Which defense has played southlake the best?

[Plano East Player]

Out of all the defenses southlake carrol has seen this year, which defense (and defensive coordinator) did the best job of slowing down the carroll offensive juggernaut?

[toonman]

The Dragons lowest points scored of the season are as follows :-

28 vs Grapevine
31 vs Plano East
38 vs Plano

I would say Grapevine or Plano, but at the end of the day neither could really contain the SLC Offense.

[Plano East Player]

yea i agree no1 has really contained or shut down the slc offense but to make a point for plano east. plano and grapevine had explosive offenses that produced points. the panther offense really struggled this year and southlake had only scored 17 points until the fourth quarter. they were forced to punt 7 times in the firs thalf alone.

[BAMF cowboy]

as a defensive coordinator you have to accept that you wont stop the dragons from scoring. you just need to make them work for it. dont give up the big play, make them develop long drives picking up small yardage at a time. also you're gonna need to get some turnovers. you gotta master the bend dont break defense as much as possible, but accept that its gonna break at times. you also gotta have an offense that can put points on the board. you cant shutdown slc, you gotta outscore em

[Plano East Player]

yea i agree and im not questioning whether there offense can be shutdown or not becasue its obvious it cant be hence the undefeated record. i think grapevine got a bit of help b.c slc wasnt very focused and allowed them to stay in the game. i think that the two plano teams they faced thsi year have played them the toughest on defense not by personal bias just on the facts and statistics.

[drgnbkr]

yea i agree and im not questioning whether there offense can be shutdown or not becasue its obvious it cant be hence the undefeated record. i think grapevine got a bit of help b.c slc wasnt very focused and allowed them to stay in the game. i think that the two plano teams they faced thsi year have played them the toughest on defense not by personal bias just on the facts and statistics.

I would agree that PESH had one of the better defenses I saw, but sadly, one of the worst offenses...

[Plano East Player]

yea unfortunantly i agree also, at times the offense clicked but it struggled mostly all year, something was missing cause east has athletes to run the spread, props to slc defense they have really stepped it up.

[slcdragons]

I was most impressed with Plano's d. They didn't put much pressure on GM, but their team speed in the secondary was solid. They put their secondary people in good position to make plays. When SLC went for two to cut the lead to 27-24, the pass to ( I think it was to McKay J.) on the backside out, the db from Plano almost made a play on that ball. He closed on that ball extremely well. But its back to the pick your poison theorum, do you wanna get beat by the air or ground. Cause by dropping 8 into coverage, you saw what Trey did. Many coaches think, don't get beat by the opposition's best player. The best player(s) on the SLC O are the wideouts, that was maybe the Plano's coach strategy

[Plano East Player]

plano's coaches used the same strategy as east did, disguise the coverages and try and confuse the offense, as u can see it didnt work to perfection but at times it confused GM resulting in the picks. Tre did have an outstanding game and he is going to be something special, hes still a little raw but hey for a sophmore hes pretty good. the one east had success against slc is they only used 3 down lineman and got great pressure and i think 4 sacks, and the running game was minimal. but like many other games it is extremely tough to cover all the recievers and jacobson hurt us across the middle, where we had a sophmore starting his first game. i think lufkin will be the fastest secondary slc has seen in a while.

[BAMF cowboy]

plano's coaches used the same strategy as east did, disguise the coverages and try and confuse the offense, as u can see it didnt work to perfection but at times it confused GM resulting in the picks. Tre did have an outstanding game and he is going to be something special, hes still a little raw but hey for a sophmore hes pretty good. the one east had success against slc is they only used 3 down lineman and got great pressure and i think 4 sacks, and the running game was minimal. but like many other games it is extremely tough to cover all the recievers and jacobson hurt us across the middle, where we had a sophmore starting his first game. i think lufkin will be the fastest secondary slc has seen in a while.

i was very impressed with tre in this game. sure he wasnt very finesse or anything, or didnt break an 80 yd td run, but in a huge game like saturday, he picked up very tough yards in key situations, and most impresively for a sophmore in a big game...he didn't fumble (barring the option)

[drgnbkr]

plano's coaches used the same strategy as east did, disguise the coverages and try and confuse the offense, as u can see it didnt work to perfection but at times it confused GM resulting in the picks. Tre did have an outstanding game and he is going to be something special, hes still a little raw but hey for a sophmore hes pretty good. the one east had success against slc is they only used 3 down lineman and got great pressure and i think 4 sacks, and the running game was minimal. but like many other games it is extremely tough to cover all the recievers and jacobson hurt us across the middle, where we had a sophmore starting his first game. i think lufkin will be the fastest secondary slc has seen in a while.

That was Carrolls third game I think..Tre was truly a sophomore then & was rotating with Moorefield..he is'nt a sophomore any more...

[Plano East Player]

yea tre had an outstanding game, i would have expected the plano front seven to have played better than that agaisnt the run considering how they did all year especially when it was obvious that slc was going to grind it out. do you think he will be better than luna?

[Red Raiders]

Plano the most and they are truly a great team too.

