel when Carroll could put up a site that only forces them to drive 15 mins? What other options did he have to choose from? what location do you think he should have chose? if you say Kyle Field it would not be fair to Lufkin and its players to put up a stadium 3 hrs away when Carroll put up a stadium 15 mins from their high school. His thinking was to put the best interest of his team at heart and he did exactly that. It is not being selfish, it is being smart.

[pack98]

dragonfootball fan you are a IDIOT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. your coach had the chance to go to Kyle Field but said no because of the turff so TELL ME HOW OUTLAW WAS SELFISH they had to pick a home and home. what should he have done just give in and say ok we will go to TS. GIVE ME A BREAK DUDE. most of your fans dont care and will be at this game so stop your bitiching about the issue.

[dragonfootballfan]

well Dodge had the chance to play at A&M and did not want to play there so he got what he asked for a coin flip and lost. better luck next year. like outlaw said why just give in and go to Dallas when we could play here. and outlaw is 1-0 at TS while at Lufkin in 98 we beat plano East.


GO PANTHERS

GO PANTHERS
Dodge offered an alternative to Aggy, but Outlaw did not like it either. Then after they chose to go to a coin toss you cannot blame the coach that lost for anything that has to do with the stadium. He had no control over it,

[dragonfootballfan]

The same works for Dodge and SLC. Why should Lufkin put up a site that requires them to travel when Carroll could put up a site that only forces them to drive 15 mins? What other options did he have to choose from? what location do you think he should have chose? if you say Kyle Field it would not be fair to Lufkin and its players to put up a stadium 3 hrs away when Carroll put up a stadium 15 mins from their high school. His thinking was to put the best interest of his team at heart and he did exactly that. It is not being selfish, it is being smart.
so it is being smart to contradict yourself?

[dragonfootballfan]

dragonfootball fan you are a IDIOT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. your coach had the chance to go to Kyle Field but said no because of the turff so TELL ME HOW OUTLAW WAS SELFISH they had to pick a home and home. what should he have done just give in and say ok we will go to TS. GIVE ME A BREAK DUDE. most of your fans dont care and will be at this game so stop your bitiching about the issue.
Outlaw won a toss chose a small stadium and now agrees that the stadium is too small, but chose it so that he would not have to travel. He has admitted that the stadium is too small, but still decide to play it there for selfish reasons.

[pack98]

ok smart person what was the alternative fo this game to be played in. Waco stadiums were all taken. so tell me what other stadium did Dodge offer. tell us please?????

[dragonfootballfan]

ok smart person what was the alternative fo this game to be played in. Waco stadiums were all taken. so tell me what other stadium did Dodge offer. tell us please?????
he offered Texas Stadium as a neutral site. Your coach nixed it because of its location.

[farmerfan]

so it is being smart to contradict yourself?

he is not contradicting himself. he is putting travel as a issue. when a true neutral site was not agreed upon, he did not want to be the only one that would have to risk traveling. Why should Carroll get to play in their backyard when Lufkin can't? A alternative would have been to have Outlaw agree on Kyle Field only if Dodge agreed on a place such as San Marcos or San Antonio or maybe even Houston. He wanted both teams to have a equal shot to play in their backyard and got it.

[dragonfootballfan]

The same works for Dodge and SLC. Why should Lufkin put up a site that requires them to travel when Carroll could put up a site that only forces them to drive 15 mins? What other options did he have to choose from? what location do you think he should have chose? if you say Kyle Field it would not be fair to Lufkin and its players to put up a stadium 3 hrs away when Carroll put up a stadium 15 mins from their high school. His thinking was to put the best interest of his team at heart and he did exactly that. It is not being selfish, it is being smart.
It is not Carroll's fault that they have a big stadium near there. If the people of Lufkin do not want to travel when having to play a big game, they need to move to a city that has a big stadium close to them or have a big stadium built there.

[pack98]

that is a big NEGATIVE. he choose to play there because his fans have travled every year in the playoffs and made 3 trips to waco this year he wanted them to have the chance to drive short for a change and have more fans show up the ones that could not make the drives or anything like that. There are some old people that can dive after dark and things so this gives them a chance to go watch the game and be part of the panther Tradition so AGAIN OUTLAW IS SEFISH give me a break any coach would do this for his town given the chance.

GO PANTHER

[farmerfan]

he offered Texas Stadium as a neutral site. Your coach nixed it because of its location.


how is Tx Stadium a neutral site?

[farmerfan]

It is not Carroll's fault that they have a big stadium near there. If the people of Lufkin do not want to travel when having to play a big game, they need to move to a city that has a big stadium close to them or have a big stadium built there.


There stadium is adequate for the size of hte city and school. Plus it is not about the fans here, this about giving his team a equal playing field and fighting to give them a chance to play in their backyard. Why should Carroll be the only team who has the luxury of getting to play in their backyard?

[dragonfootballfan]

that is a big NEGATIVE. he choose to play there because his fans have travled every year in the playoffs and made 3 trips to waco this year he wanted them to have the chance to drive short for a change and have more fans show up the ones that could not make the drives or anything like that. There are some old people that can dive after dark and things so this gives them a chance to go watch the game and be part of the panther Tradition so AGAIN OUTLAW IS SEFISH give me a break any coach would do this for his town given the chance.

GO PANTHER
so in order to have his fans not travel, he is going to make a decision that could leave the fans without a ticket to the game?

[pack98]

you are well beyond a IDIOT. DOdge put up TS as a neutral field. and again how neautral is that??? Man you are the worse SLC fan ever,and to say we should move well how about you move from the city. there are THOUSANDS OF HIGHSCHOOLS across the nation that dont have big stadiums near so what you want all the town to pack up and move to the city. MAN YOU GOT ISSUES

[farmerfan]

dragonfootball fan you are a IDIOT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. your coach had the chance to go to Kyle Field but said no because of the turff so TELL ME HOW OUTLAW WAS SELFISH they had to pick a home and home. what should he have done just give in and say ok we will go to TS. GIVE ME A BREAK DUDE. most of your fans dont care and will be at this game so stop your bitiching about the issue.

come on pack, there is no need for name calling. you might disagree, but dont resort in calling someone a idiot. dff is a reasonable guy and keeps things clean and on topic there is no need to resort into name calling.

[dragonfootballfan]

There stadium is adequate for the size of hte city and school. Plus it is not about the fans here, this about giving his team a equal playing field and fighting to give them a chance to play in their backyard. Why should Carroll be the only team who has the luxury of getting to play in their backyard?
The people of Southlake live near a big stadium. It is not their fault that they live there. If you want to host big games, then you should have a big venue. It is very simple. So if East Texas wants to host big games, build a big venue

[pack98]

you know what some fans may get left out but you know what that is part of life. you dont always get what you want. I do think in the future they do need to make the state semifinals and championships in a rotating situation,
houston,Dallas,Sanantonio,Waco,Austin. that way you can get rid of all this taling about stadiums if the year comes up and the game is in Dallas then everyone goes there if not then they go to waco or were ever that is the only fair thing you can have take place. In Sandiego all the finals are held at Qualcome stadium no matter what

[dragonfootballfan]

you are well beyond a IDIOT. DOdge put up TS as a neutral field. and again how neautral is that??? Man you are the worse SLC fan ever,and to say we should move well how about you move from the city. there are THOUSANDS OF HIGHSCHOOLS across the nation that dont have big stadiums near so what you want all the town to pack up and move to the city. MAN YOU GOT ISSUES
I don't want you to move unless traveling to a big game is a problem for you. Your coach admitted that the stadium is not big enough. The game should be in a place that your coach think is big enough. Big games should be in big stadiums.

Texas stadium is neutral because it is neither team's homefield. Coaches have the opportunity to say no to any field proposed as neutral. Each coach turned down a neutral alternative that would have had enough room for everyone.

[pack98]

he is not making any type of sense at all but SLC lives near the city so they should host the game because they have a big stadium near. So all the small town around should just give in and come to the city and play the game. you know what NO ONE COMPLAINED WHEN THIS GAME WAS HELD AT WACO ISD 2 YEARS AGO AND IT IS SMALLER THAN SFA!!

this is one SLC fan that is greedy and spoiled.

[raidercheerdad]

I have one comment to make that hopefully sums it up ------

WAAAAHHHHH!!!!

[pack98]

I am driving in from Sandiego for the game so traveling is not a issue for me. come on man lets think about it. TS is not neutral for lufkin just as SFA is not Neutral for SLC. either way a team has to travel 3 hrs while the other may go 15 min. Sure that sucks. but you know what the thing that makes me mad the most is that our fans would have traveled to TS just like they did in 98 when we out manned Plano East. the travel was not the issue here. there were none dodge did not like kyle so the fliped for it and he lost. So SFA is were we are going to the game. What else can you say. sure games this big may need to be played at a bigger stadium but hey it is what it is.

[farmerfan]

I don't want you to move unless traveling to a big game is a problem for you. Your coach admitted that the stadium is not big enough. The game should be in a place that your coach think is big enough. Big games should be in big stadiums.

Texas stadium is neutral because it is neither team's homefield. Coaches have the opportunity to say no to any field proposed as neutral. Each coach turned down a neutral alternative that would have had enough room for everyone.

Texas stadium is way more of a home venue to SLC than Kyle would be to Lufkin. SLC has played 3 games there this year as well as 5 last year, Outlaw offered up a true netural stadium while Dodge did not. Im sure had Dodge offered another venue such as San Marcos or Houston then he would have agreed to it. He just wanted his kids to have the same opportunity to play in their backyard that the kids at southlake did.

[pack98]

just one question for you.

you are the coach for your team and can play the game closer to your home or travel. of course you rather play close to home even if that Stadium is not the biggest around you still play the game there anyway why because you are close to home. there is not one coach in amarica that would not want to play a game closer to there town than drive 3 hrs.


GO PANTHERS.

i am done talking about this

[dragonfootballfan]

he is not making any type of sense at all but SLC lives near the city so they should host the game because they have a big stadium near. So all the small town around should just give in and come to the city and play the game. you know what NO ONE COMPLAINED WHEN THIS GAME WAS HELD AT WACO ISD 2 YEARS AGO AND IT IS SMALLER THAN SFA!!

this is one SLC fan that is greedy and spoiled.
I don't want this game at Texas Stadium. I want this game at a venue that is big enough to hold it. Your own coach admitted that the stadium is too small. If you want to hold big games in small towns, then build a big stadium there. If you are tired of traveling to big cities for games, then move to a city that has a big stadium. That is what I am saying.

