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lonny23
12-05-2005, 01:00 PM
OK, sports fans. I'm going to give my take on the 3 games in the next 3 posts. I'll start with the #1 team in the nation.

SLC is getting almost 300 yards more a game than their opponents and they're winning by a lot. They still score a lot and McElroy will hit 4K yards this week. The difference this year is they're holding teams down in yards. They've played good offensive teams, but they're shutting them down and a lot of the points and yards have been late in the game and with backups in there. They are more susceptible to the pass than running, but that gets minimized with Claybon's injury. The running attack still gets almost 200 yards a game and you have to respect all aspects of their offense. We all know they're well-coached and they have different gears. This is a top team.

Lufkin has talent. Not having Claybon will hurt, but not as much as last week. They didn't always win like they needed to, but they kept winning this year. In the playoffs, they've played pretty much to their opponent's level. Outlaw deserves a lot of credit for winning so much. They came through last week when Cove got back in the game and that's a testament to the team.

I realize how tight the last 2 games were and this game is in Lufkin's backyard, but it's not going to be as close this time. It would be closer with Claybon, but SLC is and has been the better team all year.

SLC 31
Lufkin 14

lonny23
12-05-2005, 01:04 PM
Katy-SV are almost mirror images of each other in style. This game is in Katy's back yard. SV has played a tougher schedule. Katy has scored more during the year, but really dodged a bullet last week. SV was good all year, but really stepped it up for the playoffs. They're really scoring on offense right now.

The district champion from the best district in the state will beat the best Team in Region 3 from a weaker district. This game will have a lot of back and forth action and nobody should miss it.

SV 38
Katy 28

lonny23
12-05-2005, 01:21 PM
Now the big one!

Trinity has a bunch of big guys on the OL. They have a great rushing offense and get big passing plays, too. Their defense has been pretty good overall and has been real good in some games.

Judson was all defense for most of the year and struggled a lot. They never gave up and got to the title game. I won't lie and will tell you this is the easiest game to pick this week. Judson is the better team and will win.

Trinity is just not a complete enough team to beat Judson. They turn the ball over too much and have had penalty problems this year, but have improved in that area. They don't punt well and never really had to do it very much. It looks like they had trouble snapping the ball this year because there are some very odd 2 point conversions in their boxscores. They missed quite a few extra points and only got 1 FG all year. Trinity really got hammered on defense in some games and they gave up plenty of big plays. They were not fast starters in a good amount of their games and they struggled quite a bit with the better teams they played (none of them were as good as Judson, though). They do a great job running the ball down your throat and got a lot of big plays on offense.

Judson has the perfect defense for ET. They have a great secondary that can cover the WR's and great speed all over. They play great gap control defense and they need that against a larger ET line. They cause turnovers and don't give up big plays. They make you drive it down the field on them and take their chances they'll get a turnover or stop you. The offense is coming around and they're going to grind out yards and take away time with the running attack. They can put it in the air, too. I don't think ET will get the same plays this week that they're accustomed to. Westfield was a better, more complete team than ET. I really think Judson is a team of destiny and they're not going to lose a game in Round Rock of all places.

Judson 24
Trinity 7

Redneckn
12-05-2005, 01:23 PM
If you flip the teams, I would agree.

I don't think Judson will win it.
I don't think Katy will lose it.
I do think that SLC will crumble.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 01:25 PM
If you flip the teams, I would agree.

I don't think Judson will win it.
I don't think Katy will lose it.
I do think that SLC will crumble.
Why El Salvador?

BAMF cowboy
12-05-2005, 01:25 PM
If you flip the teams, I would agree.

I don't think Judson will win it.
I don't think Katy will lose it.
I do think that SLC will crumble.

just like how they were overrated this year and wouldn't go the season undefeated. Just how IMac would end their season early. Just how Allen's spread offense would take it to the defense? Just like Abilene was supposed to avenge last years loss. Just like Plano's defense was going to completely shut down the offense (props to plano though, they played great)

in conclusion, yes i can see now why SLC will crumble

Redneckn
12-05-2005, 01:33 PM
Lonny. I want to be in ms-13. So I figured if I claimed to be ElSalvadore, they might let me in. That way I can be a redneck in mexican gang. :D


DragonCrew. Just my opinion. Let's not get all testy about it.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 01:33 PM
Now the big one!

Trinity has a bunch of big guys on the OL. They have a great rushing offense and get big passing plays, too. Their defense has been pretty good overall and has been real good in some games.

Judson was all defense for most of the year and struggled a lot. They never gave up and got to the title game. I won't lie and will tell you this is the easiest game to pick this week. Judson is the better team and will win.

Trinity is just not a complete enough team to beat Judson. They turn the ball over too much and have had penalty problems this year, but have improved in that area. They don't punt well and never really had to do it very much. It looks like they had trouble snapping the ball this year because there are some very odd 2 point conversions in their boxscores. They missed quite a few extra points and only got 1 FG all year. Trinity really got hammered on defense in some games and they gave up plenty of big plays. They were not fast starters in a good amount of their games and they struggled quite a bit with the better teams they played (none of them were as good as Judson, though). They do a great job running the ball down your throat and got a lot of big plays on offense.

Judson has the perfect defense for ET. They have a great secondary that can cover the WR's and great speed all over. They play great gap control defense and they need that against a larger ET line. They cause turnovers and don't give up big plays. They make you drive it down the field on them and take their chances they'll get a turnover or stop you. The offense is coming around and they're going to grind out yards and take away time with the running attack. They can put it in the air, too. I don't think ET will get the same plays this week that they're accustomed to. Westfield was a better, more complete team than ET. I really think Judson is a team of destiny and they're not going to lose a game in Round Rock of all places.

Judson 24
Trinity 7

THANK YOU LONNY. I knew ud come through, even nice enough to give us a score prediction. That was real nice adding that score at the end of the ball game too. Trinity posters, I implore u to WAIT TILL SATURDAY NIGHT :D !

lonny23
12-05-2005, 01:38 PM
THANK YOU LONNY. I knew ud come through, even nice enough to give us a score prediction. That was real nice adding that score at the end of the ball game too. Trinity posters, I implore u to WAIT TILL SATURDAY NIGHT :D !
I did my homework before posting that. You won't score those 4 or more TD's you're used to.

SmilinTiger
12-05-2005, 01:51 PM
Katy-SV are almost mirror images of each other in style. This game is in Katy's back yard. SV has played a tougher schedule. Katy has scored more during the year, but really dodged a bullet last week. SV was good all year, but really stepped it up for the playoffs. They're really scoring on offense right now.

The district champion from the best district in the state will beat the best Team in Region 3 from a weaker district. This game will have a lot of back and forth action and nobody should miss it.

SV 38
Katy 28

OK Lonny. When Katy takes SV down, we don't want to hear from you for those 7 days. DEAL?

bugw09
12-05-2005, 01:52 PM
I did my homework before posting that. You won't score those 4 or more TD's you're used to.

Lonny, of the few months that I've been posting you have seemed to be one of the most reasonable posters, but now you are just being ridiculous. Don't let readers believe that your prediction is an unbiased one when you obviously liked Judson to begin with. And don't say that you are famous for making gutsy prediction because you aren't. The majority of the time you have picked the favorite to win and this time it is Trinity. If you don't want to pick Trinity, fine, if you really think they will lose 24-7(hahaha), fine, but don't lead other to believe that you actually are neutral to these two teams.

pack98
12-05-2005, 01:56 PM
Well i am going to take a line from the old ball coach Lee corso

if SLC wins it is going to be "closer than the experts think"


GO PANTHERS

theloneranger
12-05-2005, 01:57 PM
Lonny, of the few months that I've been posting you have seemed to be one of the most reasonable posters, but now you are just being ridiculous. Don't let readers believe that your prediction is an unbiased one when you obviously liked Judson to begin with. And don't say that you are famous for making gutsy prediction because you aren't. The majority of the time you have picked the favorite to win and this time it is Trinity. If you don't want to pick Trinity, fine, if you really think they will lose 24-7(hahaha), fine, but don't lead other to believe that you actually are neutral to these two teams.
Careful bug.........:o....... you dont want to read a long post do ya????? If you do then keep it up and you will. Please dont upset Lonny:D

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 01:57 PM
Now the big one!

Trinity has a bunch of big guys on the OL. They have a great rushing offense and get big passing plays, too. Their defense has been pretty good overall and has been real good in some games.

Judson was all defense for most of the year and struggled a lot. They never gave up and got to the title game. I won't lie and will tell you this is the easiest game to pick this week. Judson is the better team and will win.

Trinity is just not a complete enough team to beat Judson. They turn the ball over too much and have had penalty problems this year, but have improved in that area. They don't punt well and never really had to do it very much. It looks like they had trouble snapping the ball this year because there are some very odd 2 point conversions in their boxscores. They missed quite a few extra points and only got 1 FG all year. Trinity really got hammered on defense in some games and they gave up plenty of big plays. They were not fast starters in a good amount of their games and they struggled quite a bit with the better teams they played (none of them were as good as Judson, though). They do a great job running the ball down your throat and got a lot of big plays on offense.

Judson has the perfect defense for ET. They have a great secondary that can cover the WR's and great speed all over. They play great gap control defense and they need that against a larger ET line. They cause turnovers and don't give up big plays. They make you drive it down the field on them and take their chances they'll get a turnover or stop you. The offense is coming around and they're going to grind out yards and take away time with the running attack. They can put it in the air, too. I don't think ET will get the same plays this week that they're accustomed to. Westfield was a better, more complete team than ET. I really think Judson is a team of destiny and they're not going to lose a game in Round Rock of all places.

Judson 24
Trinity 7

All incorrect answers mister Lonny.


No. The rankings are only there to try and give an idea of the best teams in the state when there's no tangible way to compare them. The playoffs are the ultimate test, and the real teams will survive and be there in the end.

TRINITY'S FINAL EXAM ON SATURDAY, DEC. 10 at 12 p.m. DON'T BE LATE ;) !

theloneranger
12-05-2005, 01:58 PM
Well i am going to take a line from the old ball coach Lee corso

if SLC wins it is going to be "closer than the experts think"


GO PANTHERS
Ill take one to "I agree"!!!:)

bullrock
12-05-2005, 02:00 PM
That's BOLD Lonny. You're fixin' to start a fight. I may agree with the teams you picked, but I am a little surprised at the scores. And in case you didn't notice, I have now surpassed the 400 post mark this year. That equals about two good days of posting for you.

LUFPAN
12-05-2005, 02:06 PM
Now the big one!

Trinity has a bunch of big guys on the OL. They have a great rushing offense and get big passing plays, too. Their defense has been pretty good overall and has been real good in some games.

Judson was all defense for most of the year and struggled a lot. They never gave up and got to the title game. I won't lie and will tell you this is the easiest game to pick this week. Judson is the better team and will win.

Trinity is just not a complete enough team to beat Judson. They turn the ball over too much and have had penalty problems this year, but have improved in that area. They don't punt well and never really had to do it very much. It looks like they had trouble snapping the ball this year because there are some very odd 2 point conversions in their boxscores. They missed quite a few extra points and only got 1 FG all year. Trinity really got hammered on defense in some games and they gave up plenty of big plays. They were not fast starters in a good amount of their games and they struggled quite a bit with the better teams they played (none of them were as good as Judson, though). They do a great job running the ball down your throat and got a lot of big plays on offense.

Judson has the perfect defense for ET. They have a great secondary that can cover the WR's and great speed all over. They play great gap control defense and they need that against a larger ET line. They cause turnovers and don't give up big plays. They make you drive it down the field on them and take their chances they'll get a turnover or stop you. The offense is coming around and they're going to grind out yards and take away time with the running attack. They can put it in the air, too. I don't think ET will get the same plays this week that they're accustomed to. Westfield was a better, more complete team than ET. I really think Judson is a team of destiny and they're not going to lose a game in Round Rock of all places.

Judson 24
Trinity 7

Congratulations Lonny on making the homer pick of the week. Converse ,IMO, is the team least likely to win of the picks you made. Not knocking on them they play with lots of heart and pride, they've just got the biggest mountain to climb.

SmilinTiger
12-05-2005, 02:08 PM
Jerry @ tfr.com has it

Trinity by 6
SLC by 11
Katy by 3

He definitely has the winners. Spread to be determined.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 02:14 PM
OK Lonny. When Katy takes SV down, we don't want to hear from you for those 7 days. DEAL?
My deal was the Judson game.

TrojanWebman
12-05-2005, 02:15 PM
Please tell me you are one of the scouts for Judson.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 02:18 PM
Please tell me you are one of the scouts for Judson.

Yeah that would be nice!

lonny23
12-05-2005, 02:23 PM
Lonny, of the few months that I've been posting you have seemed to be one of the most reasonable posters, but now you are just being ridiculous. Don't let readers believe that your prediction is an unbiased one when you obviously liked Judson to begin with. And don't say that you are famous for making gutsy prediction because you aren't. The majority of the time you have picked the favorite to win and this time it is Trinity. If you don't want to pick Trinity, fine, if you really think they will lose 24-7(hahaha), fine, but don't lead other to believe that you actually are neutral to these two teams.
I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 02:24 PM
Careful bug.........:o....... you dont want to read a long post do ya????? If you do then keep it up and you will. Please dont upset Lonny:D
I don't usually say everything in the first post, so I post more if I get a little feedback.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 02:26 PM
That's BOLD Lonny. You're fixin' to start a fight. I may agree with the teams you picked, but I am a little surprised at the scores. And in case you didn't notice, I have now surpassed the 400 post mark this year. That equals about two good days of posting for you.
Congrats on 400. I was looking at your posts a few days ago and you had like 6 going into August and still had less than 100 going into September.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 02:27 PM
That's BOLD Lonny. You're fixin' to start a fight. I may agree with the teams you picked, but I am a little surprised at the scores. And in case you didn't notice, I have now surpassed the 400 post mark this year. That equals about two good days of posting for you.
I know these games tend to be close, but I just feel like there will be larger margins this week.

nathan00427
12-05-2005, 02:28 PM
Now the big one!

Trinity has a bunch of big guys on the OL. They have a great rushing offense and get big passing plays, too. Their defense has been pretty good overall and has been real good in some games.

Judson was all defense for most of the year and struggled a lot. They never gave up and got to the title game. I won't lie and will tell you this is the easiest game to pick this week. Judson is the better team and will win.

Trinity is just not a complete enough team to beat Judson. They turn the ball over too much and have had penalty problems this year, but have improved in that area. They don't punt well and never really had to do it very much. It looks like they had trouble snapping the ball this year because there are some very odd 2 point conversions in their boxscores. They missed quite a few extra points and only got 1 FG all year. Trinity really got hammered on defense in some games and they gave up plenty of big plays. They were not fast starters in a good amount of their games and they struggled quite a bit with the better teams they played (none of them were as good as Judson, though). They do a great job running the ball down your throat and got a lot of big plays on offense.

Judson has the perfect defense for ET. They have a great secondary that can cover the WR's and great speed all over. They play great gap control defense and they need that against a larger ET line. They cause turnovers and don't give up big plays. They make you drive it down the field on them and take their chances they'll get a turnover or stop you. The offense is coming around and they're going to grind out yards and take away time with the running attack. They can put it in the air, too. I don't think ET will get the same plays this week that they're accustomed to. Westfield was a better, more complete team than ET. I really think Judson is a team of destiny and they're not going to lose a game in Round Rock of all places.

Judson 24
Trinity 7

here comes the stats-man out of me.

121 offensive possesions for trinity this year.
90 touchdowns
1 fg
11 turnovers
19 punts

that includes time with the backups in (which is where you can find most of those punts)

90 tds/11 turnovers -- basically a 9:1 ratio.

you know what, let judson force a turnover while ET drops 63. i think if that happened, trinity would still find a way to win.

so you judson boys dont get ur panties in a wad -- i dont think trinity will score that much, i was just putting it in perspective. but to think they can hold trinity to 7 is absurd.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 02:31 PM
I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.

Which team does what will certainly be determined on Saturday. Its a shame u wont be there to see it....


No. The rankings are only there to try and give an idea of the best teams in the state when there's no tangible way to compare them. The playoffs are the ultimate test, and the real teams will survive and be there in the end.

TRINITY'S FINAL EXAM ON SATURDAY, DEC. 10 at 12 p.m. DON'T BE LATE !

lonny23
12-05-2005, 02:31 PM
here comes the stats-man out of me.

121 offensive possesions for trinity this year.
90 touchdowns
1 fg
11 turnovers
19 punts

that includes time with the backups in (which is where you can find most of those punts)

90 tds/11 turnovers -- basically a 9:1 ratio.

you know what, let judson force a turnover while ET drops 63. i think if that happened, trinity would still find a way to win.

so you judson boys dont get ur panties in a wad -- i dont think trinity will score that much, i was just putting it in perspective. but to think they can hold trinity to 7 is absurd.
Nobody thought Katy would hold SLC to 15 and SV held them to 27 last year.

Westfield had 5 turnovers going into last week and had 4 for the game. You've had 2 turnovers in 3 games out of the last 5. 11 is still a good amount in spite of the offensive firepower. Judson will get at least a few turnovers off of you.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 02:34 PM
Nobody thought Katy would hold SLC to 15 and SV held them to 27 last year.

Westfield had 5 turnovers going into last week and had 4 for the game. I looked at all the boxscores on the DMN and you have more than 11 turnovers.

No we do not. Trevor has 4 interceptions on the year. and 7 fumbles actually sounds about right. 11 turnovers was also mentioned in Saturday's postgame.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 02:39 PM
By the way u havent exactly been in a rush to mention Judson stats by the way. By the way I'm gonna give u some advice because I respect ur loyalty to ur team(even though u FIRED Judson :confused: :rolleyes: ). Seeing as u havent seen ur team all year and certainly havent seen Trinity it really would be in your best interest to wait to saturday to go to make so many bold statements. Right now your walking in a minefield blindfolded.

nate
12-05-2005, 02:39 PM
Lonny, do you remember the Katy offense in '97 when they won the title over Longview? That's what I think of when I watch this Trinity offense. The linemen are not just gigantic. They are also very quick and good at getting past the defensive line to the LBs and secondary. Add to that 2 very capable TEs bigger than anyone Judson will line up in its front 7 and you, my friend, have an impossible force to stop.

Back in '97, Katy had a great line, maybe the best I've ever seen in a high school team. That season, Katy had 2 great RBs that ran all over opposing defenses all year.

This season, Trinity has an amazing line and great TEs to cap it off. Their 2 RBs are better than anyone Judson has seen, Westfield included. Judson may slow down the Trojan offense, but there's no chance you will hold them to under 200 yds of rushing offense and 24-28 points. Given Judson's inability to score a whole lot, that should give Trinity enough to win this game.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 02:41 PM
No we do not. Trevor has 4 interceptions on the year. and 7 fumbles actually sounds about right. 11 turnovers was also mentioned in Saturday's postgame.
I went back to change it. You have 2 each in 3 of the last 5 games.

TrojanWebman
12-05-2005, 02:43 PM
One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

This game isn't 265 vs 65. It's Judson vs Trinity. Let the best team win.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 02:45 PM
By the way u havent exactly been in a rush to mention Judson stats by the way. By the way I'm gonna give u some advice because I respect ur loyalty to ur team(even though u FIRED Judson :confused: :rolleyes: ). Seeing as u havent seen ur team all year and certainly havent seen Trinity it really would be in your best interest to wait to saturday to go to make so many bold statements. Right now your walking in a minefield blindfolded.
Hey, you know how the prediction game goes. Sometimes what you think you see comes to pass and sometimes it blows up in your face. I believe what I said will come to pass and we can all see on Saturday.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 02:45 PM
I went back to change it. You have 2 each in 3 of the last 5 games.

