I know Southlake was the Mythical National Champs But...

[RidgePride]

Do you really believe they could have beaten every high school team in the nation last year.

I think that any 5A Champion in Texas is at least legitimately top 5 in the Nation.

[Xfballphenome05]

i am positive that they could beat any team that they played...they could run the ball all day or pass the ball all day...on any body..only a few texas teams could come close to handle them.i think any team last year in the national top 25,would lose to south lake.

[concha]

It is not beyond reason to think that SLC could have beaten any team in the nation. But were they so good as to be a clear favorite over everyone?

The question should be, "Was SLC clearly the best or were there other teams that could have beaten SLC?"

Teams like Mission Viejo (CA), Colerain (OH), Lakeland (FL), Pittsburgh Central Catholic (PA) and a few others were extremely competitive teams. And let's not forget that SLC came within a score of being on the wrong side of at least 3 games in Texas.

[ALLSTAR]

It is not beyond reason to think that SLC could have beaten any team in the nation. But were they so good as to be a clear favorite over everyone?

The question should be, "Was SLC clearly the best or were there other teams that could have beaten SLC?"

Teams like Mission Viejo (CA), Colerain (OH), Lakeland (FL), Pittsburgh Central Catholic (PA) and a few others were extremely competitive teams. And let's not forget that SLC came within a score of being on the wrong side of at least 3 games in Texas.


those 3 close games were against nationally ranked teams... and it was in the playoffs. SLC would woop anyone on anyday.

[concha]

Does the concept "open mind" exist in the Lonestar State?

[ALLSTAR]

not against my team

[concha]

not against my team

Excellent. ;)

I hear ya.

[LeanderLions3033]

There would have been plenty of close games out there but SLC would not have lost to anybody last year. Colerain or whatever should be thrilled that they dont have to play SLC this year and are instead playing REL (nothing againt REL but i dont view them as the team that should represent texas, although i will back them till the end.). Just look at the gridiorn guide, and i think if Colerain were to play in Texas they would be ranked somewhere around 14 or 15.

[wide-e-wide]

Hey Concha it's Lone Star state...two words not one.
Lonestar is a country and western band. Look at the flag

[nsmustang]

That's right wide man. Football is a religion here and they start 'em playing at 6 yrs old. Texas isn't known for its high school recruits for nothing. Always has and always will. Concha, make no mistake about it, we are very biased here as you can tell. The best team in any given year may be in California or Florida but until ours is beaten we think otherwise. Truth is, on the high school level there is no way to really tell. We're just passionate about our teams.

[RidgePride]

Teams like Mission Viejo (CA), Colerain (OH), Lakeland (FL), Pittsburgh Central Catholic (PA) and a few others were extremely competitive teams.


I hate to break this to you Concha, but Colerain would not have come close to beating Southlake.
The Option offense is very elementary to Texas Football (very easy to defend). You have to be able to pass and run the ball effectively to have a chance.

[wide-e-wide]

Actually Lufkin ran a bit of option against SLC with pretty good
success.

[RidgePride]

Actually Lufkin ran a bit of option against SLC with pretty good
success.
They mix it up though - They run a spread offense - You should know that -
Lufkin also lost.

[Red Raiders]

I would have think that Southlake Carroll would have beaten Super 25 National Teams. They beat Abilene, Lufkin, Smithson Valley, and Denton Ryan (2 times) and they are all like the best team in state beside Tyler Lee and Spring Westfield.

Concha, stop making people mad that you think Colerain can beat Southlake Carroll, I just don't see that. Your probably looking Colerain scores vs opponent last season and they play all the easy teams and look at Southlake Carroll, they didn't have that much hard time before they were playing Abilene, Lufkin and Smithson Valley. Colerain didn't want to play Southlake Carroll because they are probably scared and they invited us to try. If they beat us, it doesn't mean that they can beat any teams in Texas.

