This makes me glad I'm from Texas.

[whatabeast]

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/blog/display.asp?p=168

These are some changes supposedly being discussed in Louisiana. Some interesting ideas being discussed, the biggest being no districts for football and using power rankings to select playoff teams. After reading this it makes me almost thankful for the UIL and the system we have hear in Texas, cause our system is a heck of a lot better than Louisiana's.

[drgnbkr]

It seems with the mix of private and public schools, the only way to fairly sort them out at the end of the season is with some sort of a power ranking. I mean with Curtis and Evangel able to recruit and the others playing with what they got...what else can you do?

[15Adragon]

It seems with the mix of private and public schools, the only way to fairly sort them out at the end of the season is with some sort of a power ranking. I mean with Curtis and Evangel able to recruit and the others playing with what they got...what else can you do?

Do like my wife. Move to Texas! :eek::D:cool:

[Pinion]

It seems with the mix of private and public schools, the only way to fairly sort them out at the end of the season is with some sort of a power ranking. I mean with Curtis and Evangel able to recruit and the others playing with what they got...what else can you do?

Neither school recruits. No private school in the LHSAA does. And by that, I mean none of them recruit anymore than what the public schools do. Not any more than what SLC does.

It seems as though back during the season when the Florida private schools were being discussed here that people kept tossing in that Louisiana private schools recruit. They dont. It's against the rules and they dont do it. They're heavily examined over there because the publics are always raising such a stink about it. Little if anything is ever found to be wrong. In fact, more often than not, it's the public schools that are breaking the rules.

Also, they already use a form of power ratings system over there. And generally it sucks IMO. But it's about as good as what it was. As long as they make private schools play in their classification there will be issues. In most states where privates and publics play together the privates are "penalized" and made to play up in classification. The larger schools in Louisiana made a stink about it because they couldnt beat ECA and Curtis (but once in a blue moon) and there are more of them (larger schools) and smaller schools. So they forced the privates to play in whatever classification their enrollment dictated.

The whole thing over there is screwed up IMO and I've been saying for years that the privates should leave the LHSAA and form their own league and play amongst themselves. Most of the good football in Louisiana is played by privates anyway, save a handful of publics.

[oldmojo94]

Neither school recruits. No private school in the LHSAA does. And by that, I mean none of them recruit anymore than what the public schools do. Not any more than what SLC does.

It seems as though back during the season when the Florida private schools were being discussed here that people kept tossing in that Louisiana private schools recruit. They dont. It's against the rules and they dont do it. They're heavily examined over there because the publics are always raising such a stink about it. Little if anything is ever found to be wrong. In fact, more often than not, it's the public schools that are breaking the rules.

Also, they already use a form of power ratings system over there. And generally it sucks IMO. But it's about as good as what it was. As long as they make private schools play in their classification there will be issues. In most states where privates and publics play together the privates are "penalized" and made to play up in classification. The larger schools in Louisiana made a stink about it because they couldnt beat ECA and Curtis (but once in a blue moon) and there are more of them (larger schools) and smaller schools. So they forced the privates to play in whatever classification their enrollment dictated.

The whole thing over there is screwed up IMO and I've been saying for years that the privates should leave the LHSAA and form their own league and play amongst themselves. Most of the good football in Louisiana is played by privates anyway, save a handful of publics.
oh hell pinion.......you have just stepped on the ultra-owed carroll peoples toes. they gonna cry for weeks on that one:D

[SLC]

Neither school recruits. No private school in the LHSAA does. And by that, I mean none of them recruit anymore than what the public schools do. Not any more than what SLC does.

It seems as though back during the season when the Florida private schools were being discussed here that people kept tossing in that Louisiana private schools recruit. They dont. It's against the rules and they dont do it. They're heavily examined over there because the publics are always raising such a stink about it. Little if anything is ever found to be wrong. In fact, more often than not, it's the public schools that are breaking the rules.