I forgot the part about this game being held two years in the past. I must have missed the part about a time machine being invented.

[dragonfootballfan]

I am driving in from Sandiego for the game so traveling is not a issue for me. come on man lets think about it. TS is not neutral for lufkin just as SFA is not Neutral for SLC. either way a team has to travel 3 hrs while the other may go 15 min. Sure that sucks. but you know what the thing that makes me mad the most is that our fans would have traveled to TS just like they did in 98 when we out manned Plano East. the travel was not the issue here. there were none dodge did not like kyle so the fliped for it and he lost. So SFA is were we are going to the game. What else can you say. sure games this big may need to be played at a bigger stadium but hey it is what it is.
The fans would travel any where as long as they would get a seat. This is something that will not happen at SFA this weekend because not everyone will get a seat. I don't care about location. I care about size

[farmerfan]

I don't want this game at Texas Stadium. I want this game at a venue that is big enough to hold it. Your own coach admitted that the stadium is too small. If you want to hold big games in small towns, then build a big stadium there. If you are tired of traveling to big cities for games, then move to a city that has a big stadium. That is what I am saying.

I forgot the part about this game being held two years in the past. I must have missed the part about a time machine being invented.


But he also admitted to why SFA was more than a fair site for the panthers. Fans will get over not getting to see this game, radio will be available and that is all that matters. Outlaw put the kids best interest first and as a coach he fulfilled his main obligation to his team.

[dragonfootballfan]

Texas stadium is way more of a home venue to SLC than Kyle would be to Lufkin. SLC has played 3 games there this year as well as 5 last year, Outlaw offered up a true netural stadium while Dodge did not. Im sure had Dodge offered another venue such as San Marcos or Houston then he would have agreed to it. He just wanted his kids to have the same opportunity to play in their backyard that the kids at southlake did.
That is why Outlaw said no to Texas stadium. Dodge said no to Kyle. Outlaw does not have a big enough stadium in his back yard to host a game of this magnitude. He admitted it, but still chose the stadium because he doesn't care about anyone but himself.

[abbimaci]

Tell me one reason that was not selfish to not choose a big stadium when you know a matchup of this kind needs to be there.

Southlake Webster's Dictionary - Selfish - adj. - What someone is when we do not get our way.

[dragonfootballfan]

But he also admitted to why SFA was more than a fair site for the panthers. Fans will get over not getting to see this game, radio will be available and that is all that matters. Outlaw put the kids best interest first and as a coach he fulfilled his main obligation to his team.
So when parents, grandparents, friends, students, and other relatives do not get to say their football player's last football game for the rest of his life, I hope that Outlaw is happy about his choice.

[pack98]

farmfan it is not worth talking about this. So are you going to go to any of the games or just listen to it on the radio. this is going to be so much fun 3rd time i hope will be the charm for the panthers.

GO PANTHERS

[KT2000]

I hate to rain on the SLC parade of "Outlaw is classless posts" but the coaches/players are of #1 importance. If Outlaw and Lufkin feel comfortable at SFA, then they have every right to choose that as their stadium. Todd Dodge obviously feels comfortable at Texas Stadium, and his team wanted that.

This is about the student-athletes, and Lufkin's happen to like playing in SFA. You'll have to excuse them if "accomodate Southlake" is not #1 on the list.

Sure, it's unfortunate some people won't get to see the game who might otherwise but options are limited and you can't please everyone. The coaches flipped, Lufkin won and that's it.

No reason to get caught up in that. It still comes down to who can outplay who over 48 minutes, and that's what it is all about. SFA won't get 40K, but with people on the grass you can a great atmosphere going.

It'll be great to get that place packed with standing room only. I think the players will remember that more than playing in a 1/4 full Texas Stadium.

[dragonfootballfan]

Southlake Webster's Dictionary - Selfish - adj. - What someone is when we do not get our way.
self·ish
adj.
Concerned chiefly or only with oneself

Lufkin won a coin toss and gained the ability to choose the stadium. The stadium that Lufkin chose was too small and their coach admitted it. The coach of Lufkin also said that he chose the stadium because it is close to Lufkin. So Lufkin chose a stadium that is too small just to please Lufkin. How is that not selfish?

[farmerfan]

So when parents, grandparents, friends, students, and other relatives do not get to say their football player's last football game for the rest of his life, I hope that Outlaw is happy about his choice.

Tell me what parents are not gettign to go to this game? as far as friends are concerned, what is wrong with listening to the game. If they want to offere up support, come to the stadium sit in the car drink some beer, eat some hotdogs and listen to it on the radio.
I just think you should blame Coach Dodge as much as Outlaw, a suitable site was offered and someone did not agree to it. It would be unfair to require Lufkin to travel to a site when they won the flip, when Carroll would not have had to go farther than 15 mins when they won the flip. Im sure whoever's last game it is, they wiill not be concerned about their family as much as they are with their friends they have on their football team. I know my grandma was not in the stands for my last game. I know that some of my friends were not in Groesbeck on that same night, oyu know what, I didnt even notice it. It was not a big deal to me.

[pack98]

my last game was played at SFA we lost to Lake Highlands. the thing i remember the most is the bus ride over there and the fun coming back even we got beat we had fun and some of us knew that is was the last time for us to play football and crack up on the buses with our friends from the team. the stands were packed and i miss those days but the players will mis the Team more than they will miss the fans in the stands.

GO PANTHERS

[dragonfootballfan]

Tell me what parents are not gettign to go to this game? as far as friends are concerned, what is wrong with listening to the game. If they want to offere up support, come to the stadium sit in the car drink some beer, eat some hotdogs and listen to it on the radio.
I just think you should blame Coach Dodge as much as Outlaw, a suitable site was offered and someone did not agree to it. It would be unfair to require Lufkin to travel to a site when they won the flip, when Carroll would not have had to go farther than 15 mins when they won the flip. Im sure whoever's last game it is, they wiill not be concerned about their family as much as they are with their friends they have on their football team. I know my grandma was not in the stands for my last game. I know that some of my friends were not in Groesbeck on that same night, oyu know what, I didnt even notice it. It was not a big deal to me.
If you don't have to keep people out, why would you want to? The why should Lufkin have to travel and Carroll not travel question has been answered many times. There are no big stadiums close to Lufkin and there is one close to Carroll. Lufkin has to travel when they get to big games. Their only way to solve this is by building a bigger stadium or moving closer to a big stadium so that when the opportunity comes when you can host a playoff game you can.

[LUFPAN]

self·ish
adj.
Concerned chiefly or only with oneself

Lufkin won a coin toss and gained the ability to choose the stadium. The stadium that Lufkin chose was too small and their coach admitted it. The coach of Lufkin also said that he chose the stadium because it is close to Lufkin. So Lufkin chose a stadium that is too small just to please Lufkin. How is that not selfish?

And Coach Dodge chose Texas Stadium, how is that not selfish? I've been to plenty of SLC games at Texas Stadium and there is ALWAYS banners welcoming the opposing to team to Texas Stadium the Home of SLC. Coach Dodge offered a stadium 15 minutes away from Southlake, he must be terribly selfish and self-centered. :rolleyes:

[dragonfootballfan]

And Coach Dodge chose Texas Stadium, how is that not selfish? I've been to plenty of SLC games at Texas Stadium and there is ALWAYS banners welcoming the opposing to team to Texas Stadium the Home of SLC. Coach Dodge offered a stadium 15 minutes away from Southlake, he must be terribly selfish and self-centered. :rolleyes:
That stadium could fit anyone that wanted to go. I don't care about distance. I care about seats. Coach Outlaw admitted that the stadium is too small.

[farmerfan]

If you don't have to keep people out, why would you want to? The why should Lufkin have to travel and Carroll not travel question has been answered many times. There are no big stadiums close to Lufkin and there is one close to Carroll. Lufkin has to travel when they get to big games. Their only way to solve this is by building a bigger stadium or moving closer to a big stadium so that when the opportunity comes when you can host a playoff game you can.


Then maybe Dodge needs to get over 1985 and his phobia of grass.

It's a level playing field, both teams got to put their respected stadiums up and Outlaw won. Who cares that there will only be 18,000 there. Schools in west texas have been doing this for years. Playing playoff games at Shotwell and Ratliff. Marcus went out to Abilene in 1997 and it was a overflow crowd, didnt bother the community then. Why should it bother Carroll.
It is selfish that you are not looking at this from the players standpoint. Outlaw did the right thing and there is nothing selfish about anything he did, the only selfish thing going on is to say Lufkin is wrong for wanting to play this game in their backyard.

[pack98]

No, you dont solve this issue by telling us to build a bigger stadium you solve this issue.

1. have all state Semi-finals game on a rotation. games played at, Dallas,Austin,Waco,Houston,San Antonio. rotate the way the college does its championships.

2. do the same thing for the STATE FINALS

So that way if a team is playing close to home that year then so be it and if not then they will drive to the stadium of choice that fell on that years rotation. that is the only fair way i cna think of and i think that makes the most sense

[dragonfootballfan]

Then maybe Dodge needs to get over 1985 and his phobia of grass.

It's a level playing field, both teams got to put their respected stadiums up and Outlaw won. Who cares that there will only be 18,000 there. Schools in west texas have been doing this for years. Playing playoff games at Shotwell and Ratliff. Marcus went out to Abilene in 1997 and it was a overflow crowd, didnt bother the community then. Why should it bother Carroll.
It is selfish that you are not looking at this from the players standpoint. Outlaw did the right thing and there is nothing selfish about anything he did, the only selfish thing going on is to say Lufkin is wrong for wanting to play this game in their backyard.
So Lufkin's coach did not make a decision only based on how far his team has to travel and took into account everybody that wanted to see the game?

[abbimaci]

self·ish
adj.
Concerned chiefly or only with oneself

Lufkin won a coin toss and gained the ability to choose the stadium. The stadium that Lufkin chose was too small and their coach admitted it. The coach of Lufkin also said that he chose the stadium because it is close to Lufkin. So Lufkin chose a stadium that is too small just to please Lufkin. How is that not selfish?

I hate to be the one to inform you of this, but Outlaw could care less about pleasing the SLC fanbase. You may call him selfish, but from his viewpoint, his concern is first and foremost for the Lufkin community. Go ahead and call it what you want.