[farmerfan]

If the option is so elementary, then why did Clear Lake make it to the semis, and just a few years ago North Shore won a state title running the option. In 01 Mesquite captured a state title running a wishbone offense with some option in it. When you have the right personel, the option offense is still as effective today as it was during the 80's. This is not to say that Colerain would haver beaten Southlake last year, all I am trying to get across is that the option is still very effective and when it is run right is still the best offense in all of football.
The team that I would have loved to see Southlake play a year ago is Mission Viejo, any time you can beat Long Beach Poly (2) and De La Salle in a season, you have to be a pretty tough football team.

[implacable44]

They don't call it "mythical" for nothing. There is no way to know that. Could the 93 Cowboys beat the '04 Patriots ? Could Jerry West play in today's NBA ? Could the '94 Judson Rockets with Jerod Douglas have won state last year? I mean look at it this way - Judson and Southlake had one opponent in common last year - Smithson Valley and -- well check the box scores to see the difference.

Heck to hear some of the Carroll fanatics they tell me the best team ever at SLC was a few years back when they were in 3A.

[SWTAlumni]

Thats tuff to say "F_BALL" because Smithson Valley was kicking your tail all over TEXAS STADIUM for about 2 and 1/2 quarters. Your quarterback was on his back for the first time all year, who's to say there aren't 5 other teams in TEXAS alone that could do the same!

The fact is probably 1/2 of the nations top 25 could beat you on any given day. Try playing Longview, Lufkin, and Tyler Lee in the same month, if you can beat all three then your statement might have some truth to it!

Thanx,

District 12-5A fan!

[nsmustang]

If the option is so elementary, then why did Clear Lake make it to the semis, and just a few years ago North Shore won a state title running the option. In 01 Mesquite captured a state title running a wishbone offense with some option in it. When you have the right personel, the option offense is still as effective today as it was during the 80's. This is not to say that Colerain would haver beaten Southlake last year, all I am trying to get across is that the option is still very effective and when it is run right is still the best offense in all of football.
The team that I would have loved to see Southlake play a year ago is Mission Viejo, any time you can beat Long Beach Poly (2) and De La Salle in a season, you have to be a pretty tough football team.

Shore ran the option very few times. As good as Reid was, he could not pitch back well and muffed it a lot when they ran it. Their signature play is the Lead Draw right up the gut. I Would have put that team against anyone in the country, even Colerain and De La Salle.....

[CCDawgs05]

Thats tuff to say "F_BALL" because Smithson Valley was kicking your tail all over TEXAS STADIUM for about 2 and 1/2 quarters. Your quarterback was on his back for the first time all year, who's to say there aren't 5 other teams in TEXAS alone that could do the same!

The fact is probably 1/2 of the nations top 25 could beat you on any given day. Try playing Longview, Lufkin, and Tyler Lee in the same month, if you can beat all three then your statement might have some truth to it!

Thanx,

District 12-5A fan!

But didn't SLC win the game vs. SV.....im sure they did...

[DrEdward]

Certainly Carroll has had an incredible run over the past three seasons. Last year's team was obviously a solid team. It is clearly the case that the Dragons won the 5A title, after that, the arguments can begin. Carroll's streak in the playoff agaiinst schools such as Abilene, Lufkin, Smithson Valley, etc. is no less impressive than playing in any national competition or even east Texas. Could they have played well against any other high school in the US? Absolutely.

[concha]

Ohio must really suck and be backward in football then, because Colerain has run their option game effectively and with great success for many years now. Come to think of it, hasn't De La Salle had a pretty good option game going over in California for awhile now? You guys should ask for donations from all the Ohio programs that Colerain has given fits with their option game. REL will enlighten them all with the Texas secret sauce for option control.

I hope those poor lads in COlerain can just keep it close for a couple of quarters....




Football 101: Option football
by Bob Davie
Special to ESPN.com


Option offensive football can be the most difficult scheme to defend if it is run with high execution.

.......

Conclusion
Option offenses have many advantages over defenses. As we have mentioned, because there are so few running option football in Division 1-A, they have the advantage every week. It is difficult for defensive teams to prepare because they don't see it very often. Another point is the defensive coaches have a hard time getting a scout time prepared to run it against their defense in practice. Very few teams run option, as a result there are very few option quarterbacks to run it in scout squads in preparation.