And how many turnovers does JUDSON have on the year?

lonny23
12-05-2005, 02:47 PM
And how many turnovers does JUDSON have on the year?
I don't know because the paper doesn't have all the boxscores. Maybe somebody knows. I'm going to bed. Maybe I'll count when I get up.

implacable44
12-05-2005, 02:52 PM
Congratulations Lonny on making the homer pick of the week. Converse ,IMO, is the team least likely to win of the picks you made. Not knocking on them they play with lots of heart and pride, they've just got the biggest mountain to climb.


I assume you mean as in pure physical size right ? like comparing the size of the O-line to a mountain ? - surely you don't think it is more difficult to beat Trinity - who has already lost once this year to SGP than it is going to be for Lufkin to beat SLC ? a team that has beaten Lufkin in the past and now Lufkin is without their starting QB ? Surely you recognize Lufkin has the biggest mountain to climb ?

farmerfan
12-05-2005, 02:52 PM
I dont know where you are getting this slow start stuff from. Since the I-Mac game, Trinity has scored a TD on its first possesion of each game except last week. Trinity has a very difficult ground game to contain. They do not rely on the big play, rather they just move their way down field chipping away with runs of 3 yards then 5 yards then 4 yards then 7 yards then a 10 yard run followed by another 5 yard run followed by another 10-15 yard run then they will hit you with the play action followed by a TD. This offense is very difficult to contain for 48 mins. They are going to get their points and they are going to get their yards. SGP has every bit as good a defense as Judson has and Trinity still rushed for over 300 yards on them and scored 28 points. That was probably the worst offensive game Trinity has played all year and they still moved the ball well and scored points. Against I-Mac they had at least 2 chances to score but didnt, one was a dropped pass on a trick play and the other was at the end of the game when Coach Lineweaver took a knee inside I-Mac's 5 yard line.
I love your homersim Lonny, but you sound like a fool to say Trinity will only score 7 pts, you have not seen them play once. All you have to go on is what other people post as well as newspaper clippings. I think a lot of your information is skewed. Im not saying Trinity will blow Judson out, but I can honestly say Judson will not hold Trinity to under 200 yards rushing. If you think you have them beat by stopping the running game, then you are in for a surprise. Vittatoe can beat you with his arm. He has not needed it as much this year as he did last year, but he is still very dangerous. Trinity has a great TE and some very big athletic receivers, Judson will get lulled into the PA and Vittatoe will bust a big one on the Rockets this week.
This running game is the cloeset thing to 96 Lewisville as I have seen. I firmly believe it can't be stopped.
Also Trinity only does have 11 turnoves on the year.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 02:53 PM
I don't know because the paper doesn't have all the boxscores. Maybe somebody knows. I'm going to bed. Maybe I'll count when I get up.

Exactly, get where the blindfolded in a minefield analogy comes from. There's nothing wrong with saying u think ur team is going to win or what score, just dont claim u came to this conclusion based on a accurated analysis of the numbers. Just say u think *JUDSON IS REALLY AWESOME* and you'll actually come off better.

nathan00427
12-05-2005, 02:53 PM
I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.

i can live with 11 turnovers (im sure judson has close to or more than that)

judsons d might be better than trinity's, i havent seen so i dont know.

trinity doesn't really punt at all, so saying they dont punt well is a non-factor.

trinity's special teams has been solid all year. no huge plays (other than when kickoffs go dimitri's way), but not many negative plays either

trinity's D has scored 2 touchdowns of their own, and forced 26 turnovers, which isn't shabby either.

trinity doesnt really kick, but when the kicker is called upon he makes his kicks (1/1!)

you're insulting the haka? what does that have to do with anything once game starts?

finally, judson beat westfield WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER DURING THE SECOND HALF.

why dont you talk up how good judson is instead of trying to bash trinity. people keep overlooking....THEY LOST 4 TIMES THIS YEAR. trinity BARELY lost ONCE. why does that always seem to be forgotten?

bugw09
12-05-2005, 02:55 PM
I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.


Lonny, those are all fair if not bad reasons that you think you think Judson will win. But that is not the point. The point is is that you shouldn't post as though you were unbiased. Even if Trinity was a complete favorite and nobody thought Judson was going to win, you would still find enough meaningless facts to support a Judson win because you're a fan.

farmerfan
12-05-2005, 02:55 PM
Lonny, do you remember the Katy offense in '97 when they won the title over Longview? That's what I think of when I watch this Trinity offense. The linemen are not just gigantic. They are also very quick and good at getting past the defensive line to the LBs and secondary. Add to that 2 very capable TEs bigger than anyone Judson will line up in its front 7 and you, my friend, have an impossible force to stop.

Back in '97, Katy had a great line, maybe the best I've ever seen in a high school team. That season, Katy had 2 great RBs that ran all over opposing defenses all year.

This season, Trinity has an amazing line and great TEs to cap it off. Their 2 RBs are better than anyone Judson has seen, Westfield included. Judson may slow down the Trojan offense, but there's no chance you will hold them to under 200 yds of rushing offense and 24-28 points. Given Judson's inability to score a whole lot, that should give Trinity enough to win this game.

man great minds think alike. I had not seen your post when I started posting mine. Must be something in that Denton County water system :D

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 03:02 PM
I dont know where you are getting this slow start stuff from. Since the I-Mac game, Trinity has scored a TD on its first possesion of each game. Trinity has a very difficult ground game to contain. They do not rely on the big play, rather they just move their way down field chipping away with runs of 3 yards then 5 yards then 4 yards then 7 yards then a 10 yard run followed by another 5 yard run followed by another 10-15 yard run then they will hit you with the play action followed by a TD. This offense is very difficult to contain for 48 mins. They are going to get their points and they are going to get their yards. SGP has every bit as good a defense as Judson has and Trinity still rushed for over 300 yards on them and scored 28 points. That was probably the worst offensive game Trinity has played all year and they still moved the ball well and scored points. Against I-Mac they had at least 2 chances to score but didnt, one was a dropped pass on a trick play and the other was at the end of the game when Coach Lineweaver took a knee inside I-Mac's 5 yard line.
I love your homersim Lonny, but you sound like a fool to say Trinity will only score 7 pts, you have not seen them play once. All you have to go on is what other people post as well as newspaper clippings. I think a lot of your information is skewed. Im not saying Trinity will blow Judson out, but I can honestly say Judson will not hold Trinity to under 200 yards rushing. If you think you have them beat by stopping the running game, then you are in for a surprise. Vittatoe can beat you with his arm. He has not needed it as much this year as he did last year, but he is still very dangerous. Trinity has a great TE and some very big athletic receivers, Judson will get lulled into the PA and Vittatoe will bust a big one on the Rockets this week.
This running game is the cloeset thing to 96 Lewisville as I have seen. I firmly believe it can't be stopped.
Also Trinity only does have 11 turnoves on the year.

By the way I forgot to mention, while Trinity is ever capable of the big play, what Trinity felt they learned from SGP was to be more patient. And a direct result was Nance having 45 carries and 300 plus yds vs. Mac, and 100 plus for Laderrick. While they still have some games where they make an effort to get it to our underrated wide receivers for long touchdowns. The have no problem with committing to the running game. Because people seem to think our offensive line isnt conditioned, and then its their defense thats getting tired and not having fun anymore :D . They understand those 3-4 yd gains in the first quarter have gotten longer with each quarter, untill they alway turn in to 40 yd+ plus runs in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

implacable44
12-05-2005, 03:03 PM
man great minds think alike. I had not seen your post when I started posting mine. Must be something in that Denton County water system :D

well there you have it. Call Coach Rackley and tell him to forget it. We just won't show up because Goliath is coming to town - yet another Goliath - I seem to remember hearing all of this last week when the annointed D1 champion was coming to town and Judson would be shocked. Judson had no chance. - They had no chance to make the playoffs because of the point spread they needed - It is hopeless. Stay home Judson stay home and I won't bother to make the Drive from Keller either because it will just be pointless against this "unstoppable" team that has no state championships - lost to South Grand Prarie and has the best line since KAty of 97. It is hopeless- There will be no mighty ducks - no little engine that could - no rocky -- no cinderella man those are all just fantasies. No Pistons over the Lakers for the NBA title - it just isn't gonna happen. We have been shown stats - reminded of our meager record and small size -- reminded that we have no star players no standout performances. I will stay home and cut the grass.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 03:05 PM
well there you have it. Call Coach Rackley and tell him to forget it. We just won't show up because Goliath is coming to town - yet another Goliath - I seem to remember hearing all of this last week when the annointed D1 champion was coming to town and Judson would be shocked. Judson had no chance. - They had no chance to make the playoffs because of the point spread they needed - It is hopeless. Stay home Judson stay home and I won't bother to make the Drive from Keller either because it will just be pointless against this "unstoppable" team that has no state championships - lost to South Grand Prarie and has the best line since KAty of 97. It is hopeless- There will be no mighty ducks - no little engine that could - no rocky -- no cinderella man those are all just fantasies. No Pistons over the Lakers for the NBA title - it just isn't gonna happen. We have been shown stats - reminded of our meager record and small size -- reminded that we have no star players no standout performances. I will stay home and cut the grass.

C'mon NO ONE is saying all that. We're just saying u can celebarate what Judson has done without bashing Trinity.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 03:07 PM
I'm just gonna say it some of Judson's fan, even some of the most decorated have actually been sounding like the Westfield fans thinking they already played the D1 state championship game. Thats just asking for trouble!

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 03:08 PM
I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.

Exhibit L :D !

implacable44
12-05-2005, 03:10 PM
I'm just gonna say it some of Judson's fan, even some of the most decorated have actually been sounding like the Westfield fans thinking they already played the D1 state championship game. Thats just asking for trouble!

is the adverse true ? or is it just Judson that should walk lightly on thin ice -- be careful what we say so as not to offend that mighty force in Useless, Texas?

theloneranger
12-05-2005, 03:12 PM
well there you have it. Call Coach Rackley and tell him to forget it. We just won't show up because Goliath is coming to town - yet another Goliath - I seem to remember hearing all of this last week when the annointed D1 champion was coming to town and Judson would be shocked. Judson had no chance. - They had no chance to make the playoffs because of the point spread they needed - It is hopeless. Stay home Judson stay home and I won't bother to make the Drive from Keller either because it will just be pointless against this "unstoppable" team that has no state championships - lost to South Grand Prarie and has the best line since KAty of 97. It is hopeless- There will be no mighty ducks - no little engine that could - no rocky -- no cinderella man those are all just fantasies. No Pistons over the Lakers for the NBA title - it just isn't gonna happen. We have been shown stats - reminded of our meager record and small size -- reminded that we have no star players no standout performances. I will stay home and cut the grass.
Good TIMES!!!!!! Nice post Dude:)

B2BStateChamps92_93
12-05-2005, 03:39 PM
i can live with 11 turnovers (im sure judson has close to or more than that)

judsons d might be better than trinity's, i havent seen so i dont know.

trinity doesn't really punt at all, so saying they dont punt well is a non-factor.

trinity's special teams has been solid all year. no huge plays (other than when kickoffs go dimitri's way), but not many negative plays either

trinity's D has scored 2 touchdowns of their own, and forced 26 turnovers, which isn't shabby either.

trinity doesnt really kick, but when the kicker is called upon he makes his kicks (1/1!)

you're insulting the haka? what does that have to do with anything once game starts?

finally, judson beat westfield WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER DURING THE SECOND HALF.

why dont you talk up how good judson is instead of trying to bash trinity. people keep overlooking....THEY LOST 4 TIMES THIS YEAR. trinity BARELY lost ONCE. why does that always seem to be forgotten?

Judson is better than Trinity....how's that!!

District 6 Overall

Team W L W L PPG PAPG
Irving MacArthur (7) 9-1 6 1 25.3 16.6
Euless Trinity (1) 9-1 6 1 46.0 16.6
South Grand Prairie (2) 9-1 6 1 30.2 14.2
Coppell (3) 5-5 4 3 25.5 21.1
Irving Nimitz (5) 6-4 3 4 23.4 20.7
Hurst Bell (6) 3-7 2 5 15.9 28.3
Irving (8) 4-6 1 6 21.5 26.0
Grand Prairie (4) 0-10 0 7 9.1 38.7

This is what we call a weak district!

K. Fossil Ridge (6-4) 20
Plano East (6-5) 20
EP Franklin (11-1) 14
A&M Consol. (11-2) 6

These are the teams that you beat to get to where you are, you notice that the teams with worse records still put up points against you.

That combined with the Judson "swarm" defense will be the end of EU!

Let the "Firestorm" begin!

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 03:42 PM
Judson is better than Trinity....how's that!!

District 6 Overall

Team W L W L PPG PAPG
Irving MacArthur (7) 9-1 6 1 25.3 16.6
Euless Trinity (1) 9-1 6 1 46.0 16.6
South Grand Prairie (2) 9-1 6 1 30.2 14.2
Coppell (3) 5-5 4 3 25.5 21.1
Irving Nimitz (5) 6-4 3 4 23.4 20.7
Hurst Bell (6) 3-7 2 5 15.9 28.3
Irving (8) 4-6 1 6 21.5 26.0
Grand Prairie (4) 0-10 0 7 9.1 38.7

This is what we call a weak district!

K. Fossil Ridge (6-4) 20
Plano East (6-5) 20
EP Franklin (11-1) 14
A&M Consol. (11-2) 6

These are the teams that you beat to get to where you are, you notice that the teams with worse records still put up points against you.

That combined with the Judson "swarm" defense will be the end of EU!

Let the "Firestorm" begin!

Hmmm didnt see u during those 4 losses and probably not before last week. I guess u should make the most of ur two week stay :D ! This firestorm is gonna resemble the Challenger. :cool:

implacable44
12-05-2005, 03:45 PM
Hmmm didnt see u during those 4 losses and probably not before last week. I guess u should make the most of ur two week stay :D !

well since we will be state champs for the entire year he can stay for longer than that -- and we can discuss the victory and th 2-o record against Useless for the whole year. But since his signature talks about the 92 and 93 state titles -well makes me wonder if he played on that team that spanked Trinity - oh wait - I forgot about all the stats and stuff - sorry - yeah we will all be gone soon - with our tail between our legs running from the mighty trojans.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 03:48 PM
yeah we will all be gone soon - with our tail between our legs running from the mighty trojans.

Very well put!

gritty52
12-05-2005, 03:52 PM
I knew the useless word was coming. Is all this mess about us losing 1 game coming from a bunch that has lost 4???? We will see if they can stop the 5A player of the year!! No one else has we;ll see.:D :D

BigFoot
12-05-2005, 03:53 PM
I dont know where you are getting this slow start stuff from. Since the I-Mac game, Trinity has scored a TD on its first possesion of each game. Trinity has a very difficult ground game to contain. They do not rely on the big play, rather they just move their way down field chipping away with runs of 3 yards then 5 yards then 4 yards then 7 yards then a 10 yard run followed by another 5 yard run followed by another 10-15 yard run then they will hit you with the play action followed by a TD. This offense is very difficult to contain for 48 mins. They are going to get their points and they are going to get their yards. SGP has every bit as good a defense as Judson has and Trinity still rushed for over 300 yards on them and scored 28 points. That was probably the worst offensive game Trinity has played all year and they still moved the ball well and scored points. Against I-Mac they had at least 2 chances to score but didnt, one was a dropped pass on a trick play and the other was at the end of the game when Coach Lineweaver took a knee inside I-Mac's 5 yard line.
I love your homersim Lonny, but you sound like a fool to say Trinity will only score 7 pts, you have not seen them play once. All you have to go on is what other people post as well as newspaper clippings. I think a lot of your information is skewed. Im not saying Trinity will blow Judson out, but I can honestly say Judson will not hold Trinity to under 200 yards rushing. If you think you have them beat by stopping the running game, then you are in for a surprise. Vittatoe can beat you with his arm. He has not needed it as much this year as he did last year, but he is still very dangerous. Trinity has a great TE and some very big athletic receivers, Judson will get lulled into the PA and Vittatoe will bust a big one on the Rockets this week.
This running game is the cloeset thing to 96 Lewisville as I have seen. I firmly believe it can't be stopped.
Also Trinity only does have 11 turnoves on the year.
Are you venturing down to Round Rock Farmer?

implacable44
12-05-2005, 03:55 PM
I knew the useless word was coming. Is all this mess about us losing 1 game coming from a bunch that has lost 4???? We will see if they can stop the 5A player of the year!! No one else has we;ll see.:D :D

Greg Mcelroy transferred to Trinity ?

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 03:57 PM
Greg Mcelroy transferred to Trinity ?

He wishes :D , the hawgs never let the QB touched.

implacable44
12-05-2005, 03:59 PM
He wishes :D , the hawgs never let the QB touched.

who is this 5a player of the year then ?

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 04:02 PM
Man it is so tempting to provide u with some inside dish on what publications have already selected Dimitri Nance as player of the year. But they have to wait to the conclusion of the playoffs. Out of respect I cannot divulge any more info untill Saturday night :cool: . I'll put it on a bible though.

implacable44
12-05-2005, 04:06 PM
Man it is so tempting to provide u with some inside dish on what publications have already selected Dimitri Nance as player of the year. But they have to wait to the conclusion of the playoffs. Out of respect I cannot divulge any more info untill Saturday night :cool: . I'll put it on a bible though.

honestly if anybody but Mcelroy gets 5a player of the year it is a joke and only because a southlake player has gotten it the past 2 years and people are starting to believe it is the system. That kid performed up to all expectations and might have even exceeded them - he has great receivers and a great system but he has to execute. If he doesn't get it -- it will be much like when Jordan got dogged and they gave it to Malone because Jordan had won it so many times.

southlake thug
12-05-2005, 04:09 PM
honestly if anybody but Mcelroy gets 5a player of the year it is a joke and only because a southlake player has gotten it the past 2 years and people are starting to believe it is the system. That kid performed up to all expectations and might have even exceeded them - he has great receivers and a great system but he has to execute. If he doesn't get it -- it will be much like when Jordan got dogged and they gave it to Malone because Jordan had won it so many times.


Wow. Implac - are you alright? I have never heard this kind of banter from you.

farmerfan
12-05-2005, 04:11 PM
Are you venturing down to Round Rock Farmer?

I am seriously thinking about it. With Lufkin and SLC being as far away as they are. This game sounds very tempting. Last time I was at a Judson state title game, a state record for most points scored by a winning team was accomplished (only to have our cross town rivals top that record by 1 pt the following year).

TexasRed6x
12-05-2005, 04:12 PM
Man it is so tempting to provide u with some inside dish on what publications have already selected Dimitri Nance as player of the year. But they have to wait to the conclusion of the playoffs. Out of respect I cannot divulge any more info untill Saturday night :cool: . I'll put it on a bible though.

Horse - Judson fans will never under estimate Trinity period, we know what a talented team you have. Westfield too was loaded, with agreat runningback as well. I have a friend that went to the Tyler/ Trinity game and he even called me when they were playing to tell me how good your team is. Trinity will be favored as you well know, and Judson understands that they are the underdog, again nothing to lose and everything to gain. I for one respect what Trininty has done this year, and thought all along that it would be Trinity and Westfield in the finals, someone just forgot to tell Judson that they were not suppose to win the game, and that is why we play the games.

implacable44
12-05-2005, 04:13 PM
Wow. Implac - are you alright? I have never heard this kind of banter from you.


ssshhhhh don't tell the others man - I can't have the SLC faithful knowing that most of the time I just try to get under their skin. the truth is the truth. You can't knock this kid for what he has done. I really hope he gets his offer he wants from Stanford.

farmerfan
12-05-2005, 04:14 PM
honestly if anybody but Mcelroy gets 5a player of the year it is a joke and only because a southlake player has gotten it the past 2 years and people are starting to believe it is the system. That kid performed up to all expectations and might have even exceeded them - he has great receivers and a great system but he has to execute. If he doesn't get it -- it will be much like when Jordan got dogged and they gave it to Malone because Jordan had won it so many times.