Outlaw got choked up with tears when the radio announcer asked him after the game Friday night if he had anything to say to the Lufkin community. His words were "Do you want to see a grown man cry". This man knows how much this team means to Lufkin and how much Lufkin means to this team. He knows that Lufkin fans have driven six hours 3 of the last 4 weeks to support this team. So in his mind, Lufkin deserves a game in our own backyard. You and a handful of other SLC fans can keep crying your tears around here, but trust me, you are getting no sympathy from The Pack.

Just strap it on and bring it and we will see you next year in Texas Stadium, that is just the way it goes. May the best team win.

[dragonfootballfan]

No, you dont solve this issue by telling us to build a bigger stadium you solve this issue.

1. have all state Semi-finals game on a rotation. games played at, Dallas,Austin,Waco,Houston,San Antonio. rotate the way the college does its championships.

2. do the same thing for the STATE FINALS

So that way if a team is playing close to home that year then so be it and if not then they will drive to the stadium of choice that fell on that years rotation. that is the only fair way i cna think of and i think that makes the most sense
I totally agree, but the coaches will never relinquish contral. I wish this was the way it was done. If you schedule the stadium a year in advance scheduling conflicts would be avoided as well.

The reason Austin is not available this year is because they are currently renovating part of the stadium.

[farmerfan]

So Lufkin's coach did not make a decision only based on how far his team has to travel and took into account everybody that wanted to see the game?

Outlaw offered up his alternative to Tx Stadium once he realized Dodge did not want to play at Kyle Field. He put up a location similar to the same distance Carroll would travel from their high school if they won the toss. Once Waco was not available, Dodge would have played at Kyle field if getting enough fans in the stands was a big issue to him.

[LUFPAN]

That stadium could fit anyone that wanted to go. I don't care about distance. I care about seats. Coach Outlaw admitted that the stadium is too small.

It doesn't change the fact that it is 15 minutes from SLC to Texas Stadium. Coach Dodge chose Texas Stadium for that purpose and that purpose only. It is a home field advantage to Soutlake. Because of this overt selfishness on his part you should immediatly start petitioning all of SLC for his resignation. :rolleyes: Give it a break man. Coach Outlaw is not a selfish man evil man. Put down your paintbrush and stop trying to paint him that way.

[dragonfootballfan]

I hate to be the one to inform you of this, but Outlaw could care less about pleasing the SLC fanbase. You may call him selfish, but from his viewpoint, his concern is first and foremost for the Lufkin community. Go ahead and call it what you want.

Outlaw got choked up with tears when the radio announcer asked him after the game Friday night if he had anything to say to the Lufkin community. His words were "Do you want to see a grown man cry". This man knows how much this team means to Lufkin and how much Lufkin means to this team. He knows that Lufkin fans have driven six hours 3 of the last 4 weeks to support this team. So in his mind, Lufkin deserves a game in our own backyard. You and a handful of other SLC fans can keep crying your tears around here, but trust me, you are getting no sympathy from The Pack.

Just strap it on and bring it and we will see you next year in Texas Stadium, that is just the way it goes. May the best team win.
I really like this post. I understand why he did this for the community and I will stop saying that he is selfish. The only thing that I feel bad about is that fans on both sides, Carroll and Lufkin, will not get to see this game.

[dragonfootballfan]

Outlaw offered up his alternative to Tx Stadium once he realized Dodge did not want to play at Kyle Field. He put up a location similar to the same distance Carroll would travel from their high school if they won the toss. Once Waco was not available, Dodge would have played at Kyle field if getting enough fans in the stands was a big issue to him.
All of Carroll's stadium choices were big enough to hold the amount of fans. Lufkin's choices were not.

[dragonfootballfan]

It doesn't change the fact that it is 15 minutes from SLC to Texas Stadium. Coach Dodge chose Texas Stadium for that purpose and that purpose only. It is a home field advantage to Soutlake. Because of this overt selfishness on his part you should immediatly start petitioning all of SLC for his resignation. :rolleyes: Give it a break man. Coach Outlaw is not a selfish man evil man. Put down your paintbrush and stop trying to paint him that way.
I would really like to know where you found that information, because if that were the case wouldn't Carroll want to play at one of the stadiums that is closer to Southlake?

[LUFPAN]

I would really like to know where you found that information, because if that were the case wouldn't Carroll want to play at one of the stadiums that is closer to Southlake?

I found it in the same mis-guided journal that you found all your Coach Outlaw infomation in. They flipped a coin for home and home. That's it, no conspiracy, no cruel plans or evil intentions, that's it. Lufkin won the coin toss and chose SFA. Since Coach Dodge had already indicated that he would not play at Kyle Field, there was no other field to chose.

[PantherStang84]

He knew it needed to be in a bigger stadium and still chose a small stadium. Tell me one reason that was not selfish to not choose a big stadium when you know a matchup of this kind needs to be there.

For cryin out #^$%@($ loud man! There has already been a 15 page thread on this issue. We have already conceeded that Southlake is way better than Lufkin in every category and just football. We have conceeded that Coach Dodge has more class in his little pinky than the entire Lufkin coaching staff combined and that Lufkin does not even deserve to play on the same field as SLC.

WHAT DO YOU WANT NOW?

Our first born children?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

GGGGEEEEZZZZ!!!!

[dragonfootballfan]

I found it in the same mis-guided journal that you found all your Coach Outlaw infomation in. They flipped a coin for home and home. That's it, no conspiracy, no cruel plans or evil intentions, that's it. Lufkin won the coin toss and chose SFA. Since Coach Dodge had already indicated that he would not play at Kyle Field, there was no other field to chose.
so Outlaw did not choose Kyle because coach Dodge said that he did not want to play there?

[dragonfootballfan]

For cryin out #^$%@($ loud man! There has already been a 15 page thread on this issue. We have already conceeded that Southlake is way better than Lufkin in every category and just football. We have conceeded that Coach Dodge has more class in his little pinky than the entire Lufkin coaching staff combined and that Lufkin does not even deserve to play on the same field as SLC.

WHAT DO YOU WANT NOW?

Our first born children?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

GGGGEEEEZZZZ!!!!
if everyone already conceded that then why are there so many opposed to me. You do not speak for the Lufkin fanbase, just as I do not speak for the entire Carroll fanbase.

[LUFPAN]

so Outlaw did not choose Kyle because coach Dodge said that he did not want to play there?

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

You are finally catching on. Coach Outlaw offered Kyle Field as a neutral site. Coach Dodge said that he did not want to play there because it was a grass field.

[dragonfootballfan]

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

You are finally catching on. Coach Outlaw offered Kyle Field as a neutral site. Coach Dodge said that he did not want to play there because it was a grass field.
even after they flipped a coin?

[LUFPAN]

even after they flipped a coin?

Why would he offer it after the coin toss when he had already been told no before it?

[PantherStang84]

All of Carroll's stadium choices were big enough to hold the amount of fans.

Don't you mean SLC's only choice?

I would call that selfish.


Lufkin's choices were not.

False.

What is this phobia of grass thing anyway? Is somebody alergic to it or something?

Lufkin brought two options to the table. SLC only brought one. Flip. Lufkin won. They choose the field closest to home. End of story.

BTW...SLC fans come to the game or don't? I could care less if you do or not? And I could care less if your feelings are hurt or not? We are going to have fun on Saturday regardless if you show up or not. So sit home and pout if you want. If the visitor side of the stadium is not filled up, it's your fault not Lufkin's. It's totally up to you.

Am I being selfish?

Too bad. Get over it!

I'm out. See everyone Saturday!

[bullrock]

Why don't you move the game to Groveton. They only seat about 1,800. That way it won't be unfair to anyone because the only ones who could see it would be the bands and drill teams.

[abbimaci]

Dragonfootballfan - Please respond to this for me.

Let's take the 34k at your game last week. Let me make an assumption that there were about 6k casual fans at the game, by that I mean someone not directly related to either school but someone who just wanted to see some good football, or someone there for one of the other games played that day at TS. Or just one of those dragon fans who will go to a game in town, but wouldn't travel out of town for the game.

Now let's assume if the game this week was at TS and for this game we have 8-10k casual fans there to see a really good game.

I am also going to assume that almost all of the casual fans at TS are going to cheer for a metroplex team before a team from East Texas.

Now Dragonfan - can you truly and honestly tell me that TS would be a fair "NEUTRAL" site for Lufkin if we can safely assume that at least 8-10k (or about 25% of the crowd) people cheering for SLC would be there who wouldn't care to drive out of town to see the game.

[Lp81]

That stadium could fit anyone that wanted to go. I don't care about distance. I care about seats. Coach Outlaw admitted that the stadium is too small.
Look dragonfootballfan I bought 6 tickets to the game and if you quit crying I'll give you one of mine but you have to wear purple sit on the Panther side and keep your thumb out of your mouth...IT AINT GOING TO CHANGE!!!!

[drgnbkr]

Dragonfootballfan - Please respond to this for me.

Let's take the 34k at your game last week. Let me make an assumption that there were about 6k casual fans at the game, by that I mean someone not directly related to either school but someone who just wanted to see some good football, or someone there for one of the other games played that day at TS. Or just one of those dragon fans who will go to a game in town, but wouldn't travel out of town for the game.

Now let's assume if the game this week was at TS and for this game we have 8-10k casual fans there to see a really good game.

I am also going to assume that almost all of the casual fans at TS are going to cheer for a metroplex team before a team from East Texas.

Now Dragonfan - can you truly and honestly tell me that TS would be a fair "NEUTRAL" site for Lufkin if we can safely assume that at least 8-10k (or about 25% of the crowd) people cheering for SLC would be there who wouldn't care to drive out of town to see the game.

I'll answer..no, Texas Stadium would not be a fair neutral site for Lufkin...it is just one of those deals..there were no acceptable neutral sites available..we'll be there early, wearing green, makin noise and having a good, if tightly packed, time...

[SLC Dragon Fan]

I hate to be the one to inform you of this, but Outlaw could care less about pleasing the SLC fanbase. You may call him selfish, but from his viewpoint, his concern is first and foremost for the Lufkin community. Go ahead and call it what you want.

Outlaw got choked up with tears when the radio announcer asked him after the game Friday night if he had anything to say to the Lufkin community. His words were "Do you want to see a grown man cry". This man knows how much this team means to Lufkin and how much Lufkin means to this team. He knows that Lufkin fans have driven six hours 3 of the last 4 weeks to support this team. So in his mind, Lufkin deserves a game in our own backyard. You and a handful of other SLC fans can keep crying your tears around here, but trust me, you are getting no sympathy from The Pack.