Option football run at high level of execution is without a doubt the most difficult thing to defend in college football.

[sltnusmc]

I watched Abilene High give SLC all they could handle right in their own backyard. Oh and Jarrod Carol put Daniel on his back a few times!

[Texasfrog]

The otion is a very good offense if you have the right personnel to run it. You dont see alot of it in Texas anymore because teams have started to spread the field (which makes their offense) more wide-open.

I agree with Mustang. North Shore didnt run the option that much. They did it like 4 times a game. Lead Draw, Blast, QB Sweeps were their bread and butter. Plus, North Shore had probably the best High school defense I've seen in about 15 years (Nationally).

Clear Lake runs the option. They also had the players to do it.
Their entire backfield (QB, RB, RB) are D-1 players.

I've watched Colerain a couple of times on DVD (2004 Ohio Title game). Its just my opinion (Concha doesnt like it) but I dont think Colerain see alot of teams that run the "Spread offensives" as well as the top echlon Texas teams do. If a teams defense isnt used to covering that style of offense it can be very challenging to do.

Texas defensives are pretty stingy also. Evangel Christian (Louisiana State Champ) and one of the top offensive teams in the nation can attest to that. The three Texas teams they face kept ECA to an average of 14 pts a game. ECA averaged almost 44 pts on everyone else (except Springdale & WM).

Yes, SLC had a few bumps in the road. I saw these games ( Abilene, Lufkin and SV) were tough games. I'll say that those teams can also play with anyone in the nation like that. There is 100% no doubt in my mind that Abilene & Lufkin were 2 of the best High school teams in the NATION.

They (2004 Abilene & Lufkin) had very skilled kids, good kids and great coaching staffs along with everything else.

In my opinion from what I saw last year.. (California, florida, Alabama, Georgia , Louisiana, Arkansas , Ohio , Washington and Texas). I would put SLC #1 and feel pretty strong about it. They had the system, players , coaches and everything else. Plus, some people claiming that SLC defense wasnt that good. Well, their defense was alot better than some people think. Probably the most underated defense in Texas.

Now saying all of that. I've stated a 1,000 times that other States have some teams that can play with the top #15 or so teams in Texas and do very well and win some of those games. But, Texas does blow away every other State hands down when it comes to Depth of quality teams. No State can come even remotely close when it comes to the overall quality of Texas teams and the numbers of great teams. Thats why I think National High school polls are totally and 100% a JOKE.

I would put alot of Texas (7-3) 5A teams up against most other States Championship team (10-0) and feel that 90% of the time the Texas team will win the game.

But, I have no doubt that teams like Evangel, West Monroe, Jenks, Tulsa Union, Springdale, Jacksonville Bolles, Independence N.C, and about 20 other High school programs from around the country can play with the Texas top #15.

[drgnbkr]

Thats tuff to say "F_BALL" because Smithson Valley was kicking your tail all over TEXAS STADIUM for about 2 and 1/2 quarters. Your quarterback was on his back for the first time all year, who's to say there aren't 5 other teams in TEXAS alone that could do the same!

The fact is probably 1/2 of the nations top 25 could beat you on any given day. Try playing Longview, Lufkin, and Tyler Lee in the same month, if you can beat all three then your statement might have some truth to it!

Thanx,

District 12-5A fan!

Wipe the foam off of your mouth & glance at the scoreboard...my God, settle down and take a breath...Smithson Valley is a good program but they are still 0 - forever versus Carroll....try mixing in a win before you go off like that again...

[Texasfrog]

Ohio must really suck and be backward in football then, because Colerain has run their option game effectively and with great success for many years now. Come to think of it, hasn't De La Salle had a pretty good option game going over in California for awhile now? You guys should ask for donations from all the Ohio programs that Colerain has given fits with their option game. REL will enlighten them all with the Texas secret sauce for option control.

I hope those poor lads in COlerain can just keep it close for a couple of quarters....




Football 101: Option football
by Bob Davie
Special to ESPN.com


Option offensive football can be the most difficult scheme to defend if it is run with high execution.

.......