If ever a year to award Co players of the year this would be it. What Nance and McElroy have done for their respective teams is incredible. Nance is over the 3000 yard mark, something very rarely seen. He has guided his team to a state title game apperance and has yet to be stopped all year.
McElroy is the same way. He has led the machine to another impressive year. His leadership was awesome agaisnt Plano.
Both players are deserving of this award and if ever a co poy was given, this would be the appropriate year to do so.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 04:22 PM
Horse - Judson fans will never under estimate Trinity period, we know what a talented team you have. Westfield too was loaded, with agreat runningback as well. I have a friend that went to the Tyler/ Trinity game and he even called me when they were playing to tell me how good your team is. Trinity will be favored as you well know, and Judson understands that they are the underdog, again nothing to lose and everything to gain. I for one respect what Trininty has done this year, and thought all along that it would be Trinity and Westfield in the finals, someone just forgot to tell Judson that they were not suppose to win the game, and that is why we play the games.

O no doubt, these are 2 of the most respected programs in the state going at it . And I also find this to be the most intriguing matchup of the week. I think all this discussion on Monday is all in fun, outta great anticipation for a great 4 quarter battle worthy of a championship game. I've simply been sparring a bit :D .

KaTyTiGeRChIcK07
12-05-2005, 04:26 PM
OK Lonny. When Katy takes SV down, we don't want to hear from you for those 7 days. DEAL?


Could not agree with you more:) :)

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 04:26 PM
honestly if anybody but Mcelroy gets 5a player of the year it is a joke and only because a southlake player has gotten it the past 2 years and people are starting to believe it is the system. That kid performed up to all expectations and might have even exceeded them - he has great receivers and a great system but he has to execute. If he doesn't get it -- it will be much like when Jordan got dogged and they gave it to Malone because Jordan had won it so many times.

McElroy is certainly a GREAT player as I have certainly said if this was the Heisman he'd be a lock for New York. But u must admit that Michael Jordan analagy is over the top. 3,000 yds rushing is truly rarified air.

implacable44
12-05-2005, 04:31 PM
McElroy is certainly a GREAT player as I have certainly said if this was the Heisman he'd be a lock for New York. But u must admit that Michael Jordan analagy is over the top. 3,000 yds rushing is truly rarified air.

I dont think it is over the top - it wasn't like Malone didn't have a great year. I mean he is probably the best power forward of all time - (debatable) and here we are talking about a guy running behind the "biggest and best O-line" possibly in history but at least definitely since the " 97 Katy team". So how can I not attribute the majority of his success to that o-line ? maybe they should get 5a poy as a unit. 3,000 yards is definitely impressive but according to the Trojan faithful that line makes all the difference.

bullrock
12-05-2005, 04:37 PM
Well, football is a team thing. Do you honestly think McElroy could toss for 4,000 plus yards without a good O-line?

BigFoot
12-05-2005, 04:38 PM
I am seriously thinking about it. With Lufkin and SLC being as far away as they are. This game sounds very tempting. Last time I was at a Judson state title game, a state record for most points scored by a winning team was accomplished (only to have our cross town rivals top that record by 1 pt the following year).
Post if you are going ...we will look for you....going Friday night ...it is easier on the grandchildren that way.

implacable44
12-05-2005, 04:38 PM
Well, football is a team thing. Do you honestly think McElroy could toss for 4,000 plus yards without a good O-line?

nope but i already stated that -- he had great receivers and he has a good o-line that gives him time.

Slim-Rob
12-05-2005, 04:38 PM
i can live with 11 turnovers (im sure judson has close to or more than that)

judsons d might be better than trinity's, i havent seen so i dont know.

trinity doesn't really punt at all, so saying they dont punt well is a non-factor.

trinity's special teams has been solid all year. no huge plays (other than when kickoffs go dimitri's way), but not many negative plays either

trinity's D has scored 2 touchdowns of their own, and forced 26 turnovers, which isn't shabby either.

trinity doesnt really kick, but when the kicker is called upon he makes his kicks (1/1!)

you're insulting the haka? what does that have to do with anything once game starts?

finally, judson beat westfield WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER DURING THE SECOND HALF.

why dont you talk up how good judson is instead of trying to bash trinity. people keep overlooking....THEY LOST 4 TIMES THIS YEAR. trinity BARELY lost ONCE. why does that always seem to be forgotten?

He wasn't insulting the haka.

Judson BARELY LOST 4 times. These are the scores: 19-20(Judson leading at half), 7-21(tied at half), 14-23(Judson leading at half), 0-14(no offensive production). You act like Judson got blown out 4 times. Its just like we said last week, it doesn't matter how many losses we had during the season. What matters is that we got in the playoffs and we are now appearing for the 10th time in the 5A State Championship.

Just because you have scored a lot of points all year doesn't mean you will saturday. Talk to Westfield, they know what its like to average 45 ppg and only put up 14 against our D. Copperas Cove averaged 35 ppg and only scored 20. Laredo Nixon averaged 36 ppg and only scored 13. Harlingen averaged 36 ppg and only scored 15. This defense is used to holding high scoring teams to low points. The most points put on the Judson D all year was 28, which was against O'Connor in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

This game will be a close one, and if anyone hasn't decided what game to goto, go to the Judson-Trinity game because its gonna be good.

farmerfan
12-05-2005, 04:40 PM
Post if you are going ...we will look for you....going Friday night ...it is easier on the grandchildren that way.

I understand. I will know by friday afternoon. I will let you know once I have made up my mind.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 04:59 PM
I dont think it is over the top - it wasn't like Malone didn't have a great year. I mean he is probably the best power forward of all time - (debatable) and here we are talking about a guy running behind the "biggest and best O-line" possibly in history but at least definitely since the " 97 Katy team". So how can I not attribute the majority of his success to that o-line ? maybe they should get 5a poy as a unit. 3,000 yards is definitely impressive but according to the Trojan faithful that line makes all the difference.

I want to clear up a funny misconception. When people hear the words Trinity o-line they always just assume we have the biggest line in the state, and in many years that be true. But i accessed one of my favorite articles and here's the measurements.

C 6-2 239
ST 5-9 372
SG 6-3 273
QT 5-8 263
QT 6-2 310

The 372 is what really throws it off. To put that in perspective in 2001 it looked like this

C 6-2 262
ST 6-5 315
SG 6-1 285
QG 6-2 285
QT 6-3 330

Basically Trinity has had bigger lines, and other good backs before but what can't be forgot is none of them have ever even come anywhere near 3,000 yds rushing and 40 total touchdowns :eek: ! But here's more.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/high_school/13141312.htm

Said Trinity coach Steve Lineweaver: "Under the radar is not anymore. We have a very good line, but he has really good vision and good balance. We go into scrimmages with ourselves in the spring. When Dimitri's in there, those things go 60 [yards]; when some of the other guys are in there, they go six with the same blocking."

The size of the offensive line is a knock on the Trojans backs. It averages about 290 pounds per man, but a good running back must still find and read the holes.

"Once they get past the line of scrimmage, that line ain't going 10 yards down the field," said South Grand Prairie coach David Fisher, whose team beat Trinity but gave up 228 yards to Nance. "At that point, a back's instincts take over. Nance has the ability to run over people, around people, by people.

"He finishes everything he runs. There may be times around the goal line when you have a guy in position and he just runs through them. You can't coach that, you're either a physical guy with that mentality or you're not."

IN THE KNOW

A measure of his talent

How Dimitri Nance's rushing totals this season compare with statistics for the 11 running backs in the Star-Telegram preseason State 100 recruiting list:


Player, School (where committed) Ht. Wt. Car. Yds. TDs
Dimitri Nance, Trinity 5-10 195 203 2,134 30
Jamaal Evans, Irving 5-9 175 264 1,793 12
Baron Batch, Midland (Texas Tech) 5-10 170 184 1,591 21
Antwan Cobb, Pflugerville 6-0 200 162 1,372 10
Derke Robinson, Hebron (Texas) 6-1 205 163 1,298 12
Vondrell McGee, Longview, (Texas) 5-9 180 144 1,235 16
Emmanuel Moody, Coppell (Texas) 6-1 195 169 1,141 14
Trent Hines, Midland Lee, (Texas A&M) 6-2 205 174 987 10
Michael Goodson, Klein Collins, (Okla. St.) 6-0 195 99 973 8
Donte Bean, North Garland 5-9 180 191 968 12
Cornell Tarrant, Dallas Samuel 5-11 185 129 587 7
Latreal Cooper, Cuero, (Texas A&M) 6-2 200 72 347 8

theloneranger
12-05-2005, 05:23 PM
I want to clear up a funny misconception. When people hear the words Trinity o-line they always just assume we have the biggest line in the state, and in many years that be true. But i accessed one of my favorite articles and here's the measurements.

C 6-2 239
ST 5-9 372
SG 6-3 273
QT 5-8 263
QT 6-2 310

The 372 is what really throws it off. To put that in perspective in 2001 it looked like this

C 6-2 262
ST 6-5 315
SG 6-1 285
QG 6-2 285
QT 6-3 330

Basically Trinity has had bigger lines, and other good backs before but what can't be forgot is no one has every even come anywhere near 3,000 yds rushing and 40 total touchdowns :eek: ! But here's more.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/high_school/13141312.htm

Said Trinity coach Steve Lineweaver: "Under the radar is not anymore. We have a very good line, but he has really good vision and good balance. We go into scrimmages with ourselves in the spring. When Dimitri's in there, those things go 60 [yards]; when some of the other guys are in there, they go six with the same blocking."

The size of the offensive line is a knock on the Trojans backs. It averages about 290 pounds per man, but a good running back must still find and read the holes.

"Once they get past the line of scrimmage, that line ain't going 10 yards down the field," said South Grand Prairie coach David Fisher, whose team beat Trinity but gave up 228 yards to Nance. "At that point, a back's instincts take over. Nance has the ability to run over people, around people, by people.

"He finishes everything he runs. There may be times around the goal line when you have a guy in position and he just runs through them. You can't coach that, you're either a physical guy with that mentality or you're not."

IN THE KNOW

A measure of his talent

How Dimitri Nance's rushing totals this season compare with statistics for the 11 running backs in the Star-Telegram preseason State 100 recruiting list:


Player, School (where committed) Ht. Wt. Car. Yds. TDs
Dimitri Nance, Trinity 5-10 195 203 2,134 30
Jamaal Evans, Irving 5-9 175 264 1,793 12
Baron Batch, Midland (Texas Tech) 5-10 170 184 1,591 21
Antwan Cobb, Pflugerville 6-0 200 162 1,372 10
Derke Robinson, Hebron (Texas) 6-1 205 163 1,298 12
Vondrell McGee, Longview, (Texas) 5-9 180 144 1,235 16
Emmanuel Moody, Coppell (Texas) 6-1 195 169 1,141 14
Trent Hines, Midland Lee, (Texas A&M) 6-2 205 174 987 10
Michael Goodson, Klein Collins, (Okla. St.) 6-0 195 99 973 8
Donte Bean, North Garland 5-9 180 191 968 12
Cornell Tarrant, Dallas Samuel 5-11 185 129 587 7
Latreal Cooper, Cuero, (Texas A&M) 6-2 200 72 347 8
Damn Trojan..........thats a pretty impressive post:cool: . Well just have to see what lonny has to say when gets back to the boards.:D

nathan00427
12-05-2005, 08:24 PM
I dont think it is over the top - it wasn't like Malone didn't have a great year. I mean he is probably the best power forward of all time - (debatable) and here we are talking about a guy running behind the "biggest and best O-line" possibly in history but at least definitely since the " 97 Katy team". So how can I not attribute the majority of his success to that o-line ? maybe they should get 5a poy as a unit. 3,000 yards is definitely impressive but according to the Trojan faithful that line makes all the difference.

i've watched 8 or 9 of trinitys games this year, and it is a combination of the line and dimitri.

like, the line generally gets him to the linebackers/secondary untouched, but not a whole lot after that. dimitri has made a lot of these incredible runs on his own, by juking or running over linebackers and members of the secondary. if he was an average back, he'd get about 5 yards per carry. hes phenomenal though, so hes getting around 10. hes very deserving (along with mcelroy) for at least a share of the 5a player of the year award.

drgnbkr
12-05-2005, 08:30 PM
ssshhhhh don't tell the others man - I can't have the SLC faithful knowing that most of the time I just try to get under their skin. the truth is the truth. You can't knock this kid for what he has done. I really hope he gets his offer he wants from Stanford.

Nobody can handle the truth! Did'nt you hear Jack Nicholson?..:D

lonny23
12-05-2005, 08:36 PM
I dont know where you are getting this slow start stuff from. Since the I-Mac game, Trinity has scored a TD on its first possesion of each game except last week. Trinity has a very difficult ground game to contain. They do not rely on the big play, rather they just move their way down field chipping away with runs of 3 yards then 5 yards then 4 yards then 7 yards then a 10 yard run followed by another 5 yard run followed by another 10-15 yard run then they will hit you with the play action followed by a TD. This offense is very difficult to contain for 48 mins. They are going to get their points and they are going to get their yards. SGP has every bit as good a defense as Judson has and Trinity still rushed for over 300 yards on them and scored 28 points. That was probably the worst offensive game Trinity has played all year and they still moved the ball well and scored points. Against I-Mac they had at least 2 chances to score but didnt, one was a dropped pass on a trick play and the other was at the end of the game when Coach Lineweaver took a knee inside I-Mac's 5 yard line.
I love your homersim Lonny, but you sound like a fool to say Trinity will only score 7 pts, you have not seen them play once. All you have to go on is what other people post as well as newspaper clippings. I think a lot of your information is skewed. Im not saying Trinity will blow Judson out, but I can honestly say Judson will not hold Trinity to under 200 yards rushing. If you think you have them beat by stopping the running game, then you are in for a surprise. Vittatoe can beat you with his arm. He has not needed it as much this year as he did last year, but he is still very dangerous. Trinity has a great TE and some very big athletic receivers, Judson will get lulled into the PA and Vittatoe will bust a big one on the Rockets this week.
This running game is the cloeset thing to 96 Lewisville as I have seen. I firmly believe it can't be stopped.
Also Trinity only does have 11 turnoves on the year.
Slow start was not meant to be whether they scored first or not. I was just saying their play in the first half doesn't match some of the 2nd half efforts. You want to play good after halftime, but they've needed it a fair number of times.

Maybe they can't be stopped. I think Judson has a better defense than SGP. It wasn't an accident they held that Westfield bunch to almost 300 yards under their average. Westfield scored a lot this year in many ways and got 7 off of their offense and 7 more on a punt return that should've never counted because of a clip.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 08:39 PM
Exactly, get where the blindfolded in a minefield analogy comes from. There's nothing wrong with saying u think ur team is going to win or what score, just dont claim u came to this conclusion based on a accurated analysis of the numbers. Just say u think *JUDSON IS REALLY AWESOME* and you'll actually come off better.
You're right it's much more than numbers. I'm trying to use as many resources as I can. That's hard when you're stuck over here and can't even watch videos. I reported what I felt like the stats told me.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 08:44 PM
Lonny, those are all fair if not bad reasons that you think you think Judson will win. But that is not the point. The point is is that you shouldn't post as though you were unbiased. Even if Trinity was a complete favorite and nobody thought Judson was going to win, you would still find enough meaningless facts to support a Judson win because you're a fan.
I'll be 100% honest with you. Champ asked right after the SW game who I thought would win and I made some comments about Judson winning, but I thought they might lose. When I started digging into stuff, I came to the conclusion, "There's no way they're going to lose." I know it's football and weird stuff happens, etc. but I honestly don't see how ET will beat a more well-rounded team. In the State Finals, you have to have more to go on than an offense that just pummels people.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 08:45 PM
man great minds think alike. I had not seen your post when I started posting mine. Must be something in that Denton County water system :D
Whatever it is, they need to fix it FAST!:p

lonny23
12-05-2005, 08:48 PM
well there you have it. Call Coach Rackley and tell him to forget it. We just won't show up because Goliath is coming to town - yet another Goliath - I seem to remember hearing all of this last week when the annointed D1 champion was coming to town and Judson would be shocked. Judson had no chance. - They had no chance to make the playoffs because of the point spread they needed - It is hopeless. Stay home Judson stay home and I won't bother to make the Drive from Keller either because it will just be pointless against this "unstoppable" team that has no state championships - lost to South Grand Prarie and has the best line since KAty of 97. It is hopeless- There will be no mighty ducks - no little engine that could - no rocky -- no cinderella man those are all just fantasies. No Pistons over the Lakers for the NBA title - it just isn't gonna happen. We have been shown stats - reminded of our meager record and small size -- reminded that we have no star players no standout performances. I will stay home and cut the grass.
I seem to remember David picking up 5 rocks. We still have 1 left!:D

lonny23
12-05-2005, 08:52 PM
I'm just gonna say it some of Judson's fan, even some of the most decorated have actually been sounding like the Westfield fans thinking they already played the D1 state championship game. Thats just asking for trouble!
I'm not like the Westfield game, because they didn't even consider matchups. I've thought about how our quick defense will play against your glaciers. We're still the underdog in the polls, so it's not like we can just show up and win. I hoped this would be a good discussion and I think so far it's been OK. You guys are great, but you're tooting your own horn, too. That's fine with me. You believe in Trinity and I believe in Judson.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 08:53 PM
Exhibit L :D !
That's right. Lonny at his finest!:p

lonny23
12-05-2005, 08:57 PM
I knew the useless word was coming. Is all this mess about us losing 1 game coming from a bunch that has lost 4???? We will see if they can stop the 5A player of the year!! No one else has we;ll see.:D :D
I agree, using that phrase is useless!:D

Judson fans and bandwagon Judson fans, please don't call them useless. That just makes things worse and causes fights. Let's disagree over the X's and O's.

Crank_It
12-05-2005, 09:01 PM
now look what you've done lonny!:D haha, my prediction is judson by 7

lonny23
12-05-2005, 09:03 PM
I am seriously thinking about it. With Lufkin and SLC being as far away as they are. This game sounds very tempting. Last time I was at a Judson state title game, a state record for most points scored by a winning team was accomplished (only to have our cross town rivals top that record by 1 pt the following year).
You're bad luck and you're welcome to stay away!:D You're also welcome to not post for a week after telling me I was right!:p

RocketQB
12-05-2005, 09:04 PM
i can live with 11 turnovers (im sure judson has close to or more than that)

judsons d might be better than trinity's, i havent seen so i dont know.

trinity doesn't really punt at all, so saying they dont punt well is a non-factor.

trinity's special teams has been solid all year. no huge plays (other than when kickoffs go dimitri's way), but not many negative plays either

trinity's D has scored 2 touchdowns of their own, and forced 26 turnovers, which isn't shabby either.

trinity doesnt really kick, but when the kicker is called upon he makes his kicks (1/1!)

you're insulting the haka? what does that have to do with anything once game starts?

finally, judson beat westfield WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER DURING THE SECOND HALF.

why dont you talk up how good judson is instead of trying to bash trinity. people keep overlooking....THEY LOST 4 TIMES THIS YEAR. trinity BARELY lost ONCE. why does that always seem to be forgotten?