Just strap it on and bring it and we will see you next year in Texas Stadium, that is just the way it goes. May the best team win.

No sympathy from this SLC fan either. Ignore dragonfootballfan and maybe he'll get tired and go to some other topic that actually concerns what happens on the filed on Sat.

[PackAttack2005]

Dragonfootball fan, you have got to just be playing games here, I know your not that screwed up. By the way, Dodge never offered any other stadium but Texas Stadium. Explaination????

I will tell you it was John Outlaw's intention all along to try and get Southlake to SFA and he did exactly as he planned. This is great. Selfish, but great!

Go Pack!!!!!

[bullrock]

AAAAHHH! Now the truth comes out....scoundrel

[PACKMAN]

People ................ PLEASE !!!!

Dragonfootballfan is just trying to inflate his "post count". He didnt even go to the last SLC game at Texas Stadium! He probably was'nt going to this one either.

Just trying to get everyone "riled up". (and boost his post count). Please let him go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dragonfootballfan]

People ................ PLEASE !!!!

Dragonfootballfan is just trying to inflate his "post count". He didnt even go to the last SLC game at Texas Stadium! He probably was'nt going to this one either.

Just trying to get everyone "riled up". (and boost his post count). Please let him go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we can do without the personal attacks. I have said that the stadium choice was hard to make if you are were the Lufkin Choice. I would have liked him to consider a location that was bigger than the stadium that he chose. I am not trying to boost my post count. I am not whining, crying or doing anything like that. I have a different view point than you. Can I not voice a different viewpoint? Am I not allowed to do this on a public message board? Unlike most of you, I have not broken any rules. I did not report any of you, but I am giving you this warning on the personal attacks, if they keep coming I will be forced to use the report post button. I am not whining, crying or doing anything similair about this point either. If I have to follow the rules then all of you have to as well.

[sgfantoo]

I have a solution. Let the UIL take over. The UIL will be required to build a 30,000 seat stadium in any section of the state that does not have one, ie east Texas. UIL will contract with big stadiums in other parts of the state. Then when this situation, LPvSLC and HPvM, occurs, the UIL will have thought of everything and we will not have any controversy.

DFW folks, let's not be so arrogant as to think that our desires rule the state!

[LUFPAN]

I have a solution. Let the UIL take over. The UIL will be required to build a 30,000 seat stadium in any section of the state that does not have one, ie east Texas. UIL will contract with big stadiums in other parts of the state. Then when this situation, LPvSLC and HPvM, occurs, the UIL will have thought of everything and we will not have any controversy.

DFW folks, let's not be so arrogant as to think that our desires rule the state!

Works for me as long as one of the 30,000 seat stadiums get built in Lufkin.:D

[sgfantoo]

You can argue with Longview and Tyler.

[bullrock]

Dragon, if you call that an attack, you must have very thin skin.

[Favpack]

I have a solution. Let the UIL take over. The UIL will be required to build a 30,000 seat stadium in any section of the state that does not have one, ie east Texas. UIL will contract with big stadiums in other parts of the state. Then when this situation, LPvSLC and HPvM, occurs, the UIL will have thought of everything and we will not have any controversy.

DFW folks, let's not be so arrogant as to think that our desires rule the state!
Excellent idea - and let Michael Dell and the other billionaires license them out. We could have the East Texas Dell Stadium - I think it should be built in central east Texas - maybe around Redland or Bald Hill:D .

[dragonfootballfan]

Dragon, if you call that an attack, you must have very thin skin.
I am not calling that one thing an attack, go look at all the posts that have been made on all the threads about the stadium. I have been called many names.

[bullrock]

I rst my case. I didn't see anything in either one of those comments that sounds like an attack.

[dragonfootballfan]

I rst my case. I didn't see anything in either one of those comments that sounds like an attack.
There has been 5 minutes since my post. I am sure you looked at all of the posts about the stadium including one thread that is over 15 pages.

[farmerfan]

I rst my case. I didn't see anything in either one of those comments that sounds like an attack.


man bull is fired up today. got some perry mason working, no one mess with bull today, he is on the prowl :)

[bullrock]

Someone mentioned lawyers in one of these threads. I just thought we might as well go to the courtroom. You have to be respectful in courtrooms. We could all use a good dose of that. These weeks last too long. If Saturday doesn't hurry up and get here, no one will psot after the season because we'll all hate each other.

[Lufkin_Class_Of_08]

Their only way to solve this is by building a bigger stadium or moving closer to a big stadium so that when the opportunity comes when you can host a playoff game you can.

let me know when you come up with a way to move 40,000 people;)

[dragonfootballfan]

let me know when you come up with a way to move 40,000 people;)
I was not talking about moving the town. I was speaking to the people that are tired of having to travel to playoff games.

[mboys4lp]

I think the SLC fans need to realize we Lufkinites have dealt all week with a tragic situation. Three LHS students were in a horrible wreck coming home from Waco(again) in the middle of the night, and may never be the same. God willing, they will. If we get the right to stay home once, drive twenty miles, and not worry about our children in cars and buses "till the wee hours of the morning, maybe its our turn. Let's love the game, and be safe...

[dragonsfan]

This is the silliest issue yet. The game is at SFA, so get over it. The Dragons have played at worse locations and will in the future; as have the Pack. Either go to the game or don't go to the game, but this complaining about the location is idiotic. Good grief, until 2001 our home field hardly held 3,000 and it had real grass and it didn't hurt anyone to watch games played there.

[BAMF cowboy]

He knew it needed to be in a bigger stadium and still chose a small stadium. Tell me one reason that was not selfish to not choose a big stadium when you know a matchup of this kind needs to be there.

if you read the article it explains it

[dragonfootballfan]

if you read the article it explains it
I read the article, but could you please list the reason for me because I obviously did not see it

[BAMF cowboy]

I read the article, but could you please list the reason for me because I obviously did not see it

well according to the article, Waco, San Antonio, and Reliant were unavailable. That takes away a lot of your big venues right there. Outlaw wanted to agree on A&M but Dodge didn't want to play on grass...alright. The next alternative was Texas Stadium, a good HS football stadium that would accomodate the crowd, but only a short distance from SL. Unfortunate for Lufkin. Now...thinking from a Lufkin perspective, why would I want to travel 4 hours, compared to about 20 minutes, when we can flip-flop and make my opposition travel 4 hours. Thus, SFA seemed to be a comparable option. Plus Outlaw mentioned that the Pack faithful had had to travel a 4 hr trip to waco 3 times in 4 weeks. And also, why wouldn't you try and gain every advantage against SLC. Heck, they're gonna need it.

[dragonfootballfan]

well according to the article, Waco, San Antonio, and Reliant were unavailable. That takes away a lot of your big venues right there. Outlaw wanted to agree on A&M but Dodge didn't want to play on grass...alright. The next alternative was Texas Stadium, a good HS football stadium that would accomodate the crowd, but only a short distance from SL. Unfortunate for Lufkin. Now...thinking from a Lufkin perspective, why would I want to travel 4 hours, compared to about 20 minutes, when we can flip-flop and make my opposition travel 4 hours. Thus, SFA seemed to be a comparable option. Plus Outlaw mentioned that the Pack faithful had had to travel a 4 hr trip to waco 3 times in 4 weeks. And also, why wouldn't you try and gain every advantage against SLC. Heck, they're gonna need it.
ok now tell me how that was not selfish

[BAMF cowboy]

its not (not selfish)...but i dont see why that's a problem. it's all part of getting the upperhand

[dragonfootballfan]

its not (not selfish)...but i dont see why that's a problem. it's all part of getting the upperhand
So if I got the upperhand in anything I should use that to do only what I want and not care about anybody else?

[pack4life]

So if I got the upperhand in anything I should use that to do only what I want and not care about anybody else?


I'm pretty sure it just wasen't outlaw that wanted SFA.. Lufkin is pretty tired of driving very long distances for games, so... how would it have been fair for Lufkin to drive all the way there again? Is that selfish of Dodge and SLC because they wanted the game in their own backyard? Cmon now man..

[BAMF cowboy]

if you had the opporunity to why not?

[POB]

I'm pretty sure it just wasen't outlaw that wanted SFA.. Lufkin is pretty tired of driving very long distances for games, so... how would it have been fair for Lufkin to drive all the way there again? Is that selfish of Dodge and SLC because they wanted the game in their own backyard? Cmon now man..

Very well said...10 at that

[dragonfootballfan]

I'm pretty sure it just wasen't outlaw that wanted SFA.. Lufkin is pretty tired of driving very long distances for games, so... how would it have been fair for Lufkin to drive all the way there again? Is that selfish of Dodge and SLC because they wanted the game in their own backyard? Cmon now man..
If you live in Lufkin and you do not like traveling to big venues for playoff games you have two choices:

1. Get a big stadium built in the Lufkin area so that when a big game happens you have a stadium that is big enough to hold all the people that want to go.

2. Move to a city that is close to a big stadium so that when your new team has a game that calls for a big venue you can host it.

[POB]

If you live in Lufkin and you do not like traveling to big venues for playoff games you have two choices:

1. Get a big stadium built in the Lufkin area so that when a big game happens you have a stadium that is big enough to hold all the people that want to go.

2. Move to a city that is close to a big stadium so that when your new team has a game that calls for a big venue you can host it.

3. You can just shut up about it and get used to playing...sorry you will be watching in a small stadium and cheering your team to victory

[pack4life]

If you live in Lufkin and you do not like traveling to big venues for playoff games you have two choices:

1. Get a big stadium built in the Lufkin area so that when a big game happens you have a stadium that is big enough to hold all the people that want to go.

2. Move to a city that is close to a big stadium so that when your new team has a game that calls for a big venue you can host it.


Never said i didn't like it, just said I was tired of it. We can't exaclty pull money out of nowhere to get a big stadium built, cmon, we're just poor country folk:p

[dragonfootballfan]

Never said i didn't like it, just said I was tired of it. We can't exaclty pull money out of nowhere to get a big stadium built, cmon, we're just poor country folk:p
Let me revise my post then

If you live in Lufkin and you are tired of traveling to big venues for playoff games you have two choices:

1. Get a big stadium built in the Lufkin area so that when a big game happens you have a stadium that is big enough to hold all the people that want to go.