Conclusion
Option offenses have many advantages over defenses. As we have mentioned, because there are so few running option football in Division 1-A, they have the advantage every week. It is difficult for defensive teams to prepare because they don't see it very often. Another point is the defensive coaches have a hard time getting a scout time prepared to run it against their defense in practice. Very few teams run option, as a result there are very few option quarterbacks to run it in scout squads in preparation.

Option football run at high level of execution is without a doubt the most difficult thing to defend in college football.

Concha your points are taken... The only thing I have to say is that if it was so GREAT why do so many college teams today run Spread offensives ? The Spread Offense and schemes similiar to it are what 90% of the college teams run today.

Nebraska was the cornerstone of the option offense for DECADES. They just had to stop running it because they couldnt keep up with the high scoring SPREAD Offensive teams.

[Texasfrog]

I watched Abilene High give SLC all they could handle right in their own backyard. Oh and Jarrod Carol put Daniel on his back a few times!

Abilene put a big scare into SLC. No doubt about it. Abilene was also very good last year. I saw the Abilene vs Mid. Lee game and Midland Lee had Abilene on the ropes and running for their lives. If Jamie McCoy doesnt twist his ankle Abilene probably loses that game.

PS. Jamie McCoy's 50 yard touchdown that got called back was also 100% a joke. That WR wasnt holding that Abilene DB. That touchdown would of sealed the deal for Midland Lee that night.

Last thing.. Jarrod Carol is a football player. He brings that old school mentallity to the game and I hope to see good things from him at ACU.

[ktchamp97]

Do you really believe they could have beaten every high school team in the nation last year.

I think that any 5A Champion in Texas is at least legitimately top 5 in the Nation.

I really believe they could have, yes. Whether they would have or not is a whole different story. That's why it's called a "mythical" national championship; there's just no way to really know. I do know they would have been very, very tough to beat. Abilene, Lufkin, and SV came very close, however, so it's not unrealistic to imagine that a top out-of-state school might have beaten them.

[relraiderfan]

Texasfrog,
You wont see any football out of Jerrod Carrol at ACU or any other college or university for that matter. He is an incredible athlete that has a love for baseball. Football was just for his spare time. ;) Last I heard he was going to Arkansas State to play baseball, if he didnt get drafted.

[Texasfrog]

Texasfrog,
You wont see any football out of Jerrod Carrol at ACU or any other college or university for that matter. He is an incredible athlete that has a love for baseball. Football was just for his spare time. ;) Last I heard he was going to Arkansas State to play baseball, if he didnt get drafted.

Really ??? I thought I saw where he signed a letter of intent to play football at ACU. Dang,, he was a very scrappy and aggressive football player. He had that non-stop motor and over-achiever attitude. Wow. I guess his one heck of a baseball player.

[ktchamp97]

Concha your points are taken... The only thing I have to say is that if it was so GREAT why do so many college teams today run Spread offensives ? The Spread Offense and schemes similiar to it are what 90% of the college teams run today.

Nebraska was the cornerstone of the option offense for DECADES. They just had to stop running it because they couldnt keep up with the high scoring SPREAD Offensive teams.

Actually, Texasfrog I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. Nebraska didn't stop running the option because they couldn't keep up with the scoring, they stopped running it because they were no longer able to bring in the same caliber of recuits. The only way, they felt, they could breathe new life back into the program was to change things up with a new coach and a new system. It was a change made to attract recruits...not because they couldn't win with the option. If they had still been recruiting well, they wouldn't have needed to change.

The option is not a basic offense. It takes many things going right for it to work. If run correctly, it is still a viable way to win games. The spread isn't the only way to win...it's just the latest craze.

[supercentex]

Actually, Texasfrog I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. Nebraska didn't stop running the option because they couldn't keep up with the scoring, they stopped running it because they were no longer able to bring in the same caliber of recuits. The only way, they felt, they could breathe new life back into the program was to change things up with a new coach and a new system. It was a change made to attract recruits...not because they couldn't win with the option. If they had still been recruiting well, they wouldn't have needed to change.

The option is not a basic offense. It takes many things going right for it to work. If run correctly, it is still a viable way to win games. The spread isn't the only way to win...it's just the latest craze.