Also, they already use a form of power ratings system over there. And generally it sucks IMO. But it's about as good as what it was. As long as they make private schools play in their classification there will be issues. In most states where privates and publics play together the privates are "penalized" and made to play up in classification. The larger schools in Louisiana made a stink about it because they couldnt beat ECA and Curtis (but once in a blue moon) and there are more of them (larger schools) and smaller schools. So they forced the privates to play in whatever classification their enrollment dictated.

The whole thing over there is screwed up IMO and I've been saying for years that the privates should leave the LHSAA and form their own league and play amongst themselves. Most of the good football in Louisiana is played by privates anyway, save a handful of publics.

Right..So basically y'all recruit.

[Pinion]

Right..So basically y'all recruit.

No. We dont have to. We, meaning SLC or ECA. People come to us, in both cases.

[LoboFan07]

and using power rankings to select playoff teams

They've been using some type of selection committee for as long as I can remember now.

Despite how many complain about it, Texas has one of the best playoffs systems for High School Football in the country.

[15Adragon]

They've been using some type of selection committee for as long as I can remember now.

Despite how many complain about it, Texas has one of the best playoffs systems for High School Football in the country.

this.

[wesaxman34]

The name of the website alone makes me glad I'm from Texas.

[Magellan]

Power-rankings, eh? BcS here you come, Louisiana! Of course, they can do that with a state where nothing's more than about a 6 hour drive. If they did that in Texas, you'd have someone making a 12-hour first-round trip. Wait, that's what Districts 1 and 2 have anyway!!!

Of course, LSU hasn't been messed over by the BcS yet, so maybe they think it'll all work out in the end.

[SLC93]

Neither school recruits. No private school in the LHSAA does. And by that, I mean none of them recruit anymore than what the public schools do. Not any more than what SLC does.

It seems as though back during the season when the Florida private schools were being discussed here that people kept tossing in that Louisiana private schools recruit. They dont. It's against the rules and they dont do it. They're heavily examined over there because the publics are always raising such a stink about it. Little if anything is ever found to be wrong. In fact, more often than not, it's the public schools that are breaking the rules.

Also, they already use a form of power ratings system over there. And generally it sucks IMO. But it's about as good as what it was. As long as they make private schools play in their classification there will be issues. In most states where privates and publics play together the privates are "penalized" and made to play up in classification. The larger schools in Louisiana made a stink about it because they couldnt beat ECA and Curtis (but once in a blue moon) and there are more of them (larger schools) and smaller schools. So they forced the privates to play in whatever classification their enrollment dictated.

The whole thing over there is screwed up IMO and I've been saying for years that the privates should leave the LHSAA and form their own league and play amongst themselves. Most of the good football in Louisiana is played by privates anyway, save a handful of publics.


While I may or may not agree with your recruiting message, you cannot argue it's a fair assumption for folks to make. Curtis has well over 20 state titles since their inception. Thats staggering considering we're not talking about Vermont. La is dripping in talent but this little private dominates? Until recently they were winning those titles against the big boys. Now they're forced to play down in class. Where there is that kind of smoke, there is usually a little fire. My roommate my frshman year of college was a Curtis graduate. He had some good stories.

[SLC93]

They've been using some type of selection committee for as long as I can remember now.

Despite how many complain about it, Texas has one of the best playoffs systems for High School Football in the country.

I agree. I like our 16 game format more than Florida's 15 but I like their class system over ours. 1 champ per class, a 6A division and B classes allow for every level to be appropriately represented and one winner, period.

[SLC93]

The great state of Ohio uses seeds and computer rankings, too. :rolleyes: Hurray poisonous nuts!;)

[Magellan]

The great state of Ohio uses seeds and computer rankings, too. :rolleyes: Hurray poisonous nuts!;)

Another state where the drive from city to city isn't killer. One reason we have set playoff schedules is because, unless you're inside the Bermuda Triangle of the I-35/I-10/I-45 corridor, you have a lot of long drives for the playoffs.

[PirateParent2011]

Another state where the drive from city to city isn't killer. One reason we have set playoff schedules is because, unless you're inside the Bermuda Triangle of the I-35/I-10/I-45 corridor, you have a lot of long drives for the playoffs.