2. Move to a city that is close to a big stadium so that when your new team has a game that calls for a big venue you can host it.

[Favpack]

If you live in Lufkin and you do not like traveling to big venues for playoff games you have two choices:

1. Get a big stadium built in the Lufkin area so that when a big game happens you have a stadium that is big enough to hold all the people that want to go.

2. Move to a city that is close to a big stadium so that when your new team has a game that calls for a big venue you can host it.

Or you can do what DFF does:

1. Don't go to the games. Just argue all week long with other people on a forum and claim to be a fan - then fire up XBox while Dragon Nation goes to the game.

[POB]

Let me revise my post then

If you live in Lufkin and you are tired of traveling to big venues for playoff games you have two choices:

1. Get a big stadium built in the Lufkin area so that when a big game happens you have a stadium that is big enough to hold all the people that want to go.

2. Move to a city that is close to a big stadium so that when your new team has a game that calls for a big venue you can host it.

Its more anoying than tiresome...but i guess yall wouldnt know about that...would you

[pack4life]

Let me revise my post then

If you live in Lufkin and you are tired of traveling to big venues for playoff games you have two choices:

1. Get a big stadium built in the Lufkin area so that when a big game happens you have a stadium that is big enough to hold all the people that want to go.

2. Move to a city that is close to a big stadium so that when your new team has a game that calls for a big venue you can host it.


If you don't like playing in smaller stadiums far away from home, stop following high school football and follow the dallas cowboys:p

[bullrock]

Why don't ya'll just admit it Panthers. Outlaw is a self centered, self serving pig. If you would say that I think you might shut this guy up. That seems to be what he wants hear.

[slc1knight]

Howdy Boys. Rookie poster but long time reader. I want to make sure everyone knows that dragonfootballfan does not speak for the Southlake Football Fan Base ( as he did say in one post).

My opinion -
1 - there are plenty of tickets available and 25,000 capacity will be adequate (not ideal from a comfort standpoint). Should be an electric atmosphere.
2 - Selfish definition - doing what serves yourself - dragonfootballfan, is that you?
3 - Always exploit an advantage - that's what coaches get paid to do

I look forward to seeing the game - well worth the drive!

[dragons08]

jeeeez dragonfootballfan, shut up its called an "advantage" like texas stadium is to us..

so shut up your not even going, you dont even go when its at TS, so what does it matter dont go the whole "selfish thing" or "the stadium is to small" just please, stop posting

and slc1knight, welcome to the board

[PantherStang84]

So if I got the upperhand in anything I should use that to do only what I want and not care about anybody else?

You know it is fortunate that the game of football is not played using John Nash's gaming theories. If it were, there would be no state championships or mythical national championships.

According to Knute Rockne, "The game of football is a physical expression of a mental exercise."

The stadium coin flip was the first move in this game of chess. Coach Outlaw would have been irresponsible had he subscribed to John Nash's theories that DFF so eagerly embraces.

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[dragonfootballfan]

1 - there are plenty of tickets available and 25,000 capacity will be adequate (not ideal from a comfort standpoint). Should be an electric atmosphere.
They already said they were going to let no more than 18,000 in the stadium. That is 7,000 less than what you have stated.

2 - Selfish definition - doing what serves yourself - dragonfootballfan, is that you?
Please show me in my posts where I am being selfish.

3 - Always exploit an advantage - that's what coaches get paid to do


No the coaches get paid to try and teach young men how to become a great man in the future. Exploiting an advantage should be secondary to teaching a young adult how to become a great man.

[SLC Dragon Fan]

So if I got the upperhand in anything I should use that to do only what I want and not care about anybody else?

You finally got it dff. In the game of coin flips that's exactly how it works. Yu win and you get what you want without consideration of the desires of the loser. You lose and you have to accept the consequences. It appears that Coach Dodge has accepted it and moved on along with almost all of the Dragon Nation. There are a few however that are most definitely not speaking for the rest of the Dragon fans.

By the way dff, how many SLC games have you been to this year?

[packfan75]

If you live in Lufkin and you do not like traveling to big venues for playoff games you have two choices:

1. Get a big stadium built in the Lufkin area so that when a big game happens you have a stadium that is big enough to hold all the people that want to go.

2. Move to a city that is close to a big stadium so that when your new team has a game that calls for a big venue you can host it.

YOU are the one who apparently doesn't like traveling to playoff games. You have *****ed about this for how many days now? We *know* that you think Outlaw is selfish. Have you considered the fact that you are showing how selfish you are by constantly whining just because things aren't the way you want them? You come across as a big baby. You clearly have an attitude of entitlement. Not impressive at all.

[dragonfootballfan]

YOU are the one who apparently doesn't like traveling to playoff games. You have *****ed about this for how many days now? We *know* that you think Outlaw is selfish. Have you considered the fact that you are showing how selfish you are by constantly whining just because things aren't the way you want them? You come across as a big baby. You clearly have an attitude of entitlement. Not impressive at all.
I live in a city that is close enough to a big stadium to host a game this big. I would have no problem traveling to a game if it is in a big venue. That quote was in response to a Lufkin fan that said that this stadium was chosen because they are tired of traveling. That stadium was not big enough and your coach admitted it. Show me how I am being selfish by posting on a message board.

[PantherStang84]

If you live in Lufkin and you are tired of traveling to big venues for playoff games you have two choices:

1. Get a big stadium built in the Lufkin area so that when a big game happens you have a stadium that is big enough to hold all the people that want to go.

Are you willing to put up the funding?

2. Move to a city that is close to a big stadium so that when your new team has a game that calls for a big venue you can host it.

Grew up in a big city myself. Like it here in the woods better.

Isn't selfish for big city teams to expect concessions from smaller town teams on playoff venues?

Here is an option you can explore?

Petition the UIL that all 5A teams must be located in major metropolitan areas so you can buy $6.00 hot dogs and $5.00 sodas at every playoff game. Any team not located within 20 minutes of a "big stadium" must be 4A or smaller.

How much are you willing to help solve this "crisis"?

Here is a question you have failed to answer in 22 pages of crying...

Why was Kyle field not suitable to SLC? It seems your only concern is stadium capacity. Kyle is more than big enough to handle the crowd.

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[slc1knight]

QUOTE=dragonfootballfan]They already said they were going to let no more than 18,000 in the stadium. That is 7,000 less than what you have stated

I got a ticket today with no problem - 18,000 will accomodate a real fan

Please show me in my posts where I am being selfish.

See every post on this tired subject

No the coaches get paid to try and teach young men how to become a great man in the future. Exploiting an advantage should be secondary to teaching a young adult how to become a great man.

Why does Dodge look over the defense and change the play - to exploit an advantage.

[PantherStang84]

Why don't ya'll just admit it Panthers. Outlaw is a self centered, self serving pig. If you would say that I think you might shut this guy up. That seems to be what he wants hear.

Bullrock,

We have already conceeded those points in another thread. He still keeps crying.

[dragonfootballfan]

Are you willing to put up the funding?
I already live in a city that is close to a big venue. It is not my responsibility.



Grew up in a big city myself. Like it here in the woods better.
One of the drawbacks of the woods is that you do not have a big stadium. So you should have to travel to games that should be in big stadiums.


Isn't selfish for big city teams to expect concessions from smaller town teams on playoff venues?Concessions? Like what having the game in a reasonable size stadium


Here is an option you can explore?

Petition the UIL that all 5A teams must be located in major metropolitan areas so you can buy $6.00 hot dogs and $5.00 sodas at every playoff game. Any team not located within 20 minutes of a "big stadium" must be 4A or smaller.

How much are you willing to help solve this "crisis"?

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I would rather have high concession prices and be garaunteed a seat than a game at a small venue where concession prices are lower but getting in may be a problem.

[dragonfootballfan]

Bullrock,

We have already conceeded those points in another thread. He still keeps crying.
I want evidence of me crying.

[DragonBand06]

Dragonfootballfan - Please respond to this for me.

Let's take the 34k at your game last week. Let me make an assumption that there were about 6k casual fans at the game, by that I mean someone not directly related to either school but someone who just wanted to see some good football, or someone there for one of the other games played that day at TS. Or just one of those dragon fans who will go to a game in town, but wouldn't travel out of town for the game.

Now let's assume if the game this week was at TS and for this game we have 8-10k casual fans there to see a really good game.

I am also going to assume that almost all of the casual fans at TS are going to cheer for a metroplex team before a team from East Texas.

Now Dragonfan - can you truly and honestly tell me that TS would be a fair "NEUTRAL" site for Lufkin if we can safely assume that at least 8-10k (or about 25% of the crowd) people cheering for SLC would be there who wouldn't care to drive out of town to see the game.

But you also have to take into account the people there cheering against us. Not necessarily for Lufkin, just against us.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. We lost the toss. Move on! A true fan will be there Sat. morning anyway. Trust me, I'd be there even if I wasn't in the band.

All I can say to Lufkin is the best of luck, and don't get there too late or you may find your seat taken :)

The football team will NOT be traveling that morning BTW, they're leaving Friday afternoon. Just so everyone knows. However, I'll be up bright and early! Bring your pancakes!

D-Band06

[PantherStang84]

I would rather have high concession prices and be garaunteed a seat than a game at a small venue where concession prices are lower but getting in may be a problem.

You didn't answer my question. Read post #123 again please.

[PantherStang84]

Concessions? Like what having the game in a reasonable size stadium

Yes. Isn't it selfish to require teams to travel 4 hours one way to accomodate big city schools?

Please answer my question.

[PantherStang84]

You also failed to answer the question below. Please answer it.


Why was Kyle field not suitable to SLC? It seems your only concern is stadium capacity. Kyle is more than big enough to handle the crowd.

[lufkin_82]

So when parents, grandparents, friends, students, and other relatives do not get to say their football player's last football game for the rest of his life, I hope that Outlaw is happy about his choice.
dont worry... i think he is very pleased with his choice. i bet he isnt losing any sleep because of this.

[DragonBand06]

Please Read Post 128

[dragonfootballfan]

I got a ticket today with no problem - 18,000 will accomodate a real fan

What constitutes the real fan? Should all fans not be able to support their team?

Please show me in my posts where I am being selfish.

See every post on this tired subject

I want a specific post.

No the coaches get paid to try and teach young men how to become a great man in the future. Exploiting an advantage should be secondary to teaching a young adult how to become a great man.