I think that what really hurt Nebraska was the formation of the Big 12.........once they started losing some games...the recruits started getting tough to come by.

[Texasfrog]

There is an argument to be made both ways. Nebraska had the recruits. They've always had the blue-chips athletes on the team. Heck, they played in the National Title game in what ? 2002...

Yes, the formation of the Big-12 hurt Nebraska. But, Nebraska had the blue-chip players. Nebraska started losing to alot of teams that had less talented players. Just those teams beating Nebraska had wide open offensives.

We can sit here and add up all kinds of reasons why they changed their offense. But, their Option-offense couldnt keep up with teams that ran well-balanced spread offensives. That's why almost everyone except Air Force, Navy and Rice have stopped running those types of offensives. If you get behind by 10 or 14 pts it can and well cost you the game many times against Wide-open offenses that spread the field.

Plus, I'm not sure that the Spread offense is a craz. I think its here to stay for awhile. Teams can get alot of threats out on the field and it creats alot of space and mismatches on the field.


PS. Oklahoma, Nebraska and several other teams over the last decade have stopped running the Option attack to get more weapons out on the field and make defense's cover more than one threat.


I'm also not sure its about Talent.. I think right now if USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Miami, Ohio St and several other Top 10 caliber teams ran the option with their top level talent, they would lose to some wide-open offensive teams. Just my opinion.

Many of the top Pre-Season #25 for 2005.

#1 - USC
#2 - Texas
#3 - Michigan
#4- FLorida
#5- Oklahoma
#6- Tennessee
#7- Ohio State
#8- Florida St
#9- LSU
#10- Va Tech
#11-Louisiville
#12- Miami
#13- Purdue
#14- Georgia
#15-Iowa
Tx A&M, Auburn, Oregon, Pitt, BC, Tx Tech, Alabama, Fresno St, UCLA,Pennst....

Those are most of the experts top #25 preseason teams for this season. I dont think one of those teams there will run an option play more than 10 times all year. Almost everyone on of those teams run the "Spread offense" or a version of the "spread offense".

They have the blue-chip talent... they just want to keep up with everyone in the scoring department.

PS. The days of 10-7 & 14-10 scores are pretty much over. Todays average scores in bigtime football are more like 35-28, 28-21, 40-34 and ect. It very common to see Top #25 teams play each other and have scores like 28-25 as AVERAGE SCORES.

[Purple Haze]

Last I heard he was going to Arkansas State to play baseball, if he didnt get drafted.

Actually..it's the University of Arkansas that he signed to play baseball with. :cool:

[Mr_Clean]

I agree with the poster who mentioned Mission Viejo as one of the elite teams. Southlake Carroll, Colerain, and Mission Viejo appeared to be the cream of the crop last year and if the three played each other twice, then there would very likely be some splits.

From watching the three, I favored Colerain at number one.

I was impressed with Mission Viejo after watching them demolish a very good Long Beach Poly team.

And, of course, Southlake Carroll was the consensus top team in the country.

[RockinL]

I agree with the poster who mentioned Mission Viejo as one of the elite teams. Southlake Carroll, Colerain, and Mission Viejo appeared to be the cream of the crop last year and if the three played each other twice, then there would very likely be some splits.

From watching the three, I favored Colerain at number one.

I was impressed with Mission Viejo after watching them demolish a very good Long Beach Poly team.

And, of course, Southlake Carroll was the consensus top team in the country.
Clean...have you taken a look at the South Coast League that MV is in? Weak....very weak.
I used to live out there, and I walked away from many games shaking my head and disappointed.

[Texasfrog]

Clean...have you taken a look at the South Coast League that MV is in? Weak....very weak.
I used to live out there, and I walked away from many games shaking my head and disappointed.

I used to live out there also (San Clemente, Ca) for 4 years. Went to about 15 High school games over the years there. I would say that most of the teams I saw play.

I would put an average (5-5) or (6-4) Texas 3A team up against 90% of the Southern California teams and feel pretty good that the Texas 3A team would beat them.