You say Judson beat Westfield without their best player during the second half. Well, injuries happen! Not taking anything away from Beasley because he is a great player; however, he did not move the ball when he was in the game. Westfield did not score until after the backup came in. Also, you say people overlook the fact that Judson lost 4 times this year? No one overlooked that fact. It's part of the record. I can say this. During those 4 loses, Judson had anywhere from 6 to 13 players out during those games. They just never use "not having their starters" as an excuse when they lose. Now everyone is back and they are back on their game. Finally, you say Trinity barely lost once, well a "barely" lost is still a lost, right?

lonny23
12-05-2005, 09:31 PM
Damn Trojan..........thats a pretty impressive post:cool: . Well just have to see what lonny has to say when gets back to the boards.:D
I read that yesterday. Nance is a great back. I still say he won't run all over Judson like those other teams. Judson just flat-out has a better defense than those DFW teams.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 09:35 PM
now look what you've done lonny!:D haha, my prediction is judson by 7
Hey, I was reading a bunch of stuff about how they're going to beat us by 20, score more than 40, etc. and I had to pull a Fox News and be, "Fair and Balanced!":p

farmerfan
12-05-2005, 11:35 PM
Slow start was not meant to be whether they scored first or not. I was just saying their play in the first half doesn't match some of the 2nd half efforts. You want to play good after halftime, but they've needed it a fair number of times.

Maybe they can't be stopped. I think Judson has a better defense than SGP. It wasn't an accident they held that Westfield bunch to almost 300 yards under their average. Westfield scored a lot this year in many ways and got 7 off of their offense and 7 more on a punt return that should've never counted because of a clip.


how do you know a clip should have been called? your litterally half way around the world and their are no television broadcast of semifinal games. That statement right there is just laughable.

You think Judson has a better defense than SGP? how would you know being out in k-stan? tell me which SGP game did you see? how can you judge someone when you have yet to even see them play?

farmerfan
12-05-2005, 11:37 PM
Slow start was not meant to be whether they scored first or not. I was just saying their play in the first half doesn't match some of the 2nd half efforts. You want to play good after halftime, but they've needed it a fair number of times.

Maybe they can't be stopped. I think Judson has a better defense than SGP. It wasn't an accident they held that Westfield bunch to almost 300 yards under their average. Westfield scored a lot this year in many ways and got 7 off of their offense and 7 more on a punt return that should've never counted because of a clip.


Minus the AMC game there play in the 1st half has been exceptional. They had over 20 at the half against Ridge, they had 42 at hte half agaisnt PESH, they had around 50 at the half against Franklin. I have no idea where you are getting this wild idea of they get off to slow starts from. Once again showing how your information is very skewed.

farmerfan
12-05-2005, 11:45 PM
I'll be 100% honest with you. Champ asked right after the SW game who I thought would win and I made some comments about Judson winning, but I thought they might lose. When I started digging into stuff, I came to the conclusion, "There's no way they're going to lose." I know it's football and weird stuff happens, etc. but I honestly don't see how ET will beat a more well-rounded team. In the State Finals, you have to have more to go on than an offense that just pummels people.

More well rounded? What exactly is it about Judson that makes them a more well rounded team than Trinity or anyone they have played? I love how you seem to be overlooking other factors as Judson's offense plays into the strentgth of Trinity's defense. Trinity is very good at stopping the run. Its not like Judson is some kind of pass happy team. Trinity has stopped any team this year that ran the football.
You want to talk about well rounded. Trinity's offense is very well rounded. With Nance having the season he is having, most people tend to forget how good Lederrick Handy is. This guy has also rushed for 1000 yards averaging no more than 10 carries a game. He is a big weapon that is in my mind a better back than Nance. He is quicker and stronger and will flat run you over. Trinity also has a very capable QB in Trevor Vittatoe who has a outstanding arm and makes great defcisions. He has a good TE, as well as a few good receivers to throw to. Trinity has killed just about everyone they have played this year with the pass. By doing this, you cant just crowd the line of scrimmage and expect to stop their offense. Once you realize you have to respect the pass, they wiill bust another big running play on you.
Keep believing that all Trinity is, is a offense that just pummels people, of course not having seen them play at all this year, I would expect you to state false claims about them. Doesnt shock me one bit.

farmerfan
12-05-2005, 11:50 PM
I read that yesterday. Nance is a great back. I still say he won't run all over Judson like those other teams. Judson just flat-out has a better defense than those DFW teams.


PESH, SGP, I-Mac and DeSoto all have good defenses. That is purely opinion on your part to say Judson has a better defense than those DFW teams. Also Trinity ran wild on both Midland and Tyler Lee as well as wore down Consol while Nance racked up another 200 yard rushing day. Coach Lineweaver is a offensive genius, he will have this offense ready for anything and everything Judson will throw at them this week.

TrojanHorse03
12-05-2005, 11:54 PM
First of all o I want to thank u Lonny for what u are doing, so don't take my comments about u not seeing the 2 teams as much the wrong way. Let me say even though I'm a strong Trinity backer let me clear up a few things. Westfield losing their QB was big, but I kept hearing about how Iraq didnt have weapons of mass destruction but Westfield sure did. Judson's defense is good, Westfield's "loaded" offense shouldn't of completely folded as as result of the loss of Beasley. Come playoff time injuries happen and you must account for them. Judson defense believe it or not no, hot air is better and certainly faster than SGP. The theme of this week is saving their best game for last and taking their game to yet another level and show how much we grown since SGP. By the way Lonny I'm gonna warn u of this one more time like Moses to pharoah, the misconceptions of Trinity will work in our favor again. I was nice enough to provide u with heights and weights, if Judson underestimates the athleticism of our offensive line and that they just lean on people at the snap of the people, the rockets will be on their @ss! Also our defense and special teams is championship caliber as well, I don't even care if you think they are weak, becasue thats what everybody's been thinking :D , c my point now, there going to be weak untill the finish the job. Great Evaluator could u do them a favor and provide them with a link to insidehighschoolfootball so at the very least the can see how fast those icebergs are getting to the next level.

lonny23
12-05-2005, 11:58 PM
how do you know a clip should have been called? your litterally half way around the world and their are no television broadcast of semifinal games. That statement right there is just laughable.

You think Judson has a better defense than SGP? how would you know being out in k-stan? tell me which SGP game did you see? how can you judge someone when you have yet to even see them play?
I have my sources.;) Don't go Johnnie Cochran on me!;)

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:00 AM
Minus the AMC game there play in the 1st half has been exceptional. They had over 20 at the half against Ridge, they had 42 at hte half agaisnt PESH, they had around 50 at the half against Franklin. I have no idea where you are getting this wild idea of they get off to slow starts from. Once again showing how your information is very skewed.
They've played 14 games. I'm not just talking about the playoffs. I listened to that Franklin game on the radio and they didn't score 50 at the half in my time zone!:p They got 35 points in the 3rd quarter.:D

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:06 AM
More well rounded? What exactly is it about Judson that makes them a more well rounded team than Trinity or anyone they have played? I love how you seem to be overlooking other factors as Judson's offense plays into the strentgth of Trinity's defense. Trinity is very good at stopping the run. Its not like Judson is some kind of pass happy team. Trinity has stopped any team this year that ran the football.
You want to talk about well rounded. Trinity's offense is very well rounded. With Nance having the season he is having, most people tend to forget how good Lederrick Handy is. This guy has also rushed for 1000 yards averaging no more than 10 carries a game. He is a big weapon that is in my mind a better back than Nance. He is quicker and stronger and will flat run you over. Trinity also has a very capable QB in Trevor Vittatoe who has a outstanding arm and makes great defcisions. He has a good TE, as well as a few good receivers to throw to. Trinity has killed just about everyone they have played this year with the pass. By doing this, you cant just crowd the line of scrimmage and expect to stop their offense. Once you realize you have to respect the pass, they wiill bust another big running play on you.
Keep believing that all Trinity is, is a offense that just pummels people, of course not having seen them play at all this year, I would expect you to state false claims about them. Doesnt shock me one bit.
Hey, I know exactly how many yards they have in the air. They don't throw a lot, but get like 20 yards an attempt. They do pound you and throw some. I said nothing wrong. I believe in being responsible for my word. I'm not a fly-by-night guy around here. I don't make picks on games without doing some research before talking. Yes, I say stuff in passing sometimes, but when I start giving reasons for a team to win and stuff, you know I went back to analyze a little.

TrojanHorse03
12-06-2005, 12:15 AM
They've played 14 games. I'm not just talking about the playoffs. I listened to that Franklin game on the radio and they didn't score 50 at the half in my time zone!:p They got 35 points in the 3rd quarter.:D

It was 21 in the first half vs. Franklin. 56 vs. Midland Lee. 50 vs. Irving.
35 vs GP. And 42 vs. PESH. If I wasn't so lazy I'd do that math on what the average score is in the first quarter and first half, but i can say with confidence we average around 20 or more points in the first half. But here's my question ur suggesting that Trinity starts slow, but are u suggesting the Judson starts faster :D. LOL Trinity honestly might average in the first half, more than half as much as Judson does over the course of entire game this year. But I will say this the game will be interesting. Having studied Judson on tape the thing thats sticks with me is a ton of speed on both sides of the ball. I will sing the honest truth though, Judson's defense is better and faster than SGP, and our offense couldnt love it more. They are anxious to show how much they have grown since SGP. I think the 4 underrated units in this game, the trinity defense, the judson, offense, and both special team units will also provided some memorable battles.

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:17 AM
PESH, SGP, I-Mac and DeSoto all have good defenses. That is purely opinion on your part to say Judson has a better defense than those DFW teams. Also Trinity ran wild on both Midland and Tyler Lee as well as wore down Consol while Nance racked up another 200 yard rushing day. Coach Lineweaver is a offensive genius, he will have this offense ready for anything and everything Judson will throw at them this week.
All I know is this is what Judson gave up yard wise in these games this year:

Cove 242
SV 153
Westfield 113

THAT'S why I said they have a better defense. Those are top teams!

farmerfan
12-06-2005, 12:21 AM
Hey, I know exactly how many yards they have in the air. They don't throw a lot, but get like 20 yards an attempt. They do pound you and throw some. I said nothing wrong. I believe in being responsible for my word. I'm not a fly-by-night guy around here. I don't make picks on games without doing some research before talking. Yes, I say stuff in passing sometimes, but when I start giving reasons for a team to win and stuff, you know I went back to analyze a little.

Well then please inform me on how Judson is more well rounded than Trinity? Tell me who at QB for Judson can throw the football as good as Trevor Vittatoe? Does Judson have a two headed monster in the backfield that has yet to be stopped this year?
The one are Judson has a advantage on Trinity is on the defensive side of the football, however it is not a large advantage. Trinity is a good defensive football team and as I stated above the strentghs of Judson play right into the hands of this Trinity offense.
Where the big difference lies is in the offense. Trinity has a huge advantage over Judson on the offensive side of the ball. Trinity has more weapons and they use them adequately. But then again I guess reading newspapers and listening to the radio qualifies you as a great judge on outcomes of games.
You have done nothing to prove you analyzed why Judson is going to win. It is your opinion on thinking Judson will win, however it shows pure hommerism to suggest Judson will beat Trinity 24-7, suggesting that score shows to me you have not done much research.

farmerfan
12-06-2005, 12:22 AM
All I know is this is what Judson gave up yard wise in these games this year:

Cove 242
SV 153
Westfield 113

THAT'S why I said they have a better defense. Those are top teams!

That same SV team who made it to the finals didnt even crack 100 yards of total offense against Carroll.

TrojanHorse03
12-06-2005, 12:24 AM
Well then please inform me on how Judson is more well rounded than Trinity? Tell me who at QB for Judson can throw the football as good as Trevor Vittatoe? Does Judson have a two headed monster in the backfield that has yet to be stopped this year?
The one are Judson has a advantage on Trinity is on the defensive side of the football, however it is not a large advantage. Trinity is a good defensive football team and as I stated above the strentghs of Judson play right into the hands of this Trinity offense.
Where the big difference lies is in the offense. Trinity has a huge advantage over Judson on the offensive side of the ball. Trinity has more weapons and they use them adequately. But then again I guess reading newspapers and listening to the radio qualifies you as a great judge on outcomes of games.
You have done nothing to prove you analyzed why Judson is going to win. It is your opinion on thinking Judson will win, however it shows pure hommerism to suggest Judson will beat Trinity 24-7, suggesting that score shows to me you have not done much research.

Yeah my only problem is your evidence to suggest Judson is more well rounded than Trinity, is well...LACKING.

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:24 AM
First of all o I want to thank u Lonny for what u are doing, so don't take my comments about u not seeing the 2 teams as much the wrong way. Let me say even though I'm a strong Trinity backer let me clear up a few things. Westfield losing their QB was big, but I kept hearing about how Iraq didnt have weapons of mass destruction but Westfield sure did. Judson's defense is good, Westfield's "loaded" offense shouldn't of completely folded as as result of the loss of Beasley. Come playoff time injuries happen and you must account for them. Judson defense believe it or not no, hot air is better and certainly faster than SGP. The theme of this week is saving their best game for last and taking their game to yet another level and show how much we grown since SGP. By the way Lonny I'm gonna warn u of this one more time like Moses to pharoah, the misconceptions of Trinity will work in our favor again. I was nice enough to provide u with heights and weights, if Judson underestimates the athleticism of our offensive line and that they just lean on people at the snap of the people, the rockets will be on their @ss! Also our defense and special teams is championship caliber as well, I don't even care if you think they are weak, becasue thats what everybody's been thinking :D , c my point now, there going to be weak untill the finish the job. Great Evaluator could u do them a favor and provide them with a link to insidehighschoolfootball so at the very least the can see how fast those icebergs are getting to the next level.
I don't think you guys have a weak defense, but there will be a meeting in the middle. Judson has a great defense and you have a great offense. There's a good chance we can't keep the same numbers on defense as some games, but you guys won't put up the same offensive numbers as usual, either. Since you won't have the ball as much, your defense will look worse than normal, but not terrible. I see it all adding up to a Judson win and it's fine you don't. You're doing a pretty good job discussing the game.

I don't want anybody to think I'm saying that your guys can't move because it's obvious they can. You can run with brute strength, but you guys obviously have a little more because you pass block good enough to throw the ball down the field on occasion.

TrojanHorse03
12-06-2005, 12:27 AM
I don't think you guys have a weak defense, but there will be a meeting in the middle. Judson has a great defense and you have a great offense. There's a good chance we can't keep the same numbers on defense as some games, but you guys won't put up the same offensive numbers as usual, either. Since you won't have the ball as much, your defense will look worse than normal, but not terrible. I see it all adding up to a Judson win and it's fine you don't. You're doing a pretty good job discussing the game.

I don't want anybody to think I'm saying that your guys can't move because it's obvious they can. You can run with brute strength, but you guys obviously have a little more because you pass block good enough to throw the ball down the field on occasion.

I actually agree with that statement. This game will be won in preparation, who can play above and beyond what they have done all year.

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:27 AM
It was 21 in the first half vs. Franklin. 56 vs. Midland Lee. 50 vs. Irving.
35 vs GP. And 42 vs. PESH. If I wasn't so lazy I'd do that math on what the average score is in the first quarter and first half, but i can say with confidence we average around 20 or more points in the first half. But here's my question ur suggesting that Trinity starts slow, but are u suggesting the Judson starts faster :D. LOL Trinity honestly might average in the first half, more than half as much as Judson does over the course of entire game this year. But I will say this the game will be interesting. Having studied Judson on tape the thing thats sticks with me is a ton of speed on both sides of the ball. I will sing the honest truth though, Judson's defense is better and faster than SGP, and our offense couldnt love it more. They are anxious to show how much they have grown since SGP. I think the 4 underrated units in this game, the trinity defense, the judson, offense, and both special team units will also provided some memorable battles.
Good post. I never said it before, but I'm banking on our speed beating your strength.

my3sons
12-06-2005, 12:30 AM
If you flip the teams, I would agree.

I don't think Judson will win it.
I don't think Katy will lose it.
I do think that SLC will crumble.


What makes you think SLC will crumble? Was it the previous 61 wins or the 1 loss in 62 games?

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:30 AM
Well then please inform me on how Judson is more well rounded than Trinity? Tell me who at QB for Judson can throw the football as good as Trevor Vittatoe? Does Judson have a two headed monster in the backfield that has yet to be stopped this year?
The one are Judson has a advantage on Trinity is on the defensive side of the football, however it is not a large advantage. Trinity is a good defensive football team and as I stated above the strentghs of Judson play right into the hands of this Trinity offense.
Where the big difference lies is in the offense. Trinity has a huge advantage over Judson on the offensive side of the ball. Trinity has more weapons and they use them adequately. But then again I guess reading newspapers and listening to the radio qualifies you as a great judge on outcomes of games.
You have done nothing to prove you analyzed why Judson is going to win. It is your opinion on thinking Judson will win, however it shows pure hommerism to suggest Judson will beat Trinity 24-7, suggesting that score shows to me you have not done much research.
There's another thing you're not considering and that's who Trinity is playing. I can give you stats and a bunch of other stuff, but the fact remains that Judson finds ways to win games. They make plays when they need to. You don't know where it's coming from.

}THS{LaNcEr
12-06-2005, 12:30 AM
i just wanna know, mr. 24-7.

where will your precious rockets be getting 24 points from?

wait...let me get this straight...you're saying that their offense is going to get 24 points?

well now that's silly.
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There's another thing you're not considering and that's who Trinity is playing. I can give you stats and a bunch of other stuff, but the fact remains that Judson finds ways to win games. They make plays when they need to. You don't know where it's coming from.


please...please...put up stats. in the legal world, your argument is worthless because you base it on opinions and empty statements. use numbers to reinforce your theory.

TrojanHorse03
12-06-2005, 12:32 AM
Good post. I never said it before, but I'm banking on our speed beating your strength.

Only one problem, thats what everybdy thought the battle is versus Trinity. Trinity has plenty of strength, but the most overall athletcism I've ever seen at Trinity. Judson has more speed on either side of the ball than us and any team we've played this year. But much like UT were not a fun team to play on both sides of the ball, cause both of our lines are just plain nasty. Many speedy teams have just got worn to a nub by us.

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:34 AM
That same SV team who made it to the finals didnt even crack 100 yards of total offense against Carroll.
If we're talking about last year, SLC still had to score 10 in the 4th to win by 3. It doesn't matter what the numbers said that game. I'm a numbers guy, but they aren't everything and that's especially true for Judson, SV, and Katy.

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:35 AM
Yeah my only problem is your evidence to suggest Judson is more well rounded than Trinity, is well...LACKING.
OK, you guys are heavier. That should make you more well-rounded!:p

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:37 AM
What makes you think SLC will crumble? Was it the previous 61 wins or the 1 loss in 62 games?
I started a thread about 3 games and this discussion died for some reason. I don't see them crumbling. Those guys are HARD to beat.

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:38 AM
i just wanna know, mr. 24-7.

where will your precious rockets be getting 24 points from?

wait...let me get this straight...you're saying that their offense is going to get 24 points?

well now that's silly.
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please...please...put up stats. in the legal world, your argument is worthless because you base it on opinions and empty statements. use numbers to reinforce your theory.
They'll get at least 1 TD off of a return and I bet they pass for a TD, too. All I need is 1 more TD and a FG.

farmerfan
12-06-2005, 12:38 AM
There's another thing you're not considering and that's who Trinity is playing. I can give you stats and a bunch of other stuff, but the fact remains that Judson finds ways to win games. They make plays when they need to. You don't know where it's coming from.