Indeed...but I gotta tell ya, that drive to Houston last year was well worth it! The drive home on the other hand...:(

[Magellan]

Indeed...but I gotta tell ya, that drive to Houston last year was well worth it! The drive home on the other hand...:(

Keep in mind that ~240 schools in Texas wish they would have made that painful drive up I-45 after making the title game and losing. And it would have felt even longer if traffic had been as bad as it was getting into town with the Allen fans bringing I-45 to a stand-still for about 15 miles (from New Waverly to Conroe).

On the upside, I was flattered when the girls in the Allen Band were writing marriage proposals on paper and holding them up to the window of their buses. Maybe they mistook me for a Jonas Brother. That must be it.

Back on topic, though... our system may have the issue of having 2 stellar teams stuck playing each other in an early round, it's rare that our Final Four in either classification can be sneezed at.

[Mojobro]

Neither school recruits. No private school in the LHSAA does.

Yes they do.

[Pinion]

While I may or may not agree with your recruiting message, you cannot argue it's a fair assumption for folks to make. Curtis has well over 20 state titles since their inception. Thats staggering considering we're not talking about Vermont. La is dripping in talent but this little private dominates? Until recently they were winning those titles against the big boys. Now they're forced to play down in class. Where there is that kind of smoke, there is usually a little fire. My roommate my frshman year of college was a Curtis graduate. He had some good stories.


Curtis played in 4A until they were forced down to 2A. They wouldnt play up to 5A, for some reason. I have my opinions as to why that is, but that's neither here nor there.
They do field a great team every year.

Part of the problem with Louisiana football is that most of the schools have sub-par coaching/staff/facilities/money.

I get what you mean about smoke/fire. But at the same time, I just dont buy it. Mainly because the privates are viewed with a magnifying glass. Everything they do is examined and examined again. Because so many people are constantly tossing the "recruiting" accusations out there.
People want to be able to blame the publics for sucking on something other than reality. And that reality is usually crappy coaching. And really there are a host of other problems that plague most publics there.
There are some attendance things that are ok in Louisiana that would not fly in Texas though. But I'd have to say by and large the privates are following the rules that the LHSAA puts out there.

[Pinion]

Yes they do.

If you have proof of this, please get in touch with the LHSAA about it. Otherwise please go diaf and quit talking about stuff when you dont know the facts.
Good day.

[Magellan]

If you have proof of this, please get in touch with the LHSAA about it. Otherwise please go diaf and quit talking about stuff when you dont know the facts.
Good day.

I have cousins who went to HS in New Orleans in the 90's who were recruited for music and baseball. If they do it for non-money sports, I can guarantee they did it for football. There's no reason to report stuff from the 90's. They're not going to penalize a school for stuff from a decade ago.

And honestly, I thought "It's Louisiana. Everyone knows everyone is doing it."

[SLC93]

Curtis played in 4A until they were forced down to 2A. They wouldnt play up to 5A, for some reason. I have my opinions as to why that is, but that's neither here nor there.
They do field a great team every year.

Part of the problem with Louisiana football is that most of the schools have sub-par coaching/staff/facilities/money.

I get what you mean about smoke/fire. But at the same time, I just dont buy it. Mainly because the privates are viewed with a magnifying glass. Everything they do is examined and examined again. Because so many people are constantly tossing the "recruiting" accusations out there.
People want to be able to blame the publics for sucking on something other than reality. And that reality is usually crappy coaching. And really there are a host of other problems that plague most publics there.
There are some attendance things that are ok in Louisiana that would not fly in Texas though. But I'd have to say by and large the privates are following the rules that the LHSAA puts out there.

I don't think it's ever been what I would deem as rampant, especially with JC & EC. You touch on a real good point, though, Facilities, funding and coaching make their greatest impact at the hs level. Most years public school budgets are dicey, at best, in a large portion of La.

[dragonpants]

Curtis played in 4A until they were forced down to 2A. They wouldnt play up to 5A, for some reason. I have my opinions as to why that is, but that's neither here nor there.
They do field a great team every year.