Why does Dodge look over the defense and change the play - to exploit an advantage.
That is done within the 48 minutes in which the game is played. People should act differently on and off the field.

[dragonfootballfan]

Yes. Isn't it selfish to require teams to travel 4 hours one way to accomodate big city schools?

Please answer my question.
Both schools selected stadiums that would have required a four hour trip by the opposition. Both schools did not choose stadiums that could hold all of the people that would be at the game.

[dragonfootballfan]

You also failed to answer the question below. Please answer it.
Why was Kyle field not suitable to SLC? It seems your only concern is stadium capacity. Kyle is more than big enough to handle the crowd.
Outlaw did not choose Kyle field he chose SFA. If he had chosen Kyle field I would have been fine with it

[PantherStang84]

Outlaw did not choose Kyle field he chose SFA.

It was offered as a neutral site. Again don't skirt the issue. Please answer the question:

Why was Kyle Field not suitable to SLC?

[PantherStang84]

Both schools selected stadiums that would have required a four hour trip by the opposition. Both schools did not choose stadiums that could hold all of the people that would be at the game.

Once again you have failed to answer a legitimate question.

Isn't it selfish to require smaller town schools with no big stadium close by to travel 4 hours to accomodate a school in a bigger area?

[ktCarl]

KT2000. I'm the guy you and KTcarl talked to in Whataburger before the Lufkin Cove game. I told you guys that I hoped to be playing Katy in a few weeks and I am not ready to give up on that yet. Will we win? Don't know. Could we win? Yes, and thats what makes this the game of the year IMHO.

Hey Dude!! Nothing like a burger before a big game, huh? We have to beat a good Smithson Valley team first before we consider you guys. Every game is a big party to Katy fans so you live the moment up for what it's worth before thinking about a possible next game. Didn't you hate those seats at the Floyd? I wrote in another thread that my legs were sore for two days after that experience. Anyway, me and my Katy friends had a great time at the game, even though I got to bed at 2:30a, and enjoyed putting faces to the usernames. I had to get up the next day at 8:00a to prepare for our game that day. I was a tired boy and then the Tigers put me through that comeback! I couldn't move on Sunday.
I think your defense should keep you guys in the game. Your offense will HAVE to establish some momentum to pressure SLC's defense or ya'lls goose is cooked. Either way I hope you guys do well and it was a pleasure meeting you, your wife and a bunch of other 'country bumpkins'. That's a good natured tweeking form another thread! :D

[dragonfootballfan]

Once again you have failed to answer a legitimate question.

Isn't it selfish to require smaller town schools with no big stadium close by to travel 4 hours to accomodate a school in a bigger area?
You should not punish a team that lives close to a big venue just for choosing to live in an area with those amenities. If you do not want to have to travel move to one of the cities that has a big venue or build one in your small city. You cannot have all the benefits of a small city and then complain about having to travel about using the amenities in a big city,

[PantherStang84]

You have also failed one of my earlier questions so I will rephrase it so you can understand it better.


Are you willing to petition the UIL that all 5A teams must be located in major metropolitan areas close to big stadiums and any team not located within 20 minutes of a "big stadium" must be 4A or smaller?

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[dragonfootballfan]

It was offered as a neutral site. Again don't skirt the issue. Please answer the question:

Why was Kyle Field not suitable to SLC?
It was not suitable because Carroll's coach did not want to play there. When a coach is agreeing on a neutral site he can agree or disagree with any stadium. Just like Outlaw did not want to play at Texas Stadium.

[dragonfootballfan]

You have also failed one of my earlier questions so I will rephrase it so you can understand it better.


Are you willing to petition the UIL that all 5A teams must be located in major metropolitan areas close to big stadiums and any team not located within 20 minutes of a "big stadium" must be 4A or smaller?

Page 8.
No. But I will write a letter to the UIL about having the games from the state semifinals on in 5A and 4A to have the games in permanent rotating sites at big venues.

[PantherStang84]

You should not punish a team that lives close to a big venue just for choosing to live in an area with those amenities. If you do not want to have to travel move to one of the cities that has a big venue or build one in your small city. You cannot have all the benefits of a small city and then complain about having to travel about using the amenities in a big city.

Why do you refuse to answer my orginal question? Let me state it again. I will keep asking it until you answer it.

Isn't it selfish to require smaller town schools to travel 4 hours one way just to accomodate a school in a bigger area?

It is a simple question and only requires a yes or no answer.

[dragonfootballfan]

Why do you refuse to answer my orginal question? Let me state it again. I will keep asking it until you answer it.

Isn't it selfish to require smaller town schools to travel 4 hours one way just to accomodate a school in a bigger area?

It is a simple question and only requires a yes or no answer.
no. you can read my explanations in the above posts. I thought it was implied in those posts that my answer was no, and I apologize for those that did not realize that

[PantherStang84]

No. But I will write a letter to the UIL about having the games from the state semifinals on in 5A and 4A to have the games in permanent rotating sites at big venues.

Well that's a start. Good luck with that. If playoff sites are pre-determined before the season even starts we wouldn't have 23 pages of threads calling a Coach selfish now would we?

[dragonfootballfan]

Well that's a start. Good luck with that. If playoff sites are pre-determined before the season even starts we wouldn't have 23 pages of threads calling a Coach selfish now would we?
no we would not. And we also would not have 23 pages claiming a coach that lost a flip and could not choose the stadium responsible.

[PantherStang84]

no. you can read my explanations in the above posts. I thought it was implied in those posts that my answer was no, and I apologize for those that did not realize that

Ok. Fair enough.

So now we have a double standard then don't we?

It is ok to force a smaller town school to travel 4 hours one way to accomodate a bigger areas fan base.

But it is not ok to have a bigger area's school travel 4 hours to a stadium that is not as big.

I hope I summarized your position correctly. Now for the big question you are probably not willing to answer....

Isn't the above stated position a bit snobbish?

[dragonfootballfan]

Ok. Fair enough.

So now we have a double standard then don't we?

It is ok to force a smaller town school to travel 4 hours one way to accomodate a bigger areas fan base.

But it is not ok to have a bigger area's school travel 4 hours to a stadium that is not as big.

I hope I summarized your position correctly. Now for the big question you are probably not willing to answer....

Isn't the above stated position a bit snobbish?
That is not correct. The big city schools should also have to travel if it is a neutral site. If it is a coin flip then the big city school should not have to travel if there is a big venue available in their city. Big games need to be in big stadiums. If the small city coach wants both teams to travel he needs to choose a big site that he would have to travel to as well.

What you described above is snobbish, but that is not my position. In the scenario that you described above coach Outlaw would have chosen Texas Stadium. I don't think that he should have to choose Texas Stadium, just a stadium that is big enough to accomadate everyone.

[PantherStang84]

no we would not. And we also would not have 23 pages claiming a coach that lost a flip and could not choose the stadium responsible.

Can you find a post where I stated such?

I only stated if anything that the SLC coach wanted the game at TS. He took a chance on a coin flip and lost.

However, are you willing to answer this question that I asked earlier?

Since Kyle Field was mentioned as a possible neutral site (the only true neutral site available this weekend), why was it not acceptable to SLC?

[dragonfootballfan]

Can you find a post where I stated such?
You may or may not have said that, but other Lufkin fans have said that it is coach Dodge's fault because he did not want to play at Kyle.


However, are you willing to answer this question that I asked earlier?

Since Kyle Field was mentioned as a possible neutral site (the only true neutral site available this weekend), why was it not acceptable to SLC?
Go look at post 142

[PantherStang84]

That is not correct.

How is it not correct?

You stated pretty much the same thing in the same post.

It is ok for a big city school to force a smaller town to travel to their area to play a game.

But it is not ok for a smaller town school to force a big city school to travel to the smaller area because there is no big stadium available.

We will disagree here, but I find that not only snobbish but arrogant as well.

[Lp78]

Personally I could care less what people like DFF thinks. If Lufkin would have lost the coin flip & was playing at a site like SFA.This would not be a topic. By the way, Texas HS Football does not revolve around SLC, Katy, Lufkin, SV etc... Deal with it & quit *****ing about it. I hope Lufkin wins. It would make me that much happier knowing people like DFF had a loooong drive home.:p :p :p :p :p

[PACK '97]

It was not suitable because Carroll's coach did not want to play there. When a coach is agreeing on a neutral site he can agree or disagree with any stadium. Just like Outlaw did not want to play at Texas Stadium.

I agree Dodge may have not wanted to play at Kyle, but he also knows if Outlaw wins the flip, that Outlaw would not have chosen Kyle. Why would he think Outlaw would choose a field 2 1/2 hours away as a home? Dodge must have assumed before flipping that if SLC lost, Outlaw would pick SFA. Dodge wanted TS and TS only. He risked the chance and lost. End of story.

[dragonfootballfan]

How is it not correct?

You stated pretty much the same thing in the same post.

It is ok for a big city school to force a smaller town to travel to their area to play a game.

But it is not ok for a smaller town school to force a big city school to travel to the smaller area because there is no big stadium available.

We will disagree here, but I find that not only snobbish but arrogant as well.
I did not say that they can force the small city school to their area. If the small city wants to take their chances and flip home and home they should have to travel to a stadium that is big enough for the game. You cannot have the ammenities of the big city in a small town. If you want to play big games in your city move there

[PACK '97]

I did not say that they can force the small city school to their area. If the small city wants to take their chances and flip home and home they should have to travel to a stadium that is big enough for the game. You cannot have the ammenities of the big city in a small town. If you want to play big games in your city move there

Or you can:

1) abide by the rules
2) win a flip
3) stay at home
4) watch a big game

[PantherStang84]

It was not suitable because Carroll's coach did not want to play there.

Ok. Fair enough. Like you said Coach Outlaw did not want to play at TS.

Therefore, if it ok for SLC not to agree to travel to College Station and to choose TS as their home field.

I think it is arrogant and selfish to expect another school to choose another stadium 3.5 hours away from their home as their home field just because no "big stadium" is close by.

[dragonfootballfan]

Or you can:

1) abide by the rules
2) win a flip
3) stay at home
4) watch a big game
so you feel that as long as you do everything within the rules it is ok? That is fine. I know that nobody did anything that they were not allowed to do, but that does not make them right.

[Lp78]

Somebody needs to pick their toys up & go home!

[PantherStang84]

But I will write a letter to the UIL about having the games from the state semifinals on in 5A and 4A to have the games in permanent rotating sites at big venues.