And who is Judson playing? Trinity has played just as many solid football teams as Judson has. You benefited from a cake walk to the state semifinals, so dont come on here talking to me like Trinity has played a soft schedult while Judson was rolling top competition. Fact is Trinity just beat AMC by a larger margin than anyone in their district did and that includes Cove. I guess Trinity doesnt find ways to win games. I guess Judson is the only team to ever make a state championship game who finds way to win games, in fact they are the only team to ever make it to a title game with a winning record because they find ways to win games. They are also the only team who has ever made plays when they needed to. All other teams just fold and dont know how to win games or make plays. Thanks for the information I know find myself to be even smarter than I once thought.

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:40 AM
Only one problem, thats what everybdy thought the battle is versus Trinity. Trinity has plenty of strength, but the most overall athletcism I've ever seen at Trinity. Judson has more speed on either side of the ball than us and any team we've played this year. But much like UT were not a fun team to play on both sides of the ball, cause both of our lines are just plain nasty. Many speedy teams have just got worn to a nub by us.
Judson plays like I post. They just keep fighting. I've got like 3 or 4 of you guys in here right now!:D They're going to keep coming back and have the heart of a champion.

lonny23
12-06-2005, 12:43 AM
And who is Judson playing? Trinity has played just as many solid football teams as Judson has. You benefited from a cake walk to the state semifinals, so dont come on here talking to me like Trinity has played a soft schedult while Judson was rolling top competition. Fact is Trinity just beat AMC by a larger margin than anyone in their district did and that includes Cove. I guess Trinity doesnt find ways to win games. I guess Judson is the only team to ever make a state championship game who finds way to win games, in fact they are the only team to ever make it to a title game with a winning record because they find ways to win games. They are also the only team who has ever made plays when they needed to. All other teams just fold and dont know how to win games or make plays. Thanks for the information I know find myself to be even smarter than I once thought.
I'm glad I can be of assistance!:D

TrojanHorse03
12-06-2005, 12:48 AM
Judson plays like I post. They just keep fighting. I've got like 3 or 4 of you guys in here right now!:D They're going to keep coming back and have the heart of a champion.

You'll find out on saturday, unfortunately too late, that Trinity has had to fight for every thing they've ever got. If u guys beat us it'll because ur just better than us. JUDSON WILL NOT OUTWORK TRINITY FOR A WIN!

bullrock
12-06-2005, 08:23 AM
Here's my take. Judson won't have trouble with the huge offensive line. They won't have trouble with the defensive line and our DB's will cover the receivers. We'll get some points whether it's with the defense, special teams or offense. The one achilles heal, in my mind, is Nance. I rememeber 13 years ago when we last met this team we had a running back that tore them up. They knew where the ball was going to go before it was snapped and they couldn't do anything about. Maybe a little "Deja Vu"? One thing all defenses underestimate is the ability of a great back, and Nance is one, look at his production, they are better than Jerods, is to make the play. Whether it's running around you or over you. It appears to me this kid is the show as Beasley was for WF. If, and this is a big if, we can figure out a way to neutralize him then that should make the playing field a little more even. I'm looking forward to watching this kid play. He is what our offense is missing this year.

Jtate862003
12-06-2005, 08:36 AM
I will take Judson over trinity as well.........Speed kills..........Lee played trinity last year in the semis and i think this jusdson team is really similiar to lee.......

Judson 24

Trinity 17

implacable44
12-06-2005, 08:38 AM
And who is Judson playing? Trinity has played just as many solid football teams as Judson has. You benefited from a cake walk to the state semifinals, so dont come on here talking to me like Trinity has played a soft schedult while Judson was rolling top competition. Fact is Trinity just beat AMC by a larger margin than anyone in their district did and that includes Cove. I guess Trinity doesnt find ways to win games. I guess Judson is the only team to ever make a state championship game who finds way to win games, in fact they are the only team to ever make it to a title game with a winning record because they find ways to win games. They are also the only team who has ever made plays when they needed to. All other teams just fold and dont know how to win games or make plays. Thanks for the information I know find myself to be even smarter than I once thought.

blah blah blah blah farmer fan - blah blah blah puke trojan 03 blah blah blah vomit gasp this lancer sigh - balh balh comit - gargle gargle puke -

that is all I can understand when you guys talk - blah blah blah HUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLL

give me proof -show me stats show me this -- Saturday can't come fast enough.

TrojanHorse03
12-06-2005, 08:46 AM
blah blah blah blah farmer fan - blah blah blah puke trojan 03 blah blah blah vomit gasp this lancer sigh - balh balh comit - gargle gargle puke -

that is all I can understand when you guys talk - blah blah blah HUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLL

give me proof -show me stats show me this -- Saturday can't come fast enough.

Thats funny how selective hearing works, actually we have no compulsion to prove anythingto u, the team will take care of dat just fine. But I cant wait to ur off the message boards for a year either :D !

TrojanHorse03
12-06-2005, 08:48 AM
I will take Judson over trinity as well.........Speed kills..........Lee played trinity last year in the semis and i think this jusdson team is really similiar to lee.......


Only one problem '05 Trinity is better than both of those teams that played in the semis last year. But heres to hoping the Judson football team thinks were as good as last year, so shhhh :D !

implacable44
12-06-2005, 08:52 AM
Thats funny how selective hearing works, actually we have no compulsion to prove anythingto u, the team will take care of dat just fine. But I cant wait to ur off the message boards for a year either :D !

you must be ******** or something - I am no coward. Judson loses and I will be here the same - I will recognize the Trinity football team as D1 state champs with their first state championship ...ever. I might remind you of the 52-0 pounding Judson gave you last time while doing so but I will recognize your victory SHOULD it happen all the same. -as for you -I don't expect to see you for some time after we do the SEVEN.

TrojanHorse03
12-06-2005, 08:55 AM
you must be ******** or something - I am no coward. Judson loses and I will be here the same - I will recognize the Trinity football team as D1 state champs with their first state championship ...ever. I might remind you of the 52-0 pounding Judson gave you last time while doing so but I will recognize your victory SHOULD it happen all the same. -as for you -I don't expect to see you for some time after we do the SEVEN.

No I was here after our only loss for this year. However considering the way ur offense has played this year SEVEN points might be a little much.

implacable44
12-06-2005, 09:23 AM
No I was here after our only loss for this year. However considering the way ur offense has played this year SEVEN points might be a little much.


you are right - that offense just sucks - terrible offense --yet they are in the state championship game - wow -

TrojanWebman
12-06-2005, 09:38 AM
You say Judson beat Westfield without their best player during the second half. Well, injuries happen! Not taking anything away from Beasley because he is a great player; however, he did not move the ball when he was in the game. Westfield did not score until after the backup came in. Also, you say people overlook the fact that Judson lost 4 times this year? No one overlooked that fact. It's part of the record. I can say this. During those 4 loses, Judson had anywhere from 6 to 13 players out during those games. They just never use "not having their starters" as an excuse when they lose. Now everyone is back and they are back on their game. Finally, you say Trinity barely lost once, well a "barely" lost is still a lost, right?
Let's see:
(W.F.) 1 lost QB = 1 game loss - (lost player excuse) = 1 clear loss.
(Trinity) 1 close loss = 1 clear loss.
(Judson) 1 + 1 + 1 +1 close losses = 4 game losses - (lost player excuses) = game losses matter 0.

I'm starting to understand.

implacable44
12-06-2005, 09:43 AM
Let's see:
(W.F.) 1 lost QB = 1 game loss - (lost player excuse) = 1 clear loss.
(Trinity) 1 close loss = 1 clear loss.
(Judson) 1 + 1 + 1 +1 close losses = 4 game losses - (lost player excuses) = game losses matter 0.

I'm starting to understand.


records - statistics - all out the window - -all irrelevant. You know how many W's Trinity has against Judson ? Do you know how many yards Dimitri Nance has racked up against that Judson D? none - zip -- zilch -- zero -- nada -

TrojanHorse03
12-06-2005, 09:49 AM
Let's see:
(W.F.) 1 lost QB = 1 game loss - (lost player excuse) = 1 clear loss.
(Trinity) 1 close loss = 1 clear loss.
(Judson) 1 + 1 + 1 +1 close losses = 4 game losses - (lost player excuses) = game losses matter 0.

I'm starting to understand.

U know what the best part is, when we take a 3,000 yd rusher off the field, we can still line someone up in the backfield who has more yards than anyone at Judson.

TrojanWebman
12-06-2005, 09:51 AM
records - statistics - all out the window - -all irrelevant. You know how many W's Trinity has against Judson ? Do you know how many yards Dimitri Nance has racked up against that Judson D? none - zip -- zilch -- zero -- nada -
Actually, 'facts' are very relevant. Since there are too many variables to predict the outcome with great precision, the prediction is what is irrelevant.

The speed of your defense is irrelevant? Not hardly. Neither are the other 'real facts'. I am sure neither coach is ignoring the facts.

A prediction of 24-7, or whatever his 'analysis' indicated, is irrelevant.

IMHO.

I was just making note of how things are one way and then another depending on whether it works for you or against you. Hey I'm a homer too!!

implacable44
12-06-2005, 10:09 AM
Actually, 'facts' are very relevant. Since there are too many variables to predict the outcome with great precision, the prediction is what is irrelevant.

The speed of your defense is irrelevant? Not hardly. Neither are the other 'real facts'. I am sure neither coach is ignoring the facts.

A prediction of 24-7, or whatever his 'analysis' indicated, is irrelevant.

IMHO.

I was just making note of how things are one way and then another depending on whether it works for you or against you. Hey I'm a homer too!!

statistics are misleading and easy to manipulate. -- and just about every coach will tell you that all that means little when the game starts because the human factor comes into play. maybe somebody is really in the zone that day or maybe someone just isn't feeling it. Maybe some kid's girlfriend just told him she was pregnant - or maybe some kid got bad news and he just can't focus. -- too many variables that cannot be measured -- like i said the only statisitc that matters for judson is 6 soon to be 7 titles - 2 of them at the expense of the lowly and trophyless trinity trojans

implacable44
12-06-2005, 10:11 AM
U know what the best part is, when we take a 3,000 yd rusher off the field, we can still line someone up in the backfield who has more yards than anyone at Judson.

no you know what the even better part is ? 6 titles. that is the better part. and then knowing that Judson played trinity before and put a beat down on them. ha ha - blanked ina title game - " which way did Jerrod go ?"

and just as good as that is none of those yards - for either RB have come against Judson - not even 1 yard.

bugw09
12-06-2005, 11:09 AM
no you know what the even better part is ? 6 titles. that is the better part. and then knowing that Judson played trinity before and put a beat down on them. ha ha - blanked ina title game - " which way did Jerrod go ?"

and just as good as that is none of those yards - for either RB have come against Judson - not even 1 yard.


How many of those players that whooped are as$ are still on the team?

Oh and Lonny, I got much respect for you but farmerfan has handed it to you. We argue in such a way that the only winner here on the message board is the person that uses his facts and knowledge to prove the other person wrong to the best of his ability. We control nothing of the game so this is our playing field. FARMERFAN-35 LONNY-7


IMO, Lonny's only TD came from posting a bajillion times.

implacable44
12-06-2005, 12:08 PM
How many of those players that whooped are as$ are still on the team?

Oh and Lonny, I got much respect for you but farmerfan has handed it to you. We argue in such a way that the only winner here on the message board is the person that uses his facts and knowledge to prove the other person wrong to the best of his ability. We control nothing of the game so this is our playing field. FARMERFAN-35 LONNY-7


IMO, Lonny's only TD came from posting a bajillion times.

I don't know if any of them are still on the team that whooped is ( is that the appropriate present tense of are? ) a$$. What I do know is you live in Waco and Farmerfan who you are cosigning for lives in Denton and I don't think either of you have any allegiance to Euseless so I will assume that you are both bandwagon folks because you support a team that already lost and now you root for the metroplex to beat SA. Of course everyone knows which region is the strongest in Texas and which school in that region has the most 5a state championships.

as far as farmerfan beating lonny on analysis -- well aren't you just the unbiased observer?

dragonfootballfan
12-06-2005, 12:11 PM
What I do know is you live in Waco and Farmerfan who you are cosigning for lives in Denton and I don't think either of you have any allegiance to Euseless so I will assume that you are both bandwagon folks because you support a team that already lost and now you root for the metroplex to beat SA. ?
I know for a fact that both of these guys have supported Trinity from the beginning of the season

farmerfan
12-06-2005, 08:09 PM
blah blah blah blah farmer fan - blah blah blah puke trojan 03 blah blah blah vomit gasp this lancer sigh - balh balh comit - gargle gargle puke -

that is all I can understand when you guys talk - blah blah blah HUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLL

give me proof -show me stats show me this -- Saturday can't come fast enough.

so its ok for some Judson fan to say why he thinks someone is going to win. but when someone else comes up with a argument to why me might be wrong it is puke and garbage?
You have not offered up anything to suggest why Judson will win. You just attack those who think Trinity will win like a 3 year old child. Thats real mature. I guess we should all bow down to the greatness of Judson.

farmerfan
12-06-2005, 08:14 PM
I don't know if any of them are still on the team that whooped is ( is that the appropriate present tense of are? ) a$$. What I do know is you live in Waco and Farmerfan who you are cosigning for lives in Denton and I don't think either of you have any allegiance to Euseless so I will assume that you are both bandwagon folks because you support a team that already lost and now you root for the metroplex to beat SA. Of course everyone knows which region is the strongest in Texas and which school in that region has the most 5a state championships.

as far as farmerfan beating lonny on analysis -- well aren't you just the unbiased observer?


You are right. I dont have a affiliation to Euless or the Trinity program. However I have been a fan of their program for years. Lewisville and Trinity had a great rivalry going in the 90's, we played some great football games and a lot of respect is offered from both fans to the others. The fact that I live in Denton has nothing to do with who I support. I go to school at UNT in Denton. I am sure that bug09 went to Trinity and now goes to Baylor. I didnt realize you have to live in the city to be a fan. I guess that means by your logic that Lonny who lives closer to China than he does Converse is a bandwagon fan as well. I love how Judson and its fans get a free pass but anyone who might think they will lose is either a bandwagon fan or spewing out vomit. Grow up and bring some intellegent conversation to this board. Everyone else has and it has been a very civil and enjoyable discussion so far. We dont need someone like you to attempt to make this a trash talking thread. If that is what you want then go start your own.

farmerfan
12-06-2005, 08:16 PM
blah blah blah blah farmer fan - blah blah blah puke trojan 03 blah blah blah vomit gasp this lancer sigh - balh balh comit - gargle gargle puke -

that is all I can understand when you guys talk - blah blah blah HUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLL

give me proof -show me stats show me this -- Saturday can't come fast enough.

tell me, what exactly is wrong with what I had to say?

dragonsdaddy
12-06-2005, 08:27 PM
ff, take my advice and use the miracle that is the ignore function. you love it as soon as you do.

Shoot2thrill
12-06-2005, 08:41 PM
you are right - that offense just sucks - terrible offense --yet they are in the state championship game - wow -

I wouldn't say the offense sucks but it is gasping. Coju's offense isn't why they are where they are. As a team, they peaked at the right time and their D is superb. I still believe that Trinity takes this one by 7 though IMHO.:cool: And by the way, I know that you were being sarcastic.

drgnbkr
12-06-2005, 09:36 PM
ff, take my advice and use the miracle that is the ignore function. you love it as soon as you do.

What he said!

bugw09
12-06-2005, 10:21 PM
I don't know if any of them are still on the team that whooped is ( is that the appropriate present tense of are? ) a$$. What I do know is you live in Waco and Farmerfan who you are cosigning for lives in Denton and I don't think either of you have any allegiance to Euseless so I will assume that you are both bandwagon folks because you support a team that already lost and now you root for the metroplex to beat SA. Of course everyone knows which region is the strongest in Texas and which school in that region has the most 5a state championships.

as far as farmerfan beating lonny on analysis -- well aren't you just the unbiased observer?


Yea, you're right, I didn't graduate from Trinity last year. I don't know players on the team. I also have not been to any games this year especially the game that was here in Waco. I forgot that you weren't allowed to have an affiliation with a team unless you lived in the same city. MY BAD


Lonny lost. He won't ever admit it but stats wise, he lost. Ask any unbiased observer that is willing to speak agains the almighty Lonny.

TrojanHorse03
12-06-2005, 10:30 PM
To hell with what the Judson poster think, bug and farmer y'all know, ur support is very much appreciated. Y'all been more loyal to Trinity than some Judson backers have been to "rocket pride." Trinity has experienced more of its share a falling short since its gained contender status, and having shared those times with those of the Trinity community as well, u have earned the right to enjoy are quest for our first state title.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 10:05 AM
How many of those players that whooped are as$ are still on the team?

Oh and Lonny, I got much respect for you but farmerfan has handed it to you. We argue in such a way that the only winner here on the message board is the person that uses his facts and knowledge to prove the other person wrong to the best of his ability. We control nothing of the game so this is our playing field. FARMERFAN-35 LONNY-7


IMO, Lonny's only TD came from posting a bajillion times.
All Farmerfan has done this week is try to act like a lawyer. He asks questions to try to discredit what I said. He has stated things about Trinity, but has made no attempt to see what Judson can or can't do and match that to Trinity. Even one of the Trinity posters came back on here after watching film to say Judson is the fastest and best defense the Trojans will play all year.

Oh, yeah. You're talking about a guy who's watched 15 weeks of football this year and comparing him to a guy who didn't get to watch any games.

Be honest with us. You like what he said because it agrees with what you want to happen. You'll know the story when he can't post for 7 days.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 10:13 AM
All Farmerfan has done this week is try to act like a lawyer. He asks questions to try to discredit what I said. He has stated things about Trinity, but has made no attempt to see what Judson can or can't do and match that to Trinity. Even one of the Trinity posters came back on here after watching film to say Judson is the fastest and best defense the Trojans will play all year.

Oh, yeah. You're talking about a guy who's watched 15 weeks of football this year and comparing him to a guy who didn't get to watch any games.

Be honest with us. You like what he said because it agrees with what you want to happen. You'll know the story when he can't post for 7 days.

well unlike you, I dont post on things I have no clue about. For you to post on why Trinity does not match up well against Judson when you have not seen them play is not very credible. Also I have given my observations on Trinity's strengths. I have stated why Trinity is tough and will be tough to beat. But I have not commented on Judson since I have yet to see them play. I just think people need to realize you spew more useless information then anyone and dont have a clue on half of what you utter out in those billion post of yours. Half the things you say are repeats of what others say. You can call it playing lawyer or whatever however I was just curious how you could say something when you have yet to see it live or watch it. Thats not very credible but then again half of the things you say arent credible. Its going to be a lovely week next week.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 10:14 AM
Yea, you're right, I didn't graduate from Trinity last year. I don't know players on the team. I also have not been to any games this year especially the game that was here in Waco. I forgot that you weren't allowed to have an affiliation with a team unless you lived in the same city. MY BAD


Lonny lost. He won't ever admit it but stats wise, he lost. Ask any unbiased observer that is willing to speak agains the almighty Lonny.
I haven't lost a thing. When Judson wins, nobody is going to be calling me a loser.

Let me give you some advice. The only way you're going to build up respect on this board if you plan on sticking around is by respecting others. You're not going to do it by belittling or attacking people.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 10:25 AM
I haven't lost a thing. When Judson wins, nobody is going to be calling me a loser.

Let me give you some advice. The only way you're going to build up respect on this board if you plan on sticking around is by respecting others. You're not going to do it by belittling or attacking people.

gee considering the way you started out on this board, I don't think your the right one to be giving advice.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 10:29 AM
gee considering the way you started out on this board, I don't think your the right one to be giving advice.
How I started has no bearing on today. I am not what I once was and that's all that matters.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 10:31 AM
How I started has no bearing on today. I am not what I once was and that's all that matters.

well to criticize someone for not even attacking someone, when you did far worse, is pretty hypocritical.

bullrock
12-07-2005, 10:46 AM
This not my fight FF, but in exactly 6,998 posts you and Lonny will have the same amount of posts. That's a goal worth shooting for!