[SLC13]

yea i agree no1 has really contained or shut down the slc offense but to make a point for plano east. plano and grapevine had explosive offenses that produced points. the panther offense really struggled this year and southlake had only scored 17 points until the fourth quarter. they were forced to punt 7 times in the firs thalf alone.
PESH did the best job of the three because they didn't get a bunch of TO's from the Dragons. Both Plano and Grapevine benefitted greatly from multiple TO's that setup points for them and kept those games closer than they would have been otherwise.

[Plano East Player]

plus pesh had zero help from the offense, 3 and out isnt very inspiring. and 14 of there 31 points came off turnovers deep in east territory

[dragons08]

PESH did the best job of the three because they didn't get a bunch of TO's from the Dragons. Both Plano and Grapevine benefitted greatly from multiple TO's that setup points for them and kept those games closer than they would have been otherwise.
exactly! even though 31 points is a blow out, when compared to the slc offense average, thats a blessing, and to do it with a few, if any TO's, is amazing

[BAMF cowboy]

exactly! even though 31 points is a blow out, when compared to the slc offense average, thats a blessing, and to do it with a few, if any TO's, is amazing

if pesh had an offense we're looking at a 31 - 24 game?

[Plano East Player]

possibly? as good as teh southlake offense is i believe the defense is the biggest part of there team this year, the offense has always been awesome but the defense has really stepped it up and shut pple down. look at the first half of the first 2 or 3 playoff games. they were over in no time b.c the defense dominated there opponents. kudo's to agnew he is a great athlete and having played against him a great competitor and classy guy.

[BAMF cowboy]

possibly? as good as teh southlake offense is i believe the defense is the biggest part of there team this year, the offense has always been awesome but the defense has really stepped it up and shut pple down. look at the first half of the first 2 or 3 playoff games. they were over in no time b.c the defense dominated there opponents. kudo's to agnew he is a great athlete and having played against him a great competitor and classy guy.

the defense of the dragons is up there with any in the state. a very solid o-line with a very experienced Boydston and Powers, with 'rookie' Russo at DE who is a phenominal player. Benoist, Padron and Reece is a fantastic LB core and with simpson and agnew in the secondary, and winsett, ford, and ashlock contributing, you know its gonna be good.

[drgnbkr]

yea tre had an outstanding game, i would have expected the plano front seven to have played better than that agaisnt the run considering how they did all year especially when it was obvious that slc was going to grind it out. do you think he will be better than luna?

Maybe a better pure runner, but Luna did everything so well..I don't know

[dragons08]

if pesh had an offense we're looking at a 31 - 24 game?
no, b/c remember our defense was lights out to, obviously they didnt have an O but our D is pretty good, probally like 31-10, but oh well lets focus on lufkin!

[Plano East Player]

but he is only a sophmore? give him two more years and i think he can be phenominal.

[SLCDad]

yea i agree no1 has really contained or shut down the slc offense but to make a point for plano east. plano and grapevine had explosive offenses that produced points. the panther offense really struggled this year and southlake had only scored 17 points until the fourth quarter. they were forced to punt 7 times in the firs thalf alone.This is true, but remember the PESH game was in week 3. The SLC team hadn't gotten on track yet. Having said that, PESH make SLC look out of sync all game. I'm not sure how much of that was due to the PESH defense and how much was due to a new team trying to find it's way.

[hollywood]

I guess I give Plano the credit for the turnovers and for not making but one themselves. That is part of the game. You take risks going for the interceptions. You force your opponent into making bad throws ...

[SLC13]

Maybe a better pure runner, but Luna did everything so well..I don't know
Very true......I seriously doubt that we'll see Tre' as the deep snapper and first guy down the field on the punt coverage team in a state championship game. :)

[my3sons]

Very true......I seriously doubt that we'll see Tre' as the deep snapper and first guy down the field on the punt coverage team in a state championship game. :)

Tre has really improved over the year. Aaron was a stud. He could do it all. Tre will be much better as a senior as well.

As for the best defense vs SLC it has to go to Plano East. Grapevine played great, but they had nan offense that helped them. If PESH had an offense the score would have been closer. Grapevine played a GREAT game. Hats off to the Mustangs!

[SLC13]

I guess I give Plano the credit for the turnovers and for not making but one themselves. That is part of the game. You take risks going for the interceptions. You force your opponent into making bad throws ...
Sometimes TO's are forced, but a couple of the Dragon mistakes on Saturday were of the early Christmas present variety. The first interception was thrown right to a LB dropping into the flat and the errant pitch on the option play right before the end of the first half were both unforced errors. Plano benefitted on the scoreboard from both of those plays, but had very lttle to do with causing either.....

[my3sons]

Sometimes TO's are forced, but a couple of the Dragon mistakes on Saturday were of the early Christmas present variety. The first interception was thrown right to a LB dropping into the flat and the errant pitch on the option play right before the end of the first half were both unforced errors. Plano benefitted on the scoreboard from both of those plays, but had very lttle to do with causing either.....

Plano had everything to do with Greg's interceptions. They played great. Their game plan worked almost perfectly. Greg became a little impatient and tried to force a few throws and Plano intercepts. Plano had a great scheme and it almost worked.

[reed35]

Plano's D had too many WIFFs on TN and GM. Poor tackling. And the first long pass to CR was fun to watch. CR faked VJ so bad his shoes were on the 20 yard line. Renfro went to the corner and Jones was heading for the tunnel. That was a great move on a pass route.