Part of the problem with Louisiana football is that most of the schools have sub-par coaching/staff/facilities/money.

I get what you mean about smoke/fire. But at the same time, I just dont buy it. Mainly because the privates are viewed with a magnifying glass. Everything they do is examined and examined again. Because so many people are constantly tossing the "recruiting" accusations out there.
People want to be able to blame the publics for sucking on something other than reality. And that reality is usually crappy coaching. And really there are a host of other problems that plague most publics there.
There are some attendance things that are ok in Louisiana that would not fly in Texas though. But I'd have to say by and large the privates are following the rules that the LHSAA puts out there.

Easy solution to that just do what we do in Texas and have a Robin Hood system and make Mandeville pay for everyone else. :D

[Pinion]

I include Curtis in the "they dont recruit" stuff because I dont think they do. But I have no ties to the school, so I can't really say that with certainty.

I do have very close ties to ECA and I'm fully prepared to call anyone that says they recruit a liar to their face. I know for a fact that it doesnt happen there.

I just wanted to put that out there.


Make Mandeville pay for everyone else? lol. May as well. But really, the education system as a whole in Louisiana is just not where it needs to be. I think most of the people in Louisiana know it. But when you're dealing with one of the poorest states in the union, what do you do?

I talk about this stuff all the time. It's frustrating to see "back home" in such shambles. I'm glad I live in Texas now. And if next years little Pinion is living here with me, I'm sure I'll be even more glad to be here than in Louisiana.

[SLC]

I include Curtis in the "they dont recruit" stuff because I dont think they do. But I have no ties to the school, so I can't really say that with certainty.

I do have very close ties to ECA and I'm fully prepared to call anyone that says they recruit a liar to their face. I know for a fact that it doesnt happen there.

I just wanted to put that out there.


Make Mandeville pay for everyone else? lol. May as well. But really, the education system as a whole in Louisiana is just not where it needs to be. I think most of the people in Louisiana know it. But when you're dealing with one of the poorest states in the union, what do you do?

I talk about this stuff all the time. It's frustrating to see "back home" in such shambles. I'm glad I live in Texas now. And if next years little Pinion is living here with me, I'm sure I'll be even more glad to be here than in Louisiana.



Hey...my bad brother..I left the orginal comment as a joke..You know I dont really think they recruit..I was just goofing...and then I come back to the thread and everyone is caping on ya...And even some who should know what its like to support a school who has been accused of recruiting...I know the Katy folks have put up with it.

Anyways..sorry man.

And I will be attending a game or two with you next season, just as I said I would.

[Pinion]

Hey...my bad brother..I left the orginal comment as a joke..You know I dont really think they recruit..I was just goofing...and then I come back to the thread and everyone is caping on ya...And even some who should know what its like to support a school who has been accused of recruiting...I know the Katy folks have put up with it.

Anyways..sorry man.

And I will be attending a game or two with you next season, just as I said I would.

It's all good dood. I knew you were yanking my chain.

Ya, it'll be good to catch some games again this coming season. Ima for sure make it to 2 regular season SLC games. No doubt about that, unless something happens at work and I have to be outta town or something stupid like that. But normally they save that stuff for during the winter. I just gotta wait till the Dragon schedule comes out so I can take those whole weekends off.

[SLC]

It's all good dood. I knew you were yanking my chain.

Ya, it'll be good to catch some games again this coming season. Ima for sure make it to 2 regular season SLC games. No doubt about that, unless something happens at work and I have to be outta town or something stupid like that. But normally they save that stuff for during the winter. I just gotta wait till the Dragon schedule comes out so I can take those whole weekends off.


Cool...Well I am planning on making a few ECA games with you...So we need to compare schedules and make a plan...It'll be awesome..Cant wait.

[AE 8008]

well tapps doesnt recruit:rolleyes:

[Mong Hu]

I include Curtis in the "they dont recruit" stuff because I dont think they do. But I have no ties to the school, so I can't really say that with certainty.

I do have very close ties to ECA and I'm fully prepared to call anyone that says they recruit a liar to their face. I know for a fact that it doesnt happen there.