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 10:49 AM
This not my fight FF, but in exactly 6,998 posts you and Lonny will have the same amount of posts. That's a goal worth shooting for!

aint happening.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 11:02 AM
You are right. I dont have a affiliation to Euless or the Trinity program. However I have been a fan of their program for years. Lewisville and Trinity had a great rivalry going in the 90's, we played some great football games and a lot of respect is offered from both fans to the others. The fact that I live in Denton has nothing to do with who I support. I go to school at UNT in Denton. I am sure that bug09 went to Trinity and now goes to Baylor. I didnt realize you have to live in the city to be a fan. I guess that means by your logic that Lonny who lives closer to China than he does Converse is a bandwagon fan as well. I love how Judson and its fans get a free pass but anyone who might think they will lose is either a bandwagon fan or spewing out vomit. Grow up and bring some intellegent conversation to this board. Everyone else has and it has been a very civil and enjoyable discussion so far. We dont need someone like you to attempt to make this a trash talking thread. If that is what you want then go start your own.

Nothing is wrong with what you say or think. I don't even mind that you support Trinity - can't beat em - join em right ? I just wanted to make sure I wasn't dealing with a bandwagon bloke with nothing to cling to because his team is out of the playoffs. The one thing I have learned about the metroplex since moving here is it is a prideful bunch and it must suck to always be second to San Antonio - Be it highschool football ar the Spurs whooping on the Mavs - championships just seem to find there way down to San Antone.

As far as your rhetoric -- well after a while all of this or that analysis becomes kind of like liberal talking points - George Bush lied to go to war -- blah blah blah -- it just becomes vomit. The game is played on the field and all the analysis in the world won't help Trinity or Judson come Saturday. There are too many variables and immeasurables that come into play in competition with the human factor. You think you know who will win the game and so do I -- but they play the game for the reason. In other words - keep being a fan and analyzing but don't trust that those numbers will lead to a W. Trinity has played Judson once and got beat. this is the rematch with a completely new crop of kids that will play the game. The beauty of competition is that on any given day - anyone can win.

And I will second that - the ignore button works wonders - the only thing that has suffered since I put DragonsDaddy on block is the 5 cent words he looks up on his handy thesarus as he is ripping people off for dental work they really don't need or want.

CCHS77
12-07-2005, 11:04 AM
This not my fight FF, but in exactly 6,998 posts you and Lonny will have the same amount of posts. That's a goal worth shooting for!



Post counts are over rated by some.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 11:09 AM
Nothing is wrong with what you say or think. I don't even mind that you support Trinity - can't beat em - join em right ? I just wanted to make sure I wasn't dealing with a bandwagon bloke with nothing to cling to because his team is out of the playoffs. The one thing I have learned about the metroplex since moving here is it is a prideful bunch and it must suck to always be second to San Antonio - Be it highschool football ar the Spurs whooping on the Mavs - championships just seem to find there way down to San Antone.

As far as your rhetoric -- well after a while all of this or that analysis becomes kind of like liberal talking points - George Bush lied to go to war -- blah blah blah -- it just becomes vomit. The game is played on the field and all the analysis in the world won't help Trinity or Judson come Saturday. There are too many variables and immeasurables that come into play in competition with the human factor. You think you know who will win the game and so do I -- but they play the game for the reason. In other words - keep being a fan and analyzing but don't trust that those numbers will lead to a W. Trinity has played Judson once and got beat. this is the rematch with a completely new crop of kids that will play the game. The beauty of competition is that on any given day - anyone can win.

And I will second that - the ignore button works wonders - the only thing that has suffered since I put DragonsDaddy on block is the 5 cent words he looks up on his handy thesarus as he is ripping people off for dental work they really don't need or want.
Hey, I'm firmly in the Metroplex's corner when it comes to basketball. There's nobody worse than some Spurs fan's attitudes.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 11:10 AM
To hell with what the Judson poster think, bug and farmer y'all know, ur support is very much appreciated. Y'all been more loyal to Trinity than some Judson backers have been to "rocket pride." Trinity has experienced more of its share a falling short since its gained contender status, and having shared those times with those of the Trinity community as well, u have earned the right to enjoy are quest for our first state title.

dang right - to heck with all you Judson chumps - bunch of idiots who have no clue what you are talking about. What do you base your claims on ? What makes you think Judson can win ? or has any chance to win ? There is no winning tradition there - If it weren't for the 9,000 students Judson would be nothing. Pitiful team - too small - no stars - no 1,000 yard rushers - NO CHANCE - stay home.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 11:13 AM
Nothing is wrong with what you say or think. I don't even mind that you support Trinity - can't beat em - join em right ? I just wanted to make sure I wasn't dealing with a bandwagon bloke with nothing to cling to because his team is out of the playoffs. The one thing I have learned about the metroplex since moving here is it is a prideful bunch and it must suck to always be second to San Antonio - Be it highschool football ar the Spurs whooping on the Mavs - championships just seem to find there way down to San Antone.

As far as your rhetoric -- well after a while all of this or that analysis becomes kind of like liberal talking points - George Bush lied to go to war -- blah blah blah -- it just becomes vomit. The game is played on the field and all the analysis in the world won't help Trinity or Judson come Saturday. There are too many variables and immeasurables that come into play in competition with the human factor. You think you know who will win the game and so do I -- but they play the game for the reason. In other words - keep being a fan and analyzing but don't trust that those numbers will lead to a W. Trinity has played Judson once and got beat. this is the rematch with a completely new crop of kids that will play the game. The beauty of competition is that on any given day - anyone can win.

And I will second that - the ignore button works wonders - the only thing that has suffered since I put DragonsDaddy on block is the 5 cent words he looks up on his handy thesarus as he is ripping people off for dental work they really don't need or want.


It has nothing to do with can't beat em join em. Like I said, I have a lot of respect for Trinity and Coach Lineweaver. I am still a very proud Lewisville Fighting Farmer win or lose. Nothing could ever change that.
As far as SA owning Dallas. Thats funny. Judson has beat Plano and Trinity from the metroplex. They have lost to Carter, Lewisville and Duncanville. SV is 0-3 against the metroplex. SA Roosevelt beat Marcus. I think DFW is the proper owner when it comes to Dallas vs SA. Considering the records look to be 3-6.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 11:14 AM
dang right - to heck with all you Judson chumps - bunch of idiots who have no clue what you are talking about. What do you base your claims on ? What makes you think Judson can win ? or has any chance to win ? There is no winning tradition there - If it weren't for the 9,000 students Judson would be nothing. Pitiful team - too small - no stars - no 1,000 yard rushers - NO CHANCE - stay home.


so why dont you go attack the Judson posters the same way when they offer up why they think Judson will win?

implacable44
12-07-2005, 11:14 AM
Hey, I'm firmly in the Metroplex's corner when it comes to basketball. There's nobody worse than some Spurs fan's attitudes.

your dislike for the beloved Spurs lies solely in your belief that when the Spurs win the Rockets lose. You think the Spurs fans are homers - you haven't experienced Homer until you listen to the Mark Cuban run propoganda machine that is the Mavs media market and support - claiming Dirk to be the MVP of the league last year and best player - etc.. - this is homerville buddy

implacable44
12-07-2005, 11:16 AM
It has nothing to do with can't beat em join em. Like I said, I have a lot of respect for Trinity and Coach Lineweaver. I am still a very proud Lewisville Fighting Farmer win or lose. Nothing could ever change that.
As far as SA owning Dallas. Thats funny. Judson has beat Plano and Trinity from the metroplex. They have lost to Carter, Lewisville and Duncanville. SV is 0-3 against the metroplex. SA Roosevelt beat Marcus. I think DFW is the proper owner when it comes to Dallas vs SA. Considering the records look to be 3-6.


those 6 state championships at judson - most 5a titles for any one school say differently. The spurs didnt beat the mavs for the title either - but they got em - and the mavs dont.

bullrock
12-07-2005, 11:16 AM
Uh oh, better find some lower tier schools to throw in there implac. I will agree on the Spurs though. I don't care what Lonny thinks. If he didn't spend so much time on forums, he wouldn't know a lot of the Spurs fans.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 11:19 AM
so why dont you go attack the Judson posters the same way when they offer up why they think Judson will win?

who is dropping statistical analysis to support their reason why the Rockets will win ? Most of what I see is based on pure feeling. paper shows a Trinity win right ? but none of those yards or touchdowns or victories happened against Judson

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 11:23 AM
who is dropping statistical analysis to support their reason why the Rockets will win ? Most of what I see is based on pure feeling. paper shows a Trinity win right ? but none of those yards or touchdowns or victories happened against Judson

for starters your boy lonny is making fals claims such as why a team is not "well rounded" the only way to shoot that false statement down is provide him with facts and stats. Usually when you make a point you want to have some evidence to back it up. If you say such a claim without knowing the whole story then it is false. He also said Trinity turns the ball over a lot and that got shot down. He said they get off to slow starts and once again the stats and facts shot down another of his false claims.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 11:24 AM
your dislike for the beloved Spurs lies solely in your belief that when the Spurs win the Rockets lose. You think the Spurs fans are homers - you haven't experienced Homer until you listen to the Mark Cuban run propoganda machine that is the Mavs media market and support - claiming Dirk to be the MVP of the league last year and best player - etc.. - this is homerville buddy
Don't confuse what Cuban says with what the media says. I spend quite a bit of time traveling and have a good base between the sports stations in the 3 cities. I also read the papers. You can criticize players and teams in Dallas and Houston, but not SA.

bullrock
12-07-2005, 11:24 AM
Why can't Lonny lie a little bit? All the rest of us do.:cool:

lonny23
12-07-2005, 11:27 AM
Uh oh, better find some lower tier schools to throw in there implac. I will agree on the Spurs though. I don't care what Lonny thinks. If he didn't spend so much time on forums, he wouldn't know a lot of the Spurs fans.
Let me say that I've met some decent Spurs fans. The one's I see at Spurs games have been cool for the most part. I don't care for the one's on the basketball forums.

bullrock
12-07-2005, 11:28 AM
See, I told the truth for once and that was just a guess!

implacable44
12-07-2005, 11:31 AM
for starters your boy lonny is making fals claims such as why a team is not "well rounded" the only way to shoot that false statement down is provide him with facts and stats. Usually when you make a point you want to have some evidence to back it up. If you say such a claim without knowing the whole story then it is false. He also said Trinity turns the ball over a lot and that got shot down. He said they get off to slow starts and once again the stats and facts shot down another of his false claims.

hey you can use stats to fight such claims all day and that is valid but your stats to support a Trinity win are useless. there are too many instances of a team winning on paper and losing in competition for me to place any validity to that point. My feeling that Judson will win is just as valid as your statistical data that says they will win. The Human factor is too big a variable for either measurement. No way could David beat Goliath but he did -- then again no way the Spurs were going to lose last year and they didn't. Saturday will be here soon enough and we will know and like I said - should Trinity win I will applaud them -- should Judson win - I will expect recognition from all of those haters.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 11:32 AM
for starters your boy lonny is making fals claims such as why a team is not "well rounded" the only way to shoot that false statement down is provide him with facts and stats. Usually when you make a point you want to have some evidence to back it up. If you say such a claim without knowing the whole story then it is false. He also said Trinity turns the ball over a lot and that got shot down. He said they get off to slow starts and once again the stats and facts shot down another of his false claims.
I still think having 2 turnovers in 3 of the last 5 games is a lot of turnovers. It's not so much the overall numbers, but the fact that they have problems in some games. Judson makes teams turn it over and they'll get at least 2 turnovers off of Trinity this week.

Those slow starts are true, too. I wasn't talking about scoring on the first drive and was only talking about the team scoring a lot more points in the 2nd half to put games out of reach that they didn't have close to out of reach in the first half.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 11:34 AM
Don't confuse what Cuban says with what the media says. I spend quite a bit of time traveling and have a good base between the sports stations in the 3 cities. I also read the papers. You can criticize players and teams in Dallas and Houston, but not SA.

Lonny I live here -and listen to the Ticket and MIke Fisher and all the homers and it is worse than the spurs - now they might not be as bad as the message boards-- I don't frequent too many Mavs message boards -- last time I did it was because they were proclaiming Dirk to be the best player in the league - NO WAY I could let that slide. The Spurs message boards are a joke - no doubt about that. I will agree with you there. Claiming Tony Parker to be the best PG in the league and Bowen the best defender ever.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 11:42 AM
Lonny I live here -and listen to the Ticket and MIke Fisher and all the homers and it is worse than the spurs - now they might not be as bad as the message boards-- I don't frequent too many Mavs message boards -- last time I did it was because they were proclaiming Dirk to be the best player in the league - NO WAY I could let that slide. The Spurs message boards are a joke - no doubt about that. I will agree with you there. Claiming Tony Parker to be the best PG in the league and Bowen the best defender ever.
Don't even bring up Fisher! All you need to know about Fish is that dallasbasketball.com is owned by the Mavs. It's Fish's website to run and he's a huge homer for the Mavs. I must say the board is fair and we can criticize the Mavs all we want and nobody gets banned (probably because Fish is such a liberal)! Even obnoxious fans of other teams get to stick around!:D

We have some people on the board who are all Mavs, but we have a lot who aren't. You get banned on Spurs boards and crucified for saying something bad about them. I hear quite a few guys on The Ticket and ESPN who talk bad about the Mavs. The paper isn't always in their corner, either.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 11:45 AM
hey you can use stats to fight such claims all day and that is valid but your stats to support a Trinity win are useless. there are too many instances of a team winning on paper and losing in competition for me to place any validity to that point. My feeling that Judson will win is just as valid as your statistical data that says they will win. The Human factor is too big a variable for either measurement. No way could David beat Goliath but he did -- then again no way the Spurs were going to lose last year and they didn't. Saturday will be here soon enough and we will know and like I said - should Trinity win I will applaud them -- should Judson win - I will expect recognition from all of those haters.


tell me where I once said Trinity would win. I gave my reasoning to why I think they could win and are a great team. Before you add to the post with me telling Nate that great minds think alike. You need to read how I said it would be tough to hold them under 200 yards rushing, he said the same thing. That is what I was refering to. So I challenge you to show me one prediction using facts and stats to back up a claim why I think Trinity is going to beat Judson.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 11:52 AM
tell me where I once said Trinity would win. I gave my reasoning to why I think they could win and are a great team. Before you add to the post with me telling Nate that great minds think alike. You need to read how I said it would be tough to hold them under 200 yards rushing, he said the same thing. That is what I was refering to. So I challenge you to show me one prediction using facts and stats to back up a claim why I think Trinity is going to beat Judson.


well what in the world are your stats and claims for if it is not to show that Trinity will beat Judson ?

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 11:53 AM
well what in the world are your stats and claims for if it is not to show that Trinity will beat Judson ?

To counter comments by Lonny and others that claim Trinity is not a well rounded team and to those who think that running the football is the only weapon Trinity has.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 11:54 AM
Don't even bring up Fisher! All you need to know about Fish is that dallasbasketball.com is owned by the Mavs. It's Fish's website to run and he's a huge homer for the Mavs. I must say the board is fair and we can criticize the Mavs all we want and nobody gets banned (probably because Fish is such a liberal)! Even obnoxious fans of other teams get to stick around!:D

We have some people on the board who are all Mavs, but we have a lot who aren't. You get banned on Spurs boards and crucified for saying something bad about them. I hear quite a few guys on The Ticket and ESPN who talk bad about the Mavs. The paper isn't always in their corner, either.


fish is a lib - he is a skinnier micael moore / al franken idiot. He is funny though.

Like I said - I listen to those clowns and Fish bring on the professor guy who talks about how the mavs are the best team in the league and how dirk should have won mvp last year and should be the frontrunner this year and he is the best player in the league - funny they use stats -- yet the mavs never win and drik chokes in the playoffs - that darn human factor again.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 11:55 AM
To counter comments by Lonny and others that claim Trinity is not a well rounded team and to those who think that running the football is the only weapon Trinity has.

so you dont think Trinity will win ? You dont say to yourself - no way can they stop this 3,000 yard rusher - no way can they handle those huge offensive linemen ? -- no way can Judson stop us from scoring at will because we have done all these things in the past -- look at these numbers - just look at them -- you dont think that ?

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 12:01 PM
so you dont think Trinity will win ? You dont say to yourself - no way can they stop this 3,000 yard rusher - no way can they handle those huge offensive linemen ? -- no way can Judson stop us from scoring at will because we have done all these things in the past -- look at these numbers - just look at them -- you dont think that ?


From what I have seen in Trinity, they are very good, however I have not seen Judson play. Do I think Trinity can win? I don't know. I know if they play the way they are capable of playing then they are a great football team and that is enough for me. Being from the metroplex I am pulling for Trinity. Now tell me you think Judson can win, so why do you think Judson can win? I have a feelign you will say because of defense, well that is using stats isn't it? you will say what they did to Westfield, well that is using stats isn't it? you see you and Judson backers are just as guilty of using stats. Usually when you make a claim you need to back it up. When I or anyone says Trinity has a great offense you need to back up why. That is what people have done.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 12:05 PM
To counter comments by Lonny and others that claim Trinity is not a well rounded team and to those who think that running the football is the only weapon Trinity has.
I never said they couldn't pass. I knew they'd run for 4826 and passed for 1891 in a little over 115 attempts before I ever made this thread.

If you go back to read what I said it entailed them not getting points off of turnovers and other returns, not having a good punting game, having problems on extra points, not showing they have a strong kicking game, turning the ball over too much in some games, and I didn't even mention the bad penalty problems they had in some games this year. They are better now at not getting as many penalties. They really struggled with how many yards the defense gave up in some games and pass defense was real weak in some games. They also had several games where they needed real strong 2nd halfs to put games away against lesser teams.

That's why I said what I said. I didn't make the stuff up and it's true.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 12:08 PM
fish is a lib - he is a skinnier micael moore / al franken idiot. He is funny though.

Like I said - I listen to those clowns and Fish bring on the professor guy who talks about how the mavs are the best team in the league and how dirk should have won mvp last year and should be the frontrunner this year and he is the best player in the league - funny they use stats -- yet the mavs never win and drik chokes in the playoffs - that darn human factor again.
Dirk had 1 bad playoff year and most of the numbers looked good on the surface last year, too. He has traditionally been a great playoff performer.

Fish's show doesn't count for how the media treats the Mavs.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 12:13 PM
I never said they couldn't pass. I knew they'd run for 4826 and passed for 1891 in a little over 115 attempts before I ever made this thread.

If you go back to read what I said it entailed them not getting points off of turnovers and other returns, not having a good punting game, having problems on extra points, not showing they have a strong kicking game, turning the ball over too much in some games, and I didn't even mention the bad penalty problems they had in some games this year. They are better now at not getting as many penalties. They really struggled with how many yards the defense gave up in some games and pass defense was real weak in some games. They also had several games where they needed real strong 2nd halfs to put games away against lesser teams.

That's why I said what I said. I didn't make the stuff up and it's true.