Its even worse up in Northern Cal. De La Salle might have a 100 plus game win streak. But, for 95% of the schedule they played against (Texas 3A & 2A) caliber teams.

Heck, last year Wylie, Tx beat San Diego Mira Mesa like 28-10. Wylie is a Texas 4A team and San Diego Mira Mesa would large Texas 5A team. Both teams made the "playoffs" in their respective State.

Wylie kept SD Mira Mesa to 6 yds of total offense at halftime ,,and SD Mira Mesa scored 10 pts late in the game (last 5 minutes) against Wylie 2nd and 3rd string players. Wylie could of beat them by 50 pts if they wanted to ...

The High school competition level in Texas compared to California is "NIGHT compared to DAY."

[RockinL]

I used to live out there also (San Clemente, Ca) for 4 years. Went to about 15 High school games over the years there. I would say that most of the teams I saw play.

I would put an average (5-5) or (6-4) Texas 3A team up against 90% of the Southern California teams and feel pretty good that the Texas 3A team would beat them.

Its even worse up in Northern Cal. De La Salle might have a 100 plus game win streak. But, for 95% of the schedule they played against (Texas 3A & 2A) caliber teams.

Heck, last year Wylie, Tx beat San Diego Mira Mesa like 28-10. Wylie is a Texas 4A team and San Diego Mira Mesa would large Texas 5A team. Both teams made the "playoffs" in their respective State.

Wylie kept SD Mira Mesa to 6 yds of total offense at halftime ,,and SD Mira Mesa scored 10 pts late in the game (last 5 minutes) against Wylie 2nd and 3rd string players. Wylie could of beat them by 50 pts if they wanted to ...

The High school competition level in Texas compared to California is "NIGHT compared to DAY."

I lived in Oceanside, El Toro and Cypress.
My x wifes nephews all played for Los Alomitos in those days...80's...90's.
MV is a good team for the caliber of comp they play. But with open enrollment out there...Johnson and Johnson usually garner some of the best talent in the area.
The overall level in SoCa. is a long way from other areas Ive seen ball in.
I agree...most of the teams I watched while out there were on the level of alot of 3A teams. A few good 4A's maybe...but very few.

[Texasfrog]

RockinL... do I sense a little "Sempre Fi" in you ?? Just wondering.. :)

[concha]

I would agree that the average team in SoCal probably is not up there with what you would find in East Texas. But there is a solid concentration of talent there (the recruiting stats show this clearly) and a number of very solid programs (Poly, MD, MV...the Serra or is it Angeles League...and many others). Especially when it comes to tourney time, SoCal is very respectable.

[Texasfrog]

The average So.Cal team wouldnt be as good as most Texas 3A teams. Not just East Tx ,,,, but (Texas 3A teams).

Wyle,Tx (4A) smoking San Diego Mira Mesa even proved that more so. Sometimes I can look at a score like 28-10 and you can see how the game was pretty close ( yardage, 1st downs, ect). But, Wylie completely dominated SD Mira Mesa "DOMINATED". The only time SD Mira Mesa even started to move the football was late in the 4th quarter against Wylie's backups. Wylie could of beaten SD Mira Mesa 50-0 if they wanted to.

That's just one example.

Tulsa Union played Clovis East or West twice in like 2000 and 2001. Both times Tulsa Union destroyed Clovis like 50-10. Both times...

The competition level in California is Weak. I'm just going to go ahead and say it. They have some athletes "no doubt." Heck, they have like 36 million people in California.

Like I've stated before.. its not those D-1A or D-1AA players on High school teams that make the biggest difference. Its how many good ole "AVERAGE" players you have..

The Texas "AVERGE PLAYER" is alot better then the California "AVERAGE PLAYER". It not even close.

[RockinL]

RockinL... do I sense a little "Sempre Fi" in you ?? Just wondering.. :)
Ohhh-Rah!!

8 years worth to be exact.

As you probably know..."Old Marines never die...they just go to hell and regroup!"