I just wanted to put that out there.


Make Mandeville pay for everyone else? lol. May as well. But really, the education system as a whole in Louisiana is just not where it needs to be. I think most of the people in Louisiana know it. But when you're dealing with one of the poorest states in the union, what do you do?

I talk about this stuff all the time. It's frustrating to see "back home" in such shambles. I'm glad I live in Texas now. And if next years little Pinion is living here with me, I'm sure I'll be even more glad to be here than in Louisiana.


I don't know that private schools have to recruit in order to have an unfair advantage. I think that people believe they recruit because they often draw the best talent from a very wide area. I am not sure how it is in Texas or LA for that matter but around where I am currently from private schools are aloud to draw from an area with a sixty mile radius for athletic purposes. Much of the best talent from my town and from several towns near were I am from goes to a couple of private Catholic Schools. I know people who work on or have worked on those staffs and they swear they do not recruit and I believe them but I have also seen DI offensive lineman and DI quarter backs leave good public programs with very good coaching staffs to go to the private programs because they would be playing on a team that was stacked with talent as well as a good coaching staff. The players and the players parents see this as giving them a better chance for success both at the high-school level and beyond. Whether or not John Curtis recruits is not relevant in my mind, I believe they still have an unfair advantage over the schools with which they compete.

[Pinion]

I don't know that private schools have to recruit in order to have an unfair advantage. I think that people believe they recruit because they often draw the best talent from a very wide area. I am not sure how it is in Texas or LA for that matter but around where I am currently from private schools are aloud to draw from an area with a sixty mile radius for athletic purposes. Much of the best talent from my town and from several towns near were I am from goes to a couple of private Catholic Schools. I know people who work on or have worked on those staffs and they swear they do not recruit and I believe them but I have also seen DI offensive lineman and DI quarter backs leave good public programs with very good coaching staffs to go to the private programs because they would be playing on a team that was stacked with talent as well as a good coaching staff. The players and the players parents see this as giving them a better chance for success both at the high-school level and beyond. Whether or not John Curtis recruits is not relevant in my mind, I believe they still have an unfair advantage over the schools with which they compete.


Unfair advantage? What makes it unfair? The only thing that stopping the public schools from having the same advantages is the public itself.
Here in Texas it doesnt seem to be so much of an issue. If my son was living with me and was into sports, I would encourage him to go to a public school here. If I were in Louisiana, he'd be at a private (ECA in my case). Not just for the sports stuff but because I know the education he'd get would be better.

I get what you're saying. But I dont understand why the privates should have to "dumb down" or "play down" instead of the publics striving to be better. Like I said, here in Texas that doesnt seem to be so much of a problem. The public schools here are (from what I can tell) pretty much stellar in most cases. I wish we'd have had public schools of Texas calibre in Louisiana when I was coming up. I'd have much rather gone to a public school with all my friends from the neighborhood.

So, yes. I do agree it's unfair. But I dont agree that it's the privates fault for that. I think it's the publics fault for not raising their standards.

[Mong Hu]

Unfair advantage? What makes it unfair? The only thing that stopping the public schools from having the same advantages is the public itself.
Here in Texas it doesnt seem to be so much of an issue. If my son was living with me and was into sports, I would encourage him to go to a public school here. If I were in Louisiana, he'd be at a private (ECA in my case). Not just for the sports stuff but because I know the education he'd get would be better.

I get what you're saying. But I dont understand why the privates should have to "dumb down" or "play down" instead of the publics striving to be better. Like I said, here in Texas that doesnt seem to be so much of a problem. The public schools here are (from what I can tell) pretty much stellar in most cases. I wish we'd have had public schools of Texas calibre in Louisiana when I was coming up. I'd have much rather gone to a public school with all my friends from the neighborhood.

So, yes. I do agree it's unfair. But I dont agree that it's the privates fault for that. I think it's the publics fault for not raising their standards.

I know where you are coming from first hand. Before moving to Katy during my seventh grade year my family lived in Slidell. My parents yanked me out of public schools and put me into private school. You are 100% correct in your statement that the public in LA needs to raise the standard.