They ahve averaged well over 40pts a game, they have killed teams with the pass and definitely the run. They have not needed to punt much, but when they have it has been good. They got their kicking problem situated before the playoffs started and it is actually very good. Their defense is giving up less than 300 yards a game and less than 16 pts a game. To me that is well rounded. A lot more rounded than Judson and if you deny that you need serious help. You made up how they were not well rounded. If you look at the stats and actually WATCH them play, I dont know how you could say they are not a well rounded team.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 12:15 PM
From what I have seen in Trinity, they are very good, however I have not seen Judson play. Do I think Trinity can win? I don't know. I know if they play the way they are capable of playing then they are a great football team and that is enough for me. Being from the metroplex I am pulling for Trinity. Now tell me you think Judson can win, so why do you think Judson can win? I have a feelign you will say because of defense, well that is using stats isn't it? you will say what they did to Westfield, well that is using stats isn't it? you see you and Judson backers are just as guilty of using stats. Usually when you make a claim you need to back it up. When I or anyone says Trinity has a great offense you need to back up why. That is what people have done.
You wanted to bet me that Trinity will win. What do you really think? Don't stand on the fence and play what if's. I came out and said I thought Judson would win and have given quite a few reasons in this thread. Sometimes I'm wrong and sometimes I'm right. I'll always be willing to stick my neck out there and I'll look like a genius one minute and might look llike an idiot the next. It doesn't take a genius to figure out it would be easier for me to pick these games if I was watching them, but I didn't get to do that this year. That doesn't mean I can't post my opinion on the board.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 12:22 PM
You wanted to bet me that Trinity will win. What do you really think? Don't stand on the fence and play what if's. I came out and said I thought Judson would win and have given quite a few reasons in this thread. Sometimes I'm wrong and sometimes I'm right. I'll always be willing to stick my neck out there and I'll look like a genius one minute and might look llike an idiot the next. It doesn't take a genius to figure out it would be easier for me to pick these games if I was watching them, but I didn't get to do that this year. That doesn't mean I can't post my opinion on the board.

Yeah I did bet you Trinity would win, patially because I dont know of to many teams in the state who couls stop them and partially because it would be nice to have a lonnyless board for a few days.
I could come out and say what I think, but no need to provide any bulletin board material when I am not affiliated with either team. I will say this, I want Trinity to win.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 12:22 PM
They ahve averaged well over 40pts a game, they have killed teams with the pass and definitely the run. They have not needed to punt much, but when they have it has been good. They got their kicking problem situated before the playoffs started and it is actually very good. Their defense is giving up less than 300 yards a game and less than 16 pts a game. To me that is well rounded. A lot more rounded than Judson and if you deny that you need serious help. You made up how they were not well rounded. If you look at the stats and actually WATCH them play, I dont know how you could say they are not a well rounded team.
They barely give up under 300 a game and that's not great for how much time their offense has the ball.

I've seen how far their punts go and it's not great.

They did stop having the extra point problems of late that they had early in the year.

Again, there is more to the points they've given up. You have to round down to say they've given up 16. That looks good, but you have to remember their opponents don't have the ball as much as most teams.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 12:24 PM
From what I have seen in Trinity, they are very good, however I have not seen Judson play. Do I think Trinity can win? I don't know. I know if they play the way they are capable of playing then they are a great football team and that is enough for me. Being from the metroplex I am pulling for Trinity. Now tell me you think Judson can win, so why do you think Judson can win? I have a feelign you will say because of defense, well that is using stats isn't it? you will say what they did to Westfield, well that is using stats isn't it? you see you and Judson backers are just as guilty of using stats. Usually when you make a claim you need to back it up. When I or anyone says Trinity has a great offense you need to back up why. That is what people have done.


boy you are more of an atty than i am - no i think judson will win because i believe in rocket pride and that is my alma mater and my team. I feel Judson will win because I want them to win and this team has overcome lots of obstacles -- more than most -this year. I dont care if there are 6-4 or 4-6 I FEEL they will win. No stats to support it - no analysis - just a feeling.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 12:24 PM
Yeah I did bet you Trinity would win, patially because I dont know of to many teams in the state who couls stop them and partially because it would be nice to have a lonnyless board for a few days.
I could come out and say what I think, but no need to provide any bulletin board material when I am not affiliated with either team. I will say this, I want Trinity to win.
I don't classify any of the stuff we've said this week as bulletin board material. It has been more fact-based than normal banter.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 12:26 PM
Yeah I did bet you Trinity would win, patially because I dont know of to many teams in the state who couls stop them and partially because it would be nice to have a lonnyless board for a few days.
I could come out and say what I think, but no need to provide any bulletin board material when I am not affiliated with either team. I will say this, I want Trinity to win.

oh so you do think they will win and you want them to win so your previous post in the words of the great RUN DMC - " thats a lie"

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 12:27 PM
I don't classify any of the stuff we've said this week as bulletin board material. It has been more fact-based than normal banter.

thats why I will come out and say I want Trinity to win and nothing else, it would be pointless for me to say crap such as Trinity will kill Judson or Judson has no chance to beat Trinity or Trinity is unstopable. I will simply say Go Trojans.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 12:34 PM
thats why I will come out and say I want Trinity to win and nothing else, it would be pointless for me to say crap such as Trinity will kill Judson or Judson has no chance to beat Trinity or Trinity is unstopable. I will simply say Go Trojans.
It's not pointless. It's called being a fan and having convictions. It's called standing up for what you believe in. Judson might get beat, but there's nothing wrong with me believing they'll win. I feel like I found problem areas for Trinity that Judson will expose. Even if I didn't see stuff this week, I'd still believe Judson will win just because I think it's their year. I think it's meant to be for them to win a title.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 12:35 PM
oh so you do think they will win and you want them to win so your previous post in the words of the great RUN DMC - " thats a lie"

Lie in what way. I challenge you to show me in this thread where I said Trinity is going to win. I bet lonny taking a chance on Trinity only to get rid of him for a few days. Its a gamble and if Trinity wins then there will be quite a few posters who will be glad not to have to read lonny's post. If I lose then there will be plenty of happy posters that wont have to read my post. If money was involved I would not put a bet down unless I had seen Judson and could draw a conclusion based on what I knew from both teams.
Once again how is it a lie? I want Trinity to win, I have been quite clear about that. I have yet to say that I think Trinity is going to win, based on what I know from them it is going to take a herculian effort to beat them, but we all know Judson is capable of doing that. So its not me lying its you making false aqusations.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 12:37 PM
It's not pointless. It's called being a fan and having convictions. It's called standing up for what you believe in. Judson might get beat, but there's nothing wrong with me believing they'll win. I feel like I found problem areas for Trinity that Judson will expose. Even if I didn't see stuff this week, I'd still believe Judson will win just because I think it's their year. I think it's meant to be for them to win a title.

Its called being a fan and if Lewisville was playing I would be a little more aggresive with my posting. I am not going to disrespect Trinity or its fans by giving the other team possible bulletin board material.

How could yo uhave found problem areas without seeing them play one time? that makes no sense at all.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 12:38 PM
Lie in what way. I challenge you to show me in this thread where I said Trinity is going to win. I bet lonny taking a chance on Trinity only to get rid of him for a few days. Its a gamble and if Trinity wins then there will be quite a few posters who will be glad not to have to read lonny's post. If I lose then there will be plenty of happy posters that wont have to read my post. If money was involved I would not put a bet down unless I had seen Judson and could draw a conclusion based on what I knew from both teams.
Once again how is it a lie? I want Trinity to win, I have been quite clear about that. I have yet to say that I think Trinity is going to win, based on what I know from them it is going to take a herculian effort to beat them, but we all know Judson is capable of doing that. So its not me lying its you making false aqusations.

is that what it is - you must be in lawschool or something - being that it is impossible to get inside your noggin I can only go off your outward manifestations of your will - ie comments -- with your statistical analysis - and you think trinity will win - you want trinity to win -- I dont have time to review all your posts for further evidence so I will just rely on your recent banter and comments from recent posts and I will say that a jury of your peers might find that you think Trinity is going to win - you believe such or you would not make adamant statements nor would you be willing to bet that they will win unless you thought it to be so. The reasonable man would find that you think they will win.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 12:44 PM
Its called being a fan and if Lewisville was playing I would be a little more aggresive with my posting. I am not going to disrespect Trinity or its fans by giving the other team possible bulletin board material.

How could yo uhave found problem areas without seeing them play one time? that makes no sense at all.
It doesn't take much to figure out Trinity had the ball most of the game when I see how many plays they ran and how many the other team ran. I can see how they scored and when they scored along with the other team. I also saw how many extra points they made and how good they punted. I sure can't figure everything out, but I can draw a lot of accurate conclusions without seeing one game.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 01:05 PM
It doesn't take much to figure out Trinity had the ball most of the game when I see how many plays they ran and how many the other team ran. I can see how they scored and when they scored along with the other team. I also saw how many extra points they made and how good they punted. I sure can't figure everything out, but I can draw a lot of accurate conclusions without seeing one game.

Without witnessing it live you still can't offer up accurate reasoning. Everything you have pointed to though in that above post shows that in fact they are a well rounded team. They control the clock, they move the chains while scoring a bundle of points, they throw the football well, they run it well and they play solid defense. Special teams is not bad, the few times they have had to punt they have been above average punts and they have a reliable kicker, even though he has not been called upon. However since you read the newspapers I guess it is easy to draw up your own conclusions.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 01:14 PM
is that what it is - you must be in lawschool or something - being that it is impossible to get inside your noggin I can only go off your outward manifestations of your will - ie comments -- with your statistical analysis - and you think trinity will win - you want trinity to win -- I dont have time to review all your posts for further evidence so I will just rely on your recent banter and comments from recent posts and I will say that a jury of your peers might find that you think Trinity is going to win - you believe such or you would not make adamant statements nor would you be willing to bet that they will win unless you thought it to be so. The reasonable man would find that you think they will win.


if you are going to rely on my recent banter and not look up what I said, then dont make false claims to what I have said. I will stick by with my wish to see Trinity win, if that means I think they are going to win then I know less about myself than I once thought.

TrojanHorse03
12-07-2005, 01:18 PM
I still think having 2 turnovers in 3 of the last 5 games is a lot of turnovers. It's not so much the overall numbers, but the fact that they have problems in some games. Judson makes teams turn it over and they'll get at least 2 turnovers off of Trinity this week.

Those slow starts are true, too. I wasn't talking about scoring on the first drive and was only talking about the team scoring a lot more points in the 2nd half to put games out of reach that they didn't have close to out of reach in the first half.

Lonny, u do know Trinity averages 21 points in the 1st half right.

bullrock
12-07-2005, 01:24 PM
Farmerfan, "isn't it true you haven't seen a Rocket game this year"? "Isn't it further true sir, that you have accused Lonny of having no knowlegde of the game based on not seeing one this year"? " Then I would conclude sir, that you are a hypocrite. I move to dsimiss this case Your Honor.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 01:30 PM
Lonny, u do know Trinity averages 21 points in the 1st half right.

against judson ?

implacable44
12-07-2005, 01:32 PM
if you are going to rely on my recent banter and not look up what I said, then dont make false claims to what I have said. I will stick by with my wish to see Trinity win, if that means I think they are going to win then I know less about myself than I once thought.


I am glad I could help you to know yourself better. I only need your recent banter for evidence. You stated you would be willing to bet. I don't know of any reaosnable person that would be willing to place a beat team a will beat team b unless he actually thought that team a would win.

TrojanHorse03
12-07-2005, 01:33 PM
if you are going to rely on my recent banter and not look up what I said, then dont make false claims to what I have said. I will stick by with my wish to see Trinity win, if that means I think they are going to win then I know less about myself than I once thought.

Hey don't sweat it, Famerfan :cool:, their apart of Lonny that still surprised that a team that he fired is still a live and kicking, a team he even at one point laid on the alter for Westfield:


Hey Lonny..Look what I found..I'll be cool about this one and wont call u out, but you know who u are..This is your post......LOL

Hey JRocketMan, I was at the game last week, please look at the stats of the QB running the football and please tell me what kind of yardage he piled up. I am sorry as true fans that you cannot accept that this team is not and I repeat is not as good as last years team end of story, Westfield is much better than the team we played last year. This will be a rout, count on it. It does not mean I am not loyal, it just means that I see the different between average and very good. I had predicted the score as 40-18, I have now change my mind WF 55- Judson 10. A true fan like it or not will always tell you when someone is better, I could say on here o how Judson will smash them and run over them, it would be a big lie. If Judson was given 2 months to prepare the outcome would be the same.

See invidually we might be as good, but as a team, were much, much better than last year... LOL

C'mon with Lonny don't feel compelled to back up ur claims with facts, I know thats seem logical in typical discusscions. Him and implacable method is simply to provide nothing behind their claims and then attack u when u do. You don't need to throw any bold claims, cuz the Trinity fans our confident enough in the boys do get it done. especially when there not going to provide any logical rasonings for theirs.

TrojanHorse03
12-07-2005, 01:35 PM
I find it quite funny that Lonny the leader of Rocket Nation is a fraud, no way around it! So just brush that dirt of ur shoulder farmerfan should they call u one!

bullrock
12-07-2005, 01:36 PM
Can I give my reasons, Your Honor?

TrojanHorse03
12-07-2005, 01:37 PM
I rest my case, B-ZZATCHES!

TrojanHorse03
12-07-2005, 01:38 PM
NO FARMERFAN, is here by found INNOCENT :cool: !

bullrock
12-07-2005, 01:41 PM
I declare a mistrial!!!! The jury was rigged!

TrojanHorse03
12-07-2005, 01:42 PM
Lol

TrojanHorse03
12-07-2005, 01:43 PM
I'm judge, jury, and executioner :cool: .

TrojanHorse03
12-07-2005, 01:44 PM
My verdict is Lonny is here by FIRED from acting like he knows everything :cool: .

implacable44
12-07-2005, 01:45 PM
Hey don't sweat it, Famerfan :cool:, their apart of Lonny that still surprised that a team that he fired is still a live and kicking, a team he even at one point laid on the alter for Westfield:



C'mon with Lonny don't feel compelled to back up ur claims with facts, I know thats seem logical in typical discusscions. Him and implacable method is simply to provide nothing behind their claims and then attack u when u do. You don't need to throw any bold claims, cuz the Trinity fans our confident enough in the boys do get it done. especially when there not going to provide any logical rasonings for theirs.


Hey LiteracyTojan - I repeat all your stats and analysis mean absolutely nothing come kick-0ff time. It is fun to drop stats and say look this is the best team or RB of all time because he has done this and that or our team is undefeated -- all that means nothing when you line up against the next new opponent. You think because Trinity averages 21 points in this or that quarter and nance has 3,000 yards that Trinity will win. I bet the Rams thought they were going to win the superbowl against the PATS a few years ago when they had the greatest show on turf. Lord knows the Lakers had that title locked up when they had Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton and the gang -- but then it was game time and all those stats and points and yard and previous accomplishments meant absolutely nothing.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 01:46 PM
My verdict is Lonny is here by FIRED from acting like he knows everything :cool: .

well since you were neither appointed or elected your verdict means about as much as those 3,000 yards -- nothing.

TrojanHorse03
12-07-2005, 01:50 PM
Hey LiteracyTojan - I repeat all your stats and analysis mean absolutely nothing come kick-0ff time. It is fun to drop stats and say look this is the best team or RB of all time because he has done this and that or our team is undefeated -- all that means nothing when you line up against the next new opponent. You think because Trinity averages 21 points in this or that quarter and nance has 3,000 yards that Trinity will win. I bet the Rams thought they were going to win the superbowl against the PATS a few years ago when they had the greatest show on turf. Lord knows the Lakers had that title locked up when they had Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton and the gang -- but then it was game time and all those stats and points and yard and previous accomplishments meant absolutely nothing.

Nice try Lonny Jr., but u sux too. Ur not slick AT ALL for the most part the Trinity fans have simply the stats to clear up Lonny's misinformation not to proclaim Trinity as a lock to destroy Judson:


I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.

I hereby judge Lonny Implacable 23 Jr.'s case DISMISSED!

bullrock
12-07-2005, 01:53 PM
The court fines you 2 points Implac for contempt of court. "You can't talk to the judge that way. Have this man put in shackles bailiff".

TrojanHorse03
12-07-2005, 01:55 PM
I found its more fun to use people's own post against them. As they said in business school, people have a hard time arguing with themselves. :D .

implacable44
12-07-2005, 01:57 PM
Nice try Lonny Jr., but u sux too. Ur not slick AT ALL for the most part the Trinity fans have simply the stats to clear up Lonny's misinformation not to proclaim Trinity as a lock to destroy Judson:



I hereby judge Lonny Implacable 23 Jr.'s case DISMISSED!

oh no HakaLiterate03 - Trinty faithful have been proclaiming their dominance with yards and W's and point spreads as to why they will beat Judson -- I cite you for contempt and recommend you be disbarred - -- have a nice day and enjoy the show on Saturday -. We got the Sun on our side !

implacable44
12-07-2005, 01:58 PM
I found its more fun to use people's own post against them. As they said in business school, people have a hard time arguing with themselves. :D .

business school ? stop playing 03 - you don't have to lie to kick it.

implacable44
12-07-2005, 02:00 PM
The court fines you 2 points Implac for contempt of court. "You can't talk to the judge that way. Have this man put in shackles bailiff".


Benedict er Bullrock - I find you guilty of treason - and sentence you to a public stoning - off topic - did anybody watch that show sleeper cell ?

bullrock
12-07-2005, 02:15 PM
I'm kinda bored. And this is the only time I've tried to get some numbers in this year.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 02:59 PM
Farmerfan, "isn't it true you haven't seen a Rocket game this year"? "Isn't it further true sir, that you have accused Lonny of having no knowlegde of the game based on not seeing one this year"? " Then I would conclude sir, that you are a hypocrite. I move to dsimiss this case Your Honor.

yes it is true I have not seen a Judson game this year. May I ask you why this is brought up. If I can remember correctly, I stated that was a reason why I said I cant say that Trinity will win. I have never said Trinity will win, I have simply stated I would like for them to win. So if saying me wanting Trinity to win is the same as saying they are going to win then I'm confused. Please inform me on what you are getting at.

farmerfan
12-07-2005, 03:10 PM
oh no HakaLiterate03 - Trinty faithful have been proclaiming their dominance with yards and W's and point spreads as to why they will beat Judson -- I cite you for contempt and recommend you be disbarred - -- have a nice day and enjoy the show on Saturday -. We got the Sun on our side !


just like past state championships wont get you a win this week either. that is another thing you have been claiming as well as a past win. what happend in 92 wont get you a victory in 2005.
trojan03, may I reccomend this case be dismissed on some basis that they are accusing others of the same thing he himself has done.

bullrock
12-07-2005, 03:29 PM
Goin' no where with it. Just a little humor. I think Judson will win because that's who I want to win. Nothing against you, the ET fans, school or team. Just my wish. I have been accused of being a pansy so to hold true to this accusation, I sure hope you get what you want this Saturday. good luck.

Texas-Raised
12-07-2005, 05:21 PM
Katy and SV will be a classic powerhouse, smashmouth game again but i predict a different outcome because the loss katy almost had last weekend made them a much stronger team and will pull them together



katy- 30
SV- 21

lonny23
12-07-2005, 09:25 PM
Lonny, u do know Trinity averages 21 points in the 1st half right.
How many times do I have to say it? I said Trinity starts slow in some games. I'm tearing all you guys up because you know I'm right on every last thing I say. The only thing I did wrong was say they had more than 11 turnovers, but I went and checked and changed my statement before I read where you guys confirmed it. You try to twist what I say to make a point in your favor that's true. Several of you guys are playing politics by trying to discredit me without actually responding to what I said.

I know you have 11 turnovers and I also know you have 3 or 4 games where you had 2.

I've seen the games where your punter punted once and it went 16 or 23 yards.

You know you missed a lot of extra points early in the year.

You know there were games when you gave up 400 yards on defense and over 300 yards passing or 200 yards rushing. They all came in games when you had the ball for a lot of the game. You gave up quite a few big plays for TD's.