OK. Let's try these scenarios out...

2006: Katy vs SLC at Rice Stadium in Houston. Rice Stadium is designated by the UIL as the site for both 5A state championship games.

2007: Smithson Valley vs. SLC at the Alamodome in San Antonio. Again, the UIL has designated the Alamodome at the site for both 5A state final games.

Can we expect multiple threads from SLC fans complaining that they have had to travel 5 hours one way 2 years in a row if the above came true?

[dragonfootballfan]

Ok. Fair enough. Like you said Coach Outlaw did not want to play at TS.

Therefore, if it ok for SLC not to agree to travel to College Station and to choose TS as their home field.

think it is arrogant and selfish to expect another school to choose another stadium 3.5 hours away from their home as their home field just because no "big stadium" close by.
see that is where we dissagree. It is also where it cannot be solved, because somebody will always be wrong. It took probably 38 combined thread pages to get to this point. I hope that the UIL can step in next year not for money (as they usually do) but to protect coaches by making the rotating big venues permanent sites for semifinals and championship games. I reached this point with farmerfan and I hope that I do not have to reach this point with anybody else, because contrary to popular belief, I am tired of this as well. So let me hammer out what I think we have gotten down to.

What we agree on:
1. Both coaches used their right to not agree to a neutral site.
2. Both coaches agreed to a coin flip.
3. Coach Outlaw won the flip and had a decision to make.
4. Outlaw chose a stadium that was too small for the event.
5. There needs to be permanent rotating sites for the semifinal and championships in order to avoid decisions for the coaches that may make them look bad in the eyes of a certain group.

What we do not agree on:
1. I think that Coach Outlaw should have chosen a big venue even though his team would have to travel and had Coach Dodge won the flip his team would not have to travel because they live near a big stadium.

2. You think that Outlaw made the right decision to keep it close to Lufkin because if Dodge had won the flip his team would have to travel about the same distance to their stadium.

What will not happen:
1. You and most of your side of the argument will not agree with me.
2. I will not agree with your side of the argument.

What I hope happens:
1. I hope that you and your side of the argument understands the point that I am trying to make regardless of whether you agree.

What has happened:
1. I understand your side of the argument and how no matter what decision Outlaw made, somebody would have been upset.

[dragonfootballfan]

OK. Let's try these scenarios out...

2006: Katy vs SLC at Rice Stadium in Houston. Rice Stadium is designated by the UIL as the site for both 5A state championship games.

2007: Smithson Valley vs. SLC at the Alamodome in San Antonio. Again, the UIL has designated the Alamodome at the site for both 5A state final games.

Can we expect multiple threads from SLC fans complaining that they have had to travel 5 hours one way 2 years in a row if the above came true?
no, because those sites were predetermined, rotated, and there will be enough room for everyone.

[LUFPAN]

I did not say that they can force the small city school to their area. If the small city wants to take their chances and flip home and home they should have to travel to a stadium that is big enough for the game. You cannot have the ammenities of the big city in a small town. If you want to play big games in your city move there

KT is it possible to block this guy just untill the game is over on Saturday so that he will stop hi-jacking all the threads to tell the world what an evil person Coach Outlaw is and how all the small towns should bow before the large town schools?

[dragonfootballfan]

KT is it possible to block this guy just untill the game is over on Saturday so that he will stop hi-jacking all the threads to tell the world what an evil person Coach Outlaw is and how all the small towns should bow before the large town schools?
what threads did I hijack? Look at the first and second posts in this one. It is about the stadium. Why did you just PM that to the moderators instead of using it as a pseudo-callout?

[KLH75287]

IF you are a true fan and supporter of your team, then you will show up early, get your tail in line and wait until the gate opens, and go find you a seat and hold on to it. LP FANS do it EVERY WEEK. What's the big deal?

Either do what it takes to see the game, or listen to it on the radio. This is NUTS.

It's about the kids and the game, not about the fans ability to show up at kick-off and stroll in to grab a seat. IT'S NOT ABOUT US !!!

GO PACK IN '05

[LUFPAN]

what threads did I hijack? Look at the first and second posts in this one. It is about the stadium. Why did you just PM that to the moderators instead of using it as a pseudo-callout?

Is this where you push the button to report a thread because one of those mean old Lufkin people has insulted you?:rolleyes:

No need to PM this type message. Would you rather I post it or go behind your back to ask that somebody quiet you down for a few days. I haven't broken any rules. But I guess following the rules (i.e. coinflips) only impresses you when they work in your favor.

[dragonfootballfan]

Is this where you push the button to report a thread because one of those mean old Lufkin people has insulted you?:rolleyes:

No need to PM this type message. Would you rather I post it or go behind your back to ask that somebody quiet you down for a few days. I haven't broken any rules. But I guess following the rules (i.e. coinflips) only impresses you when they work in your favor.
I have said that the Lufkin coaches had every right to choose the stadium that they did. I just do not feel it is the correct choice. I would have rather you PM me that type of message and the moderators.

[panthergrad]

what threads did I hijack? Look at the first and second posts in this one. It is about the stadium. Why did you just PM that to the moderators instead of using it as a pseudo-callout?
Nimrod. I posted the link to the Outlaw Q&A. Others chose to pull out the stadium thing again.

[LUFPAN]

I have said that the Lufkin coaches had every right to choose the stadium that they did. I just do not feel it is the correct choice. I would have rather you PM me that type of message and the moderators.

$0.25 Call someone who cares.:cool:

[dragonfootballfan]

Nimrod. I posted the link to the Outlaw Q&A. Others chose to pull out the stadium thing again.
in the second post and that was not me. Why am I to blame if this thread got off topic if I did not start it? The stadium issue is in the question and answer isn't it? Should that part not be discussed?

[dragonfootballfan]

$0.25 Call someone who cares.:cool:
If you don't like the topic you don't have to post in it. Some people care enough to have discussions go over 35 total pages.

[SLC Dragon Fan]

Personally I could care less what people like DFF thinks. If Lufkin would have lost the coin flip & was playing at a site like SFA.This would not be a topic. By the way, Texas HS Football does not revolve around SLC, Katy, Lufkin, SV etc... Deal with it & quit *****ing about it. I hope Lufkin wins. It would make me that much happier knowing people like DFF had a loooong drive home.:p :p :p :p :p

DFF isn't even going to the game

[slorch]

The people of Southlake live near a big stadium. It is not their fault that they live there. If you want to host big games, then you should have a big venue. It is very simple. So if East Texas wants to host big games, build a big venue

looks like to me they're hosting one with a college stadium. Not good enough? get a reasonable coach. Thank God for rules, or have you asked for his assistance on this issue?

[slorch]

No. But I will write a letter to the UIL about having the games from the state semifinals on in 5A and 4A to have the games in permanent rotating sites at big venues.
You're going to love going to Lubbock to play Plano under your plan.

Don't say it's like the regional tourneys in hoops because you're taking typically over 200 kids to football game vs 15 for hoops.

Welcome to what the rest of the state does every week. Y'all are lucky your team gets out there and executes instead of griping like its fans...

[dragonfootballfan]

looks like to me they're hosting one with a college stadium. Not good enough? get a reasonable coach. Thank God for rules, or have you asked for his assistance on this issue?
well it may be a college stadium, but it is not big enough. Even Lufkin's coach admitted it is not big enough.

[dragonfootballfan]

You're going to love going to Lubbock to play Plano under your plan.

Don't say it's like the regional tourneys in hoops because you're taking typically over 200 kids to football game vs 15 for hoops.

Welcome to what the rest of the state does every week. Y'all are lucky your team gets out there and executes instead of griping like its fans...
Well did I say that the regional finals should be play at permanent sites?

[dragonfootballfan]

DFF isn't even going to the game
so if I think that someone is wrong, as long as it does not affect me, I should not speak up about it and I should not care?

[svrangerfan]

Outlaw only has to do what is best for his team. He does not owe anything to Gramma Moneybags in Southlake. What does Dodge have against grass? The field at A&M is as good a field as there is anywhere. The fact SFA only holds 14,000 is not Outlaws fault. Dodge & Outlaw both are trying to win a football game and you can't fault either for trying to gain a competitive edge. SLC just lost a coinflip, what is the whining going to be like when they actually lose a football game? I know this is 5atexasfootball.com but Highland Park are you listening?? $hut up and play!!!

[slorch]

You should not punish a team that lives close to a big venue just for choosing to live in an area with those amenities. If you do not want to have to travel move to one of the cities that has a big venue or build one in your small city. You cannot have all the benefits of a small city and then complain about having to travel about using the amenities in a big city,

you're the only one complaining.

[slorch]

well it may be a college stadium, but it is not big enough. Even Lufkin's coach admitted it is not big enough.

I'm sure the field has adequate dimensions to host a football game, everything else, like your opinion, doesn't really matter when the game is played.

[dragonfootballfan]

you're the only one complaining.
what about all the Lufkin fans that are saying we always have to travel, we have traveled three times in the last four games? Is that not complaining?

[dragonfootballfan]

I'm sure the field has adequate dimensions to host a football game, everything else, like your opinion, doesn't really matter when the game is played.
So football would still exist if nobody watched it?

[Ladypack34]

HEY guess what!....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE WE PLAY!...HELL IF I WAS COACH OUTLAW AND I HEARD ALL OF THESE PEOPLE...I'D MAKE 'EM PLAY AT ABE MARTIN...SO JUST FREAKIN DEAL WITH THE LOCATION..AND GET OVER IT...ITS DONE...ITS OVER...IF ITS SELFISH...DEAL WITH IT...COACH OUTLAW DOESNT OWE ANYTHING TO ANYONE EXCEPT FOR HIS FOOTBALL BOYS...SO GET OFF OF THE DAMN LOCATION!!!!! THIS ISNT EVEN ABOUT THE LOCATION!...I ASSUME SLC IS STILL GONNA SHOW UP..SO IF THE TEAM ISNT THAT WORRIED ABOUT IT...THEN YOU NEED TO JUST GET OFF! get some hobbies besides !

KT's Note- No foul language allowed.