[RockinL]

I would agree that the average team in SoCal probably is not up there with what you would find in East Texas. But there is a solid concentration of talent there (the recruiting stats show this clearly) and a number of very solid programs (Poly, MD, MV...the Serra or is it Angeles League...and many others). Especially when it comes to tourney time, SoCal is very respectable.

There are alot of talented super athletes in Ca (hence USC's recruiting bonanza).....mainly SoCal.....but I think you would find that the "talented football player-to school ratio" is probably lower than in some other states.
Also, the teams that you mention are all pretty well known as "football player magnet schools", not to mention they are also academically sound schools. Outside of the ones you mentioned (I'd add Hart and Los Al to that list), the list drops off rapidly. Not many for an area with a population greater than most states.


I remember seeing some HS boys playing Water Polo (a big HS sport out there), and they were all ripped and cut and in exellent shape. Anyone who thinks that Water Polo is for girly boys...needs to try it first. If you aint in shape, it aint for you.

One factor I know when I lived there, was that Southern Ca. has the best weather in this country, which lends itself to many, many other activities for kids besides just football. I mean....you've got mountains to the east and the beaches to the west and everything else in between. All within an hour of each other.

[Mr_Clean]

I agree with you guys about the general comparison between California and Texas, and Mission Viejo was NOT a spectacular team to watch....Moline's bullish running, a group of sure-handed receivers, and Sanchez, who made things look too easy, but I think that MV was a heckuva team. Long Beach Poly had a nice team last year and MV just blew them out of the water. If that game didn't take place, then I'd be very skeptical of MV.

[Texasfrog]

Ohhh-Rah!!

8 years worth to be exact.

As you probably know..."Old Marines never die...they just go to hell and regroup!"

Right there with you buddy. 4 years with the, 1st MarDiv at Camp Horno and two tours to Okinawa (camp Hansen and Swamb). Spent some nights in Kinville (Sinville) and stomping around NTA & CTA.. I was a "Devil Doc."

[BIGrNtx12]

My reaction to all of this----- Who cares?
They were a good team last year, yeah, lets move on and see this season.

[RockinL]

I agree with you guys about the general comparison between California and Texas, and Mission Viejo was NOT a spectacular team to watch....Moline's bullish running, a group of sure-handed receivers, and Sanchez, who made things look too easy, but I think that MV was a heckuva team. Long Beach Poly had a nice team last year and MV just blew them out of the water. If that game didn't take place, then I'd be very skeptical of MV.
I agree that Moline was a brusier...but if we are comparing, I really think that a defense on the caliber of Lufkin, or Longview, would have punished him pretty bad. Ive seen them do it to RB's just as tough (not to mention faster) than Moline.
The one thing that stands out in my mind about the SoCal teams that I saw, vs. the teams around here, was they didnt seem to be anywhere near as physical as these kids. It didnt seem to be the same type of tough, agressive style of play that I was used to seeing. It just seems like a different level altogether.
Ive seen many LB's and DB's all over this area (including that kid from Evangel...Kreamer) that would just rip your head off.


What I do agree with though is...Sanchez was in a league of his own.

[Mr_Clean]

Ive seen many LB's and DB's all over this area (including that kid from Evangel...Kreamer) that would just rip your head off.

LB Matt Kreamer made the game-saving tackle in the 5A state title game, stopping the WM fullback on the two-point conversion try that would have won the game for WM. Matt had hopes of going to Vanderbilt, but they never offered. :mad: Instead, he's at McNeese.

Dan will be a senior this fall. He has offers from Tulsa and Mississippi St. (and someone else). I had the chance to interview both of them at the Evangel scrimmage. Very nice young men...very mean on the field, though.

[Mr_Clean]

What I do agree with though is...Sanchez was in a league of his own.

I fully expect to see Mr. Sanchez's performance at the college level far exceed that of Ryan Perrilloux.

[drgnbkr]

At last summers Elite 11 camp, Sanchez was head & shoulders above the rest.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Any one of the Top 5 teams in texas could put up a fight against the the top 5 in the nation. Texas has a traditon of fight hard to the finish of games...even lesser teams like *cough* coppell and E.Trinty would put up a fight...okay maybe i went to far with the Coppell Comment but you get the Idea