The only thing I would say about the fairness is that privates can draw from a larger geographic area and attract the best athletes from that area. Again I say attract not meaning to insinuate that they recruit but simply by reputation they will attract those better athletes if they choose to develop their athletic programs. If the state decreases the size of the geographic region from which they can draw it becomes a more even playing field the question becomes what size makes it fair? I think that the sixty mile radius that my state uses is too large. I am not sure how the rules work in LA or Texas in that regard.

I did not mean to insinuate that it was the private schools fault but I do think that the state regulatory agency has a responsibility to try and make the rules fair and in many cases I don't think they do that with public and private schools. I really think you need a Championship for private and another for public because the two systems really work under very different rules in my experience. But again my experience is as a coach in a different state.

[Pinion]

I know where you are coming from first hand. Before moving to Katy during my seventh grade year my family lived in Slidell. My parents yanked me out of public schools and put me into private school. You are 100% correct in your statement that the public in LA needs to raise the standard.

The only thing I would say about the fairness is that privates can draw from a larger geographic area and attract the best athletes from that area. Again I say attract not meaning to insinuate that they recruit but simply by reputation they will attract those better athletes if they choose to develop their athletic programs. If the state decreases the size of the geographic region from which they can draw it becomes a more even playing field the question becomes what size makes it fair? I think that the sixty mile radius that my state uses is too large. I am not sure how the rules work in LA or Texas in that regard.

I did not mean to insinuate that it was the private schools fault but I do think that the state regulatory agency has a responsibility to try and make the rules fair and in many cases I don't think they do that with public and private schools. I really think you need a Championship for private and another for public because the two systems really work under very different rules in my experience. But again my experience is as a coach in a different state.



As far as drawing kids from wherever, yeah. I guess you could consider that an advantage. But like in Caddo Parish, if a students grades are good enough, he/she can pretty much attend any school in the parish he/she wants to. And with most public schools having "magnet" status now, kids can move around and go where they want.
But I do get what you mean. One of the rules they have in Louisiana is that if a kid transfers to a private from a public they cannot participate in sports for one calendar year. When I came from a public to ECA I was not allowed to play football because I didnt reside in ECA's attendance zone. Their attendance zone is the same as the neighborhood public 5A. Basically 1.5 zipcodes. Kids can move from private school to private school and not have to sit out though (as far as I know).

As for a public league and a private league.. You will not find a bigger advocate for that than me. (ok, you prolly could. but I am all for it) I'd rather the privates all get together and league up and leave the publics to lie in thier own filth. I think there would be a pretty big exodus of kids from public to privates if such a split were to occur. And I think the LHSAA (la's UIL) know this and that's why they wont push for something of that nature.

[Mojobro]

If you have proof of this, please get in touch with the LHSAA about it. Otherwise please go diaf and quit talking about stuff when you dont know the facts.
Good day.

My coworker's son got recruited away from O. Perry Walker. John Curtis contacted him and offered a scholarship if he would play football. I'm not contacting the LHSAA because I could care less. It's Louisiana, let's just turn our heads the other way:rolleyes:

[Mojobro]

I include Curtis in the "they dont recruit" stuff because I dont think they do. But I have no ties to the school, so I can't really say that with certainty.

:Music

[BuckeyeDave]

They've been using some type of selection committee for as long as I can remember now.

Despite how many complain about it, Texas has one of the best playoffs systems for High School Football in the country.

And for all other sports, too. In Ohio, other than in football everyone makes the postseason. Texas' system rewards success and makes for great competition.

[E-Vol-ution]

I'd like to see a seeding system implemented if they continue with four team eligibility though. And for all other sports, too. In Ohio, other than in football everyone makes the postseason. Texas' system rewards success and makes for great competition.

[SLC]

And for all other sports, too. In Ohio, other than in football everyone makes the postseason. Texas' system rewards success and makes for great competition.



Texas fails by taking 4 teams from each district though. It needs to be 2 and 1 title and thats it.