[dragonfootballfan]

HEY guess what!....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE WE PLAY!...HELL IF I WAS COACH OUTLAW AND I HEARD ALL OF THESE PEOPLE *****IN'...I'D MAKE 'EM PLAY AT ABE MARTIN...SO JUST FREAKIN DEAL WITH THE LOCATION..AND GET OVER IT...ITS DONE...ITS OVER...IF ITS SELFISH...DEAL WITH IT...COACH OUTLAW DOESNT OWE ANYTHING TO ANYONE EXCEPT FOR HIS FOOTBALL BOYS...SO GET OFF OF THE DAMN LOCATION!!!!! THIS ISNT EVEN ABOUT THE LOCATION!...I ASSUME SLC IS STILL GONNA SHOW UP..SO IF THE TEAM ISNT THAT WORRIED ABOUT IT...THEN YOU NEED TO JUST GET OFF! get some hobbies besides *****in!
Who is the one typing in all caps?

[BAMF cowboy]

So football would still exist if nobody watched it?

womens basketball exists....:D

[dragonfootballfan]

womens basketball exists....:D
I know not many people watch it, but people still will

[Ladypack34]

Who is the one typing in all caps?


me...and?....im not the one cryin about somethin i cant change on like 7 pages of posts!

[dragonfootballfan]

me...and?....im not the one cryin about somethin i cant change on like 7 pages of posts!
I am not crying either. If you are not supposed to post on a message board, what are you supposed to do?

[Ladypack34]

I am not crying either. If you are not supposed to post on a message board, what are you supposed to do?


whatever you want to do....but just be more mature...IT CANT BE CHANGED...so GET OFF!

[dragons08]

HEY guess what!....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE WE PLAY!...HELL IF I WAS COACH OUTLAW AND I HEARD ALL OF THESE PEOPLE *****IN'...I'D MAKE 'EM PLAY AT ABE MARTIN...SO JUST FREAKIN DEAL WITH THE LOCATION..AND GET OVER IT...ITS DONE...ITS OVER...IF ITS SELFISH...DEAL WITH IT...COACH OUTLAW DOESNT OWE ANYTHING TO ANYONE EXCEPT FOR HIS FOOTBALL BOYS...SO GET OFF OF THE DAMN LOCATION!!!!! THIS ISNT EVEN ABOUT THE LOCATION!...I ASSUME SLC IS STILL GONNA SHOW UP..SO IF THE TEAM ISNT THAT WORRIED ABOUT IT...THEN YOU NEED TO JUST GET OFF! get some hobbies besides *****in!
dragonfootballfan, you just got owned my friend, by...A GIRL!!:D

she'll kick your rear end for that (and me for that comment)

[dragonfootballfan]

whatever you want to do....but just be more mature...IT CANT BE CHANGED...so GET OFF!
So the mature one is the person that types in all caps and uses bad language?

[dragons08]

I am not crying either. If you are not supposed to post on a message board, what are you supposed to do?
you can read and think at times..and not always post hte same post over and over..look at me almost 7k, and most arent that repitive, it can be done!

[dragons08]

So the mature one is the person that types in all caps and uses bad language?
maybe caps lock was on?

[dragonfootballfan]

dragonfootballfan, you just got owned my friend, by...A GIRL!!:D

she'll kick your rear end for that (and me for that comment)
explain to me how I got owned? Is it because someone typed in all caps and used poor language twice?

[dragons08]

me...and?....im not the one cryin about somethin i cant change on like 7 pages of posts!
if you want to get all technical, its 10 pages

[Ladypack34]

So the mature one is the person that types in all caps and uses bad language?


i wasnt aware all caps was bad???!! sorry...and no cussin isnt mature...so dont follow my example..lol but dang...get off of the stupid location...lol get over it! please!

[dragonfootballfan]

maybe caps lock was on?
she did it twice and both times some words were capatilized and others were not

[dragons08]

explain to me how I got owned? Is it because someone typed in all caps and used poor language twice?
she told you off

[dragons08]

i wasnt aware all caps was bad???!! sorry...and no cussin isnt mature...so dont follow my example..lol but dang...get off of the stupid location...lol get over it! please!
yea be like me and be mature!:cool: cussing is for losers, i mean i never cuss:D , ask anyboy that knows me ;)

[dragonfootballfan]

i wasnt aware all caps was bad???!! sorry...and no cussin isnt mature...so dont follow my example..lol but dang...get off of the stupid location...lol get over it! please!
I have said it before. If you do not want me to post on the topic do not post and I will not reply. I have not started any threads on this topic.

[Ladypack34]

well boys..ull have to finish this up with out me....im out...

[dragons08]

well boys..ull have to finish this up with out me....im out...
hahah you got school loser :D

[LufkinPanthers2008]

HEY guess what!....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE WE PLAY!...HELL IF I WAS COACH OUTLAW AND I HEARD ALL OF THESE PEOPLE *****IN'...I'D MAKE 'EM PLAY AT ABE MARTIN...SO JUST FREAKIN DEAL WITH THE LOCATION..AND GET OVER IT...ITS DONE...ITS OVER...IF ITS SELFISH...DEAL WITH IT...COACH OUTLAW DOESNT OWE ANYTHING TO ANYONE EXCEPT FOR HIS FOOTBALL BOYS...SO GET OFF OF THE DAMN LOCATION!!!!! THIS ISNT EVEN ABOUT THE LOCATION!...I ASSUME SLC IS STILL GONNA SHOW UP..SO IF THE TEAM ISNT THAT WORRIED ABOUT IT...THEN YOU NEED TO JUST GET OFF! get some hobbies besides *****in!

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

[dragons08]

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:
more class of 08 respresnting

wheres dragoncrew..looks like 08 is better than 06

[LufkinPanthers2008]

more class of 08 respresnting

wheres dragoncrew..looks like 08 is better than 06

Class of 08 u know how we do it :cool:

[dragons08]

Class of 08 u know how we do it :cool:
of course, stragiht up cool

[Jtate862003]

Hey now 04 is in tha house :)

[dragons08]

Hey now 04 is in tha house :)
the class of losers :D

[slorch]

womens basketball exists....:D


That made me laugh out loud. Very nice

[DragonBand06]

No way. Seniors '06 right here! Anybody?

[dragons08]

No way. Seniors '06 right here! Anybody?
*cricket sound*

[BAMF cowboy]

*cricket sound*

haha d08 made another funny. add another to the tally, i think that makes it 2

[dragons08]

haha d08 made another funny. add another to the tally, i think that makes it 2
obviously somebody hasnet seen ALL 7k posts!

do i get points for burning lonny?

[DragonBand06]

obviously somebody hasnet seen ALL 7k posts!

do i get points for burning lonny?

No, but you lose points for being "bloody loony..." :P

[BAMF cowboy]

obviously somebody hasnet seen ALL 7k posts!

do i get points for burning lonny?

hmm its true you did 'burn' him. was it with a one-liner zinger? if so then yes...you may have a point

[dragons08]

No, but you lose points for being "bloody loony..." :P
knee slapper right there

[dragons08]

hmm its true you did 'burn' him. was it with a one-liner zinger? if so then yes...you may have a point
yea one line zinger, how many of my posts arent one line zingers?

[DragonBand06]

just keep a lookout for that sign...

[BAMF cowboy]

knee slapper right there

lmao. d08's having a field day tonight

[dragons08]

lmao. d08's having a field day tonight
call me butter, cause im on a roll!!

oh yes anotherr knee slapper

[dragons08]

just keep a lookout for that sign...
i'll lookout for johnson yelling at you! :D

[DragonBand06]

"call me butter, cause im on a roll!!

oh yes anotherr knee slapper"

...

[BAMF cowboy]

oohhh snap man, he gave you the ellipse....you gonna take that?

[DragonBand06]

Johnson yelleth not at the legendary cymbal section, we are too good :)

[dragons08]

oohhh snap man, he gave you the ellipse....you gonna take that?
hes jealous he couldnt come up with such a good joke

[dragons08]

Johnson yelleth not at the legendary cymbal section, we are too good :)
oh yessssssss let me bow down to the almighty cymbal:rolleyes:

we all know saxophones are the coolest!

[DragonBand06]

If Saxophone were difficult, it'd be called Drumline!

[BAMF cowboy]

omg....inter-band trash talk...now i've seen it all

[dragons08]

If Saxophone were difficult, it'd be called Drumline!
and you just stole that from a girls softball shirt.."if baseball were any harder, it be called softball"...not so tough now huh?

[dragons08]

omg....inter-band trash talk...now i've seen it all
have you seen inter-band trash talk football yet?

[DragonBand06]

and you just stole that from a girls softball shirt.."if baseball were any harder, it be called softball"...not so tough now huh?

Actually I saw this on a shirt at a band competition!

[dragons08]

Actually I saw this on a shirt at a band competition!
even lamer! reminds me of the "what happens in band camp, stays in band camp" i find that hillarious, b/c as you know nothing happens in band camp..

i must say i like the American Eagle band shirt..it says "Band Camp Blows" and it has a trumpet

[PACK]

You both are second rate because everyone knows that the trumpet section is THE VOICE of the band! ;)

[dragons08]

You both are second rate because everyone knows that the trumpet section is THE VOICE of the band! ;)
*the ANNOYING voice

cant stand sound of trumphet

[DragonBand06]

Tell me about it!

[dragons08]

the lufkin people are probally like WTF? some band nerds are hijacking our thread!

[DragonBand06]

even worse - some SLC band nerds hijacking our thread!?!

[DragonBand06]

Check out thread - "Which is more fun - the football or the band?"

[BAMF cowboy]

its nothing new for d08

[DragonBand06]

Burned! No response in 5!

[dragons08]

its nothing new for d08
woah woah woah, you cant blame me for ALL of them, you guys get me thinking, with some words in your posts, and i take them and run

[dragons08]

Burned! No response in 5!
say what?

[DragonBand06]

took you 6 min to give a comeback?

[dragons08]

took you 6 min to give a comeback?
dang i suck, remind me next time soon as dc06 posts i have to drop what im reading, to make sure and burn him!:D

[BAMF cowboy]

dang i suck, remind me next time soon as dc06 posts i have to drop what im reading, to make sure and burn him!:D

dont bring me into this little gang bang you guys are having

[dragons08]

dont bring me into this little gang bang you guys are having
you know you want in :p

[PaulinPlano]

How about you play the game at Dragon Stadium in Nacogdoches? Would that make everyone happy!?:D

[Favpack]

How about you play the game at Dragon Stadium in Nacogdoches? Would that make everyone happy!?:D

That stadium is beyond sucky. But, they have a cool dragon statue that breathes smoke out of it's nose. SLC would dig that.