You know you had games where you had 10 or more penalties and others with 1 or 2.

You're going to have more turnovers than normal, score less and have less yards than normal, and give up equal or more yards than average on defense.

If the special teams were that great, I would've seen you guys get TD's off of returns. I think your defense got 1 TD off of a return this year.

Judson is a more complete team and will win.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 09:32 PM
Farmerfan, "isn't it true you haven't seen a Rocket game this year"? "Isn't it further true sir, that you have accused Lonny of having no knowlegde of the game based on not seeing one this year"? " Then I would conclude sir, that you are a hypocrite. I move to dsimiss this case Your Honor.
The big thing here is that he has a beef with me. I'm not going to call him names or resort to childish behavior because of what he says. I will defend what I've said and mention when somebody is trying to twist what I've said. I said one thing wrong and corrected it before I read some of the other guys confirming it. The Trinity backers have made several wrong statements and have twisted my words to try to discredit me. They can't respond to what I've said because they know I'm right. I said the stuff because I looked everything up before I ever made this thread. Everything I've said has been true and the stats show it to any reasonable person.

btrain38
12-07-2005, 09:45 PM
just like past state championships wont get you a win this week either. that is another thing you have been claiming as well as a past win. what happend in 92 wont get you a victory in 2005.
trojan03, may I reccomend this case be dismissed on some basis that they are accusing others of the same thing he himself has done.
GREAT JOB FARMER
I think ET will win also,because I want them to win
SLC will win.
Katy will win.
This is my picks.

lonny23
12-07-2005, 09:45 PM
Hey don't sweat it, Famerfan :cool:, their apart of Lonny that still surprised that a team that he fired is still a live and kicking, a team he even at one point laid on the alter for Westfield:



C'mon with Lonny don't feel compelled to back up ur claims with facts, I know thats seem logical in typical discusscions. Him and implacable method is simply to provide nothing behind their claims and then attack u when u do. You don't need to throw any bold claims, cuz the Trinity fans our confident enough in the boys do get it done. especially when there not going to provide any logical rasonings for theirs.
Jrocket was telling me something. He was not saying that I said that. Another Judson fan said it and I don't think he was serious. Some Judson fans were poor-mouthing the team all week. I said all week that we were going to win. The Judson fans know that's true.

Like I said before, it's all true. I'm posting the boxscores and everybody can see for themselves.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64645.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64646.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64644.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64564.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64647.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64648.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64649.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64650.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64651.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64652.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-76858.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-77779.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-78336.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-78673.html

lonny23
12-07-2005, 09:52 PM
I find it quite funny that Lonny the leader of Rocket Nation is a fraud, no way around it! So just brush that dirt of ur shoulder farmerfan should they call u one!
You crossed the line on that one. I only stated the truth and you can see it in the boxscores.

farmerfan
12-08-2005, 02:56 AM
Jrocket was telling me something. He was not saying that I said that. Another Judson fan said it and I don't think he was serious. Some Judson fans were poor-mouthing the team all week. I said all week that we were going to win. The Judson fans know that's true.

Like I said before, it's all true. I'm posting the boxscores and everybody can see for themselves.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64645.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64646.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64644.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64564.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64647.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64648.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64649.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64650.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64651.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-64652.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-76858.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-77779.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-78336.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/leaderboard/football/2005/sums/HSFB-sum-78673.html

Since you want to post stats, you do realize they have only punted 3x in the entire playoffs for a average of 38 yards a punt. Not bad for a team who punted on average of less than 1x a game in the regular season when their first team offense was in the game.

farmerfan
12-08-2005, 03:17 AM
How many times do I have to say it? I said Trinity starts slow in some games. I'm tearing all you guys up because you know I'm right on every last thing I say. The only thing I did wrong was say they had more than 11 turnovers, but I went and checked and changed my statement before I read where you guys confirmed it. You try to twist what I say to make a point in your favor that's true. Several of you guys are playing politics by trying to discredit me without actually responding to what I said.

I know you have 11 turnovers and I also know you have 3 or 4 games where you had 2.

I've seen the games where your punter punted once and it went 16 or 23 yards.

You know you missed a lot of extra points early in the year.

You know there were games when you gave up 400 yards on defense and over 300 yards passing or 200 yards rushing. They all came in games when you had the ball for a lot of the game. You gave up quite a few big plays for TD's.

You know you had games where you had 10 or more penalties and others with 1 or 2.

You're going to have more turnovers than normal, score less and have less yards than normal, and give up equal or more yards than average on defense.

If the special teams were that great, I would've seen you guys get TD's off of returns. I think your defense got 1 TD off of a return this year.

Judson is a more complete team and will win.

So tell me how exactly is averging 28 in the 1st half is a slow start?

In the playoffs they are averaging 23 pts in the first half. I guess if that is a slow start; you are spoiled by that dynamic offense they are running in post-day Russia.

farmerfan
12-08-2005, 03:26 AM
The big thing here is that he has a beef with me. I'm not going to call him names or resort to childish behavior because of what he says. I will defend what I've said and mention when somebody is trying to twist what I've said. I said one thing wrong and corrected it before I read some of the other guys confirming it. The Trinity backers have made several wrong statements and have twisted my words to try to discredit me. They can't respond to what I've said because they know I'm right. I said the stuff because I looked everything up before I ever made this thread. Everything I've said has been true and the stats show it to any reasonable person.


And I have not resorted into childish behavior or called you names. All I have simply done is challenge you on your so called beliefes. I exposed the fact that you are not credible because you have not seen either team play this year therefore it is hard to make a judgement. You go on stats, however those are inflated, Trinity has had the majority of its punts come in the 2nd half when the second or thrid team is in the game, howver you attempt to use thgat against tehm. You also fail to recognize the fact that Trinity not only has more rushing yards than Judson but they also have more passing yards. They have also scored almost twice as many points. Yet you still claim them to not be as well rounded a team as Judson even thouth their defense is giving up roughly 2 more points than that vaunted 4 loss Judson team. I find it hard to believe someones analysis when they have yet to see a certain team play. Trust me Trinity could have rushed for over 600 yards in about 5-6 of the games they have played this year, however like Coach Lineweaver does not believe in that. Nance could also have over 3500 yards and Handy over 2000 but they are usually not as productive in the 2nd half offense as they would be if it was a close game.


As to implacable
you say none of the yards have come against Judson. Well thank you captain obvious, however Judson as not stopped a team as potent as this offense as you will face this week. So for you to say those yards dont mean anything, then your rushing defense means nothing considering they have yet to face a team like Trinity.

farmerfan
12-08-2005, 03:28 AM
You crossed the line on that one. I only stated the truth and you can see it in the boxscores.


gee, now that the tide is turned look who has thin skin. lonny didn't think twice about insulting fans or teams a year ago but now he is getting his feelings hurt. poor lonny.

TrojanHorse03
12-08-2005, 03:41 AM
How many times do I have to say it? I said Trinity starts slow in some games. I'm tearing all you guys up because you know I'm right on every last thing I say. The only thing I did wrong was say they had more than 11 turnovers, but I went and checked and changed my statement before I read where you guys confirmed it. You try to twist what I say to make a point in your favor that's true. Several of you guys are playing politics by trying to discredit me without actually responding to what I said.

I know you have 11 turnovers and I also know you have 3 or 4 games where you had 2.

I've seen the games where your punter punted once and it went 16 or 23 yards.

You know you missed a lot of extra points early in the year.

You know there were games when you gave up 400 yards on defense and over 300 yards passing or 200 yards rushing. They all came in games when you had the ball for a lot of the game. You gave up quite a few big plays for TD's.
You know you had games where you had 10 or more penalties and others with 1 or 2.

You're going to have more turnovers than normal, score less and have less yards than normal, and give up equal or more yards than average on defense.

If the special teams were that great, I would've seen you guys get TD's off of returns. I think your defense got 1 TD off of a return this year.

Judson is a more complete team and will win.

1) Is an average of 21 points in the first half slow :confused: , Judson averages 26 points over the course of an entire game.
2)Good one, Lonny. Trinity averages less than 1 turnover game. If Judson has less, holla!
3)Currently our kicker has made 43 straight extra point, also in the paper.
4)Defense gave up 400 yds 3 times. To Midland Lee win the starters left when the score was 63-20 in the 3rd quarter, it ended up being 63-34 go figure :D . And the other 2 times were vs. 2 9-1 teams. Not that it matters Judson averages less than 300 yds a game. And vs quality opponents(SV,Wf,Madison, Churchill:confused: ) Judson averages only 14 points a game, including a shutout and had only 1 touchdown in at least 2 ballgames. Vs the likes of MacArthur, SGP, AMC, Trinity has not been held under 28 points all year.
5)1 time the defense gave up 300 yds passing while collecting 3 picks, again Judson averages 63 yards passing a game.

Trinity might turn that ball over once which would be more than usual :D. Have less yards about 350 from their average of 482. Score less, 28 from an average of 45. Allow 286 yards(Trinity's yapg, and Judson's ypg) and 14 points around how much Trinity's been giving up in the playoffs to better offenses and how much Judson scores in big games. Judson complete, I don't know about that, the clearly have exploitable weakness as they were taken adavantage of 4 times, Westfield Qb stays in the game were probably talking 5 considering how close the ball game still was. Honestly I'm not a stat person myself, none of them really mean squat, but I can play this game if u feel like losing some more :D .

lonny23
12-08-2005, 07:04 AM
Since you want to post stats, you do realize they have only punted 3x in the entire playoffs for a average of 38 yards a punt. Not bad for a team who punted on average of less than 1x a game in the regular season when their first team offense was in the game.
I'm aware they haven't had to punt much, but they don't have a good punting game for when they'll need to punt this week. Hey, it's all projections. I'm seeing what the teams are good and bad at and match that up with how I think they'll play. If you read all my posts on this game, I'm just running the scenarios and that's why I picked Judson to win 24-7.

lonny23
12-08-2005, 07:07 AM
So tell me how exactly is averging 28 in the 1st half is a slow start?

In the playoffs they are averaging 23 pts in the first half. I guess if that is a slow start; you are spoiled by that dynamic offense they are running in post-day Russia.
There were games this year it appears they didn't come out with fire that they sometimes caught in the second half. The significance to me is that PantherFan70 says the only way to beat Judson is to beat them early and match their energy. ET does not always come out with fire. Yes, they had great first halfs in plenty of games, but they weren't consistent doing it.

lonny23
12-08-2005, 07:20 AM
And I have not resorted into childish behavior or called you names. All I have simply done is challenge you on your so called beliefes. I exposed the fact that you are not credible because you have not seen either team play this year therefore it is hard to make a judgement. You go on stats, however those are inflated, Trinity has had the majority of its punts come in the 2nd half when the second or thrid team is in the game, howver you attempt to use thgat against tehm. You also fail to recognize the fact that Trinity not only has more rushing yards than Judson but they also have more passing yards. They have also scored almost twice as many points. Yet you still claim them to not be as well rounded a team as Judson even thouth their defense is giving up roughly 2 more points than that vaunted 4 loss Judson team. I find it hard to believe someones analysis when they have yet to see a certain team play. Trust me Trinity could have rushed for over 600 yards in about 5-6 of the games they have played this year, however like Coach Lineweaver does not believe in that. Nance could also have over 3500 yards and Handy over 2000 but they are usually not as productive in the 2nd half offense as they would be if it was a close game.


As to implacable
you say none of the yards have come against Judson. Well thank you captain obvious, however Judson as not stopped a team as potent as this offense as you will face this week. So for you to say those yards dont mean anything, then your rushing defense means nothing considering they have yet to face a team like Trinity.
I don't care when they punted. They didn't use a backup punter did they? I assume the starting punter is the guy who can't kick very well. He'll get more practice this week and might kick better.

Oh, let's talk about backups. Trinity got 4800 yards rushing this year and 4200 of them came from the 2 RB's and the QB. Backups have 103 running plays in 14 games and you know some of those carries weren't in garbage time. Trinity also had their backup QB throw 3 passes. 106 plays for all backups tells me that Trinity left their starters in the game to score more points all year.

lonny23
12-08-2005, 07:21 AM
gee, now that the tide is turned look who has thin skin. lonny didn't think twice about insulting fans or teams a year ago but now he is getting his feelings hurt. poor lonny.
I said things about teams. I've never said stuff like that about fans.

farmerfan
12-08-2005, 12:47 PM
There were games this year it appears they didn't come out with fire that they sometimes caught in the second half. The significance to me is that PantherFan70 says the only way to beat Judson is to beat them early and match their energy. ET does not always come out with fire. Yes, they had great first halfs in plenty of games, but they weren't consistent doing it.


Once again how the heck can you tell if htey came out with fire? for crying out loud you have been in freaking Asia all year and you are goping to come out and say "there have been games this year where it appears they didn't come out with fire", well how the heck would you know? There was a total of 3x all year where they were held under 20 pts in the first half. In those games they still had 17,14 and 7 last week. Last week when that "lack of fire" came out and only scored 7 that horrible defense they have allowed 3 in the first half. But I guess that is not well rounded enough when the defense actuallys steps up.
Also when you scopre 20+pts in the 1st half in 11 out of 14 games I guess that means you lack fire, maybe those high schools in Asia you have been watching all year have better offenses than Trinity or anyone else. :rolleyes:
So tell me again how scoring 20+ in the 1st half in 11 of 14 games is inconsistent? especially if you take the other 3 where they didnt score 20 they are still averging 13 pts per game in the 1st half roughly half of what Judson averages per game.

farmerfan
12-08-2005, 12:49 PM
I said things about teams. I've never said stuff like that about fans.

To bad we dont have the old post to go look at, I remember plenty of people calling you a *** hole due to your banter towards them.

farmerfan
12-08-2005, 12:51 PM
I'm aware they haven't had to punt much, but they don't have a good punting game for when they'll need to punt this week. Hey, it's all projections. I'm seeing what the teams are good and bad at and match that up with how I think they'll play. If you read all my posts on this game, I'm just running the scenarios and that's why I picked Judson to win 24-7.

In the playoffs he is averging 38 yards per punt, hell what do you want, a all pro punter.]? In comparison how much does the Judson punter average?

farmerfan
12-08-2005, 01:05 PM
I don't care when they punted. They didn't use a backup punter did they? I assume the starting punter is the guy who can't kick very well. He'll get more practice this week and might kick better.

Oh, let's talk about backups. Trinity got 4800 yards rushing this year and 4200 of them came from the 2 RB's and the QB. Backups have 103 running plays in 14 games and you know some of those carries weren't in garbage time. Trinity also had their backup QB throw 3 passes. 106 plays for all backups tells me that Trinity left their starters in the game to score more points all year.

Out of those 14 games, there were 4 where it was rather close so the backups were not needed. So in 10 games, they are averging over 10 running plays with their backups in. Im agine Nance with 50 more carries this year and what his damage would be. To me that is a lot of quality time with the back ups in considering that on average the typical SL backup QB roughly throws the footall less than 50x in a single year.

farmerfan
12-08-2005, 01:06 PM
[QUOTE=lonny23]I don't care when they punted. They didn't use a backup punter did they? I assume the starting punter is the guy who can't kick very well. He'll get more practice this week and might kick better.

Oh, let's talk about backups. Trinity got 4800 yards rushing this year and 4200 of them came from the 2 RB's and the QB. Backups have 103 running plays in 14 games and you know some of those carries weren't in garbage time. Trinity also had their backup QB throw 3 passes. 106 plays for all backups tells me that Trinity left their starters in the game to score more points all year.[/QUOTEs]

sorry double post

TrojanHorse03
12-08-2005, 03:38 PM
There were games this year it appears they didn't come out with fire that they sometimes caught in the second half. The significance to me is that PantherFan70 says the only way to beat Judson is to beat them early and match their energy. ET does not always come out with fire. Yes, they had great first halfs in plenty of games, but they weren't consistent doing it.

See here a PERFECT EXAMPLE of why u not seeing Trinity, and having to rely on speculation hurts u. Most games this year we already one the game in THE FIRST HALF. Not fired up in the first half, its a shame ur not going to see the haka right before kickoff, our fans wanting blood, and our team knowing its going to score on that first drive, the energy is eletric. Oh yeah by the way Trinity averages THREE TOUCHDOWNS in the FIRST HALF, Judson a lil more then 3 in the ENTIRE GAME(26ppg). THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

TrojanHorse03
12-08-2005, 03:48 PM
I don't care when they punted. They didn't use a backup punter did they? I assume the starting punter is the guy who can't kick very well. He'll get more practice this week and might kick better.

Oh, let's talk about backups. Trinity got 4800 yards rushing this year and 4200 of them came from the 2 RB's and the QB. Backups have 103 running plays in 14 games and you know some of those carries weren't in garbage time. Trinity also had their backup QB throw 3 passes. 106 plays for all backups tells me that Trinity left their starters in the game to score more points all year.

This is one of your most incorrect statements to date. But seeing as you haven't seen Trinity u couldnt' possibly of known. See this team is very blessed. First of all Dimitri is one of the best conditioned athletes in the state. But if that wasn't enough when ever he should need a breather we actually line up 1100 yds rusher Laderrick Handy at running back, and put the backup fullback Tim Pannell in. Laderrick actually has had some of his biggest plays lined up at running back. By the way the snaps the back runnng backs had were ALL in garbage time. One of our backup running back is a starting defensive end. There's been 8 games this year where the starters LEFT AT THE START of the 3rd quarter and our back up QB only has 3 PASSES IN 14 GAMES(and a million handoffs), so WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU,hmmmm?????

JRocketMan
12-08-2005, 05:11 PM
This is one of your most incorrect statements to date. But seeing as you haven't seen Trinity u couldnt' possibly of none. See this team is very blessed. First of all Dimitri is one of the best conditioned athletes in the state. But if that wasn't enough when ever he should need a breather we actually line up 1100 yds rusher Laderrick Handy at running back, and put the backup fullback Tim Pannell in. Laderrick actually has had some of his biggest plays lined up at running back. By the way the snaps the back runnng back had were ALL in garbage time. One of our backup running back is a starting defensive end. There's been 8 games this year where the starters left at the start of the 3rd quarter and our back up QB only has 3 passes, so WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU,hmmmm?????

That u guys are the best..Two Thumbs up...

lonny23
12-08-2005, 08:22 PM
To bad we dont have the old post to go look at, I remember plenty of people calling you a *** hole due to your banter towards them.
Yes, people said stuff along those lines and it was because I said their team would lose or had too many holes to win state.

lonny23
12-08-2005, 08:30 PM
This is one of your most incorrect statements to date. But seeing as you haven't seen Trinity u couldnt' possibly of none. See this team is very blessed. First of all Dimitri is one of the best conditioned athletes in the state. But if that wasn't enough when ever he should need a breather we actually line up 1100 yds rusher Laderrick Handy at running back, and put the backup fullback Tim Pannell in. Laderrick actually has had some of his biggest plays lined up at running back. By the way the snaps the back runnng back had were ALL in garbage time. One of our backup running back is a starting defensive end. There's been 8 games this year where the starters left at the start of the 3rd quarter and our back up QB only has 3 passes, so WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU,hmmmm?????
The amount of carries that backup players have tells me one of 2 things and I'm pretty sure it's the former and not the latter.

I said backup type players have a little over 100 carries and they've gotten like 600 yards this year.

Either Trinity leaves their starting players in the game too long or they have an offense that can't move the ball and don't really have the ball much in the 2nd half. Since you're getting close to 6 yards a carry with backups, it sounds like they've played 2 or 3 series max in any game.

I can't argue that backups have played on defense or come into the game as a blocking back and not get credited for a carry. I only said running plays, not how many plays the backups were on the field. The point was the starters played too much.